Friday, 2012-02-03

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zesterGuys check this Qt5 Demo Video out.!00:48
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yavkataIs it possible to run nemo on the N9?00:53
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wmarone_the ti driver I found is completely geared around the Android build system02:10
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kulveSage: ok, thanks04:47
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timophStskeeps: did you look at the sdk wiki yesterday? I added a content proposal for it's first version05:38
timophdoes that make sense to you05:38
Stskeepsmakes sense05:41
Stskeepsdid we forget 'sb2' in there?05:41
timophwe did :)05:43
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* Stskeeps tries to find out where the speaker hotel is for fosdem..05:45
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* timoph adds sb2 to the contents05:46
timophI also added the QA section there just as a reminder that we need to think how we'll test it05:47
Stskeepswe need to write up test suites05:47
timophsome basic sanity checks that compilers, etc. work05:48
timophthat can be automated ofc :)05:48
Stskeepsas much as we can automate the better05:49
timophwe don't have too many hands to spare on regular manual testing05:49
timophbesides it gets boring fast05:50
sonachStskeeps: hello, can you do me a favor?  Would you please pastie this website:    thank you!06:07
Stskeepsyes, hang on06:07
Stskeepsit's not really informative though06:07
Stskeepsthe MIPS support in qt has improved a lot since06:08
Stskeepsqt5, that is06:08
Stskeepssonach: on monday i'll take a look at how much it takes to provide a QWS enabled qt automatically in mer core, so you can use directfb and such06:09
Stskeepsok, not on monday, i'm still in belgium there06:09
Stskeepsmorn vgrade06:09
Stskeepswhen are you travelling?06:10
vgrade13:00 Eurostar, be in Brussels, 18:3006:11
sonachStskeeps: I think qtmediahub is a QWS, is that right?  What's the relation between QWS and directfb?06:12
Stskeepssonach: ok, so, QWS is a different kind of Qt build, it is not built for X11 but instead for embedded situations06:13
Stskeepsso Qt QWS build would have directfb plugin06:13
sonachStskeeps: oh, I see, it is for directfb plugin.06:14
vgradenice video about QWS, QPA, if you can see it,
sonachvgrade: thank you for the link. the author, Thomas Senyk, is a developer of qtmediahub.06:15
Stskeepsin qt5 this kind of plugin things for backends is within the project, but qt5 isn't released as stable version yet, so06:17
vgradethe video does a good explamation of what qws is before talking about qpa06:17
vgradefor a bit of background06:18
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vgradeStskeeps, Nokia 1 looks nice06:21
Stskeepsvgrade: didn't see06:22
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Stskeepsvgrade: i praise myself happy i'm not involved with anything but software, no things to wonder about products :P06:23
vgradego on have a peek :),
Stskeepsah, supposed to be a tablet06:26
Stskeepswell that makes more sense06:26
vgradelocked up good I expect06:27
timophif I can boot my own stiff with it and it has at least somewhat open hw I'll buy :)06:27
Stskeepsvgrade: i don't think that's anything beyond a fan concept tbh06:27
vgradeI saw a tweet from @nielsmayer yesterday with a broken link06:31
vgradeStskeeps, will you be at the beer event?06:34
Stskeepsvgrade: i'll try06:34
Stskeepssome people have seriously too much time (video)06:35
Stskeepsvgrade: it really depends on how it's going with my presentation for tomorrow06:35
vgradeStskeeps, ok, np, see you Saturday if not06:37
Stskeepsyeah, for sure06:37
vgradeshit, Due to an overnight derailment at Bletchley, there's no service to London at the moment. We'll update more soon.06:39
Stskeepswhich route do you have to take?06:40
vgradeok, not my route06:41
Stskeepsphew ;)06:42
Stskeepsyou're in cambridge or how was it?06:42
vgradekettering, so east midlands line06:42
Stskeepsmorn sage06:49
Stskeeps_av500_: going to fosdem this year too?06:55
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Stskeepsi won't be mentioning the compliance word this time around06:56
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_av500_there is a tizen talk to troll06:56
Stskeeps:nod: just remember the main purpose is to get together, discuss and collaborate :P06:58
Stskeepsbut now that you do mention it, heckling a debian talk does sound mildly appealing..06:58
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sonachStskeeps: where does qt/embedded upstream to?  Does qt5 include qt/embedded?07:51
Stskeepssonach: it's all the same source base but built with different configuration flags07:52
Stskeepssonach: qt5 includes QPA which is much better07:52
Stskeepsby default, so no need for recompilation07:52
sonachwhat do you mean by "no need for recompilation"?07:53
Stskeepsas in, for qt4.8.0 we need to provide two different qt builds, one for X11 and one for qt/embedded (QWS).. in qt5, you don't need to do two builds, just one07:54
