Monday, 2012-02-13

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lbt*grr* mic doesn't trap exit and umount cleanly00:12
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Khaleddid everyone see the post on engadget?04:45
Khaledthats just awesome although the spark tablet is by far the worst04:48
Khaledbut the idea is awesome04:48
Khaledbut it bugs me that everyone is trying to get into the tablet space04:49
Khaledinstead of focusing on phones first04:49
wmaronephones are much harder to do04:49
Khaledwhy is that u dont have the ipad as a monopoly04:49
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wmaronethe iPad isn't relevant to the discussion04:50
wmaronephones generally need the baseband integrated into the board, along with all the other supporting hardware04:50
wmaroneand those are wrapped under thick layers of NDAs and patent licenses04:50
wmaroneamong other problems04:50
wmaronetablets are much easier, and that's why there are so many chinese ODMs whose products can legally be imported04:51
wmarone(though they should be illegal to import due to GPL violations)04:51
Khaledthe spark is running plasma active?04:51
wmaroneyes, that's why the project EXISTS04:51
Khaledwell plasma is based on kde which just feels like a cheap circuss to me04:52
wmaroneso make a new theme04:52
KhaledI mean it is way overdesigned and compilated04:52
KhaledI am still rooting for nemo mobile04:53
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Stskeepskeep ui politics out of here, we all have to work together, please05:26
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boaryou dont have to use KDe..05:52
boaro Illume, or Matchbox.. or anything you donty like05:52
boarits all about a maximized firefox or chromium instance and some trivial switcher to xterm, imo05:52
Stskeepsstill, it's not really useful to verbally attack UIs in here since some of those people are represented here and we intentionally don't work together on UIs, but on core instead :)05:54
* Stskeeps tries to remember what he did on friday06:06
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Stskeepsmorn timoph06:47
timophI was pondering on the bus what would be to good sdk task to work during the evenings this week06:49
timophlike where to continue06:51
Stskeepsdocumentation, documentation.. ;)06:52
timophI was thinking of playing around with image creation06:53
timophsince that didn't really work for me last time I tried06:53
Stskeepsyes, that too06:53
Stskeepsother things can be booting vms perhaps06:54
timophhmmh. that should be interesting06:54
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Stskeepsmorn sonach06:58
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sonachStskeeps: How are the platform SDK stuff going?06:59
Stskeepssonach: quite good actually07:00
sonachI think I should have one if it is ready,07:00
Stskeepsi think you'd have to wait for lbt to wake up, he was playing with it07:00
timophdo we have ready build rootfs from the sdk ks that lbt did?07:01
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Stskeepsi haven't seen one, hence why i'm waiting for lbt ;)07:02
sonachStskeeps: I can build my source code in Platform SDK,  not necessarily go to COBS and build against COBS, right?07:02
Stskeepssonach: that's the general idea, we're not quite there yet07:02
Stskeepssonach: some pieces has to fall into place first07:02
Stskeepsbut at least we can do sane image building07:03
Stskeepsie, with 'mic' instead of 'mic2', etc07:03
Stskeepscorrect qemu07:03
Stskeepsand so on07:03
timophthe sb2 stuff in the sdk needs some love from someone who really knows how it works07:04
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Stskeepsyeah, i guess that'll be me07:04
sonachStskeeps: that is quite good:)  When will the build-source-code-in-PlatformSDK stuff be ready then?07:04
timophStskeeps: yep :p07:04
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Stskeepssonach: i'm hoping we can start experimenting with it early this week07:05
sonachStskeeps: I am considering whether to setup an OBS locally, since sometimes the network connection to COBS is not very good....07:05
Stskeepssonach: yeah, i can understand that07:05
Stskeepsfor a bigger team a local obs is important07:06
Stskeepsas in, above 2-3 people07:06
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timophjukkaeklund: morning o/07:06
sonachStskeeps: If the build-source-code-in-platformSDK stuff will be ready soon, I think it is no need to setup a local OBS.07:06
sonachglad to hear "we can start experimenting with it early this week":)07:07
Stskeepssonach: i disagree, while build source in platform sdk is good, it's not useful for a product process -- you will want to have developers use platform sdk and then upload results to obs for making releases07:08
Stskeepssonach: but i hope we can document that practice a bit better when platform sdk is there07:08
Stskeepsdo you know the expression 'it does not scale'?07:08
sonachStskeeps: not very understand "it does not scale"...07:09
Stskeepsokay, so, basically, when you move from 1 developer to 5 or to 10, the platform sdk concept starts showing problems if it's the only way people make packages to install to a device07:10
