Tuesday, 2012-01-31

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chaboyhey there, can some one help me with an issue iam having installing nemo on my n900?00:21
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wmarone_:/ nc battery dead again. I think something in Android is wigging out and eating the battery01:59
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quamworked for me chaboy02:46
quamthe meegoUX was terrible though.  i have to find this rumored Smoku GTK UI02:46
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wmarone_vgradetab: thanks for the notes on the wl1271. I had a suspicion they would hit the same issue, hope it gets resolved favorably :/03:08
wmarone_ah, there's the real makefiles03:25
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dcthangThis looks cool http://plasma-active.org/06:07
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Sagewhere was the wiki page about how to checkout old gerrit submission back to local disk?06:52
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Stskeepscontribution in detail maybe?07:05
Stskeepselse the gerrit change page tells quite well07:05
Sageyes, just tried to find the wiki page07:05
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SageStskeeps: I guess we should get rid of all Requires(post): shadow-utils type of things and replace with Requires(post): %{_sbindir}/groupadd for example?07:08
Sagejust thinking about your busybox thing07:09
Stskeepsyes, not disagreeing07:11
Stskeepsjust be careful, obs doesn't grok file deps well07:11
Stskeepsso we need to add them in prjconf07:12
SageWell in Nemo packages those have been working fine.07:12
Stskeepsmaybe they fixed it with libsolv07:13
Sage[    4.708039] hci_cmd_timer: hci0 command tx timeout07:14
Sageand not sure what caused it07:14
SageI'm guessing udev update but not sure07:15
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Stskeepswasn't there something in release notes about bt being flakey?07:15
Stskeepsof the exo07:15
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Sagemaybe, can't recall.07:19
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Stskeepsyou saw the info about belgium general strike right?07:21
Bostikinteresting thread on lkml regarding poor SSD performance with all kernels since 2.6.3907:22
Bostikit effectively ends in this: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=132799198404485&w=207:23
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SageStskeeps: yes07:28
SageStskeeps: but it is only this day right?07:28
* Sage hopes for the best07:28
Stskeepsmay have been i guess07:29
Sagealso the company that I'm flying to brussels had computer failure or something some time ago and announced today that their flighs should be back to normal again ;)07:30
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SageAnd weather seems a bit chilly as well this year it seems. Anything else? :)07:31
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Stskeepswell, by current standards it's warm07:31
Stskeepswhen i was there, 0 C in warsaw, 10 in brussels07:32
Stskeepsnow it's -10 C in warsaw and 0 in brussels :P07:32
Sagehehe :)07:32
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Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, it's about 10C here in Mountain View.   The Googlers have probably had to fire up extra servers to keep warm.08:19
Alison_ChaikenBostik, I just did a new install on an SSD.    Oh well.08:20
BostikAlison_Chaiken: well, you only need to upgrade the kernel :)08:21
BostikI wouldn't be surprised if that patch ended up on next cycle of maintenance releases08:22
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Bostik..or some variant of it in any case08:22
Alison_ChaikenBostik, right after the Intel acpi patches.08:30
Alison_ChaikenI've had problems with ExoPC stalling during boot when it initializes SSD.08:30
Alison_ChaikenIs that, Sage, what you refer to?08:30
Alison_ChaikenAnd android-x86 doesn't find its filesystem at all when booting from SSD, which is odd because it boots fine from LiveUSB.08:31
Alison_ChaikenWith ExoPC I mean.08:31
SageAlison_Chaiken: ?08:32
Alison_ChaikenCould be there's something funny about my MBR though, I guess.08:32
Alison_ChaikenSage, were you referring to SSD problems with ExoPC when I decided to check IRC before going to bed?08:32
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Alison_ChaikenPeter Mui of ICS has had similar problems as me with ExoPC SSD boot delays.08:33
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Alison_ChaikenI have an older ExoPC and a Vibe.     Problem is worse on the Vibe with the same ISO installed image.08:33
SageAlison_Chaiken: no, bluetooth problems08:34
