Tuesday, 2012-01-24

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lbthmm ... it seems it has evbug enabled...00:09
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vgradelbt, are the license files included in the built packages?00:22
lbtI think so00:22
lbtyeah, in the -xorg package00:23
lbtwhich is the main one needed00:23
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lbt'night all00:33
phaeronnight00:35
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Sagelbt: yes, Xorg driver should depend on the proper Xorg (-setuid)05:23
SageWe haven't defined that anywhere atm. I guess.05:23
Sagelbt: + /usr/bin/mer_verify_kernel_spec 1 --fatal-if-old <- Why 1 and --fatal-if-old?05:25
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Sageoh, crap. I have looked wrong our connman version05:32
* Sage thinks if he really is blind 05:34
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Stskeepsmorn05:36
StskeepsSage: you're early up :P05:36
SageStskeeps: I am? :)05:37
* dm8tbr yawns05:37
* Sage looks clock05:37
dm8tbrmoaning gents05:37
Sagemorning ddm05:37
Sagedm8tbr:05:37
* Sage ponders why he has though that Mer has connman 0.78 05:39
Stskeepswhat do we have?05:40
Stskeeps:P05:40
Sage0.77.305:40
SageDoing update for 0.78.2 atm so we can test if that helps to our problems05:41
Stskeeps:nod:05:41
Sagehttp://pastie.org/3241665 <- should we have any of these in our connman build?05:53
Stskeepshttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/connman.git;a=blob;f=connman.spec;h=2bd2e9c18c0a6e71714f16f3a19df33bbbacd4bd;hb=HEAD#l7105:54
Sagepolkit, pptp, client?05:54
Stskeepsclient might be useful05:55
Stskeepspptp too05:55
Stskeepspolkit...05:55
Stskeepsnot sure :)05:55
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SageEnable support for PolicyKit authorization: This allows to check every D-Bus access against a security policy and so restrict access to certain functionality.06:09
Stskeepsmm06:11
Sagecould increase security a bit I guess.06:16
Stskeepsyes, pehaps06:16
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Stskeepshow was it you did exclusivearch in spectacle again?06:17
Sagejust need to verify that it doesn't block by default too much06:17
SageExclusiveArch: arch :)06:17
Stskeepsix86 works there?06:17
Stskeepsor %{ix86}06:17
Sagewell that depens on our rpm macros, I think it is %{ix86}06:18
Stskeepsok06:19
* Sage ponders what package contains pppd/ppd.h06:20
Stskeepsppp?06:21
Sagenot in mer?06:22
Sageor what sourcepackage06:22
Stskeepsi don't actually think we have ppp, hmm06:23
Sagewell06:23
SageConman seems to find pppd so I would guess we have headers somewhere as well: checking for pppd... /usr/sbin/pppd06:27
Stskeepsok06:28
Sagewe don't have ppp packages it seems where does it find the pppd then06:32
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Sageeh... error: file /usr/sbin/pppd: No such file or directory06:37
Sagebut still it seems to find it during configure :P06:37
Stskeepsthat sounds like a bug06:38
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Stskeepscat config.log ?06:38
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Sagenah, it seems to be default value it falls back to06:40
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Stskeepsgood morning jstaniek_QFridge07:33
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jstaniek_QFridgegood morning Stskeeps07:37
jstaniek_QFridgejust noticed with surprise, this SDK has proprietary license - https://developer.tizen.org/download/samsung_sdk_license.html07:38
Stskeepsjstaniek_QFridge: not all source inside it is public, so yeah07:39
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lbtmorning all09:04
iekkumorning09:04
Stskeepsmorn lbt, iekku09:05
Stskeepshttp://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/arm_bof09:06
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lbtSage ... the "1" is just an incrementing template count09:07
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mdfe_good morning09:07
lbtthe --fatal-if-old is to encourage people to remove that and leave it as a warning09:07
lbtrather than just remove the check :)09:08
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Stskeepslbt: btw, @merproject.org mail fwds, we should sort that out before FOSDEM09:44
Stskeepselse my business cards are a bit bad :)09:44
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lbtStskeeps: OK - will do10:12
lbthttp://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/lbt:/Mer:/Joggler:/HA/Mer_Core_i586/i586/  and https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3AJoggler%3AHA10:13
Stskeepsit works now?10:16
lbtyes10:16
Stskeepscool10:17
lbtI think the xorg issue was a red herring10:17
lbtI suspect that some i2c module wasn't properly loaded10:17
lbtI think I missed depmod and then when I rebooted it just worked10:17
lbtso now I want to get the config checker into core10:18
Stskeeps:nod:10:18
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lbtThanks for all the last minute T-shirt orders ... just adding up now...11:35
matrixxlbt: hey, what t-shirt?11:37
lbt:)11:37
matrixxMer?11:37
lbtyes11:38
matrixxany ladyfits coming?11:38
