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| sonach | Stskeeps: I got a new board with 256MB flash. Now from "ps -ef f| grep qtmediahub", I can confirm that qtmediahub is running. But I still cannot see anything on the TV screen. How to diagnosis this problem? | 02:33 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: From /home/mer/.Xorg.0.log, It seems that Xorg is working... | 02:37 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Since YPbPr output uses /dev/fb2 on hi3716m, I did the following "rm /dev/fb0; ln -s /dev/fb2 /dev/fb0; kill PID_OF_QTMEDIAHUB". then qtmediahub and Xorg were restarted by systemd. | 02:41 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I find that no "ifconfig" command exists on Mer. How to config the network then? | 02:44 |
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| cxl000 | sonach net-tools provides /sbin/ifconfig | 04:55 |
| sonach | cxl000: thank you. but /sbin/ifconfig is not there. maybe I should add extra packages when building my rootfs:) | 05:30 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: I have used http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.0.2/, but the result rootfs is bigger than previous... I don't know why... | 05:43 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: the previous rootfs is built upon http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1 | 05:45 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: hmmm | 06:02 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Nice to see you:) | 06:02 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Now my questions are: | 06:03 |
| sonach | (1) nothing on TV screen; | 06:03 |
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| sonach | (2) footprint. Now I only have one board with 256MB flash. others are 128MB. | 06:04 |
| sonach | The first question(nothing on TV screen) is more important. | 06:06 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: footprint i can first truly help with when back from my trip on tuesday morning.. nothing on tv screen: can't you configure layers on the display chip to make fb0 the primary one and fb1 fb2 disabled? | 06:07 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe there is a missing 'fbset' needed | 06:09 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. I will wait you back about footprint. | 06:09 |
| sonach | what do you mean by "maybe there is a missing 'fbset' needed"? | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, if the framebuffers are set up correctly | 06:10 |
| sonach | So, is there any tool to test the framebuffer on Mer? | 06:10 |
| sonach | maybe I can just find some tools from vendor's sdk package? | 06:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 06:11 |
| sonach | When testing xbmc in meego's chroot, we just "rm /dev/fb0" and then "ln -s /dev/fb2 /dev/fb0" for YPbPr output. That works fine. | 06:12 |
| sonach | Anyway, I think I should test framebuffer first... | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so your output framebuffer is actually fb2? | 06:13 |
| sonach | Yes. In vendor's document, it states that fb0 is for standard output, fb2 is for high-definite output. | 06:15 |
| sonach | Hmmm, maybe I can try /dev/fb0 with AV output... | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, we should make xorg use fb2 then | 06:16 |
| sonach | after doing "ln -s", I kill qtmediahub. Then systemd restarts Xorg and qtmediahub. Is that right? | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's normal | 06:17 |
| sonach | So I think Xorg will in fact use fb2, | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | check /var/log/Xorg.log.0 or /home/mer/.Xorg.0.log | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | it should say | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, you should reboot so fb0 fb1 fb2 is back to normal, and then find guide how to make xorg.conf tell xorg how to use alternative fb2 device | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | but test with standard output first | 06:20 |
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| sonach | OK. then: (1) test with standard output; (2) make xorg.conf use fb2; (3) use tools to test framebuffer. | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | i have to go to offic , good luck with it | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | office | 06:21 |
| sonach | thank you for your time:) | 06:22 |
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| Stskeeps | and switch to qt-qmlviewer instead of qtmediahub, then we are sure it's not qtmediahub making trouble | 06:27 |
| sonach | yes, that's a good idea. We will do that at once:) | 06:28 |
| timoph | morn | 06:32 |
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| sonach | timoph: morning:) | 06:39 |
| Sage | sonach: out of interest how much the image size did reduce with the latest prerelease? | 06:44 |
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| sonach | Sage: the image size become bigger with the latest prerelease... | 06:46 |
| Sage | bigger? shouldn't have | 06:47 |
| Sage | sonach: can you pastie the package list? | 06:47 |
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| sonach | OK, wait a minute... | 06:47 |
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| sonach | Sage: http://pastie.org/3294026 | 06:54 |
| Sage | that really should be smaller image than before | 06:56 |
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| Sage | at least most of the qt-mobility deps that isn't needed are not present anymore | 06:56 |
| sonach | Sage: It also puzzles me. Now I am rebuilding rootfs with previous repo. I will show you the result at once. | 06:57 |
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| sonach | Sage: with 0.20120120.1, the package list is http://pastie.org/3294043. the uncompressed rootfs size is 207MB. | 07:01 |
| sonach | Sage: with 0.20120209.0.0.2, the uncompressed rootfs size is s220MB. | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. this may be related to something i did | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | there was a bug with locales and sorting of filenames and i had to revert a 13mb footprint saving patch | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | basically it was supposed to remove locales we didn't use | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | but for some reason it also messed up sorting files in a directory | 07:03 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/362 after this usbutils needs restart in review | 07:04 |
| Sage | quite nice, ~19 packages saved with the qt-mobility thing in that image | 07:05 |
| sonach | Yes, 19 packages are saved:) from 192 to 173. | 07:06 |
| * Sage ponders if rpm really needs "Requires: curl coreutils db4-utils" | 07:08 | |