Alison_ChaikenBluetooth!    That's for folks whose systems boot reliably!08:34
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lbtmorning all08:58
Sagemorning lbt08:59
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RaYmAnvgradetab: looks like the oldertegra2 devices are finally getting working deep sleep lp0 :)09:00
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Stskeepssonach: i'm gone today, but use http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.0.2/ , it's lower footprint for sure10:14
sonachStskeeps: Thank you! Not the "releases/latest"?10:15
Stskeepsno, this is a prerelease10:15
Stskeepsnext release is 9th of february, if we're lucky10:15
sonachStskeeps: OK, I see.  Yes, you will be lucky definitely:)10:15
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Sagenoted that we have OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP_GNOME set in Mer in default env. We might want to remove that10:37
SageOOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome that is10:37
Sageno idea where that comes from10:38
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lbtphost5 crashed again doing an rsync10:47
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SageANNOUNCEMENT: Nemo Mobile Steering Group Meeting starts in 5min.10:55
Sagein #mer-meeting10:55
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lbtStskeeps: around for RE meeting?12:01
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phaeronlbt: I think we should postpone it a bit12:06
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zester_Good morning anyone that's awake ;)14:31
LantiziaMer... this is now "new Mer" I take it... i.e. MeeGo Mer not old kinda Maemo 4 tweaked Mer14:31
lbtcorrect Lantizia14:32
lbthi zester_14:32
Lantiziaso is "new Mer" based on Debian still?14:32
Lantiziahow crap14:32
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zester_I guess Lantizia really like's debian.14:33
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lbtI feel sorry for debian14:33
lbtshame, since I run Debian on the Mer infra (and Meego infra come to that)14:34
zester_My only concern is what api I will have to use for package mangment.14:34
lbtI think we use packagekit14:35
lbtmmm ... maybe not14:35
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zester_Hmmm I hope it's not gobject based14:37
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lbtit's not14:39
lbtwe have no gtk in Mer14:39
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zester_ GStreamer is gobject based, but Qt didn't really have two much of a choice on that.14:41
lbtyou see why I make no claims towards the Mer platform architecture :D14:41
zester_They eather had to write a new decoder or use vlc. Vlc has no easy way to render to an offscreen buffer14:42
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zester_I am re-engineering Mer just incase there like ugghhhh this isn't working out.14:44
lbtsure, it's opensource14:44
zester_lbt are you a Mer dev or just hanging out?14:45
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lbtsome history : http://www.merproject.org/14:45
zester_Sounds like you weren't infavor of rpm?14:46
zester_Carsten Munk i take it?14:46
lbtI have a lot of respect for the extensive debian policy documentation14:46
* lbt is David14:46
lbtthe rpm docs suck14:47
lbtMeeGo packaging policy sucked14:47
lbtthe fact that .spec files use %XX as section headings and macro definitions tells me a lot too14:48
zester_I am a diy type. I like to start from scratch.14:48
lbthowever, rpm works fine14:48
lbtand the economics mean that switching to deb is silly14:48
lbtyeah ... I'm more an opensource kinda person than a DIYer14:49
lbtfor me it's about encouraging collaboration ... and sometimes that means compromise14:49
lbtbut together the result is better14:49
lbta lot of people start with diy because frankly it's easier14:50
zester_Well for me it's easyer to build a package manager lib and use that than to try and figure out someone elses.14:51
lbtyeah, exactly ...14:51
lbtI prefer to figure it out, contribute back to maybe the docs or code and then improve the overall OSS space14:51
lbtbut each to their own approach ... I have no problem with that14:52
zester_I like to put my idea's down and be like here take what you need & like. Disgard what you don't.14:53
lbtFor Mer, our biggest challenges are not in the code... they are in co-operative working14:53
lbt*nod* I can respect that.... the ideas and code creation is what motivates you14:53
lbtso our ideal would be to find things around Mer that need that kind of thing and hope you find it challenging14:54
zester_Well that and you never know what is and isn't going to work, so it's better to have a few options on the table.14:54
lbtthe Citrus thing is ideal14:54
