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| walle | Hi, all. Is there a mic2 installation package for ubuntu 10.10 upper,like 11.04, 11.10 | 04:26 |
| phaeron | check on build.meego.com | 04:47 |
| phaeron | in the Tools project | 04:47 |
| phaeron | that being said mer will move to mic the new version of mic2 | 04:47 |
| walle | does it means that Mer will provide mic for more Linux distributions | 04:58 |
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| phaeron | at least try to | 05:10 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:40 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning sonach | 05:41 |
| sonach | Good morning, stskeeps! | 05:41 |
| sonach | Won | 05:41 |
| sonach | Won't you do a business trip today? | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, taking plane in 6-7 hours or so | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | still need to pack a little bit | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: by the way, on your board, i don't assume you have a SD card slot? | 05:43 |
| sonach | Wish a nice trip then:) | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | that might be a good thing for temporary development | 05:43 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: yes. no SD card slot. | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | so you normally use NFS to test some things out? | 05:43 |
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| sonach | Yes, NFS was our major method to test applications, | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | i tried out qtmediahub without 3d acceleration on my PC over the weekend, it was surprisingily fast | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully it'd be fast on ARM too | 05:45 |
| walle | sonach:nice to meet you here. i've sent you a email to query how you install the mic tool on your ubuntu11.10,it seems not work on my 11.04 | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | walle: we hope soon to be providing a file system which contains 'mic' and other useful tools | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | walle: so you can chroot into it, like a platform SDK | 05:46 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: Ah, it is a good news! I will try qtmediahub on my board a little later:) | 05:47 |
| walle | on as more as distributions or distributions-undepended | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | walle: independent of distributions | 05:48 |
| Stskeeps | walle: you see, it's difficult to compile tools for all distributions, so you get an actual small 'Mer' for your system | 05:49 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: So the platform SDK is a very urgent task:) | 05:49 |
| timoph | yeah :) | 05:49 |
| walle | hmm, at least for all fashion ubuntu distributions? | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | walle: even ubuntu has problems to be built for :) | 05:50 |
| walle | so, which is the perfect one for mer | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | walle: we hope people will contribute work to make the tools work, but platform SDK will work on all distributions | 05:50 |
| timoph | fortunately it's friday so I can continue experimenting with the sdk chroot today :) | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | walle: i personally use fedora 14 | 05:51 |
| * timoph uses ubuntu 11.10 | 05:51 | |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | is our design page | 05:52 |
| timoph | btw, at least on 11.10 you get mic and friends just by installing meego-packaging-tools package | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: yeah, mic2 but not 'mic' | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | and it's an old version :( | 05:52 |
| timoph | ah | 05:52 |
| walle | maybe i should update my 11.04 | 05:52 |
| timoph | no need with the platform sdk approach | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is that mer was meego 1.3 based, so we require a git version of mic2 that was never fully released | 05:53 |
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| timoph | hmmh | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | but 'mic' works better | 05:53 |
| sonach | walle: You can look into http://blog.csdn.net/sonach/article/details/7047720 | 05:54 |
| sonach | walle: But as Stskeeps said, Using Mer's platform SDK will be the most suitable way to work with:) | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i think we'll first try to get your footprint down a bit, currently qtmediahub is something like 26mb compressed at the moment (can probably be smaller) | 05:56 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: but if you're interested in packages, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/stskeeps%3a/branches%3a/home%3a/vgrade%3a/qtmediahub/Mer_Core_armv7l/ | 05:56 |
| walle | sonach:oops, shamed on me, i've read some article on your blog but not find the one you point | 05:57 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Now my compressed rootfs with qmlviewer is about 90MB and the NAND FLASH size I can use is 107MB. | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, we should be able to get it lower hopefully | 05:57 |