| Sage | would have though that is uses libs and not binaries for curl and db4 at least. | 07:09 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: It seems that even I don't create a file like "20-mer-fb.conf" under etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, Mer will use fb0 by default. Isn't it? | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | autodetection | 07:19 |
| Sage | hmmp... pulseaudio-module-x11 is the only package that depends on sed in the nemo image | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: also in (pre) (post)? | 07:24 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: we test qmlviewer using AV output. still nothing on TV screen. Maybe we should test framebuffer then... | 07:24 |
| Sage | it is just Requires: nothing else | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes, try to manually test framebuffer without xorg | 07:25 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: another question, can you put ifconfig to mer-core in next release? | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: you can probably add it in %packages by net-tools | 07:26 |
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| Stskeeps | (i think) | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, that sounds like a good thing to add | 07:26 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. I will try it later. | 07:27 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3294132 | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: there's a lot of places that just assume 'sed' is there | 07:27 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3294134 | 07:27 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes, just wondering what happens if use doesn't install pulseaudio :) | 07:28 |
| Sage | s/use/user/ | 07:28 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Now when I kill qmlviewer and Xorg, systemd will restart them. Can I modifiy some files to disable this? I want to manually start Xorg and qmlviewer instead of automation. | 07:28 |
| Sage | sonach: uxlaunch starts Xorg not systemd. systemd starts uxlaunch | 07:29 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: systemctl disable uxlaunch.service -- (sage, this the right one?) | 07:30 |
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| sonach | oops... | 07:30 |
| sonach | systemctl will report error, | 07:31 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: it is an old problem.... | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | then maybe 'stop' | 07:31 |
| ZiQiangHuan | http://pastie.org/3294155 | 07:32 |
| * Stskeeps has to go again | 07:32 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes but you need probably systemctl stop uxlaunch.service as well before disable [cc: sonach ] | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | simplest way is to remove uxlaunch.service ;) | 07:32 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager | 07:33 |
| Sage | sonach: what command did you execute when you got that? | 07:33 |
| sonach | just execute "systemctl" | 07:33 |
| Sage | it is always usefull to add also command to pastie before the output | 07:33 |
| Sage | sonach: well that should work and list active services | 07:34 |
| niqt | morn | 07:34 |
| Sage | sonach: To disable uxlaunch you can do also: ln -sf /dev/null /etc/systemd/system/uxlaunch.service | 07:35 |
| Sage | sonach: that masks the service and systemd will not try to start it on boot. | 07:35 |
| * Sage will disappear for hour or two. | 07:37 | |
| sonach | Sage: OK. thank you:) | 07:37 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:05 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/01/meet-spark-the-200-slate-packing-linux-based-plasma-active-ux/ | 09:18 |
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| mdfe_ | :) | 09:20 |
| matrixx | managed to type the source of information :/ | 09:22 |
| matrixx | *typo | 09:22 |
| * lbt reads the comments and wonders if "Harry Tucker" got a pony for christmas too... | 09:27 | |
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| matrixx | lbt: :D | 09:32 |
| veskuh | Ars Techinca article is better than the engadget one | 09:33 |
| veskuh | as usual.. | 09:33 |
| w00t | veskuh: link? | 09:36 |
| veskuh | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/01/new-kde-tablet-to-liberate-linux-enthusiasts-from-walled-garden.ars | 09:36 |
| w00t | ta | 09:40 |
| timoph | funny how the commenters argue about the important things there :p | 09:40 |
| veskuh | timoph: yep | 09:41 |
| X-Fade | It makes clear that this community needs some awesome designers though. | 09:43 |
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| X-Fade | While you can demo cool features, if it looks 'old' people will discard it as meh... | 09:43 |
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| dcthang | someone knows problem with camera on N950? | 09:52 |
| veskuh | What problem? | 09:53 |
| dcthang | one problem is that we can use gstreamer to record video but cannot use QCamera to do that task | 09:53 |
| dcthang | camerabin can ring a bell? | 09:53 |
| veskuh | there is a bug about recording video with camera app, but not for other things | 09:54 |
| dcthang | Can you show me that bug? | 09:55 |
| veskuh | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29 | 09:56 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Hi, I'm the member of sonach's team. And I want to install xterm to test whether Xorg is OK. But when I use "rpm -ivh xterm-276-1.4.Mer.armv7l.rpm", I got the error http://pastie.org/3294817 | 10:21 |
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| phaeron | ZiQiangHuan: is the free diskspace still 0 ? | 10:26 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://qtl.merproject.org/65de8140-4cb6-11e1-af8b-00163e6e0038.html <- ? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | what arch? | 10:31 |
| Sage | i586 | 10:32 |
| Sage | I haven't seen that kind of error before | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | .. no, that shouldn't happen i presume | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | was it udev change? | 10:32 |
| Sage | yes, there is also Package had unsatisified dependancies on Core_i586, awarding 0 as this may be a fluke not seen in localdep testing | 10:33 |
| Sage | http://review.merproject.org/#change,360 | 10:33 |
| Sage | that one | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | unresolvable udev, interesting | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have to check that later | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't include kmod yet in actual <packages> until sometime last night | 10:35 |
