| wmarone_ | hmm | 00:03 |
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| wmarone_ | anyone familiar with the ti wlan firmwares? | 00:03 |
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| vgrade | wmarone_, I did a bit of digging around that | 00:37 |
| wmarone_ | oh? | 00:37 |
| vgrade | what a maze | 00:37 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 00:37 |
| vgrade | seems like there a number of drivers | 00:38 |
| vgrade | all based on different kernel versions | 00:38 |
| wmarone_ | I'm not so concerned about the kernel, I'm stuck with 2.6.32 for the time being | 00:39 |
| vgrade | you're on nook right? | 00:39 |
| wmarone_ | yes | 00:39 |
| vgrade | have a look at the backlog on here from before xmas, there was some chat betwee arc_mat and I, he recomended a particular driver. | 00:40 |
| wmarone_ | hmm | 00:40 |
| vgrade | sec, let me have a look | 00:40 |
| vgrade | wl1271? | 00:43 |
| wmarone_ | wl1272 actually | 00:43 |
| wmarone_ | exceedingly similar though | 00:43 |
| wmarone_ | mostly I'm trying to figure out which of the files are needed and where I need to put them | 00:44 |
| vgrade | well I managed to get a kernel driver plus the 802.11 .ko drivers loaded on the G9 and then you need the firmware files | 00:46 |
| wmarone_ | .ko drivers? | 00:47 |
| vgrade | I was using git clone git://git.omapzoom.org/platform/hardware/ti/wlan.git | 00:48 |
| wmarone_ | and those aren't upstream? | 00:48 |
| vgrade | and bulding from the mac80211 directory | 00:48 |
| wmarone_ | hm | 00:49 |
| wmarone_ | indeed | 00:49 |
| wmarone_ | ls | 00:49 |
| wmarone_ | I think I'll just use the .ko from my android build | 00:50 |
| wmarone_ | no interest in installing the entire Android build system just to build a driver | 00:50 |
| wmarone_ | (fuck you google) | 00:50 |
| vgrade | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git;a=tree;f=ti-connectivity;h=85609a550cf9a3982e7e4445a161824a68223167;hb=HEAD | 00:51 |
| vgrade | firmware from here | 00:51 |
| vgrade | let me know how you get on, i did not manage to get it going on archos G9 | 00:51 |
| vgrade | I think they have it sorted now but using a recent kernel | 00:51 |
| wmarone_ | the problem is that I still don't know what of those files I need to use | 00:52 |
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| wmarone_ | the n950 adaptation uses the wl1271-fw.bin and wl1271-nvs.bin files | 00:52 |
| vgrade | yes thats my understanding a firmware file and then the nvs which is a config file | 00:53 |
| wmarone_ | ok | 00:53 |
| vgrade | I'll look out my lab notes tomorrow and pastie them | 00:55 |
| wmarone_ | ok, .ko filed | 00:57 |
| wmarone_ | ko file transferred | 00:57 |
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| timoph | morning | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | zzz | 07:42 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: morning | 08:03 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: perhaps something else is drawing to framebuffer? | 08:09 |
| sonach | hmmm, maybe, but I don't know what is it... | 08:12 |
| sonach | And new mer release will be ready soon? | 08:12 |
| sonach | I mean, with this release, I can make jffs2 smaller. So I can start qtmediahub from NANDFLASH instead of chroot. | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | i will try to start a prerelease once i've woken up a bit | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'm changing hotels today so will be gone for like 4 hours | 08:13 |
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| sonach | OK. Since we have tested XBMC successfully in meego's chroot, I think I can solve the no-display problem later. Then, the real problem is the footprint:) | 08:17 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: We can do further discussion whenever you are convenient:) | 08:18 |
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| * Stskeeps notes that we should provide some kind of "powered by mer" logo | 08:57 | |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: indeed | 09:15 |
| * timoph smells a great opportunity for someone with graphics design skills to contribute | 09:15 | |
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| nsuffys | morning :) | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | any luck with wetab yet? | 09:18 |
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| nsuffys | I'll try to flash with exopc bios today, I looked at some tutorials yesterday. I'm think it's the best | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | ah, don't do that | 09:24 |
| nsuffys | :/ | 09:24 |
| nsuffys | why ? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://wetab.mobi/en/developers/downloads-and-howtos/ , see bottom | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | just using the nemo image instead | 09:26 |
| nsuffys | I'll try right away, I'm newbies with this tablet ;) | 09:29 |
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| jkt | hi there | 10:04 |
| jkt | I was just wondering if there are any known efforts to get some free software running on top of Lumia 800 | 10:04 |
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| nsuffys | Stskeeps: it's work ! I just modify my usb stick to a "Magic Key", without this, wetab doesn't boot on usb | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | jkt, not really, locked bootloader | 10:16 |
| jkt | Stskeeps: thanks | 10:18 |
| nsuffys | thank you for your help ! ;) | 10:20 |
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| * lbt realises he didn't say "good morning" | 11:20 | |
| lbt | good morning | 11:20 |
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| lbt | morning phaeron | 12:00 |
| phaeron | morning | 12:00 |
| lbt | just about to go look at home:stskeeps:tools for the upstream git for each of the packages | 12:01 |