timophyep. I see it being helpfull mostly for individual developers07:10
Stskeepssonach: things like not making sure dependencies in packages are correct because my local platform SDK has them installed always, that it's difficult to make the same build again on another machine, and so on07:10
Stskeepsso that's where OBS comes in :)07:11
Stskeepsbecause it solves those problems07:11
sonachOK, I see:)07:11
Stskeepswe learnt this the hard way in old mer, we ended up with something that was totally unmaintainable and took us several months to fix07:12
Stskeepsand on occasion, source codes that had simply disappeared07:13
Sage_alien_: I have xbmc packages in home:sage:xbmc in cobs, the 11.x version isn't compiling atm. but the older 10.1 is there07:14
sonachhmm, it is a valuable experience...07:15
Stskeepssonach: so a developer method will be: develop software in platform sdk, build, install into device, then submit sources to OBS and it will be included in 'official' release07:16
Stskeepsthat can be installed on a device07:16
sonachStskeeps: good way!07:16
Stskeepstimoph: ah, another piece for the documentation: repo generation (createrepo)07:17
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Stskeepstaking your built rpms and making them available to mic to install07:20
Stskeepsor a remote device07:21
timophStskeeps: true. I forgot totally that repo creation/hosting was one of the requirements07:21
timophso we'll need lighttpd or something there07:22
Stskeepswell, mic can do file:/// repos too07:23
Stskeepsbut still07:23
Stskeeps <- linux action show with spark07:29
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sonachStskeeps: I find that on my board, when uxlaunch is not started, Mer consumes 45MB memory. It is what you expected?07:33
Stskeepssonach: with or without cache?07:33
Stskeeps(free -m)07:33
sonachStskeeps: When qtmediahub is started by uxlaunch, Mer consumes 120MB memory,07:33
sonachtotal       used       free     shared    buffers     cached07:34
sonachMem:           121         45         76          0          0         2007:34
Stskeepsneed the -/+ buffers/cache line07:34
sonach-/+ buffers/cache:         24         9707:34
Stskeepsso 24mb usage, with 20 mb cached (doesn't have to go into NAND and read it)07:36
sonachStskeeps: ah, i see:)07:37
Stskeepsi misunderstood those messages for a lot of years :)07:37
sonachStskeeps: one releated question. while jffs2 is compressed, when it is mounted to /, is the whole jffs2 uncompressed to memory? If not, why do I can visit all the contents of rootfs? If yes, why the memory is not consumed?07:39
Stskeepssonach: no, it uncompresses when it reads the daa07:39
sonachStskeeps: when I do "sync", recompress and write back to NAND?07:40
Stskeepsi would recommend you to investigate looking into ubifs some day though07:40
Stskeepsbut right now it's not needed07:40
Stskeeps has jffs2 vs ubifs discussion07:41
sonachOK, I will do some research on ubifs!07:42
Stskeepsit is just a much saner approach, and faster to boot up, etc07:42
_av500_Stskeeps: +1 for ubi07:42
Stskeeps_av500_: it really seems to me that ubifs hasn't been introduced very well to the far east embedded companies07:43
Stskeepsi see jffs, yaffs2 etc quite in use07:43
_av500_Stskeeps: well, the french embedded ones use it :)07:43
_av500_or rather used it07:43
dm8tbrthey used ubi to store cramfs files ;)07:45
Stskeepsfilesystem inception?07:45
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_av500_only for rootfs07:49
_av500_dm8tbr: what woke you uo? :)07:50
dm8tbr_av500_: just quickly checking a few things before going to sleep07:57
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Stskeepssmoku: is cool08:30
Sage_that is nice08:31
Stskeepsmorn vgrade08:34
timophthe linux action show bit about spark is good08:38
Stskeepsat least they mention mer, which is good08:38
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Stskeepsmorn mdfe_08:40
mdfe_good morning08:40
vgrademorning mdfe_08:41
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mdfe_the fosdem flu hit me as well08:42
matrixxI had a fevery feeling on monday, but I guess it was just jetlag/hangover/sleep deprivation08:43
vgradeI've just about recovered08:43
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Stskeepsmorn lbt08:50
lbtsdk is looking OK - have osc working and mic kinda works08:51
lbtneed to add psutils as a requires (for fuser)08:51
lbtalso having small zypper issues08:51
Stskeepssonach would like to try it out at least08:51
lbt"Target initialization failed: Failed to cache rpm database"08:51
lbtyes, saw that08:52
lbtalso mic runs as root08:52
Stskeepsi'd like to move it to sb2 eventually08:53
lbtand mer doesn't have sudo08:53
lbtindeed - so just working out what's needed08:53
lbtyaml :
* timoph added placeholder sections for packaging and hosting repos to the sdk wiki08:57
Stskeepslbt: ok, but don't bother with mic2 imho08:57
lbtoh yes, not deleted it there08:58
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Sage_Stskeeps: is gplv3 ok for swig package?09:07
Stskeepsyes, only used for build09:07
* Sage_ is shooting random package updates again ;)09:09
