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| sonach | Stskeeps: If I have restarted rcmemcached,rclighttpd,rcobsapidelayed,rcwebuiapidelayed, Is the OBS in OpenSUSE11.4 completely restarted? Or how to restart OBS completely instead of restart OpenSUSE? | 01:26 |
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| dm8tbr | it's actually one with a 4460, will be cool to try mer with it | 01:34 |
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| sonach | dm8tbr: I have one pandaboard too:) | 02:13 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: When I setup local OBS for Mer, I find that under "http://git.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git",there is MEEGO_1.2 file. I used this file to setup local OBS. Is that suitable? or You will offer something like "Mer_latest" file exactly for Mer? | 02:15 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: When I setup local OBS for Mer, rsync command failed. Whole information is:http://pastie.org/3385346 | 04:15 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Please do me a flavor if you have time:) | 04:15 |
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| Macer | damnit. vgrade sorry. was doing valentines day stuff | 04:46 |
| Macer | totally fofgot about the transfofrmer lol | 04:46 |
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| Ronksu | morning | 04:54 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:54 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning ZiQiangHuan, how is your work going? | 06:00 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: morning | 06:02 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: For several days, I began to learn gstreamer. And we would do some gstreamer plugins for our hard ware. | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah, cool :) | 06:05 |
| Stskeeps | gstreamer framework is good but also a bit confusing at times to understand | 06:05 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes, I think you are right. The documents about gstreamer is hard to read. | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | but very flexible once you have something that works | 06:06 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: Have I said that I hate qtmobility and qtwebkit builds already? :) | 06:07 |
| Sage_ | Job seems to be stuck here, killed. | 06:07 |
| Sage_ | happens already on i586 | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: this time it was a network failure | 06:07 |
| Sage_ | :P | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | backbone at hetzner messed up | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: which part are you trying to do, acceleration of codecs on hisilicon hardware? | 06:12 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes. | 06:13 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: doesn't hisilicon support OpenMAX? | 06:13 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Because we must use hardware to play audios and videos. I have no idea about OpenMAX. | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | openmax is a standard api for using accelerated video/audio decoding, so if you had that you could use 'gst-openmax' instead of writing your own | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | if not, you probably have to write your own yes | 06:18 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Then I will try to check the hisilicon's document for that. | 06:19 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: morning:) | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | good morning sonach | 06:20 |
| sonach | I met some problems when setup local OBS for Mer, and pastie it. Can you give me some advices? | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes, i already sent you a mail this morning | 06:21 |
| sonach | OK, I will check this at once:) | 06:21 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: thank you for reply. I will read the instructions first:) | 06:25 |
| Stskeeps | no problem, --- the instructions will become better soon, there is quite likely something wrong with them, so just tell us when something doesn't work | 06:25 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. I will try this! | 06:28 |
| Paimen | morning all | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | morn Paimen | 06:29 |
| * Stskeeps reads danish news.. "finnish man wakes up in danish airport without money, passport or wife, after having gotten drunk and ate his visa card" | 06:30 | |
| Paimen | sounds like normal friday to me | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 06:31 |
| Paimen | or monday if you are on vacation | 06:31 |
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| matrixx | D | 06:58 |
| matrixx | :D | 06:58 |
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| Stskeeps | huomenta jukka | 07:22 |
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| timoph | huomenta | 07:39 |
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| Paimen | hmm I should remove jukka from my hilite list | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, sometimes a hilight too many is better than too few :) | 07:51 |
| matrixx | non-exclusive huomenta :) | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | hmm - any of you who's into borderline UIs and such, opencv, augmented reality, kinect usage, that kind of stuff? | 07:52 |
| w00t | all-inclusive generic morning greeting | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | it could be cool to put together a toolbox of those toolkits for Mer | 07:52 |
| matrixx | I'm interested of augmented reality, but haven't really done anything related yet | 07:53 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: I might know one guy. wait a sec | 07:58 |
| * timoph trying to get a new contributor to Mer :) | 07:59 | |
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| jukkaeklund | Stskeeps, timoph, Paimen and all, huomenta :) | 08:20 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: what virtualization for intel processors programs are popular to use for developers in china? QEMU, VirtualBox, VMware, any others? | 08:26 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: I don't quite understand your problem. Is you mean: Now My PC is running Windows7, and I want to install Ubuntu in one kind of Virtual Machine? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, i'm just wondering what is usually used | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | i personally use qemu or virtualbox | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: we're going to make it possible to start Mer easily with virtual machine as well, for easier/faster development | 08:30 |
| jukkaeklund | vmware? | 08:31 |
| sonach | well, most use VMWare, some use virtualbox. | 08:31 |
| sonach | Yes, VMWare is most popular:) | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:31 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: What I am using is VMware-workstation-full-7.1.4-385536. | 08:45 |
