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| binhtran87 | hello | 04:49 |
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| binhtran87 | i have installed ti-dsp on N950 follow this site: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Ideas/DSP#Steps_to_utilize_DSP_codecs_with_included_videoplayer.28s.29_in_N900CE But it appeared errors: ======== error: create_node: dsp node allocate failed error: main: dsp node creation failed ======== | 04:49 |
| binhtran87 | Please help me | 04:50 |
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| _av500_ | somebody wake felipec | 06:21 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: is the .0.0.2 exported in COBS? | 06:41 |
| Sage | lbt: for future reference I have home:sage:xbmc there atm. where the content of CE:UX:XBMC is atm. I haven't pushed those forward as I haven't had time to do the proper cleanup for those packages yet | 06:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: no | 07:05 |
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| * Sage checks udev and systemd update next | 07:13 | |
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| zester | <Stskeeps> You around? | 07:29 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I wonder if we should do this as well https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove | 07:32 |
| zester | Sage see http://code.google.com/p/zester/wiki/CFHS_Technical_Specification | 07:33 |
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| zester | Old project but still working on some of that stuff | 07:33 |
| zester | I am looking at Mer's tree there is a lot of stuff in here no commercial project can or will ever touch. | 07:35 |
| zester | Example: gnupg2 | 07:35 |
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| zester | Companys like Sanyo, Samsung, Motorola, Nokia, ... the will never use gnupg2 | 07:36 |
| zester | They cant. | 07:36 |
| zester | That should be replaced with Qt Cryptographic Architecture (QCA) | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | RPM uses gnupg.. | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | and rpm can't dep on qt | 07:38 |
| * Stskeeps is doing something else today, so will not be on irc | 07:39 | |
| zester | giflib should be tossed also | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | that i can somewhat agree with | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | just remember to see the whole picture of dependencies | 07:40 |
| zester | gnutls is another one | 07:40 |
| zester | You mean where other librarys depend on things like gnutls? | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:41 |
| zester | You should add WebM and WebP | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | potential patent issues | 07:41 |
| zester | WebP is alot better than jpeg | 07:41 |
| zester | How so? | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 07:42 |
| zester | WebM maybe | 07:42 |
| zester | gst-plugins-bad-free theres your patent issues | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | zester: let's take this discussion sometime later, i have some meetings to attend to, so :) but yes, any recommendations on removing crap is good | 07:46 |
| zester | :) | 07:47 |
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| * Sage is seeing boot speed regression with newer systemd+udev mix :/ | 08:19 | |
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| dm8tbr | Sage: https://gitorious.org/lima :) | 08:20 |
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| dm8tbr | I guess that's the thing announced for fosdem | 08:20 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: nice, now I just would hope that I would have newer snowball at hand :) | 08:22 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: the current on isn't supported by igloo community upstream anymore :/ | 08:23 |
| slaine | ka-lima, KA-LIMA | 08:23 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: yeah, I know :/ | 08:23 |
| Sage | my board v4 and last supported is v5 :P | 08:23 |
| * dm8tbr had that discussion too on their IRC channel | 08:23 | |
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| Sage | I get it to boot but for some reason I get IO errors and device halts :/ | 08:24 |
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| dm8tbr | :/ | 08:26 |
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| lbt | Sage: OK - re XBMC, good to know. I think it may be worth having an ITP or similar for some key SW around Mer. Just so people can say they are interested or have started to work on it | 09:03 |
| lbt | binhtran87: I see you've found this channel - are you using Nemo? If so you may want to chat on #nemomobile | 09:05 |
