Friday, 2012-02-17

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sonachStskeeps: I have a few problems about MDS.01:50
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sonachStskeeps: (1) after I do "cd release-tools; make", I confirm that download is success. but I can not see any source code(.c, .cpp files) or any binaries(.Mer.rpm files).01:51
sonachStskeeps: (2) after I do "python tools/fakeobs.py 8001 &" in my local server(with IP 192.168.129.140). I can not access "http://192.168.129.140:8001" from my desktop(with IP 192.168.129.16).01:52
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sonachStskeeps: the error(Error Code 404) for accessing "http://192.168.129.140:8001" is http://pastie.org/3398545.01:56
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.wirelessmodemapi.com02:02
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if ofono is still alive, and if so then why nobody noticed the ISI API site being down since weeks now (at least that's what it seems to me)02:04
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sonach_Stskeeps: Maybe no "git clone" was executed for source code and binaries? I only see "git clone http://review.merproject.org/p/mer/project-core obs-projects/Core". See http://pastie.org/3399127 for detail.04:33
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Stskeepssonach_: just woke up, will look in 15 minutes06:00
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: morning06:01
Stskeepsmorn ZiQiangHuan06:03
araujomorning Stskeeps06:05
timophmorning *06:06
sonachStskeeps: ok, thanks for your time:)06:10
Stskeepssonach: what URL did you follow for MDS instructions again?06:11
sonachhttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_Delivery_System06:12
Stskeepsah, so, ok, try curl http://192.168.129.140:8001/public/source/Core:i58606:13
Stskeepsdoes this return XML?06:13
sonachreturns nothing,06:14
Stskeepshmm06:14
Stskeepshang on, might just be sleepy :)06:15
sonachtake a coffee:)06:15
Stskeepscan you tell me what error comes from the python tools/fakeobs.py 8001 process?06:15
Stskeepsit should print a log06:15
sonachwhere is the log?06:16
Stskeepsit should be in the terminal06:16
Stskeepsie, printing it as you access fakeobs server06:17
sonachmaybe nothing. I try this again,06:17
Stskeepsok06:17
Stskeepscheck that it's running with ps aux06:18
sonachthis time it reports error: http://pastie.org/339944306:19
Stskeepsokay, so it's running06:19
Stskeepstry find it in ps aux and kill -9 it06:19
sonachyes,06:19
Stskeepsthen python fakeobs.py 800106:19
Stskeepswithout &06:19
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sonachI did "python fakeobs.py 8001" , nothing prints out,m06:21
Stskeepsthen open another terminal and curl http://192.168.129.140:8001/public/source/Core:i58606:21
sonacherror: http://pastie.org/339945706:23
Stskeepsah, that helps06:23
Stskeepsah..06:23
Stskeepskill fakeobs06:23
Stskeepsthen cd ..06:24
Stskeepsthen python tools/fakeobs.py 800106:24
sonach...i see,06:24
Stskeepsyes, it matters what directory it's in :)06:24
Stskeepswe're sadly not done after this to be able to build against it, but at least we can test basics work06:25
Stskeepsnow test http://192.168.129.140:8001/public/source/Core:i58606:26
sonachit returns XML06:26
Stskeepsgood :)06:26
sonachso it is ready to build something against the fakeobs?06:26
Stskeepsno, sadly not, the wiki test is wrong, the .rpms are first there when run 'make update'06:27
Stskeepstest=text06:27
sonachso, i should run "make update"?06:27
Stskeepsyes06:27
Stskeepsif you're wondering about the source code, if you have git installed, you can do for example, git clone packages-git/mer-core/bash bash-checkout06:28
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Stskeepsthen in bash-checkout/ you have the tar.gz and .spec packaging06:28
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sonachbut "bash" directory is already there:06:30
sonachlinux-ubai:/home/tvos/Mer/mer-release-tools/release-tools/packages-git/mer-core/bash # ls06:30
sonachHEAD  branches  config  description  hooks  info  objects  packed-refs  refs06:30
Stskeepsyes06:30
Stskeepsthat's a git repository06:30
Stskeepsso you have to check it out06:30
StskeepsMDS uses the git repositories to give you full packages and history of them too06:30
sonachhmm, I have to check out every package by hand?06:30
Stskeepsonly if you want to look at them, in your OBS eventually you can also check them out directly within OBS06:31
Stskeepsjust answering since you asked where .c and .tar.gz is06:31
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Stskeepsand they're inside those git repositories06:32
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sonachIf I want to check out several source packages, it there any convinient way to do this?06:32
Stskeepsit will be more convinient when we have your OBS connected to fakeobs06:33
sonachOr how to understande "in your OBS eventually you can also check them out directly within OBS"?06:33
Stskeepsthen you can just osc checkout Mer.MDS:Core:i586 packagename06:33
Stskeepsfor example06:33
sonachah, using osc?06:33
Stskeepsfor example06:34
Stskeepsbut anyway, let's first get ability to build against mer working before we dive into deeper details, as you can see there is a lot of capability and opportunity :)06:35
sonachoh, the source codes are there, if I do checkout I can see it. right?06:36
Stskeepsyes06:36
StskeepsMDS delivers binaries and source codes to your OBS06:36
Stskeepssome things are a little difficult to understand at first but they're there in order for us to make it easier to accomplish some bigger things in the future06:36
sonachah, i see06:36
Stskeepswhich makes life easier for typical things a vendor needs to do06:36
sonachso, Now I can build my source code against my MDS, is that right?06:37
sonachI will test qtmediahub first:)06:37
Stskeepsyou need to wait for make update to finish first :)06:38
Stskeepsand i'm not sure if you did 'Add the MDS project as a remote link' yet06:38
sonachnot yet,06:39
Stskeepsok06:39
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sonachso, first I should make update, second "add the mds project as a remote link', after that, do osc stuff for building, is that right?06:41
Stskeepsyes06:41
Stskeepswith some tests along the way, such as checking out a package from mds06:41
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sonachis "cd obs-projects/Core; git pull" in Makefile downloads rpm binaries?06:42
sonachStskeeps: but when doing "make", "git clone $(GIT_URL) obs-projects/Core" was already done. why should do "git pull"?06:44
