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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I test xterm this morning, but xterm is running without nothing on screen. | 02:44 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: When I run xterm or qmlviewer, I use "cat /dev/fb0". Then I can see something in my virtual terminal, so I think X server can use fb0 correctly. But still nothing on my tv screen. | 03:29 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i suspect it may somehow be related to virtual terminals | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: xorg has some options to avoid switching those | 06:21 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: you mean my xorg didn't use the correct virtual terminals ? | 06:26 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I use "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0", the screen can really show up. So fb0 seems to be OK. right ? | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | right | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: more along lines of that the virtual terminal code may be broken on your device | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: check Xorg --help | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, i have to go to office. in the afternoon i fly back home and then tomorrow to belgium | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | will be back normal on tuesday | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: new SGX published supposedly | 06:32 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: see you then | 06:35 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: which flight are you on? | 06:37 |
| * dm8tbr is on some LOT flight that lands 1830 | 06:38 | |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: to brussels? | 06:43 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: 1830 arrival too, from warsaw, so same flight? | 06:44 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: can you accept the udev and retrigger the usbutils? Or are you already travelling? :) | 06:51 |
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| fabo | Stskeeps: ping about the qemu question | 07:01 |
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| berndhs_950 | Stskeeps: lies about sleeping, he does no such thing :) | 07:08 |
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| Stskeeps | fabo: gitweb.merproject.org , find mer-crosshelpers/qemu-usermode | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: actually, mer-core/ now | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: we try to use linaro qemu as upstream | 07:17 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: thanks! | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | what do you need to see, out of curiousity? | 07:18 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: I'm looking into cross build to generate our images. as mer generates armhf images, you have a known working qemu | 07:20 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, right | 07:20 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: qemu is the culprit in the chain... we should make sure it's always in a working state | 07:21 |
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| Sage | did we have qemu building for hosts somewhere? | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yes, mer core now contains both qemu-usermode (dynamic) and qemu-usermode-static | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: armhf had a particularly nasty one in old qemu's, simply stalled | 07:37 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp... just wondering where I should get qemu-arm-static for fedora 16 | 07:40 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: I have qemu building on obs -> https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=home%3Afboudra%3ALinaro | 07:40 |
| fabo | Sage: ^^^ | 07:40 |
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| fabo | though I'm forced to use a trick to create the package | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: cheat and rpm2cpio .rpm | cpio -idv | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's a static binary after all | 07:41 |
| fabo | for fedora, I'm using 0.15.1, 1.0 fails to build for a non-trivial issue | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:41 |
| fabo | their bug tracker have the issue... and it explains also why they didn't have upgraded to 1.0 yet ;) | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah, right | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | if you build 1.0 for s390x the thing goes balistic with out of memory gcc | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the user target | 07:43 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: true :) | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: in practice i'd really like mic to possibly pull qemu from repo or something like that | 07:56 |
| Sage | :nod: that would be nice thing | 07:58 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: where is the qemu-usermode-static in mer core? | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: hmm, it might be that i haven't exposed it yet | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | there was a conflict when i had to switch over to sb2-obs so | 08:02 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: qmlviewer can display now:) We will soon test qtmediahub. We add a file to /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d/. | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: oh wow, what was the problem? | 08:12 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3300981. But we don't know which line really takes effect, | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | either way, i'm glad it works | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | i think depth and specifying which fb matters | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | you can make this file in %post in your .ks file too | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | with cat > /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d/hisilicon.conf << EOF | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | the content | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | EOF | 08:18 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. Now I copy the file directly to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d. I will add it to %post when I make next image:) | 08:20 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: can you recall what problems vdso_enabled caused during builds? | 08:20 |