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| binhtran87 | thanks <lbt> | 09:13 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: sent udev,systemd etc to review. Wouldn't accept those as such though mainly because for example on exopc the boot speed goes from ~14s to ~34s :( | 09:26 |
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| Sage | http://pastie.org/3281194 ok so probably udev settle goes bad | 09:33 |
| Sage | err... udev trigger | 09:33 |
| Sage | on my f15 udev-trigger is under 100ms | 09:34 |
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| lbt | alterego: ping ... can you permit 3 letter search terms on the wiki please | 09:49 |
| alterego | I've got a few things I need to do to the wiki, I'll get on it this afternoon :) | 09:51 |
| lbt | ok - and we need to sort out moving it to the infra | 09:51 |
| alterego | Checked out that IP camera you were talking about. Looks like it's a winner :) | 09:52 |
| w00t | The Infra sounds like it should be capitalised | 09:52 |
| w00t | :-p | 09:52 |
| lbt | :) | 09:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 09:52 |
| lbt | alterego: it is good - has some niggles | 09:52 |
| Sage | IP camera? | 09:52 |
| lbt | trees appear grey due to IR issues | 09:52 |
| alterego | lbt: how about I sort these configuration issues today, and we look at moving it Wednesday afternoon? | 09:52 |
| lbt | sure | 09:53 |
| alterego | Cool | 09:53 |
| * Sage has Foscam FI8918W not very good quality but considering the price quite nice. | 09:53 | |
| alterego | I found a cool site documenting some of the HTTP API, would be easy to make a mobile client :) | 09:54 |
| alterego | Sage: exactly the model we're talking about ;) | 09:54 |
| Sage | alterego: ah :) | 09:54 |
| lbt | alterego: link? | 09:54 |
| Sage | it is quite nice camera with that price | 09:54 |
| lbt | also alterego I used silicon sealant to block up the holes in the case and installed it outside under the eaves - seems OK | 09:55 |
| alterego | lbt: I've got a very secluded porch I was planning on using, I may do the same. Thanks for the pointer. | 09:56 |
| alterego | lbt: http://ben.akrin.com/?p=782 | 09:56 |
| alterego | At the bottom he talks about the various HTTP server requests to do things like PTZ and get the live video stream, as well as stills. | 09:56 |
| alterego | Think I could make a pretty nice QML UI around it :) | 09:56 |
| lbt | :) | 09:59 |
| lbt | OK - he's not sorted the "IE only" bits either ... ah well | 09:59 |
| alterego | What IE only bits? | 10:00 |
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| alterego | You mean the ActiveX recording stuff? | 10:00 |
| alterego | And multiple camera UI? | 10:00 |
| lbt | yes - no idea what it is... don't have IE :) | 10:00 |
| alterego | Ah, my new to be hacked QML interface will handle multiple cameras and live video ;) | 10:00 |
| lbt | I just know there's 'stuff' that isn't in the other UI ... may not be interesting | 10:00 |
| lbt | you seen MrHouse? | 10:01 |
| alterego | Nope | 10:01 |
| lbt | http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/ | 10:01 |
| alterego | Heh, neat | 10:02 |
| lbt | very mature, from a Mer PoV not so much a codebase as a source of features | 10:03 |
| lbt | give tk/perl is probably not our primary UI target ... | 10:03 |
| lbt | although perl/QML.... hmm :) | 10:03 |
| * alterego shudders | 10:04 | |
| alterego | How about Ruby & QML :P | 10:04 |
| lbt | ah, there you go! | 10:04 |
| alterego | I found there are ruby bindings for Qt Declarative the other day :D | 10:04 |
| alterego | tbf, could probably just do it in pure QML, which is what I'd likely do. | 10:05 |
| * alterego tries to imagine a declarative home automation language. | 10:05 | |
| lbt | yeah - it's the external interactions where I'd like perl/ruby | 10:05 |
| lbt | but anyhow..... | 10:05 |
| alterego | Light { states: {name:'on';when:environment.dark} } | 10:06 |
| alterego | :) | 10:06 |
| alterego | Actually: Light {status: {when:environment.dark; PropertyChanges {target:light;powered:true}}} | 10:07 |
| lbt | yes, declaritive is really good for much of this stuff | 10:07 |
| alterego | Or something .. | 10:07 |
| alterego | I think declarative would be an excellent way of doing that stuff :) | 10:08 |
| lbt | I'd like to see a UI for building declaritive rules from user exposed controls and sensors | 10:08 |
| lbt | a long time ago I looked at something like that for Fremantle | 10:09 |
| lbt | essentially a way to tell a device how to behave under certain conditions | 10:09 |
| alterego | I arranged for a redelivery for friday, and it's only just been put back in the van this morning. | 10:10 |
| alterego | Stupid DHL | 10:11 |
| lbt | I know what you mean ... anyhow... taking Denise -> rail station ... bbiab | 10:12 |
| alterego | Bye | 10:13 |
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| nsuffys | Morning ! | 10:34 |