Stskeepssonach: to pick up new changes from mer06:44
sonachah, you add something into MDS these days?06:44
Stskeepsyes, in fact there's a small problem regarding that but we'll get to that later06:44
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sonachit doesn't matter:)06:45
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Stskeepsyou might have to, after 'make update' to go into obs-project/Core and do 'git checkout db08d70258b5a53689fcee3d3deb94926015ff26'06:46
Stskeepsas to get the right version of core06:46
sonachOK,06:48
sonachStskeeps: can I edit the wiki page to add some comments?06:49
sonachOr lbt will update the wiki page later?06:50
Stskeepsyes, go ahead06:50
sonachcool:)06:50
Stskeepsif you see anything that's wrong on a wiki, it's okay to edit :)06:51
Stskeepsit's a collaborative document06:51
sonachi see:)06:51
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sonachStskeeps: Now, when doing osc stuff, I can use my Ubuntu desktop or Mer's platform SDK. which will you recommend?08:24
Stskeepssonach: i would recommend mer's platform sdk osc as i know it's updated always to match with mer things08:24
sonachsince I have installed it, how to update then?08:25
Stskeepszypper ref, zypper up08:25
Stskeepsthere's no changes to it at the moment though08:26
sonachok. and If a server is used for development. several users, for example,user1,user2 and user3 are using platform SDK seperately(with seperate mer-sdk directory). Is there any problem?08:28
Stskeepssonach: shouldn't be08:28
Stskeepsphaeron: ping08:28
sonachok08:28
Stskeepssonach: well, except that all need root access too, but ..08:29
Stskeepsphaeron: could you make Mer:OBS:Testing 'build' be the one in :Devel?08:29
sonachStskeeps: yes,  this is the point,08:29
sonachStskeeps: all users need root access, which means it is NOT a suitable way, isn't it?08:30
Stskeepsthat is true, yes08:30
Stskeepsbut you also need root to run 'mic'08:30
sonachthe most suitable way is, every developer has his own development machine or VM to do all the stuff,08:31
Stskeepsyes08:31
sonachOK. I will following that way:)08:31
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Stskeepsand instead maybe instead use the bigger server for obs build08:31
sonachYes, I am planing to appoint sepecial server, to do OBS build stuff only08:32
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Sage_Stskeeps: with pcre we need to be quite carefull and we need couple of prereleases and update tests with that one.09:19
Sage_I'm still not entirely sure if that packaging actually works as wanted or not.09:19
Stskeepsok09:19
Stskeepsi'm not merging it before next aanyway09:21
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Stskeepsphaeron: ok, so we have to update merproject gits, our version has broken hostarch handling09:41
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slaineIs the upcoming ARM build of Ubuntu hardfp, does anyone know ?09:46
StskeepsSage_: they're working on one but i think they slipped for next ubuntu09:46
Stskeepserr09:46
Stskeepsslaine:09:46
Stskeeps'lo ericlr :)09:46
slaineStskeeps: k, wondered, seeing as it's an LTS release and Linaro are pushing hardfp iirc.09:47
ericlrHi Stskeeps :)09:47
Stskeepsslaine: :nod:09:47
Stskeepsslaine: it's a common effort to push to go to hardfp, finally09:47
slaineNice to see Fedora on track for ARM as a primary target for F1709:47
Stskeepsslaine: that hurts me a bit though, given that we were seemingily about a year faster than bigger distros in meego09:48
Stskeepssometimes you can innovate too fast09:48
slaineBleeding edge09:48
slaineproves how small projects can be hard hitting and far reaching with impressive turn around.09:48
Stskeepswe have less baggage to throw around09:49
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Bostikphew, just got qt5-declarative to build and package itself nicely again09:57
Stskeepswoo09:58
Bostikstill broken for ARM, due to jsbackend build b0rking due to float-abi mismatches09:58
Stskeepsthere's a patch for that on qtonpi list i think09:58
Stskeepsat some point we should probably sync with the packaging that qtonpi will have09:58
Bostikbut at least this is now getting forward again09:58
Stskeepsi think it really helps they're in feature freeze09:59
Bostikyeah, that certainly might help10:00
Bostikv8 in particular has been passed around from module to module like a drunk cheerleader on spring break10:00
Stskeeps:nod:10:01
StskeepsBostik: btw, since you deal with architecture, did you see my magic build?10:01
StskeepsBostik: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/magic.txt10:02
Stskeepsespecially the "installing..." part10:02
Bostiknot until now, goes off to read10:02
Stskeepsyou might wonder where gcc is, or make, etc - it's basically a pretty empty target i'm building a .spec file transparently against10:05
Stskeepswith no modifications to .spec or voodoo rpm config10:05
Bostikaaaahhh, this must be the thing:10:06
BostikWill build with SB2, flags: --toolchain /opt/cross/bin/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc --qemu /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic --mappingmethod C --defaultmode obs-rpm-build+pp10:06
Stskeepshehe, for instance :)10:07
Stskeepsstill, quite nice that i now can make any sort of core with any sort of libc in obs10:08
Stskeepsand core doesn't have to be self-hosting10:08
lbtmorning10:11
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Stskeepsmorn lbt10:12
ericlrhi lbt :)10:14
lbthey ericlr :)10:14
smokuhttp://www.auraslate.com/  that's interesting10:23
* Stskeeps looks10:24
Stskeepsis that a zenithink too or?10:24
Stskeepsuh..10:25
Stskeepshttp://www.auraslate.com/page2.html10:26
Stskeepssee the second part10:26
Stskeepsso no source code by standard unless you buy development kit10:26
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* Stskeeps stabs git10:27
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lbtwassup10:28
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Stskeepslbt: long story short the open-build-service version we have in Merproject didn't have a fix for the new Hostarch: functionality, so arm packages refused to schedule10:30
Stskeepslbt: so i'm rebasing10:30
lbtOK10:30
Stskeepsi git fetch upstream, git rebase upstream/master, solve conflicts, git add them, git rebase --continue, then try to git push origin master10:31
Stskeepsand get To git@github.com:stskeeps/obs-build.git ! [rejected]        master -> master (non-fast-forward)10:32
