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| Khaled | did everyone see the post on engadget? | 04:45 |
| wmarone | yes | 04:46 |
| Khaled | thats just awesome although the spark tablet is by far the worst | 04:48 |
| Khaled | but the idea is awesome | 04:48 |
| Khaled | but it bugs me that everyone is trying to get into the tablet space | 04:49 |
| Khaled | instead of focusing on phones first | 04:49 |
| wmarone | phones are much harder to do | 04:49 |
| Khaled | why is that u dont have the ipad as a monopoly | 04:49 |
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| wmarone | the iPad isn't relevant to the discussion | 04:50 |
| wmarone | phones generally need the baseband integrated into the board, along with all the other supporting hardware | 04:50 |
| wmarone | and those are wrapped under thick layers of NDAs and patent licenses | 04:50 |
| wmarone | among other problems | 04:50 |
| wmarone | tablets are much easier, and that's why there are so many chinese ODMs whose products can legally be imported | 04:51 |
| wmarone | (though they should be illegal to import due to GPL violations) | 04:51 |
| Khaled | the spark is running plasma active? | 04:51 |
| wmarone | yes, that's why the project EXISTS | 04:51 |
| Khaled | well plasma is based on kde which just feels like a cheap circuss to me | 04:52 |
| wmarone | so make a new theme | 04:52 |
| Khaled | I mean it is way overdesigned and compilated | 04:52 |
| Khaled | compilacated* | 04:52 |
| Khaled | I am still rooting for nemo mobile | 04:53 |
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| Stskeeps | keep ui politics out of here, we all have to work together, please | 05:26 |
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| boar | you dont have to use KDe.. | 05:52 |
| boar | o Illume, or Matchbox.. or anything you donty like | 05:52 |
| boar | its all about a maximized firefox or chromium instance and some trivial switcher to xterm, imo | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | still, it's not really useful to verbally attack UIs in here since some of those people are represented here and we intentionally don't work together on UIs, but on core instead :) | 05:54 |
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| timoph | morn | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | morn timoph | 06:47 |
| timoph | I was pondering on the bus what would be to good sdk task to work during the evenings this week | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 06:50 |
| timoph | like where to continue | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | documentation, documentation.. ;) | 06:52 |
| timoph | :) | 06:52 |
| timoph | I was thinking of playing around with image creation | 06:53 |
| timoph | since that didn't really work for me last time I tried | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that too | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | other things can be booting vms perhaps | 06:54 |
| timoph | hmmh. that should be interesting | 06:54 |
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| Stskeeps | morn sonach | 06:58 |
| sonach | morning:) | 06:58 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: How are the platform SDK stuff going? | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: quite good actually | 07:00 |
| sonach | I think I should have one if it is ready, | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think you'd have to wait for lbt to wake up, he was playing with it | 07:00 |
| timoph | do we have ready build rootfs from the sdk ks that lbt did? | 07:01 |
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| Stskeeps | i haven't seen one, hence why i'm waiting for lbt ;) | 07:02 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I can build my source code in Platform SDK, not necessarily go to COBS and build against COBS, right? | 07:02 |
| timoph | :) | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: that's the general idea, we're not quite there yet | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: some pieces has to fall into place first | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | but at least we can do sane image building | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | ie, with 'mic' instead of 'mic2', etc | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | correct qemu | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | and so on | 07:03 |
| timoph | the sb2 stuff in the sdk needs some love from someone who really knows how it works | 07:04 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i guess that'll be me | 07:04 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: that is quite good:) When will the build-source-code-in-PlatformSDK stuff be ready then? | 07:04 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: yep :p | 07:04 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: i'm hoping we can start experimenting with it early this week | 07:05 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I am considering whether to setup an OBS locally, since sometimes the network connection to COBS is not very good.... | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yeah, i can understand that | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | for a bigger team a local obs is important | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | as in, above 2-3 people | 07:06 |
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| timoph | jukkaeklund: morning o/ | 07:06 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: If the build-source-code-in-platformSDK stuff will be ready soon, I think it is no need to setup a local OBS. | 07:06 |
| jukkaeklund | mornah | 07:07 |
| sonach | glad to hear "we can start experimenting with it early this week":) | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i disagree, while build source in platform sdk is good, it's not useful for a product process -- you will want to have developers use platform sdk and then upload results to obs for making releases | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: but i hope we can document that practice a bit better when platform sdk is there | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | do you know the expression 'it does not scale'? | 07:08 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: not very understand "it does not scale"... | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, basically, when you move from 1 developer to 5 or to 10, the platform sdk concept starts showing problems if it's the only way people make packages to install to a device | 07:10 |
| timoph | yep. I see it being helpfull mostly for individual developers | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: things like not making sure dependencies in packages are correct because my local platform SDK has them installed always, that it's difficult to make the same build again on another machine, and so on | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | so that's where OBS comes in :) | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | because it solves those problems | 07:11 |
| sonach | OK, I see:) | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | we learnt this the hard way in old mer, we ended up with something that was totally unmaintainable and took us several months to fix | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | and on occasion, source codes that had simply disappeared | 07:13 |
| Sage_ | alien_: I have xbmc packages in home:sage:xbmc in cobs, the 11.x version isn't compiling atm. but the older 10.1 is there | 07:14 |