| lbt | I want to have a git tree for them not just tarballs | 12:01 |
| lbt | that's .... nuts | 12:02 |
| phaeron | unless upstream already has one for them | 12:02 |
| lbt | ideally | 12:03 |
| phaeron | after fixing everything to compile against the latest glib/cogl/clutter, everything worked using egl except the top bar. which is annoying ... :( | 12:04 |
| * alterego contemplates getting an IP camera for out the front of his house. | 12:08 | |
| lbt | I can suggest a nice pan-n-tilt | 12:09 |
| alterego | Would make deciding whether it's work coming down two flights of stairs to answer the door easier | 12:09 |
| lbt | yup | 12:09 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'd quite like a PTZ camera | 12:09 |
| lbt | z is more expensive - pt is < £80 | 12:09 |
| alterego | Well, zoom isn't something I /really/ need but would be nice :) | 12:10 |
| alterego | Maybe just having a high quality image would be better anyway. | 12:10 |
| lbt | foscam 18918w | 12:10 |
| lbt | bbiab... I have a decent ebay location | 12:10 |
| alterego | Pretty cheap, nice. | 12:11 |
| alterego | And intercom, that would be even cooler :) | 12:11 |
| alterego | And motion detection, which was the other thing I was interested in. Neat, I'm almost sold :) | 12:12 |
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| alien_ | I created a Mer page on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(Operating_System) | 12:42 |
| alien_ | it might not be accurate and complete, but feel free to fix any issues there might be | 12:43 |
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| harbaum | Have you guys heard about the "Spark" tablet? | 13:28 |
| harbaum | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html | 13:29 |
| lbt | yes. thanks :) | 13:29 |
| lbt | rather nice | 13:29 |
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| Stskeeps | oh interesting, the STB on this hotel is amino | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, grooveshark has the OST from the sound of music :) | 15:51 |
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| Stskeeps | hi zester | 17:05 |
| zester | Hello Bot? | 17:05 |
| dm8tbr | hi zester | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | zester: nop, just welcoming and friendly project founder :) | 17:06 |
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| zester | :) | 17:06 |
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| zester | Project Founder as in dev? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 17:06 |
| zester | Cool well I am zester | 17:06 |
| zester | Came to see about helping your project out. | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | alright - out of curiousity, where did you hear about us? | 17:07 |
| zester | Let me show you who I am first | 17:07 |
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| zester | https://github.com/zester/Quantum | 17:08 |
| zester | and ... | 17:08 |
| zester | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/member/2183 | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you shouldn't have much difficult basing anything on mer it looks :) | 17:09 |
| lbt | looks interesting | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | difficulty, that is | 17:09 |
| zester | Sooo instead of going at it allby my lonesome I decided to finaly give in and come over to join you guys :) | 17:10 |
| lbt | excellent idea | 17:10 |
| zester | brb | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | we're basically a project that strives to give a well performing linux/qt/html5/js core - we don't contain UIs and hardware adaptations as such, but people can easily do projects that do provide those | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | (this is because we avoid a lot of traditional politics that way and can focus on what we all really need to work together on) | 17:11 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: is pm-utils missing in arm for a reason , or is it an error like ca-certificates | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | it was an error on my behalf | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | this is the stupid thing about obs linked projects :) | 17:16 |
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| phaeron | ok :) | 17:18 |
| smoku | easily... | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: okay, working on the 'easily' part | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:19 |
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| smoku | :D | 17:19 |
| lbt | smoku: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide and http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step | 17:20 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: at least there are people trying stuff now. I know it's hard to dry runs :) | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:22 |
| smoku | to do... | 17:23 |
| smoku | lbt: this is the other side to the UI ;-) | 17:24 |
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| lbt | ah, I thought you meant the hardware adaptations :) | 17:25 |
| lbt | I'd like to see some UI's that are much less grandiose | 17:25 |
| lbt | more like single purpose devices | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | for various purposes i've considered to make a dead man's switch UI | 17:27 |
| lbt | ... ? | 17:28 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: single purpose qml is likely the way to go. so it should be extremely easy to base off vanilla mer+merux | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: think elderly | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:28 |
| lbt | ah... literally | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, or, avoiding situations that lead to it | 17:29 |
