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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:11 |
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| _av500_ | jo | 06:17 |
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| dm8tbr | mooo | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | moo dm8tbr | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: could you restart merbot or forcibly end the meeting? | 06:53 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 06:54 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I think those meeting notes wont be available or will be damaged | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | that's ok | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | you can btw log in on the bot in /msg | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | and force a meeting to end | 06:55 |
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| dm8tbr | ah, there was an 'OR' | 06:55 |
| dm8tbr | sorry, woke up 10min ago | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#supybot-admin-commands | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's okay, i have a killer headache this morning too so i'm not very lucid | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:55 |
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| dm8tbr | was already wondering why you want me to do such a brutal 'reboot' :) | 06:56 |
| vgrade | morning | 07:08 |
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| vgrade | anyone seen this mic error before?, http://fpaste.org/b8VJ/ | 07:29 |
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| vgrade | F15 host, git mic, bootstrap created | 07:29 |
| berndhs | F14s had a real interesting special purpose memory for radar tracking | 07:30 |
| berndhs | and some strange cross-bar comm thingy to get it to correlate tracks | 07:31 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: remake your bootstrap | 07:40 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, its for someone on #active | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, remake his bootstrap | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:49 |
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| vgrade | he made it yesterday | 07:50 |
| vgrade | if he adds libpcre to his bootstrap mic runs | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 07:50 |
| vgrade | yea | 07:50 |
| vgrade | I'll get him to rebuild the bootstrap again anyway, thanks | 07:56 |
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| vgrade | sage, Failed to build transaction: xorg-x11-server-Xorg conflicts with xorg-x11-server-Xorg-setuid. Which one is required for N950 | 08:11 |
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| Sage | vgrade: -setuid | 08:11 |
| vgrade | thanks | 08:12 |
| Sage | vgrade: the sgx driver should bring that automatically in btw. | 08:12 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: didn't manage to try the sb2 stuff yesterday since I fell asleep ~6 in the evening (lesson: don't watch black adder if you're tired) | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | i was pretty out of it too, still a bit sick | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | the good thing about having a fever: my mind is more concentrated, so i just cut a rpmlint run on ARM from 26x to 6x native X86 time :> | 08:16 |
| timoph | :) | 08:16 |
| vgrade | Sage, this is a build someone on #active is doing. N950 nemo plus Plasma Active. Looks like both packages are being pulled by mic | 08:16 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: ! | 08:17 |
| vgrade | Sage, http://fpaste.org/YV1i/ , --excludepkgs on the non-setuid worked | 08:19 |
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| Sage | vgrade: mesa-libEGL ?!? | 08:20 |
| Sage | vgrade: also remove xorg-x11-drv-evdev, xorg-x11-drv-fbdev and xorg-x11-xauth | 08:21 |
| Sage | vgrade: and mesa-dri-swrast-driver | 08:21 |
| vgrade | Sage, thanks missed that | 08:21 |
| Sage | those 5 away at least | 08:22 |
| vgrade | no sorry old kickstart | 08:22 |
| vgrade | but probably still have xauth | 08:22 |
| vgrade | thanks | 08:23 |
| Sage | well that is just extra shouldn't cause that problem though | 08:25 |
| vgrade | ok i'll get the guy to remove the xauth and try again without the --excludepkgs | 08:28 |
| Sage | vgrade: any change you could get the new .ks file. Hard to help without that :/ | 08:29 |
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| vgrade | Sage, will do when the guy is back online, thanks. I noted also http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2011-11-10.log.html#t2011-11-10T15:24:48 | 08:31 |
| Sage | vgrade: yes, but that is already fixed long time ago | 08:32 |
| vgrade | Sage, ok | 08:32 |
| Sage | vgrade: if you need excludepkgs then something is really wrong somewhere | 08:32 |
| Sage | and I would appraciate the info as it might be somethign wrong in Mer core and I would like to get it fixed. | 08:33 |
| vgrade | sure, will ping you when the guy comes back | 08:33 |
| Sage | thx | 08:34 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: could we add latest-prerelease link to http://releases.merproject.org/releases/ ? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 08:40 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: the only thing with that would be that it should point to latest when that is newer than pre-release | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:40 |
| Sage | would just ease the testing image builds | 08:40 |
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| phaeron | morning | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 08:55 |
| lbt | morning all | 08:55 |
| phaeron | lbt: I created lots of toplevel dod | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i think i can report by now i don't see any ill effect of transparent prjlinks | 08:56 |
| lbt | phaeron: ta | 08:56 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: cool :) so maybe make it the default thing ? | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i would certainly motivate you to try an upstream it for fame and fortune | 08:56 |