Stskeepserror: failed to push some refs to 'git@github.com:stskeeps/obs-build.git'10:32
StskeepsTo prevent you from losing history, non-fast-forward updates were rejected10:32
StskeepsMerge the remote changes (e.g. 'git pull') before pushing again.  See the10:32
Stskeeps'Note about fast-forwards' section of 'git push --help' for details.10:32
lbt--force10:32
Stskeepsthis is in my own branch for pulling into obs itself, not merproject fwiw10:33
Stskeepsok10:33
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lbt(on the push)10:33
lbtrebases are bad ... but they are no worse than keeping modified patches and a tarball10:34
lbtin addition if we leave a tag/ref pointing to the old sha1 then it's not actually lost10:34
lbtand that mimics the retention of old patchsets10:34
Stskeepsmagic, got it10:35
Stskeeps:P10:35
lbthehe10:35
lbtmds is up - left it syncing at bedtime10:35
lbtso is cwrk10:35
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lbtI wonder if I should push IT commit messages to this chan10:36
Stskeepsno, seperate10:36
lbtOK - just thinking transparenc10:37
lbty10:37
smokuStskeeps: this is "source code disk" as a hardcopy10:37
Stskeepsmm10:38
Stskeepslbt: seperate channel fine, but not in main channel10:38
smokuStskeeps: but I can't find any info what exact soc is in that thing10:38
lbtI know, I know, use the tradesmens entrance.... :D10:39
lbtI like the overview on http://www.auraslate.com/page3.html10:39
* lbt grins at the blog10:40
lbtblogspot :)10:40
Stskeepslbt: okay, so, now i'm in merproject and would like to move on to upstream and merge stskeeps's branch..10:41
Stskeepslbt: stskeeps, upstream is remote's10:42
X-Fadelol:10:44
X-FadeBattery Lithium Ion 6000 mAh  up to 5  ~ 6 hours of use10:44
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X-Fadeeh? :D10:44
Stskeeps5-6 on 6000 mAH?10:45
Stskeepsdear god10:45
lbtStskeeps: was grabbing coffee10:45
X-FadeThat must be hot.. And that on a 800Mhhz A9 :)10:45
lbthey X-Fade10:45
Stskeepslbt: no worries10:45
lbtback now...10:46
X-Fadehi lbt10:46
X-FadeTheir tech specs are funny:10:46
X-FadeAspect Ratio is at 4 by 3, and not the ugly 16 by 9 widescreen10:46
lbtStskeeps: you're on merproject branch?10:47
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Stskeepslbt: carsten@monster:~/merproject/obs-build$ git pull origin master10:48
StskeepsFrom github.com:Merproject/obs-build * branch            master     -> FETCH_HEAD10:48
StskeepsAlready up-to-date.10:48
Stskeepsorigin = merproject github10:48
lbtnb merge is evil10:50
Stskeepsmm10:50
Stskeepswell it should be possible, i would guess10:51
Stskeepsas git is supposed to be about merging from multiple sources?10:51
Stskeepsso, what do i do?10:51
lbtlooking10:51
lbtjust because it can merge doesn't mean it's a good idea10:53
Stskeepswell, end result is that we have a common collection of our patches, phaeron's patches, my patches, upstream10:53
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lbtis "upstream" a branch?10:55
lbtor a remote name?10:55
Stskeepsremote name10:56
Stskeepsso is stskeeps10:56
lbtso you want to merge stskeeps/master with upstream/master10:56
lbtand push to merproject/master10:56
Stskeepsstskeeps/master was rebased on top of upstream/master in his git repo10:57
lbtin local repo10:57
Stskeepsin his github repo10:57
lbthis?10:57
Stskeepsyes, let's not mix me and my assets10:57
Stskeeps:P10:57
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lbtstskeeps/master was rebased on top of upstream/master in another repo?10:58
Stskeepsyes10:58
lbtand we care because?10:58
Stskeepsi don't know, it seems relevant10:58
lbtOK10:58
Stskeepsanother repo is 'stskeeps', fwiw10:58
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lbtI'm sorry - it's too mixed up to keep a sane picture10:59
Stskeepsokay10:59
lbtgive me some urls10:59
lbtand I'll replicate10:59
Stskeepshttp://pastie.org/340056811:00
lbtis stskeeps up to date on remote ?11:01
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Stskeepsgit fetch stskeeps was done, yes11:01
lbtrenaming my remotes to match11:02
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niqtmeeting is at 12 utc ?11:03
lbtyes11:03
niqtthnaks11:03
StskeepsREMINDER: Mer advisory board meeting at in 55 minutes in #mer-meeting , agenda at http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00250.html11:04
Stskeepslbt: adding to the fun, there was a merge conflict when rebasing in stskeeps git repo11:08
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lbt*nod* ... just cleaning up locally11:09
lbtmmm11:09
lbtupstream/master - d20f5cc78  ?11:10
lbtseems very old11:11
Stskeepswe're on obs-build, right11:11
lbtah - they renamed it11:11
Stskeepscommit 27b904da6fe1c81bec7fbd78e3d85c98372bcfdb11:11
StskeepsAuthor: Martin Vidner <mvidner@suse.cz>11:11
StskeepsDate:   Fri Feb 17 02:04:40 2012 +010011:11
StskeepsAdded progress counters to init_buildsystem.11:11
lbtyeah, my local git had an old remote with the same name11:13
lbtOK - looking at this stskeeps/master is nicely rebased on upstream/master11:14
Stskeepsright11:15
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lbtso git checkout -b stskeeps_master --track stskeeps/master ; git push --force origin stskeeps_master:master11:17
Stskeepsbut that'll wipe out existing changes in merproject, won't it?11:18
lbtcall it origin or merproject, not both11:18
Stskeepsok, in origin11:18
lbtgit remote rename origin merproject11:18
lbt(please)11:18
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Stskeepsdone11:19
lbtyes it will11:19
lbtif you want you can tag merproject/master now11:19
Stskeepsthat's not a good thing?11:19
lbtthat tag will prevent gc11:19
lbtit's a thing that people need to be aware of11:20
lbtwhat it does is allow us to keep up with upstream11:20
Stskeepscan we wait with the push until we have the other non-stskeeps changes too?11:21
lbtso... serious Q... why did you rebase onto upstream?11:21
lbtit makes sense to me11:21
Stskeepsbecause i'm a developer who's supposed to upstream this into mainline obs11:21
lbtOK ... so is this our master branch or our "for upstream" branch?11:22
Stskeepsthis is our master branch, not 'for upstream'11:22
Stskeepsbut we need upstream changes because upstream broke something (the hostarch thing)11:22
lbtwhat is the policy for our master branch?11:22
lbtdoes it track upstream via rebase?11:22
lbtin order to be ready for merge at any time?11:23
lbt(by upstream)11:23
Stskeepswell, i guess motivation is to keep delta close to zero, but we may need things for mer deployments earlier than upstream11:23
