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| chaboy | hey there, can some one help me with an issue iam having installing nemo on my n900? | 00:21 |
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| wmarone_ | :/ nc battery dead again. I think something in Android is wigging out and eating the battery | 01:59 |
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| quam | worked for me chaboy | 02:46 |
| quam | the meegoUX was terrible though. i have to find this rumored Smoku GTK UI | 02:46 |
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| wmarone_ | vgradetab: thanks for the notes on the wl1271. I had a suspicion they would hit the same issue, hope it gets resolved favorably :/ | 03:08 |
| wmarone_ | ah, there's the real makefiles | 03:25 |
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| Stskeeps | urgh | 05:24 |
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| dcthang | This looks cool http://plasma-active.org/ | 06:07 |
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| Sage | where was the wiki page about how to checkout old gerrit submission back to local disk? | 06:52 |
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| Stskeeps | contribution in detail maybe? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | else the gerrit change page tells quite well | 07:05 |
| Sage | yes, just tried to find the wiki page | 07:05 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I guess we should get rid of all Requires(post): shadow-utils type of things and replace with Requires(post): %{_sbindir}/groupadd for example? | 07:08 |
| Sage | just thinking about your busybox thing | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, not disagreeing | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | just be careful, obs doesn't grok file deps well | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | so we need to add them in prjconf | 07:12 |
| Sage | ? | 07:12 |
| Sage | Well in Nemo packages those have been working fine. | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | maybe they fixed it with libsolv | 07:13 |
| Sage | [ 4.708039] hci_cmd_timer: hci0 command tx timeout | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | n900\ | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 07:14 |
| Sage | exopc | 07:14 |
| Sage | and not sure what caused it | 07:14 |
| Sage | I'm guessing udev update but not sure | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | wasn't there something in release notes about bt being flakey? | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | of the exo | 07:15 |
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| Sage | maybe, can't recall. | 07:19 |
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| Stskeeps | you saw the info about belgium general strike right? | 07:21 |
| Bostik | interesting thread on lkml regarding poor SSD performance with all kernels since 2.6.39 | 07:22 |
| Bostik | it effectively ends in this: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=132799198404485&w=2 | 07:23 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: yes | 07:28 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: but it is only this day right? | 07:28 |
| * Sage hopes for the best | 07:28 | |
| Stskeeps | may have been i guess | 07:29 |
| Sage | also the company that I'm flying to brussels had computer failure or something some time ago and announced today that their flighs should be back to normal again ;) | 07:30 |
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| Sage | And weather seems a bit chilly as well this year it seems. Anything else? :) | 07:31 |
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| Stskeeps | well, by current standards it's warm | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | when i was there, 0 C in warsaw, 10 in brussels | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | now it's -10 C in warsaw and 0 in brussels :P | 07:32 |
| Sage | hehe :) | 07:32 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, it's about 10C here in Mountain View. The Googlers have probably had to fire up extra servers to keep warm. | 08:19 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Bostik, I just did a new install on an SSD. Oh well. | 08:20 |
| Bostik | Alison_Chaiken: well, you only need to upgrade the kernel :) | 08:21 |
| Bostik | I wouldn't be surprised if that patch ended up on next cycle of maintenance releases | 08:22 |
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| Bostik | ..or some variant of it in any case | 08:22 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Bostik, right after the Intel acpi patches. | 08:30 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I've had problems with ExoPC stalling during boot when it initializes SSD. | 08:30 |
| Bostik | ew | 08:30 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Is that, Sage, what you refer to? | 08:30 |
| Alison_Chaiken | And android-x86 doesn't find its filesystem at all when booting from SSD, which is odd because it boots fine from LiveUSB. | 08:31 |