| phaeron | lbt: added a message about it on homepage | 08:56 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: :) | 08:56 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: did you see today's email about cross compilation on opensuse ml ? | 08:57 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | i responded | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | my own bloody fault for not talking about it | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | their idea isn't half bad but it's stupid to do two seperate solutions when we can do it with one :P | 08:58 |
| phaeron | not too late , it's still an RFC, no code | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | yea | 08:59 |
| phaeron | hmm didn't get your answer yet | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2012-01/msg00064.html | 08:59 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: first oddness with new prerelease: http://pastie.org/3212377 (armv7l) | 09:20 |
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| Sage | that happens on post scripts in mic | 09:21 |
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| Sage | grr... got my N900 totally messed with systemd and udev hacking :) | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | better your system than a end user | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:39 |
| Sage | I'm having bad feeling about that 2.7.x python update | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | i need to review it with working logs | 09:40 |
| Sage | mainly because I have seen so many hardcoded python 2.6 lines | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's good to get weeded out though | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:40 |
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| lbt | Sage: grep -r | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:44 |
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| lbt | morning (again) :D | 09:45 |
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| * lbt thinks nook may be a good ARM kernel and sample HA | 09:47 | |
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| Stskeeps | oh true, you have a nook too | 09:48 |
| lbt | arm kernel is fine-ish ... just %files skip firmware - which only exists due to strange module selection | 09:48 |
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| lbt | yaml needs BR for uboot adding too | 09:49 |
| lbt | and I found a limitation of the mis-placed lua macro due to interpretation order | 09:49 |
| lbt | minor though | 09:49 |
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| slaine | nice | 09:54 |
| slaine | was thinking of picking up a nook too | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | nook color, not tablet :) | 09:59 |
| slaine | nod | 10:01 |
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| slaine | though the tablet would be nice once it's opened up | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: http://suihkulokki.blogspot.com/2012/01/cubox.html | 10:14 |
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| mdfe_ | good morning | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_ | 10:22 |
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| Sage | lbt: grep -r ? | 10:23 |
| lbt | python2.6 | 10:23 |
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| Sage | lbt: ah, yes | 10:25 |
| lbt | maybe just log this as a blocking bug/task - find dependencies on py2.6 | 10:25 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: Did you every detect a problem with mic-image-creater by creating raw mmc images? I have the effect by building raw images the remote rpm repositories are not stored inside the image. | 10:25 |
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| mdfe_ | s/every/ever/ | 10:26 |
| phaeron | mdfe_: maybe it is a missing --save-repo option to the repo line in the ks | 10:26 |
| mdfe_ | hmm, good hint | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have to postpone qtwebkit 2.2.1 to next mer release, 2.2.1's acting up | 10:27 |
| Sage | mdfe_: you are missing --save repo option | 10:27 |
| mdfe_ | thx | 10:28 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 10:28 |
| phaeron | http://wiki.meego.com/Distribution/Create_image_based_on_new_RPM#Modify_ks_file_to_add_the_repo | 10:28 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I guess x-loader and/or u-boot needs fix with the new toolchain as well? | 10:28 |
| phaeron | looks like it is just --save | 10:28 |
| phaeron | ? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: possibly, yeah | 10:28 |
| Sage | tested panda first time on new toolchain and it fails | 10:28 |
| Sage | kernel has the patch | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | it just needs a proper CFLAG | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | S | 10:30 |
| lbt | phaeron: could you cast your eye over http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step | 10:30 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: that same option to CFLAGS than kernel had? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:31 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3212650 ? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | aye | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | you probably want " "'s | 10:34 |
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| Sage | true | 10:35 |
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| phaeron | lbt: ok , will do | 10:38 |
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| lbt | ta | 10:39 |
| slaine | lbt, nicely done | 10:48 |
| lbt | ty | 10:48 |
| slaine | one question, is the "Make an Image" section url correct ? Referring to meego.com servers, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, we don't yet have bootstrap tools set on mer | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's in our backlog | 10:50 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104 | 10:50 |
| slaine | grand, I thought that was the case, but just wanted to double check | 10:50 |
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| slaine | I don't know about phaeron, but that was exactly the kind of getting started checklist I was looking for. | 10:51 |
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| phaeron | lbt: I thought we should use the new "mic" | 10:56 |
| lbt | we will | 10:57 |
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| phaeron | otherwise , did a minor edit for the formatting at the bottom | 10:57 |
| lbt | ty :) | 10:57 |
| phaeron | very cool. I have some device I'd like to try on actually :) | 10:58 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp... uxlaunch should probably depend on xorg-x11-server-Xorg | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | practically yes | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | theoretically.. | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:02 |