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| Stskeeps | stalls and segfaults | 08:22 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure if it's so bad a problem anymore though | 08:25 |
| Sage | ok | 08:26 |
| Sage | just noted the warning with mic after a long time so wondered if that is still a problem or not | 08:26 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: qtmediahub is running succefully now:) | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: congratulations :) | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder about performance, can you navigate the menus? | 08:36 |
| sonach | yes. Is there any benchmark to give performance result? | 08:37 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure, does it seem fast to you or slow? ;) | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | (and what resolution do you run it on?) | 08:37 |
| sonach | It is much faster than XBMC. It can be accepted as demo,but cannot accepted as product. | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you put it on top of directfb, probably a lot faster | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | as i stated, i'm not expecting it to run fast in fbdev xorg :) | 08:38 |
| sonach | Does 2D hardware take effect when it runs in fbdev+xorg? | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | so that's why i think it is slower | 08:40 |
| sonach | So If I use directfb, then 2D hardware is enabled? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | i would assume so | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | as directfb is meant to be for accelerating with the use of 2d hardware | 08:40 |
| sonach | one question then: If I use directfb, how to do the window management? Now we think that all window management tasks are done by X11. | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: for a STB you typically wouldn't need window management, just layers, right? | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | ie, video on top of UI | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | even web applications would typically be embedded in UI | 08:42 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: hmm, I think I don't quite understand this. It is an OS which will support applications, for example, support multiple HTML5 apps at the same time. so I think window management is a need, | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so, it seems directfb has windowing system too | 08:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't really know much about directfb, but it seems to me that it shouldn't be a problem :) | 08:46 |
| timoph | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Goals_for_the_first_version_.28Proposal.29 | 08:46 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: hmm, I will do some deeper work about this. X11 doesn't support directfb? | 08:47 |
| timoph | IMO that should be enough for the first version | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: one thing to check: does hisilicon provide a directfb plugin for their hardware | 08:47 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Yes. I think we will try directfb very soon. one question: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/hisi.conf, I use "Option "fb" "/dev/fb2" " but it seems that X11 still uses fb0. Is that right? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hmmm | 08:49 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: So I did the following "rm /dev/fb0; ln -s /dev/fb2 /dev/fb0", then restart qtmediahub and xorg, then qtmediahub show up. | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i would have to look at the xorg fbdev driver to answer that | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | maybe we use wrong option | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's not option "fb" , it's option "fbdev" | 08:50 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: OK:) another question. Now qtmediahub only displays on left-bottom of TV screen. fb2 output is 1280x720. TV screen is 1080i(it shows this at start up). Can Xorg change TV screen from 1080i to 1280x720? | 08:52 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I will then try "fbdev "/dev/fb2"":) | 08:53 |
| sonach | left-bottom-->left-top | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: i don't know, but it would be xorg modelines | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit specific to your hardware | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 08:53 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. If 3D hardware is enabled, then OpenGL ESv2 can use 3D hardware. Does OpenGL ESv2 have window system similiar to Xorg? | 08:55 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/open_mobile_linux_this_saturday_in_fosdem/ | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: that's a more complex topic and it depends on a lot of things :) if it's coupled with xorg drivers then yes for example | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | bergie: cool | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: but anyway, the thing about html5 apps: you can embed them in the UI, for example QML supports embedding webkit inside it | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | so you don't even need window management | 09:03 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK:) Now hifb.ko depends on tde.ko(which is 2D haredware). So Is it possible hifb is using 2D hareware? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes, but nothing probably takes usage of it | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | ie, accelerating blit and so on | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-webview.html , scroll down to "Example usage" | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | that can be added straight in qtmediahub theme, for example | 09:04 |
