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| zester | Guys check this Qt5 Demo Video out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MsfioYYyrUg#! | 00:48 |
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| yavkata | Is it possible to run nemo on the N9? | 00:53 |
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| wmarone_ | damn | 02:10 |
| wmarone_ | the ti driver I found is completely geared around the Android build system | 02:10 |
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| kulve | Sage: ok, thanks | 04:47 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:36 |
| timoph | ing | 05:37 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: did you look at the sdk wiki yesterday? I added a content proposal for it's first version | 05:38 |
| timoph | does that make sense to you | 05:38 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 05:41 |
| Stskeeps | did we forget 'sb2' in there? | 05:41 |
| timoph | we did :) | 05:43 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to find out where the speaker hotel is for fosdem.. | 05:45 | |
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| * timoph adds sb2 to the contents | 05:46 | |
| timoph | I also added the QA section there just as a reminder that we need to think how we'll test it | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | we need to write up test suites | 05:47 |
| timoph | some basic sanity checks that compilers, etc. work | 05:48 |
| timoph | that can be automated ofc :) | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | as much as we can automate the better | 05:49 |
| timoph | yeah | 05:49 |
| timoph | we don't have too many hands to spare on regular manual testing | 05:49 |
| timoph | besides it gets boring fast | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:50 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: hello, can you do me a favor? Would you please pastie this website: zecke.blogspot.com/2012/01/qtmediahub-on-mips-with-qt5-and.html thank you! | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes, hang on | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's not really informative though | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3307433 | 06:08 |
| sonach | thanks:) | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | the MIPS support in qt has improved a lot since | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | qt5, that is | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: on monday i'll take a look at how much it takes to provide a QWS enabled qt automatically in mer core, so you can use directfb and such | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok, not on monday, i'm still in belgium there | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | tuesday | 06:09 |
| vgrade | morning | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | when are you travelling? | 06:10 |
| vgrade | 13:00 Eurostar, be in Brussels, 18:30 | 06:11 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I think qtmediahub is a QWS, is that right? What's the relation between QWS and directfb? | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, so, QWS is a different kind of Qt build, it is not built for X11 but instead for embedded situations | 06:13 |
| Stskeeps | so Qt QWS build would have directfb plugin | 06:13 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: oh, I see, it is for directfb plugin. | 06:14 |
| vgrade | nice video about QWS, QPA, if you can see it, http://developer.qt.nokia.com/videos/watch/qpa-the-qt-platform-abstraction | 06:14 |
| sonach | vgrade: thank you for the link. the author, Thomas Senyk, is a developer of qtmediahub. | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | in qt5 this kind of plugin things for backends is within the project, but qt5 isn't released as stable version yet, so | 06:17 |
| vgrade | the video does a good explamation of what qws is before talking about qpa | 06:17 |
| vgrade | for a bit of background | 06:18 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, Nokia 1 looks nice | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: didn't see | 06:22 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: i praise myself happy i'm not involved with anything but software, no things to wonder about products :P | 06:23 |
| vgrade | go on have a peek :), http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dev-2.jpg | 06:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah, supposed to be a tablet | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | well that makes more sense | 06:26 |
| vgrade | locked up good I expect | 06:27 |
| timoph | if I can boot my own stiff with it and it has at least somewhat open hw I'll buy :) | 06:27 |
| timoph | s/stiff/stuff/ | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: i don't think that's anything beyond a fan concept tbh | 06:27 |
| vgrade | I saw a tweet from @nielsmayer yesterday with a broken link | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwXWmBgN83A&feature=colike | 06:34 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, will you be at the beer event? | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: i'll try | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | some people have seriously too much time (video) | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: it really depends on how it's going with my presentation for tomorrow | 06:35 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, ok, np, see you Saturday if not | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, for sure | 06:37 |
| vgrade | shit, Due to an overnight derailment at Bletchley, there's no service to London at the moment. We'll update more soon. | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/ | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | which route do you have to take? | 06:40 |
| vgrade | ok, not my route | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | phew ;) | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | you're in cambridge or how was it? | 06:42 |
| vgrade | kettering, so east midlands line | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:43 |
| Sage | morning | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn sage | 06:49 |
| vgrade | morning | 06:50 |
| _av500_ | moin | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: going to fosdem this year too? | 06:55 |
| _av500_ | course | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 06:56 |