| Sage | hmmp... udev build ok, but others didn't so it must have seen that | 10:36 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | phaeron: The free diskspace is not 0. | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: in /, rpm2cpio xterm*rpm | cpio -idv | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | that bypasses the rpm database | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | not sure why it's broken on there | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | maybe jffs2 related | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://elinux.org/RPM_jffs2_issue seems to be the issue | 10:47 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: hi, could you add the package 'sample-media' to the worker config of bigger packages? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | read last two lines | 10:47 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: is that like xip ? | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: no, pre-ubifs flash file system | 10:48 |
| phaeron | I meant xip as in execution in place stuff | 10:48 |
| lbt | mdfe_: mmm can you explain | 10:49 |
| mdfe_ | hi | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ah, no | 10:49 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=sample-media&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&repository=CE_UX_PlasmaActive_i586 | 10:49 |
| mdfe_ | Buffer I/O error on device hda1 | 10:49 |
| lbt | mdfe_: sure... I misunderstood | 10:50 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: more disk space is needed to build the sample-media package | 10:50 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: great thanks :) | 10:51 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Do you mean I can use command "%__dbi_cdb create private nommap txn"? | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | In order to deal with this issue please create /etc/rpm/macros.rpmdb file with the next line: | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | %__dbi_cdb create private nommap txn | 10:52 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: got the error: "-bash: fg: %__dbi_cdb: no such job" | 10:53 |
| lbt | mdfe_: OK - that should have done it | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ok, when something says 'create with the next line', it means, create a file, put this line in it :) | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | so like echo '%__dbi_cdb create private nommap txn | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | so like echo '%__dbi_cdb create private nommap txn' > /etc/rpm/macros.rpmdb | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | i mean | 10:54 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: awesome :) | 10:54 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: sorry for my poor english, I'll have a try like you said. | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: ah, don't worry about it, it's fine | 10:56 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I test it, but got the same error | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: cat /etc/rpm/macros.rpmdb | 11:02 |
| lbt | bbiab | 11:02 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: yes, I cat and got %__dbi_cdb create private nommap txn | 11:02 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: any other way to test Xorg ? | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: qmlviewer, maybe | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: or cheat, cd /; rpm2cpio xterm*rpm | cpio -idv | 11:08 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: now I'm testing qmlview. But got nothing with AV output. | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:09 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I delete /lib/systemd/system/uxlaunch.service. And reboot. Then I type "export DISPLAY=":0.0"; Xorg &; xhost +; qmlviewer. And qmlviewer is running with log messages http://pastie.org/3295079 | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | looks correct | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | and still no display on screen? | 11:20 |
| ZiQiangHuan | yes | 11:20 |
| ZiQiangHuan | no display on screen | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | check /home/mer/.Xorg.0.log and see what fb0 it uses | 11:25 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3295121 | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok, please check that your fb's are actually working | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | else debugging this will be difficult | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb1 | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb2 | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | find out which one shows up on your screen | 11:33 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: fb0 shows up | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | and you haven't modified the /dev/fb* files at all i hope? | 11:35 |
| ZiQiangHuan | no, I didn't | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | try with xterm then | 11:35 |
| Sage | lbt: do we have guide how to remove package from mer core? or submit removal request? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | there's a guide which basically says 'file a bug' or 'hassle stskeeps' | 11:37 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: :) | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | "When RPM can't decipher a package's version number, it's time to pull out the serial tag. This tag is used to help RPM determine version number ordering. Here's a sample serial tag line: | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | Serial: 42 | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | " | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | wh | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | wth | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
| Sage | Serial tag... never seen that before. | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i'm discovering new crazy things every day | 11:39 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: can I use the xterm*.rpm : http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/vgrade:/PA2/Mer_Core_armv7l/armv7l/xterm-276-1.4.Mer.armv7l.rpm ? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:43 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: It's time for me to go back home. I will test xterm tomorrow. Thanks for your help. | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | have a good evening | 11:45 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: where is repomd-pattern-builder? didn't make it to last release? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | it didn't, i think, check the pastie i had yesterday? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | i might have by accident forgotten to add it as package | 12:00 |