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lbtyeah - so I'd say "yes, that's our policy"11:23
Stskeepsdelta to upstream, that is11:23
lbtso this all looks reasonable to me11:24
Stskeepsand allow the individual contributors (phaeron, me, scriptripper) to have own repos that can be used to be pulled into mainline, rebasing/tracking upstream11:24
lbtwhat I'm not sure of is if there are better branch names/merge/rebase approaches11:24
lbt*nod*11:25
Stskeepswhere we in merproject pull in those 'idea/fixes/features' repos and make deployments11:25
lbtyes11:26
lbtthinking about other approaches that may work...11:26
Stskeepsso, how do we move merproject/ to rebase on top of upstream while not having to repeat stskeeps's merge conflict work?11:26
lbtlooking at it now I see c89c84 as merproject/master11:27
Stskeepsi concur11:27
lbtthe 2 patches were rebased with tweaks to upstream11:28
lbtso force push to merproject will lose nothing and put tweaks to merproject11:28
lbtthe 'risk'11:28
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lbtis that someone pushes to merproject/master and then you force push11:29
lbtso ... we could have multiple branch names where master means "latest rebased changeset"11:30
lbtor ... we could talk to each other :)11:30
Stskeeps:nod:11:30
Stskeepsso, what commands should i run to get us on top of upstream, with stskeeps's merge conflict fix merged?11:31
lbtrebase to upstream/master should only be occasional... every few days11:31
lbtin complex repos I like to have remote_branch as the tracking branch11:32
lbtso stskeeps_master11:32
lbtif you had that then   :   git push --force merproject stskeeps_master:master11:32
Stskeepsok, so, git checkout -b stskeeps_master --track stskeeps/master11:32
Stskeepsand then that?11:33
lbtyes11:33
lbtI dunno if git push --force merproject stskeeps/master:master   would work11:33
Stskeepsmmkay11:33
lbttry it :)11:33
Stskeepslet's see11:33
lbtalso add me to merproject11:33
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Stskeepsok, git push --force merproject stskeeps_master:master11:34
Stskeepsdone11:34
lbtlooks good to me11:34
lbtI also created a tmp branch on my local repo to prevent gc in case things went pear shaped11:35
Stskeepsalso, Mer:OBS:Testing 'build' didn't have the sb2 patches11:35
lbt*nod* ... I didn't do the git->obs part11:35
Stskeepsok11:35
lbtdo you use gitk ?11:36
Stskeepsi try to but in this case it was remotely done on onster11:36
Stskeepsmonster11:36
lbtyeah11:36
lbtthe problem is that without gitk I can feel blind :)11:36
Stskeepsokay, so you'll make proper 'build' packages and updated obs packages based on Merproject/ now?11:37
Stskeepsas you need those for anything to function11:37
lbtanyhow I think the push <to> <localname>:<remotename>   concept is what you needed11:37
lbtyep - this afternoon11:38
Stskeepsokay11:38
lbtgot some notes to complete for the AB11:38
Stskeepsah, good point11:38
lbtDenise said "why did you do that tonight" .... I said "something will come up and steal my morning"11:38
lbtso I'm mainly done11:38
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Stskeepsin other news, http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/17/nhtsa-issues-distraction-guidelines-proposal-for-in-vehicle-el/11:52
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* lbt waits for the QtGazeDirection object11:55
lbtand expects chord-like keyboard buttons on the back of the wheel11:55
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vgradelbt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oG94mghlSRw12:01
lbt:)12:01
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Mark__Thi, what is the target for gcc when building for n900?12:05
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lbtMark__T: we're in a meeting - hang on a while12:15
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jboshi, stskeeps is there swaplogger (http://gitorious.org/swaplogger/ ) for mer as rpm somewhere?12:32
w00tnot that i know of at least12:32
Stskeepshmm, we used to have it compiled, did you check build.pub.meego.com search?12:33
w00tStskeeps: are you _sure_? I always intended to package some of the perftools stuff, but never got the time12:33
jbosyep, no results from search12:34
Stskeepsjbos: are you in same office as danny bennett by chance?12:34
jboswell, he is in US currently.12:34
jbosI'm in Germany12:34
jbos:)12:34
Stskeepsah, that explains a bit :)12:34
Stskeepswe have mer advisory board meeting at the moment and he was supposed to represent PA12:35
jbosmhm so its 4 in the morning for him,... might explain it12:42
Stskeepsyeah12:43
Sage_I packaged the swaplogger at somepoint at least12:45
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Sage_not sure though where it is now :)12:46
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phaeronStskeeps: you pinged about something ?13:04
Stskeepsphaeron: just tha t 'build' wasn't git-ified to merproject yet13:04
Stskeepspointed it out to lbt13:04
lbtyeah, it's on the post-meeting list13:05
phaeronthe ones in :Devel come from merproject git13:10
lbtah, not Testing13:11
lbtcan you promote13:11
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Stskeepsphaeron: also, that merproject git has been updated13:19
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phaeronlbt: do you want to review , or should I just accept ? https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/438514:03
lbtlooking14:05
lbtand eating :)14:05
Stskeepsthis is after pulling newest merproject snapshot?14:05
* lbt looks for a sha1 reference14:05
lbtyep14:05
phaeronStskeeps: yes14:06
Stskeepsok14:06
Stskeepsi deployed this to CI earlier today, hence how i found out the issues14:06
Stskeepsand the old 'build'14:06
Stskeeps(after all QA checks finished, so no harm done)14:06
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Stskeeps'lo ahma :)14:13
Bostikwell hello there14:14
Bostikthe day-to-day qt5 packaging will be his domain from now on, I've done most of the hard work bringing the rules up to date14:18
lbtahma is here... hey :)14:18
lbtnow ... watch him run away!!! *g*14:18
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StskeepsBostik: sounds good :)14:18
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Stskeepshopefully we can start having it as a first class citizen in mer14:19
ahmalo everyone :)14:19
Bostikjust pushed a half-state patch against jsbackend14:20
ahmaStskeeps, lbt: been a while o/14:20
lbtwelcome to the project14:20
lbtyou may notice some similarities to a previous bit of work :D14:21