| lbt | *nod* | 17:29 |
| lbt | kinect | 17:29 |
| dm8tbr | ah, I used to work for the ambulance service and paid a lot of visits to 24h-button-overrun locations... | 17:29 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I'm not sure if a touchscreen would work for the elderly. better results probably to couple a tft with a physical button and show e.g. 'Please press button, morning press not registered' | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: :nod: | 17:36 |
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| zester | Where are Mer's src located? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | zester: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | zester: we take contributions through a gerrit instance | 18:13 |
| zester | K | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | that way we ensure transparency and proper reviews :) | 18:13 |
| zester | Is there a reason that your basicly providing a complete operating system instead of just Mer relavent packages? Just asking ;) | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | zester: we're derived from meego, taking what was useful and made a nice mobile core | 18:14 |
| zester | Is Mer rpm based still? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:15 |
| zester | Would you guy object to a new build system where you could just say "build for armv6 and produce rpm packages or debs ..." | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | zester: well, we have OBS, which kinda does that, but in truth: packaging is a big chore | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | and in practice, what matters is the content, ie, the actual software running | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | so doubling the work with two packaging formats is a bit, well, why? :) | 18:18 |
| zester | I once rewrote the linux kernel make files using premake4 :) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | in practice we have a system that cross compiles very nicely to x86, armv6, v7 softfp/hardfloat, mips, etc | 18:18 |
| zester | Anyways I could just code something for me personaly and if you like it well if not then no harm :) | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | yep, it's open source, i can't stop you | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | though there's more useful things to be done :) | 18:19 |
| zester | It's just that with Meego me or non of my team could ever get the dam thing to install with out tons of errors. | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, well, we aren't exactly meego :) | 18:20 |
| zester | Hence why I started my Quantum project out of fustration. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | if it was x86, you probably ran into the SSSE3 problems | 18:20 |
| zester | Is Meego's composit manager in the repos somewheres? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | we consider that part UI, so it's in seperate projects | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | Nemo uses mcompositor | 18:21 |
| zester | mcompositor thats what I was looking for. | 18:21 |
| zester | Any luck building on x86? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | sure, want to see a video of Nemo on exopc? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9egLh3yF5gk&feature=youtu.be | 18:22 |
| zester | Awsome :) | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | a couple of flaws as we usually run it on n900/n950/n9 | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjsxKEacIkU - qtmediahub on top of mer on top of trimslice (tegra2) | 18:25 |
| zester | Whats the deal with the Tizen references on the Mer site. I subscribed to there mailing list and asked about Qt support and they said Meego was crap.... Anyways I ripped there ass's and then some Mer supporter told me not to bother with them and just to come here. | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | funny story :) basically, a lot of us had gotten tired with the way meego was going and had planned to fork it, but intel actually came first :) we are interested with working with tizen from the point of view of their HTML5 application story as this can have a benefit for the mobile linux community as a whole. Just because applications can be html5, our UI's don't have to be. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | the original hope was that tizen released code would be at least somewhat related to moblin or meego, but it has been published as a derititaive of Samsung's Linux Platform which is debian derived | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | though there is rumours of a rpm based tizen existing too. | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | in Mer, we streamline towards linux/qt/html5/js, though if people want to slap GTK+ on top, or whatever, they're free to do so | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | in the end it's our customers, the vendors, who choose what comes in and out of their devices and what they allow | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | vendors can be someone like you, providing a UI, a lonely hacker doing a home project or a company doing devices | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | tizen has made their choices for their stack and we've made ours, though it doesn't mean we won't collaborate | 18:30 |
| zester | You can just uses WebOS there is an experimental Qt native backend for Enyo and PhoneGap | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that too | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind that when we wrote our original missions, webos hadn't gone OSS. | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm inclined to support phonegap as well, but it's good to keep our options open. | 18:33 |