zester_Citrus can go from Mobile, Tablet, Netbook to Desktop14:55
zester_Depends on what mode its in will set the layout.14:56
zester_I have all Google's, Amazon's serves's ready to be programed in14:57
zester_For instance you can setup a website on the cloud monitor and manage it reboot the server from your phone. This is an enterprise feature thou.14:58
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zester_Intel & Nokia were dumb for dropping Qt/Meego15:01
zester_There going to be sorry15:01
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zester_http://i40.tinypic.com/e9gig1.png  Citrus using WebOS Library Enyojs15:20
zester_Need to figure out why it's displaying a scrollbar15:20
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Stskeepsah, work day over15:31
lbtphost5 died again ... every time I rsync to it it freezes hard :(15:32
lbtadmin is looking at it but no clues in logs15:32
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zester_<Stskeeps> ah, work day over <--- Mine just started15:45
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zester_http://i43.tinypic.com/6p27h3.png   HTML5 Game in Citrus15:54
Stskeepshow's that embedded?15:54
befordthat's enyojs canvas game15:56
zester_It's using QML Webview15:56
befordI guess the whole thing is a webkit15:56
zester_No only part is15:56
zester_Just the game15:56
zester_Once that native qt backend is farther along ill be able to interact with client side js easyer.16:01
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Stskeepszester_: btw, re "easier to build a package manager lib", keep in mind that effectively you'll run out of own developer time at some point, with too many projects to maintain, and that's when you start to share efforts with others and other use people's efforts16:06
zester_Im not questioning anything :) I realize that. It was just an observation lol16:06
zester_Shop talk16:07
zester_I dont care what Mer is based on. Thats YOUR job lol ;)16:08
zester_<Stskeeps> Are we using Packagekit for package mangment?16:10
Stskeepsyes it is16:10
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Stskeepsrpm, zypper at least16:11
Stskeepspackagekit is an abstraction on top of that16:11
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zester_Well i meant should i be looking at the qt-package kit api for when installing apps16:12
Stskeepsi guess that'd be a good direction, yeah16:13
Stskeepswe don't provide packagekit out of the box so16:13
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zester_Hmmmm like what should i do about a gui for installing apps?16:14
zester_I can write it just need to know what api to use16:14
Stskeepsthere's various ways really - some people take app store approach16:14
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zester_Ill just use packagekit-qt2 because it support's just about every distros package manager16:47
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zesterDoes Mer have an SDK yet?17:30
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Stskeepszester: we're brewing on a platform sdk centered about scratchbox2, app sdk would be qt creator integration17:34
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zesterI mean is there an iso image or anything Mer specific17:35
Stskeeps<- carsten, btw17:35
zesterLike right now i can build apps for all platforms but, I can do anything meego specific "com.nokia.meego 1.0"17:37
zesterLol :) I cant use any meego specific apis17:37
Stskeepsokay, so you'd be interested in something bootable for an iso or something like that, like emulator?17:38
zesterSo before meego used it's own qt apis like MApplication, ... do we not have those anymore17:38
Stskeepswe don't and you shouldn't use those :P17:38
Stskeepsthat's MTF17:38
zesterK thats good17:39
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Stskeepsyou can use that llvmpipe demo thing i showed you i guess17:39
zesterAre there plans to supply a core system iso at some point17:41
Stskeepssomething along those lines yes17:42
zesterLike everything qt, qtmobility, .... all on a bootable iso?17:42
Stskeepsplatform sdk is supposed to help that17:42
Stskeepswe will start out with reference tarballs probably17:42
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nsuffyshello :)17:45
Stskeepslo nsuffys17:46
nsuffyshow are you ?17:46
nsuffysme too, lot of work...17:47
Stskeepswere you coming to fosdem, btw?17:48
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nsuffysI can't, working 6 days / 7 :/17:49
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nsuffysjust a little question, i'm playing with plasma active on my wetab with the MeeGo image, Mer image is available, but only for arm chipset... No idea if x86 image is planned ? (excuse me for my english.)17:53