| harbaum | vmware is only free for non-commercial use which imho is a problem for mer related work | 08:45 |
| vgrade | lbt urgent ping | 08:45 |
| harbaum | i just found the same discussions at the blackberry site as their playbook simulator is a vmware image | 08:46 |
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| sonach | harbaum: hmm, for linux developer or hacker, virtualbox is OK; others will use VMWare. | 08:47 |
| sonach | harbaum: for example, for me Virtual is OK:) | 08:47 |
| harbaum | still you need to buy a license | 08:47 |
| timakima | Stskeeps: heard you were asking about people interested in augmented reality | 08:47 |
| sonach | harbaum: for me virtualbox is OK, | 08:47 |
| timakima | Stskeeps: i'm new to it, but planning to do something during the hackday with opencv and nyartoolkit marker detection | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | timakima: cool, - it should be quite easy to package opencv up for mer i think | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: qemu-kvm is quite capable too, ideally we'll support multiple vm solutions | 08:49 |
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| harbaum | i am fine with qemu. i just wanted to point out that vmware may imply lefgeal problems | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | we can deliver a .iso so | 08:50 |
| timakima | Stskeeps: found quite cool example online, seems to work: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/node/3756 | 08:50 |
| harbaum | but you need appropriate drivers. the playbook iso boots on virtualbox, but doesn't cope with the video | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever try our llvmpipe demos? | 08:50 |
| harbaum | me? nope | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | we have gles with 60fps in nemo | 08:51 |
| harbaum | with software rendering? cool ... | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | though this doesn't work on arm | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | due to llvm being broken | 08:52 |
| harbaum | btw: where is my old n800? | 08:52 |
| harbaum | ah? Ok | 08:52 |
| lbt | morning all | 08:52 |
| lbt | vgrade: hey | 08:53 |
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| mdfe_ | good morning | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_ | 09:25 |
| vgrade | morning | 09:26 |
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| sonach | lbt: morning:) | 09:27 |
| lbt | good morning sonach | 09:28 |
| sonach | lbt: Is it time to try Platform SDK now? | 09:28 |
| lbt | sonach: sure - it's still very alpha though .... so you'll need to help me identify issues :) | 09:28 |
| lbt | https://img.merproject.org/images/ | 09:29 |
| sonach | lbt: It doesn't matter. I will try it soon:) | 09:29 |
| lbt | download the bz2 file and the enter-chroot.sh file | 09:30 |
| lbt | sonach: do you know what a bind mount is? | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: thought: perhaps we should make home mounting an option | 09:31 |
| sonach | lbt: a little. Before I do chroot, I have to do bind mount first. | 09:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it kinda is | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it is? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | so it's not dangerous in dangerous setting? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | dangerous in default setting | 09:31 |
| lbt | it's optionally safe :) | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | how about default safe :) | 09:32 |
| mdfe_ | vgrade: good catch with the compositing issue :) | 09:32 |
| lbt | I said it was alpha | 09:32 |
| lbt | sonach: so let me explain | 09:32 |
| lbt | sonach: the script will do a bind mount of your home and / into the SDK | 09:32 |
| lbt | this is fine and safe | 09:32 |
| lbt | it will unmount them when you leave | 09:33 |
| lbt | the only thinks to be aware of are that | 09:33 |
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| sonach | lbt: what should be aware of? | 09:33 |
| lbt | a) if you rm -rf the SDK then you'll rm -rf your home and root if the bind mounts are still there | 09:33 |
| sonach | lbt: I can understand "a)." | 09:34 |
| lbt | b) if there is a problem then they can still be there when you leave and you should check before rm -rf the SDK | 09:34 |
| lbt | that's it | 09:34 |
| * chouchoune broke his computer like that yesterday/2 days ago ;) | 09:34 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: 'mic' has a mic-cleanup thing | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | for chroots | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 09:34 |
| lbt | yeah - it doesn't work well | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:35 |
| sonach | lbt: how to check If I want to rm -rf the SDK? | 09:35 |
| lbt | sonach: thanks ... good point | 09:35 |
| lbt | cat /proc/self/mounts | 09:35 |
| lbt | it is more reliable than "mount" | 09:35 |
| sonach | lbt: If I find bind-mount is still there when cat /proc/self/mouts, how to cancel the bind-mount then? | 09:36 |
| lbt | just umount as root | 09:36 |
| lbt | and *please* let me know | 09:37 |
| lbt | I tried very hard to make it safe | 09:37 |
| lbt | feels like over half the code is actually safety checks :) | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: perhaps you can do something like set a filesystem bit so it's difficult to rm -rf by accident? isn't there something like that? | 09:37 |
| slaine | there's an immutable flag | 09:38 |
| sonach | lbt: OK. no problem. I am brave enough to try it though it is dangrous:) | 09:38 |
| lbt | hehe :) | 09:38 |
| lbt | thanks | 09:38 |
| sonach | alright:) | 09:39 |
| lbt | the safest option I'm aware of is to make the chroot in a discrete partion and use --one-file-system | 09:39 |
| lbt | when doing rm -rf | 09:39 |
| vgrade | mdfe_, could you do a build with that change reverted? | 09:39 |
| vgrade | mdfe_, G9 one | 09:39 |
| lbt | that won't help for bind-mount on the same fs | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://binblog.info/2011/01/30/make-directory-immutable-on-linux/ on the / of the sdk perhaps? | 09:39 |
| sonach | lbt: OK,thank you. I will go out now. see you:) | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: then rm -rf of it will stall very very early | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | i would guess... | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:40 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: yup | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | or on the home mount o something | 09:40 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah it can't hurt | 09:41 |
| lbt | but it may not help | 09:41 |
| lbt | rm doesn't process in any given order | 09:41 |
| lbt | and it does depth first iirc | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | maybe, dunno | 09:42 |
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| lbt | *may* not help ... and isn't *guaranteed* to help :) | 09:42 |