| phaeron | *rant* sometimes upstream makes packagers' lives difficult | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i've opened a bug to have a build of Mer that's built with Thumb2 | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: which takes up even less space, provided your chip supports it properly | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | (ubuntu uses it) | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: sources those packages are based off, is http://gitorious.org/qtmediahub/qtmediahub/trees/master | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: saw my OBS mindmap? | 05:58 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: no | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/Open%20Build%20Service.png | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | work in progress | 05:59 |
| walle | Platform SDKs is quite more interesting | 05:59 |
| phaeron | woah | 06:01 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Now I can try to include qtmediahub in my rootfs. Is there any ks files to refer to? Now my ks file for qmlviewer is http://pastie.org/3261405 | 06:03 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I think I should build the image with qtmediahub successfully before you go to the airport:) | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i think you can add those two repos, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/stskeeps%3a/branches%3a/home%3a/vgrade%3a/qtmediahub/Mer_Core_armv7l/ and http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/vgrade%3a/PA2/Mer_Core_armv7l/ | 06:04 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: and what packages? | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: you might need to add in %packages: qtmediahub , libdeclarative-multimedia , libqtdeclarative4-particles | 06:05 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I will add something to the qmlviewer.ks. Is that right? | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | and then eventually run with qtmediahub -opengl-usage false | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's fine | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | show me the .ks afterwards | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't tested this myself on ARM and it might run a lot lot better with directfb as well | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | but let's see | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | this is a big package | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | so don't be surprised if your footprint gets too big | 06:08 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3261443 | 06:10 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I have directfb on my borad:) | 06:10 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: really nice | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: you can replace /usr/bin/qmlviewer with /usr/bin/qtmediahub -opengl-usage false in the .ks | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: how does that work anyway (directfb), hisilicon gives you a software module/plugin for directfb? | 06:13 |
| phaeron | I enabled flickr on dawait yesterday , and was surprised to see some old photos I had forgotten I uploaded. It was scary for a second. | 06:14 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I think I can exclude something for qmlviewer? | 06:16 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: http://pastie.org/3261480 like this | 06:17 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Yes, Our last product used directfb backend. I don't know the details. but I can make it work definitely. | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:17 |
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| Stskeeps | was just curious how they provided acceleration :) | 06:18 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Now I am building the image... I will discuss with you when I use directfb:) | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:21 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: It will be great if I can run qtmediahub on my board before you trip:) | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think sadly we'll run into that the resulting image is too big | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | but let's see | 06:22 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: haha... Maybe we can find some way:) | 06:23 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: qtmediahub needs qt-mobility?? | 06:23 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I can see it is downloading qt-mobility... | 06:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes, qtmobility provides qt multimedia ability | 06:24 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: It is 125MB now, without hi3716m's drivers(in fact, this drivers just take very little footprint) | 06:27 |
| walle | i am find a ks for 6410, can anyone give me a hand? | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | walle: just start with an armv6 ks | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, so could have been worse | 06:28 |
| walle | where i can get it | 06:28 |
