Thursday, 2012-01-19

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Stskeepsmoo dm8tbr06:52
Stskeepsdm8tbr: could you restart merbot or forcibly end the meeting?06:53
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dm8tbrStskeeps: I think those meeting notes wont be available or will be damaged06:55
Stskeepsthat's ok06:55
Stskeepsyou can btw log in on the bot in /msg06:55
Stskeepsand force a meeting to end06:55
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dm8tbrah, there was an 'OR'06:55
dm8tbrsorry, woke up 10min ago06:55
Stskeepsit's okay, i have a killer headache this morning too so i'm not very lucid06:55
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dm8tbrwas already wondering why you want me to do such a brutal 'reboot' :)06:56
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vgradeanyone seen this mic error before?,
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vgradeF15 host, git mic, bootstrap created07:29
berndhsF14s had a real interesting special purpose memory for radar tracking07:30
berndhsand some strange cross-bar comm thingy to get it to correlate tracks07:31
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Stskeepsvgrade: remake your bootstrap07:40
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vgradeStskeeps, its for someone on #active07:49
Stskeepswell, remake his bootstrap07:49
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vgradehe made it yesterday07:50
vgradeif he adds libpcre to his bootstrap mic runs07:50
vgradeI'll get him to rebuild the bootstrap again anyway, thanks07:56
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vgradesage, Failed to build transaction: xorg-x11-server-Xorg conflicts with xorg-x11-server-Xorg-setuid. Which one is required for N95008:11
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Sagevgrade: -setuid08:11
Sagevgrade: the sgx driver should bring that automatically in btw.08:12
timophStskeeps: didn't manage to try the sb2 stuff yesterday since I fell asleep ~6 in the evening (lesson: don't watch black adder if you're tired)08:14
Stskeepsi was pretty out of it too, still a bit sick08:15
Stskeepsthe good thing about having a fever: my mind is more concentrated, so i just cut a rpmlint run on ARM from 26x to 6x native X86 time :>08:16
vgradeSage, this is a build someone on #active is doing. N950 nemo plus Plasma Active.  Looks like both packages are being pulled by mic08:16
w00tStskeeps: !08:17
vgradeSage, , --excludepkgs on the non-setuid worked08:19
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Sagevgrade: mesa-libEGL ?!?08:20
Sagevgrade: also remove xorg-x11-drv-evdev, xorg-x11-drv-fbdev and xorg-x11-xauth08:21
Sagevgrade: and mesa-dri-swrast-driver08:21
vgradeSage, thanks missed that08:21
Sagethose 5 away at least08:22
vgradeno sorry old kickstart08:22
vgradebut probably still have xauth08:22
Sagewell that is just extra shouldn't cause that problem though08:25
vgradeok i'll get the guy to remove the xauth and try again without the --excludepkgs08:28
Sagevgrade: any change you could get the new .ks file. Hard to help without that :/08:29
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vgradeSage, will do when the guy is back online, thanks. I noted also
Sagevgrade: yes, but that is already fixed long time ago08:32
vgradeSage, ok08:32
Sagevgrade: if you need excludepkgs then something is really wrong somewhere08:32
Sageand I would appraciate the info as it might be somethign wrong in Mer core and I would like to get it fixed.08:33
vgradesure, will ping you when the guy comes back08:33
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SageStskeeps: could we add latest-prerelease link to ?08:40
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SageStskeeps: the only thing with that would be that it should point to latest when that is newer than pre-release08:40
Sagewould just ease the testing image builds08:40
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron08:55
lbtmorning all08:55
phaeronlbt: I created lots of toplevel dod08:55
Stskeepsphaeron: i think i can report by now i don't see any ill effect of transparent prjlinks08:56
lbtphaeron: ta08:56
phaeronStskeeps: cool :) so maybe make it the default thing ?08:56
Stskeepsphaeron: i would certainly motivate you to try an upstream it for fame and fortune08:56
phaeronlbt: added a message about it on homepage08:56
phaeronStskeeps: :)08:56
phaeronStskeeps: did you see today's email about cross compilation on opensuse ml ?08:57
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Stskeepsi responded08:57
Stskeepsmy own bloody fault for not talking about it08:58
Stskeepstheir idea isn't half bad but it's stupid to do two seperate solutions when we can do it with one :P08:58