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befordthere is an x86 image nsuffys17:53
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nsuffysbeford: yes, works fine, but i want with Plasma active desktop ^^17:55
befordohh sorry17:56
befordvgrade is the plasma active guy I believe :D17:56
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nsuffyshey ok , thank you ;)17:59
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vgradensuffys, there is a Mer x86 image, in fact there are two, one the devel image, the other the testing image, http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_x86_usb_live_and_install_archive/?C=M;O=D18:00
nsuffysvgrade: Thank you very much ! :D18:01
vgradensuffys, not tried the images for a while but reports from plasma guys are good18:02
nsuffysvgrade: it doesn't scare me ;)18:03
vgradensuffys, I noticed that there was no gui for wifi settings on the last image I tried so you will need connman-test package so so you can use a connman script to bringup wifi18:03
vgradensuffys, the meego image still depends on meego-settings for this functionality18:04
nsuffysvgrade: thank you for the information. I'll try as soon as possible.. when i've time18:05
phaeronvgrade: I tried the latest stuff on mer again. I am having some issues with i965 driver18:06
phaeronvgrade: kwin keeps crashing18:06
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nsuffysI will try tonight, I'd probably make a video after18:08
vgradephaeron, have you reported in #active18:11
* timoph doesn't know what to do next with the platform sdk18:12
timophactually I do but lacking knowledge18:12
Stskeepstimoph: where are you at now?18:12
timophI got the rootfs mounting pretty. zypper, etc. works and I can compile stuff with gcc in it18:13
timophso not moved that much in the last few days. been a bit busy18:13
Stskeepsokay, can you try something like mic too?18:13
Stskeepsand spectacle18:13
timophI'll install those18:13
Stskeepsand try to maybe build an x86 and a arm .ks18:14
vgradephaeron, there have been a number of crashes fixed in the last couple of days18:14
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timophStskeeps: yeah. actually haven't even tried to build the images myself yet18:15
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phaeronvgrade: yes but no one answered :(18:16
phaeronvgrade: just installed today from :Testing18:16
phaerontimoph: I had an idea besides having a --no-clean option for osc / build18:19
phaerontimoph: how about an expose command that gives access to the code being compiled _from_ inside the chroot _to_ the outside18:20
phaeron(this is in continuation of the skd meeting discussion)18:21
* timoph trying to picture how that would work18:21
befordhey Stskeeps, do the arm repos include rpmbuild?18:22
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beforduhm I was unable to install it, is it on the mer core repo? or somehwere else18:23
Stskeepsmer core is self-hosting (currently)18:23
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phaeronvgrade: should I get stuff from devel repos somewhere ?18:25
Stskeepslbt: do you have wazd's old mer presentation templates anywhere?18:26
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Stskeepslists maemo.org and old wiki..18:26
lbtStskeeps: yes18:27
* Stskeeps mumbles something about open source graphics source..18:29
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lbtI made this one too http://imagebin.org/19657418:29
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Stskeepsthat's better, yeah18:30
Stskeepsmind if i grab?18:30
lbtof course not :)18:31
lbthttp://imagebin.org/196575 maemo branded18:31
Stskeeps:nod: i like this one18:31
Stskeepswhite fonts go well on it18:32
lbtindeed :)18:32
lbtfood ... bbiab18:33
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nsuffysWow ! vgrade Plasma active Mer ! Amazing ! run better than meego based !19:02
nsuffyswhat is the SU pwd plz ?19:03
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Stskeepsmuch better coverage :)19:09
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vgradephaeron, http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_x86_usb_live_and_install_archive/?C=M;O=D has both devel amd testing ks files which you can use to get the devel repos19:15
vgradensuffys, what hardware are you on and did you take devel or testing iso?19:15
phaeronvgrade: yeah that's where I grabbed the repos19:16
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phaeronI'll chew on it for a while and see if I can come up with some proper bugreports19:17
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befordnsuffys, its probably meego or mer19:21