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Stskeepsor old mer, except we're more experienced now14:21
Stskeeps:P14:21
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ahma:)14:22
vgradeahma, hi14:22
ahmahi14:23
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lbtahma: I hear Bostik is going to bring you up to speed on the Qt packaging - I'd love to tag along with you guys on that14:26
Bostiklbt: just pull my latest stuff from specwork project14:27
Bostikhttps://gitorious.org/modular-qt-specwork/modular-qt-specs14:28
lbtcould ahma setup a wiki page about Mer/Qt5 - that would be good14:28
Bostikahma will set up a git repo of his own someplace, and I'll pull from him frequently'ish just to stay on the radar14:29
Bostikany really hard problems I can help looking into, but in general my time is a bit limited14:29
lbtunderstood14:29
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ahmalbt: I planned documenting the workflow for myself, there is no reason not to use Mer Wiki14:30
lbtneat - there's a lot there already14:30
lbtQt5 is probably kinda special though14:30
Stskeepsnot so much on actualy packaging qt514:31
Stskeepsthere's a releasing@ mailing list on qt-project for this purpose now14:31
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lbtso phaeron.... build, cobs and stuff14:43
phaeronyou accepted the promotion14:43
lbtI did14:43
lbtI'm about to setup a c.worker14:44
lbtcmds is up14:44
lbtmutter14:45
lbtno systemd on squeeze14:45
lbtis it in testing?14:45
phaeronwas the http redirect issue fixed ?14:45
lbtno14:45
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lbthead-in-sand solution14:46
phaeronlbt: systemd is in testing and unstable , why do you need it ?14:46
lbtmds14:46
Stskeepswhy not init.d it?14:46
Stskeeps:P14:46
lbtcan't be bothered to write a sysv init.d14:46
lbtlike the author ;)14:46
lbtbut I have systemd unit so....14:47
phaeronlbt: use supervisord14:47
lbtthat would be called a rabbit hole14:47
phaeronlbt: no14:47
Stskeepslbt: systemd is bound to cause more trouble on top of a debian system, tbh14:47
Stskeeps:P14:47
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lbtthe nice thing about VMs is that each has ~ nothing in it14:48
lbtso no impact14:48
phaeronlbt: I packaged supervisor for debian and it is used in skynet / mint14:48
lbtOK ... it's yours14:48
phaeronactually it was already packaged , but I meant it is part of mint14:48
lbtnote it down here:  http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_Delivery_System#Running_under_Systemd14:49
lbtand we can use that14:49
lbtwell next to that one14:49
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lbtmm my home mds system is debian with systemd14:50
lbtanyhoo14:50
phaeronlbt: well whichever is faster for now14:51
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phaeronI estimate about 15 to 30 minutes to run it with supervisor14:52
phaeronwas the ssh access fixed :)14:54
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phaeronlbt: seems to work14:57
lbtyes, I setup a new ssh entry system last niht14:58
lbtwith alterego14:58
Stskeepshow's the wiki movement going?14:58
phaeronyou mean ldap based14:58
lbtphaeron: yes14:58
lbtStskeeps: alterego has root on that VM now - he'll ping me when he starts14:59
Stskeepsok14:59
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lbtcmds is now systemd based with mds15:00
phaeronas you wish15:00
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phaeronlbt: brb to see what I could help with15:02
lbtwe need git-obs and git-build on c.obs15:02
lbtcan you upgrade them15:03
Stskeepswe should validate on mer cobs first15:03
lbtI mean mer cobs15:03
Stskeepsok15:03
lbtFYI ... echo "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian testing main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/testing.list; apt-get update; apt-get install systemd; init 0; change boot line to add init=/bin/systemd; reboot.   http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_Delivery_System#Running_under_Systemd15:06
lbtStskeeps: now that is how sysadmin stuff should go.  Not the crap we did yesterday15:07
lbtphaeron: are you doing cbe?15:08
lbtI can do cwrk115:08
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phaeronjust upgrade or redeploy ?15:11
lbtupgrade15:11
lbtI hate it but we'll have to resolve the refer issue :(15:11
lbtwe can ignore it for a bit15:11
* dm8tbr decided it's casual friday at ELC and is proudly wearing a Mer shirt :)15:12
lbt:)15:12
Stskeeps:)15:13
dm8tbrno business meetings today, last day of conference, ... :)15:13
dm8tbrtoo bad SDE for gen9 archos is not out, else I'd have a device too15:14
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lbtdm8tbr: we have spares so a free T-shirt to anyone who commits to build a commercial product on Mer15:15
lbtthat should persuade 'em !!15:15
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phaerontrying to ssh to cbe and cfe , I'll upgrade and see if I can fix the redirect issue15:16
dm8tbrLOL15:16
lbtphaeron: I'll do cwrk15:16
Macerthere are Mer shirts?15:17
Macerheh15:17
Stskeepssure15:17
Macerwell i guess ther is a shirt for everything15:17
Stskeepshttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DqQ-oDZSma8/TsEfO3e6bLI/AAAAAAAABFU/-EYRIk6gQnE/s869/bild019_neg.nr.18.jpg15:17
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Macer:) next time you show a mer shirt try to find something a little less gay lovers15:19
Macerlol... sharing earbuds is like kissing15:20
lbtMacer: hehe ... you should see it when I teach him to dance15:20
phaeronlbt: can't ssh to cbe15:20
Macerhopefully not a tango ;)15:20
lbtof course tango...15:20
lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Web_Infrastructure/Policy15:22
lbtoop15:22
lbtphaeron ^^15:22
* dm8tbr used to teach salsa for a very brief period15:23
lbtMacer: €11 inc shipping - any spare € go to infra15:23
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lbtdm8tbr: hey ... I should get you into Tango -- you can teach me salsa15:23
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dm8tbrlbt: standard or argentino?15:25
lbtI used to do both - but argentine now15:25
lbtyou actually get salsa/argentine mixed up a lot15:25
dm8tbrah, that would be nice, I took ballroom lessons and have the former covered quite well still. only took 2 lessons of argentino though15:26
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FluxiFlax2022hi where can I find the changelog for the release of 16/02/201215:45
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Macerssh private keys must never be checked into a git repo which could compromise them15:49