phaeronnot too late , it's still an RFC, no code08:59
phaeronhmm didn't get your answer yet08:59
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SageStskeeps: first oddness with new prerelease: (armv7l)09:20
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Sagethat happens on post scripts in mic09:21
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Sagegrr... got my N900 totally messed with systemd and udev hacking :)09:37
Stskeepsbetter your system than a end user09:39
SageI'm having bad feeling about that 2.7.x python update09:40
Stskeepsi need to review it with working logs09:40
Sagemainly because I have seen so many hardcoded python 2.6 lines09:40
Stskeepsthat's good to get weeded out though09:40
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lbtSage: grep -r09:44
Stskeepsmorn lbt09:44
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lbtmorning (again) :D09:45
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* lbt thinks nook may be a good ARM kernel and sample HA09:47
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Stskeepsoh true, you have a nook too09:48
lbtarm kernel is fine-ish ... just %files skip firmware - which only exists due to strange module selection09:48
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lbtyaml needs BR for uboot adding too09:49
lbtand I found a limitation of the mis-placed lua macro due to interpretation order09:49
lbtminor though09:49
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slainewas thinking of picking up a nook too09:54
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Stskeepsnook color, not tablet :)09:59
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slainethough the tablet would be nice once it's opened up10:02
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mdfe_good morning10:22
Stskeepsmorn mdfe_10:22
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Sagelbt: grep -r ?10:23
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Sagelbt: ah, yes10:25
lbtmaybe just log this as a blocking bug/task - find dependencies on py2.610:25
mdfe_Sage: Did you every detect a problem with mic-image-creater by creating raw mmc images? I have the effect by building raw images the remote rpm repositories are not stored inside the image.10:25
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phaeronmdfe_: maybe it is a missing --save-repo option to the repo line in the ks10:26
mdfe_hmm, good hint10:26
Stskeepsi'll have to postpone qtwebkit 2.2.1 to next mer release, 2.2.1's acting up10:27
Sagemdfe_: you are missing --save repo option10:27
SageStskeeps: I guess x-loader and/or u-boot needs fix with the new toolchain as well?10:28
phaeronlooks like it is just --save10:28
StskeepsSage: possibly, yeah10:28
Sagetested panda first time on new toolchain and it fails10:28
Sagekernel has the patch10:28
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Stskeepsit just needs a proper CFLAG10:30
lbtphaeron: could you cast your eye over
SageStskeeps: that same option to CFLAGS than kernel had?10:31
SageStskeeps: ?10:34
Stskeepsyou probably want " "'s10:34
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phaeronlbt: ok , will do10:38
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slainelbt, nicely done10:48
slaineone question, is the "Make an Image" section url correct ? Referring to servers,
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Stskeepsyes, we don't yet have bootstrap tools set on mer10:49
Stskeepsit's in our backlog10:50
slainegrand, I thought that was the case, but just wanted to double check10:50
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slaineI don't know about phaeron, but that was exactly the kind of getting started checklist I was looking for.10:51
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phaeronlbt: I thought we should use the new "mic"10:56
lbtwe will10:57
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phaeronotherwise , did a minor edit for the formatting at the bottom10:57
lbtty :)10:57
phaeronvery cool. I have some device I'd like to try on actually :)10:58
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SageStskeeps: hmmp... uxlaunch should probably depend on xorg-x11-server-Xorg11:02
Stskeepspractically yes11:02
Sage[  313.170532] uxlaunch[3104]: No X server found!11:02
Sageit fails without :)11:03
lbtis mic3 called mic?11:05
Sagethere is no mic311:05
Sagethere is just old mic2 and new mic11:06
lbtwhat about super-new mic11:06
lbtor super-old mic11:06
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lbtand tizen is using "meego image creator" ...11:06
StskeepsSage: ok, so practicaly..11:07