lbthttp://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00126.html11:38
lbthttp://www.vistaprint.co.uk/vp/ns/livepreview.aspx?doc_id=1423520544&shopper_id=S0I0E7L1555V7ZNFGDN43FS76E67PNDT&width=40011:39
lbtthe ladies are only available in white though :(11:39
matrixxoh :/11:40
lbtlooking at them the only difference appears to be length11:40
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matrixxmaybe men S is fine too11:40
matrixxI definitely prefer black over white11:40
lbtOK, drop Denise an email and she'll add one for you11:41
lbtcoming to FOSDEM ?11:41
matrixxyeah11:41
lbtgreat - I'll have a big bag by the sound of it :)11:41
matrixx:)11:42
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matrixxoh right, ordered :)11:46
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lbt80% of orders after cut-off time :)11:47
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keistom=)11:49
matrixxheh11:49
vgradelbt, how many shirts ordered?11:50
lbt~15 I think11:50
phaeronlbt: don't forget mine !11:53
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lbt1612:00
StskeepsMer release management meeting in #mer-meeting now12:00
andre__ah true...12:00
andre__lbt: size L would be great12:00
lbtmail Denise :)12:01
andre__ok12:01
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phaeronlbt: I just saw IO errors in a worker build log I was watching12:31
lbtok ... will look post-meeting12:31
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lbtyeah ... what are these groups for ? http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.0.2/builds/i586/packages/repodata/048a6e51b8de3c2f168c27333249cf85b491d9ab8bc86e6e3d0d01f3cf6b1240-group.xml13:05
Stskeepsmic?13:06
Stskeepszypper?13:06
Stskeeps:P13:06
* lbt is not quite that bad :)13:06
Stskeepsthen i fail to understand the question13:06
lbtunder what circumstances would I include each of them in an image :P13:06
Stskeeps:P13:06
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Stskeepslook at it in connection with http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/mer-kickstarter-configs.git;a=blob;f=00base.yaml;h=0b692bb1df35db9ffa7f1ebd4e8c93fec135691f;hb=HEAD13:07
lbteg does Mer Minimal Xorg provide an Xorg.... not afaict13:07
Stskeepsthat is a better question13:08
lbtso for each of them I'd like to understand the objective13:09
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lbtI mean tools is obvious (but should be explicit)13:09
lbtthis allows bugs to be registered when the objective fails13:09
lbteg I made an image with Mer Minimal Xorg and didn't get /usr/bin/Xorg :)13:10
lbtnow I guess that's not a bug against groups - more against my driver for not depending on x11-xorg-server-Xorg13:11
Stskeepsyes, in truth, it should enable a xorg server13:11
lbtalso, can that XML include a link to the src for itself?13:12
lbtor a wiki page13:12
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mdfe_Stskeeps: hi, I like to move the mer next build targets from Project:KDE:Devel to Project:KDE:Trunk:Testing. What do you think about?13:39
Stskeepsmdfe_: ok, i guess?13:39
mdfe_ok, thanks - this will save much build power and the testing based images are more comparable.13:40
Stskeeps:nod:13:40
mdfe_what do you thing about a similar html link mechanism for e.g. "latest-mer-next" rpm repositories?13:43
mdfe_I like to build images with PA and next mer to be able to give short feedback13:45
Stskeepsyes, if it's not there already file a bug13:46
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Stskeepshttp://www.ikeahackers.net/2012/01/not-expensive-glass-whiteboard.html14:10
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w00thaha14:12
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lbtw00t: did you email Denise?16:41
vgradeStskeeps, http://ns354123.ovh.net/~asturix/on/16:54
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Stskeepsvgrade: interesting, but uses a lot of gnome stack?17:00
vgradejust having a look at the git17:02
Stskeepsmay just be a shell though17:03
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vgradeyea, gtk_init17:04
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ScriptRipperpong lbt17:23
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vgradeStskeeps, I'm going to be doing a new ks file tonight, whats the status on the new yaml method?18:22
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lbtvgrade: did you make a joggler image?18:25
Stskeepsvgrade: take one of the ones from http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1/kickstarts/ as a base, but remove -kbd18:26
vgradeno but I'm tempted to blow the dust off18:26
lbtvgrade: it's rather nice... runs cool too18:27
* Stskeeps is looking at test cases that are already made for potential mer usage18:27
* lbt wants a touchable qmlviewer with a Mer logo18:28
vgradeStskeeps, ok18:28
Stskeepstouching isn't working yet?18:28
Stskeepslbt: there's always merux18:28
lbtyes, but you can't tell18:28
lbtmerux ?18:28
Stskeepssearch on build.pub for it18:28
Stskeepsit's matrixx's mer qml thing with shaders for ripples when you touch the screen18:29
lbtthat's what I thought qmlviewer was18:29