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| Sage | X-Fade: ping, any change you could check what is holdup for https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/4302 ? Not sure if you can but phaeron doesn't seem to be here yet :/ | 09:06 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm #meego-boss looks very quiet. | 09:07 |
| X-Fade | Let me see what is up. | 09:08 |
| Sage | thx | 09:08 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I see your example. it requires qtwebkit. Now our company uses webkit directly with cario/curl/etc. , Not qtwebkit. So Is there any problem? | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, let's see how your setup will end up being like, just stating what options exist :) | 09:10 |
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| X-Fade | Sage: Found the issue. Out of disk ;) | 09:10 |
| X-Fade | Let me see if I can clean some logs :) | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: if you need to run a seperate web runtime then you need to have window system support for directfb yes | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: but the manuals i find about hisilicon on directfb seems to imply that there is support for it | 09:13 |
| Sage | X-Fade: :) | 09:15 |
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| lbt | ah phaeron | 09:30 |
| lbt | can you look at boss with X-Fade` | 09:30 |
| lbt | all is FATAL | 09:30 |
| lbt | and not retrying | 09:30 |
| phaeron | hmm | 09:32 |
| phaeron | good morning .. | 09:32 |
| lbt | good morning :D | 09:33 |
| X-Fade | phaeron: /var ran out of disk | 09:33 |
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| X-Fade | phaeron: rabbit is running now again, but the skynet participants are not. | 09:33 |
| phaeron | X-Fade: just restart them :) | 09:34 |
| X-Fade | phaeron: Does not work | 09:34 |
| X-Fade | phaeron: Or I am not using the right spell.. But the cli help is very very limited for that service :) | 09:35 |
| phaeron | skynet start --all | 09:35 |
| phaeron | X-Fade: done I started them all | 09:35 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I see some movement :) | 09:36 |
| phaeron | reload will not start stopped participants | 09:36 |
| phaeron | retrying is done with increasing backoff time for 100 tries and then stops | 09:37 |
| lbt | :( | 09:37 |
| lbt | I don't think it should stop | 09:37 |
| phaeron | it's better than hammering the system | 09:38 |
| lbt | that is what backoff is for | 09:38 |
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| phaeron | skynet --help will give you a list of commands , each also has its own --help | 09:39 |
| lbt | and no, IMHO, it's not better from a sysadmin PoV ... we want it to recover if possible when the root cause error is fixed | 09:39 |
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| phaeron | well if a sysadmin fixes the error , he will then poke it | 09:41 |
| phaeron | backoff increases , and it could be a while before a retry happens after the sysadmin fixes the error | 09:41 |
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| phaeron | lbt: if there was monitoring the sysadmin would fix the error before the 100 retries expire. When they do , we know something is very wrong, and unlikely to be resolved on its own | 09:44 |
| phaeron | now I wonder I am logrotating rabbitmq logs everyday how did it manage to fill up that fast | 09:45 |
| lbt | activity? | 09:46 |
| lbt | and no, really, there is no need at all to stop retrying | 09:47 |
| lbt | automation is about doing things without intervention | 09:47 |
| lbt | by all means stop logging so verbosely | 09:47 |
| lbt | but why on earth would you stop the service if all it needs is a manual restart? | 09:47 |
| phaeron | who said stop ? | 09:49 |
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| lbt | "100 tries and then stops" ? | 09:49 |
| lbt | come on, this is a tiny point... | 09:49 |
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| * matrixx realizes it's going to be cold in belgium too | 09:53 | |
| lbt | very very cold | 09:56 |
| * lbt has .fi gear ready | 09:56 | |
| matrixx | yeah, .fi-cold | 09:56 |
| lbt | and *lots* of layers of T-shirts.... | 09:57 |
| slaine | -4C here this morning | 09:58 |
| slaine | that's cold by our standards | 09:58 |
| matrixx | we have probably something like -20C in .fi :S | 09:59 |
| matrixx | haven't been out in a few days :D | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'm looking forward to going home and staying indoors and working, none of that pesky commuting | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:01 |
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| pohly | stskeeps: do you collect presentations for the Mobile Dev Room? You can grab the slides for my talk on Saturday from http://syncevolution.org/blogs/pohly/2012/fosdem-2012 | 10:16 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: must be same flight, yes. I'll be hanging out quite a bit in waw. flight from wro leaves 1245 | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | pohly: ta, i'll try to remember to add it (at trip) | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ok, so send me a message and i guess we'll find eachother in the airport :) | 10:37 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 10:37 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: we really need to look at this touch issue on N900 | 10:50 |
| Sage | it really is hard at times to use | 10:50 |