Sage[  627.233123] omapdrm omapdrm.0: failed to allocate vram11:07
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Sagewith cmdline: console=ttyO2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait rootflags=barrier=1 earlyprintk vram=32M11:09
SageStskeeps: copying first new core image to n900 atm. lets see how it boots11:10
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vgradeSage, is the latest ks, still has xauth and evdev11:14
Sagevgrade: remove --excludepkgs=xorg-x11-server-Xorg11:16
Sagevgrade: as well as those two xorg packaes11:16
Sagevgrade: and add --save on the plasma repos11:16
vgradeSage, ok will pass that on11:21
SageStskeeps: hmmp. N900 image doesn't seem to boot to UX with new core11:22
Sagecan see the systemui infos though so only home is down I guess11:23
StskeepsSage: uh-uh11:25
StskeepsSage: and you used our repos built against new core i presume?11:25
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Sageyes, although some of my images went bad on creation time so need to redo and recheck all11:27
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Stskeepsso it might just be a fluke11:28
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Sagemy pandaimage went totally bad it didn't include x-loader at all11:29
Stskeepsout of space?11:29
Sageand n900 image seems a bit odd as well so lets see11:29
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Sagealso xorg was missing from my panda image test11:30
Sagemcompositor crashes11:32
SageWARNING: void MIMPluginManagerPrivate::_q_onScreenSubViewChanged() Cannot switch to "nemo-keyboard.qml" "" because it is not enabled11:32
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Sageerr... nemomobile11:32
Stskeepsi guess a reference with old core would be good too11:33
Stskeepsso we can see whats' core and what's nemo11:33
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Stskeepswe still have a non-booting new core image, or?12:03
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Stskeepsie, if you still have problems12:04
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Sagemy panda image didn't get Xorg up but that is probably because adaptation. N900 gets Xorg up but it crashes it seems.12:05
Sageso yes12:05
Stskeepscomparison with old core needed then12:05
Sagemy mic changed as well so that might cause issues as well12:06
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bergieStskeeps: hi12:12
bergieis final?12:12
lbthey bergie12:13
lbtcan we add more to the summary text?12:13
Stskeepsbergie: there's technically space for two more, AFAIK12:13
bergielbt: yeah, Stskeeps has the editing account12:14
bergieStskeeps: ok, so if some last-minute talks come up12:14
Stskeepsbergie: right12:14
Stskeepstechnically three if i count 11.00-11.30 too12:14
lbtis it only talks?12:14
lbtor would a round-table work?12:14
Stskeepsif you mean the kind where we eat steak at, maybe12:14
Stskeepswe can do other forms but i don't know if it will work in a 74 people room12:15
Stskeepsbergie: i think the lineup is pretty nice, looking around at other devrooms12:15
lbtyeah... OK12:15
bergieStskeeps: agreed. Would've been nice to have something on webOS, GNOME Mobile, Android12:16
bergiebut this is not a bad start :-=12:16
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bergie:-) even12:16
Stskeepseven embedded devroom seems suspiciously devoid of android talks12:17
Stskeepsone or two12:17
bergie"License issues in Android" ;-)12:17
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vgradeSage, still have Xorg conflicts with . No rush, looks like you have your plate full atm12:19
Sagevgrade: the excludepkgs is still there12:20
Sagevgrade: after removing that please share the error log while doing build12:20
Stskeepsbbl ~hour12:21
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Sagevgrade: have any plasma active x86 image around?12:35
Sagewhat does "rpm -e xorg-x11-server-Xorg" show?12:35
vgradeSage, not with me. Will look later12:36
Sageit seems that something depends on xorg-x11-server-Xorg12:37
Sagevgrade: also you might want to try out the mic instead of mic2 from
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Sagevgrade: ok well not that then12:50
Sagevgrade: well, try commenting out most of the stuff in %packages section and see what package brings the conflict12:52
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lbtsonach: ping13:11
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sonachlbt: pong13:25
sonachlbt: I have a question to ask,13:25
lbtsure ... fire away13:26
lbtbtw, I was going to mention  ... for you to take a look at13:26
sonachI generated bootstrap using: sudo mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k rpms -r -o /home/zhanghui/Mer/buildrootfs/cache/mer-bootstrap13:26