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| Stskeeps | walle: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1/kickstarts/mer-core-armv6l-base.ks | 06:29 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Now I if we can limit the size to 105MB, I think it will be OK, | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, can you give me the list of packages it installed somehow? | 06:29 |
| walle | Stskeeps:tks,got it | 06:30 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3261536 | 06:30 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, in %packages, add: | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | -e2fsprogs | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | remove qt-qmlviewer | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | -kbd | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | -liberation-mono-fonts | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | -liberation-serif-fonts | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | -droid-sans-fonts | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | -droid-sans-mono-fonts | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | -liberation-fonts-common | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | and show me the .ks | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | oh and -usbutils | 06:33 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3261553 | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | we can probably add -zypper to that | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | we don't need that right now, so | 06:35 |
| Sage | vgrade: saw that it is nice | 06:35 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. Now I am building image... | 06:37 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I'm still worried about the gl dependency in the egl package | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yes, that's awkward | 06:38 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=i586&filename=mer-gfx-tests-0.0.1-1.1.i586.rpm&package=mer-gfx-tests&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai586&repository=Mer_Core_i586 <- because of this | 06:39 |
| Sage | it still wants the GL in which is a problem | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm not accepting it until fixed somehow, at least | 06:39 |
| Sage | k | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://pastie.org/3261536 worries me, i wonder what pulls in libqtcontacts | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | qt-mobility is maybe too generic a package | 06:39 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Now it is 109MB:) | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: so close.. | 06:40 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: try rpm -e libqtcontacts1 in chroot | 06:40 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: that sonach's list? and need to get it smaller+ | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yeah, it's qtmediahub dependancies | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | so libqtcontacts makes no sense | 06:41 |
| Sage | live sharing? ;) | 06:41 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: so I can "rpm -e libqtcontacts1" in "%post chroot"? | 06:42 |
| Sage | btw, drop qt-qmlviewer | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: did already | 06:42 |
| Sage | sonach: that will not work | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: show me the packages that was installed this time? | 06:42 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what device it this? | 06:42 |
| Sage | one could drop e.g. sensorfw as well | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: think qtmobility relies on it | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: some hisilicon cortex-a9 stb device | 06:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what brings the qt-mobility package in? | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: very good question | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://pastie.org/3261553 , add -zypper to that? | 06:44 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: wait a minute:) | 06:45 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp... | 06:45 |
| Sage | how small the image needs to be? | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: <105mb | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | compressed | 06:46 |
| sonach | Sage: Now it is 109MB:) | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i just want you to look at why qtmobility gets pulled in, no need to help drive down footprint :) | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | that would be a nemo problem too, for sure | 06:46 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: package list: http://pastie.org/3261590 | 06:47 |
| Sage | Stskeeps:k | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, can you du -s -h usr/share/doc in the file system ? | 06:47 |
| walle | i got this error:ImportError: No module named utils.cmdln while executed a command mic --help.what's wrong | 06:47 |
| Sage | LOL | 06:48 |
| Sage | err... nm | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | walle: ls -l /usr/lib/python*/site-packages/mic* | 06:48 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: 44KB:) | 06:49 |
| Sage | Stskeeps, sonach: why is module-init-tools in there? | 06:49 |