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vgradephaeron, ok, might be usefull, if nsuffys can see if he gets the same issues, I think he's on exopc19:21
befordnsuffys is on wetab19:21
Stskeepssame stuff :P19:21
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Stskeepsevening sledges19:23
vgradephaeron, which repos are you using devel or testing?19:23
vgradephaeron, ok19:24
phaeronwill zypper dup and see if I can pastie some error19:24
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sledgeshallo Stskeeps19:27
Stskeepssledges: how's things?19:27
phaeronwoah big update19:29
sledgeswill try to figure out how to boot linux kernel off from fastboot (following Mer on Dragonboard ambition)19:29
sledgesand ensure that I can boot back into fastboot from within linux (just like you can do this with adb)19:29
sledgesas no other bootloaders seem to be feasible on Dragonboard at the moment19:29
nsuffysvgrade: excuse me, yes, I'm on WeTab ;)19:30
nsuffysand using devel iso19:30
Stskeepssledges: fastboot's fine for mer, usually19:30
sledgesStskeeps, that's great news. now how do you reboot into fastboot from Mer?19:31
phaeronStskeeps: for QA we could provide pxe and initrd that can get rootfs from remotely19:31
Stskeepsphaeron: :nod:19:31
Stskeepssledges: well, i assume fastboot is the bootloader..?19:31
Stskeepssledges: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD19:32
phaeronStskeeps: I did pxe yesterday and got to the rootfs point19:32
sledgesyes, but to 'break' into it (to flash etc) you need a special reboot flag19:32
Stskeepsfun, well, flash a kernel permanently maybe19:32
fralsfeeling like a total failure over here, but which repo is "contextkit-maemo-mce" suppose to come from?19:33
sledgescurrent Dragonboard config is very android-centric... :( hence braking into fastboot requires executing adb reboot fastboot and then hold the defined key down while poering on19:33
Stskeepsfrals: Nemo's CE:UX:MTF19:33
sledgeshow many more acronyms? what's MTF :)19:34
fralsStskeeps: thanks! chopped that one out assuming it was only meegotouchcrap in it, but obviously i was wrong :P19:34
Stskeepsfrals: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS19:35
fralsStskeeps: thanks, somehow missed that19:36
vgradensuffys, phaeron was having kwin crash issues so I was wondering if you were having the same?  He's on the testing repos19:36
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Stskeepsthink i'll get beaten up for stating that if you were to imagine how the real world looks like, just by looking at popular linux distributions and attitudes, it'd be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pdp7-oslo-2005.jpeg ?19:37
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* phaeron clutches debian logo protectively :D19:39
Stskeepsi'm intentionally showing a pdp and not naming names19:40
Stskeepsif anyone feels hurt, maybe i'm right ;)19:40
slownice wallpaper19:40
nsuffysvgrade: I would try another day with testing repos. No problem with devel. I'll start test / use it now. It's very interesting UI ! it makes me want to buy the spark ^^19:43
vgradeok, it should be the other way around for devel and testing ie devel is cutting edge while testing is stable but I know there have been some regressions on testing recently.19:45
phaeronvgrade: why is it using meego handset desktop file for session19:47
timophhmmh. a mer wallpaper.. I'd use it :)19:47
nsuffysI would do my best to share my experiences with plasma active and another mer project. Anyway, great job!19:47
Stskeepstimoph: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork19:48
Stskeepstimoph: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer_Wazd_Wallpaper_Nokian_Ship.jpg was an interesting prediction..19:48
vgradephaeron, I guess the guys just replaced mcompositor with startactive19:48
phaeronvgrade: yeah that part is a bit weird , both using the old session= key in uxlaunch config in addition to having the desktop file19:49
vgradephaeron, I was waiting for the new kickstarter stuff to come online and make some new kickstarts for plasma19:50
* timoph now has a Mer wallpaper :)19:51
timophStskeeps: yeah :)19:51
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phaeronrebooting now to see if things changed19:52
phaeronvgrade: much better already !19:53
phaeronno kwin crash at least19:53
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phaeronwow *hat off* really big improvement19:55
vgradephaeron, what RAM use are you seeing?19:58
phaeronaround 466mb without caches19:59
phaeronI already started some apps19:59
phaeronactive browser is black though19:59
vgradeI saw browser fix yesterday I think, probably only in devel20:00
vgradeinstall nemo browser20:00