| Sage | it wasn't in your pastie yesterday evening so I though it was in the release already :/ | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | i will try to remember later | 12:02 |
| Sage | hmmp... it was in pickup 10th of january | 12:03 |
| Sage | so should be in release | 12:03 |
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| Sage | at least it is in prerelease | 12:04 |
| Sage | yes, it is in .0.0.2 prerelease now | 12:04 |
| Sage | so I need to wait for the next release before start pushing the package group packages | 12:05 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=pattern-mw-shared&project=home%3Asage%3Apatterns <- example of usage. | 12:06 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: no removal process yet... | 12:30 |
| lbt | Sage: I think the serial tag is intended when upstream version is not sane ... Version: is supposed to be upstream | 12:30 |
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| lbt | eg if upstream used sha1 as their only version | 12:30 |
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| Sage | lbt: well, how does that help as the Serial is handled last "When RPM can't decipher a package's version number, it's time to pull out the serial tag..." | 12:31 |
| Sage | or at least so I get from that | 12:31 |
| lbt | I think serial is used for ver comparison | 12:32 |
| lbt | http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-inside-tags.html#S3-RPM-INSIDE-SERIAL-TAG | 12:32 |
| * lbt is actually astounded that he found documentation ... although whether obs/rpm actually does what the docs say is another matter :) | 12:33 | |
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| * Sage thinks he has read that chapter before couple of years ago. | 12:34 | |
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| vgrade | lbt, nice link, I've downloaded Maximum Rpm pdf for my EUROSTAR journey to FOSDEM | 12:41 |
| * Bostik found out the hard way what a torture to OBS a webkit build is | 12:42 | |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: gdwarf-4 makes it a -lot- lighter | 12:43 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: hmm, now that's a nice thing to know | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | we switched entire mer to that and it cut several hundred mbs in debug symbos | 12:43 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: once I get this thing built functionally, I can start experimenting with different build flags; gdwarf-4 is new, --with-gnu-ld is something I already know I should check out | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: :nod: | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | we also switched to gnu hash style | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | gnu as and gnu ld sounds like good options to add too | 12:45 |
| Bostik | final linking of libwebkitgtk slurps something like 3.1GB of memory, then doing the debug symbol split slurps something along the same lines... | 12:45 |
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| Stskeeps | if you find any nice tricks like that, like making gtk asume gnu ld and gnu as, add it to mer architectual backlog | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | that really ought to be in our toolchain | 12:46 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: my primary goal right now is getting wayland-enabled GTK to run gtkwebkit :) | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'll add that then | 12:47 |
| vgrade | lbt, shirts arrived, thanks | 12:48 |
| lbt | :) | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: what's the motivation for --with-gnu-ld? | 12:49 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: your comments as seen here :) | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:50 |
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| Bostik | but rest assured, I'll certainly provide data once I have anything and know what (if any) it helped | 12:53 |
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| Sage | is there links in wiki about Mer logos and icons that can be used? | 13:19 |
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| Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to copy to merproject wiki | 13:20 |
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| Sage | hmmp... I was wondering more like icon that is in wiki page top left corner? | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a SVG file | 13:20 |
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| Sage | url(/images/Mer_Logo.png) but what is the prefix for that :) | 13:22 |
| lbt | I have the svg to hand too | 13:22 |
| Sage | ah, typo | 13:22 |
| Sage | http://wiki.merproject.org/images/Mer_Logo.png <- was looking for this | 13:23 |
| lbt | yep, that's mine too | 13:23 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: hi, how can I find out the worker by obs package log file? | 13:23 |
| lbt | Sage: let me know if you need higer res | 13:23 |
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| lbt | mdfe_: url of the log? | 13:24 |
| mdfe_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv8el&package=kde-workspace&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&repository=CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl | 13:24 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: where can I find the qemu version that you use for armhf arch? (if it isn't pristine upstream version) | 13:24 |
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| Sage | lbt: I think that is enough for me | 13:24 |
| lbt | "pubworker03 started "build kde-workspace.spec" at Wed Feb 1 13:10:35 UTC 2012." | 13:24 |
| mdfe_ | thanks | 13:24 |
| lbt | you can also see the specific 'root' which is occasionally important when debugging | 13:25 |
| mdfe_ | yepp | 13:25 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: what about https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Asage%3Amkcal ? | 13:53 |
| Sage | the qtorganizer thingy | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | mmm | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | kcalcore is maintained upstream and not a mer one, right | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | mkcal i bet is unmaintained | 13:55 |
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| Sage | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 | 13:55 |
| Sage | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mkcal <- seems correct guess :) | 13:56 |
| Sage | but I don't know any other options | 13:57 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: for both it would make sense to try to merge it with kde-versions, and use the kde ones | 13:59 |
| Sage | Aard: does kde-version have heavy dependencies to kdelibs? | 14:00 |