| Sage | [ 313.170532] uxlaunch[3104]: No X server found! | 11:02 |
| Sage | it fails without :) | 11:03 |
| lbt | is mic3 called mic? | 11:05 |
| Sage | there is no mic3 | 11:05 |
| Sage | there is just old mic2 and new mic | 11:06 |
| lbt | what about super-new mic | 11:06 |
| lbt | or super-old mic | 11:06 |
| Sage | :P | 11:06 |
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| lbt | and tizen is using "meego image creator" ... | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok, so practicaly.. | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:07 |
| Sage | [ 627.233123] omapdrm omapdrm.0: failed to allocate vram | 11:07 |
| Sage | hmmp | 11:08 |
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| Sage | panda | 11:08 |
| Sage | with cmdline: console=ttyO2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait rootflags=barrier=1 earlyprintk vram=32M | 11:09 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: copying first new core image to n900 atm. lets see how it boots | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:10 |
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| vgrade | Sage, http://fpaste.org/uqw2/ is the latest ks, still has xauth and evdev | 11:14 |
| Sage | vgrade: remove --excludepkgs=xorg-x11-server-Xorg | 11:16 |
| Sage | vgrade: as well as those two xorg packaes | 11:16 |
| Sage | vgrade: and add --save on the plasma repos | 11:16 |
| vgrade | Sage, ok will pass that on | 11:21 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp. N900 image doesn't seem to boot to UX with new core | 11:22 |
| Sage | can see the systemui infos though so only home is down I guess | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: uh-uh | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: and you used our repos built against new core i presume? | 11:25 |
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| Sage | yes, although some of my images went bad on creation time so need to redo and recheck all | 11:27 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | so it might just be a fluke | 11:28 |
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| Sage | yes | 11:29 |
| Sage | my pandaimage went totally bad it didn't include x-loader at all | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | out of space? | 11:29 |
| Sage | and n900 image seems a bit odd as well so lets see | 11:29 |
| Sage | no | 11:29 |
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| Sage | also xorg was missing from my panda image test | 11:30 |
| Sage | mcompositor crashes | 11:32 |
| Sage | WARNING: void MIMPluginManagerPrivate::_q_onScreenSubViewChanged() Cannot switch to "nemo-keyboard.qml" "" because it is not enabled | 11:32 |
| * Sage moves to mer | 11:32 | |
| Sage | err... nemomobile | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | i guess a reference with old core would be good too | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | so we can see whats' core and what's nemo | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | we still have a non-booting new core image, or? | 12:03 |
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| Sage | ? | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, if you still have problems | 12:04 |
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| Sage | my panda image didn't get Xorg up but that is probably because adaptation. N900 gets Xorg up but it crashes it seems. | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:05 |
| Sage | so yes | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | comparison with old core needed then | 12:05 |
| Sage | my mic changed as well so that might cause issues as well | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 12:06 |
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| bergie | Stskeeps: hi | 12:12 |
| bergie | is http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/track/open_mobile_linux_devroom final? | 12:12 |
| lbt | hey bergie | 12:13 |
| lbt | can we add more to the summary text? | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: there's technically space for two more, AFAIK | 12:13 |
| bergie | lbt: yeah, Stskeeps has the editing account | 12:14 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: ok, so if some last-minute talks come up | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: right | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | technically three if i count 11.00-11.30 too | 12:14 |
| lbt | is it only talks? | 12:14 |
| lbt | or would a round-table work? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | if you mean the kind where we eat steak at, maybe | 12:14 |
| lbt | *g* | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | we can do other forms but i don't know if it will work in a 74 people room | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: i think the lineup is pretty nice, looking around at other devrooms | 12:15 |
| lbt | yeah... OK | 12:15 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: agreed. Would've been nice to have something on webOS, GNOME Mobile, Android | 12:16 |
| bergie | but this is not a bad start :-= | 12:16 |
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| bergie | :-) even | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | even embedded devroom seems suspiciously devoid of android talks | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | well | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | one or two | 12:17 |
| bergie | "License issues in Android" ;-) | 12:17 |
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| vgrade | Sage, still have Xorg conflicts with http://fpaste.org/9WnZ/ . No rush, looks like you have your plate full atm | 12:19 |
| Sage | vgrade: the excludepkgs is still there | 12:20 |
| Sage | vgrade: after removing that please share the error log while doing build | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | bbl ~hour | 12:21 |
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| vgrade | Sage, http://fpaste.org/HvyZ/ | 12:34 |
| Sage | vgrade: have any plasma active x86 image around? | 12:35 |
| Sage | what does "rpm -e xorg-x11-server-Xorg" show? | 12:35 |
| vgrade | Sage, not with me. Will look later | 12:36 |
| Sage | it seems that something depends on xorg-x11-server-Xorg | 12:37 |