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| slaine | morning nsuffys | 10:36 |
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| lbt | Mer bug triage in 40mins | 11:20 |
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| damnshock | pitty I haven't got it installed :S | 11:22 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I think the systemd update is safe as it doesn't cause any regressions in speed. the udev is another ting | 11:50 |
| Sage | or hmmp | 11:50 |
| Sage | after installation the rpm says it isn't installed :) | 11:52 |
| Sage | ok, now when it really is installed I can see that the regression is in systemd partly at least | 11:54 |
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| lbt | OK ... bug triage | 12:02 |
| lbt | Sage: you coming? | 12:04 |
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| Sage | yes :) | 12:07 |
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| lbt | aha ... | 12:29 |
| phaeron | lbt: hello | 12:33 |
| lbt | hey | 12:34 |
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| javier | hi | 12:47 |
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| javier | is there any problem with the meego obs? | 13:50 |
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| javier | kdepim-runtime has been building for such a long time (Project:KDE:Devel) | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | does it use cmake? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | and on arm? | 13:52 |
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| javier | yes | 13:54 |
| javier | on i586 | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | probably a fluke then | 13:54 |
| javier | I have manually triggered a rebuild to no avail | 13:54 |
| lbt | link to buildlog? | 13:55 |
| javier | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=kdepim-runtime&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&repository=MeeGo_1.2_OSS | 13:55 |
| lbt | :( | 13:56 |
| javier | it's not very interesting, is it? ;) | 13:57 |
| lbt | not really | 13:57 |
| lbt | OK I'll need to look at it post-food | 13:58 |
| javier | ok | 14:00 |
| Sage | mdfe_: you should probably drop the meego 1.1 repos from the KDE:Devel project as those are broken | 14:03 |
| javier | bon appétit btw | 14:03 |
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| javier | ah, 1.1 core | 14:04 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: hi | 14:05 |
| slaine | Sage, Stskeeps are there plans to adopt the everything under /usr approach for mer ? | 14:06 |
| slaine | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge | 14:06 |
| slaine | seeing as we're going systemd | 14:06 |
| mdfe_ | Sade: http://pastebin.com/jE5BjrKZ | 14:06 |
| Sage | slaine: noted that couple of hours ago | 14:06 |
| mdfe_ | vgrade1: ping | 14:07 |
| Sage | lbt could fix those with his all mighty power ;) | 14:07 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 14:07 |
| mdfe_ | this would be nice | 14:07 |
| slaine | Sage, I think I spotted it related to the upcoming Fedora17 release deciding to adopt it too | 14:07 |
| * lbt rolls a 20 and the projects die with no saving throw | 14:09 | |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: could you remove 'Trunk', 'Trunk_Testing' and 'MeeGo_1.1_Core' repositories from Project:KDE:Devel project? | 14:29 |
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| lbt | mdfe_: sure (I just removed the blockers, not the KDE ones) | 14:30 |
| lbt | done | 14:31 |
| mdfe_ | greate thanks :) | 14:31 |
| mdfe_ | great | 14:31 |
| lbt | kdepim still not building | 14:31 |
| mdfe_ | kdepim-runtime? | 14:32 |
| lbt | yes | 14:32 |
| lbt | lazy typing | 14:32 |
| mdfe_ | I disabled and enabled it again | 14:33 |
| lbt | "400 remote error: umount tmpfs failed after 5 attempts" | 14:34 |
| mdfe_ | now it is building again | 14:34 |
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| lbt | good | 14:37 |
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| lbt | hmm worker08 looks sick | 14:38 |
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| * lbt goes to find bolt-gun... | 14:38 | |
| mdfe_ | hehe | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: make sense | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | s | 14:40 |
| javier | lbt: it's finished building. thanks! | 14:40 |
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| zester | Just found this I am going to have to jump on the python bandwagon now :) http://lynxline.com/superhybrids-part-2-now-qt-pyside/ | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind someone packaging up pyside for qt4.8.0 | 15:33 |
| zester | I am playing with pyside with http://code.google.com/p/boto/ | 15:34 |
| zester | For AWS | 15:34 |