| walle | ls: cannot access /usr/lib/python*/site-packages/mic*: No such file or directory | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ah, so not much to gain there | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: depmod.. | 06:49 |
| walle | i did't got this error in ubuntu10.10 | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: du -s -h usr/share/locale | 06:50 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3261600 | 06:50 |
| Sage | :) | 06:50 |
| Sage | ok, need to fix that it is not required dependency :) | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: urrrgh | 06:51 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: cool, 15MB in it! | 06:51 |
| Sage | qt-mobility is basically meta package, so we need that? | 06:51 |
| Sage | s/so/do/g | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: no, not afaik | 06:52 |
| Sage | k, I'll make a patch for it then | 06:52 |
| Sage | should bring down the footprint a lot | 06:53 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: how to cut usr/share/locale then? | 06:53 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: If I remove usr/share/locale directly, the compressed image is 105MB:) | 06:55 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, but still too big? | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | removing is ok | 06:57 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: no, if i remove locale directory, the size is OK:) | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:57 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I can remove the directory directly in the file system? | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes, just make an empty 'locale' dir | 06:58 |
| sonach | OK, | 06:58 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: so, qt-mobility-devel should depend on all of the packages, what about should all qt-mobility packages depend on -l10n package? | 07:02 |
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| Sage | I'm guessing yes | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes, posssibly | 07:06 |
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| phaeron | reverse patch , enable deprecated .. all to avoid using glib-2.31 | 07:12 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=qt-mobility&oproject=Mer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l&package=qt-mobility&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l&rev=1 | 07:12 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ^ something like that | 07:12 |
| Sage | that should bring e.g. sonach's image 10-20M down at least I guess. | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok, send to review | 07:13 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/355 | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 07:16 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: boot success, but uxlaunch error:http://pastie.org/3261698 | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: can you cat /home/mer/.xsession-errors? | 07:25 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: No such file at all;( | 07:26 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: does /home/mer exist? | 07:26 |
| sonach | yes | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | /var/log/Xorg.0.log then | 07:26 |
| vgrade | qtmediahub may need qtmultimediakit | 07:26 |
| sonach | [root@localhost mer]# ls -al | 07:27 |
| sonach | total 2 | 07:27 |
| sonach | drwx------ 2 mer mer 0 Jan 11 2012 . | 07:27 |
| sonach | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Jan 27 2012 .. | 07:27 |
| sonach | -rw-r--r-- 1 mer mer 18 Jan 11 2012 .bash_logout | 07:27 |
| sonach | -rw-r--r-- 1 mer mer 176 Jan 11 2012 .bash_profile | 07:27 |
| sonach | -rw-r--r-- 1 mer mer 124 Jan 11 2012 .bashrc | 07:27 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: no /var/log/Xorg.0.log at all... | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hmmm | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: is the file system full? | 07:28 |
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| Stskeeps | see 'dmesg' | 07:28 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: dmesg output: http://pastie.org/3261715 | 07:29 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: quite strange, no /dev/fb0, | 07:29 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, get fb0 to be there first | 07:31 |
| sonach | Ok, | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | you can stop uxlaunch looping by 'systemctl stop uxlaunch.service' | 07:31 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: [root@localhost 2.6.35.7_hi3716m]# /sbin/depmod -a | 07:33 |
| sonach | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.35.7_hi3716m/modules.dep.temp for writing: No space left on device | 07:33 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: the "depmod -a" doesn't take effect when just in %post section. | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ah, ok, so we need to strip more :/ | 07:34 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: So I should do "depmod -a" manually first. | 07:34 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: But there are 2MB left out there. 109838336==104.75MB | 07:35 |
| sonach | root@localhost 2.6.35.7_hi3716m]# systemctl stop uxlaunch.service output: Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. | 07:37 |
