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| juhi24 | tried to install nemo on my n900 today. no luck. uboot boots to maemo. rewrote the image a couple of times on kingston class 10 8Gt microsd. where to start troubleshooting | 00:47 |
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| juhi24 | ? | 00:48 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing ? | 00:50 |
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| lbt | ah | 00:51 |
| lbt | that's your comment at the bottom | 00:51 |
| lbt | it sounds like the card doesn't have the image on it correctly | 00:51 |
| lbt | also try #nemomobile | 00:52 |
| lbt | but it's 1am here and -> bed I'm afraid | 00:52 |
| juhi24 | ok ty for the tips. tried rewriting tho. good night | 00:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 05:31 |
| sonach | Good afternoon! | 05:32 |
| berndhs | ok i say for a bit before i go to sleep | 05:33 |
| berndhs | look at http://www.google.com for interesting non-disclosure | 05:33 |
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| plate | is it a joke that the document isnt openable | 05:40 |
| plate | i had to copy the PDF link out of the querystring and wget it | 05:40 |
| plate | ad then its blank | 05:40 |
| plate | i cant tell if its gfail + evince fuckin gup as it likes to do | 05:40 |
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| plate | given theres a thumbnail of an inforaphic, it seems like theyd want it clickable? | 05:41 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, on a more on-topic matter, i'm planning on a prerelease of Mer this morning | 05:41 |
| plate | is there an image i can DD mer onto a SD card and pop in my n900 or what | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | usually you'd do that with nemo | 05:42 |
| plate | im realyl sick of maemo being so detached from manmline debian sid | 05:42 |
| plate | ok , i'll google nemo | 05:42 |
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| plate | (if google isnt shutdown due to SOPA or so) | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org/Nemo | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | and be aware that mer isn't derived from debian | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:42 |
| plate | well, i despise rpm, and QT | 05:42 |
| plate | so thats why i havent bothered with mer so far | 05:42 |
| plate | gimme paludis or pacman, and if nothing else, apt/dpkg | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 05:43 |
| * Stskeeps gets coffee | 05:43 | |
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| plate | most of my maemo/n900 probs seems intractable though. proprietary driver taht will never be fixed | 05:43 |
| plate | stuff like if the GPS app is open, FM radio craps out every 30 seconsd or so | 05:44 |
| plate | and all sorts of bizarre VOIP bugs, but i tried Ekiga and that was even worse. so i guess i'll live with them | 05:44 |
| plate | all my depising of rpm was due to trying red hat once in 1996. mayvbe its nowhere near as aggravating today what iwht 15 years of potential bugfixes | 05:44 |
| Stskeeps | it seems a lot more saner today, yes | 05:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i've used both and i like the way meego derived systems do rpm packaging | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's not as insane as i've seen it around the place | 05:47 |
| wmarone_ | hmm | 05:47 |
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| wmarone_ | when did redhat introduce yum? | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 05:48 |
| berndhs | 90s sometime | 05:49 |
| plate | i was additinally trying it on mklinux kernel on 6100 powermac. so dep-hell was amplified by the nonexistence of binaries to begin with | 05:49 |
| plate | my favorite bug was the HD was constantly clicking due to some 1000ms stat() of something not on a tmpfs and not cached | 05:50 |
| plate | seemed to be two locations exactly on each side of the hd's platter | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | i find that most opinions about either rpm or deb is because people tried it 10 years ago and hated either one | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | i hated debian originally :P | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | but nowadays i do both | 05:50 |
| plate | i still do | 05:50 |
| plate | /var/lib/dpkg/status is a monolithic pile parsed by a hodgepodge of ancient utilities and regex | 05:51 |
| plate | at least gentoo uses a series of directories and files to store its package manaagement state | 05:51 |
| berndhs | i tried the OCTA bus #89 few days ago, is nice, decent latency | 05:51 |
| plate | wouldnt even mind SQLite at this point | 05:51 |
| * Stskeeps hopes the new linker hash style helps some things | 05:53 | |
| plate | any bus errors, berndhs | 05:53 |
| berndhs | deb and rpm is both real messy, for similar stupid reasons, rpm less so | 05:53 |
| berndhs | the only bus error was a guy in a wheelchair who was slightly confused | 05:54 |