| sonach | hmm, it is a valuable experience... | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: so a developer method will be: develop software in platform sdk, build, install into device, then submit sources to OBS and it will be included in 'official' release | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | that can be installed on a device | 07:16 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: good way! | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: ah, another piece for the documentation: repo generation (createrepo) | 07:17 |
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| Stskeeps | taking your built rpms and making them available to mic to install | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | or a remote device | 07:21 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: true. I forgot totally that repo creation/hosting was one of the requirements | 07:21 |
| timoph | so we'll need lighttpd or something there | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, mic can do file:/// repos too | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | but still | 07:23 |
| timoph | yep | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1iYRkYtyxA <- linux action show with spark | 07:29 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: I find that on my board, when uxlaunch is not started, Mer consumes 45MB memory. It is what you expected? | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: with or without cache? | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | (free -m) | 07:33 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: When qtmediahub is started by uxlaunch, Mer consumes 120MB memory, | 07:33 |
| sonach | total used free shared buffers cached | 07:34 |
| sonach | Mem: 121 45 76 0 0 20 | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | need the -/+ buffers/cache line | 07:34 |
| sonach | -/+ buffers/cache: 24 97 | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | so 24mb usage, with 20 mb cached (doesn't have to go into NAND and read it) | 07:36 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: ah, i see:) | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | i misunderstood those messages for a lot of years :) | 07:37 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: one releated question. while jffs2 is compressed, when it is mounted to /, is the whole jffs2 uncompressed to memory? If not, why do I can visit all the contents of rootfs? If yes, why the memory is not consumed? | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: no, it uncompresses when it reads the daa | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | data | 07:39 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: when I do "sync", recompress and write back to NAND? | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | i would recommend you to investigate looking into ubifs some day though | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | but right now it's not needed | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html has jffs2 vs ubifs discussion | 07:41 |
| sonach | OK, I will do some research on ubifs! | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | it is just a much saner approach, and faster to boot up, etc | 07:42 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: +1 for ubi | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: it really seems to me that ubifs hasn't been introduced very well to the far east embedded companies | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | i see jffs, yaffs2 etc quite in use | 07:43 |
| sonach | :) | 07:43 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: well, the french embedded ones use it :) | 07:43 |
| _av500_ | or rather used it | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:44 |
| dm8tbr | they used ubi to store cramfs files ;) | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | filesystem inception? | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:45 |
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| _av500_ | only for rootfs | 07:49 |
| _av500_ | dm8tbr: what woke you uo? :) | 07:50 |
| _av500_ | up | 07:50 |
| dm8tbr | _av500_: just quickly checking a few things before going to sleep | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: https://malgudi.org/~muks/tmp/hildon-desktop3.ogg is cool | 08:30 |
| Sage_ | that is nice | 08:31 |
| vgrade | morning | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 08:34 |
| timoph | the linux action show bit about spark is good | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | at least they mention mer, which is good | 08:38 |
| timoph | yep | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | mindshare++ | 08:39 |
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| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_ | 08:40 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 08:40 |
| vgrade | morning mdfe_ | 08:41 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 08:41 |
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| mdfe_ | the fosdem flu hit me as well | 08:42 |
| matrixx | :( | 08:42 |
| matrixx | I had a fevery feeling on monday, but I guess it was just jetlag/hangover/sleep deprivation | 08:43 |
| vgrade | I've just about recovered | 08:43 |
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| lbt | morning | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:50 |
| lbt | sdk is looking OK - have osc working and mic kinda works | 08:51 |
| lbt | need to add psutils as a requires (for fuser) | 08:51 |
| lbt | also having small zypper issues | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | sonach would like to try it out at least | 08:51 |
| lbt | "Target initialization failed: Failed to cache rpm database" | 08:51 |
| chouchoune | hello | 08:52 |
| lbt | yes, saw that | 08:52 |
| lbt | also mic runs as root | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | normal | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | sadly | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to move it to sb2 eventually | 08:53 |
| lbt | and mer doesn't have sudo | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | tools.. | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:53 |
| lbt | indeed - so just working out what's needed | 08:53 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3372466 | 08:54 |
| lbt | fyi | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:54 |
| lbt | yaml : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=00sdk.yaml&package=sdk-kickstarter-configs&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting&srcmd5=d0c7359c2d73762f8c72901fe551bbfa | 08:57 |
| * timoph added placeholder sections for packaging and hosting repos to the sdk wiki | 08:57 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, but don't bother with mic2 imho | 08:57 |
| lbt | oh yes, not deleted it there | 08:58 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: is gplv3 ok for swig package? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes, only used for build | 09:07 |
| * Sage_ is shooting random package updates again ;) | 09:09 | |
| Stskeeps | no problem | 09:10 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: Package had unsatisified dependancies on Core_i586, awarding 0 as this may be a fluke not seen in localdep testing <- what was this again? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | means you have 'unresolvable' | 09:21 |