| dcthang | definitely, very difficult to use and the performance there really bad | 10:50 |
| Sage | dcthang: performance in general or touchperformance? | 10:51 |
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| dcthang | in gerneral | 10:51 |
| dcthang | touch is really really ..cannot say :P | 10:52 |
| Sage | well that is different story. we need to get memory usage even lower that it is now | 10:52 |
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| Sage | e.g. if possible polkitd and packagekitd should be stopped when not used. (not sure if that happens already though but that could be done I guess) | 10:56 |
| veskuh | Sage: Do we have these: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14989 | 10:57 |
| Sage | we should have | 10:59 |
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| NeeDforKill | hi | 12:41 |
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| zester | Good morning Mer folks from across the pond. | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | good morning zester | 13:55 |
| zester | I have fedora 16 up and it's working well with citrus. The RPM python api works well and a peice of cake to use. Sooo all green so far. | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | good | 13:57 |
| zester | I was a little concerned about using rpm due to past experiences but it appears, that those concerns have been taken care of over the years | 13:58 |
| vgrade | morning zester | 13:58 |
| zester | Morning vgrade | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, same for me when returning to it | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | meeting dselect 10 years after.. not same feeling of joy | 13:59 |
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| lbt | aptitude | 14:00 |
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| zester | Screenshot note: the changes are all under the hood but this show's what the mobile to tablet ui might look like. Warning it's pretty bare lol :) http://i43.tinypic.com/xl01vb.png | 14:02 |
| * lbt would have thought a yellow submarine for citrus on mer | 14:03 | |
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| zester | Going to tango with dbus(IPC) today. | 14:05 |
| zester | Experament with a window manager abit. | 14:06 |
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| zester | Should support for legacy apps(gimp, blender) even be a concern. Or will all apps be new from scratch? | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | assume mobile apps,, fullscreen, maybe statusbar | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | you can't push 60fps without fullscreen | 14:10 |
| zester | No I mean, will apps like gimp be something you would find in Mer or is Mer to be though off more like android were all apps are fresh and new. | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | assume it's a new paradigm | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | mobile, not desktop | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | touch, not WIMP | 14:13 |
| zester | :) Good I was hoping you would say that. | 14:13 |
| zester | Qt as about 90% of what's needed out of the box for a gimp like apps, 100% for inkscape like app. | 14:15 |
| zester | I am thinking touchpaint | 14:15 |
| zester | Or mobile 2d game creation studio for tablets, ... etc | 14:16 |
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| zester | 60fps is ideal, 24 -35fps is average. X render's at about 24fps | 14:30 |
| zester | You don't notice the 24fps on X due to all the shared memory/buffing hacks inplace. | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | modern mobiles, 60fps or bust | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:31 |
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| zester | Do mobile displays even refresh that fast? | 14:32 |
| veskuh | yes | 14:33 |
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| zester | Would Raspberry Pi be considered on the low end for Mer mobile? | 14:37 |
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| zester | Like whats the lowest end hardware Mer would expect to encounter? | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | it remains to be seen how low mer can go | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | it also depends on the uis | 14:43 |
| harbaum | the n900 is imho lowest currently | 14:44 |
| harbaum | perhaps the earliert beagles | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | for mobile, yes, but mer uis could do no-gles and armv6 too | 14:44 |
| harbaum | that's why i said "currently" | 14:45 |
| harbaum | and imho chances are low that poeple will spend much time with non-gles nowadays | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | armv6 and gles is prolly lowest sane one | 14:46 |
| harbaum | also, how much cheaper than the gles enabled rasp pi can you get? this is cheaper than 90% of all microcontroller dev boards | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:47 |
| harbaum | (you know thos 8mhz 8k flash 2k ram things ...) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | for products i'd say armv7 is lowest atm | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | even for featurephones | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | boarding | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 14:49 |
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| zester | Yahh I can't find anything except Pocoplug using Armv6 | 14:55 |
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| zester | :) I am on my 3rd revision for Citrus and each time, I think that I have a good enough base I find a better way. lol | 15:19 |
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| nsuffys | hello :) | 15:45 |
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| lbt | phaeron: http://pastie.org/3303303 | 16:18 |
| lbt | "Setting up img-ks" | 16:19 |
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| * phaeron tries to remember img | 16:19 | |
| lbt | yeah :) | 16:19 |
| lbt | I think it fails due to not having a boss install reachable | 16:20 |