sonachThe bootstrap was generated successfully.13:27
sonachWhen I build my image: sudo mic-image-creator --config=mer-core-armv7l-base.ks --format=fs --bootstrap=/home/zhanghui/Mer/buildrootfs/cache/mer-bootstrap --cache=rpms --outdir=/home/zhanghui/Mer/mer-base-rootfs --arch=armv7l13:27
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sonachI met erros: Error: failed to create image : Failed to find group 'Mer Base' : Unable to find pattern: Mer Base13:28
sonachCan you give me some suggestions?13:28
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lbtcan you paste your mer-core-armv7l-base.ks to pastebin13:29
sonachhow to paste it to pastebin?13:29
lbtcut'n'paste in there and it's visible (but fyi it is public so don't use for confidential things if they come up later)13:30
sonachthis ks file was just downloaded from StsKeeps's webpage...13:31
lbthmm that has Mer Core, not mer Base13:33
sonachOn my platform, the bootloader and kernel is ready. So What I should do first is to generate Mer rootfs with special file system. and test this Mer rootfs.13:34
lbtso the .ks should have "Mer Core" in it13:35
SageX-Fade: sync ping13:37
lbtthis page:  is going to have links to pages about important information13:37
sonachlbt: I saw this Category:About.13:37
lbtso from there the Kickstart page has that link in it13:37
lbtI'm still organising that13:38
lbtso if you see things missing - or confusing - *please* yell :)13:38
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sonachlbt: OK. Now new errors: Error: failed to create image : Unable to download from repo : Error: Unresolved dependencies, transaction failed.13:39
lbtthat's a laugh :)13:40
lbtso did you just add Mer Core ... or did you use the new ks?13:40
sonachI see:) Maybe I make a stupid mistake?13:40
Stskeepscan i see the .ks?13:40
sonachWhy should I use the new ks?13:40
lbtI think sonach has changed Base to Core13:41
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Stskeepsit should be13:41
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sonachI only want to generate a Mer rootfs as simple as possible. So I use StsKeeps' mer-core-armv7l-base.ks.13:42
lbtyes, that makes sense13:42
lbtI've not tried one that minimal13:42
Stskeepsyes, give me a moment13:42
Stskeepsthat .ks yesterday was an example :)13:43
sonachSo other problems with mer-core-armv7l-base.ks?13:43
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sonachlbt&Stskeeps: another information about the error:
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Stskeepsadd that to the command line13:47
sonachhehe, In the origin mic-image-creator, the "--pkgmgr=yum" was there; I deleted it according to
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sonachI will try it now,13:51
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sonachAnd my workstation is Ubuntu11.10. Does it matter?13:52
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Stskeepsshouldn't matter too much13:52
Stskeeps i just tested with mic-image-creator -f raw --save-kernel --arch=armv7l --record-pkgs=name --cache=tablet-cache --outdir=tablet-os --run-mode=1 --config=mer-core-armv7l-base.ks --pkgmgr=yum13:53
lbtso yum?13:53
sonachStskeeps: After adding "--pkgmgr=yum", the error doesn't occur any more:)  Why should add this option(--pkgmgr=yum)?13:53
Stskeepsit's historical, they wanted to switch to another package manager to do it, zypper, but it was too buggy13:54
Stskeepsthe development versions had that as default13:54
SageStskeeps: only thing that is shown during image build with new core is (didn't see you comment on the matter yet)13:54
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Sageshows on all, armv7l, armv7hl, and i58613:55
Stskeepsa lot of those/13:55
Sageonly those 2 :D13:55
Stskeepsin practice, boardname should be stripped13:55
lbtso, Stskeeps... before you do that... is Mer sticking with yum for images13:55
Stskeepslbt: i'm unsure what 'mic' uses.13:56
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lbtuntil then?13:56
Sagelbt: mic uses both yum and zypper, however I would recommend yum for now13:56
Sagehave had bad experiences with zypper in the past13:56
sonachStskeeps: another question. I want to build Mer rootfs to yaffs2 file system? But mic-image-creator seems not support this "--format"?13:56
Sagewe probably should update the zypper to the newer version with only upstream stuff and check again then13:56
lbtI'll update some of the dpcs13:56
Stskeepssonach: ok, just make it to -f fs13:57
Stskeepssonach: i would advise you to look into ubifs as well13:57
Stskeepssonach: -f fs will give you a directory with an image in it13:57