Stskeepsno problem09:10
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Sage_Stskeeps: Package had unsatisified dependancies on Core_i586, awarding 0 as this may be a fluke not seen in localdep testing <- what was this again?09:20
Stskeepsmeans you have 'unresolvable'09:21
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Sage_ <- hmmp...09:21
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Stskeepswhich package?09:22
Stskeepswth :P09:22
StskeepsCore_i486 works fine though09:23
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Stskeepslet me look at process09:23
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slainethats better09:27
slainehow'd the SDK weekend go ?09:27
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Stskeeps at least09:31
Sage_Stskeeps: Package had unsatisified dependancies on Core_i486, awarding 0 as this may be a fluke not seen in localdep testing :)09:34
StskeepsSage_: what the heck09:34
Sage_Stskeeps: i486 works fine? :)09:34
lbtslaine: it's looking pretty good09:35
* Stskeeps tries to catch it in the act09:35
StskeepsSage_: urgh09:35
Stskeepsnothing provides needed by grep09:35
Sage_uh, circular dep09:37
Sage_ok, need to check if we can get out of that somehow09:38
Stskeepsor provide backwards compatibility09:39
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Sage_seanvk_: The pcre_info() function, which has been obsolete for over 10 years,10:22
Sage_err... Stskeeps10:22
Sage_The pcre_info() function, which has been obsolete for over 10 years,10:22
Sage_has been removed.10:22
Sage_quite long time :)10:22
Sage_Stskeeps: how can I get that error happening to my own build?10:25
Sage_branched grep to same project and it started to compile straight away10:26
Sage_Stskeeps: also here better message would be nice
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Sage_ok, now I see it :)10:32
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Sage_This compat for pcre is quite nasty hack10:55
Stskeepsthe other way is introducing an old pcre-compat source package10:56
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Sage_I'm adding -compat package for pcre with that old binary10:56
Sage_lets see if that helps for builds10:56
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Sage_in the end we should not need it for long10:58
Sage_at least in theory after recompiling stuff it should not be needed10:58
Sage_when gerrit builds a package does it bootstrap it from scratch?11:01
Sage_or use existing package11:01
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Stskeepsoh dear fucking god11:01
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Sage_google translator link prolly? :)11:04
Stskeepsthat picture is a joke :)11:04
Sage_I know :)11:04
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Sage_people don't read too much just check pictures :P11:05
Stskeepsno shit11:05
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Stskeepsit does give me some ideas on how to do marketing, though11:07
Sage_isn't that wetab? :)11:07
Sage_or exopc11:07
Sage_in the image that is11:07
Stskeepsit's actually nemo with tizen in a chroot ;)11:07
Sage_gerrit picks up the changed patchset and automatically starts to rebuild right?11:08
Stskeepsand stops the old one11:08
Sage_ok. lets see if the fix works.11:08
Stskeepsi'm not terribly happy with the fix because what happens if pcre.0 is gone?11:09
Sage_crash? ;)11:09
Sage_oh, actually that fix is not valid :P11:10
Sage_pcre requires the -compat for build :P11:10
* Sage_ goes to fix11:10
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Sage_I wanted to make it separate package just to make sure it will not be installed by default11:13
Sage_so we can get rid of it asap11:13
Sage_+BuildRequires:  /lib/
Stskeepsoh dear god no11:15
Sage_either that or make it ship within the default package11:15
Sage_now it is dependency only during build time and not during -devel install e.g.11:15
Sage_build time for pcre only11:15
Sage_and compat for old binaries that actually dep on it and haven't been rebuild11:16
Stskeepsi don't think OBS does buildrequires or files but i might be wrong11:16
Sage_at least local build worked11:16
Sage_anyway I think we can actually phase it out within one release11:16
Sage_after everything is rebuild against .1 then we can patch it out11:17
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Sage_vendors migth notice pain if they don't rebuild and just trying to change core but that should be all11:17
Sage_pah, obs really can't do file based deps :/11:19
Sage_local build works but obs doesn't11:19
Sage_so need to merge within same package11:19
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StskeepsMer bug triage in 5 minutes in #mer-meeting11:55
ScriptRipperSage_: you can check the buildinfo to see if some requirement works or not11:58
ScriptRippereven for local build the buildinfo is from the server11:58
Sage_ScriptRipper: oh, ok.11:58
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Stskeepsbug triage starting in #mer-meeting12:00
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Stskeepshello boombox_12:12
Stskeepswelcome - so what brings you to this place?12:14