Stskeepsbecause the multiple backend things are built into qt507:54
BostikQPA is something like GTK's GDK: a way of keeping the actual backends separate from the toolkit logic07:54
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Stskeepssonach: can you do me a favour by the way? it's related to footprint -- check out chinese web sites if anyone has reported crash problems with Linaro/Ubuntu new versions on hisilicon ARM, related to Thumb/Thumb2?08:05
Stskeepsi can't find any english sources so08:05
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Stskeepson OMAP3 in old versions we couldn't run thumb/thumb2, so08:05
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: When we run qmlviewer, the monitor mode is 720p. when we run qtmediahub, the monitor mode is 1080i. We use the same TV and the same /dev/fb2 output. Do you know why?08:10
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: qtmediahub may be fullscreening08:10
Stskeepstry qmlviewer -fullscreen08:10
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: I mean, Now qtmediahub only displays at top-left part of TV screen. the display resolution is 1280x720, but the TV screen is 1920x1080. It is quite strange.08:12
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sonachStskeeps: OK, I will do the search. wait a minute,08:16
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sonachStskeeps: It seems no related reports about something like "linaro hisilion(海思) ARM". Can you give more detailed search conditions?08:29
Stskeepsok, well, if noone complains then it probably works fine08:29
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sonachStskeeps: hmmm, maybe linaro has not been used on hisilicon? As I know, they only use android,08:31
sonachStskeeps: but anyway, it doesn't matter. I will do the test. If it crashes, I will report details to you:)08:31
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sonachStskeeps: a trivial question: why "@Mer core" in %package doesn't include "vim-minimal"?08:38
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sonachStskeeps: I should add vim-minimal manually in %package section. Is that right?08:39
timophis there any editor in the core? IMO there should be one.08:40
Stskeepssonach: because per definition that an editor isn't part of the core ;)08:41
Stskeepsbecause it takes up space and so on08:41
Stskeepsbut yes, vim-minimal08:41
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sonachwe are now using vim to change some config and do some test. Of courses end-users don't need this.08:43
Stskeepsthat's why %packages is good :)08:43
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: when I use option "Modeline" to change the monitor resolution, but it seems to not work for me.
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ZiQiangHuanIt seems that only option "Modes" works, so qtmediahub only display on the part of the sreen.08:51
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, not sure -- you may have to adjust the framebuffer itself08:53
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: what do you mean by "adjust the framebuffer itself"? If I don't set Modeline and Modes, qtmediahub only display 1280x720 for default. But the monitor is set 1080i(1920x1080) by Xorg. So qtmediahub  would display on smaller part of the tv screen.08:57
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: ok, so, when you set up the framebuffers in kernel module load, isn't the resolution static?08:57
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: i haven't looked at qtmediahub but i don't think it changes resolution08:57
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Stskeepsyou can check the code, perhaps08:59
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: Ok. First I would have a look at the doc for hifb.09:06
sonachStskeeps: Now we have tde.ko, the 2D hardware driver. Maybe there is any way for Xorg to use tde.ko(or write a driver for Xorg based on tde.ko)?  We are not planning to use directfb at this moment.09:06
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Stskeepssonach: well, you can write a driver sure, but i can't help with that :)09:08
Stskeepssonach: as i don't know anything about that09:08
sonachStskeeps: of courses. I just want to confirm the possibility;)09:09
sonachStskeeps: Since you have many experiences, your instructions usually will do great help:)09:14
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dcthangMer is using Wayland or some X window manager?10:24
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Stskeepsnemo uses x11 but you can use other things if you want10:24
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Stskeepslbt_away: 'you are expected to contribute back' .. that's a bit awkward, i think it might be better to say that it's in your own best interest to contribute back as to help maintaining the benefits of the shared work and direction of what you base your product on11:21
Stskeepsor something along those lines11:21
slaineyou're encouraged to give back11:23