| phaeron | check the log | 16:20 |
| lbt | p.run() interrupted - IOError | 16:20 |
| phaeron | yeah sounds like it | 16:20 |
| lbt | amqp_host : 127.0.0.1:5672 is wrong | 16:20 |
| lbt | "of course" | 16:21 |
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| kulve | does Mer require some kernel version at minimum? I.e. would 2.6.32 be enough? | 16:21 |
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| lbt | kulve: good questions | 16:21 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Kernel | 16:21 |
| lbt | the direct answer is "no" | 16:22 |
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| lbt | we aim to define CONFIG_ options that must be set - practically of course there's a limit | 16:22 |
| lbt | 2.6.32 should be fine though | 16:22 |
| lbt | the new HA packaging runs a CONFIG_ check script which verifies your .config | 16:23 |
| lbt | so if that doesn't work please discuss/log a bug | 16:23 |
| phaeron | lbt: systemd needs a more recent version , or patches to backport the needed features, right ? | 16:23 |
| kulve | you mean that some of those CONFIG_ options wouldn't be supported in .32? | 16:23 |
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| lbt | phaeron: honestly not sure | 16:24 |
| lbt | that's why we have a wiki | 16:24 |
| lbt | but it only works if knowledge migrates there :) | 16:24 |
| lbt | kulve: as it stands right now there's no documentation about that - I think .32 will work | 16:24 |
| phaeron | http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd#Prerequisites:_kernel | 16:24 |
| kulve | lbt: ok. I might try it out | 16:25 |
| phaeron | however n900 / n950 hardware adaptation backports the needed features to older version | 16:25 |
| lbt | phaeron: yeah, that's gentoo | 16:25 |
| * lbt is in a glass house here | 16:25 | |
| phaeron | no that's systemd | 16:26 |
| lbt | since he didn't push the git tree for his code | 16:26 |
| kulve | next question. Is there an image of nemo mobile for beagle xm? My hardware has the same cpu so I might get something running with that rootfs and my .32 kernel.. | 16:26 |
| lbt | which has citations for systemd pre-requisites | 16:26 |
| smoku | IIRC 2.6.36 is the minimum to work without patching | 16:26 |
| kulve | I can apply patches easily, if such exists for .32.. | 16:26 |
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| smoku | but as phaeron mentioned, the patches for older kernel are already available in N900/N950 kernel | 16:26 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3303360 | 16:27 |
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| lbt | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/README#n35 | 16:27 |
| lbt | smoku: I'd like to have a generic statement that says ver <= kernel <= ver | 16:28 |
| lbt | and cgit.freedesktop seems down | 16:28 |
| phaeron | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/systemd#Kernel_requirements | 16:30 |
| phaeron | another citation | 16:30 |
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| lbt | I guess that technically the presence of the CONFIG_ should support backports | 16:31 |
| lbt | it may be good to note when they appeared in mainline | 16:31 |
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| phaeron | kulve: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3APandaBoard | 16:31 |
| lbt | nb ...3/4 running now | 16:31 |
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| phaeron | for pandaboard , but I am looking for docs | 16:32 |
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| kulve | I guess I can't use pandaboard images directly on 3730 because at least the SGX stuff would be different? | 16:32 |
| phaeron | That's as much as I know or can find, sorry :) | 16:33 |
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| phaeron | maybe Sage can help | 16:33 |
| kulve | well, it's not that urgent yet | 16:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: maybe I can ssh to img tonight and help | 16:34 |
| phaeron | but I have to leave home circa 5am :( | 16:34 |
| kulve | I'll hopefully have the time to try it out at some point and I will ask more then when I have more exact problems. Thanks :) | 16:34 |
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| tiddlypom | Hello. Can anyone tell me if Mer is able to run on a Nokia N800? If not, what is needed to get it going? | 20:10 |
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| bigbluehat | tiddlypom: there's work being done | 20:12 |
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| bigbluehat | tiddlypom: check this wiki page: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 20:12 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 20:12 |
| bigbluehat | :) | 20:12 |
| lbt | hehe | 20:13 |
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| Sage | phaeron: help with what? kulve? | 20:19 |
| phaeron | Sage: he was asking about pandaboard adaptation | 20:20 |
| Sage | kulve: .32 isn't enough it needs couple of patches but our n950 adaptation has those that are needed | 20:21 |
| Sage | N950 adaptation uses .32 kernel and is working quite well | 20:21 |
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| cxl000 | tiddlypom I have not made an n8x0 image recently. Last person to try reported not getting any touch events. | 20:22 |
| cxl000 | Is fbset built for Mer anywhere? | 20:22 |
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| vgrade | cxl000, I think stskeeps was playing with busybox which I think has it. but not seen standalone | 20:28 |
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| tiddlypom | OK, thanks all, just had a look at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 20:37 |
| tiddlypom | Not sure this helps much, though. | 20:37 |
| zester_ | Skype's SDK api's are terrable. | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | what do you need fbset for? | 20:38 |
| tiddlypom | Anyone here testing on N800 other than cxl000? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | at some point i'd like to put my n8xps back into use | 20:41 |