StskeepsSage: we should probably switch to
SageStskeeps: boardname.armv7hl: W: unstripped-binary-or-object /usr/lib/ <- in boardname build rpmlint13:59
StskeepsSage: ok, that's a bug then13:59
sonachStsKeeps: Now I build the rootfs successfully. with the directory "meego-mer-core-armv7l-base-". So it is the result of "--format=fs"?13:59
Stskeepssonach: if you used --format=fs, then yes13:59
SageStskeeps: in boardname package?13:59
StskeepsSage: yes14:00
Sageok, I'll file one14:00
StskeepsSage: prelink should obviously parse DWARF-4 too, but that's actually not supposed to be on a device14:00
mdfe_Stskeeps: hi, could you point me to the URL of the published mer next repos?14:00
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sonachStsKeeps: I will try to tar the rootfs to yaffs2 using the vendor's tool(I think the vendor may offer this kind of tool in the SDK ). Maybe that will work:)14:01
mdfe_and the second dot indicates the next repo?14:01
Stskeepssonach: yes - a modern file system like ubifs much recommended though, for NAND installs, but let's see how it works :)14:02
Stskeepssonach: it's possible to add yaffs2 support to mic probably14:02
mdfe_awesome, great work :)14:03
Stskeepsexcept the thursday stuff14:03
lbtStskeeps: that's something we may need to put in the SDK14:03
Stskeepslbt: mm14:03
lbtfs support14:03
sonachStskeeps: So the yaffs2 is not supported for the moment?  Anyway, I should look into the vendor's docs to make clear whether ubifs is supported.14:04
Stskeepssonach: well, we don't support generating it directly from mic2, but it's normally OK to just take output of '--format=fs' and then make it into yaffs214:04
Stskeepssonach: if you run into any problems with mer because it runs on yaffs2, that's a bug :)14:05
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sonachStskeeps: OK. I will test it carefully:)14:06
StskeepsSage: so, a couple of potential things that could have blown up a working prerelease: DRI2 protocol update, qt4.8.014:07
StskeepsSage: so if we can somehow test if GLESv2 still works that'd be good14:07
Stskeepsand perhaps a sample non-compositor qt/mtf app14:07
Sagehmmp... something is wrong that is for sure14:07
SageStskeeps: so egl test?14:09
Sagedid we have a package for that14:09
Stskeepsnot yet, but test widgetsgallery first?14:10
SageI'll change to xterm mode first and lets see if Xorg comes up with that14:10
Stskeepswith ok14:11
Sageyup, xterm starts fine to Xorg14:11
Sageso not all is broken14:11
Stskeepsmy fear is a bit that our GLESv2 driver is tied to dri2 protocol14:11
sonachlbt: IN, I see "Another language version of this page ". I think it is not necessary for the moment:)14:11
lbtsonach: thanks - I'm editing that page at the moment - I'll delete it14:12
lbtit was copied from the meego wiki14:12
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lbt updated14:31
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sonachlbt: Maybe I will test "" sometime later. Now I don't need to package bootloader,kernel and rootfs into one image. Thanks for your work anyway:)14:40
sonachlbt: Now I just burn bootloader, kernel and rootfs into different locations on the NAND flash.14:41
lbtyes, this kind of thing is very device specific14:41
lbtyou may eventually need to package the kernel into the rootfs for lib/14:42
lbtif you do things like --save-kernel are useful to ensure rootfs and kernel match14:42
sonachlbt: Yes. I think "make modules_install" will copy drivers to /lib.14:43
sonachlbt: What's "--save-kernel " used for? I14:43
lbt*nod* .... a lot of what I'm trying to do is make it easy to support the company as you move to a larger development team14:43
Stskeepssonach: means that it takes the /boot/vmlinuz* and saves it besides the image14:44
Stskeepssonach: very useful for flashing a kernel14:44
lbthe types faster than me :)14:44
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sonachStskeeps: I don't understand... why "very useful for flashing a kernel"?14:47
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sonachAnd takes the /boot/vmlinuz* to where?14:48
Stskeepssonach: ok, normally, we would have the kernel inside the image14:49
Stskeepsthat is, in /boot/14:49
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Stskeepsthis option makes mic copy the file in /boot/ and distribute it alongside the image14:49
Stskeepslike in
sonachI see:)14:52
sonachStskeeps and lbt: thank you for help. See you tomorrow:) Now it's 22:53 of Beijing Time:)14:53
Stskeepssee you, have a good night14:53
lbtgood night sonach :)14:53
Sagebtw, --save-kernel will be renamed to --copy-kernel in mic14:53
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StskeepsSage: ok14:54