| lbt | certainly a good idea | 09:42 |
| lbt | and like I say ... this is a problem when rm -rf the SDK | 09:42 |
| mdfe_ | vgrade: Maybe by a single reverting patch of the potential trouble causing commit | 09:43 |
| lbt | that should be handled by a script we provide anyhow | 09:43 |
| slaine | There's a comment on that page that you'd need to name the file something like .00-immuatable to try and catch the order | 09:44 |
| vgrade | mdfe_, yes, exactly, I think its quite safe as it only affects sw rendering targets | 09:45 |
| vgrade | mdfe_, I'm also hoping thats the cause. Not 100% sure | 09:46 |
| mdfe_ | vgrade: we can try | 09:46 |
| mdfe_ | but first I like to update the testing project | 09:46 |
| vgrade | no probs | 09:47 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 09:47 |
| mdfe_ | do you know the maybe trouble causing commit id of kde-workdspace? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: BTW, heads up: we're switching mer default to LLVMpipe rendering from the release after next, so you'll have to specify intel mesa drivers directly in your .ks at that point | 09:50 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: greate thanks for this advice | 09:50 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: this means you are changing the rpm groups? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: no, just that our mesa won't have anything hardware specific like intel drivers | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | we'll provide a mesa intel version in the X86 adaptation | 09:51 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 09:52 |
| vgrade | mdfe, the commit link is in the email I think, checks | 09:52 |
| mdfe_ | cool, thanks :) | 09:53 |
| vgrade | http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=29911870d2691e30fc9aefb48a252871f6131145 | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn sledges | 09:59 |
| sledges | guten Morgen Stskeeps :) | 10:00 |
| sledges | alles klar? | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not german, but yeah, i'm good ;) | 10:01 |
| sledges | nein? Ich dachte das du wirdst :) | 10:01 |
| sledges | I'm not German either :) | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | born and raised in denmark, living in poland | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | just happen to have a germanic-ish name | 10:02 |
| sledges | I see, czesc then :D | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:02 |
| sledges | no words in Danish I'm afraid :} | 10:02 |
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| sledges | quite a bit of Open Source activity in Poland there? | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess there's a lot but i haven't touched ground with the open source community here yet | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | bit of a language barrier | 10:05 |
| sledges | oh wow, how come you're in Poland then (I imply your answer though :)) | 10:06 |
| * Stskeeps points to wedding ring and tax statement | 10:06 | |
| * sledges has implied the answer correctly | 10:06 | |
| lbt | inferred | 10:07 |
| sledges | yup, the inference | 10:07 |
| sledges | imply the semantics of an unsaid answer :D | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: past your morning coffee yet? | 10:08 |
| lbt | hugging it | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:08 |
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| matrixx | haha, the drunken finish man in the airport has gotten into finish news also: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/suomalaismies-riehui-lentokentalla---joi-45-litraa-olutta-ja-soi-luottokorttinsa/art-1288449216932.html :D | 10:15 |
| lbt | nb ... got my kvm issues sorted last night. Will continue on them today | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | what phost number was monster? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | 1? 2? | 10:17 |
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| lbt | missed that ... 3 | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: re spreadsheet i just sent, remember domain costs | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | just divide by 12 or something | 10:42 |
| lbt | oh yes... OK | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo jeremiah | 10:55 |
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| jeremiah | Howdy | 10:56 |
| jeremiah | :) | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going? | 10:56 |
| jeremiah | Good! | 10:56 |
| slaine | jeremiah: hey | 10:56 |
| jeremiah | How are you keepsie? | 10:56 |
| jeremiah | slaine: o/ | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, merproject going nicely forward | 10:56 |
| jeremiah | I see that! | 10:56 |
| jeremiah | :) | 10:56 |
| jeremiah | I'd like some more info on mer actually. | 10:57 |
| jeremiah | I'm really glad to see the governance laid out. | 10:57 |
| jeremiah | I'd like to know more about funding. | 10:58 |
| jeremiah | Is there any corporate backer? | 10:58 |
| jeremiah | Or is the project independent? | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | sure, let me take them in order :) | 10:58 |
| jeremiah | :) | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | governance we have our first advisory board meeting on monday -- we have a model that's a bit like the Yocto one, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance , very technically driven, with the concept of interest groups in which companies/projects/groups of hackers participate in and hence help recommend/influence direction | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | err, on friday, i mean | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | we're a bit of a co-operative, people pitch in and share the burden | 11:00 |
| jeremiah | Okay. I actually read the wiki a bit when you sent out your note about the meeting. | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | project is independent from corporate backing, -but- companies can participate through the open process | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | companies, UI projects, groups of hackers alike | 11:01 |
| jeremiah | So no one has funded Mer as a "proof of concept" as it were? | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, ourselves | 11:01 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, you guys have supplied all the resources yourselves - that is what it looks like from the wiki? | 11:01 |
| jeremiah | I just want to be clear | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | it has helped we were able to do work in Nemo towards Mer of course as meego died, but my own direction is consultancies surrounding mer | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | but there has been no corporate money (except our own companies, ie, our small tiny ones) involved to kickstart thi | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | s | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | so, it's fairly pure and free of politics | 11:02 |