Macerlol15:49
Macertalk about oops15:50
Stskeepsyou'd be surprised how many kinds of fuckups people can do15:50
Maceroh i believe it15:50
Macerheh15:50
Macerjust thought that was kind of funny :)15:50
dm8tbrMacer: well, keeping your home directory backed up through e.g. git on a LAN accessible server.15:51
dm8tbrI wouldn't even call that 'oops'15:51
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MacerThe following snippet can be usefully added to your .ssh/config (note you need to change the <USER> to your meego.com shell account name)15:52
MacerHost *.merproject.org15:52
Macerjust throwing that out there15:53
dm8tbrspeaking of shell accounts... lbt: where on your long backlog is moving/consolidating irc-bots?15:54
lbtdm8tbr: I can delegate VMs now - so .... when we have time15:54
* Macer points at the "meego.com shell" part15:54
dm8tbrk15:54
lbtMacer: ah15:54
Macerheh15:55
dm8tbrI won't have time earlier then late next week anyway15:55
lbtta15:55
lbtdm8tbr: no rush15:55
Macercut and paste ruined the world ;)15:55
dm8tbryep15:55
Macerit's #2 on the list of humanity's greatest blunders... right underneath python :-P15:55
dm8tbrMerBot: botsnack15:55
MerBotdm8tbr: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command.15:55
dm8tbrmeeeeeh15:55
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Macermeritocracy?16:03
Maceris that even a word?16:03
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Maceroh wow.. i guess it is16:05
Macera word i've never seen? this is almost as exciting as "quadroon"16:05
Stskeepshey fiferboy16:06
fiferboyHi Stskeeps!16:06
Stskeepshow is it going?16:07
fiferboyPretty good, just getting back into Qt/QML programming16:07
fiferboyWhat about you?16:07
Stskeepsi'm good, mer moving pretty well ahead16:08
fiferboyI saw an announcement recently16:08
fiferboyI have to make some time to try it out16:08
Stskeepshehe, there's been quite a few16:08
fiferboyMaybe this weekend is the one :)16:10
Stskeepsnemo's getting better and better each day too16:10
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fiferboyGood to hear16:11
lbthey fiferboy16:15
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andrewfblackHello16:16
Stskeepsmorn andrewfblack :)16:16
andrewfblackMorning Stskeeps16:16
* Stskeeps ponders how to bend obs to his will16:18
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lbtphaeron: are new obsworker packages different16:21
lbtno config?16:21
lbtmmm or the postinst is bad16:22
Stskeepsconfig where? i usually just do sysconfig16:22
lbtI have to do cp /var/adm/fillup-templates/sysconfig.obs-server /etc/sysconfig/obs-server16:22
lbtmanually16:22
Stskeepsodd16:22
lbtpackaging glitch I guess16:22
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fiferboylbt: Hi!16:42
lbthigh latency to the boondocks today then :)16:43
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fiferboylbt: We just got internet in Canada this week ;)16:43
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lbt*g*16:44
fiferboylbt: How's it going?16:44
lbtquite well - too many annoying problems keeping me from enjoyable work16:45
lbtbut I think I'll ignore them16:45
fiferboySolid plan16:45
lbtI pre-ordered a spark16:45
lbtalso http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/ftdi-basic16:46
lbtso I can make an IR controller for my TV16:46
fiferboyNice. It is important to make as many devices as possible into TV remotes16:47
lbtI will make another for my Joggler when it controls all the lighting in my back garden :)16:47
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andrewfblackStskeeps: lbt any more thoughts on what CMS software to use for the Mer site?16:54
lbtI think we should focus on layout/style/content16:54
lbtthen select technology16:55
andrewfblacklbt: ok16:55
lbthttp://www.auraslate.com/page3.html16:56
lbtjust because it's a cool way to present a message quite close to ours16:57
andrewfblackFlow chat is cool16:58
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andrewfblackGot any preference on layout? Single Column 2 Column?17:07
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Stskeepshello kavurt and valdur5517:16
valdur55Stskeeps, Hello!17:16
Stskeepsvaldur55: welcome :) so what brings you here?17:16
kavurthi Stskeeps, i was watching LAS, i'm a kde person and the new tablet is interesting to me.17:17
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Stskeepshehe :) yeah, it is a exciting project alright they're doing17:18
valdur55Stskeeps, I am happy KDE user, and Mer os looks nice!17:18
Stskeepsit's a nice core that you can put shiny things on top of, yeah17:18
Stskeepsmer itself is only beautiful logo wise and architectually ;)17:19
Stskeepsfeel welcome to hang around here and if you have any questions on Mer, feel free to ask17:21
valdur55I wan't use my free time to learn some new stuff :).17:22
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Stskeepsa good way to learn it then, we try to work in the open as best as we can, mostly because we don't have any other alternatives as we are spread across many countries and cities17:23
valdur55Yea. And this is nice! So much different cultures17:24
andrewfblackStskeeps: Any comments or thoughts on the website?  As far as layout or content?17:29
Stskeepsandrewfblack: not good with layout, content i brainstormed a bit about yesterday17:35
andrewfblackStskeeps: I wasn't sure if you had anything else to add to content or not.  We could stick with a simple one column site like now will any links to other pages in a row up top.17:37
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phaeronlbt: didn't change upstream packaging ..17:41
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Stskeepsandrewfblack: something that symbolizes minimalism i guess, but with ability to see deeper what it's used for and how to use it17:43
Stskeeps.. or something17:43
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andrewfblackStskeeps: Want me to do layout and content Mockups before I start working on real site.  Or just setup a Sandbox Site and build as I design?  Or do you care lol17:56
Stskeepsandrewfblack: mockups are good for apps and websites :)17:57
andrewfblackStskeeps: Ok, I'll do some.17:57
Stskeepstypically because it's easier to throw away mockups and make them than to build17:57
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andrewfblackStskeeps: yeah but I was the person in programming classes that would get an assignment and just start writing code I would figure it out as I went.18:04