| berndhs | but south end of OCTA 89 is a nice place | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | since the mail-archive is offline due to protesting PIPA/SOPA, http://pastie.org/3205714 is the changelog of the latest mer prerelease | 05:56 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: What do you mean by "mail-archive is offline"? I can see your email of Mer prelrelease. | 06:09 |
| beford | the website | 06:10 |
| sonach | "mail.google.com" is OK, and "www.google.com.hk" is OK, too... | 06:10 |
| beford | http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00126.html | 06:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: there is a law under discussion in the US that seeks to enable censorship, people are protesting it by making their websites go offline today, and www.mail-archive.com is one of them, which hosts our mailing lists | 06:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: just explaining what i meant, i don't want to have political discussions here :) | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok, it doesn't host our mailing lists, it hosts our mailing list archive, that is | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, guys: the community OBS has been updated with the new prerelease | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully it doesn't break things | 06:16 |
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| sonach | I see:) | 06:18 |
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| niqt | morn | 07:30 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:36 |
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| dcthang | morning, this bug is not fixed still? https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9 | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's partially fixed, and that bug is better discussed in #nemomobile | 07:47 |
| slaine | morning all | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 07:49 |
| * slaine runs make update on mervm | 07:49 | |
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| Stskeeps | morn veskuh | 07:52 |
| veskuh | Morning | 07:52 |
| w00t | moin veskuh | 08:04 |
| veskuh | hi w00t | 08:04 |
| w00t | :) | 08:05 |
| w00t | how's things? | 08:05 |
| veskuh | Normal stuff, it was nice meeting you yesterday. | 08:08 |
| matrixx | nice meeting you two yesterday ;) | 08:10 |
| w00t | indeed | 08:11 |
| w00t | it was a good night, shame i had to leave so early | 08:11 |
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| w00t | i was absolutely exhausted by the time i got back home :P | 08:11 |
| veskuh | matrixx: interesting stuff on the meetup, I will try to attend more often in future. | 08:11 |
| matrixx | veskuh: glad you liked, I hope we can start having qt meetups monthly | 08:12 |
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| matrixx | w00t: almost everyone left after the first beer :) | 08:13 |
| * w00t made a chain effect? :( | 08:14 | |
| matrixx | possibly :P | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_ | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: new mer prerelease, please report any problems :) | 08:18 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 08:20 |
| mdfe_ | cool qt-4.8 :) | 08:22 |
| w00t | (if it breaks, it totally isn't my fault) | 08:23 |
| mdfe_ | hehe | 08:23 |
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| plate | u | 08:53 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | morn Termana | 09:00 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: ping | 09:29 |
| mdfe_ | pong | 09:29 |
| mdfe_ | what a overhead to send a submit request.... | 09:30 |
| Sage | mdfe_: well it is not packaged correctly | 09:30 |
| mdfe_ | meh | 09:30 |
| Sage | mdfe_: more content of %changes from .spec to less.changes | 09:31 |
| mdfe_ | i see | 09:31 |
| Sage | mdfe_: and check http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Adding_repositories | 09:31 |
| mdfe_ | that check_has_valid_repo is also scary | 09:32 |
| mdfe_ | that check_has_valid_repo check is also scary | 09:32 |
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| mdfe_ | sorry I'm running out of time | 09:34 |
| mdfe_ | meh | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | what is it we're running through the submission process? | 09:37 |
| mdfe_ | adding new repos is works fine on a project, but not removing if someone link against | 09:38 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: sounds good to me | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:41 |
| lbt | morning | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:43 |
| lbt | started to put docs onto the wiki | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 09:45 |
| lbt | morning phaeron | 09:45 |
| phaeron | morning | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: so what issues are you having? | 10:22 |
| timoph | can't get the mer toolchain working | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, show me errors/steps? | 10:22 |
| timoph | not on that machine now :( | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | well, when you are ;) | 10:22 |
| timoph | it didn't find some library that can't remember right now | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:23 |