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| Sage_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=pcre&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl <- hmmp... | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | which package? | 09:22 |
| Sage_ | pcre | 09:22 |
| Sage_ | http://review.merproject.org/#change,400 | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | wth :P | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | Core_i486 works fine though | 09:23 |
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| Stskeeps | let me look at process | 09:23 |
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| slaine | thats better | 09:27 |
| slaine | how'd the SDK weekend go ? | 09:27 |
| slaine | :) | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/index.php?title=Platform_SDK&curid=85&diff=960&oldid=937 at least | 09:31 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: Package had unsatisified dependancies on Core_i486, awarding 0 as this may be a fluke not seen in localdep testing :) | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: what the heck | 09:34 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: i486 works fine? :) | 09:34 |
| lbt | slaine: it's looking pretty good | 09:35 |
| * Stskeeps tries to catch it in the act | 09:35 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: urgh | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | nothing provides libpcre.so.0 needed by grep | 09:35 |
| Sage_ | uh, circular dep | 09:37 |
| Sage_ | ok, need to check if we can get out of that somehow | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | or provide backwards compatibility | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.linux-archive.org/development-discussions-related-fedora-devel-lists-fedoraproject-org/630793-pcre-8-30-will-break-api.html | 09:43 |
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| Sage_ | seanvk_: The pcre_info() function, which has been obsolete for over 10 years, | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | err... Stskeeps | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | The pcre_info() function, which has been obsolete for over 10 years, | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | has been removed. | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | quite long time :) | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: how can I get that error happening to my own build? | 10:25 |
| Sage_ | branched grep to same project and it started to compile straight away | 10:26 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: also here better message would be nice http://qtl.merproject.org/eb5f7868-5627-11e1-a924-00163e6e0038.html | 10:31 |
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| Sage_ | ok, now I see it :) | 10:32 |
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| Sage_ | This compat for pcre is quite nasty hack | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:55 |
| Sage_ | http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=pcre.git;a=blob;f=pcre.spec;h=4e5d22195b7209902cf67aa662414054c98a406c;hb=HEAD#l93 | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | the other way is introducing an old pcre-compat source package | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | temporarily | 10:56 |
| Sage_ | I'm adding -compat package for pcre with that old binary | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:56 |
| Sage_ | lets see if that helps for builds | 10:56 |
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| Sage_ | in the end we should not need it for long | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:58 |
| Sage_ | at least in theory after recompiling stuff it should not be needed | 10:58 |
| Sage_ | when gerrit builds a package does it bootstrap it from scratch? | 11:01 |
| Sage_ | or use existing package | 11:01 |
| Sage_ | *S | 11:01 |
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| Stskeeps | oh dear fucking god | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://tizenlog.pl/2012/02/12/mamy-pierwsze-zdjecie-tabletu-z-systemem-tizen/ | 11:02 |
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| Sage_ | google translator link prolly? :) | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | that picture is a joke :) | 11:04 |
| Sage_ | I know :) | 11:04 |
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| Sage_ | people don't read too much just check pictures :P | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | no shit | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | it does give me some ideas on how to do marketing, though | 11:07 |
| Sage_ | isn't that wetab? :) | 11:07 |
| Sage_ | or exopc | 11:07 |
| Sage_ | in the image that is | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | exopc | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's actually nemo with tizen in a chroot ;) | 11:07 |
| Sage_ | :P | 11:08 |
| Sage_ | gerrit picks up the changed patchset and automatically starts to rebuild right? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | right | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | and stops the old one | 11:08 |
| Sage_ | ok. lets see if the fix works. | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not terribly happy with the fix because what happens if pcre.0 is gone? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:09 |
| Sage_ | crash? ;) | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm-hmm | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:09 |
| Sage_ | oh, actually that fix is not valid :P | 11:10 |
| Sage_ | pcre requires the -compat for build :P | 11:10 |
| * Sage_ goes to fix | 11:10 | |
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| Sage_ | I wanted to make it separate package just to make sure it will not be installed by default | 11:13 |
| Sage_ | so we can get rid of it asap | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:13 |
| Sage_ | +BuildRequires: /lib/libpcre.so.0 | 11:15 |
| Sage_ | X) | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god no | 11:15 |
| Sage_ | either that or make it ship within the default package | 11:15 |
| Sage_ | now it is dependency only during build time and not during -devel install e.g. | 11:15 |
| Sage_ | build time for pcre only | 11:15 |
| Sage_ | and compat for old binaries that actually dep on it and haven't been rebuild | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think OBS does buildrequires or files but i might be wrong | 11:16 |
| Sage_ | at least local build worked | 11:16 |
| Sage_ | anyway I think we can actually phase it out within one release | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:16 |
| Sage_ | after everything is rebuild against .1 then we can patch it out | 11:17 |
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| Sage_ | vendors migth notice pain if they don't rebuild and just trying to change core but that should be all | 11:17 |
| Sage_ | pah, obs really can't do file based deps :/ | 11:19 |
| Sage_ | local build works but obs doesn't | 11:19 |
| Sage_ | so need to merge within same package | 11:19 |
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| Stskeeps | Mer bug triage in 5 minutes in #mer-meeting | 11:55 |
| ScriptRipper | Sage_: you can check the buildinfo to see if some requirement works or not | 11:58 |
| ScriptRipper | even for local build the buildinfo is from the server | 11:58 |
| Sage_ | ScriptRipper: oh, ok. | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | bug triage starting in #mer-meeting | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hello boombox_ | 12:12 |