boombox_are there any guides on how to install mer on an asus tranformer tab? i saw its possible on your wiki, but the only documentation i found were some images12:15
RaYmAnDo you have an early (less than B70) Transformer? if not, it's possible, but kind of annoying :P12:21
RaYmAnnote: I haven't tried myself yet, but it's usually easier with custom OS if you can do nvflash.12:21
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boombox_it's a B6012:24
boombox_i'm reading the documentation on installing ubuntu on it, is it any similar to installing mer?12:26
RaYmAndepending on how you want to install it, then yes, probably12:36
slaineDid anything ever happen with the MeeGo Tablet UX ?12:38
Stskeepsslaine: i think acer dropped the programme tbh12:39
boombox_is there any documentation about this? i am pretty clueless atm, what possibilities of installing it exist?12:39
slaineStskeeps: I'd forgotten all about it 'til I read the year in review on mwkn12:41
Stskeepsslaine: i think the biggest lesson was that it's entirely possible to make something that remotely looks like a product in very short time with qml12:42
slaineit was pretty usable12:42
Stskeepsas in, way below 6 months12:42
Stskeepsand they even did their own components set12:43
Stskeepsdid you see Cascades?12:43
slaineIt was all open thought right ?12:43
Stskeepsyes, but closed graphics12:43
slaineNope, I've seen it mentioned but wasn't aware of what it was exactly12:43
StskeepsRIM's QML based framework12:44
slainevery nice12:46
Sage_was there macro for /bin/ ? /usr/bin/ was %{_bindir}12:54
Sage_just %{_bin} ?12:54
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Stskeeps /bin has to be specifically specified i think12:55
jonnor_workStskeeps, how do you know it is QML?12:55
Sage_Stskeeps: should also grep point to /bin/grep instead?12:56
StskeepsSage_: ideally yes12:56
w00tjonnor_work: because I was there talking to them (and they also actually showed a brief snippet of it)12:56
jonnor_workw00t, are they planning to use Qt in their smartphones or just the tablets?12:57
Sage_Stskeeps: what about the moving whole system under /usr/ thing that fedora did, will we do similar at somepoint?
StskeepsSage_: not against it12:57
w00tjonnor_work: cascades is part of blackberry 10, they haven't actually talked about what devices they're putting it on, but i'd suspect both12:58
StskeepsSage_: file a task bug12:58
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jonnor_workw00t, ok. Interesting12:58
Sage_Stskeeps: just wondering mainly that this kind of patch for gawk to /bin/awk is thing that fails if usr move like fedora is done12:58
StskeepsSage_: urgh12:59
Stskeepsyeah, we need a task bug to explore this..12:59
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Sage_Stskeeps: there is new prelink that is supposed to work out of the box on arm as well btw13:13
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Sage_first part of your patch has been added to upstream but rest of the things not.13:14
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StskeepsSage_: cross prelink one?13:15
Stskeepsor fedora13:16
Sage_there is different prelinks?13:17
Stskeepsthere's two, i think13:17
Stskeepsone that can be done on host to target, one that runs in target13:17
Sage_the one that url is in .spec file :)13:17
Sage_is that the right one or wrong? Should fix the URL's properly13:18
Stskeepsthat's the upstream, yeah13:19
Stskeepsthere's also cross prelink13:19
Stskeepsin yocto13:19
Stskeepsi think13:19
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Sage_but we are supposed to use the upstream?13:22
Stskeepsi'm inclined towards cross prelink a bit13:23
Stskeepsbut i haven't studied that too deepily13:23
Sage_hmmp... pcre fails now again13:28
Stskeepslbt: CFE/CBE, do we have a schedule for that package testing?13:35
lbtthis afternoon13:35
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alhStskeeps: Lol, are you saying there's something wrong with my abstract? ;)13:54
alhOr it's more the "Crap now I have to deliver that"13:55
Stskeepsalh: hehe13:55
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lbtso zypper ref in a mer chroot has a problem14:12
lbtTarget initialization failed:14:12
lbtFailed to cache rpm database (132).14:12
lbtI removed the __00.db files and did an rpm --rebuilddb14:13
lbtalso made a /etc/product.d/ dir14:13
lbtbased on
lbtI think I'm using 'latest'14:14
Stskeepsx86 target?14:14
lbthmmm - I thought I specified 48614:15
lbtcould be14:15
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Stskeepsis the cpu ssse3 able or not14:15
lbtis there a check I can run to verify14:16
Stskeeps'does zypper fail'14:16
Stskeepsi wish i was kidding14:16
lbt /bin/merinfo14:16
lbtI'll check that - I could easily have made an sssssssse3 root14:18
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lbtah ,,, IMG had i58614:21
lbtand I used the IMG version of course14:21
Stskeepsin a moment you'll hit rock hard into that mic2 has issues with 'i486'14:21
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lbtmic is almost running in SDK14:22
lbtmaybe I can bootstrap a 486 using mic in a 586 sdk14:23