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| Aard | Sage: there was some effort to allow building the stuff without much dependencies, and by the time we got cancelled it was pretty close to usable | 14:02 |
| Aard | unfortunately, I didn't have time to track what happened the last months, so I'm not sure of the current status | 14:02 |
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| Aard | the plan (from nokia) was to have only upstream versions in meego 1.3 | 14:02 |
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| zester | Has anyone tested out Wayland recently? | 17:05 |
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| zumbi | ok arm? | 17:08 |
| zumbi | *on ARM? | 17:09 |
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| cajl | Hello | 17:10 |
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| cajl | i would like ton install plasma on Archos gen 9 | 17:10 |
| cajl | have you a process ? | 17:10 |
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| cajl | i am at this steep http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 17:20 |
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| gato | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing worked for me | 17:32 |
| gato | but it is meego UI, QT stuff | 17:32 |
| gato | as for how to go KDE/plasma or GTK/Hildon im not that far yet | 17:33 |
| gato | MEego's netconfig UI was fubar, and id have to drop to a shell and figure out if the kde stuff is in RPM repos or waht | 17:33 |
| vgrade | cajl, you need sde firmware on G9 and I don't thin its out yet, http://www.archos.com/support/support_tech/updates_dev.html?country=us&lang=en | 17:39 |
| cajl | it is a SDE for gen 8 not for gen 9 | 17:39 |
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| vgrade | cajl, yea when its released it will be on that page | 17:40 |
| cajl | i have the mer file http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_arm_install_archive/archos-generation-9/ | 17:40 |
| cajl | vgrade yes i know, i have a web site for Archos Users in France since 8 years | 17:41 |
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| vgrade | cajl, ok sorry. Just need to wait for SDE. Then write the ISO from the basyskom directory to sdcard and power on | 17:52 |
| cajl | i creating the img on sdcard and after ENJOY ? | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | evening | 18:01 |
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| cajl | is it better on 8" or 10" (i have the two) | 18:16 |
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| * Sage is looking 7day forecast for brussels weather sat night -19C and Sun nigth -18C o_0 | 18:23 | |
| Stskeeps | ... -19 C sat | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | well shit | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:24 |
| Sage | Day time Sat -5 and Sun -4 but the night will be cold as **** :/ | 18:25 |
| Sage | Well it is -22C here atm. so compared it is quite warm in there :) | 18:25 |
| cajl | impossible to boot on the sd card with the gen9 ! | 18:28 |
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| Sage | hmmp... ok another service shows a bit warmer. only -10C on weekend nights :) | 18:28 |
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| vgrade | cajl, as I sadi you need the sde firmware | 18:45 |
| vgrade | sadi/said | 18:45 |
| vgrade | which is not released yey | 18:46 |
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| vgrade | packs jumpers | 18:46 |
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| smoku | vgrade: and will be plasma based out-of-box, right? :) | 18:57 |
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| vgrade | smoku, not sure about what the UX plans are for the SDE G9. | 19:16 |
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| chouchoune | vgrade: it doesn't work with the "unofficial SDE" : http://www.jbmm.fr/pour-les-nuls/activer-le-mode-sde-sur-la-gen9/ | 19:43 |
| chouchoune | (this is in french, sorry ;)) | 19:43 |
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| chouchoune | ? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | evening chouchoune, how is it going? | 19:44 |
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| chouchoune | evening Stskeeps | 19:45 |
| chouchoune | I'm fine and you ? | 19:45 |
| _av500_ | ah, cajl left already | 19:45 |
| chouchoune | I have lot of work these days | 19:45 |
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| chouchoune | so a bit tired ;) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i can't wait till this week is over | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | on business trip at the moment and then fosdem friday-monday | 19:46 |
| chouchoune | hehe | 19:46 |
| chouchoune | I'll go to fosdem too ;) | 19:46 |
| * w00t has a holiday the whole of next week | 19:46 | |
| w00t | yaaaa-boo :P | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: cool, coming to the mobile linux devroom? | 19:46 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: of course | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 19:47 |
| vgrade | chouchoune, not sure | 19:49 |
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| chouchoune | vgrade: ok, I may try one day as I have an archos G9 tablet but I would prefer to wait until an official SDE | 19:49 |
| _av500_ | i think the hacked sde misses the boot from sd or so | 19:51 |
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| chouchoune | that would not be a problem for me to erase android or to install on disk alongside Android as I don't use it ... but I would prefer an unofficial thing | 19:58 |
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| _av500_ | ics will be out soon, then sde is the next thing i hope | 20:01 |
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| chouchoune | that would be appreciated ;) | 20:02 |
| chouchoune | for the moment, my tablet is a brick for me | 20:02 |
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| nsuffys | Hello ;) | 20:09 |
| nsuffys | Salut chouchoune , comment va ? On se retrouve ^^ | 20:09 |
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| chouchoune | salut nsuffys ;) | 20:10 |
| chouchoune | are you going to fosdem ? | 20:10 |
| nsuffys | no, working :/ | 20:11 |
| harbaum | are there thoughts to bring the old maemo5 qt theming to mer? | 20:12 |
| nsuffys | hmmm I can't stop playing with Plasma Active since I discovered it | 20:12 |
| w00t | harbaum: it's not just theming | 20:12 |
| w00t | Qt on maemo5 is a pretty invasive fork | 20:12 |
| w00t | and I'm fairly sure that the look and feel would also require hildon | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: only one i know of is the MTF-based stuff, at least in plugin form | 20:13 |
| harbaum | i still don't want to give up the idea of running the old maemo5 stuff | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:13 |