| lbt | zester: what Stskeeps meant to link to wrt source was: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Source | 18:33 |
| zester | Were you aware of the Qt native backend for WebOS and PhoneGap that is being built. | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'm aware of phonegap-qt4/5 yes | 18:34 |
| zester | Yah that | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | phonegap has one problem though, it doesn't allow very nice distribution of apps across platforms | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | tizen has this 'wgt' thing, which is the w3c widget standard, basically a .zip | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | phonegap is practically a wrapper for it's apps | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'd much rather have one phonegap runtime on my system than many | 18:36 |
| zester | You mean the whole you pay us and we will build it for this or that platform deal? | 18:36 |
| zester | Doesn't matter just trying to get on the same page. | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | no, that is a useful service -- i'm speaking of that as far as i can tell, they don't have a 'phonegap app' format | 18:37 |
| zester | Ahh | 18:37 |
| zester | ok | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | in the end it's up to the people doing a device or a UI or a solution to pick and choose what they want to have | 18:38 |
| zester | Do you have any OpenGL / OpenGL ES game development api plans | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | what the mer core provides is qt/qt mobility/qt webkit - i would hope people would organize together to share a game development api | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | and opengl es naturally | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'm aware that the 'core' thing sounds a bit fuzzy, but we're not trying to create a new application ecosystem, just provide the tools to make good linux/qt/html5/js products :) | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | and allow people to share efforts | 18:40 |
| zester | I am forking http://www.maratis3d.org/ framework over to Qt I already have it working in SFML2 | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 18:41 |
| lbt | zester: the merproject also has an 'incubator' mentality too ... so projects that target Mer particularly and form a base for collaboration are welcome to talk about using resources | 18:41 |
| lbt | ie as that fork develops, you may want to host it around Mer | 18:42 |
| lbt | something to bear in mind over time | 18:42 |
| zester | Not sure if I should leave it's code base alone and just get it rendering in QtOpenGL or just shread the code base and make it entirly dependent on Qt api's | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you can render straight to opengl, probably good to do it in qtopengl | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | makes it nicely portable | 18:43 |
| zester | Well I have done alot of experimentation with Qt lately like having Qt's paint system rendering to a GL Texture in SFML without using the rest of Qt and using Skia in Qt. Crazy stuff | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | so, is there any areas you'd specifically like to contribute in? | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | your skillset, etc :) | 18:45 |
| zester | Do you know of ZeroMQ? | 18:45 |
| * Stskeeps looks over at lbt | 18:46 | |
| lbt | :) | 18:46 |
| zester | I am across the board I have experance with just about ever area except kernel development. Ill have to look over Mer's code base and see what sticks out. | 18:46 |
| lbt | we use Rabbit AMQP for our systems work | 18:46 |
| lbt | zester: Mer is more than just a device codestack | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | zester: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00159.html - i try to send these out weekly on the mailing list | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | zester: also good for seeing what works needs to be done | 18:47 |
| lbt | we also have (and provide to vendors) build systems and CI automation | 18:47 |
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| zester | I was working on replacing QDBus with ZeroMQ but ...... | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | interesting research project for embedded, perhaps | 18:49 |
| lbt | mmm | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | though a lot of software would have to be rewritten | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | i would assume | 18:50 |
| lbt | I think it'd be quite interesting for higher level apps | 18:50 |
| lbt | device 2 device | 18:50 |
| zester | To tell you the truth I actualy like to rewrite stuff :) | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, just be careful as touching some things are like playing jenka | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | one bad move and the entire building falls apart | 18:51 |
| lbt | although there's plenty of crap that needs rewriting now it's settled down and we know what it *should* be doing | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo Ayla | 18:52 |
| lbt | OK ... Stskeeps you can happily point at http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ now I've found the HTML header file :) | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, good ;) | 18:52 |
| Ayla | Stskeeps, hi | 18:54 |
| lbt | zester: at some point get yourself a meego.com account and I'll enable you on the community OBS | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | Ayla: welcome :) so what brings you here? | 18:54 |