| beford | I saw wayland package there, you probably dont need that | 07:37 |
| sonach | wayland? | 07:37 |
| beford | in the packate list, just in case you need to remove more things :D | 07:37 |
| beford | package* | 07:38 |
| sonach | beford: I will remove wayland:) | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: 2mb's too low probably | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | can't remove wayland, mesa depends on it | 07:40 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: why meas is used? | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: something needs to provide GLESv2/EGL apis, even if they fail | 07:40 |
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| Stskeeps | this will be easier in future | 07:40 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Why 2MB is too low? | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it has to deal with how NAND devices delete data | 07:41 |
| sonach | only needs to modify modules.dep | 07:41 |
| sonach | OH, i see | 07:41 |
| sonach | So I should strip more:) | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:42 |
| walle | i got this error: http://pastie.org/3261757 while executed mic-create-bootstrap, could not find anything help on internet | 07:42 |
| walle | can anyone give me a hand | 07:42 |
| beford | seems like your mic instalattion is not correct | 07:45 |
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| beford | how did you install it walle | 07:45 |
| walle | i followed http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Image_Creation, but i am using ubuntu11.04 | 07:46 |
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| walle | Stskeeps suggests me ls -l /usr/lib/python*/site-packages/mic* but no site-package directory in any python(i have 2.6, 2.7 and 3.0) | 07:50 |
| walle | which this sit-packages means | 07:50 |
| walle | ..what... | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | i have to go pack my suitcase, go to go | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | got | 07:51 |
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| phaeron | Sage: where to get ca-certificates for arm ? | 07:57 |
| phaeron | it seems to be missing | 07:57 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: see you:) | 07:59 |
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| Sage | phaeron: really? | 08:42 |
| Sage | phaeron: should be in noarch actually | 08:42 |
| phaeron | Sage: smoku was complaining about it https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Asmoku%3ACordia%3AShared | 08:43 |
| Sage | hmmp... | 08:43 |
| Sage | I think that is something missing from project-core Stskeeps ^ | 08:45 |
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| phaeron | Sage: if I export CFLAGS before doing %configure in the spec , will it be picked up ? | 08:45 |
| Sage | no, it is there | 08:45 |
| Sage | phaeron: should be yes. I've used export CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} new_flags" myself | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: something screwed up in last release | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: next release has them synced | 08:49 |
| Sage | k | 08:52 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:19 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 09:20 |
| * lbt checking backlog | 09:23 | |
| lbt | got my USB i/o board working last night - not hard | 09:24 |
| lbt | but too many spurious usb disconnects which reset the digital output and turns all the lights out :( | 09:24 |
| lbt | Sage: re the gl in egl ... what's the issue? | 09:27 |
| Sage | lbt: we should not need gl headers when compiling the egl | 09:28 |
| Sage | egltest | 09:28 |
| Sage | lbt: now your egltest package depends on GL libs which are not available on many of our hardware | 09:29 |
| lbt | OK | 09:29 |
| lbt | so I remove the egltri code | 09:29 |
| lbt | I wasn't aware that GL was a problem | 09:30 |
| lbt | where's the Mer 'GL' page? | 09:30 |
| lbt | :P | 09:30 |
| Sage | it is mesa-libGL | 09:30 |
| lbt | what is? | 09:31 |
| Sage | 11:30.25 < lbt> where's the Mer 'GL' page? | 09:32 |
| Sage | it is inside mesa that is | 09:32 |
| lbt | right, and that's in core? | 09:32 |
| Sage | yes but plan is to remove that | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | or at least discourage | 09:33 |
| lbt | ah... so the bug is that I'm building against an unannounced deprecation :) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | also your testcase won't work, at all, on ARM | 09:33 |
| Sage | lbt: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19 | 09:33 |
| Sage | lbt: you have commented that your self ;) | 09:33 |
| lbt | Sage: OK, my bad | 09:33 |
| Sage | to me it seems that egltri uses only GL when -info cmdline option is used | 09:34 |
| Sage | we should jsut patch that part out and it should be fine. | 09:34 |
| lbt | OK, I can do that | 09:34 |
| lbt | so... I still want a page that tells us the Mer GFX story... | 09:34 |
| lbt | part of this exercise is to tease out the details | 09:34 |
| lbt | this is useful (to me at least) | 09:35 |
| Sage | lbt: and I would say you are doing a great job in that :) | 09:35 |