| harbaum | but the mtf based stuff has major problems | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:13 |
| w00t | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/HEAD/src/gui/styles/qmaemo5style.cpp | 20:14 |
| w00t | yup, it requires hildon | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | but it is a style plugin? | 20:14 |
| w00t | at least partly, yes. | 20:14 |
| w00t | not all of it | 20:14 |
| harbaum | oh, wow, a qt theme that requires a gtk :-) i didn't expect that | 20:14 |
| w00t | combo box etc all had to be hacked to hell | 20:14 |
| w00t | like i said.. invasive port | 20:14 |
| w00t | harbaum: the desktop gtk style also uses gtk | 20:15 |
| harbaum | funny. i thought they only interpret the gtk style files | 20:15 |
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| w00t | nope :-) | 20:15 |
| w00t | things like the save dialog etc are actually provided by gtk in that case, too | 20:16 |
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| zester | What linux distro is Mer based on? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | i think the path goes a little like meego->moblin->{fedora, suse} | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit of it's own at times, but we're fairly close to fedora | 20:21 |
| zester | Would just using the rpm5 python api's be ok? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | that's not possible | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | there's rpm python apis though | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | rpm4 | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | read up on the RPM4 vs RPM5 confusion :) | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://trainofthoughts.org/blog/2008/01/06/rpm5-vs-rpm/ | 20:30 |
| zester | Ok rpm4 seems to have more docs anyways :) | 20:30 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: is mer rpm4 or rpm5? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: rpm4 | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | (4.9.1.2) | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | if you're asking why rpm4 and not rpm5, i can't exactly give you a good answer on the spot :) | 20:33 |
| _av500_ | s | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | except that 'this was the codeline we've been following' | 20:33 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: i was told asking that was a good conversation starter.. | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, i started out with slackware, so i'm not really passionate about either | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:33 |
| Free-MG | It is possible, nemo-mobile and MeeGo Harmattan on the N9 to start without a pc, it is planned? | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | Free-MG: little difficult when there's no hook for it in the bootloader | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | Free-MG: you can possibly dual boot unsecure harmattan and nemo, but.. | 20:35 |
| gato | who would buy a n9 if you cant install what you want on it | 20:36 |
| gato | sounds worse than n900, which arent particularly open either | 20:36 |
| gato | i see a variety of archos 4.3" tablets, but i think theyre not G9 series | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | gato: well, you can flash a kernel permanently.. | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | and a rootfs too | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | and n900 is fairly open :) | 20:37 |
| zester | So testing on Fedora 16 should be ok? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | zester: :nod: | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: http://lwn.net/Articles/441085/ makes me wonder if it's the third rail of distributions.. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: ie, touch the topic and you die.. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:38 |
| zester | :) Not interested in politics | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:39 |
| * Stskeeps would much rather just code | 20:39 | |
| _av500_ | just use ipkg | 20:39 |
| zester | Second that lol | 20:40 |
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| gato | yeh discounting a variety of maemo proprietary drivers/firmwares/userspace-daemons and NOLO proprietary bootloader, it looks like you can finaly do most things on 3.2-kernel + a few git-repo drivers + debian now maybe sans GPS. havent had enough time to fiddle with it all yet though | 20:41 |
| gato | mer definitely provides a simpler base to build upon than 'in-the-dark' hacking... | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | gato: we have a very good 2.6.37 kernel with power management, at least | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | spent a lot of time on that | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | and trying to upstream what we could | 20:42 |
| zester | ipkg appears to not be developed any more main site is down and wikipedia says last stable release was 5 years ago. Plus i just need an api | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm reading about rpm5 and everyone says they love the advantages | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | except i can't figure out any place they're actually listed. | 20:45 |
| _av500_ | maybe that is one of them | 20:45 |
| zester | Rpm5 is suppose to be more portable amongs differant distros and faster | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i get that, though a little confusing on why :P | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm trying to do an honest technical review of this) | 20:48 |
| zester | More C less python in the code base, apparently | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if there's any except for bindng | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | in rpm | 20:48 |
| zester | I use Arch Linux lol, last time I used an rpm based distro was redhat 8 | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | what's arch derived from, btw? | 20:49 |
| zester | I think Crux but they say its a distro of there own. | 20:49 |
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| zester | http://crux.nu/ | 20:50 |
| gato | arch is a cleanroom pkg manager i guess | 20:50 |
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| gato | so much overlap with AUR and Gentoo+overlays its kind of disappointin to see diverging effforts. instead of a DOAP/RDF oriented set of signed pointers to tarballs or somethin | 20:50 |
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| gato | then we could have a race for the best package manager, and Paludis would win | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so a hybrid ports-binary package thing | 20:51 |