| zester | Mer Dropbox | 15:35 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:35 |
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| zester | Could do a music store services like ubuntu | 15:37 |
| zester | Using 7digital and aws | 15:38 |
| zester | http://developer.7digital.net/ and https://github.com/7digital/python-7digital-api | 15:39 |
| zester | http://us.7digital.com/ | 15:39 |
| phaeron | http://vagrantup.com/ | 15:40 |
| lbt | slight glitch in mer infra ... hope no-one noticed | 15:42 |
| lbt | Stskeeps phost2 vlan went away for a bit as I started ntp on some phosts | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | vgradetab: btw, some sources claim spark has same touchscreen as nook tablet | 16:42 |
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| lbt | well, phost5 still down ... no IMG tonight :( | 16:44 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: can you help me explain the Mer build targets | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | not tonight? | 16:49 |
| lbt | ok | 16:49 |
| * Stskeeps points to giant mindmap in progress | 16:49 | |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_Delivery_System when you have time | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:49 |
| lbt | oh yes :) | 16:50 |
| lbt | ping when ready | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'm intentionally shedding tasks until this week is done and over with | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:50 |
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| zester | I have Qt & C++, PySide & Python & HTML5/CSS3/Javascript all talking to each other in one app ;) | 17:33 |
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| zester | With an embeded python based web server. Talk about a potental security nightmare. | 17:34 |
| zester | Running the app as root. You could delete your root directory from a web page :) | 17:36 |
| zester | Didn't WebOS use Node.js as a local server for there apps on there tablets? | 17:39 |
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| zester | Yup they sure did hmmmmm I wonder how close my psychotic little demo is from webos's basic design | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | something for the toolbox (thanks to auke): http://elinux.org/Initcall_Debug | 18:16 |
| arc_mat | ah yes | 18:26 |
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| arc_mat | that has proven valuable a number of times already | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | my best thing was to learn CONFIG_EARLYPRINTK | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | did you know there's -13- states a package build can be in? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:49 |
| w00t | how many of those mean "broken"? | 18:51 |
| w00t | :P | 18:51 |
| * Stskeeps counts | 18:52 | |
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| Stskeeps | 3, with one of them being "possibly" | 18:52 |
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| arc_mat | Stskeeps: printascii | 19:03 |
| arc_mat | sometimes, even more useful ;) | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:03 |
| arc_mat | in absence of a lauterbach | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | evening zumbi | 19:08 |
| zumbi | hi Stskeeps :) | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going? | 19:11 |
| zumbi | not bad.. | 19:11 |
| zumbi | but have not been doing much lately related to this project | 19:12 |
| zumbi | but I really need to play obs, setup native and emulated build environments, etc.. | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: we've also had some platform sdk meetings | 19:12 |
| zumbi | saw your comments on the OBS ML re OBS-SB2 | 19:12 |
| zumbi | yep, I was in the SDK meeting lurking | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i've had some crazy week so far, been in 3 cities in the last 4 days, adding brussels to the mix for fosdem | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'm longing to get back to hacking | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:13 |
| zumbi | aha! /me missing conferences this time | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | we have a quite good open mobile linux room this time around | 19:13 |
| zumbi | really | 19:13 |
| zumbi | uhmmm | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sec | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/track/open_mobile_linux_devroom | 19:14 |
| zumbi | I'll try to follow the material on the net/streams or whatever | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | i also have a talk myself, http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/mobile_beyond | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | but don't get your hopes up ;) | 19:14 |
| zumbi | Stskeeps: nice, embedded room also has nice talks this year | 19:17 |