Stskeepswould be good if you could14:23
lbtnot mic214:23
Sage_lbt: how much deps does that mic have?14:23
lbtdunno but it misses fuser14:24
Sage_as in runtime or packaging time?14:24
lbtnano: command not found14:25
lbtgood job I have bind mount14:25
Stskeepsit uses nano?14:25
lbtno, I tried to edit the ks inside sdk14:25
lbtcan you add a couple of small notes on  ttp://
Stskeepsthere's no <arch>i486>14:29
Stskeepsthat's not an obs arch14:29
lbthence the need for some small notes... :D :D :D14:29
lbtas in  ... WTF is going on in that twisted mind of yours?14:29
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Stskeepswell, you can ask obs guys about the scheduler names14:30
lbtand I know ... it's a side effect of working on a perl based OBS ....14:30
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lbtI wouldn't mind hacking at scheduler names in OBS14:31
lbtit's massively confusing14:31
Stskeepsit's a rabbithole14:32
lbtyeah I have kinda avoided it14:32
Stskeepsi'm considering to add 'target' and 'host' and call it a day14:33
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lbtwhy does rpm ignore -f14:35
Stskeepsbecause it won't let you shoot yourself in the foot14:35
lbtit's my foot14:35
lbt# rpm --force14:36
lbtrpm: only installation and upgrading may be forced14:36
Stskeepswhat are you trying to force?14:36
lbtrpm --force -i psutils-1.17-1.7.i586.rpm14:36
lbterror: Failed dependencies:14:36
Sage_force just overrides old packages on top of new ones14:37
Sage_or at least I don't know what else it does :P14:37
lbtSage_: ta - so the error message is buggy?14:37
Stskeepsnot really14:37
Stskeeps--nodeps doesn't require force14:37
lbt"only installation ... may be forced"14:37
Sage_yes installation not overriding deps ;)14:37
lbtbut.... but.... why would that need forcing ...?14:38
* Sage_ has been wondering that himself as well at times14:38
lbtnm ... I'll port apt14:38
Sage_lbt: installing older version on top of newer14:38
lbtworks now though ... ta14:38
lbtour psutils doesn't have fuser14:39
lbt"KeyError: 'no such column: downloadSize'"14:41
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Sage_lbt: you can always do zypper install /sbin/fuser etc.14:42
lbtI'm doing this because zypper is dead14:43
lbtnon ssse3 machine14:43
* lbt curses the Mer default14:43
lbtand the downloadSize may be due to mic not needing --pkgmgr=yum14:44
lbtnow :     Exception AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 'px_proxy_factory_free'" in <bound method ProxyFactory.__del__ of <libproxy.ProxyFactory object at 0x8a30e4c>> ignored14:44
Sage_lbt: mic?14:45
Sage_lbt: and what version of mic?14:45
Sage_ok, well I haven't had that kind of issue myself so far for mic 0.414:46
Sage_there is 0.5 version apparently out as well14:47
Sage_haven't tried that though14:47
lbtshould mic have Info: Use detected arch i586.   and   Info: zypp architecture is <i586>14:48
Sage_at least mic2 had that kind of things14:48
Sage_ps. I haven't used zypp backend for mic as it haven't been workin so well14:49
Sage_used --pkgmgr=yum always14:49
lbtthis is where the mer 486 and 586 are confusing14:49
lbtpkgmgr=yum  on mic too?14:49
Sage_the --help functionality with mic is a bit confusing14:51
Sage_mic cr --help <- you get help14:51
Sage_mic cr raw --help <- you don't :)14:51
Sage_or something like that14:51
Stskeepsi ran into that one too, i assume it was a bug in 'mic'14:52
Stskeepssee line 29014:52
Sage_lbt: where is that .ks file so I could try14:52
lbtSage_: generated into an rpm and then hacked.... I'll upload14:52
lbtnot complex :)14:53
Sage_that is always good14:54
lbtadd psmisc to it14:54
Sage_ok so I can do the image on my f15 host at leat14:55
lbtOK - so I need to get a mic 0.4 working then14:56
lbtit's just this SDK which is screwy14:56
Sage_my mic is 0.4 + probably some git patches14:56
lbtwhich is not surprising thanks to Intel14:56
Sage_lbt: I would say that updating mic to 0.5 would be probably better than trying to get the 0.4 working14:57
* Sage_ tries with 0.4 and check if that works for him14:57
Stskeepsi had same issue, fwiw14:57
lbtOK - all good to know14:58
lbtI'll push a 0.5 version14:58
Sage_hmmp... for me 0.4 is working also14:59
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Sage_what python deps does mic have?15:08
Stskeepslbt: read and weep:
Sage_Stskeeps: we had similar page at some point15:15
Sage_just can't recall where, but should be redirected to that page15:16
Stskeeps ?15:16
Sage_no not that one :)15:16
Sage_might have been removed already15:17
Sage_I just recall writing something similar at some point15:17
Sage_anyway g2g now. cya later15:19
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Stskeepslbt: btw, while it may be frustrating, i'm actually happy you hit the i486 issues15:37
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Stskeepslbt: just imagine how a consumer will react, or, how nokia employees reacted to meego ssse3..15:37
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Stskeepslo andrewfblack :)15:39
andrewfblackStskeeps: Hello15:40
Stskeepshow are you doing?15:41
lbtStskeeps: oh yes. I'm really trying to think about user perceptions15:50