| lbt | what's a good generic term for "3D" ... I'd use "GL" but that's confusing if we don't support it | 09:35 |
| lbt | thanks :) | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | OpenGL ES 2.0 | 09:35 |
| lbt | wiki page name "OpenGL" | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | Graphics_acceleration | 09:36 |
| lbt | which will discuss what we use and don't use and how it relates to HA | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | as there's both DirectFB and OpenGL .. | 09:36 |
| lbt | better | 09:36 |
| Sage | I would prefer page "GFX" or ^ | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | well | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | in truth | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | Graphics adaptation is what we call it, don't we? | 09:36 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: almost done rebuilding everything with latest cogl/clutter which have runtime gl/egl backend selection | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok | 09:36 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes | 09:37 |
| lbt | I'll link from OpenGL too | 09:37 |
| phaeron | it was a bit more painful because I had to build glib-2.31 which deprecated some stuff | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/AdaptationIF | 09:37 |
| Sage | lbt: link from Adaptation_Guide probably as well? | 09:37 |
| lbt | for sure | 09:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK ... got that | 09:38 |
| lbt | nb ... back up a bit ... testcase won't run under ARM? did it ftb? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | it won't run under arm since opengl doesn't exist nor work there | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | and guess why i want to remove libGL? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:39 |
| lbt | ok, that's fine | 09:40 |
| * lbt looks at phaeron and wonders about GL for his gtk port | 09:40 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 09:40 |
| lbt | mer-egl-tests? | 09:40 |
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| * Stskeeps has to head out to airport | 09:42 | |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 09:42 |
| lbt | o/ safe journey | 09:42 |
| phaeron | lbt: hmm ? | 09:54 |
| lbt | bug 19 is to remove GL support from Mer | 09:55 |
| lbt | which may impact your port | 09:55 |
| phaeron | that means no GL on i586 ? very few drivers provide egl on i586 | 09:55 |
| lbt | I think we need to think this through | 09:56 |
| phaeron | afair this was a BIG issue in meego | 09:56 |
| lbt | maybe raise it at the next RE meeting | 09:58 |
| phaeron | ok | 10:01 |
| phaeron | lbt: and it's not gtk only that is an issue. anyone who wants to build for both i586 and arm and test stuff will find it difficult | 10:02 |
| phaeron | I am lucky because I have a device that has egl | 10:02 |
| phaeron | anyway gtg for now | 10:02 |
| lbt | l8r | 10:02 |
| phaeron | we should try to make an "update-alternative" method | 10:02 |
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| lbt | Sage: egltri uses glPushMatrix and friends which aren't in GLES2 ... so it has to be completely dropped | 10:11 |
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| Sage | lbt: ok | 10:42 |
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| lbt | Sage: if at first :D | 12:33 |
| Sage | lbt: ? :) | 12:37 |
| lbt | http://review.merproject.org/#change,354 | 12:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: when you're back online can you make me mer-core/mer-kernel-checks | 12:37 |
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| walle | hi, all. i used mic-image-creator with -pkgmgr=yum but then received a "Package format 'kgmgr=yum' isn't supported". how to fix that | 12:48 |
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| smoku | --pkgmgr ? | 12:50 |
| smoku | with one dash it is: -p kgmgr=yum | 12:51 |
| walle | yes -p kgmgr=yum | 12:51 |
| walle | typed error | 12:52 |
| walle | smoku: http://pastie.org/3263008 this link is the command i executed and the error i got | 12:57 |
| walle | smoku: could you see anything wrong | 12:57 |
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| Sage | lbt: more comments :) | 13:19 |
| walle | Oooo,it is --pkgmgr,not -p kgmgr | 13:19 |
| Sage | lbt: sry, didn't read the whole thing through at the first time :/ | 13:19 |
| Sage | walle: :) | 13:19 |
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| walle | sage: is there any document shows the detail of the mic-image-creator parameters | 13:21 |
| Sage | walle: not full documentation AFAIK | 13:22 |
| Sage | walle: mic-image-creator --help is quite good though | 13:23 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: why in the **** qt-mobility has build dep on connman and blkid | 13:23 |
| walle | Sage: you're right. i forget the base help | 13:24 |
| walle | and trying to find that on internet | 13:24 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: and bluez | 13:26 |
| veskuh | Sage: qt mobility connectivity ? | 13:27 |
| Sage | veskuh: ah | 13:28 |
| veskuh | Sage: and maybe systeminfo /networkinfo | 13:28 |
| * Sage :headdesk: | 13:28 | |
| Sage | grepped connman from wrong dir and didn't see the dependencies :D | 13:29 |