| zester | What distros use Paludis? | 20:51 |
| zester | Looks interesting | 20:52 |
| zester | Looks like a Gentoo deal | 20:52 |
| zester | I just might build a distro using that :) | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | at some point you just stop caring about people's almost religious beliefs in package manager virtues and start caring about what's above :P | 20:55 |
| zester | lol | 20:55 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: you mean like widget toolkits? | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: widgets are so 90's | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:56 |
| zester | As long as there is a c, lua or python api to use and the package manager works and works well doesnt make a differance to me :) | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | zester: how's citrus coming along? | 20:57 |
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| zester | Well I have two version 1. C++, Python, QML and 2. Python and QML | 20:57 |
| zester | Right now I am working on the Python and QML version | 20:58 |
| zester | And I have a partial QML widget toolkit up | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: just be aware you shouldn't reinvent the wheel always | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | you can re-use qt components | 20:59 |
| zester | Actualy I was doing the widget toolkit thing to become more familar with build reusable components | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's okay too | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes qml components doesn't always stretch | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | zester: if you don't mind asking, what do you do as a day job? | 21:01 |
| zester | I don't I am us military vet | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:01 |
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| zester | I program and take care of my little ones | 21:02 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:02 |
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| zester | Did any of you get the new humble bundle? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | sadly i don't have much time for games :P i spend time on Widelands usually | 21:04 |
| phaeron | I planning on getting it | 21:05 |
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| * lbt has a few of them | 21:14 | |
| lbt | don't play much | 21:14 |
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| lbt | back now btw | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 21:20 |
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| zester | lbt whereare you from? | 21:21 |
| lbt | star dust | 21:22 |
| lbt | but where I arrived is Reading in the UK | 21:22 |
| zester | Are you anywheres near Pittsburgh, PA | 21:22 |
| lbt | yes, depending on scale | 21:23 |
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| lbt | I take it that's ~ your current location ? :) | 21:23 |
| zester | I am not far from there and hour or two away | 21:24 |
| * Stskeeps glances at mkbaselibs | 21:24 | |
| Stskeeps | i think one day i may be put to justice for the crimes against humanity i'm about to commit | 21:24 |
| lbt | mkbaselibs? | 21:25 |
| lbt | isn't that deb? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | no, rpm too | 21:25 |
| lbt | OK, I remember writing a fair bit in there | 21:25 |
| zester | My sister lives in london she says you people are crazy. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: okay, so i have a dirty idea.. so you know pkgconfig(x) in requires, right? | 21:26 |
| zester | And london is super loud | 21:26 |
| lbt | yes | 21:26 |
| lbt | zester: it is ... I live in the country | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i want to post-process a rpm to wrap all requires and provides in cross() | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | (name up for discussion) | 21:27 |
| lbt | in the spec? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | nop, in the built rpm | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | just like baselibs.conf allows me to make a armv7l rpm from a i586 one | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | and do unspeakable things to it like adding post scripts, etc | 21:28 |
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| * lbt opens up build src and reminds himself | 21:30 | |
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| zester | Anyone tested wayland recently? | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's going towards 1.0 supposedly | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | typically you won't need to care about it, toolkits do that for you | 21:31 |
| zester | Apparently there about to release a stable 1.0 build | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | and compositor | 21:31 |
| lbt | "there" is a syntax error | 21:31 |
| lbt | so Stskeeps, what would you add to the baselibs.conf syntax? | 21:33 |
| zester | You use Qt's compositor api to build window managers, but it depends on wayland | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | zester: saw Lipstick? | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: my rather crazy idea is automated baselibs.conf usage for each package in a project to send it across to arm/mips/etc scheduler | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: where it'll export each package, but with dependencies wrapped in cross | 21:35 |
| lbt | auto sb2-variant? | 21:35 |
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| zester | Lipstick api, wm, compositor? | 21:35 |
| zester | Link :) | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | so like requires/provides cross(libacl.so.1) | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | zester: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM | 21:35 |
| lbt | what actually is cross(libacl.so.1) ? | 21:36 |
| lbt | cf normal libacl.so.1 | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it manifests the dependancy on something alien to the architecture | 21:36 |
| zester | ;P Haaa I had the idea first lol | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | zester: idea's old :P (qtwayland) | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ie, i technically have a seperate dependency tree inside my target rpm database | 21:37 |
| lbt | I'm wondering why do it on export, not import | 21:37 |
| lbt | export requires pre-preparation | 21:37 |
| lbt | import would be able to handle any non-native arch package | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | better integration into OBS dependancy handling | 21:38 |
| zester | Only problem is you can embed things like gimp using that approch | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | export would be automatic and used for a 'toolchain' | 21:38 |