Sagecurrently mic doesn't have --save-kernel and maintainer says copy-kernel is better name and I agree14:54
sonachSage: "--save-kernel will be renamed to --copy-kernel in mic" in later version of mic?14:54
Sagehowever if someone has even better suggestion feel free to suggest14:54
Sagesonach: yes mic (Different thing than mic2)14:55
sonachSage: but we usually use mic2 not mic, is that right?14:55
Stskeepsyes, but we're probably moving to 'mic' as recommended :)14:55
Sagesonach: mic2 isn't maintained anymore so you should probably change to mic at somepoint as well.14:55
Sagesonach: upstream is at
Stskeepswe'll be providing this in the mer platform sdk14:56
sonachSage: I just do "apt-get install mic"... So this is  mic2?14:56
Sagesonach: not sure about that, there should be --version in the cmdline14:57
Sagewith mic it just says 0.x14:57
sonachmic-image-creator --version:  0.24.1414:58
lbtnotice links to "mic installation", explanation of stupid naming and links to git repos etc14:58
lbt(missing links that is :)14:58
Sagesonach: that is mic214:59
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lbt<sarcasm> as the 0.24 version clearly shows </sarcasm>    :D14:59
Sagehow much lag there is on ?14:59
Sagelbt: ;)15:00
StskeepsSage: ~half hour15:00
sonachOK. Maybe I should download mic's src from git and build it on my own:)15:00
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lbtsonach: not usually a good idea15:01
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Sagelbt: well in case of mic I have seen that as the best idea always, but well depends how well you know the content :)15:02
lbtyeah, but it's insanely hard for us to support15:02
lbtthe correct solution (which we're working on) is for Mer to have a proper platform SDK and Tools repository.15:02
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Sagelbt: :nod:15:04
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* Stskeeps ponders idly on 'apt' in devel:tools:building on build.meego.com15:54
Stskeepsno, i will not package ruby bindings..15:55
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Stskeepslbt: ping16:39
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Stskeepslbt: want a chroot with a draft 'platform sdk' (mic, osc, etc)?16:40
Stskeepsjust to try it out16:40
lbt.ks ?16:40
Stskeepsworks too, sec16:42
lbt(quicker download here :) ... still at 1.5mb)16:42
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lbthey Alison_Chaiken16:43
Alison_ChaikenHey lbt.   How long we getting to use MeeGo OBS?   Should I get a personal OBS?16:43
lbtAlison_Chaiken: unknown at the moment16:44
lbtwe're planning on putting up a Mer c.obs16:44
lbtI'm talking to people16:44
lbtStefan has offered to provide some HW16:44
Alison_ChaikenYou can ge a personal OBS though, right?16:44
lbtsure ...16:44
Alison_ChaikenI mean at OpenSUSE's site?16:45
Alison_ChaikenLike Launchpad has?16:45
lbtdamn he's quick today16:45
Stskeepslbt: i have useful information enabled by F1..F1016:46
* lbt usually has the tab open - ETOOMANYTABS though16:46
lbtI'm hoping that$concept will work16:47
lbt does16:47
lbtso that works for mic, mic2, spectacle, spec, image16:47
lbtand kickstart and kernel16:48
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lbtkernel config checker
lbtkernel config checker
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* Stskeeps is reading up on MIPS architectures and ABIs19:46
Stskeepsi think i understand why the rt-rk people did a o32 ABI port now19:48
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Stskeepsalmost no STBs use 64-bit processors19:49
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Stskeepsand N32 abi doesn't work on 32-bit19:49
Stskeepsdespite it's name19:49
* lbt doesn't know whether to laugh or cry :)19:50
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StskeepsABIs == crazy stuff19:51
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vgradelbt, checker looking good21:14
lbtyeah ... a bit tricky to get parsing to work21:14
lbtgood enough thogh21:15
vgradedid you stick in the PA3 meeting21:15
lbtseemed not to be something I could contribute too21:16
vgrademostly focused on PA3 features, a little bit on system integration21:17
lbtyeah ... UI level21:17
vgradeI proposed a task of getting more device support as they only run on exo/wetab and a couple of tegra tablets atm21:18
vgradetasks have gone to mailing list for discussion21:18
vgradealso a task of systemd work21:18
vgradeI don't think they have done anything to port things to systemd21:19
vgradestartup/shutdowm,sleep etc21:19
lbtI See21:19
w00twith a capital S21:21
w00tfor emphaSis21:21