Stskeepslbt: i have time to help debug mic now15:51
lbtOK - I'm just helping Teleca kickstart their IMG15:52
andrewfblackStskeeps: not much is it true Mer is coming to a Tablet?15:52
lbtandrewfblack: the spark15:52
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lbtandrewfblack: better to say that the Spark is using Mer to help it get to market quicker :)15:53
Stskeepsandrewfblack: sure, didn't you read engadget? ;)15:53
Stskeepsbut yes, spark is a tablet that runs plasma active on top of mer, i'm not personally involved, but plasma active community is15:53
andrewfblackStskeeps: Of Course I read engadget lol.  Thats cool I didn't know Mer was going along so fast.15:54
Stskeepsandrewfblack: we do have the benefit of being derived from meego :P15:56
Stskeepsand a lot of sweat and tears15:56
w00tplenty of tears..15:56
andrewfblackI remember how it was with the first Mer15:56
Stskeepsyeah.. we took some different approaches this time around15:57
Stskeepsandrewfblack: did you see Nemo (the handset project)?15:57
Stskeepsalso on mer15:57
andrewfblackDon't didn't see it15:57
andrewfblackNope didn't see it15:57
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andrewfblackStskeeps: Looks cool, I don't like the round icons but I like everything else, what UI is it using?16:01
Stskeepsit's the software from harmattan/N9 plus a lot of open source software we did in our team and from around in community16:01
Stskeeps(and some remainings of intel's handset ux)16:02
andrewfblackis it installable on N900 yet(besides to Devs)?16:03
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andrewfblackharmattan/N9 is what made me throw in the towel and walk away from Meego, I'm sure it sounds stupid but when qgil told me you couldn't change themes I really saw no need for me to even look at website anymore since all I really do is make themes for UIs.16:06
Stskeepsyeah.. i don't really understand why they made that decision myself16:06
Stskeepsdid you ever try out QML?16:07
X-FadeAnd the funny thing is that it has full theme support ;)16:07
Stskeepsthat too16:07
ali1234does QML support native-look styling yet?16:07
lbtandrewfblack: and we could really do with some assistance polishing things like nemo16:07
Stskeepsali1234: there's a qml for desktop thing16:08
ali1234i actually tried to write something in QML the other day16:08
ali1234i couldn't figure out how to make it *do* something though16:08
Stskeepsali1234: it makes a lot more sense coupled with components..16:08
andrewfblacklbt: I would be happy to help if you need it.16:09
lbtandrewfblack: cool - yes16:09
lbtyou know about #nemomobile?16:09
ali1234i mean i can make a load of buttons on the screen and make them change colour when the mouse goes over them, but what if i want to, for example, send a UDP packet when the user presses a button?16:09
andrewfblacklbt: I do now16:10
Stskeepsali1234: signals and slots to a backend16:10
Stskeepsali1234: qml works nicely together with pyside, for instance16:11
w00tali1234: you create a QObject with a slot, hook it into the QML scene, and do a Button { onClicked: myqobject.sendUdpPacket(); }16:11
andrewfblackI was sad to see my last Maemo theme finally get passed by some others as most downloaded theme16:11
ali1234where is this covered in the documentation?16:12
lbtali1234: docuwhatnow?16:12
ali1234also i gather i can make a QObject with C++ code the create new visual components16:13
ali1234but i couldn't figure out how to do that either16:13
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lbtOK Teleca back online ... their OBS was sending events that BOSS wasn't listening to16:19
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mdfe_lbt: hi, my fakeobs works only like expected from a screen session at this moment. Otherwise after logoff my obs breaks on failure.16:38
lbtmmm sec16:38
lbtI have a systemd module for it16:38
Stskeepsnohup also works, but it's a bit of a bandaid16:38
Stskeepslbt: you're actually running on top of 12.1? :P16:39
* lbt barfs16:39
lbtStskeeps: iirc16:39
Stskeepsah, true16:39
Stskeepsseperate from backend16:39
* lbt likes pain16:39
lbtlook at where I work!16:39
Stskeepspain -and- icecream16:39
lbtI forgot what vm it's on16:40
Stskeepsit's on be in mer right now, can probably be moved off16:40
lbtno locally16:40
Stskeepsstart a build and check I/O meters?16:40
lbtI'm doing some arms length16:40
lbtthe vm was called "mer" ... stupid name16:45
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mdfe_lbt: :)16:45
lbtmdfe_: I have some work to make mds packaging better ... bit of a hack atm16:46
Stskeepsfakeobs's new name16:46
Stskeepsmer delivery system16:46
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lbtStskeeps: nice16:47
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mdfe_lbt: does it mean mds is only runable on an fedora at the moment?16:50
lbtmdfe_: not at all :)16:50
lbtit just means I haven't written sysv init.d script for it16:50
lbtmdfe_: you're not telling me that you don't run systemd yet?16:51
lbtcome on ... it's 201216:51
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mdfe_I'm runnung fedora for this mds16:52
mdfe_so I'm running systemd16:52
lbtah you're fine then16:52