| Alison_Chaiken | With ExoPC I mean. | 08:31 |
| Sage | Alison_Chaiken: ? | 08:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Could be there's something funny about my MBR though, I guess. | 08:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Sage, were you referring to SSD problems with ExoPC when I decided to check IRC before going to bed? | 08:32 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Peter Mui of ICS has had similar problems as me with ExoPC SSD boot delays. | 08:33 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I have an older ExoPC and a Vibe. Problem is worse on the Vibe with the same ISO installed image. | 08:33 |
| Sage | Alison_Chaiken: no, bluetooth problems | 08:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Bluetooth! That's for folks whose systems boot reliably! | 08:34 |
| Sage | :) | 08:35 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:58 |
| Sage | morning lbt | 08:59 |
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| RaYmAn | vgradetab: looks like the oldertegra2 devices are finally getting working deep sleep lp0 :) | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: i'm gone today, but use http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120209.0.0.2/ , it's lower footprint for sure | 10:14 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Thank you! Not the "releases/latest"? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | no, this is a prerelease | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | next release is 9th of february, if we're lucky | 10:15 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, I see. Yes, you will be lucky definitely:) | 10:15 |
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| Sage | noted that we have OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP_GNOME set in Mer in default env. We might want to remove that | 10:37 |
| Sage | OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome that is | 10:37 |
| Sage | no idea where that comes from | 10:38 |
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| lbt | phost5 crashed again doing an rsync | 10:47 |
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| Sage | ANNOUNCEMENT: Nemo Mobile Steering Group Meeting starts in 5min. | 10:55 |
| Sage | in #mer-meeting | 10:55 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: around for RE meeting? | 12:01 |
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| phaeron | lbt: I think we should postpone it a bit | 12:06 |
| lbt | sure | 12:06 |
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| zester_ | Good morning anyone that's awake ;) | 14:31 |
| Lantizia | Mer... this is now "new Mer" I take it... i.e. MeeGo Mer not old kinda Maemo 4 tweaked Mer | 14:31 |
| lbt | correct Lantizia | 14:32 |
| lbt | hi zester_ | 14:32 |
| Lantizia | so is "new Mer" based on Debian still? | 14:32 |
| zester_ | Hello | 14:32 |
| lbt | no | 14:32 |
| Lantizia | how crap | 14:32 |
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| zester_ | I guess Lantizia really like's debian. | 14:33 |
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| lbt | I feel sorry for debian | 14:33 |
| lbt | shame, since I run Debian on the Mer infra (and Meego infra come to that) | 14:34 |
| zester_ | My only concern is what api I will have to use for package mangment. | 14:34 |
| lbt | I think we use packagekit | 14:35 |
| lbt | mmm ... maybe not | 14:35 |
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| zester_ | Hmmm I hope it's not gobject based | 14:37 |
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| lbt | it's not | 14:39 |
| lbt | we have no gtk in Mer | 14:39 |
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| zester_ | GStreamer is gobject based, but Qt didn't really have two much of a choice on that. | 14:41 |
| lbt | you see why I make no claims towards the Mer platform architecture :D | 14:41 |
| zester_ | They eather had to write a new decoder or use vlc. Vlc has no easy way to render to an offscreen buffer | 14:42 |
| zester_ | :) | 14:42 |
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| zester_ | I am re-engineering Mer just incase there like ugghhhh this isn't working out. | 14:44 |
| lbt | sure, it's opensource | 14:44 |
| zester_ | lbt are you a Mer dev or just hanging out? | 14:45 |
| lbt | co-founder | 14:45 |
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| lbt | some history : http://www.merproject.org/ | 14:45 |
| zester_ | Sounds like you weren't infavor of rpm? | 14:46 |
| zester_ | Carsten Munk i take it? | 14:46 |
| lbt | I have a lot of respect for the extensive debian policy documentation | 14:46 |
| * lbt is David | 14:46 | |
| lbt | the rpm docs suck | 14:47 |
| lbt | MeeGo packaging policy sucked | 14:47 |
| lbt | the fact that .spec files use %XX as section headings and macro definitions tells me a lot too | 14:48 |
| zester_ | I am a diy type. I like to start from scratch. | 14:48 |
| lbt | however, rpm works fine | 14:48 |