| Sage | vgrade: also you might want to try out the mic instead of mic2 from https://github.com/jfding/mic | 12:37 |
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| vgrade | Sage, http://pastebin.com/WSxUutg4 | 12:49 |
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| Sage | vgrade: ok well not that then | 12:50 |
| Sage | vgrade: well, try commenting out most of the stuff in %packages section and see what package brings the conflict | 12:52 |
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| lbt | sonach: ping | 13:11 |
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| sonach | lbt: pong | 13:25 |
| sonach | lbt: I have a question to ask, | 13:25 |
| lbt | sure ... fire away | 13:26 |
| lbt | btw, I was going to mention http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step ... for you to take a look at | 13:26 |
| sonach | I generated bootstrap using: sudo mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k rpms -r http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ -o /home/zhanghui/Mer/buildrootfs/cache/mer-bootstrap | 13:26 |
| sonach | The bootstrap was generated successfully. | 13:27 |
| sonach | When I build my image: sudo mic-image-creator --config=mer-core-armv7l-base.ks --format=fs --bootstrap=/home/zhanghui/Mer/buildrootfs/cache/mer-bootstrap --cache=rpms --outdir=/home/zhanghui/Mer/mer-base-rootfs --arch=armv7l | 13:27 |
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| sonach | I met erros: Error: failed to create image : Failed to find group 'Mer Base' : Unable to find pattern: Mer Base | 13:28 |
| sonach | Can you give me some suggestions? | 13:28 |
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| lbt | can you paste your mer-core-armv7l-base.ks to pastebin | 13:29 |
| sonach | how to paste it to pastebin? | 13:29 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/ | 13:29 |
| lbt | cut'n'paste in there and it's visible (but fyi it is public so don't use for confidential things if they come up later) | 13:30 |
| sonach | lbt: http://pastie.org/3213377 | 13:31 |
| sonach | this ks file was just downloaded from StsKeeps's webpage... | 13:31 |
| lbt | hmm that has Mer Core, not mer Base | 13:33 |
| sonach | On my platform, the bootloader and kernel is ready. So What I should do first is to generate Mer rootfs with special file system. and test this Mer rootfs. | 13:34 |
| lbt | so the .ks should have "Mer Core" in it | 13:35 |
| sonach | OK, | 13:35 |
| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-i586.ks | 13:36 |
| Sage | X-Fade: sync ping | 13:37 |
| lbt | this page: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:About is going to have links to pages about important information | 13:37 |
| sonach | lbt: I saw this Category:About. | 13:37 |
| lbt | so from there the Kickstart page has that link in it | 13:37 |
| lbt | I'm still organising that | 13:38 |
| lbt | so if you see things missing - or confusing - *please* yell :) | 13:38 |
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| sonach | lbt: OK. Now new errors: Error: failed to create image : Unable to download from repo : Error: Unresolved dependencies, transaction failed. | 13:39 |
| lbt | hehe | 13:39 |
| sonach | ? | 13:39 |
| lbt | that's a laugh :) | 13:40 |
| lbt | so did you just add Mer Core ... or did you use the new ks? | 13:40 |
| sonach | I see:) Maybe I make a stupid mistake? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | can i see the .ks? | 13:40 |
| sonach | Why should I use the new ks? | 13:40 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3213377 | 13:41 |
| lbt | I think sonach has changed Base to Core | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | it should be | 13:41 |
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| sonach | I only want to generate a Mer rootfs as simple as possible. So I use StsKeeps' mer-core-armv7l-base.ks. | 13:42 |
| lbt | yes, that makes sense | 13:42 |
| lbt | I've not tried one that minimal | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes, give me a moment | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | that .ks yesterday was an example :) | 13:43 |
| lbt | *g* | 13:43 |
| sonach | So other problems with mer-core-armv7l-base.ks? | 13:43 |
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| sonach | lbt&Stskeeps: another information about the error: http://pastie.org/3213459 | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:46 |
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| Stskeeps | --pkgmgr=yum | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | add that to the command line | 13:47 |
| sonach | hehe, In the origin mic-image-creator, the "--pkgmgr=yum" was there; I deleted it according to wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Image_Creation:) | 13:50 |
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| sonach | I will try it now, | 13:51 |
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| sonach | And my workstation is Ubuntu11.10. Does it matter? | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | shouldn't matter too much | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer-core-armv7l-base.ks i just tested with mic-image-creator -f raw --save-kernel --arch=armv7l --record-pkgs=name --cache=tablet-cache --outdir=tablet-os --run-mode=1 --config=mer-core-armv7l-base.ks --pkgmgr=yum | 13:53 |
| lbt | so yum? | 13:53 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: After adding "--pkgmgr=yum", the error doesn't occur any more:) Why should add this option(--pkgmgr=yum)? | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's historical, they wanted to switch to another package manager to do it, zypper, but it was too buggy | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | the development versions had that as default | 13:54 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: only thing that is shown during image build with new core is http://pastie.org/3213504 (didn't see you comment on the matter yet) | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | urgh | 13:55 |
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| Sage | shows on all, armv7l, armv7hl, and i586 | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of those/ | 13:55 |
| Sage | only those 2 :D | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | in practice, boardname should be stripped | 13:55 |