| zester | Any opinions on Fossil http://fossil-scm.org and Premake4 http://industriousone.com/premake ? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | no particular opinion about fossil, it's just a SCM amongst many | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | premake.. not heard of, but we usually just utilize what our packaged software utilizes | 18:55 |
| Ayla | Stskeeps: curiosity | 18:56 |
| zester | So what is Mer needing and are you using Qt5 | 18:56 |
| Ayla | losinggeneration: man, you're everywhere | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | Ayla: alright - feel free to hang around :) out of curiousity, did you do something with MIPS devices at some point? | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | zester: we're not yet integrating qt5 as it's a moving target, but we do have plans and actual packaging | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | qt5 is just shifting around a lot before feature freze | 18:58 |
| Ayla | of course, I do work on a Linux distibution for a chinese handheld built around a MIPS processor | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | Ayla: my apologies, did a /whois on you and looked a bit around - i just completed a port of Mer for MIPS32/O32 some week or two ago | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | hence me asking :) | 18:59 |
| Ayla | ok | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | has gcc4.6.2 and all that stuff, so fairly modern | 19:00 |
| zester | Sooo Mer provides the Framework that projects like Nemo use to build there UI's | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | zester: pretty much, all the boring stuff you'd normally have to hire a bunch of expensive linux guys to do | 19:03 |
| zester | Ok cool that's kind of my thing. | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | our responsibility usually stops somewhere near qt/qt webkit/qt mobility top | 19:08 |
| zester | You should possible add RtAudio, RtMidi and STK | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | never heard of those? | 19:10 |
| zester | https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/stk/index.html | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, that is free for anyone to add and probably simple to package | 19:11 |
| zester | http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~gary/rtaudio/ | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | we are trying intentionally not to maintain a debian size package repository ourselves :) | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | though people are welcome to gather together and package useful stuff, like kinect drivers, opencv, audio tools, or whatever | 19:12 |
| zester | There only header files RtAudio is like one header and supports Alsa, OSSv4, Jack ,... under one unified api | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:13 |
| zester | Lets see if Mer has pulse audio in there | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | we use pulseaudio mainly, which may frighten some | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:13 |
| zester | Yes !!! BAD MER BAD | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | generally, if you don't like something, you're more than welcome to take the burden of maintaining that part yourself | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | just don't send bug reports about it our way ;) | 19:14 |
| zester | RtAudio is far far far easier and superior to blahhh pulse lol. | 19:14 |
| zester | Lol | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | pulseaudio works for n900 to make phonecalls properly, for instance | 19:14 |
| zester | I dont file bug reports I usely fix them my self | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | that's okay too, though sometimes good to discuss with people | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | a bug report with a patch is the best kind :) | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | (or in our case, associated gerrit change) | 19:15 |
| zester | I am hard core one sec ill show you something's | 19:15 |
| zester | http://i55.tinypic.com/a0ud5f.png | 19:16 |
| zester | 3D Modeling Skills | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm certain that'll be part of my nightmares tonight.. | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:16 |
| zester | http://i40.tinypic.com/qodt8z.png | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | good to see someone who has the skills :) did you play with qml's shadereffects yet? | 19:17 |
| zester | OpenSceneGraph Qt4 Editor | 19:17 |
| zester | http://oi44.tinypic.com/11kxbvo.jpg | 19:17 |
| zester | Wait I am not done | 19:17 |
| zester | This is my second attempt at replacing Kde4 desktop enviroment. | 19:18 |
| zester | http://i52.tinypic.com/9kuop0.png | 19:18 |
| zester | Here is Qt4 Graphics Stack rendering to SFML2 | 19:19 |
| zester | http://i42.tinypic.com/2affmeq.png | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | so, basically, you're a bit crazy? ;) | 19:19 |
| zester | QtSVG rendering to SFML2 | 19:20 |
| zester | http://i43.tinypic.com/6f3v2p.png | 19:20 |
| zester | :) actualy alot crazy :) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, you should be able to do a lot of fun things on top of mer then | 19:20 |
| zester | Here is Googles Skia I have this working in Qt and SFML2 http://i40.tinypic.com/2ntxl6r.png | 19:21 |
| zester | Getting Skia to compile properly and work was a pain in the ass | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | google's build system are crazy | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | 's | 19:23 |
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| zester | Googles build system just plain out sucks | 19:23 |
| zester | I rewrote Gwenview in a day using Magick++ here are my results | 19:24 |