| zumbi | looks like there is some fresh blood | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: saw my comment earlier on touchscreen? | 19:30 |
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| * lbt lays out all the FOSDEM T-shirts... | 20:03 | |
| Stskeeps | how many meters? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:04 |
| lbt | I'm just looking at them... looking at my carry on and shaking my head.... | 20:04 |
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| lbt | vgrade: vgradetab ping .... post tomorrow or take to FOSDEM? | 20:06 |
| lbt | w00t: you too ... | 20:06 |
| w00t | lbt: crap, i don't think i ever ordered, did i? | 20:06 |
| * w00t totally forgot | 20:07 | |
| lbt | yeah ... I know... you owe me one :) | 20:07 |
| lbt | well, Denise | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | think w00t isn't coming to fosdem though? | 20:08 |
| w00t | yeah | 20:08 |
| w00t | organising in PM now | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | just go for inbox zero | 20:09 |
| w00t | this is the second thing in a week I've forgotten to do until after the fact | 20:09 |
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| zester | Here is a screenshot for the first part of Mers Mobile Phone UI. | 20:16 |
| zester | http://i41.tinypic.com/f1l00x.png | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | not bad | 20:16 |
| zester | Aways from done but its a start :) | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's curious to see how much can be done with ease, yeah | 20:17 |
| lbt | phost5 back btw | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | in order not to confuse people, i'd call it something of your own choosing - we try actively not to signal that Mer even has a UI :) | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | hence Nemo, Plasma Active, etc | 20:18 |
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| zester | Well I have been a Kde/Qt developer for a very long time. I dont really have to read the api docs to much any more | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:18 |
| zester | By the way we can add something like this | 20:18 |
| * lbt suggests "citrus" ... seems appropriate for a zester | 20:19 | |
| zester | https://www.tropo.com/home.jsp | 20:19 |
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| zester | I am having some issues with network python code in qml blocking and multi thread doesn't seam to be doing any good ;( | 20:20 |
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| zester | citrus a name for the phone ui? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | or something like that, yeah | 20:20 |
| lbt | a name for your project which you just showed | 20:20 |
| zester | I would like to use some python in my c++ because there are a lot of network realated services apis for it allready out there. | 20:21 |
| zester | Sure citrus it is :) | 20:21 |
| zester | Mer Citrus ;) | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | or just Citrus on its own :) | 20:22 |
| zester | Leaves a sour taste in Tizens mouth | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: we try not to badmouth tizen for the simple reason we still have to work together on a bunch of common software in their upstream projects | 20:23 |
| zester | Sorry I have to hate on Tizen a little there my motivation :) | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:23 |
| zester | :nod: | 20:23 |
| zester | lol | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | i just want to see the power of what we work with :) | 20:23 |
| zester | I have Qt5 building I want to see what I can do with shaders in Citrus | 20:24 |
| zester | Maybe make that Mer wallpaper flow like water. | 20:25 |
| vgrade | lbt, post tomorrow, save you some space | 20:25 |
| lbt | ok | 20:25 |
| zester | https://wiki.maliit.org/Main_Page | 20:26 |
| zester | Should I be using the maliit-framework for input? | 20:27 |
| vgrade | ping me with the postage | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | zester: maliit's fantastic, yeah | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | zester: they know their stuff and it's quite flexible | 20:27 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, missed comment, irc down this afternoon, I'll catch up with backlog now | 20:27 |
| lbt | €11 | 20:27 |
| vgrade | for postage? | 20:28 |
| lbt | inc postage | 20:28 |
| lbt | ah you paid already | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: ok, nook tablet has same touchscreen as spark supposedly | 20:28 |
| zester | I am going to try and rewrite mcompositer with qt api's | 20:28 |
| vgrade | i've already paid for two shirts, so 6 Euro's then | 20:28 |
| lbt | nah | 20:28 |
| lbt | 3 | 20:29 |
| vgrade | ok | 20:29 |