| lbt | so, Stskeeps... before you do that... is Mer sticking with yum for images | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm unsure what 'mic' uses. | 13:56 |
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| lbt | until then? | 13:56 |
| Sage | lbt: mic uses both yum and zypper, however I would recommend yum for now | 13:56 |
| Sage | have had bad experiences with zypper in the past | 13:56 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: another question. I want to build Mer rootfs to yaffs2 file system? But mic-image-creator seems not support this "--format"? | 13:56 |
| Sage | we probably should update the zypper to the newer version with only upstream stuff and check again then | 13:56 |
| lbt | I'll update some of the dpcs | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, just make it to -f fs | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i would advise you to look into ubifs as well | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: -f fs will give you a directory with an image in it | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: we should probably switch to http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/prelink-cross | 13:59 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: boardname.armv7hl: W: unstripped-binary-or-object /usr/lib/libboardname.so.1 <- in boardname build rpmlint | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok, that's a bug then | 13:59 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: Now I build the rootfs successfully. with the directory "meego-mer-core-armv7l-base-1.2.90.20120119.2151". So it is the result of "--format=fs"? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: if you used --format=fs, then yes | 13:59 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: in boardname package? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yes | 14:00 |
| Sage | ok, I'll file one | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: prelink should obviously parse DWARF-4 too, but that's actually not supposed to be on a device | 14:00 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: hi, could you point me to the URL of the published mer next repos? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.0.1/ | 14:01 |
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| mdfe_ | thx | 14:01 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: I will try to tar the rootfs to yaffs2 using the vendor's tool(I think the vendor may offer this kind of tool in the SDK ). Maybe that will work:) | 14:01 |
| mdfe_ | and the second dot indicates the next repo? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes - a modern file system like ubifs much recommended though, for NAND installs, but let's see how it works :) | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it's possible to add yaffs2 support to mic probably | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process#Version_numbers | 14:02 |
| mdfe_ | awesome, great work :) | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | except the thursday stuff | 14:03 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: that's something we may need to put in the SDK | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mm | 14:03 |
| lbt | fs support | 14:03 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: So the yaffs2 is not supported for the moment? Anyway, I should look into the vendor's docs to make clear whether ubifs is supported. | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, we don't support generating it directly from mic2, but it's normally OK to just take output of '--format=fs' and then make it into yaffs2 | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: if you run into any problems with mer because it runs on yaffs2, that's a bug :) | 14:05 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. I will test it carefully:) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so, a couple of potential things that could have blown up a working prerelease: DRI2 protocol update, qt4.8.0 | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so if we can somehow test if GLESv2 still works that'd be good | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps a sample non-compositor qt/mtf app | 14:07 |
| Sage | hmmp... something is wrong that is for sure | 14:07 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: so egl test? | 14:09 |
| Sage | did we have a package for that | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, but test widgetsgallery first? | 14:10 |
| Sage | I'll change to xterm mode first and lets see if Xorg comes up with that | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | with ok | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:11 |
| Sage | yup, xterm starts fine to Xorg | 14:11 |
| Sage | so not all is broken | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | my fear is a bit that our GLESv2 driver is tied to dri2 protocol | 14:11 |
| sonach | lbt: IN http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Image_Creation_For_Beginners, I see "Another language version of this page ". I think it is not necessary for the moment:) | 14:11 |
| lbt | sonach: thanks - I'm editing that page at the moment - I'll delete it | 14:12 |
| lbt | it was copied from the meego wiki | 14:12 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Image_Creation_For_Beginners updated | 14:31 |
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| sonach | lbt: Maybe I will test "http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step" sometime later. Now I don't need to package bootloader,kernel and rootfs into one image. Thanks for your work anyway:) | 14:40 |
| sonach | lbt: Now I just burn bootloader, kernel and rootfs into different locations on the NAND flash. | 14:41 |
| lbt | yes, this kind of thing is very device specific | 14:41 |
| lbt | you may eventually need to package the kernel into the rootfs for lib/ | 14:42 |
| lbt | if you do things like --save-kernel are useful to ensure rootfs and kernel match | 14:42 |
| sonach | lbt: Yes. I think "make modules_install" will copy drivers to /lib. | 14:43 |
| sonach | lbt: What's "--save-kernel " used for? I | 14:43 |
| lbt | *nod* .... a lot of what I'm trying to do is make it easy to support the company as you move to a larger development team | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: means that it takes the /boot/vmlinuz* and saves it besides the image | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: very useful for flashing a kernel | 14:44 |