vgradethey have a task which schdules things on startup which should really be done by systemd I think.  They are mostly working against the MeeGo 1.2 sysv stuff but there is talk about moving over to Mer exclusively21:21
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Sagevgrade: can systemd support services that are started by user? Mainly meaning that UX level stuff should mainly run as user not as root and I'm not sure if systemd can do that21:36
lbtit can run things that do "su"21:37
lbtbut I guess "logged in user" is hard21:37
lbtalso you'd lose any .profile environment21:38
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w00tSage: isn't that what uxlaunch is for?21:38
lbtw00t: where's the uxlaunch manpage?21:39
w00tdoes mer have manpages?21:40
w00tanyway, I think there's one in the source tree21:40
lbtwe really should have an equivalent, yes21:41
jonnor_workSage, systemd can also be used as a session manager21:42
lbtphaeron: here :)21:46
phaeronlbt: ok uploading the files to obs21:47
lbtso I want to keep the kernel .spec simple21:47
lbtthe downside is 1 package : 1 kernel rpm21:47
lbtso to make a joggler HA and a kvm HA and a nook HA we need 3 packages in the obs21:47
lbtkernel-adaptation-{nook,joggler,kvm} ...21:48
lbtthe .spec should be the same though21:48
lbtthe yaml and the .config will vary21:49
lbtthe issue is to change the .spec to keep it in sync21:50
lbtany ideas?21:50
lbtwe build-depend on mer-check-kernel21:50
lbtthe .spec can have a template version #21:50
lbtand we can put that in the BR and compare and complain21:50
lbtyeah, I like it21:51
phaeronthat doesn't solve the multiple packages issue21:51
lbtno - but it alerts you to being out of sync21:51
lbtand it can be set to error21:51
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lbtthe /usr/bin/mer_verify_kernel_spec is part of mer-check-kernel package and it'll put a sane message out21:54
phaeronwell it's a good idea. should save some time by failing early21:56
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csdblbt, the way we solved multiple kernels is by having a separate file which gets included by the specfile22:06
csdbthis file is a config file that just picks the kernel target to be built22:06
lbtI thought about it22:06
csdbthat way the specfile is the same across multiple pkgs, just the .cfg file changes22:06
lbtdo we really need multiple kernels built for one package?22:06
csdbwe don't. 1 kernel == 1 package22:07
csdbbecause we have a number of internal variants, having 1 pkg for all kernels doesn't scale22:07
csdbwe started with that and migrated away from it22:08
lbtso kernel-adaptation-{nook,joggler,kvm}22:08
lbt(just to be clear)22:08
csdbsure :)22:09
lbtso the problem I see is that the yaml may vary22:09
lbteg ARM has a BR on uboot-panda-*22:09
lbtx86 doesn't22:09
lbtthat directly changes the .spec22:10
lbtbut only the 'autogen' part22:10
csdbbut you can have %if in the specfile that gets triggered by the target22:10
lbtI'm looking for a way to keep the non-autogen up to date22:10
lbtyou can22:10
lbtbut also Mer has no kernels22:10
lbtso we ship a suggested packaging out22:11
lbtand try to make life easy22:11
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lbthave a quick look at the spec and yaml22:11
lbtquite tiny really22:11
phaeronwhy is the bootstrap done from meego22:11
lbtcsdb: and I want to avoid complexity for the "getting going" phase too :)22:12
lbtphaeron: bug22:12
* csdb never got into spectacle22:12
lbtcsdb: yeah ... Stskeeps likes it and I'm not unhappy with it22:12
csdbunderstood, but how does this fit with the kernel adaptions ?22:13
lbtit's a bit lacking in conditionals22:13
csdbDo you want the sample to support multiple targets?22:13
lbthowever we may improve the .spec22:13
csdbsomeone can certainly pick up the sample and tweak it for 1 target and be done22:13
lbteg we're going to start using a 'get_verison_from_changes' macro22:14
csdbis that what people will be doing, or will most people be using > 1 target?22:14
lbtI expect 1 or 222:14
lbtnot 1022:14
lbtbut I want to notify people that "hey, there's another version of the boilerplate"22:14
csdbIf most are going to use > 1 target, then maybe it's better to have a more complex sample that can deal with configurable packages per target22:14
lbtwe actually don't know22:14
csdbok, then I think the simple sample is the way to go22:15
lbtand this script allows us to notify people of changes22:15
lbtbut it's not massively intrusive22:15
csdbbut you might even want to make your sample already have the target_hw on everywhere that matters22:15
csdbsuch as Name:22:15
lbtName *defines* target_hw22:16
lbtat the moment22:16
csdb ahhh22:16
lbtline 6522:16