| lbt | ie we wouldn't need to write cross-libresolv | 21:38 |
| zester | Not sure how he got an xterm in there | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: right, and not two rpm dbs.. | 21:39 |
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| lbt | although that may be cleaner | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | it may be, but otoh, it adds double of each logic | 21:39 |
| lbt | hmm | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | think of this as my split into toolchain and core | 21:39 |
| lbt | OK - so if the baselibs.conf did an sb2export | 21:40 |
| lbt | then you'd post process to add a cross(x) | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | right, so in practice, i can install into the 'native tools' side of SB2 with full dependency handling | 21:41 |
| lbt | what needs to grok cross() | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | nothing, in rpm that's just a text format | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | pkgconfig(x) is a fictional construct too | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | gets added when /usr/lib/pkgconfig/foo.pc exists | 21:41 |
| lbt | but its dependency-resolvable ? | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | right | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's a dependancy, just like libacl.so.1 and /usr/bin/foobar is | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | (though /usr/bin/foobar is handled a little differently in rpm..) | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | my idea is then to be able to do requires: cross(armv7hl-gcc) in prjconf and it'll add that to the sb2 tools side | 21:44 |
| zester | Hmmmm, still looks like there is no support for QX11EmbedContainer in QML | 21:44 |
| lbt | and you've messed with the rpm that it eventually picks | 21:45 |
| lbt | and that rpm will require: cross(libgop.so.1) or something | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | right | 21:45 |
| lbt | messed with via mkbaselibs responding to an export-like directiv | 21:46 |
| lbt | e | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | right now sb2 tools is just a big monolothic rpm | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | which isn't very clean | 21:46 |
| lbt | how special is the rpm before the export? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | pristine | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | there is an obvious problem with post/pre install scripts, though | 21:47 |
| lbt | doesn't know it's destined to be exported | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | right | 21:47 |
| lbt | yeah - I recall having to mess with pkging to remove pre/post | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | though since it's a toolchain set it's a little different on what we would need to do | 21:47 |
| lbt | I got around that by installing the real one 'properly' | 21:47 |
| lbt | so all scripts ran | 21:48 |
| lbt | and then swapping out the binaries | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:48 |
| lbt | so ... what would be the problem with running the scripts? | 21:49 |
| lbt | hmm | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | we probably have to add /toolchain/ to each filename path, which in turn will be run as / | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:49 |
| lbt | idea.... | 21:49 |
| lbt | supplemental package | 21:49 |
| lbt | and when you sb2export | 21:49 |
| lbt | it adds a predepend on the sb2 conf package | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 conf package? | 21:50 |
| lbt | doesn't sb2 need to know about the binaries in some cases? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | right now we make two directories, tools and target | 21:51 |
| lbt | so, what's the issue with scripts? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | think hardcoded paths | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | ie, if we execute them while it's getting installed into /toolchain , they're not realizing they'll be run as / eventually | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | or that the files are in /toolchain/foo instead | 21:53 |
| lbt | OK, not done enough to know that bit... | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, just weighing ideas a bit | 21:55 |
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| Stskeeps | the current approach isn't pretty, so | 21:55 |
| lbt | it kinda sounds like the pre/post scripts may need to be manually modified | 21:57 |
| lbt | and is it just pre/post? | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | i would think, at least | 21:57 |
| lbt | so I'm thinking of using the mkbaselibs to disable the pre/post and having this additional package provide modified versions | 21:59 |
| lbt | but that may not work either | 21:59 |
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| lbt | mkbaselibs for debian did a full unpack and repack | 22:00 |
| lbt | so it could do anything | 22:00 |
| lbt | handle_debs() was so much nicer than handle_rpms() | 22:02 |
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| hoverbear | Hey all, are there any screenshot galleries of mer's default UI? | 22:43 |
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| lbt | hoverbear: Mer has no default UI | 22:57 |
| hoverbear | lbt: Even better then expected! :) Thanks! | 22:59 |
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| lbt | np... | 22:59 |
| lbt | The idea is that we provide the core and the vendor provides the hardware and UI specifics | 23:00 |
| lbt | what's your interest if you don't mind me asking? | 23:00 |
| hoverbear | lbt: Was just loking at the spark and got curious | 23:01 |
| lbt | OK | 23:02 |
| lbt | we're quite pleased to see that out there | 23:03 |
| lbt | have you seen www.merproject.org ? good jumping off point | 23:03 |
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| zester | <lbt> You sound like a sales man ;) | 23:34 |
| lbt | thank you | 23:34 |
| lbt | I'm writing my FOSDEM presentation so I'm in that mode | 23:35 |
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| zester | Like to see that when your done. | 23:39 |
| lbt | sure - ask me post-FOSDEM since I'm likely to change it the night before :) | 23:40 |
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| zester | Man Qemu without KVM is like slowly pulling teeth plyers | 23:46 |
| zester | with plyers | 23:46 |
| zester | lol whatever | 23:46 |
| lbt | :) | 23:46 |
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| zester | Fedora 15 is actually pretty sweet haven't tried installing anything yet. That will be the real test. | 23:56 |
| zester | Sorry Fedora 16 | 23:56 |
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