| lbt | he types faster than me :) | 14:44 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: I don't understand... why "very useful for flashing a kernel"? | 14:47 |
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| sonach | And takes the /boot/vmlinuz* to where? | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ok, normally, we would have the kernel inside the image | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | that is, in /boot/ | 14:49 |
| sonach | hmm | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | this option makes mic copy the file in /boot/ and distribute it alongside the image | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | like in http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120105.1.NEMO.2012-01-19.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-testing/ | 14:50 |
| sonach | I see:) | 14:52 |
| sonach | Stskeeps and lbt: thank you for help. See you tomorrow:) Now it's 22:53 of Beijing Time:) | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | see you, have a good night | 14:53 |
| lbt | good night sonach :) | 14:53 |
| Sage | btw, --save-kernel will be renamed to --copy-kernel in mic | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 14:54 |
| Sage | currently mic doesn't have --save-kernel and maintainer says copy-kernel is better name and I agree | 14:54 |
| sonach | Sage: "--save-kernel will be renamed to --copy-kernel in mic" in later version of mic? | 14:54 |
| Sage | however if someone has even better suggestion feel free to suggest | 14:54 |
| Sage | sonach: yes mic (Different thing than mic2) | 14:55 |
| sonach | Sage: but we usually use mic2 not mic, is that right? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but we're probably moving to 'mic' as recommended :) | 14:55 |
| Sage | sonach: mic2 isn't maintained anymore so you should probably change to mic at somepoint as well. | 14:55 |
| Sage | sonach: upstream is at https://github.com/jfding/mic | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | we'll be providing this in the mer platform sdk | 14:56 |
| sonach | Sage: I just do "apt-get install mic"... So this is mic2? | 14:56 |
| Sage | sonach: not sure about that, there should be --version in the cmdline | 14:57 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Mic2 | 14:57 |
| Sage | with mic it just says 0.x | 14:57 |
| sonach | mic-image-creator --version: 0.24.14 | 14:58 |
| lbt | notice links to "mic installation", explanation of stupid naming and links to git repos etc | 14:58 |
| lbt | (missing links that is :) | 14:58 |
| Sage | sonach: that is mic2 | 14:59 |
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| lbt | <sarcasm> as the 0.24 version clearly shows </sarcasm> :D | 14:59 |
| Sage | how much lag there is on http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/maillist.html ? | 14:59 |
| Sage | lbt: ;) | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ~half hour | 15:00 |
| Sage | ok | 15:00 |
| sonach | OK. Maybe I should download mic's src from git and build it on my own:) | 15:00 |
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| lbt | sonach: not usually a good idea | 15:01 |
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| Sage | lbt: well in case of mic I have seen that as the best idea always, but well depends how well you know the content :) | 15:02 |
| lbt | yeah, but it's insanely hard for us to support | 15:02 |
| lbt | the correct solution (which we're working on) is for Mer to have a proper platform SDK and Tools repository. | 15:02 |
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| Sage | lbt: :nod: | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | no, i will not package ruby bindings.. | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ping | 16:39 |
| lbt | pong | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: want a chroot with a draft 'platform sdk' (mic, osc, etc)? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | just to try it out | 16:40 |
| lbt | sure | 16:40 |
| lbt | .ks ? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | works too, sec | 16:42 |
| lbt | (quicker download here :) ... still at 1.5mb) | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-i586-sdk.ks | 16:43 |
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| lbt | hey Alison_Chaiken | 16:43 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hey lbt. How long we getting to use MeeGo OBS? Should I get a personal OBS? | 16:43 |
| lbt | Alison_Chaiken: unknown at the moment | 16:44 |
| lbt | we're planning on putting up a Mer c.obs | 16:44 |
| lbt | I'm talking to people | 16:44 |
| lbt | Stefan has offered to provide some HW | 16:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | You can ge a personal OBS though, right? | 16:44 |
| lbt | sure ... | 16:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I mean at OpenSUSE's site? | 16:45 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Like Launchpad has? | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup | 16:45 |
| lbt | damn he's quick today | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i have useful information enabled by F1..F10 | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 16:46 |
| lbt | *g* | 16:46 |
| * lbt usually has the tab open - ETOOMANYTABS though | 16:46 | |
| lbt | I'm hoping that http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:$concept will work | 16:47 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Obs does | 16:47 |
| lbt | so that works for mic, mic2, spectacle, spec, image | 16:47 |
| lbt | and kickstart and kernel | 16:48 |
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| lbt | kernel config checkerhttp://pastie.org/3215038 | 19:20 |
| lbt | kernel config checker http://pastie.org/3215038 | 19:20 |
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| * Stskeeps is reading up on MIPS architectures and ABIs | 19:46 | |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ARM | 19:48 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MIPS | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | i think i understand why the rt-rk people did a o32 ABI port now | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | almost no STBs use 64-bit processors | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | and N32 abi doesn't work on 32-bit | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | despite it's name | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | ABIs == crazy stuff | 19:51 |