| zester | http://i56.tinypic.com/a0ba4n.png | 19:24 |
| zester | Swirl Effect | 19:24 |
| zester | http://i55.tinypic.com/2v3n3ww.png | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | so what's your primary device targets? desktop, or more mobile? | 19:24 |
| zester | Normal Application view | 19:24 |
| zester | I target Mobile soo that the applications performance is really good on the desktop | 19:25 |
| zester | But in general I like to build my own stuff as you can tell | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:25 |
| zester | But it is sooo hard to find others on my level to work with and well you know it's alot of work | 19:26 |
| zester | I loved the way Meego looked and ran at it's late stage | 19:26 |
| zester | Then intel had to get all stupid. | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | did you see the tizen SDK's applications? | 19:26 |
| zester | Its all Gtk i ran the route for 8 years Gobject almost killed me never again | 19:27 |
| zester | But no | 19:27 |
| zester | lol | 19:27 |
| zester | Why do they look good? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | are you up for a challenge? | 19:27 |
| zester | Does it involve coding using Gtk? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | no, thank god | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | (apologies to anyone liking gtk) | 19:28 |
| zester | K whats the challenge | 19:28 |
| zester | F$#% Gtk | 19:28 |
| zester | Yupp I said it | 19:28 |
| zester | ;) | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | i have a bet going with myself that anyone with sufficient drive and knowledge can implement the apps in http://realnorth.net/blog/tizen-primer-contacto/ , with backend stubs (ie, no need for it to actually work behind the scenes), in QML, with qml and qt components, in a week, and make it look a lot nicer | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | we have entire set of qt components for harmattan, so that does help some things | 19:29 |
| zester | IWont to see my QML Work :) | 19:30 |
| zester | Want | 19:30 |
| zester | lol | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | sure, out of curiousity | 19:30 |
| zester | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/6664/ | 19:30 |
| zester | Video http://zester.googlecode.com/files/out-1.ogv | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 19:32 |
| zester | Hybred Qt4 and Html5 desktop prototype | 19:32 |
| zester | http://i51.tinypic.com/1433wa9.png | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | any of this open source? | 19:33 |
| zester | I dont have that code anymore unfortantly | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:33 |
| zester | But I could do it again easly | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'd like to see someone disprove my theory at least (or prove it) | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be a stunning example of what's possible these days | 19:33 |
| zester | Check this out Hybred Qt Html5 Desktop in 3D lol ;) | 19:34 |
| zester | http://i51.tinypic.com/5yetcl.png | 19:34 |
| zester | Keep in mind all those examples are over a year old I have greatly improved | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:35 |
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| zester | There issues with the Hybred Html5, Css3 and javascript prototypes | 19:35 |
| zester | QtWebkit is actualy kinda slow | 19:36 |
| zester | Well compared to Chromium | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | i do have worries about the html5 story in that regard, yeah | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | but i think that if you for example switched javascript engine to be using v8 instead, you might be havng a better experience | 19:36 |
| zester | Hopefully the new V8 engine and Webkit2 will help | 19:37 |
| zester | Now for mobile the issue might be with memory consumption. | 19:37 |
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| zester | You start opening multiple instances of QWebPage youl endup running out of memory pretty quickly on a phone | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | probably, though if you can share the initialization a bit, it helps | 19:39 |
| zester | And you have to becarefull how much javascript ends up loading because that kills performance | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | mobile's always a challenge :) | 19:39 |
| zester | It's a chalenge on the desktop when dealing with a web rendering engine | 19:40 |
| zester | Hopefully we get WebGL soon | 19:40 |
| zester | in QtWebkit | 19:40 |
| zester | Sorry if I am to chatty ;) lol | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's alright | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, i have to prepare for something for tomorrow | 19:41 |
| zester | ;) ttyl | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | if you need some advice on getting started with mer, feel free to ask, would love to see you using it and experimenting with it | 19:41 |
| zester | Is there a virtualbox img around | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | you can try an ancient one with nemo, it has a problem with the compositor, if you want | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | it uses llvmpipe | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-nemo-handset-i586-testing-0.20111128.3.CE.2011-12-01.2-1.2.90.20111212.1054.iso | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | is very alpha, as it was first time playing with llvmpipe | 19:43 |
| zester | Ohh and those Tizen apps we could do in a day or two | 19:43 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: you ever heard of the 80 char limit? | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: yes, i grew up on 132 char per line terminals ;) | 19:44 |