| lbt | and the economics mean that switching to deb is silly | 14:48 |
| lbt | yeah ... I'm more an opensource kinda person than a DIYer | 14:49 |
| lbt | for me it's about encouraging collaboration ... and sometimes that means compromise | 14:49 |
| lbt | but together the result is better | 14:49 |
| lbt | a lot of people start with diy because frankly it's easier | 14:50 |
| zester_ | Well for me it's easyer to build a package manager lib and use that than to try and figure out someone elses. | 14:51 |
| lbt | yeah, exactly ... | 14:51 |
| lbt | I prefer to figure it out, contribute back to maybe the docs or code and then improve the overall OSS space | 14:51 |
| lbt | but each to their own approach ... I have no problem with that | 14:52 |
| zester_ | I like to put my idea's down and be like here take what you need & like. Disgard what you don't. | 14:53 |
| lbt | For Mer, our biggest challenges are not in the code... they are in co-operative working | 14:53 |
| lbt | *nod* I can respect that.... the ideas and code creation is what motivates you | 14:53 |
| lbt | so our ideal would be to find things around Mer that need that kind of thing and hope you find it challenging | 14:54 |
| zester_ | Well that and you never know what is and isn't going to work, so it's better to have a few options on the table. | 14:54 |
| lbt | the Citrus thing is ideal | 14:54 |
| zester_ | Citrus can go from Mobile, Tablet, Netbook to Desktop | 14:55 |
| lbt | yup | 14:55 |
| zester_ | Depends on what mode its in will set the layout. | 14:56 |
| zester_ | I have all Google's, Amazon's serves's ready to be programed in | 14:57 |
| zester_ | For instance you can setup a website on the cloud monitor and manage it reboot the server from your phone. This is an enterprise feature thou. | 14:58 |
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| zester_ | Intel & Nokia were dumb for dropping Qt/Meego | 15:01 |
| zester_ | There going to be sorry | 15:01 |
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| zester_ | http://i40.tinypic.com/e9gig1.png Citrus using WebOS Library Enyojs | 15:20 |
| zester_ | Need to figure out why it's displaying a scrollbar | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, work day over | 15:31 |
| lbt | wb | 15:31 |
| lbt | phost5 died again ... every time I rsync to it it freezes hard :( | 15:32 |
| lbt | admin is looking at it but no clues in logs | 15:32 |
| lbt | FYI | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:33 |
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| zester_ | <Stskeeps> ah, work day over <--- Mine just started | 15:45 |
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| zester_ | http://i43.tinypic.com/6p27h3.png HTML5 Game in Citrus | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | how's that embedded? | 15:54 |
| beford | that's enyojs canvas game | 15:56 |
| zester_ | It's using QML Webview | 15:56 |
| beford | I guess the whole thing is a webkit | 15:56 |
| zester_ | No only part is | 15:56 |
| zester_ | Just the game | 15:56 |
| zester_ | Once that native qt backend is farther along ill be able to interact with client side js easyer. | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | zester_: btw, re "easier to build a package manager lib", keep in mind that effectively you'll run out of own developer time at some point, with too many projects to maintain, and that's when you start to share efforts with others and other use people's efforts | 16:06 |
| zester_ | Im not questioning anything :) I realize that. It was just an observation lol | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:07 |
| zester_ | Shop talk | 16:07 |
| zester_ | I dont care what Mer is based on. Thats YOUR job lol ;) | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:10 |
| zester_ | <Stskeeps> Are we using Packagekit for package mangment? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes it is | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | rpm, zypper at least | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | packagekit is an abstraction on top of that | 16:11 |
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| zester_ | Well i meant should i be looking at the qt-package kit api for when installing apps | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | i guess that'd be a good direction, yeah | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | we don't provide packagekit out of the box so | 16:13 |
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| zester_ | Hmmmm like what should i do about a gui for installing apps? | 16:14 |
| zester_ | I can write it just need to know what api to use | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | there's various ways really - some people take app store approach | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://apps.formeego.org/applications/ | 16:15 |
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| zester_ | Ill just use packagekit-qt2 because it support's just about every distros package manager | 16:47 |