phaeronyeah I already have it installed , just can't find it in the two screenfuls of apps20:01
vgradeas I remember it does not get an icon20:01
phaeronkterminal --> helium20:01
phaeronworks perfectly :)20:01
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vgradephaeron, still work to go on RAM usage I think I we are to live within a 512MB device20:03
phaeronI have some mtf prestart stuff lying around20:04
phaeronwill disable them and check again20:04
phaeronalthough they all have startonlyin meego handset and I didn't name the plasma session that20:04
phaeronit was funny yesterday to catch kdeinit --suicide in top20:05
phaeronok clean boot 394mb without caches20:06
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phaeronbefore starting apps20:06
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Stskeepsvgrade: BTW, if you're talking to a zenithink person.. enquire on ability to get libmali built for x11 backend20:14
Stskeepswell, or amlogic for that matter20:14
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Stskeepshttp://pastie.org/3291077 <- 20120209 changelog so far20:30
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vgradeStskeeps, don't think the zenithink guys have access to that20:37
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Stskeepswell, amlogic prolly does20:38
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SageStskeeps: nice. I would need core-next cobs update and latest-prerelease link to test everything :/21:26
Stskeepsi'll see if i can get it done tomorrow21:27
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Sagehmmp... need to send temporary patch for udev so I can get usbutils patch in. I'll try to see that tomorrow21:31
SageStskeeps: could you kick connman in review?21:31
Stskeeps already passed once, i'll review it and accept it21:31
Stskeepsbut will first go into next pickup21:31
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Sagehttps://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 <- isn't this already fixed?21:35
Stskeepsyou're right21:35
Sagehttps://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121 <- and this21:36
Stskeeps yeah, fixed21:36
w00thuh, forgot to mark fixed21:38
phaeronStskeeps: Sage have you ever faced an issues where an xterm would be ok as an X session but a bash script doing a simple read doesn't21:41
Stskeepsphaeron: yes, there's no stdin?21:41
phaeronok wrong test case21:41
Stskeepsor at least it only contains EOF21:41
Stskeepstry sleep 86400 ;)21:41
phaeronsleep works21:41
phaeronbut there's an app that seems to have the same issue21:42
phaeronI guess I need to dig through its code21:42
ALoGeNohey Stskeeps i see that mer still alive :)21:46
ALoGeNohello every one21:46
StskeepsALoGeNo: very, too21:51
lbtok, img, cfe and cbe 'up'21:51
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Stskeepsok, how's cfe/cbe distributed?21:54
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* Stskeeps goes crash in bed22:06
lbtall on phost422:07
lbtall on phost5 I mean22:07
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lbtI suggest eating less or buying a springier matress22:07
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Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html was the final version, BTW22:10
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Stskeepslbt: remember https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16 for the whiteboard22:12
Stskeepsbefore fosdem22:12
lbtpart of the motivation for getting phaeron onto ldap :)22:13
lbtI checked MX -> monster22:13
lbtwe really need to take DNS to the infra too22:14
Stskeepsshadow ns, yes22:16
Stskeepsbut now slep22:16
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Stskeepsin other news, Mer governance is now in effect - http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance22:49
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smokuWould anyone "check" Fedora_16 here http://repo.pub.meego.com/Mer%3a/Tools%3a/Testing/ ?23:06
phaeronhello smoku :)23:09
smokuhi phaeron23:10
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phaeronwhat do you mean check. there is no fedora repo there23:13
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smokuphaeron: and it is one checkbox away, isn't it? ;-)23:15
phaeronI am not sure it will all build , look at the state of the opensuse repo.23:15
phaeronthe idea of these tools is too feed the SDK which is distro agnostic23:15
phaeronso you can use the sdk on any distro23:15
phaeronlbt: right ?23:16
lbtat this point we're not packaging (and testing) the tools on multiple distros23:17
phaeronis there an sdk somewhere to use ?23:17
lbtCarsten had a rootfs you could download23:18
lbtbut very much alpha/WIP23:18
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