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| vgrade | lbt, checker looking good | 21:14 |
| lbt | yeah ... a bit tricky to get parsing to work | 21:14 |
| lbt | good enough thogh | 21:15 |
| vgrade | did you stick in the PA3 meeting | 21:15 |
| lbt | no | 21:16 |
| lbt | seemed not to be something I could contribute too | 21:16 |
| vgrade | mostly focused on PA3 features, a little bit on system integration | 21:17 |
| lbt | yeah ... UI level | 21:17 |
| vgrade | I proposed a task of getting more device support as they only run on exo/wetab and a couple of tegra tablets atm | 21:18 |
| vgrade | tasks have gone to mailing list for discussion | 21:18 |
| vgrade | also a task of systemd work | 21:18 |
| lbt | systemd? | 21:18 |
| vgrade | I don't think they have done anything to port things to systemd | 21:19 |
| vgrade | startup/shutdowm,sleep etc | 21:19 |
| lbt | I See | 21:19 |
| w00t | with a capital S | 21:21 |
| w00t | for emphaSis | 21:21 |
| w00t | :-p | 21:21 |
| vgrade | they have a task which schdules things on startup which should really be done by systemd I think. They are mostly working against the MeeGo 1.2 sysv stuff but there is talk about moving over to Mer exclusively | 21:21 |
| lbt | : | 21:21 |
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| Sage | vgrade: can systemd support services that are started by user? Mainly meaning that UX level stuff should mainly run as user not as root and I'm not sure if systemd can do that | 21:36 |
| lbt | it can run things that do "su" | 21:37 |
| lbt | but I guess "logged in user" is hard | 21:37 |
| lbt | also you'd lose any .profile environment | 21:38 |
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| w00t | Sage: isn't that what uxlaunch is for? | 21:38 |
| lbt | w00t: where's the uxlaunch manpage? | 21:39 |
| w00t | does mer have manpages? | 21:40 |
| w00t | anyway, I think there's one in the source tree | 21:40 |
| lbt | we really should have an equivalent, yes | 21:41 |
| lbt | (seriously) | 21:42 |
| jonnor_work | Sage, systemd can also be used as a session manager | 21:42 |
| lbt | phaeron: here :) | 21:46 |
| phaeron | lbt: ok uploading the files to obs | 21:47 |
| lbt | so I want to keep the kernel .spec simple | 21:47 |
| lbt | the downside is 1 package : 1 kernel rpm | 21:47 |
| lbt | so to make a joggler HA and a kvm HA and a nook HA we need 3 packages in the obs | 21:47 |
| lbt | kernel-adaptation-{nook,joggler,kvm} ... | 21:48 |
| lbt | the .spec should be the same though | 21:48 |
| lbt | the yaml and the .config will vary | 21:49 |
| lbt | the issue is to change the .spec to keep it in sync | 21:50 |
| lbt | any ideas? | 21:50 |
| lbt | hmm | 21:50 |
| lbt | we build-depend on mer-check-kernel | 21:50 |
| lbt | the .spec can have a template version # | 21:50 |
| lbt | and we can put that in the BR and compare and complain | 21:50 |
| lbt | yeah, I like it | 21:51 |
| phaeron | that doesn't solve the multiple packages issue | 21:51 |
| lbt | no - but it alerts you to being out of sync | 21:51 |
| lbt | and it can be set to error | 21:51 |
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| lbt | eg http://pastie.org/3215797 | 21:54 |
| lbt | the /usr/bin/mer_verify_kernel_spec is part of mer-check-kernel package and it'll put a sane message out | 21:54 |
| phaeron | well it's a good idea. should save some time by failing early | 21:56 |
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| csdb | lbt, the way we solved multiple kernels is by having a separate file which gets included by the specfile | 22:06 |
| csdb | this file is a config file that just picks the kernel target to be built | 22:06 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:06 |
| lbt | I thought about it | 22:06 |
| csdb | that way the specfile is the same across multiple pkgs, just the .cfg file changes | 22:06 |
| lbt | do we really need multiple kernels built for one package? | 22:06 |
| csdb | we don't. 1 kernel == 1 package | 22:07 |
| lbt | OK | 22:07 |
| csdb | because we have a number of internal variants, having 1 pkg for all kernels doesn't scale | 22:07 |
| csdb | we started with that and migrated away from it | 22:08 |
| lbt | so kernel-adaptation-{nook,joggler,kvm} | 22:08 |
| lbt | ? | 22:08 |
| lbt | (just to be clear) | 22:08 |
| csdb | sure :) | 22:09 |
| lbt | so the problem I see is that the yaml may vary | 22:09 |
| lbt | eg ARM has a BR on uboot-panda-* | 22:09 |
| lbt | x86 doesn't | 22:09 |
| lbt | that directly changes the .spec | 22:10 |
| lbt | but only the 'autogen' part | 22:10 |
| csdb | but you can have %if in the specfile that gets triggered by the target | 22:10 |
| lbt | I'm looking for a way to keep the non-autogen up to date | 22:10 |
| lbt | you can | 22:10 |
| lbt | but also Mer has no kernels | 22:10 |
| lbt | so we ship a suggested packaging out | 22:11 |
| lbt | and try to make life easy | 22:11 |
| lbt | see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-sample&project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3ASample%3AHA | 22:11 |
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| lbt | have a quick look at the spec and yaml | 22:11 |
| lbt | quite tiny really | 22:11 |
| phaeron | why is the bootstrap done from meego | 22:11 |
| lbt | csdb: and I want to avoid complexity for the "getting going" phase too :) | 22:12 |
| lbt | phaeron: bug | 22:12 |
| * csdb never got into spectacle | 22:12 | |
| lbt | #104 | 22:12 |
| lbt | csdb: yeah ... Stskeeps likes it and I'm not unhappy with it | 22:12 |
| csdb | understood, but how does this fit with the kernel adaptions ? | 22:13 |
| lbt | it's a bit lacking in conditionals | 22:13 |
| lbt | OK | 22:13 |
| csdb | Do you want the sample to support multiple targets? | 22:13 |
| lbt | no | 22:13 |
| lbt | however we may improve the .spec | 22:13 |
| csdb | someone can certainly pick up the sample and tweak it for 1 target and be done | 22:13 |
| lbt | eg we're going to start using a 'get_verison_from_changes' macro | 22:14 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:14 |
| csdb | is that what people will be doing, or will most people be using > 1 target? | 22:14 |
| lbt | I expect 1 or 2 | 22:14 |
| lbt | not 10 | 22:14 |
| lbt | but I want to notify people that "hey, there's another version of the boilerplate" | 22:14 |
| csdb | If most are going to use > 1 target, then maybe it's better to have a more complex sample that can deal with configurable packages per target | 22:14 |