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| zester | Does Mer have an SDK yet? | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | zester: we're brewing on a platform sdk centered about scratchbox2, app sdk would be qt creator integration | 17:34 |
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| zester | I mean is there an iso image or anything Mer specific | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | <- carsten, btw | 17:35 |
| zester | Like right now i can build apps for all platforms but, I can do anything meego specific "com.nokia.meego 1.0" | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:37 |
| zester | Lol :) I cant use any meego specific apis | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so you'd be interested in something bootable for an iso or something like that, like emulator? | 17:38 |
| zester | So before meego used it's own qt apis like MApplication, ... do we not have those anymore | 17:38 |
| zester | Yes | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | we don't and you shouldn't use those :P | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | that's MTF | 17:38 |
| zester | K thats good | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | you can use that llvmpipe demo thing i showed you i guess | 17:39 |
| zester | Are there plans to supply a core system iso at some point | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | something along those lines yes | 17:42 |
| zester | Like everything qt, qtmobility, .... all on a bootable iso? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | platform sdk is supposed to help that | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | we will start out with reference tarballs probably | 17:42 |
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| nsuffys | hello :) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | lo nsuffys | 17:46 |
| nsuffys | how are you ? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | tired | 17:46 |
| nsuffys | me too, lot of work... | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | were you coming to fosdem, btw? | 17:48 |
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| nsuffys | I can't, working 6 days / 7 :/ | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:49 |
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| nsuffys | just a little question, i'm playing with plasma active on my wetab with the MeeGo image, Mer image is available, but only for arm chipset... No idea if x86 image is planned ? (excuse me for my english.) | 17:53 |
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| beford | there is an x86 image nsuffys | 17:53 |
| beford | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120120.1.NEMO.2012-01-26.1/images/nemo-handset-i586/ | 17:54 |
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| nsuffys | beford: yes, works fine, but i want with Plasma active desktop ^^ | 17:55 |
| beford | ohh sorry | 17:56 |
| beford | vgrade is the plasma active guy I believe :D | 17:56 |
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| nsuffys | hey ok , thank you ;) | 17:59 |
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| vgrade | nsuffys, there is a Mer x86 image, in fact there are two, one the devel image, the other the testing image, http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_x86_usb_live_and_install_archive/?C=M;O=D | 18:00 |
| nsuffys | vgrade: Thank you very much ! :D | 18:01 |
| vgrade | nsuffys, not tried the images for a while but reports from plasma guys are good | 18:02 |
| nsuffys | vgrade: it doesn't scare me ;) | 18:03 |
| vgrade | nsuffys, I noticed that there was no gui for wifi settings on the last image I tried so you will need connman-test package so so you can use a connman script to bringup wifi | 18:03 |
| vgrade | nsuffys, the meego image still depends on meego-settings for this functionality | 18:04 |
| nsuffys | vgrade: thank you for the information. I'll try as soon as possible.. when i've time | 18:05 |
| phaeron | vgrade: I tried the latest stuff on mer again. I am having some issues with i965 driver | 18:06 |
| phaeron | vgrade: kwin keeps crashing | 18:06 |
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| nsuffys | I will try tonight, I'd probably make a video after | 18:08 |
| vgrade | phaeron, have you reported in #active | 18:11 |
| * timoph doesn't know what to do next with the platform sdk | 18:12 | |
| timoph | actually I do but lacking knowledge | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: where are you at now? | 18:12 |
| timoph | I got the rootfs mounting pretty. zypper, etc. works and I can compile stuff with gcc in it | 18:13 |
| timoph | so not moved that much in the last few days. been a bit busy | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | okay, can you try something like mic too? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | and spectacle | 18:13 |