| timoph | and a lot of mapping eroors | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Sage, lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Astskeeps%3Atools | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: i've cherrypicked some of the stuff from your tools dir, will integrate into core likely | 10:28 |
| lbt | core? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we can't do it any other way | 10:28 |
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| lbt | why? | 10:29 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: which ones :) | 10:29 |
| * lbt waits for emacs in core | 10:29 | |
| timoph | where was the cross compiler package? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: long story short: core needs to build it's own kickstart files, 2) people will build against core, not against tools when making their own kickstarter configurations and kickstart files | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | so that's the rationale | 10:31 |
| lbt | mmm | 10:31 |
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| Stskeeps | you know me, i'm picky about ought to go into core and what shouldn't | 10:31 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:31 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what needs those python things kickstarter? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: right | 10:32 |
| Sage | that seems a bit much but not possible | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok, we can drop python-urlgrabber it looks like | 10:33 |
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| phaeron | I am leaning towards building config packages in separate project hierarchy. | 10:33 |
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| phaeron | if you really want to have the resulting rpms in core repo then aggregate it | 10:34 |
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| timoph | make | 10:34 |
| * timoph fail | 10:35 | |
| lbt | I don't think the kickstarts should be in core | 10:35 |
| phaeron | brb coffee :) | 10:35 |
| lbt | mobile devices don't need to self-host | 10:35 |
| lbt | isn't this where the SDK comes in? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, the kickstarts will have to go into the release directory structure, which means, i have to be able to find them from somewhere | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | and they have to match exactly what the core contains | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | mobile devices don't need to self-host, right, but currently, the core does need to | 10:36 |
| lbt | to the ks level? | 10:37 |
| lbt | the directory thing.... sounds a bit of a red-herring | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | that, or i install mer-kickstarter on the release generation host. | 10:38 |
| lbt | it feels like we need a way to release which includes generated ks | 10:38 |
| lbt | kinda, yes | 10:38 |
| lbt | although I think BOSS type stuff would work too | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | by that logic, package groups shouldn't be part of the core either, and no, we don't have BOSS for this right now | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | this is the practical solution right now, what people should focus on is the kickstarter configs | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | not the kickstarts | 10:39 |
| lbt | I think the mer-ks-configs belong in core | 10:40 |
| lbt | just to be clear | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 10:40 |
| lbt | as do the pkg groups | 10:40 |
| lbt | just because we *can* build ks | 10:40 |
| lbt | doesn't mean we have to ... does it? | 10:40 |
| lbt | at least ,.. | 10:41 |
| lbt | it should be totally reproducable outside our release process | 10:41 |
| Sage | I agree with lbt that we shouldn't put those to core. But also we need to distribute those with releases. So how about making one extra dir level to release structure? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | no, but since we don't have the alternatives right now..? | 10:41 |
| lbt | whereas the mer-ks-config isn' | 10:41 |
| lbt | t | 10:41 |
| Sage | Core & Tools e.g. | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: it is going there, unpacked from the rpm | 10:41 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'm also happy with a pragmatic solution and a bug to remove them | 10:42 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ? | 10:42 |
| lbt | sage I thought that | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ie, release script will make a kickstarts/ dir with the contents of the rpm | 10:42 |
| lbt | Sage: we could have "authoritative" and "convenience" | 10:43 |
| lbt | ks and things are convenience and can be made from authoritative | 10:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: in what dir would that go? | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.0.1/kickstarts/ probably | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | and then eventually /images/ for the built tar.gz'es | 10:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3206672 | 10:45 |
| Sage | or something | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 10:45 |