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| Stskeeps | i won't be mentioning the compliance word this time around | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:56 |
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| _av500_ | there is a tizen talk to troll | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: just remember the main purpose is to get together, discuss and collaborate :P | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | but now that you do mention it, heckling a debian talk does sound mildly appealing.. | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 06:59 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: where does qt/embedded upstream to? Does qt5 include qt/embedded? | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it's all the same source base but built with different configuration flags | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: qt5 includes QPA which is much better | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | (lighthouse) | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | by default, so no need for recompilation | 07:52 |
| sonach | what do you mean by "no need for recompilation"? | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | as in, for qt4.8.0 we need to provide two different qt builds, one for X11 and one for qt/embedded (QWS).. in qt5, you don't need to do two builds, just one | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | because the multiple backend things are built into qt5 | 07:54 |
| Bostik | QPA is something like GTK's GDK: a way of keeping the actual backends separate from the toolkit logic | 07:54 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: can you do me a favour by the way? it's related to footprint -- check out chinese web sites if anyone has reported crash problems with Linaro/Ubuntu new versions on hisilicon ARM, related to Thumb/Thumb2? | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | i can't find any english sources so | 08:05 |
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| Stskeeps | on OMAP3 in old versions we couldn't run thumb/thumb2, so | 08:05 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: When we run qmlviewer, the monitor mode is 720p. when we run qtmediahub, the monitor mode is 1080i. We use the same TV and the same /dev/fb2 output. Do you know why? | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: qtmediahub may be fullscreening | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | try qmlviewer -fullscreen | 08:10 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I mean, Now qtmediahub only displays at top-left part of TV screen. the display resolution is 1280x720, but the TV screen is 1920x1080. It is quite strange. | 08:12 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, I will do the search. wait a minute, | 08:16 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: It seems no related reports about something like "linaro hisilion(海思) ARM". Can you give more detailed search conditions? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok, well, if noone complains then it probably works fine | 08:29 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: hmmm, maybe linaro has not been used on hisilicon? As I know, they only use android, | 08:31 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: but anyway, it doesn't matter. I will do the test. If it crashes, I will report details to you:) | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:32 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: a trivial question: why "@Mer core" in %package doesn't include "vim-minimal"? | 08:38 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: I should add vim-minimal manually in %package section. Is that right? | 08:39 |
| timoph | is there any editor in the core? IMO there should be one. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: because per definition that an editor isn't part of the core ;) | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | because it takes up space and so on | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, vim-minimal | 08:41 |
| sonach | ok, | 08:42 |
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| sonach | we are now using vim to change some config and do some test. Of courses end-users don't need this. | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | that's why %packages is good :) | 08:43 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: when I use option "Modeline" to change the monitor resolution, but it seems to not work for me. http://pastie.org/3307878 | 08:46 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | It seems that only option "Modes" works, so qtmediahub only display on the part of the sreen. | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, not sure -- you may have to adjust the framebuffer itself | 08:53 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: what do you mean by "adjust the framebuffer itself"? If I don't set Modeline and Modes, qtmediahub only display 1280x720 for default. But the monitor is set 1080i(1920x1080) by Xorg. So qtmediahub would display on smaller part of the tv screen. | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, so, when you set up the framebuffers in kernel module load, isn't the resolution static? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i haven't looked at qtmediahub but i don't think it changes resolution | 08:57 |
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| Stskeeps | you can check the code, perhaps | 08:59 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Ok. First I would have a look at the doc for hifb. | 09:06 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Now we have tde.ko, the 2D hardware driver. Maybe there is any way for Xorg to use tde.ko(or write a driver for Xorg based on tde.ko)? We are not planning to use directfb at this moment. | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: well, you can write a driver sure, but i can't help with that :) | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: as i don't know anything about that | 09:08 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: of courses. I just want to confirm the possibility;) | 09:09 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Since you have many experiences, your instructions usually will do great help:) | 09:14 |