| boombox_ | hello | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | welcome - so what brings you to this place? | 12:14 |
| boombox_ | are there any guides on how to install mer on an asus tranformer tab? i saw its possible on your wiki, but the only documentation i found were some images | 12:15 |
| RaYmAn | Do you have an early (less than B70) Transformer? if not, it's possible, but kind of annoying :P | 12:21 |
| RaYmAn | note: I haven't tried myself yet, but it's usually easier with custom OS if you can do nvflash. | 12:21 |
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| boombox_ | it's a B60 | 12:24 |
| boombox_ | i'm reading the documentation on installing ubuntu on it, is it any similar to installing mer? | 12:26 |
| RaYmAn | depending on how you want to install it, then yes, probably | 12:36 |
| slaine | Did anything ever happen with the MeeGo Tablet UX ? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: i think acer dropped the programme tbh | 12:39 |
| boombox_ | is there any documentation about this? i am pretty clueless atm, what possibilities of installing it exist? | 12:39 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I'd forgotten all about it 'til I read the year in review on mwkn | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: i think the biggest lesson was that it's entirely possible to make something that remotely looks like a product in very short time with qml | 12:42 |
| slaine | it was pretty usable | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | as in, way below 6 months | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | and they even did their own components set | 12:43 |
| slaine | nod | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | did you see Cascades? | 12:43 |
| slaine | It was all open thought right ? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but closed graphics | 12:43 |
| slaine | Nope, I've seen it mentioned but wasn't aware of what it was exactly | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKu0aVBHgQ | 12:43 |
| slaine | ta | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | RIM's QML based framework | 12:44 |
| slaine | very nice | 12:46 |
| Sage_ | was there macro for /bin/ ? /usr/bin/ was %{_bindir} | 12:54 |
| Sage_ | just %{_bin} ? | 12:54 |
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| Stskeeps | /bin has to be specifically specified i think | 12:55 |
| jonnor_work | Stskeeps, how do you know it is QML? | 12:55 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: should also grep point to /bin/grep instead? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: ideally yes | 12:56 |
| w00t | jonnor_work: because I was there talking to them (and they also actually showed a brief snippet of it) | 12:56 |
| jonnor_work | w00t, are they planning to use Qt in their smartphones or just the tablets? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://openbbnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/qt-comes-to-qnx/ | 12:57 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: what about the moving whole system under /usr/ thing that fedora did, will we do similar at somepoint? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: not against it | 12:57 |
| w00t | jonnor_work: cascades is part of blackberry 10, they haven't actually talked about what devices they're putting it on, but i'd suspect both | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: file a task bug | 12:58 |
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| jonnor_work | w00t, ok. Interesting | 12:58 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: just wondering mainly that this kind of patch for gawk to /bin/awk is thing that fails if usr move like fedora is done | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: urgh | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we need a task bug to explore this.. | 12:59 |
| Sage_ | done | 13:00 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: there is new prelink that is supposed to work out of the box on arm as well btw | 13:13 |
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| Sage_ | first part of your patch has been added to upstream but rest of the things not. | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: cross prelink one? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | or fedora | 13:16 |
| Sage_ | there is different prelinks? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | there's two, i think | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | one that can be done on host to target, one that runs in target | 13:17 |
| Sage_ | the one that url is in .spec file :) | 13:17 |
| Sage_ | http://people.redhat.com/jakub/prelink/ | 13:17 |
| Sage_ | is that the right one or wrong? Should fix the URL's properly | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | that's the upstream, yeah | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | there's also cross prelink | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | in yocto | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 13:19 |
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| Sage_ | but we are supposed to use the upstream? | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm inclined towards cross prelink a bit | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | but i haven't studied that too deepily | 13:23 |
| Sage_ | hmmp... pcre fails now again | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: CFE/CBE, do we have a schedule for that package testing? | 13:35 |
| lbt | this afternoon | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:35 |
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| alh | Stskeeps: Lol, are you saying there's something wrong with my abstract? ;) | 13:54 |
| alh | Or it's more the "Crap now I have to deliver that" | 13:55 |
| alh | ^^ | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | alh: hehe | 13:55 |
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| lbt | so zypper ref in a mer chroot has a problem | 14:12 |
| lbt | Target initialization failed: | 14:12 |
| lbt | Failed to cache rpm database (132). | 14:12 |
| lbt | [ | 14:12 |
| lbt | I removed the __00.db files and did an rpm --rebuilddb | 14:13 |
| lbt | also made a /etc/product.d/ dir | 14:13 |
| lbt | based on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=424365 | 14:13 |
| lbt | I think I'm using 'latest' | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | x86 target? | 14:14 |
| lbt | yes | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | ssse3? | 14:15 |
| lbt | hmmm - I thought I specified 486 | 14:15 |
| lbt | could be | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | is the cpu ssse3 able or not | 14:15 |
| lbt | no | 14:15 |
| lbt | is there a check I can run to verify | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | 'does zypper fail' | 14:16 |
| lbt | ROFL | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | i wish i was kidding | 14:16 |
| lbt | OK | 14:16 |
| lbt | /bin/merinfo | 14:16 |
| lbt | I'll check that - I could easily have made an sssssssse3 root | 14:18 |
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| lbt | ah ,,, IMG had i586 | 14:21 |
| lbt | and I used the IMG version of course | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | in a moment you'll hit rock hard into that mic2 has issues with 'i486' | 14:21 |
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| lbt | gah | 14:22 |