* lbt thinks that should be in core18:30
Stskeepsyes, that was the original idea18:30
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lbtcool, so she has the same problem as me - how to contribute a new pkg18:31
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Stskeepsyeah, that part kinda sucks atm18:33
Stskeepsi've found test cases covering quite a fair bit of glibc, zlib, glib, etc18:35
vakkovStskepps: mer now works on nook color ?18:40
Stskeepsvakkov: it certainly works better than the day before yesterday18:40
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timophStskeeps: have you looked if there's anything usefull in https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-quality-assurance/mcts18:41
Stskeepstimoph: yes18:41
Stskeepstimoph: i think we can reuse some of it at least18:41
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timophiirc there's some unresolved bugs18:42
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timophso might make sense to fork those18:42
Stskeepswhat we really need is finding people who is passionate to work on QA18:42
* timoph is tempted to raise his hand18:43
Stskeepsyou're on platform sdk atm ;)18:43
timophyep18:43
Stskeepsthough if you can lure people to do the work for you .. ;)18:43
timophI prefer to do the sdk stuff for now18:43
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Stskeeps:nod:18:43
timophhelps to do something else for a hobby than what I do for work18:44
Stskeepsthe big problem about mer is that QA for it is not very sexy18:44
timophQA never is18:44
Stskeepswell, something that you rarely see, too18:45
timophbut I think people in general see testing as just about running tests, etc.18:45
Stskeeps:nod:18:45
timophbtw, did you try to compile the cross tools with statically linked mpfr?18:49
Stskeepsno, not yet, getting the sb2 enabled core up and running first18:50
Stskeepsit comes with nice things like scratchbox2 in mer core as well18:50
Stskeepsand cross compilers out of box18:50
timophcool18:50
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timophhmmh. So that means that we need to chroot into the rootfs18:51
Stskeepsyes, that's the idea of platform sdk18:51
Stskeepsas all the tools are available18:52
Stskeepsperhaps /home mount --bind'ed into it18:52
timophah. ok. that's where I was a bit confused since I was going for separate sb2, toolchain & rootfs18:53
Stskeeps:nod:18:53
Stskeepswe can do that too eventually but to get a working platform sdk going, this is fastest18:53
timophyeah18:53
Stskeepsthere's just a lot of pitfalls with that18:53
timophso what we basically need in addition to the rootfs is a script that does the mounting, etc.18:54
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Stskeepsyeah18:54
Stskeepsperhaps adds user to /etc/passwd matching user's id18:55
Stskeeps(in the rootfs)18:55
timophyep18:55
timophI think I need to update the wiki page18:56
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* Stskeeps ponders where he could put some generic test rigs19:05
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Stskeepslbt: we should probably test if mer works ok with nfs boot19:09
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timophhmmh. actually I think the sb2 within mer works better than an external one. This way we don't need to care what version of it and other tools eatch distro packages19:11
Stskeeps:nod:19:12
timophI think I'm beginning to get the idea :)19:13
timophfinally19:13
Stskeepsyay :)19:14
phaeronStskeeps: can I suggest 9p based fs export19:14
timophalthough building cross toolchains is still black magic to me :)19:14
Stskeepstimoph: it's still black magic for me too19:14
vgradevgrade wonders if he can host some tests, http://yfrog.com/hse61dxj19:15
Stskeepsphaeron: i was thinking iSCSI19:15
Stskeepsvgrade: yeah, i have a similar shelf..19:15
vgrademight need a bit of a clean up19:15
timophStskeeps: got any good reference reading linked on the subject?19:15
phaeronStskeeps: either is better than nfs19:16
Stskeepstimoph: if you're bored and want to learn about cross compiling an entire system, http://trac.cross-lfs.org/ book is quite good19:16
* timoph bookmarks19:16
Stskeepseither way, i think one of the first things we can probably do, is to run rpm's test cases on actual hardware19:20
Stskeepswith sb2-obs this becomes easier19:20
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Stskeepsevening nsuffys, how's the wetab?19:36
nsuffysevening Stskeeps ;)19:39
nsuffysIt's great but not many applications, but I'll try to flash Nemo on (excuse me for my bad english ;) )19:39
Stskeepshehe19:39
Stskeepsjust boot it from usb first :)19:39
nsuffysyes, jukkaeklund advised me19:40
nsuffysI will try this week-end19:41
Stskeeps:)19:41
nsuffysjust need to copy / past the  i586 *img to usb stick ? working like a live usb ? (Newbie inside ^^ )19:43
Stskeepsyes19:43
Stskeepsand don't be confused by it saying "boot tizen"19:43
Stskeeps..19:43
Stskeeps:)19:44
timophhuh?19:44
Stskeepstimoph: sideeffect of 'mic'19:44
timophah :)19:44
harbaum"copy to usb stick" means copy to the raw device. Not just storing the image as a file ...19:44