| timoph | I'll install those | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | and try to maybe build an x86 and a arm .ks | 18:14 |
| vgrade | phaeron, there have been a number of crashes fixed in the last couple of days | 18:14 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: yeah. actually haven't even tried to build the images myself yet | 18:15 |
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| phaeron | vgrade: yes but no one answered :( | 18:16 |
| phaeron | vgrade: just installed today from :Testing | 18:16 |
| phaeron | timoph: I had an idea besides having a --no-clean option for osc / build | 18:19 |
| phaeron | timoph: how about an expose command that gives access to the code being compiled _from_ inside the chroot _to_ the outside | 18:20 |
| phaeron | (this is in continuation of the skd meeting discussion) | 18:21 |
| timoph | hmmh | 18:21 |
| * timoph trying to picture how that would work | 18:21 | |
| beford | hey Stskeeps, do the arm repos include rpmbuild? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:22 |
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| beford | uhm I was unable to install it, is it on the mer core repo? or somehwere else | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | mer core is self-hosting (currently) | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | rpm-build | 18:24 |
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| phaeron | vgrade: should I get stuff from devel repos somewhere ? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: do you have wazd's old mer presentation templates anywhere? | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | meeh | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | lists maemo.org and old wiki.. | 18:26 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes | 18:27 |
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| lbt | I made this one too http://imagebin.org/196574 | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | that's better, yeah | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | mind if i grab? | 18:30 |
| lbt | of course not :) | 18:31 |
| lbt | http://imagebin.org/196575 maemo branded | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: i like this one | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | white fonts go well on it | 18:32 |
| lbt | indeed :) | 18:32 |
| lbt | food ... bbiab | 18:33 |
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| nsuffys | Wow ! vgrade Plasma active Mer ! Amazing ! run better than meego based ! | 19:02 |
| nsuffys | what is the SU pwd plz ? | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/open-beyond-licensing.html | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | much better coverage :) | 19:09 |
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| vgrade | phaeron, http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_x86_usb_live_and_install_archive/?C=M;O=D has both devel amd testing ks files which you can use to get the devel repos | 19:15 |
| vgrade | nsuffys, what hardware are you on and did you take devel or testing iso? | 19:15 |
| phaeron | vgrade: yeah that's where I grabbed the repos | 19:16 |
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| phaeron | I'll chew on it for a while and see if I can come up with some proper bugreports | 19:17 |
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| beford | nsuffys, its probably meego or mer | 19:21 |
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| vgrade | phaeron, ok, might be usefull, if nsuffys can see if he gets the same issues, I think he's on exopc | 19:21 |
| beford | nsuffys is on wetab | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | same stuff :P | 19:21 |
| beford | :p | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | evening sledges | 19:23 |
| vgrade | phaeron, which repos are you using devel or testing? | 19:23 |
| phaeron | testing | 19:23 |
| vgrade | phaeron, ok | 19:24 |
| phaeron | will zypper dup and see if I can pastie some error | 19:24 |
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| sledges | hallo Stskeeps | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: how's things? | 19:27 |
| phaeron | woah big update | 19:29 |
| sledges | will try to figure out how to boot linux kernel off from fastboot (following Mer on Dragonboard ambition) | 19:29 |
| sledges | and ensure that I can boot back into fastboot from within linux (just like you can do this with adb) | 19:29 |
| sledges | as no other bootloaders seem to be feasible on Dragonboard at the moment | 19:29 |
| nsuffys | vgrade: excuse me, yes, I'm on WeTab ;) | 19:30 |
| nsuffys | and using devel iso | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: fastboot's fine for mer, usually | 19:30 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, that's great news. now how do you reboot into fastboot from Mer? | 19:31 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: for QA we could provide pxe and initrd that can get rootfs from remotely | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: :nod: | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: well, i assume fastboot is the bootloader..? | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 19:32 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I did pxe yesterday and got to the rootfs point | 19:32 |