lbtit's us sad losers running debian who have issues16:53
mdfe_screen may help the debian guys16:53
lbtwell, a normal skeleton init.d should work fine16:54
lbtoh yeah, Stskeeps, since MDS runs and rsyncs every night then we should really encourage its use for local mirroring for images16:54
lbtsince it handle http anyhow...16:54
lbtmic things16:55
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Stskeepslike, for people to run their image builds against, yes16:56
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Stskeepslbt: now slightly more impressive,
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mdfe_lbt: what is the easiest way to create a binary drop on a project on an obs? Like MeeGo:1.2 or openSUSE:11.417:09
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mdfe_I cannot find a kind of 'uploadbinaries' osc command17:12
Guest36554osc ci ?17:13
mdfe_for rpms?17:15
Stskeepsmdfe_: , but for opensuse you can obs link to theirs17:16
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mdfe_Stskeeps: thanks, but I dont like to build all packages again17:19
mdfe_Stskeeps: but a very good document17:21
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Stskeepsmdfe_: read second chapter17:21
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lbtmdfe_: so what are you trying to do?17:22
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mdfe_I allready have an obs for backup purpose to build PA against Mer17:23
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mdfe_I a worst case scenario I would like to build also against meego:1.217:24
lbtso you're looking for a binary import of meego 1.217:25
lbtI'm sure I wrote a howto on importing a binary17:30
mdfe_great thanks17:31
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lbtsee Binary Import from the web  and  Binary Import from an other project17:45
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vgradedid that gles testing tool get pacakged?17:51
Stskeepsmer-gfx-tests ?17:51
vgradein core?17:52
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Stskeepsit's in 0.0.317:53
vgradeok thanks17:53
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lbtStskeeps: btw ... I ran mic on an 11.4 machine to make the sdk ... it's working reasonably well18:09
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Stskeepslbt: ok18:10
lbtnow    ImportError: No module named mic18:10
lbtin case you've seen that before18:11
Stskeepssite-packages vs dist-packages?18:11
lbthas stuff changed in the last day?18:11
Stskeepsno clue18:11
lbtmmm /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mic18:12
lbtPython 2.6.418:13
* Stskeeps has to go18:13
Stskeepspython2.7 mic?18:13
lbtMer:Tools:Testing is building against Mer_Core_i586 ... we need it build against the older 'latest' release18:15
lbtI assume python jumped version in Core18:15
Stskeepsit hasn't18:16
lbtI have no clue why mic is built against 2.7 then .... unless it is forced or something18:16
lbtbut anyhow.... l8r18:16
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Sage_\o/ mic master (0.5+patches) works nicely on F1618:56
Sage_to bad my netbook is so slow :/19:03
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lbtSage_: for some reason the mic in my sdk is for python2.719:35
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lbtSage_: ping if you have a minute19:49
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* lbt stares at the build log which says 2.6 and the resulting rpm which says 2.719:56
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lbtmmm rebuild gives identical results20:05
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* Stskeeps yawns20:15
Stskeepslbt: sure you're looking at right repo?20:15
Stskeepsand you're installing into what?20:16
lbtcurl -O ; rpm2cpio mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm | cpio -tv | grep python2.720:17
Sage_lbt: ping20:17
lbtbut it was into the SDK20:17
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lbtSage_: just some WTF oddness that I was going to get you to sanity check20:18
lbtStskeeps couldn't keep away :D20:18
* Sage_ is looking around 20:18
lbtI just don't get why that rpm mentions py2.720:19
lbtI was about to do a local build in my SDK20:19
lbtso I need sudo...20:19
* lbt steals cxl000's copy .... :D20:20
Stskeepslbt: you're going to hate me for this..20:20
Stskeepslbt: but that command doesn't return anything20:20
* Sage_ smiles20:21
Stskeepslbt: i don't see any python2.7 mentions20:23
lbtStskeeps: I believe you ...20:23
lbtit means that I'm not seeing the same rpm as you20:23
* Sage_ did couple of package updates for mer20:23
Stskeepsmy license agreement states that if you use proxy in your work, i am not responsible for any faults caused by my software20:24
Stskeepscarsten@ideapad:~/fooe$ md5sum mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm20:24
Stskeeps4413dd20c8f7be91bb26f08b976d81da  mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm20:24
lbtb6379b7b09f43870a665408aeca73699  mic-0.4-1.1.noarch.rpm20:25
lbtfucking version numbers20:25
lbtyeah - the proxy thinks that two files with the same name from the same place are the same ... silly proxy20:26