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Stskeepsyes19:44
nsuffys^^'19:44
nsuffysLike on my N900 sorry ;)19:45
Stskeepsyes ;)19:45
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nsuffysStskeeps: just this : dd bs=4096 if=<image file> of=<usb drive> ?19:49
Stskeepsayes19:50
Stskeepsyes19:50
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lbtStskeeps: I have some diskless clients here ... easy to test20:07
lbtswerden: pin20:09
lbtg20:09
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lbtStskeeps: Problem: nothing provides libQtFeedback.so.1 needed by merux-0.0.1-23.3.i58620:12
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lbtah, nm... I assumed the image repos would be in zypper lr .... which is a daft assumption20:13
Stskeepsif you d't have --save, then it's not there, no20:13
lbtand I know I've asked you before ... where is the master for the groups.xml and how does it get into a repo?20:14
Stskeepsin project-core/20:15
Stskeepsand createrelease.sh adds it when createrepo -g20:15
Stskeepsthere's an additional type called a pattern20:15
Stskeepswhich there's a bug about20:15
lbtah, OK I don't think I did know that then20:16
lbthmm20:16
Stskeepsand yes, this is yal too20:18
Stskeepsyaml20:18
Stskeeps:P20:18
vgradecxl000, are you going for the patch record with https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=kernel-adaptation-trimslice.spec&package=kernel-adaptation-trimslice&project=home%3Acxl000%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3ATrimslice&srcmd5=219f09aea9238825d14e68377b07209f20:18
lbtholy crap20:19
lbtgit2tarball working ok then...20:19
lbtI'm guessing I should do the 'auto-replace Patches:' mechanism ... it was "nah, it's just a few lines of cut'n'paste"20:20
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* Stskeeps glances at his busybox package20:32
timophStskeeps: I seem to have misplaced the sdk rootfs. what was the url for it?20:35
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-i586-sdk-test.tar.gz20:36
cxl000vgrade I'm going to delete that a go back to the tarball method. As you can see the trimlice git does not have a good branch from mainline stable20:36
timophthanks20:36
lbtcxl000: it doesn't have to be mainline20:37
cxl000but I thought I would give lbt's adaptation process a try20:37
lbtjust some sane place you can branch from and manage any commits you may make20:37
Stskeepsalso, congrats on beating medfield kernel patch amount20:37
Stskeeps:P20:37
lbtcxl000: the objective is to permit git-based change control20:38
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lbtso would you mind trying with an alternative (closer) baseline20:38
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cxl000I wont use git2tarball as that was the closest v tag20:39
cxl000I'll just use a trimslice version tag20:40
lbthave you seen how complex that shellscript is... :)20:40
cxl000I so complex I could do what needs doing in this case with 1 command ;-)20:41
lbthttp://xkcd.com/927/20:42
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lbtStskeeps: what's the packages.xml in project-core?20:49
Stskeepslbt: look into it..?20:50
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lbtso is project.core more a snapshot to recreate state than a place to version control config?20:50
Stskeepsproject-core is the description of the core20:51
Stskeepsit's what fakeobs bases on20:51
lbtmmm so scripts/ doesn't really belong in there20:51
Stskeepsit does, as there is some management needed to maintain the .xml's20:52
lbtmaybe a snapshot of an externally managed scripts/ dir ?20:52
* Stskeeps is a little too tired to discuss this atm, sorry20:53
lbtthe point is commits to project.core should be pretty strictly per release20:53
lbtsure20:53
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timophthe cross compilers & co. live in some repo? Thinking I'll just install them inside the chroot20:56
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.1/builds/armv7hl/packages/i586/20:57
Stskeepsgcc and binutils20:57
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lbtStskeeps: I suggest another group : Mer-Qt21:12
lbtor Mer Qt Full21:12
lbtwhich has all the Qt libraries pulled in21:12
timophhmmh. something's missing21:12
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timopharmv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory21:12
Stskeepstimoph: install binutils?21:14
Stskeepsthe binutils package21:14
timophI did21:14
Stskeepscross-armv7hl-binutils one?21:14
timophI'll double check21:15
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timophyep. already installed21:15
Stskeepshmm21:15
Stskeepsdo you call it like /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc ?21:15
timophyep21:15
Stskeepsinteresting21:16
Stskeepslet's look at it tomorrow21:16
timophyeah21:16
timophgetting a bit late21:16
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Stskeepsminor experiment: coreutils, util-linux replaced with busybox, .ks build goes through, 38mb compressed 'base' image21:40
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Stskeepsbbl sleep21:40
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