| sledges | yes, but to 'break' into it (to flash etc) you need a special reboot flag | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | fun, well, flash a kernel permanently maybe | 19:32 |
| frals | feeling like a total failure over here, but which repo is "contextkit-maemo-mce" suppose to come from? | 19:33 |
| sledges | current Dragonboard config is very android-centric... :( hence braking into fastboot requires executing adb reboot fastboot and then hold the defined key down while poering on | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | frals: Nemo's CE:UX:MTF | 19:33 |
| sledges | how many more acronyms? what's MTF :) | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | evil(TM) | 19:34 |
| frals | Stskeeps: thanks! chopped that one out assuming it was only meegotouchcrap in it, but obviously i was wrong :P | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | frals: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 19:35 |
| frals | Stskeeps: thanks, somehow missed that | 19:36 |
| vgrade | nsuffys, phaeron was having kwin crash issues so I was wondering if you were having the same? He's on the testing repos | 19:36 |
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| Stskeeps | think i'll get beaten up for stating that if you were to imagine how the real world looks like, just by looking at popular linux distributions and attitudes, it'd be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pdp7-oslo-2005.jpeg ? | 19:37 |
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| * phaeron clutches debian logo protectively :D | 19:39 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm intentionally showing a pdp and not naming names | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | if anyone feels hurt, maybe i'm right ;) | 19:40 |
| slow | nice wallpaper | 19:40 |
| nsuffys | vgrade: I would try another day with testing repos. No problem with devel. I'll start test / use it now. It's very interesting UI ! it makes me want to buy the spark ^^ | 19:43 |
| vgrade | ok, it should be the other way around for devel and testing ie devel is cutting edge while testing is stable but I know there have been some regressions on testing recently. | 19:45 |
| phaeron | vgrade: why is it using meego handset desktop file for session | 19:47 |
| timoph | hmmh. a mer wallpaper.. I'd use it :) | 19:47 |
| nsuffys | I would do my best to share my experiences with plasma active and another mer project. Anyway, great job! | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer_Wazd_Wallpaper_Nokian_Ship.jpg was an interesting prediction.. | 19:48 |
| vgrade | phaeron, I guess the guys just replaced mcompositor with startactive | 19:48 |
| phaeron | vgrade: yeah that part is a bit weird , both using the old session= key in uxlaunch config in addition to having the desktop file | 19:49 |
| vgrade | phaeron, I was waiting for the new kickstarter stuff to come online and make some new kickstarts for plasma | 19:50 |
| * timoph now has a Mer wallpaper :) | 19:51 | |
| timoph | Stskeeps: yeah :) | 19:51 |
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| phaeron | rebooting now to see if things changed | 19:52 |
| phaeron | vgrade: much better already ! | 19:53 |
| phaeron | no kwin crash at least | 19:53 |
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| phaeron | wow *hat off* really big improvement | 19:55 |
| vgrade | phaeron, what RAM use are you seeing? | 19:58 |
| phaeron | around 466mb without caches | 19:59 |
| phaeron | I already started some apps | 19:59 |
| phaeron | active browser is black though | 19:59 |
| vgrade | thanks | 19:59 |
| vgrade | I saw browser fix yesterday I think, probably only in devel | 20:00 |
| vgrade | install nemo browser | 20:00 |
| phaeron | yeah I already have it installed , just can't find it in the two screenfuls of apps | 20:01 |
| vgrade | as I remember it does not get an icon | 20:01 |
| phaeron | kterminal --> helium | 20:01 |
| phaeron | works perfectly :) | 20:01 |
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| vgrade | phaeron, still work to go on RAM usage I think I we are to live within a 512MB device | 20:03 |
| vgrade | i/if | 20:03 |
| phaeron | I have some mtf prestart stuff lying around | 20:04 |
| phaeron | will disable them and check again | 20:04 |
| vgrade | thanks | 20:04 |
| phaeron | although they all have startonlyin meego handset and I didn't name the plasma session that | 20:04 |
| phaeron | it was funny yesterday to catch kdeinit --suicide in top | 20:05 |
| phaeron | ok clean boot 394mb without caches | 20:06 |