| jeremiah | Cool - that is what I'm looking to understand. :) | 11:03 |
| jeremiah | The corporate politics has a way of, umm, complicating things. | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | we have people doing GTK+Mer projects, Plasma Active+Mer, Nemo (MTF/QML/etc)+Mer alongside, improving on the same core while differentiating on the directions we're most likely to argue about | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | so there's no Mer "UI" or Mer hardware adaptations, 100% open source, just a core | 11:04 |
| jeremiah | And you're using the OBS? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | and rest exists in the vendor (also hackers!) community surrounding mer | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:04 |
| jeremiah | How does one get a log in to submit packages? | 11:04 |
| jeremiah | Can one build images from your OBS? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, before getting into specifics :) | 11:05 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, I'm jumping around a bit here, sorry | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | Mer Core exists as a project core, described by a git repository and .xml file indicating other git repositories and commit versions | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | anyone can take mer core, link it up with their OBS and work on it themselves and self-build it with ease | 11:06 |
| jeremiah | When you say "project core", what do you mean exactly? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | there happens to be a Mer continous integration OBS which checks incoming changes, which uses same method to build Mer and publish RPMs from it | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, sec | 11:06 |
| jeremiah | What is the format of the artifacts? | 11:06 |
| jeremiah | Is it a set of git repos, packages, foo? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=packages.xml;h=5aa389a8978a9dd372aaf337bec51ce089e8b557;hb=HEAD | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | git repos containing packages | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | right now we contain tarballs too, though that's not a terribly good idea | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is extremely fork-able, for good reasons, such as making it difficult to shut down the project if a company changes it's mind.. | 11:07 |
| jeremiah | Clever | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to submit a change to Mer, you clone the git repository, submit the changes, go through public review at http://review.merproject.org and test changes | 11:08 |
| Bostik | burnt fingers.. | 11:08 |
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| Stskeeps | and it gets merged | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | only aggrement needed is the Signed-off-by process | 11:08 |
| jeremiah | Bostik: I have no idea what you're referring to. =D </sarcasm> | 11:08 |
| jeremiah | So the signed-off-by needs an email to the Mer Lead Architect? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | just sign your git commit with your name and e-mail | 11:09 |
| * jeremiah reads the review.m.o URL | 11:09 | |
| Stskeeps | try clicking All -> Open and All->Merged | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | apologies for using a meego.com url, but https://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines/signed-process explains it pretty well | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | (we should copy that to mer wiki) | 11:11 |
| jeremiah | So I know that I'm looking at gerrit, but are these issues waiting for review? | 11:12 |
| jeremiah | What is the nature of the "open" queue? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | they are issues waiting for review, some of them are going through automatic testing | 11:12 |
| jeremiah | okay | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | such as if they're breaking other packages, or failing test cases | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | then they get merged and picked up for next core release | 11:12 |
| jeremiah | Oh, that pops up in gerrit too? | 11:12 |
| jeremiah | Nice. | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | sure, let me show you a dramatic one | 11:12 |
| jeremiah | So the "core" is essentially a Linux distro. | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | basically, but suited towards mobile/smaller footprint usage | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/314 | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | we have ARMv6, ARMv7 softfp/hardfp, X86, X86 with SSSE3, MIPS ports | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | our focus is a solid base system to build products on top of along with tools to make it so | 11:14 |
| jeremiah | Okay. | 11:14 |
| jeremiah | If one wanted to add a package or technology, let's say Wayland or systemd, what is the process? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | with focus on qt/html5/qml/js performance and ease of use | 11:15 |
| jeremiah | Is there a feature request mechanism? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | you start a conversation on the mailing list / open one or more task bugs | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | and they'll get discussed in triages | 11:15 |
| jeremiah | And mailing lists are open? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes, completely | 11:15 |
| jeremiah | coll | 11:16 |
| jeremiah | Or cool rather | 11:16 |
| jeremiah | Is there a roadmap for features? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't get a satisfactory answer, we support the use case of running modified Mer as well | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | heh, yeah, that one is more difficult :) | 11:16 |
| jeremiah | Are there timed releases or do you release when "ready" | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | we work by continous integration, each of our releases are 'stable' | 11:16 |
| jeremiah | What tools do you use for CI? | 11:17 |
| jeremiah | Just the OBS? | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | currently self-made, centered around BOSS, OBS and gerrit | 11:17 |
| jeremiah | Ah | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | we have considered to move to something like jenkins | 11:17 |
| jeremiah | Its Java but seems to be widely used. | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | gerrit's java too | 11:17 |
| * jeremiah dies a little inside. | 11:18 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | but it works quite well on openjdk :) | 11:18 |
| jeremiah | yeah, that is the most important bit | 11:18 |
| jeremiah | What tools do you use to build images? | 11:18 |
| jeremiah | mic? Kiwi? | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | 'mic', not 'mic2' we collaborate and patch together with those guys still | 11:19 |
| jeremiah | How is the collaboration going? | 11:19 |