| Sage | that builds dir is a bit confusing IMO :) | 10:46 |
| * lbt thinks we should aim to split core and tools releases too | 10:46 | |
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| Sage | IMO it would be clearer to release them both at the same time, but I can see why you would want to split those as well. | 10:49 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: does mic support bootstrapping from two repos? | 10:50 |
| Sage | so my suggestion would be release simultaneously for now and when there is need separate. | 10:50 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: If it doesn't we should make it so that it does | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:51 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: otherwise core will be bloated a lot | 10:51 |
| lbt | yes, I'd be happy to co-release Tools with core and say which Tools core was built with ... which also permits split releases later | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | core wouldn't need to be built with tools, it's reverse, tools build against core | 10:51 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: :nod: | 10:52 |
| lbt | mmmm was thinking of code relases.... | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | eventually i'd like to split core onto toolchain and core, but that's something else | 10:52 |
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| lbt | and that was what I was thinking too | 10:53 |
| lbt | that the toolchain would be quite static | 10:53 |
| lbt | so nm | 10:53 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well I would like to see Qt separeted from Core but well I see the point keeping it there as well ;) | 10:53 |
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| Sage | lately qt has bloated the core a lot and will increase in size later on more I guess. | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok, anyway, i don't want to split core into core and tools at this particular moment, just before an actual release | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | and we need to get the procedure of deriving from our kickstarter configs going | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | so i can either 1) integrate all of those into core, 2) only integrate the kickstarter configs and then do the .ks building at release time manually | 10:57 |
| lbt | 2 | 10:57 |
| lbt | it's easier to automate | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | we also need to think about how nemo will build their .ks'es in that case | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | in which case 1) is easier | 10:58 |
| lbt | that's what sage is for... | 10:58 |
| lbt | (and me if I get my finger out....) | 10:58 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_an_image | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | so we agree tools would be what goes into platform sd? | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:02 |
| lbt | sounds right | 11:02 |
| lbt | I would very much like to outline "how to do it today" | 11:02 |
| lbt | and then work through moving that to the sdk | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | can we build about opensuse in cobs? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | against | 11:04 |
| lbt | yes | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:04 |
| lbt | and phaeron made it DoD which means no outages | 11:04 |
| phaeron | for debian and opensuse 11.4 there are toplevel targets that uses download on demand | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i'll go for 2) then | 11:06 |
| phaeron | instead of linking against opensuse.org , as they had problems over the weekend | 11:06 |
| phaeron | do we have other targets we care about ? | 11:06 |
| lbt | fedora | 11:06 |
| lbt | ubuntu | 11:06 |
| lbt | but I think the SDK will help a fair amount | 11:07 |
| * lbt looks sadly at empty coffee cup... | 11:07 | |
| phaeron | ok I'll setup those during the day | 11:07 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3206819 | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | can you try to install mpfr? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | also, how did you sb2-init | 11:24 |
| timoph | I did - didn't help | 11:24 |
| timoph | sb2-init -c /home/timoph/bin/sb2/bin/qemu-arm mersb2 /opt/cross/bin/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 -m emulate | 11:25 |
| * timoph tries | 11:25 | |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120120.0.1/builds/armv7hl/packages/i586/cross-armv7hl-gcc-4.6.3-1.1.i586.rpm is a proper armv7hl gcc btw | 11:27 |
| timoph | /bin/bash: gcc: command not found | 11:27 |
| timoph | different error at least :) | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok, progress | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l /usr/lib/libmpfr* | 11:27 |
| timoph | so.4 | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | good reason why we need platform sdk :P | 11:28 |
| timoph | yeah | 11:28 |
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| timoph | hmmh. 'sb2 -eR zypper ref' works though | 11:44 |