| vgrade | ft5301? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: yeah, supposedly | 20:29 |
| vgrade | well I never, searched hi and low never found ft5301 drivers | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: i just made the connection when seeing a comment about spark | 20:31 |
| zester | Any one have any suggestions for an open GSM smart phone that I can get to test on? | 20:31 |
| zester | Was the N910 ever released? | 20:32 |
| zester | I don't think it was in the USA | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | N900's probably best supported | 20:32 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, My contact is back from New Years now and sent some things through I was waiting for so I'll have a look a that first. Thanks for the tip | 20:33 |
| zester | Yahh forgot about that | 20:33 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, did you leave your hotel STB running Mer | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: tempting.. | 20:34 |
| zester | If i use WebP for graphics I can cut memory consumption by 30% | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: your first handset UX experiments on beagle ---- did you use our pvr drivers? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | or not | 20:38 |
| harbaum | you mean ages ago? yes, i once an your drivers | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | we're wondering why on earth the panda is slow with our ux, so i recalled back to your experiments | 20:39 |
| harbaum | yeah, istr your drivers being faster at that time | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | though on beagleboard xm i doubt you used the | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | m | 20:41 |
| harbaum | nope the modified n900 kernel never really worked on xm. but i remember that it partially worked, but not if the video acceleration worked or not | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | we're seeing something like 12fps on panda which doesn't at all make sense, so | 20:42 |
| harbaum | hmm, the current setup runs pretty smooth on beagle using the ti gfx blob. i think i would see if i only had 12fps | 20:43 |
| harbaum | feels smooth, so probably nore than fps. flyingbus runs smooth, too | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:44 |
| Free-MG | I'm the only one who has a mer t-shirt ordered from Germany? | 20:48 |
| lbt | Free-MG: no, at least 2 | 20:55 |
| * timoph paid his shirt | 20:56 | |
| Free-MG | :) | 20:56 |
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| vgrade | lbt,postage paid | 21:04 |
| lbt | ta | 21:04 |
| matrixx | lbt: should I have received a confirmation about my shirt order? | 21:08 |
| matrixx | (including paying instructions perhaps) | 21:08 |
| lbt | you're collecting iirc | 21:09 |
| matrixx | great, I can bring cash to fosdem :) | 21:11 |
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| zester_ | The Mer Project has t-shirts? | 21:13 |
| lbt | matrixx: yes, that's fine | 21:13 |
| matrixx | that's a deal | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | zester_: https://plus.google.com/photos/of/113386402913695079840 is an earlier edition | 21:13 |
| zester_ | Any of you guys American? | 21:14 |
| lbt | zester_: yep ... for FOSDEM ... I'll probably do another post-FOSDEM order if there's enough interest | 21:14 |
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| alex_mayorga | Anyone here actively working on http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 ? | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | cxl000's the central person there, ARMv6 in general we handle in the project | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: did you know it's possible to use RPM macros in Release: ? | 21:40 |
| lbt | I was planning on it | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, in prjconf | 21:41 |
| lbt | ah | 21:41 |
| lbt | no, I didn't know that | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | colour me surprised too | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, hey, maybe i -am- learning something from this stuff | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:41 |
| lbt | makes sense - it's a literal subst | 21:42 |
| lbt | I probably didn't need my upstream patch then | 21:42 |
| lbt | s/probably// | 21:42 |
| lbt | still - macros are evil | 21:42 |
| lbt | nb concept of inheritance or similar for things like prjconf | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:43 |
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| * Stskeeps reads up on source services for the first time.. | 21:43 | |
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| lbt | also evil | 21:44 |
| lbt | mainly because they're pull | 21:44 |