Stskeepsandrewfblack: either one works :) i was same until i started hitting my head too hard when making bigger things18:05
andrewfblackStskeeps: lol18:06
phaeronStskeeps: did lbt go already ?18:12
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Stskeepsphaeron: no clue, when he goes silent for a while i'm assuming he's either 1) hacking 2) tangoing or 3) sleeping18:18
w00tor all three18:19
w00tsimultaneously18:19
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phaeronok so I upgraded obs and we want to test it ?18:21
Stskeepsyes, hmm.. how best to do it18:22
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phaeronyou want to test sb2 right ?18:22
Stskeepsgot access to the MDS server?18:22
Stskeepsand is that linked up on the obs18:22
StskeepsMDS/fakeobs18:22
phaeronthere is also the redirect issue he mentioned18:23
phaerontrying to access18:23
Stskeepsyeah, that's a rabbit hole i don't want to get into right now as it will block the mer release if we spend time on it right now18:24
Stskeepsin the release-tools dir, rsync -aHx --verbose rsync://releases.merproject.org/mer-releases/obs-repos/Core:0.20120209.0.0.3:* obs-repos18:25
Stskeepsthen we get the prerelease18:25
Stskeepsand go into obs-projects/Core and git pull18:26
phaeronwait wait :D18:26
Stskeepsyeah, sorry, just collecting info and dumping it ;)18:26
phaeronStskeeps: you should dump it in a wiki18:27
Stskeepsthat's treu18:27
Stskeepstrue18:27
Stskeepsthough i'd very much like us to find a different way than that :)18:27
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phaeronrsync: link_stat "/obs-repos/Core:0.20120209.0.0.3:*" (in mer-releases) failed: No such file or directory (2)18:28
Stskeepshuh18:28
phaeronbut I see there is a lot of repos synced already by lbt18:29
Stskeepsoh damnit18:29
Stskeepsin the release-tools dir, rsync -aHx --verbose rsync://releases.merproject.org/mer-releases/obs-repos/Core:*:0.20120209.0.0.3 obs-repos18:29
* Stskeeps hates the day he decided to put arch in the middle18:29
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phaeronyeah I noticed , rsyncing again already18:30
phaerongit pull already up todate18:30
phaeronok we try to link against it ?18:32
Stskeepsok18:33
Stskeepswell, we need to modify mappings.xml a bit18:33
* lbt was sleeping ... will be tangoing soon18:34
Stskeepscopy duplicate Core:X to Core:X:prerelease and change :latest -> :0.20120209.0.0.318:35
StskeepsX being the archs18:35
phaeronsounds hackish18:35
lbtStskeeps: phaeron internal wiki on airy:500118:36
lbthas deployment info18:37
lbtnot much there for cobs - mainly in main wiki18:37
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lbtback tomorrow :D o/18:38
Stskeepscya18:38
phaeronbye18:38
phaeronStskeeps: brb18:41
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* Stskeeps needs a whiteboard18:50
phaeronback18:53
Stskeepswb18:53
phaeronStskeeps: http://pastie.org/340318018:54
phaeronah prerlease18:55
Stskeepschange name of project=""18:55
phaeronyes got it18:55
phaeronStskeeps: reloaded , where are the logs19:01
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Stskeepshello monstaokki19:01
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phaeronStskeeps: linke to obs19:09
Stskeepsk19:09
Stskeepslinked, i assume19:09
phaeronyes19:09
phaeronlet's try to build something ?19:09
phaeronIt's linked at Mer:MDS19:09
Stskeepsfirst verify you can check out a package, from Core:i586 acl19:10
phaeronok19:10
phaeronStskeeps: yep works19:12
Stskeepsok, then try to build a package against first Mer:MDS:Core:i586 Core_i586 scheduler i586, then Core:armv7l Core armv7l scheduler armv7el19:13
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Stskeepsand then against Core:i586:prerelease, armv7l19:14
Stskeeps(btw, while it does suck a bit, i'm letting you do the validation as i might be blind to issues as i've been working so much with it, so it's best other people try it out)19:16
Stskeeps:P19:16
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phaeronStskeeps: :D ok i586 says building19:17
Stskeepsactually, just skip right ahead to prerelease19:18
Stskeepsthe prjconf isn't correct for arm* on that Core checkout19:18
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phaeronseems the single worker is setup to use lxc19:20
phaeronso it fails to build19:20
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phaeronI created two repos for i586 . release and prerelease19:21
Stskeepslxc? odd it fails to build19:21
Stskeepswhat error?19:22
phaeronbooting lxc ...19:23
phaeronconfiguration path '/var/lib/lxc' not found19:23
Stskeepsokay19:23
phaeronbrb kid -> bed19:23
Stskeepsalright19:23
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phaeronback19:29
Stskeepswb19:29
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andrewfblackStskeeps: still around?19:32
phaeronso the worker is a vm and probably lxc is the only option better than chroot19:32
Stskeepsandrewfblack: sure, it's not like i have a life ;)19:33
Stskeepsphaeron: for now, chroot is ok19:33
Stskeepswe just need to validate19:33
andrewfblackhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/2240466/Mer/Mockups/Mer%20Mockup%201%202-17-2012.png first mockup idea19:33
Stskeepshehe, now that brings memories of hildon :)19:34
andrewfblacklol I didn't even think of that when I did it19:34
andrewfblackit must be just burned onto my brain19:34
phaeronStskeeps: building ..19:35
phaeronsuccess19:35
Stskeepsok, for i58619:35
phaeronyes prerelease and release19:36
Stskeepsok19:36
phaeronit can't publish because there is no crepo yet19:36
phaeronah wait it did19:37
phaeronok the external rsync server is not setup yet19:37
Stskeeps:nod:19:37
phaeronbut it published to the internal one19:37
phaeronbrb19:38
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vgradeStskeeps, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_Delivery_System completed. local OBS next19:41
vgradehttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup is this the one?19:41
Stskeepsmm, that's a good one but i would use some other repo urls19:41
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vgradewhat about , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_VM_Setup_Guide19:46
andrewfblackI will take Hildon comment as go back to drawning board lol19:46
Stskeepsandrewfblack: well, i kind of liked the general idea19:47
Stskeepsandrewfblack: but i am a trekkie too..19:47
Stskeeps;)19:47
Stskeepshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lcars_wallpaper.gif ;)19:47
andrewfblackI'm a trekkie to lol19:48