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| dcthang | Mer is using Wayland or some X window manager? | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | nemo uses x11 but you can use other things if you want | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt_away: 'you are expected to contribute back' .. that's a bit awkward, i think it might be better to say that it's in your own best interest to contribute back as to help maintaining the benefits of the shared work and direction of what you base your product on | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | or something along those lines | 11:21 |
| slaine | you're encouraged to give back | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | we're not so much a community but a co-operative to share the burden | 11:23 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'll probably first go to the airport in 1 1/2 hours or so | 11:36 |
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| Mirv | ah you all lucky people are at FOSDEM | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | going to be, at least | 12:09 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: you're going to beer event tonight ? | 12:12 |
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| Stskeeps | chouchoune: going to try to, it really depends on a lot of factors :) | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: but not earlier than 8pm | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: look for a guy with a red tshirt and 'maemo/mozilla danish weekend' | 12:22 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: my flight arrives at 11.30pm so I'm not sure to be there on time, and of course not before 8 ;) | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | else we'll see tomorrow :) | 12:28 |
| chouchoune | yes ;) | 12:28 |
| chouchoune | I'll stay some time in the open mobile linux devroom ;) | 12:28 |
| * Stskeeps glances at backpack | 12:32 | |
| Stskeeps | n9, n950, n900, lenovo ideapad s10-3t, own computer | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | security is going to have a field day with me | 12:32 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: the lady noted that I was one of the most *interesting* people to pass through ever... | 12:33 |
| dm8tbr | well, I pulled 3 laptops out of the backpack... | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | to n9 or not to n9.. | 12:35 |
| * Stskeeps decides on not | 12:35 | |
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| Aard | Stskeeps: I found out on my last trip that having a 1mb simm on your keyring is a bad idea | 12:50 |
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| harbaum | when traveling to amsterdam i had two beagles plus two display prototypes with me. they sent me through the bomb sniffer with them ... | 12:51 |
| harbaum | but i am pretty sure they often see people with a bunch of phone sand computers | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | i had considered to take my r-pi but i really would like to make it to my plane in time | 12:52 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 12:52 |
| Aard | harbaum: that 1mb simm prompted an emptying of my bagpack, and individually x-raying the chocolate coated espresso beans I had with me :) | 12:52 |
| harbaum | what exactly makes a simm so interesting? i the end i entered the plane with two displays mounted on aluminum "blades". i could have cut peoples throat with them | 12:54 |
| Aard | harbaum: I have no idea, but it took 7 security people to discuss several minutes if I'm allowed to take it with me | 12:54 |
| harbaum | on another flight they told me "there's a knife in your backpack". i laughed and said "no, sure not". The woman said "yes, you have, s pocket knif ein the front pocket". and indeed, my swiss pocket knife was there. | 12:55 |
| Aard | I had a stack of spare n900 batteries, and a big external battery with me, they didn't care about those | 12:55 |
| harbaum | And then she just said: "you can keep it, but i canÄ't guarantee that they allow you the knife on the plane back" | 12:55 |
| Aard | the return trip was easy, russian security didn't need me to unpack my bag (even though it was probably impossible to see much with all the electronics in there). it went just like 'camera?' -- 'yes' -- 'ok' | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: they obviously don't read xkcd (batteries) | 12:58 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: yes, but it's a bit hard not to explain what kind of damage you could do with the things they don't care about when they're beeing so silly | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | engineers, yeah.. | 13:00 |
| Aard | I trained to preferably only say 'yes' and 'no' at security nowadays, is better for me | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'll go for a 'specialist' title but never 'engineer' | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:00 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: have a safe flight | 13:03 |
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| harbaum | Stskeeps: xkcd bag check is nice :-) | 13:16 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I'm sitting next to gate 30, might move to the other side of that gate pair(29). | 13:38 |
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| NeeDforKill | hello | 14:48 |
| NeeDforKill | nemo n900 now have filesystem? | 14:48 |
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| timoph | hmmh. are pykickstart, etc. mic2 dependencies available somewhere in obs for Mer x86? | 17:01 |
| * timoph can't seem to find them | 17:01 | |
| timoph | asking before starting to build them.. | 17:02 |
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| lbt | anyone going to / at beer fest at FOSDEM? | 17:21 |
| lbt | me+phaeron are about to make our way there.. | 17:21 |
| slaine | lbt, have one for me | 17:21 |
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| phaeron | timoph: try the tools project | 17:41 |
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| timoph | doesn't seem to have everything I need | 17:44 |
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| crevetor | hey guys | 19:25 |
| crevetor | congrats on the spark. I'm getting one as soon as it's out | 19:25 |
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| nsuffys | crevetor: hey : Me too ! I'm waiting ! Plasma Active is awesome ! | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.androidcentral.com/miui-rom-going-open-source?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter | 23:03 |
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