csdbso if you wanted to create 2 targets, you'd copy kernel-adaptation-sample pkg to e.g. kernel-adaption-target1 pkg, rename all files to kernel-adaptation-target1, edit kernel-adaption1-target1.yaml to change the Name: line and hope for the best22:19
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lbtand I do that and it works for arm and x8622:19
csdband then if you want to do a 2nd one, you have to do the same sequence again22:20
lbtwhich is essentially osc copypac A B22:20
lbtso not hard22:20
csdbwell, there is file renaming involved which copypac won't take care of22:20
csdbmaybe just drop the -sample from the yaml and spec files22:21
lbtspectacle :)22:21
lbtI think22:21
lbtI may check that22:21
csdbok .yaml, .spec, .config and .changes files all have kernel-adaption-sample basename22:21
lbtit uses the Name:22:22
lbtthis is a spectacle requirement22:22
* csdb still doesn't like spectacle22:22
* lbt is not a fan but this is a few minutes easy shell work for something that's about to take hours and hours of .config hacking :)22:23
lbtso optimising it too much is not useful22:23
csdbnot a big deal if 1 or 222:23
lbtand if you have more... feel free to do your own thing22:23
lbtand we can offer that as a complex-sample too22:24
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lbtin the chroot ?22:41
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phaeronI mixed up bz2 with gz22:42
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phaeronlbt: missing a step on how to add the kernel repo to the ks ?22:44
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lbtStskeeps: for the am .. wondering about making some kind of mer-config.rpm ... combining meego-rpm-config mer-kickstarter-configs and my mer-kernel-check ...  keeps the package count down and given it's all managed in git and even a bit related it may make sense23:32
IsoIs Mer ready for my ExoPC or not? I mean, ready for a daily use, without hacks?23:39
lbtIso: you misunderstand Mer23:40
lbtMer is a base platform for use by vendors to build products23:40
IsoOh, my bad.23:41
lbtthere are 2 doing ExoPC work23:41
IsoWhat should I use then?23:41
lbtNemo and PlasmaActive23:41
lbtand neither is ready for "average consumers" yet23:41
IsoDo you have a preference for one?23:41
IsoWhat is missing?23:41
lbtNemo comes from the MeeGo community space and focuses on handset23:42
lbtPA is more kde/tablety23:42
lbtboth are worth a look but only if you want to get your hands dirty23:42
lbt#nemomobile and #active are the chans you want23:43
IsoThat’s neat, thanks (:23:43
lbtnp .. have fun23:43
IsoBut then I have another question, what OS should I use for my tablet?23:43
lbtthose are both based on Mer23:43
IsoGot that, but what if I want something relatively stable?23:44
lbtno clue - some normal distro?23:44
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IsoStable and tablet-friendly : d23:46
IsoI tried Ubuntu, Arch and Android (Vega v2 x86 build) so far23:47
IsoArch with KDE, because I was not able to build KDE Contour on it… for some mysterious reasons.23:47
IsoAnd MeeGo, of course.23:47
lbtI honestly don't know - it depends what your needs are23:48
lbtif you just want to rowse the web then Nemo/PA are fine23:49
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IsoYes, that kind of stuff…23:49
IsoI’ll give it a loo.k23:49
IsoThanks (:23:49
lbtif you don't find what you want then you have to help make it happen :D23:50
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IsoI know that!23:50
IsoBut I’m not sure to be good enough to help…23:51
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lbtthat's rarely a problem if you *want* to help and you don't mind hard work23:51
lbtget Nemo or PA installed and see what you think23:52
phaerongiving the kernel config a spin23:52
lbtcool - bear in mind the provided sample is for Joggler23:53
phaeronyeah I toggled a lot of stuff23:54
phaeronadded a make oldconfig in the prep section ..23:54
lbtdon't do that23:55
IsoWhy is there 3 different images for PA? Mer, Meego and Balsam?23:55
Isoare there*23:55
lbtgo into the chroot and make menu/oldconfig23:55
lbtthen copy that out23:55
lbtmake sure you have an export ARCH=x8623:56
phaeronlbt: I did , still complains about needing oldconfig23:56
lbtit kinda can't23:56
lbtif it does then your chroot ENV != build ENV23:56
lbtand that's bad23:57
lbtIso: PA builds on all 3 - I think they may move to just Mer - not sure23:57
IsoOk, gotta try Mer then23:58
IsoThank you so much lbt!23:58
phaeronmm I skipped the x86 because I want 64bit kernel.. (can run 32bit userspace). and then osc build forces 32bit so options change ?23:59

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