| zester | We can start on them when everyone has some time to kill | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a good use case, "so, you want to make a phone UI? takes two days" ;) | 19:45 |
| zester | Those are cake QtMobility and QML no time at all | 19:46 |
| zester | I wrote a mobile dialer in strait c++ in and hour | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | as an example, we're a bit stuck with MTF based applications in Nemo, for example | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | and we'd very much like to move to something saner | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | like qml | 19:47 |
| zester | MTF? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | libmeegotouch | 19:47 |
| vgrade | zester, are you following http://razor-qt.org/ efforts | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | you know, the evil one that got ditched for qml ;) | 19:47 |
| zester | vgrade are you the author of razor | 19:48 |
| vgrade | no just did a build of it om Mer | 19:48 |
| zester | The author of razor-qt wanted me to join his team I wanted him to join mine... | 19:49 |
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| zester | Razor-Qt is ok I like my Desktop better mines more like Mac OS X | 19:50 |
| zester | http://i52.tinypic.com/9kuop0.png | 19:50 |
| zester | Is this Mac's desktop or Mine? | 19:51 |
| zester | http://i54.tinypic.com/10x54wi.png | 19:51 |
| vgrade | zester, looks good. I just thought the two projects had similar goals. Anyway we brought razor up on Mer quite easliy | 19:53 |
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| zester | Well mine is more of an educational thing, A this is how you build a desktop from scratch using Qt, this is how you write a file manager from scratch, ... | 19:54 |
| lbt | useful | 19:54 |
| zester | Then I would write a tutorial going step by step threw the code | 19:54 |
| zester | I would like to do the same using Mer | 19:55 |
| vgrade | zester, all for the educational angle, I'm involved in the Education team for the qtonpi project for Raspberry Pi | 19:55 |
| zester | Give them a mobile ui and then teach them how to write the thing from scratch line for line explaining what we are doing and why. | 19:56 |
| zester | :) Can't wait to get one. | 19:56 |
| zester | Raspberry Pi is what I am going to use to write my new apps on, make them fast of Rpi and they will be even faster on the desktop kind of deal. | 19:57 |
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| zester | I am concerned that the new genereation of developers are not going to have anyone to teach them how to do all this stuff and open source oses will endup dieing. It's not like they teach linux kernel programming or programming with xlib in schools | 19:59 |
| zester | In the day we all built our systems from src and build our package managers from scratch. This new generation would be lost without distros like Ubuntu | 20:00 |
| Ayla | 'in the day' there were only a handful of developers | 20:01 |
| zester | Seams like that is how it is now. | 20:01 |
| zester | There is only a handfull of use who can code using Xlib | 20:01 |
| zester | I am not putting them down, I am generally concerned this stuff is becoming a lost art. | 20:02 |
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| zester | Awsome I was just notified that the Raspberry Pi will not need X we should be able to have Hardware Accelerated OpenGL ES and EGL on the Framebuffer | 20:08 |
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| vgrade | new wikipedia page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(Operating_System) | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | i am waiting for the 'not notable' wikipedia stamp | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:UnrealIRCd is what happened to my last project | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:20 |
| * w00t inks the stamp | 20:22 | |
| w00t | :-P | 20:22 |
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| zester | <Stskeeps> How are you Qt skills? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a systems guy :) | 20:29 |
| w00t | he abuses people like me for that | 20:30 |
| zester | How about you then w00t | 20:30 |
| w00t | depends on the subject area; but usually i'm comfortable | 20:32 |
| zester | Cool I was looking for a partner | 20:32 |
| zester | Here is our target http://realnorth.net/blog/tizen-primer-contacto/ | 20:33 |
| w00t | i don't have time to take more projects on (unfortunately); qt 5 is taking up all of my free hack time for the moment, and i'm already neglecting things i should be doing on nemo as a result | 20:34 |
| zester | You the Nemo guy? | 20:36 |
| zester | You = Your | 20:36 |
| w00t | i spend some of my time on it | 20:37 |
| zester | Could you tell me what your using for the window manager? | 20:37 |
| zester | mcompositor | 20:40 |
| w00t | yup | 20:40 |
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| zester | Any major issues with it that you know of? | 20:41 |
| zester | Does it have window decorations? | 20:41 |
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| * lbt browses the MDS source and wonders if Stskeeps realises that python has docstrings? | 21:28 | |
| Stskeeps | no? ;) | 21:31 |
| lbt | really it does! | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | is due for a rewrite anyway | 21:33 |
| lbt | I'm redoing the MDS page | 21:35 |
| lbt | have a look http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_Delivery_System | 21:37 |
| lbt | still editing it but you may want to comment | 21:38 |
| phaeron | http://lwn.net/Articles/477949/ | 21:38 |
| lbt | yes, no meat though :( | 21:38 |
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