| Sage | just wondered why grep -nRi connmand didn't return anything :) | 13:29 |
| Sage | yup, valid deps | 13:29 |
| veskuh | :) | 13:29 |
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| Sage | ok, I think the friday is starting to show :) | 13:30 |
| veskuh | Same here, not the most efficient day | 13:30 |
| lbt | Sage: so just to check... | 13:36 |
| lbt | why is the changelog format odd? | 13:36 |
| Sage | lbt: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/attr.git;a=blob;f=attr.changes;h=1763e74c0123cc81b6954a8eb37eed68436a779f;hb=HEAD | 13:36 |
| Sage | that is the one we have been using in Mer | 13:36 |
| lbt | I thought we used osc vv | 13:37 |
| lbt | vc | 13:37 |
| Sage | there is osc plugin that does ^ :) | 13:37 |
| Sage | by default osc does something odd :) | 13:37 |
| Sage | "odd" :) | 13:37 |
| lbt | yeah, the -------- line | 13:37 |
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| lbt | and patches should be git patches even for non-git src? I'm happy with that - and I'm working on making the whole thing git | 13:39 |
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| Sage | Well that is what I would prefer, it has not been demanded so far | 13:40 |
| Sage | I've personally done tarball extract, git init, git add *, git commit -a -m., changes etc. | 13:40 |
| Sage | much easier in future to handle patches if they are in git format IMO | 13:40 |
| w00t | yeah, you just rebase over the newer version and you're done :P | 13:43 |
| lbt | I agree completely - but we should be sharing that git repo | 13:44 |
| lbt | and in fact ... that git repo should be what mer is based on | 13:44 |
| Sage | ok, lets not go to this debate now :) | 13:46 |
| lbt | wasn't - just agreeing with you | 13:46 |
| Sage | ok :) | 13:46 |
| * Sage wraps up for this week. Have a nice weekend everyone. | 13:46 | |
| w00t | \o Sage | 13:47 |
| * w00t looks at the clock | 13:47 | |
| lbt | have a good one | 13:47 |
| w00t | think I'll finish soon, too | 13:47 |
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| lbt | Sage: I felt a bit grumpy about that review and thought about it ... it's because the points you raise in the second review were not new and yet were not mentioned in the initial review. It's not trivial to do a complete resubmission so it's annoying to do it twice when it would have been easy to fix those minor issues first time around. | 13:54 |
| lbt | so this isn't a complaint - just thinking about how best to handle reviews and how people will react to rejections | 13:55 |
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| lbt | we should have some review checklists (although most should be covered by automation - such as the change format) and a guideline for reviews. | 13:56 |
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| lbt | equally you may not have had time for a full review so maybe a note or flag that means "partial review, some obvious points only" | 13:57 |
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| sledges | hello! | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 16:31 |
| sledges | new toys have arrived: Qualcomm Dragonboard APQ8060 | 16:32 |
| sledges | and we need to put "A Linux" on it ;) | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's a cute one | 16:32 |
| sledges | hmmm, "which seat should I take" :) | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | if you get gles working, that'd be cool | 16:32 |
| sledges | it's Friday! | 16:32 |
| sledges | GPU: Adreno 220 .. | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | even framebuffer gless would be good | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | it has to exist, think webos or chromium | 16:34 |
| sledges | Android 2.3 looks quite smooth there, but wonder if anything's sped in HW | 16:34 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: reached destination ? | 17:01 |
| phaeron | welcome | 17:01 |
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| smoku | why is ca-certificates package missing on ARM? | 17:12 |
| vgrade | sledges, let me know how you get on the basyskom boys have one and were asking me about it the other day | 17:12 |
| sledges | vgrade, I thought you were from basyskom ;) (when you shared a link to their great .ks collection) | 17:13 |
| vgrade | sledges, they used my work on the tegra tablet | 17:14 |
| sledges | I see | 17:14 |
| vgrade | I worked on the advent vega and I got them working on their Povi tablet | 17:14 |
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| lbt | Are you OK with mer-core/mer-kernel-checks? I can make it | 17:24 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ^^ | 17:24 |
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| sledges | have a good weekend everbody! | 17:44 |
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| lbt | timoph: when's a good time to brainstorm the platform SDK tasks? | 17:50 |
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| NeeDforKill | hellp | 18:02 |
| NeeDforKill | o* | 18:02 |
| NeeDforKill | who know changelog 0.20120120.1.NEMO.2012-01-26.1/ nokia n900 | 18:03 |
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| timoph | lbt: tomorrow too soon? | 18:12 |
| timoph | or do we want to wait until next week so it won't be on such sort notice | 18:12 |
| lbt | tomorrow is fine | 18:14 |