| lbt | otherwise not bad :) | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | uh-huh | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:45 |
| lbt | relate Prefer to "Provides at a non-pkg level" | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | issh, it's more about choice | 21:56 |
| lbt | yes, I meant as a typical use | 21:56 |
| zester_ | I discovered QML States soooo cool :) | 21:58 |
| alex_mayorga | Stskeeps: Thanks! I have 2 N800 gathering dust and was wondering what to do with them | 21:58 |
| zester_ | Citrus will now rotate its ui when you turn your phone | 21:59 |
| lbt | local build - worth saying it runs the same 'build' script as the worker and gets the same dep list from the scheduler | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod | 22:00 |
| lbt | zester_: sounds good - I wonder where you'll be at by friday? | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/30/uk-belgium-strike-idUSLNE80T00A20120130 | 22:02 |
| lbt | yeah ... be fine by fri | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | i usually take a train from the airport | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:03 |
| lbt | sources.... no "revert" | 22:03 |
| * lbt will meet phaeron and get a taxi c/o Nokia | 22:04 | |
| zester_ | Hopefully have the VOIP Voice Messaging, SMS, Twitter, and IM support work | 22:04 |
| phaeron | lbt: not really :D | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'm happy enough with skeletons working fine, at least | 22:04 |
| lbt | I hate having no revert | 22:05 |
| zester_ | I can do Augmented Reality fairly easly | 22:05 |
| lbt | phaeron: what! | 22:05 |
| lbt | zester_: what device are you using | 22:05 |
| zester_ | Emulator | 22:05 |
| zester_ | And just QtMobility's sensors | 22:06 |
| lbt | good | 22:06 |
| zester_ | Kind of need to go buy a N900 to make sure it works though | 22:06 |
| zester_ | I have a n800 but it doesn't have any of that stuff | 22:07 |
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| lbt | zester_: if you can't find one then I think there's an effort to get some of Mozilla's spare N900s to hackers on loan ... timoph are you involved? | 22:08 |
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| zester_ | I am good tax return day is coming up really soon. | 22:09 |
| lbt | ok | 22:09 |
| zester_ | Thanks though :) | 22:09 |
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| zester_ | This is what we will have for 2d and 3d gaming http://www.maratis3d.org/?page_id=153 | 22:10 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: source server also handles remote links (which mainly matters when things crash and burn) | 22:10 |
| lbt | iirc | 22:11 |
| * Stskeeps has to crash and sleep | 22:12 | |
| Stskeeps | too much screen for me today | 22:12 |
| lbt | o/ | 22:12 |
| lbt | mmap looks great btw | 22:12 |
| zester_ | Anything in particular you guys would like to see in Mer | 22:14 |
| lbt | zester_: the main focus for us is to enable vendors to use Mer | 22:14 |
| lbt | so that will guide our need for features | 22:14 |
| zester_ | Well that wont be an issue. I mean feature wise. | 22:15 |
| lbt | well, we'll need the core to work of course | 22:15 |
| lbt | but we also want QA support | 22:15 |
| lbt | process support | 22:15 |
| lbt | so when someone starts to build a project and Mer changes under them .. how do they handle that? | 22:16 |
| lbt | then there is stuff built on top of Mer - like Nemo and Citrus | 22:16 |
| zester_ | Why didn't you guys just scrap the core system and just to a cross lfs build. using busybox or androids core tools? | 22:17 |
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| lbt | hehe ... because Mer is what is needed | 22:17 |
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| lbt | but, like I was saying, we also want other people to provide things that can be used on top of Mer | 22:18 |
| zester_ | Nooooo I mean keep all the meego specific api's and just replace the os it self | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | zester_: because if you show those tools to typical developers they'll run away screaming :) | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | zester_: we have a fairly good solution now, to be honest, providing a different angle on things | 22:18 |
| zester_ | I have an lfs cross build toolchain for every arm, mips, ppc, sparc x86 x86_64, .... build the whole base system in 20 min. | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i don't doubt it | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | but it also is limiting in terms of what you can actually do with it | 22:19 |
| lbt | zester_: think more about who our target users are | 22:19 |
| zester_ | I was just wondering seams like you guys are kinda makeing thing harder then they have to be. ;) | 22:20 |
| lbt | we are | 22:20 |