| lbt | mic is almost running in SDK | 14:22 |
| lbt | maybe I can bootstrap a 486 using mic in a 586 sdk | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | would be good if you could | 14:23 |
| lbt | not mic2 | 14:23 |
| Sage_ | lbt: how much deps does that mic have? | 14:23 |
| lbt | dunno but it misses fuser | 14:24 |
| lbt | psutils | 14:24 |
| Sage_ | as in runtime or packaging time? | 14:24 |
| lbt | runtime | 14:24 |
| lbt | nano: command not found | 14:25 |
| lbt | good job I have bind mount | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | really | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | it uses nano? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:25 |
| lbt | no, I tried to edit the ks inside sdk | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:25 |
| lbt | can you add a couple of small notes on ttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming | 14:28 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | there's no <arch>i486> | 14:29 |
| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/i486/packages/ | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | that's not an obs arch | 14:29 |
| lbt | hence the need for some small notes... :D :D :D | 14:29 |
| lbt | as in ... WTF is going on in that twisted mind of yours? | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | well, you can ask obs guys about the scheduler names | 14:30 |
| lbt | and I know ... it's a side effect of working on a perl based OBS .... | 14:30 |
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| lbt | I wouldn't mind hacking at scheduler names in OBS | 14:31 |
| lbt | it's massively confusing | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's a rabbithole | 14:32 |
| lbt | yeah I have kinda avoided it | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm considering to add 'target' and 'host' and call it a day | 14:33 |
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| lbt | why does rpm ignore -f | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | because it won't let you shoot yourself in the foot | 14:35 |
| lbt | it's my foot | 14:35 |
| Sage_ | ;) | 14:35 |
| lbt | # rpm --force | 14:36 |
| lbt | rpm: only installation and upgrading may be forced | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | what are you trying to force? | 14:36 |
| lbt | rpm --force -i psutils-1.17-1.7.i586.rpm | 14:36 |
| lbt | error: Failed dependencies: | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | --nodeps | 14:36 |
| Sage_ | force just overrides old packages on top of new ones | 14:37 |
| Sage_ | or at least I don't know what else it does :P | 14:37 |
| lbt | Sage_: ta - so the error message is buggy? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | --nodeps doesn't require force | 14:37 |
| lbt | "only installation ... may be forced" | 14:37 |
| Sage_ | yes installation not overriding deps ;) | 14:37 |
| lbt | but.... but.... why would that need forcing ...? | 14:38 |
| * Sage_ has been wondering that himself as well at times | 14:38 | |
| lbt | nm ... I'll port apt | 14:38 |
| Sage_ | lbt: installing older version on top of newer | 14:38 |
| lbt | works now though ... ta | 14:38 |
| lbt | *sigh* | 14:39 |
| lbt | our psutils doesn't have fuser | 14:39 |
| lbt | psmisc... | 14:40 |
| lbt | "KeyError: 'no such column: downloadSize'" | 14:41 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: you can always do zypper install /sbin/fuser etc. | 14:42 |
| lbt | I'm doing this because zypper is dead | 14:43 |
| lbt | :( | 14:43 |
| lbt | non ssse3 machine | 14:43 |
| Sage_ | oh | 14:43 |
| * lbt curses the Mer default | 14:43 | |
| lbt | and the downloadSize may be due to mic not needing --pkgmgr=yum | 14:44 |
| lbt | now : Exception AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 'px_proxy_factory_free'" in <bound method ProxyFactory.__del__ of <libproxy.ProxyFactory object at 0x8a30e4c>> ignored | 14:44 |
| Sage_ | lbt: mic? | 14:45 |
| lbt | yeah | 14:45 |
| Sage_ | lbt: and what version of mic? | 14:45 |
| lbt | Mer:Tools:Testing | 14:45 |
| lbt | 0.4 | 14:45 |
| Sage_ | ok, well I haven't had that kind of issue myself so far for mic 0.4 | 14:46 |
| Sage_ | there is 0.5 version apparently out as well | 14:47 |
| Sage_ | haven't tried that though | 14:47 |
| lbt | should mic have Info: Use detected arch i586. and Info: zypp architecture is <i586> | 14:48 |
| Sage_ | at least mic2 had that kind of things | 14:48 |
| Sage_ | ps. I haven't used zypp backend for mic as it haven't been workin so well | 14:49 |
| Sage_ | used --pkgmgr=yum always | 14:49 |
| lbt | this is where the mer 486 and 586 are confusing | 14:49 |
| lbt | pkgmgr=yum on mic too? | 14:49 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 14:50 |
| Sage_ | the --help functionality with mic is a bit confusing | 14:51 |
| Sage_ | mic cr --help <- you get help | 14:51 |
| Sage_ | mic cr raw --help <- you don't :) | 14:51 |
| Sage_ | or something like that | 14:51 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3374063 | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | i ran into that one too, i assume it was a bug in 'mic' | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | see line 290 | 14:52 |
| Sage_ | lbt: where is that .ks file so I could try | 14:52 |
| lbt | Sage_: generated into an rpm and then hacked.... I'll upload | 14:52 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3374076 | 14:53 |
| lbt | not complex :) | 14:53 |
| Sage_ | that is always good | 14:54 |
| lbt | add psmisc to it | 14:54 |
| lbt | enter_chroot http://pastie.org/3374082 | 14:54 |
| Sage_ | ok so I can do the image on my f15 host at leat | 14:55 |
| lbt | OK - so I need to get a mic 0.4 working then | 14:56 |
| lbt | it's just this SDK which is screwy | 14:56 |
| Sage_ | my mic is 0.4 + probably some git patches | 14:56 |
| lbt | which is not surprising thanks to Intel | 14:56 |
| Sage_ | lbt: I would say that updating mic to 0.5 would be probably better than trying to get the 0.4 working | 14:57 |
| lbt | OK | 14:57 |
| * Sage_ tries with 0.4 and check if that works for him | 14:57 | |
| Stskeeps | i had same issue, fwiw | 14:57 |
| lbt | OK - all good to know | 14:58 |
| lbt | I'll push a 0.5 version | 14:58 |
| Sage_ | hmmp... for me 0.4 is working also | 14:59 |
| lbt | coffee | 14:59 |
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| Sage_ | what python deps does mic have? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: read and weep: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming | 15:13 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: we had similar page at some point | 15:15 |
| Sage_ | just can't recall where, but should be redirected to that page | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS ? | 15:16 |
| Sage_ | no not that one :) | 15:16 |
| Sage_ | might have been removed already | 15:17 |
| Sage_ | I just recall writing something similar at some point | 15:17 |
| Sage_ | anyway g2g now. cya later | 15:19 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, while it may be frustrating, i'm actually happy you hit the i486 issues | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: just imagine how a consumer will react, or, how nokia employees reacted to meego ssse3.. | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | lo andrewfblack :) | 15:39 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Hello | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | how are you doing? | 15:41 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: oh yes. I'm really trying to think about user perceptions | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i have time to help debug mic now | 15:51 |