| jeremiah | mic2 is not really very portable. | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't seen any problem so far | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | mic2 isn't | 11:19 |
| jeremiah | But mic is better in that regard? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | mic's better, but we are providing a platform SDK chroot as well | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | containing useful and working tools | 11:19 |
| jeremiah | nice | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | which will also contain a scratchbox2 (not 1!) enabled SDK for building software | 11:20 |
| jeremiah | Can I look at your mic tool? I'd like to look at the man page to see if it is something we can use in GENIVI. | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's not ours, it's actually intels, but we submit patches to it | 11:20 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yeah, I've spoken to skriptripper about that. | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | as it's usable | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/jfding | 11:21 |
| jeremiah | So Intel is patching _both_ mic2 and mic? | 11:21 |
| jeremiah | Or am I confused? | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | mic2's dead | 11:21 |
| jeremiah | Ah, okay | 11:21 |
| jeremiah | Good to hear it. | 11:21 |
| jeremiah | I wanted to push it into an electrical fire | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | we're also just going on a new stage of doing mer cores as well, where we can practically target any chipset, libc and architecture with the same ease we build mer normally | 11:22 |
| jeremiah | But you need BSP stuff don't you? | 11:22 |
| jeremiah | I mean, how do you do graphics acceleration on a SABRE board for example? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | outside our scope of the project, hardware adaptations lay nicely into mer, reuse linaro ones for some stuff, others for other things.. | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | sabre is imx? | 11:23 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, iMX53 | 11:23 |
| jeremiah | So I assume you target things like dev boards? | 11:23 |
| jeremiah | Since that is easier to get various proprietary blobs onto | 11:24 |
| jeremiah | Or do you have a policy against non-free software? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | the project itself doesn't, we target architectures in general -- but people in the community does, but we try to make it easy for people to make hardware adaptations for mer | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | mer doesn't contain hardware adaptations | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | hence we don't have a lot of politics either | 11:24 |
| vgrade | jeremiah, hi, http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Community_Workspace | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | vendors in the community around it do those | 11:24 |
| slaine | Vendors create hardware adaptations, where a Vendor can be an individual, community, company.... | 11:25 |
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| jeremiah | vgrade: Hiya! | 11:25 |
| jeremiah | vgrade: Nice link. :) | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | we try to refer in mer to vendors without preferential treatment, just listing what they provide, etc | 11:26 |
| jeremiah | Okay | 11:26 |
| slaine | jeremiah: Think of it like a foundation project. Mer provides the core os and build system, you provide the kernel and UX as layers into that mix. | 11:26 |
| lbt | jeremiah: hey ... | 11:26 |
| lbt | been busy on infra so didn't catch this irc chat :) | 11:26 |
| slaine | where you == vendor and vendor described as above | 11:27 |
| lbt | yep | 11:27 |
| jeremiah | vgrade: I should test your Mer port on my TrimSlice. | 11:27 |
| jeremiah | slaine: Okay, that makes it clearer for me. :) | 11:27 |
| jeremiah | lbt: :) | 11:28 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Long time no read | 11:28 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: so you were thinking of adding things like opencv, etc. to the core or making them available from some repo? I know timakima doesn't like to do packaging so I guess I could help with that | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: outside mer core | 11:28 |
| lbt | jeremiah: indeed - we've been busy on the JFDI | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: in some kind of future UI toolbox | 11:28 |
| timoph | ack | 11:29 |
| lbt | timoph: I do see collaborative projects coming together around the merproject | 11:29 |
| slaine | jeremiah: I think it was cxl000 that did the Mer port for trimslice, been meaning to check that out myself | 11:29 |
| lbt | a small one I'm going to start is NFS .... then probably some SMB/CIFS stuff | 11:29 |
| jeremiah | Where can I get a Mer image? | 11:30 |
| lbt | jeremiah: what for? | 11:30 |
| jeremiah | Well, I guess I could use the Plasma Active one . .. | 11:30 |
| lbt | or Nemo | 11:30 |
| lbt | I have a Joggler one | 11:31 |
| jeremiah | Can I run Nemo in a VM? (I thought I saw that port . . .) | 11:31 |
| lbt | these are all 'vendor' images | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: sure, hang on | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/nemo-handset-i586-0.20120120.1.NEMO.2012-02-09.1.iso | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | ignore the "Boot Tizen" part | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | i screwed up my config ;) | 11:31 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: lbt yeah so I guess to get this moving we should start by making a obs project containing the needed libs, etc. | 11:32 |
| jeremiah | Cool, thanks | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: this uses LLVMpipe so you get gles enabled | 11:32 |
| jeremiah | nice | 11:32 |
| * jeremiah gets lunch since its lunchtime | 11:32 | |
| vgrade | jeremiah, my trimslice, plasma and qtdesktop in http://images.formeego.org/trimslice/ | 11:33 |
| timoph | I don't really have time to hack with those but will gladly do something to enable hacking with them to see what comes out of it | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:33 |
| ScriptRipper | jeremiah, wrt. to git repos, Stskeeps and me had decided to run some Mer related OBS code repos for: public OBS Mer related deployments and for allowing OBS project to merge our patches and features | 11:33 |
| lbt | timoph: for opencv ? | 11:33 |
| ScriptRipper | so OBS git repo is separate from Mer git repos | 11:34 |
| timoph | lbt: dunno what excatly is needed in addition to it | 11:34 |
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| lbt | timoph: no, I'm not sure either | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | probably just a project: repo? | 11:35 |
| timoph | and someone to police it :) | 11:36 |
| lbt | yeah - but one per lib? | 11:36 |