Stskeepsandrewfblack: did you see the 'a day made of glass' videos?19:48
andrewfblackdon't think so19:49
Stskeepsokay, sec19:49
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Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38 is a day made of glass 1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZkHpNnXLB0 is the sequel, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-GXO_urMow is the sequel with narration, very useful to watch19:50
Stskeepsthat's the kind of world mer fits in19:50
dm8tbrStskeeps: btw, saw a TV in a mirror in the lobby of hotel Nikko in SF, had to think of you :)19:50
Stskeepsdm8tbr: hehe ;)19:50
* dm8tbr has a pic somewhere, so it happened!19:50
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phaeronStskeeps: so what's next19:52
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Stskeepsphaeron: well, did an arm package build from prerelease19:52
phaeronlets see19:52
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Stskeepsdobry wieczór jstaniek19:56
phaeronStskeeps: building ..19:56
jstaniekwitaj Stskeeps ;)19:57
jstaniekhi all19:57
* jstaniek notes: another hacker getting accustomed with the nice Polish language ;)19:57
phaeronStskeeps: success19:58
Stskeepswell, or trying to rescue his sanity by being able to understand what goes on around him ;)19:58
Stskeepsphaeron: ok, can you try a non-prerelease one to?19:58
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dm8tbrjstaniek: witam :)20:00
phaeronStskeeps:      getbinaries: missing packages: sb2-tools-armv7l-inject20:00
Stskeepsphaeron: no surprises20:00
Stskeepsphaeron: but it scheduled?20:00
Stskeepsah, of course it did20:01
phaeronyeah and failed20:01
jstaniekdm8tbr: cześć :)20:02
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Stskeepsphaeron: ok, let's try an experiment..20:03
Stskeepsnah, nevermind20:03
* phaeron puts on a lab coat20:03
Stskeepswe'll see that for sure in cobs20:03
Stskeepsdid you read about Hostarch: ?20:03
phaeronspec tag ?20:03
phaeronI know about buildarch20:04
phaeronafair20:04
Stskeepsnah, it's a new thing20:04
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StskeepsHostarch: is basically a new thing on where to schedule a cross package20:04
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StskeepsHostarch: x86_64 would schedule it on x86_64 workers20:05
Stskeepselse it would revert to only taking arm workers for instance20:05
Stskeepsthis will be a problem on build.pub20:05
phaeronmm can't think of why would someone use it on cobs20:07
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phaerona package that has to be built on certain arch .. why .. :D20:08
phaeronmaybe it needs >4G ram so it needs 64bit vs 32bit20:08
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phaeronusually workers are 64bit20:08
Stskeepsphaeron: it's more complicated than that.. in old OBS, x86_64 could build ARM packages too because of cross20:09
Stskeepsit's no longer automatically doing that20:09
Stskeepsyou need to tell it to use x86_64/i586 host20:09
Stskeepswithin prjconf20:09
Stskeepsso if there's no physical arm workers, it'll just queue the jobs20:09
phaeroncross means baselibs ?20:10
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* phaeron isn't thinking straight :D20:11
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Stskeepscross means 'run the arm job using a x86 worker'20:15
phaeronok .. so obs by default expects everyone to have native arm builders ?20:16
phaeronthat's retarded20:16
Stskeepsyes, that's the new thing20:17
Stskeepsthe thing was that old behaviour meant it would -only- take x86 workers for builds20:17
Stskeepsalways20:17
Stskeepsno arm builders20:17
Stskeepsso this thing actually enables us to do dual tests, cross and native builds20:18
Stskeepsso for any cross enabled arm builds, we now need to add Hostarch: x86_64 to the prjcons20:19
phaeronso it got reversed .. the correct answer sounds like use native if available and use any capable  workers according to the scheduling algos20:19
Stskeepsto make them schedule on x86 workers20:19
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Stskeepsi want to test mer build test cases on native arm hw at some point too so20:21
phaeronwhat's the benefit ?20:22
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Stskeepsas an example, you get non-qemu infested testcase results20:23
Stskeepsmany testcases we skip on qemu20:23
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Stskeepsthis will probably be the most irritating part of cobs (build.pub) deployment20:23
phaerontesting I understand , but building .. :(20:24
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phaeroncan it be testing only on native hardware20:30
phaeronmakes more sense to me20:30
Stskeepsthat's one thing i hope to do with sb220:31
phaeroninteresting :)20:32
Stskeepsgood old http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/sbrsh.html20:33
w00t"good" being highly subjective?20:33
Stskeepsi really should stop using positive words around anything that contains the word 'scratchbox'20:34
Stskeepspeople get really upset20:34
Stskeepsnew names for SB2 welcom20:34
Stskeepse20:34
phaeronStskeeps: I don't think enabling network on the builders is a good idea20:34
Stskeepsphaeron: i don't think so either, but think about only doing testcase tests after a repo is published..20:34
Stskeepsie, run through each one with a osc build or the likes..20:35
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phaeronStskeeps: I can definitely think of a boss process /participant stuff to trigger and do that stuff20:35
Stskeepsyes20:35
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Stskeepsi wouldn't mind something like setting up a vpn connection between a kvm and a native worker, for example20:36
Stskeepslike, in 'build' script20:36
phaeronmm I am sure build can trigger rpmbuild to do the %check section only somehow20:37
Stskeepswe have %if ! 0%{?qemu_user_space_build} right now20:38
Stskeepswith it currently being 1 all the time20:38
Stskeepsokay, time to call it a night20:39
* Stskeeps has the new Dune book to read..20:40
phaeron'night20:40
vgradenight20:40
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nsuffysgood night / dream +++20:52
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vgrademdavey, not long now23:16
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mdaveyvgrade: lets hope.23:16
vgradeare the guys over in china23:17
vgradejust writing the new image to flash card23:17
mdaveyvgrade: yup.23:18
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