| lbt | OK - I'm just helping Teleca kickstart their IMG | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:52 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: not much is it true Mer is coming to a Tablet? | 15:52 |
| lbt | andrewfblack: the spark | 15:52 |
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| lbt | andrewfblack: better to say that the Spark is using Mer to help it get to market quicker :) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: sure, didn't you read engadget? ;) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, spark is a tablet that runs plasma active on top of mer, i'm not personally involved, but plasma active community is | 15:53 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Of Course I read engadget lol. Thats cool I didn't know Mer was going along so fast. | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: we do have the benefit of being derived from meego :P | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | and a lot of sweat and tears | 15:56 |
| w00t | plenty of tears.. | 15:56 |
| andrewfblack | I remember how it was with the first Mer | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. we took some different approaches this time around | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: did you see Nemo (the handset project)? | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | also on mer | 15:57 |
| andrewfblack | Don't didn't see it | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRnOazNu9Q&list=UUt3jrWgutwPvS79NfGs9MQQ&index=4&feature=plcp | 15:57 |
| andrewfblack | Nope didn't see it | 15:57 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Looks cool, I don't like the round icons but I like everything else, what UI is it using? | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | it's the software from harmattan/N9 plus a lot of open source software we did in our team and from around in community | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | (and some remainings of intel's handset ux) | 16:02 |
| andrewfblack | is it installable on N900 yet(besides to Devs)? | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:04 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 16:06 |
| andrewfblack | harmattan/N9 is what made me throw in the towel and walk away from Meego, I'm sure it sounds stupid but when qgil told me you couldn't change themes I really saw no need for me to even look at website anymore since all I really do is make themes for UIs. | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i don't really understand why they made that decision myself | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever try out QML? | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | And the funny thing is that it has full theme support ;) | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | that too | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | does QML support native-look styling yet? | 16:07 |
| lbt | andrewfblack: and we could really do with some assistance polishing things like nemo | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: there's a qml for desktop thing | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | i actually tried to write something in QML the other day | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | i couldn't figure out how to make it *do* something though | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: it makes a lot more sense coupled with components.. | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/10/qml-components-for-desktop/ | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | cool | 16:08 |
| andrewfblack | lbt: I would be happy to help if you need it. | 16:09 |
| lbt | andrewfblack: cool - yes | 16:09 |
| lbt | you know about #nemomobile? | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | i mean i can make a load of buttons on the screen and make them change colour when the mouse goes over them, but what if i want to, for example, send a UDP packet when the user presses a button? | 16:09 |
| andrewfblack | lbt: I do now | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: signals and slots to a backend | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: qml works nicely together with pyside, for instance | 16:11 |
| w00t | ali1234: you create a QObject with a slot, hook it into the QML scene, and do a Button { onClicked: myqobject.sendUdpPacket(); } | 16:11 |
| andrewfblack | I was sad to see my last Maemo theme finally get passed by some others as most downloaded theme | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | where is this covered in the documentation? | 16:12 |
| lbt | ali1234: docuwhatnow? | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | also i gather i can make a QObject with C++ code the create new visual components | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | but i couldn't figure out how to do that either | 16:13 |
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| lbt | OK Teleca back online ... their OBS was sending events that BOSS wasn't listening to | 16:19 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: hi, my fakeobs works only like expected from a screen session at this moment. Otherwise after logoff my obs breaks on failure. | 16:38 |
| lbt | mmm sec | 16:38 |
| lbt | I have a systemd module for it | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | nohup also works, but it's a bit of a bandaid | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: you're actually running on top of 12.1? :P | 16:39 |
| * lbt barfs | 16:39 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: iirc | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah, true | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | seperate from backend | 16:39 |
| * lbt likes pain | 16:39 | |
| lbt | look at where I work! | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | pain -and- icecream | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:39 |
| lbt | mmm | 16:39 |
| lbt | I forgot what vm it's on | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | it's on be in mer right now, can probably be moved off | 16:40 |
| lbt | no locally | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | start a build and check I/O meters? | 16:40 |
| lbt | I'm doing some arms length | 16:40 |
| lbt | hehe | 16:40 |
| lbt | mdfe_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_Delivery_System#Running_under_Systemd | 16:44 |
| lbt | the vm was called "mer" ... stupid name | 16:45 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: :) | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://pastie.org/3374766 | 16:45 |
| lbt | mdfe_: I have some work to make mds packaging better ... bit of a hack atm | 16:46 |
| mdfe_ | mds? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | fakeobs's new name | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | mer delivery system | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:46 |
| mdfe_ | hehe | 16:46 |
| mdfe_ | cool | 16:46 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: nice | 16:47 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: does it mean mds is only runable on an fedora at the moment? | 16:50 |
| lbt | mdfe_: not at all :) | 16:50 |
| lbt | it just means I haven't written sysv init.d script for it | 16:50 |
| lbt | mdfe_: you're not telling me that you don't run systemd yet? | 16:51 |