| lbt | I think it may need to be a bit like Apps4MeeGo | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | nah, i'd say "FutureUIToolbox" | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | kind of thing | 11:36 |
| timoph | do we have something like Mer:ExtraLibs or something? | 11:37 |
| lbt | *cough* Surrounds | 11:37 |
| * timoph intentionally avoided using that term | 11:37 | |
| timoph | :) | 11:37 |
| lbt | now why would you do that :) | 11:37 |
| lbt | jeremiah: pm'ed you when you're back | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | probably best to help it a bit along by making it a place to put demos and other nice things | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | so the purpose is to make nice demos and provide those libs | 11:38 |
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| * timoph nods | 11:38 | |
| lbt | timoph: hold that thought.... I'm off to do some work | 11:38 |
| slaine | vgrade: nice, I might check those images out later. | 11:43 |
| * timoph thinking about a Mer virtual machine image for demo purposes | 11:46 | |
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| lbt | wb phaeron :) | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | o/ phaeron | 12:01 |
| phaeron | hey everyone :) | 12:02 |
| lbt | good travelling? | 12:02 |
| phaeron | yeah ... | 12:03 |
| phaeron | well all is cool | 12:04 |
| phaeron | connection was in amsterdam's schipol airport :) | 12:05 |
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| Bostik | a rather nice place, they even have a local museum exhibit | 12:11 |
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| phaeron | nobody reads the news it seems :D | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: wasn't there a bomb scare there recently? .. | 12:18 |
| phaeron | yes .. | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: was it related to a n900 somehow? ;) | 12:18 |
| lbt | it was you! | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: so how long did they keep you for / evacuate you for | 12:19 |
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| w00t | phew | 12:20 |
| phaeron | everything was delayed for an hour. it was in a different terminal so my connection was not affected fortunately :D | 12:20 |
| w00t | I got out of there just in time I guess :P | 12:20 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: I have done that stated in "http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup" already for MeeGo1.2.0 before, and have built some source codes successfully againt this local OBS. | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok, then you probably need the fakeobs / mer delivery system stuff | 12:57 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Now when I import Mer's latest packages as repo, I use the same method of imporing MeeGo1.2.0. Then I encounter the rsync problem. When import MeeGo1.2.0, it is OK. | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes, that's because mer isn't meant to be imported like that :) | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | we use another method as meego 1.2.0's method isn't reliable | 12:59 |
| sonach | ah, good, is "http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_Delivery_System" the new method ? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | you might have to upgrade OBS packages soon to fit with our new cross compilation though | 13:00 |
| sonach | Very good, I will be delicated to it tomorrow:) | 13:00 |
| sonach | hmm, It doesn't matther. I think I should try it ASAP to gain some insight about this. When OBS packages are upgraded, I will upgrade. | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:01 |
| sonach | We should try our best to keep up with Mer's advance:) | 13:02 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Can you tell me how many hard disk GBs needed to setup MDS? Or Whether Can I finish it within one day with 100Mb network bandwidth? | 13:05 |
| sonach | 100Mb-->1Mb... | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i think that you will only need i586 and armv7l port, so i will help you tomorrow so it only downloads those. source code is 1.7gb (once downloaded don't have to download much but source updates), ARM and X86 binaries to build against is 713mb each | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | per release | 13:07 |
| sonach | 1.7g bits or bytes? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | bytes | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | you don't technically need to download sources but it's very useful | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | *** ^^^ (just something for the logs as there was something important there) | 13:08 |
| sonach | yes, you are right, sources are useful. Later, we may need to look into some source codes to debug and disscuss with you. | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:10 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: in fact, I only need armv7l port for the moment, so maybe it is not necessary for me to download i586 port? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i would recommend i586 because you get much faster feedback on if software doesn't build | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | it's simply a performance during development thing :) | 13:12 |
| sonach | OK, no problem! | 13:12 |
| sonach | "i will help you tomorrow so it only downloads those" means that: I have difficulities to download i586 and armv7l only refer to the MDS wiki? | 13:13 |
| sonach | If so, I can install all the needed tools tomorrow morning. And tomorrow afternoon(morning for you...) I do the download stuff. | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | it means it will try to grab everything right now | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | that would work | 13:15 |
| sonach | hmm, may be I can grab sources first; when grab binaries, wait for your help? | 13:17 |
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| sonach | Anyway, I will do necessary preparations tomorrow morning:) | 13:18 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, what do we have agreed with the OBS SUSE folks about SB2 and other fixes merge ? | 13:22 |
| ScriptRipper | can I merge it now into my internal test branch ? | 13:23 |
| ScriptRipper | and what about phaeron fix for prj linking ? had that been discussed with them ? | 13:25 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_Build FYI | 13:25 |
| ScriptRipper | is that really fixing a bug ? is it a good idea to change behavior of existing prj linking options ? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | right, merproject/ is used to build the obs packages for mer deployments, i think people should have individual git repos that they submit to OBS for | 13:25 |