| bigbluehat | tiddlypom: I'd like to be…I just haven't made the time to get up to speed on it | 20:49 |
| bigbluehat | how easy is it?…since we're all here? :) | 20:49 |
| cxl000 | some existing scripts for the Pandora use it. | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | cxl000: btw, ever considered something like directfb on n8x0? | 20:49 |
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| cxl000 | I've not looked at directfb recently. | 20:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i was pondering to perhaps use the pvr2d api that does work on it | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ie, using the 3d drivers for -something- | 20:53 |
| vgrade | does a jig \o/ | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 20:54 |
| vgrade | touchscreen | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | on spark? | 20:55 |
| vgrade | yup | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | so it was the same driver or? | 20:55 |
| vgrade | no , FT1503 | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:56 |
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| vgrade | sorry, FT5301 | 20:59 |
| vgrade | http://www.focaltech-systems.com/Upload/products/downloadfile/FT5301Datasheet_FocalTech-10440326984.pdf | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | good to know it works :) | 21:00 |
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| harbaum_ | so the spark will become what the cordia tab was supposed to be ... | 21:31 |
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| wmarone_ | sorta | 21:34 |
| wmarone_ | it's hitting the exact same problems | 21:34 |
| wmarone_ | and the screen is lesser, which is critical | 21:34 |
| _av500_ | I wonder why they talk to random chinese companies and not to people next door... | 21:35 |
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| harbaum_ | the screen is "lesser" ?? | 21:36 |
| _av500_ | not as good I guess | 21:37 |
| _av500_ | or less resolution | 21:37 |
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| harbaum_ | who'd you talk to? | 21:45 |
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| _av500_ | us :) | 21:50 |
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| harbaum_ | what device would you suggest? | 21:52 |
| wmarone_ | it's 800x480 last I read | 21:52 |
| _av500_ | http://dot.kde.org/2011/11/30/plasma-active-archos-g9-tablet | 21:52 |
| wmarone_ | and no word on TN/IPS | 21:52 |
| harbaum_ | i know some of those are being tested with mer, so something must cause them not to talk to you ... | 21:52 |
| _av500_ | wmarone_: 800x480 is a bit last year | 21:52 |
| wmarone_ | _av500_: more than that | 21:53 |
| _av500_ | wmarone_: right | 21:53 |
| vgrade | yes work is going on with Mer / PA | 21:54 |
| wmarone_ | if it isn't then that's great :) | 21:56 |
| wmarone_ | nah, aseigo's blog lists it as 800x480 | 21:57 |
| harbaum_ | the cheapest archos seems to be a archos 80 g9 8gb for € 234. that has all the drivers to run mer? | 22:01 |
| _av500_ | there is also an omap3 based one 7" for 199 | 22:02 |
| _av500_ | to be released soon | 22:02 |
| _av500_ | sgx drivers we should be able to provide, and they are the same as for the panda | 22:03 |
| _av500_ | same for wifi/BT | 22:03 |
| harbaum_ | mer sgx runs slowly on panda i have been told .... | 22:03 |
| wmarone_ | which reminds me, going to tackle wifi on nook tonight | 22:04 |
| _av500_ | wmarone_: 1271? | 22:04 |
| wmarone_ | yup | 22:04 |
| harbaum_ | why nocontacting the spark guy. if he's facing problems with the chinese supplier he shoudld be more than open for alternatives | 22:04 |
| wmarone_ | harbaum_: tell that to smoku | 22:04 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 22:04 |
| _av500_ | wmarone_: there is Luca256 in #pandaboard, he wrote the oss driver at ti | 22:05 |
| wmarone_ | oh, cool | 22:05 |
| wmarone_ | I'll have to find the version that compiles for my kernel | 22:05 |
| wmarone_ | actually... | 22:06 |
| wmarone_ | thought so | 22:06 |
| harbaum_ | the omap3 based one should even be able to run something close to my beagle setup. But the beagle (800mhz omap3 + 512 mb ram) is not really able to run pa fluidly | 22:07 |
| wmarone_ | the upstream one won't work but this one should | 22:07 |
| * wmarone_ clones for later | 22:07 | |
| wmarone_ | harbaum_: don't kill my joy before I get there ;p | 22:07 |
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| harbaum_ | i have to admit that it's been some time since i booted plasma on the beagle. but it seemed pa needs a little more mhz/ram than the beagle has | 22:08 |
| harbaum_ | nemo runs much more fluid on the same hw. and i would expect cordia to also run better | 22:10 |
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| _av500_ | cordia is what? | 22:14 |
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| harbaum_ | cordia is basically maemo5 ported/rewritten for mer | 22:17 |
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| sheldon_ | hi, i'm following this README guide (http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_arm_install_archive/point_of_view_nvidia_tegra2/readme.txt) to install Mer on Asus TF101 Transformer | 22:19 |
| sheldon_ | but i have this error | 22:19 |
| sheldon_ | rcm version 0X4 Command send failed (usb write failed) | 22:20 |
| sheldon_ | i'm on an android nvflash rom (revolver rom) | 22:20 |
| sheldon_ | any chance to solve this | 22:22 |
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| lbt_away | http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2012/02/almost-there-pypys-arm-backend_01.html | 23:09 |
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| vgrade | sheldon_, hi | 23:25 |
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| vgrade | no wonder microsoft want to lock those arm devices down, http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dev-2.jpg | 23:29 |
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