| lbt | come on ... it's 2012 | 16:51 |
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| mdfe_ | I'm runnung fedora for this mds | 16:52 |
| mdfe_ | so I'm running systemd | 16:52 |
| lbt | ah you're fine then | 16:52 |
| lbt | it's us sad losers running debian who have issues | 16:53 |
| mdfe_ | screen may help the debian guys | 16:53 |
| lbt | well, a normal skeleton init.d should work fine | 16:54 |
| lbt | oh yeah, Stskeeps, since MDS runs and rsyncs every night then we should really encourage its use for local mirroring for images | 16:54 |
| lbt | since it handle http anyhow... | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | images? | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:55 |
| lbt | mic things | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | like, for people to run their image builds against, yes | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | http://dilbert.com/fast/2012-02-12/ | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: now slightly more impressive, http://pastie.org/3374862 | 17:03 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: what is the easiest way to create a binary drop on a project on an obs? Like MeeGo:1.2 or openSUSE:11.4 | 17:09 |
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| mdfe_ | I cannot find a kind of 'uploadbinaries' osc command | 17:12 |
| Guest36554 | osc ci ? | 17:13 |
| mdfe_ | for rpms? | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: http://doc.opensuse.org/products/draft/OBS/obs-best-practices_draft/cha.obs.best-practices.bootstrapping.html , but for opensuse you can obs link to theirs | 17:16 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: thanks, but I dont like to build all packages again | 17:19 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: but a very good document | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: read second chapter | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:21 |
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| lbt | mdfe_: so what are you trying to do? | 17:22 |
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| mdfe_ | I allready have an obs for backup purpose to build PA against Mer | 17:23 |
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| mdfe_ | I a worst case scenario I would like to build also against meego:1.2 | 17:24 |
| lbt | so you're looking for a binary import of meego 1.2 | 17:25 |
| mdfe_ | yes | 17:25 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 17:25 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_projects_setup | 17:29 |
| lbt | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Concept_Download_on_Demand | 17:30 |
| mdfe_ | awesome!!! | 17:30 |
| lbt | I'm sure I wrote a howto on importing a binary | 17:30 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 17:30 |
| mdfe_ | great thanks | 17:31 |
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| lbt | mdfe_: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance_boot_strapping | 17:45 |
| lbt | see Binary Import from the web and Binary Import from an other project | 17:45 |
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| vgrade | did that gles testing tool get pacakged? | 17:51 |
| vgrade | glesinfo? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | mer-gfx-tests ? | 17:51 |
| vgrade | looking | 17:51 |
| vgrade | in core? | 17:52 |
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| Stskeeps | it's in 0.0.3 | 17:53 |
| vgrade | ok thanks | 17:53 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: btw ... I ran mic on an 11.4 machine to make the sdk ... it's working reasonably well | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 18:10 |
| lbt | now ImportError: No module named mic | 18:10 |
| lbt | in case you've seen that before | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | site-packages vs dist-packages? | 18:11 |
| lbt | has stuff changed in the last day? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 18:11 |
| lbt | mmm /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mic | 18:12 |
| lbt | Python 2.6.4 | 18:13 |
| * Stskeeps has to go | 18:13 | |
| lbt | o/ | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | python2.7 mic? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:13 |
| lbt | Mer:Tools:Testing is building against Mer_Core_i586 ... we need it build against the older 'latest' release | 18:15 |
| lbt | I assume python jumped version in Core | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | it hasn't | 18:16 |
| lbt | I have no clue why mic is built against 2.7 then .... unless it is forced or something | 18:16 |
| lbt | but anyhow.... l8r | 18:16 |
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| Sage_ | \o/ mic master (0.5+patches) works nicely on F16 | 18:56 |
| Sage_ | to bad my netbook is so slow :/ | 19:03 |
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| lbt | Sage_: for some reason the mic in my sdk is for python2.7 | 19:35 |
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| lbt | Sage_: ping if you have a minute | 19:49 |
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| * lbt stares at the build log which says 2.6 and the resulting rpm which says 2.7 | 19:56 | |
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| lbt | mmm rebuild gives identical results | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: sure you're looking at right repo? | 20:15 |
| lbt | no | 20:15 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=mic&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting&repository=Mer_Core_i586 | 20:15 |
| lbt | http://repo.pub.meego.com//Mer:/Tools:/Testing/Mer_Core_i586/noarch/ | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | and you're installing into what? | 20:16 |
| lbt | curl -O http://repo.pub.meego.com//Mer:/Tools:/Testing/Mer_Core_i586/noarch/mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm ; rpm2cpio mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm | cpio -tv | grep python2.7 | 20:17 |
| Sage_ | lbt: ping | 20:17 |
| lbt | but it was into the SDK | 20:17 |
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| lbt | Sage_: just some WTF oddness that I was going to get you to sanity check | 20:18 |
| lbt | Stskeeps couldn't keep away :D | 20:18 |
| * Sage_ is looking around | 20:18 | |
| lbt | I just don't get why that rpm mentions py2.7 | 20:19 |
| lbt | I was about to do a local build in my SDK | 20:19 |
| lbt | so I need sudo... | 20:19 |
| lbt | so... | 20:19 |
| * lbt steals cxl000's copy .... :D | 20:20 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: you're going to hate me for this.. | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: but that command doesn't return anything | 20:20 |
| lbt | mmm | 20:21 |
| lbt | proxy | 20:21 |
| * Sage_ smiles | 20:21 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i don't see any python2.7 mentions | 20:23 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I believe you ... | 20:23 |
| lbt | it means that I'm not seeing the same rpm as you | 20:23 |
| * Sage_ did couple of package updates for mer | 20:23 | |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3376026 | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | my license agreement states that if you use proxy in your work, i am not responsible for any faults caused by my software | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | carsten@ideapad:~/fooe$ md5sum mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | 4413dd20c8f7be91bb26f08b976d81da mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm | 20:24 |