| lbt | much harder than it has to be for a single dev | 22:20 |
| lbt | but a lot lot easier for a business with many teams delivering a real product | 22:20 |
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| zester_ | What companys are you targeting? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | SME's typically | 22:22 |
| lbt | we think that small-medium device vendors will be able to use Mer | 22:22 |
| lbt | in a variety of verticals | 22:22 |
| lbt | mobile, tablet and TV are obvious... IVI is possible | 22:23 |
| zester_ | So like Raspberry Pi, and Trimslice? | 22:23 |
| lbt | that kind of device | 22:23 |
| zester_ | Beagleboard, Pandaboard, Gumstix | 22:23 |
| lbt | *nod* | 22:24 |
| lbt | one step above 'embedded' | 22:24 |
| zester_ | Does Mer have commercial motives? Is this something your looking to make money on someday? | 22:24 |
| lbt | yes | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | as consultants, yes, not as a project as such | 22:24 |
| zester_ | Ok I see | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | project is a co-operative between different companies and individuals | 22:25 |
| lbt | it's not going to change license or suchlike | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | to share the burden | 22:25 |
| zester_ | So a vendor says I need a system for this device here are my drivers ill pay you to build and maintain the core system kind of deal. | 22:25 |
| lbt | yep | 22:25 |
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| lbt | except we recognise that they need to keep the drivers closed | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | zester_: btw, just remember that we actively do review things like clfs, gentoo, debian and such, but you also have to understand that if they are so good, why does people spend ages and ages on making product programmes on top of it and limited success often? we offer a solution that is really sharing the burden and making ways to avoid thinking about there even existing cross compilation | 22:26 |
| lbt | recognise, not encourage | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | so that's where we recognise there's a gap :) | 22:26 |
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| Stskeeps | there was a clear gap with meego, and i'm not speaking of the handset business | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | people used it for a lot different things, even smarthouse stuff | 22:27 |
| lbt | zester_: also note that both of us have spent a fair amount of time working in Nokia doing this stuff - hence some knowledge of how it works in real product areas | 22:27 |
| zester_ | Personaly I have worked with alot of those distros and almost non of them have any real application developers. | 22:28 |
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| lbt | *nod* hence Qt and HTML5 | 22:28 |
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| zester_ | html5 will be good for the small stuff, but those that are trying to get it on the desktop like microsoft win8 <-- there just crazy . | 22:29 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: seen the /. Nokia story :) | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 22:32 |
| zester_ | google win 8 sucks lol | 22:32 |
| lbt | last sentence is just twisting the knife... | 22:32 |
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| zester_ | Are we using Phonon for multimedia | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | no, qtmultimediakit | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | phonon's deprecated | 22:41 |
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| zester_ | Does it support all the same codes as phonon(vlc/gstreamer)? | 22:42 |
| zester_ | Or do I have to use a third party api | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | gstreamer is it's backend, at least | 22:42 |
| zester_ | Ok thats cool | 22:42 |
| zester_ | Ohhhhh really important question | 22:43 |
| zester_ | What should the local dir structure(user home dir) i guess you could call it for a phone look like | 22:43 |
| zester_ | Documents, Media(Audio, Video, Images), Contacts on an SD card | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | just rely on xdg-user-dirs | 22:45 |
| lbt | have you ever looked at a random user's windows desktop | 22:46 |
| lbt | it should look like that | 22:46 |
| zester_ | xdg-user-dirs ok | 22:46 |
| zester_ | So QDesktopServices | 22:50 |
| zester_ | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/5.0-snapshot/qdesktopservices.html | 22:50 |
| zester_ | Ignore the Qt5 its the same in Qt4 | 22:50 |
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| zester_ | Ill have to lookup or ask Qt devs were VCard(contact) data should go. | 22:55 |
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