| lbt | I'm currently deploying that to a new mer c.obs | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: it fixes a very typical use case | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i will be submitting sb2-obs from stskeeps/ | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | as it's a mess to take from a combined effort place like merproject/ | 13:27 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt: is it really a good idea to not use original os 11.4 / 12.1 pkgs where possible ? they had done security bug fixes for those also | 13:29 |
| phaeron | ScriptRipper: I discussed with Adrian and he agrees to the change. it seems to be the intended behavior anyway and he thought it was already implmeneted like that. | 13:29 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: yes :) | 13:30 |
| lbt | I am not installing packages and then patching them | 13:30 |
| ScriptRipper | phaeron. ok, if its a bug fix so to say then I pick it up | 13:30 |
| lbt | if we want non-standard obs installed then we have to package from our git | 13:30 |
| lbt | ideally we'll be tracking upstream releases and rebasing | 13:30 |
| ScriptRipper | that was my question: I would start to merge upstream for this branch | 13:31 |
| lbt | yeah - that's a MINT team issue | 13:31 |
| ScriptRipper | I also have some more fixes for that branch | 13:31 |
| lbt | with my sysadmin hat on I just use their packages | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i think it's best to send pull requests from our individual branches, we can help verify things work in Merproject/ i guess | 13:32 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt, what do you mean ? orig 11.4 / 12.1 pkg | 13:32 |
| lbt | no, the MINT ones | 13:32 |
| ScriptRipper | and only those not in orig repo use from openSUSE:Tools ? | 13:32 |
| lbt | I *only* zypper ar http://repo.pub.meego.com//Mer:/OBS:/Testing/openSUSE_11.4/Mer:OBS:Testing.repo | 13:33 |
| lbt | it's then up to MINT to keep that current | 13:33 |
| lbt | and notify me when to pull | 13:33 |
| ScriptRipper | ok, I also do it like that im my deployments, otherwise it gets tricky | 13:33 |
| lbt | yeah - it's a PITA having to copy loads of packages - but at least this way they only change occasionally | 13:34 |
| lbt | we also need to do snapshots of the repos to allow reinstall | 13:34 |
| lbt | and I need to share what snapshot each installation is runnin | 13:35 |
| lbt | g | 13:35 |
| lbt | we have 3 main ones | 13:35 |
| lbt | meego cobs, mer ci and now mer cobs | 13:35 |
| lbt | plus home installations | 13:35 |
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| lbt | and sonach is going to install obs too iirc | 13:35 |
| lbt | and here he is :) | 13:35 |
| sonach | lbt: yes:) | 13:36 |
| lbt | we were just discussing managing the system deployments | 13:36 |
| lbt | I'll be using the Mer branch of OBS for meego c.obs, mer ci obs and the new mer c.obs. I think ScriptRipper will do that too and I suggest you try it too | 13:37 |
| sonach | hmm, I don't quite understand the three xxx obs... | 13:39 |
| lbt | meego c.obs is : https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 13:40 |
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| lbt | mer ci OBS is semi-private for now | 13:40 |
| lbt | new mer c.obs will be like the meego one someday soon | 13:40 |
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| lbt | c.obs means "community obs" and is for everyone to use and collaborate on | 13:41 |
| sonach | lbt: what's the main difference between mer ci OBS and mer c.obs? | 13:41 |
| lbt | mer ci.obs has no external users on it | 13:41 |
| sonach | lbt: Maybe I don't understand the "semi-private" term... | 13:41 |
| lbt | it's more secure | 13:41 |
| lbt | we would like to find a way to allow people to browse it | 13:42 |
| lbt | but no-one actually builds code on there | 13:42 |
| lbt | except the automated systems | 13:42 |
| lbt | so whenever a patch is sent to review | 13:42 |
| lbt | the automated systems build it on ci-obs and check it builds OK | 13:43 |
| lbt | then they (will soon) build an image and make sure it builds | 13:43 |
| lbt | and then (eventually ) it is flashed to a device and tested | 13:43 |
| lbt | if all that is OK | 13:43 |
| lbt | the change is accepted | 13:44 |
| lbt | so we don't let messy humans go anywhere near it :) | 13:44 |
| lbt | does that make sense? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps you explain 'obs instance' too.. | 13:45 |
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| lbt | yeah | 13:45 |
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| lbt | an obs instance is just a deployment .... | 13:46 |
| sonach_ | So, what I will try is the new mer c.obs? | 13:46 |
| lbt | so c.obs is a deployment | 13:46 |
| lbt | like a web service | 13:46 |
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| lbt | you can have your own deployment in your company | 13:47 |
| lbt | using the same server code | 13:47 |
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| sonach | oh, mer ci obs and mer's c.obs exists at the same time, mer ci obs is for automated building, and mer's c.obs is exposed to public? | 13:51 |
| lbt | yes, exactly | 13:51 |
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| lbt | because we are an open project we want to open ci-obs to public view. But we are also aware that binaries come from there and end up in products. So it's very sensitive | 13:52 |
| sonach | When I setup my local OBS, is it similar to "mer ci obs" or "mer c.obs"? | 13:53 |
| sonach | yes, since the binaries come from ci obs, it should be secure:) | 13:53 |
| lbt | yes | 13:53 |
| lbt | they're not really that different. The main things are access control; project layout and user authentication | 13:54 |
| lbt | eg I use LDAP on the community one | 13:54 |
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| sonach | ok, thank you for detailed explanation. I will try this in the next few days:) | 13:55 |
| lbt | no problem. In general I can help with all the build and automation systems. | 13:56 |
| * lbt will be back soon -> off to buy some milk | 13:56 | |
| sonach | Very good!! | 13:57 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Ravensun | 14:04 |
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| Ravensun | Stskeeps: Hello. | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | Ravensun: welcome - so what brings you to this place? | 14:05 |
| Ravensun | Stskeeps: I have one question. Is Mer other firmware? or it is second GUI after boot? | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Ravensun: so, do you know the Linux kernel? think of Mer as the core for other software to build upon, just like people build things on top of Linux kernel | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | so people put UIs on top of Mer, adapt it to certain hardware | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | and make that into a product | 14:08 |
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| lbt | back ... coffee on | 14:38 |
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| Ravensun | Stskeeps: a Little know what linux kernel is | 14:53 |