Stskeepswe're not so much a community but a co-operative to share the burden11:23
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* dm8tbr just boarded for WAW, rdy fr takeoff11:35
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Stskeepsi'll probably first go to the airport in 1 1/2 hours or so11:36
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Mirvah you all lucky people are at FOSDEM11:51
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Stskeepsgoing to be, at least12:09
chouchouneStskeeps: you're going to beer event tonight ?12:12
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Stskeepschouchoune: going to try to, it really depends on a lot of factors :)12:22
Stskeepschouchoune: but not earlier than 8pm12:22
Stskeepschouchoune: look for a guy with a red tshirt and 'maemo/mozilla danish weekend'12:22
chouchouneStskeeps: my flight arrives at 11.30pm so I'm not sure to be there on time, and of course not before 8 ;)12:25
Stskeepselse we'll see tomorrow :)12:28
chouchouneyes ;)12:28
chouchouneI'll stay some time in the open mobile linux devroom ;)12:28
* Stskeeps glances at backpack12:32
Stskeepsn9, n950, n900, lenovo ideapad s10-3t, own computer12:32
Stskeepssecurity is going to have a field day with me12:32
dm8tbrStskeeps: the lady noted that I was one of the most *interesting* people to pass through ever...12:33
dm8tbrwell, I pulled 3 laptops out of the backpack...12:34
Stskeepsto n9 or not to n9..12:35
* Stskeeps decides on not12:35
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AardStskeeps: I found out on my last trip that having a 1mb simm on your keyring is a bad idea12:50
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harbaumwhen traveling to amsterdam i had two beagles plus two display prototypes with me. they sent me through the bomb sniffer with them ...12:51
harbaumbut i am pretty sure they often see people with a bunch of phone sand computers12:52
Stskeepsi had considered to take my r-pi but i really would like to make it to my plane in time12:52
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Aardharbaum: that 1mb simm prompted an emptying of my bagpack, and individually x-raying the chocolate coated espresso beans I had with me :)12:52
harbaumwhat exactly makes a simm so interesting? i the end i entered the plane with two displays mounted on aluminum "blades". i could have cut peoples throat with them12:54
Aardharbaum: I have no idea, but it took 7 security people to discuss several minutes if I'm allowed to take it with me12:54
harbaumon another flight they told me "there's a knife in your backpack". i laughed and said "no, sure not". The woman said "yes, you have, s pocket knif ein the front pocket". and indeed, my swiss pocket knife was there.12:55
AardI had a stack of spare n900 batteries, and a big external battery with me, they didn't care about those12:55
harbaumAnd then she just said: "you can keep it, but i canÄ't guarantee that they allow you the knife on the plane back"12:55
Aardthe return trip was easy, russian security didn't need me to unpack my bag (even though it was probably impossible to see much with all the electronics in there). it went just like 'camera?' -- 'yes' -- 'ok'12:57
StskeepsAard: they obviously don't read xkcd (batteries)12:58
AardStskeeps: yes, but it's a bit hard not to explain what kind of damage you could do with the things they don't care about when they're beeing so silly12:59
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Stskeepsengineers, yeah..13:00
AardI trained to preferably only say 'yes' and 'no' at security nowadays, is better for me13:00
Stskeepsi'll go for a 'specialist' title but never 'engineer'13:00
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* Stskeeps heads to airport13:02
chouchouneStskeeps: have a safe flight13:03
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harbaumStskeeps: xkcd bag check is nice :-)13:16
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dm8tbrStskeeps: I'm sitting next to gate 30, might move to the other side of that gate pair(29).13:38
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NeeDforKillnemo n900 now have filesystem?14:48
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timophhmmh. are pykickstart, etc. mic2 dependencies available somewhere in obs for Mer x86?17:01
* timoph can't seem to find them17:01
timophasking before starting to build them..17:02
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lbtanyone going to / at beer fest at FOSDEM?17:21
lbtme+phaeron are about to make our way there..17:21
slainelbt, have one for me17:21
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phaerontimoph: try the tools project17:41
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timophdoesn't seem to have everything I need17:44
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crevetorhey guys19:25
crevetorcongrats on the spark. I'm getting one as soon as it's out19:25
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nsuffyscrevetor: hey : Me too ! I'm waiting ! Plasma Active is awesome !20:06
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