lbtI'm killing my cache :)20:27
lbtStskeeps: thanks ... it would have taken much longer without a remote check20:28
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Stskeepsi think the big linux distros really are in a bad spot when it's revolutionary to suggest that people do proper CI for distributions20:37
* lbt copypacs sudo using osc in a virgin sdk20:38
Stskeepsdoes 'mic' work with i486?20:39
* lbt waits for sudo to build to install it to do sudo mic20:39
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lbtOK ... re-entered as root just to check more quickly20:40
lbtInfo: 133 packages to be installed, 0 packages gotten from cache, 133 packages to be downloaded20:40
lbtdon't hold your breath20:41
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lbtmy poor BW cap20:41
Stskeepsthis is with =i486?20:41
lbtI installed mic to 11.4 and made a 486 sdk20:42
lbtnow I'm making a 486 sdk inside it20:42
lbtso once mic and osc build work then do I need to do sb2?20:43
lbtor is that courtesy of OBS deployment20:43
Stskeepssb2 is in i486 too20:43
Stskeepsbut if mic and osc build work, then i think you're ok20:44
Stskeepssb2 is something i'll take on20:44
Stskeepsright now next step is obs deployment20:44
lbtI've done loads of obs deployments (and documented them!)20:45
lbtso sb2 would be good20:45
Stskeepsyes, but i wrote the code and would like someone else to test it doesn't break crap ;)20:45
Stskeepsfor platform sdk we need additional pieces for sb2 anyway20:45
lbtoh, the new branch20:45
Stskeepsand you're sure it's not accidentially downloading i586 packages?20:46
lbtWarning: can't get
lbtWarning: can't get
Stskeepswhy aren't you building against _i486?20:47
lbtfine question20:47
* lbt checks The Matrix20:48
lbtI assume I need Mer_286 for that?20:48
lbtInfo: The new image can be found here:20:48
lbt  /everything/home/david/tmp/images/mer-sdk-i586-host.tar.bz220:48
lbtyes thats an i486 image20:49
Stskeepsso, at end of day tomorrow i'd like to be able to see if you can build a working arm package on cfe/cbe with the .0.0.3 snapshot - does that sound reasonable?20:50
Stskeepsand then as soon as we can reasonably, real community obs20:50
Stskeepsbe aware, btw, OBS added "Hostarch"20:51
lbtsure and OK20:51
Stskeepswhich means existing prjconfs for ARM may need to be amended to actually build on x86 hosts20:52
lbtwell, step 1... cobs20:52
Stskeepswhen i say cfe/cbe i mean the 'new' one, right?20:53
lbtI'm going to iterate around the SDK a couple more times to make sure it builds as well as building images20:54
lbteg I'm going to have to add the user to sudoers20:54
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lbtphaeron wrote up his git->OBS stuff so installing that should be OK20:55
lbtoh yes..20:55
lbtdon't hate me20:55
lbtwhat domain should we run cobs under?20:55
Stskeepsfantastic topic when i'm about to go to sleep :P20:58
cxl000lbt that package still needs some work. sudo not installed u+s21:00
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lbtcxl000: OK - good to know21:00
lbtit's promoted now though21:00
lbtso I'm about to find out :)21:01
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Sage_ok that is enough package updates for now. time to do something else.21:11
Sage_good night all.21:12
Stskeeps(and thanks for the packages)21:13
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lbtsudo doesn't like when the uid from the desktop matches the one created by mic21:55
* lbt wonders what are the odds....21:55
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matrixxwhat would you recommend to use for clock/alarm application on Mer? Timed perhaps?22:15
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lbtcxl000: it seems that sudo and sudoedit are hardlinks so both need suid (rpm2cpio showed me) ... also tweaked the pam.d/sudo file to be mer-ish (meego-ish really)22:36
lbtmatrixx: I'm not sure what we have in that area22:38
lbtthere was a discussion that cron should be OK22:41
cxl000lbt with sudo now in Mer:Tools:Testing I'll remove my copies. Feel free to steal any of the other utilities22:45
lbtand it's looking good now22:45
lbtmmm less22:47
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matrixxlbt: thanks, I'll look into cron22:48
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cxl000rest of those packages other than strace are git prereqs22:52
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lbtmutter ...23:05
lbtuname in the SDK thinks I'm x86_6423:05
lbtwhich my host is but my guest isn't23:05
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lbtso with a   hostarch = 'i586'    I can build sudo for i58623:09
lbttry arm build23:10
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Macerhello. i heard that it may be possible to install mer onto an asus transformer and install plasma active on it23:43
Macercan someone point me in the right direction? i've been trying to google it for some time now23:43
Macerall i have been able to find on the mer site is a few pics of it running as well as a hybrid kernel .. but there aren't really any instructions as to how to get it going23:46
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