| Ravensun | Stskeeps: so if I understand well, Mer is kernel? | 14:55 |
| lbt | Ravensun: Mer sits between the kernel and the UI | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is kind of software that can be the core of products | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: we need diagrams | 14:56 |
| matrixx | Mer - The Shiniest Core ;) | 14:56 |
| Ravensun | Stskeeps: I see. | 14:57 |
| slaine | Oooo, shiny | 14:57 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: yes ... I have some | 14:59 |
| slaine | Ravensun: In simple reductionist term, from our perspective, a Product is made up of modules. The Linux kernel and drivers for a hardware platform, A Core OS to run the whole system, an a UX layer for interaction that sites on top of the Core OS and Kernel. | 14:59 |
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| slaine | We're providing the Core OS and Tools that allow someone to make a "product" where they provide the Kernel and UX parts. | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | i see we're getting slaine trained well to spread the good word of Mer ;) | 15:00 |
| slaine | Now, it's possible to mix and match to a certain degree, see armv7, x86 Kernels and Nemo UX | 15:00 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: lol, I've not time for anything else, I may as well help where I can :) | 15:01 |
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| lbt | it's good to see how other people explain Mer | 15:02 |
| Ravensun | Thanks to all for lecture :) | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | no problme | 15:03 |
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| slaine | I guess the next question is, Am I giving out good explanations or should I shut the hell up | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | i have no objections | 15:06 |
| AWasisto | Sorry, I want to ask about dialy updates. Are qt-components updated in the newest version of Mer? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | AWasisto: we don't carry qt-components but they should run fine on top of Mer directly, Nemo has it and we're looking into upgrading tem | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | (we noticed too they're a bit, erm, old) | 15:08 |
| AWasisto | Thanks... :) | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | what do you hope to use them for? | 15:09 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: well, three months old. that is actually not so bad and actually working quite fine. | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:11 |
| AWasisto | Nothing... | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | alright - i do on occasion ponder if qt-components belong in core or not | 15:15 |
| veskuh | They would pull maliit and other things to work correctly | 15:16 |
| veskuh | So core would move more and more to UI side | 15:16 |
| veskuh | I'm not saying that it is bad, it just wouldnt be as generic as it is now. | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, good point | 15:21 |
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| slaine | Personally, I don't think qt should be in the core either. Unless it's a stripped down console only version of qt | 15:46 |
| slaine | A mer reference UX that boots to QtDesktop with QMLViewer and QtWidget/JS stuff is ideal for that. | 15:47 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt, wrt to http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_Build, dont we need also an own version of osc at the moment ? | 15:48 |
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| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting | 15:49 |
| vgrade | can people see this https://cacoo.com/diagrams/kbbRiJSBNXidFAOm? | 15:50 |
| vgrade | can people see this https://cacoo.com/diagrams/kbbRiJSBNXidFAOm | 15:50 |
| lbt | I can see the second one but not the first ... | 15:50 |
| lbt | they should be concentric | 15:51 |
| lbt | like a rainbow wheel where you line them up to make a product :) | 15:51 |
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| lbt | cool tool though | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo robtaylor | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | hello thanhtung285 :) | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | despite all appearances, i am -not- a bot | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:23 |
| odin__ | invalid response, please try again, turing test failure | 16:24 |
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| lbt | it seems I'm very good at finding failure modes | 17:12 |
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| * lbt notes that python <3 doesn't support TLS/SNI :( | 18:45 | |
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| slaine | Sigh, still at work breaking things | 20:05 |
| slaine | think I should go to the pub | 20:06 |
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| iekku | if the breaking isn't testing, then it's best if you leave work and come back after good night sleep | 20:07 |
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| slaine | iekku: exactly | 20:08 |
| slaine | I'm flip/flopping between stuff that always worked breaking from minor changes that shouldn't affect it to wondering how certain things ever works at all | 20:09 |
| slaine | time to go | 20:09 |
| slaine | see you tomorrow guys | 20:09 |
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| cxl000 | jeremiah, slaine: I have not completed integrate of the 2.01 trimslice drop and hardfp drivers are not yet released. The 1.03 drop has both hardfp and softfp but the nvidia drivers have a bug that effects egl context selection. there is a workaround which would need to be applied to each application. | 21:13 |
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| yavkata | hi, does anyone now how to specify which modules to load at boot? there's no /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf... | 21:44 |
| beford | modprobe.d ? | 21:44 |
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| beford | check if there is /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf in mer yavkata , I don't have any image at hand | 21:45 |
| yavkata | there's modprobe.d, but not modprobe.conf inside.. if I create it, it should be read during boot, right? | 21:47 |
| vgrade | sa | 21:50 |
| vgrade | etc/modules-load.d/*.conf for systemd | 21:50 |
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| yavkata | thanks :) | 21:54 |
| beford | why they keep changing stuff :C I didn' know systemd did the module loading thing | 21:54 |
| yavkata | well, I hope it's for the better | 21:55 |
| yavkata | I succeeded in booting nemo on n9 | 21:55 |
| yavkata | using these instructions http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt | 21:55 |
| yavkata | but it seems like some modules are not loaded at boot | 21:55 |
| yavkata | I can load them manually, but.. I need to load them at boot | 21:56 |
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