| lbt | we actually don't know | 22:14 |
| csdb | ok, then I think the simple sample is the way to go | 22:15 |
| lbt | indeed | 22:15 |
| lbt | and this script allows us to notify people of changes | 22:15 |
| lbt | but it's not massively intrusive | 22:15 |
| csdb | but you might even want to make your sample already have the target_hw on everywhere that matters | 22:15 |
| csdb | such as Name: | 22:15 |
| lbt | Name *defines* target_hw | 22:16 |
| lbt | at the moment | 22:16 |
| csdb | ahhh | 22:16 |
| lbt | line 65 | 22:16 |
| csdb | so if you wanted to create 2 targets, you'd copy kernel-adaptation-sample pkg to e.g. kernel-adaption-target1 pkg, rename all files to kernel-adaptation-target1, edit kernel-adaption1-target1.yaml to change the Name: line and hope for the best | 22:19 |
| lbt | yes | 22:19 |
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| lbt | and I do that and it works for arm and x86 | 22:19 |
| csdb | and then if you want to do a 2nd one, you have to do the same sequence again | 22:20 |
| lbt | yes | 22:20 |
| lbt | which is essentially osc copypac A B | 22:20 |
| lbt | so not hard | 22:20 |
| csdb | well, there is file renaming involved which copypac won't take care of | 22:20 |
| lbt | true | 22:21 |
| csdb | maybe just drop the -sample from the yaml and spec files | 22:21 |
| lbt | spectacle :) | 22:21 |
| lbt | I think | 22:21 |
| lbt | I may check that | 22:21 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:21 |
| csdb | ok .yaml, .spec, .config and .changes files all have kernel-adaption-sample basename | 22:21 |
| lbt | it uses the Name: | 22:22 |
| lbt | this is a spectacle requirement | 22:22 |
| * csdb still doesn't like spectacle | 22:22 | |
| * lbt is not a fan but this is a few minutes easy shell work for something that's about to take hours and hours of .config hacking :) | 22:23 | |
| lbt | so optimising it too much is not useful | 22:23 |
| csdb | agreed | 22:23 |
| csdb | not a big deal if 1 or 2 | 22:23 |
| lbt | and if you have more... feel free to do your own thing | 22:23 |
| lbt | and we can offer that as a complex-sample too | 22:24 |
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| * phaeron is still at the get it to compile step | 22:39 | |
| lbt | :) | 22:40 |
| lbt | in the chroot ? | 22:41 |
| phaeron | yeah | 22:42 |
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| phaeron | I mixed up bz2 with gz | 22:42 |
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| phaeron | lbt: missing a step on how to add the kernel repo to the ks ? | 22:44 |
| lbt | hmm | 22:45 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:45 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: for the am .. wondering about making some kind of mer-config.rpm ... combining meego-rpm-config mer-kickstarter-configs and my mer-kernel-check ... keeps the package count down and given it's all managed in git and even a bit related it may make sense | 23:32 |
| Iso | Is Mer ready for my ExoPC or not? I mean, ready for a daily use, without hacks? | 23:39 |
| lbt | Iso: you misunderstand Mer | 23:40 |
| Iso | Ah? | 23:40 |
| lbt | Mer is a base platform for use by vendors to build products | 23:40 |
| Iso | Oh, my bad. | 23:41 |
| lbt | there are 2 doing ExoPC work | 23:41 |
| Iso | What should I use then? | 23:41 |
| lbt | Nemo and PlasmaActive | 23:41 |
| lbt | and neither is ready for "average consumers" yet | 23:41 |
| Iso | Do you have a preference for one? | 23:41 |
| Iso | What is missing? | 23:41 |
| lbt | Nemo comes from the MeeGo community space and focuses on handset | 23:42 |
| lbt | PA is more kde/tablety | 23:42 |
| lbt | both are worth a look but only if you want to get your hands dirty | 23:42 |
| lbt | #nemomobile and #active are the chans you want | 23:43 |
| Iso | That’s neat, thanks (: | 23:43 |
| lbt | np .. have fun | 23:43 |
| Iso | But then I have another question, what OS should I use for my tablet? | 23:43 |
| lbt | those are both based on Mer | 23:43 |
| Iso | Got that, but what if I want something relatively stable? | 23:44 |
| lbt | no clue - some normal distro? | 23:44 |
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| Iso | Stable and tablet-friendly : d | 23:46 |
| Iso | I tried Ubuntu, Arch and Android (Vega v2 x86 build) so far | 23:47 |
| Iso | Arch with KDE, because I was not able to build KDE Contour on it… for some mysterious reasons. | 23:47 |
| Iso | And MeeGo, of course. | 23:47 |
| lbt | I honestly don't know - it depends what your needs are | 23:48 |
| lbt | if you just want to rowse the web then Nemo/PA are fine | 23:49 |
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| Iso | Yes, that kind of stuff… | 23:49 |
| Iso | I’ll give it a loo.k | 23:49 |
| Iso | Thanks (: | 23:49 |
| lbt | np... | 23:50 |
| lbt | if you don't find what you want then you have to help make it happen :D | 23:50 |
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| Iso | I know that! | 23:50 |
| Iso | But I’m not sure to be good enough to help… | 23:51 |
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| lbt | that's rarely a problem if you *want* to help and you don't mind hard work | 23:51 |
| Iso | Yep. | 23:52 |
| lbt | get Nemo or PA installed and see what you think | 23:52 |
| phaeron | giving the kernel config a spin | 23:52 |
| lbt | cool - bear in mind the provided sample is for Joggler | 23:53 |
| phaeron | yeah I toggled a lot of stuff | 23:54 |
| phaeron | added a make oldconfig in the prep section .. | 23:54 |
| lbt | no | 23:55 |
| lbt | don't do that | 23:55 |
| Iso | Why is there 3 different images for PA? Mer, Meego and Balsam? | 23:55 |
| Iso | are there* | 23:55 |
| lbt | go into the chroot and make menu/oldconfig | 23:55 |
| lbt | then copy that out | 23:55 |
| lbt | make sure you have an export ARCH=x86 | 23:56 |
| phaeron | lbt: I did , still complains about needing oldconfig | 23:56 |
| lbt | mmm | 23:56 |
| lbt | it kinda can't | 23:56 |
| lbt | if it does then your chroot ENV != build ENV | 23:56 |
| lbt | and that's bad | 23:57 |
| lbt | Iso: PA builds on all 3 - I think they may move to just Mer - not sure | 23:57 |
| Iso | Ok, gotta try Mer then | 23:58 |
| Iso | Thank you so much lbt! | 23:58 |
| lbt | np | 23:59 |
| phaeron | mm I skipped the x86 because I want 64bit kernel.. (can run 32bit userspace). and then osc build forces 32bit so options change ? | 23:59 |
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