| timoph | hmmh. what time suits you? | 18:14 |
| lbt | it's just #104 list and agreeing a few points | 18:14 |
| lbt | I'm fi +2h | 18:14 |
| timoph | ack | 18:15 |
| lbt | so >10am local is good | 18:15 |
| lbt | up to .... late | 18:15 |
| timoph | I was thinking somewhere around noon .fi time | 18:15 |
| lbt | good, just remembered I'm out sat night | 18:15 |
| timoph | so that would be 10am utc | 18:15 |
| lbt | WFM | 18:15 |
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| timoph | I'll send an email about it in case someone else is interested | 18:17 |
| lbt | oops, just did that | 18:18 |
| timoph | :D | 18:19 |
| lbt | my bug was to arrange the brainstorm :) | 18:19 |
| timoph | :) | 18:19 |
| timoph | that's done then :) | 18:19 |
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| lbt | yep - stays open until we have all the blocked bugs closed | 18:19 |
| lbt | OK ... shower and tango | 18:20 |
| lbt | o/ | 18:20 |
| timoph | o/ | 18:20 |
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| plate | TouchPad 16GB for $169.99 at Woot.com (update) | 19:20 |
| plate | is that applicable to mer, not sure | 19:20 |
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| phaeron | lbt: I thought it was a powerhost :D | 19:51 |
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| Sage | lbt: understandable. Boss has at least the changelog check already so maybe we could utilize it? | 21:39 |
| Sage | lbt: also we could probably do a new participant that would check that patch is in git format (cc: phaeron) | 21:40 |
| phaeron | please elaborate :) | 21:41 |
| Sage | phaeron: Would be nice if boss would check that all patches mentioned in .spec would be checked that they are in proper git format (i.e., can be applied with git am < my.patch) | 21:42 |
| phaeron | hmm ok | 21:42 |
| phaeron | will log a task | 21:42 |
| phaeron | Sage: isn't that going to make it difficult for some people | 21:43 |
| phaeron | what's the rationale ? | 21:43 |
| Sage | phaeron: we should always think about upstreaming | 21:44 |
| Sage | phaeron: but I agree that it might make it harder, so maybe just a warning by default. But anyway so that reviewer would note it easily | 21:44 |
| phaeron | ok | 21:45 |
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| phaeron | does anyone have glut packaged for mer | 21:56 |
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| phaeron | lbt: ping | 22:09 |
| phaeron | this is proof that I have very little life :D | 22:09 |
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| phaeron | :D | 22:15 |
| phaeron | well it's Saturday night and I am looking for a package called glut and testing egl stuff | 22:16 |
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| phaeron | no debug symbols packages for X11 ? | 22:17 |
| Sage | phaeron: there is you just need to enable the debug repository | 22:18 |
| Sage | it is disabled by default see /etc/zypp/repos.d/ | 22:18 |
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| phaeron | hmm nothing there | 22:20 |
| phaeron | I can see the debug folder in the repo | 22:21 |
| phaeron | ok added it | 22:22 |
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| beford | its still friday here | 22:45 |
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| stooj | My new N900 arrived today and I'd love to upgrade from Maemo 5! Can someone suggest what I should put on it that will be new and exiting while still keeping it as a usable phone? | 23:00 |
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| _av500_ | win phone7? | 23:13 |
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| brooklyn | stooj: debian or http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing | 23:16 |
| brooklyn | debian wil be a lot more fraught with pain than mer, having just installed nemo fairly effortlessly | 23:17 |
| brooklyn | ive got to find that gtk3+hildon customization now | 23:17 |
| brooklyn | QT not really my fave ;) | 23:18 |
| stooj | I'm certainly leaning towards Mer, if only because of philosophical reasons | 23:24 |
| stooj | I find it difficult to keep up with the ecosystem and the multiple name/direction changes | 23:25 |
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| stooj | But stock debian works? That's kinda cool. | 23:26 |
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| brooklyn | no, it doesnt beacuse you need all sorts of tweaks | 23:41 |
| brooklyn | which are in mer base, already ,or something | 23:41 |
| brooklyn | debian is if you want to mess around seeing whats broken, and possibly eventualy contribute fixes upstream, more than a usable OS :) | 23:41 |
| brooklyn | i mean, on n900 | 23:42 |
| brooklyn | i mean nemo is dd a 200mb .tbz2 to a SD card and it boots up to the GUI. | 23:42 |
| brooklyn | debian is like.. "shit, this X module form this old kernel i'm using beacuse 3.2 doesnt boot , doesnt like the Xorg in sid" | 23:42 |
| brooklyn | not trying to scare you ,but you should proably be versed in diagnosing "issues" | 23:43 |
| brooklyn | ive tried about 3-4 times, and only on PR1.2 and pancake's tarbal did i scceed in getting debian to a GUI, e17, and it was.. missing a lot of functionality. cool that it worked tho | 23:46 |
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