| lbt | b6379b7b09f43870a665408aeca73699 mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm | 20:25 |
| Sage_ | :D | 20:25 |
| lbt | fucking version numbers | 20:25 |
| lbt | yeah - the proxy thinks that two files with the same name from the same place are the same ... silly proxy | 20:26 |
| lbt | I'm killing my cache :) | 20:27 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: thanks ... it would have taken much longer without a remote check | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i think the big linux distros really are in a bad spot when it's revolutionary to suggest that people do proper CI for distributions | 20:37 |
| * lbt copypacs sudo using osc in a virgin sdk | 20:38 | |
| Stskeeps | does 'mic' work with i486? | 20:39 |
| * lbt waits for sudo to build to install it to do sudo mic | 20:39 | |
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| lbt | OK ... re-entered as root just to check more quickly | 20:40 |
| lbt | Info: 133 packages to be installed, 0 packages gotten from cache, 133 packages to be downloaded | 20:40 |
| lbt | don't hold your breath | 20:41 |
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| lbt | my poor BW cap | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | this is with =i486? | 20:41 |
| lbt | yes | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:41 |
| lbt | I installed mic to 11.4 and made a 486 sdk | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:42 |
| lbt | now I'm making a 486 sdk inside it | 20:42 |
| lbt | so once mic and osc build work then do I need to do sb2? | 20:43 |
| lbt | or is that courtesy of OBS deployment | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 is in i486 too | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | but if mic and osc build work, then i think you're ok | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 is something i'll take on | 20:44 |
| lbt | nah | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | right now next step is obs deployment | 20:44 |
| lbt | I've done loads of obs deployments (and documented them!) | 20:45 |
| lbt | so sb2 would be good | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but i wrote the code and would like someone else to test it doesn't break crap ;) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | for platform sdk we need additional pieces for sb2 anyway | 20:45 |
| lbt | oh, the new branch | 20:45 |
| lbt | OK | 20:45 |
| lbt | 101/133 | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | and you're sure it's not accidentially downloading i586 packages? | 20:46 |
| lbt | Warning: can't get http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/i486/packages/repodata/repomd.xml.key | 20:47 |
| lbt | Warning: can't get http://repo.pub.meego.com//Mer:/Tools:/Testing/Mer_Core_i586//repodata/repomd.xml.key | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | why aren't you building against _i486? | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
| lbt | fine question | 20:47 |
| * lbt checks The Matrix | 20:48 | |
| lbt | I assume I need Mer_286 for that? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | no | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| lbt | Info: The new image can be found here: | 20:48 |
| lbt | /everything/home/david/tmp/images/mer-sdk-i586-host.tar.bz2 | 20:48 |
| lbt | yes thats an i486 image | 20:49 |
| lbt | obviously | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | so, at end of day tomorrow i'd like to be able to see if you can build a working arm package on cfe/cbe with the .0.0.3 snapshot - does that sound reasonable? | 20:50 |
| lbt | yes | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | and then as soon as we can reasonably, real community obs | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | be aware, btw, OBS added "Hostarch" | 20:51 |
| lbt | sure and OK | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | which means existing prjconfs for ARM may need to be amended to actually build on x86 hosts | 20:52 |
| lbt | well, step 1... cobs | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | when i say cfe/cbe i mean the 'new' one, right? | 20:53 |
| lbt | yes | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:53 |
| lbt | I'm going to iterate around the SDK a couple more times to make sure it builds as well as building images | 20:54 |
| lbt | eg I'm going to have to add the user to sudoers | 20:54 |
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| lbt | phaeron wrote up his git->OBS stuff so installing that should be OK | 20:55 |
| lbt | oh yes.. | 20:55 |
| lbt | don't hate me | 20:55 |
| lbt | what domain should we run cobs under? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | fantastic topic when i'm about to go to sleep :P | 20:58 |
| cxl000 | lbt that package still needs some work. sudo not installed u+s | 21:00 |
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| lbt | cxl000: OK - good to know | 21:00 |
| lbt | it's promoted now though | 21:00 |
| lbt | so I'm about to find out :) | 21:01 |
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| Sage_ | ok that is enough package updates for now. time to do something else. | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | nite | 21:12 |
| Sage_ | good night all. | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | (and thanks for the packages) | 21:13 |
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| lbt | sudo doesn't like when the uid from the desktop matches the one created by mic | 21:55 |
| * lbt wonders what are the odds.... | 21:55 | |
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| matrixx | what would you recommend to use for clock/alarm application on Mer? Timed perhaps? | 22:15 |
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| lbt | cxl000: it seems that sudo and sudoedit are hardlinks so both need suid (rpm2cpio showed me) ... also tweaked the pam.d/sudo file to be mer-ish (meego-ish really) | 22:36 |
| lbt | matrixx: I'm not sure what we have in that area | 22:38 |
| lbt | there was a discussion that cron should be OK | 22:41 |
| cxl000 | lbt with sudo now in Mer:Tools:Testing I'll remove my copies. Feel free to steal any of the other utilities | 22:45 |
| lbt | OK | 22:45 |
| lbt | and it's looking good now | 22:45 |
| lbt | mmm less | 22:47 |
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| matrixx | lbt: thanks, I'll look into cron | 22:48 |
| lbt | http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg04280.html | 22:48 |
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| cxl000 | rest of those packages other than strace are git prereqs | 22:52 |
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| lbt | mutter ... | 23:05 |
| lbt | uname in the SDK thinks I'm x86_64 | 23:05 |
| lbt | which my host is but my guest isn't | 23:05 |
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| lbt | so with a hostarch = 'i586' I can build sudo for i586 | 23:09 |
| lbt | try arm build | 23:10 |
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| Macer | hello. i heard that it may be possible to install mer onto an asus transformer and install plasma active on it | 23:43 |
| Macer | can someone point me in the right direction? i've been trying to google it for some time now | 23:43 |
| Macer | all i have been able to find on the mer site is a few pics of it running as well as a hybrid kernel .. but there aren't really any instructions as to how to get it going | 23:46 |
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