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| phaeron | before starting apps | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: BTW, if you're talking to a zenithink person.. enquire on ability to get libmali built for x11 backend | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, or amlogic for that matter | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3291077 <- 20120209 changelog so far | 20:30 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, don't think the zenithink guys have access to that | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, amlogic prolly does | 20:38 |
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| vgrade | ok | 20:40 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: nice. I would need core-next cobs update and latest-prerelease link to test everything :/ | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'll see if i can get it done tomorrow | 21:27 |
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| Sage | hmmp... need to send temporary patch for udev so I can get usbutils patch in. I'll try to see that tomorrow | 21:31 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: could you kick connman in review? | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | already passed once, i'll review it and accept it | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | but will first go into next pickup | 21:31 |
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| Sage | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 <- isn't this already fixed? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | you're right | 21:35 |
| Sage | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121 <- and this | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, fixed | 21:36 |
| w00t | huh, forgot to mark fixed | 21:38 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: Sage have you ever faced an issues where an xterm would be ok as an X session but a bash script doing a simple read doesn't | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: yes, there's no stdin? | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:41 |
| phaeron | ok wrong test case | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | or at least it only contains EOF | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | try sleep 86400 ;) | 21:41 |
| phaeron | sleep works | 21:41 |
| phaeron | but there's an app that seems to have the same issue | 21:42 |
| phaeron | I guess I need to dig through its code | 21:42 |
| ALoGeNo | hey Stskeeps i see that mer still alive :) | 21:46 |
| ALoGeNo | hello every one | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | ALoGeNo: very, too | 21:51 |
| lbt | ok, img, cfe and cbe 'up' | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, how's cfe/cbe distributed? | 21:54 |
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| lbt | all on phost4 | 22:07 |
| lbt | all on phost5 I mean | 22:07 |
| lbt | also | 22:07 |
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| lbt | I suggest eating less or buying a springier matress | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html was the final version, BTW | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: remember https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16 for the whiteboard | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | before fosdem | 22:12 |
| lbt | part of the motivation for getting phaeron onto ldap :) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 22:13 |
| lbt | I checked MX -> monster | 22:13 |
| lbt | we really need to take DNS to the infra too | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | shadow ns, yes | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | but now slep | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | ep | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | in other news, Mer governance is now in effect - http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance | 22:49 |
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| smoku | Would anyone "check" Fedora_16 here http://repo.pub.meego.com/Mer%3a/Tools%3a/Testing/ ? | 23:06 |
| phaeron | hello smoku :) | 23:09 |
| smoku | hi phaeron | 23:10 |
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| phaeron | what do you mean check. there is no fedora repo there | 23:13 |
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| smoku | phaeron: and it is one checkbox away, isn't it? ;-) | 23:15 |
| phaeron | I am not sure it will all build , look at the state of the opensuse repo. | 23:15 |
| phaeron | the idea of these tools is too feed the SDK which is distro agnostic | 23:15 |
| phaeron | so you can use the sdk on any distro | 23:15 |
| phaeron | lbt: right ? | 23:16 |
| lbt | yes | 23:16 |
| lbt | at this point we're not packaging (and testing) the tools on multiple distros | 23:17 |
| phaeron | is there an sdk somewhere to use ? | 23:17 |
| phaeron | yet | 23:18 |
| lbt | no | 23:18 |
| lbt | Carsten had a rootfs you could download | 23:18 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 23:18 |
| lbt | but very much alpha/WIP | 23:18 |
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