| timoph | so seems it's the compiler that doesn't work | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | might be, or the mapping | 11:46 |
| timoph | actually I'd guess mapping | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, compiler not being self-contained is probably a reason | 11:46 |
| timoph | any ideas on how to move forward? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | brewing on the platform sdk tools set as a start | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | then we can build .ks'es for it | 11:49 |
| timoph | making it a package group, etc? | 11:50 |
| timoph | is there a list of the needed tools somewhere? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and having the cross compilers installed in it | 11:51 |
| lbt | Can we please have the SDK built from a description of what it is and not vice-versa :) | 11:52 |
| timoph | :) | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:53 |
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| lbt | just mentioning that the order of things should produce some docs/spec before a ks | 11:55 |
| slaine | from experience, get the requirements documented and agreed first | 11:55 |
| lbt | not a full on pdf report .... just an outline :) | 11:55 |
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| timoph | hence my questiong "is there a list of needed things somewhere" :). If not we need to create it to the wiki and start filling it | 11:56 |
| * lbt -> dentist .... back later ... timoph ... I'd like to work on this with you too | 11:56 | |
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| lbt | timoph: see the log from the SDK meeting last week? | 11:57 |
| timoph | dentist... the old school boy excuse :p | 11:57 |
| lbt | *g* | 11:57 |
| timoph | lbt: I did (and was there at the meeting) | 11:57 |
| * lbt needs an ECC brain | 11:58 | |
| timoph | but yeah. I need to reread it since there's a couple of things the might need some clearing | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-i586-base.tar.gz is a good chroot start | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: fakeroot-1.12.4-22.3.i586.rpm in same dir and scratchbox2-2.3.19-19.3.i586.rpm | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | and 'mer' is the user | 12:16 |
| niqt | Sage: when i install connman i lost a connection and have "wifi is not avalialbel on this device" | 12:18 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: will try it later this evening | 12:18 |
| * timoph needs to do some paid work while sitting in the office for a change :p | 12:19 | |
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| Sage | niqt: well there might be bugs in that connman. | 12:32 |
| Sage | it should work fine though | 12:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: what was the story with python-zypp? | 14:28 |
| Sage | it was being merged to some other thing | 14:29 |
| Sage | o_0 harmattan says that password max lenght is 8 | 14:30 |
| Sage | when doing passwd developer | 14:30 |
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| lbt | phaeron: do we have an OBS build? in cobs? | 14:59 |
| phaeron | no | 14:59 |
| phaeron | not that I know of | 14:59 |
| lbt | OK - SR was talking about it | 14:59 |
| lbt | https://github.com/Merproject | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: happy birthday! | 15:39 |
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| harbaum | Tizen and Bada to merge ... Bada apps on Mer? Bada apps seem to be native arm code,so this might work to some extent | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes, from a RTOS of some kind | 16:11 |
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| harbaum | i walways like these "merge" things. In reality someone will hack some loader and a set of interface libs from ground up | 16:13 |
| harbaum | This aslways sounds as if you just take the source code of two operating systems, compile them together and that#s it | 16:14 |
| harbaum | for some reason i am unable to type "always" | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a nasty turf war, too | 16:16 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3ASample%3AHA | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 16:23 |
| lbt | I needed to tweak the config back to pre-patch levels | 16:23 |
| lbt | now I don't think we should support multi-arch in one package | 16:23 |
| lbt | just no need | 16:23 |
| lbt | but I do want a build in arm | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | why not, out of curiousity? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's just ARCH=arm vs not | 16:23 |
| lbt | extra .spec complexity to select the .config ? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | why? | 16:24 |
| lbt | and no, the CONFIG_ selections are different | 16:24 |
| lbt | eg look at https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kernel-adaptation-sample&project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3ASample%3AHA&repository=Mer_Core_armv7l | 16:24 |
| * Stskeeps isn't sure what you mean | 16:24 | |
| Stskeeps | well | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | in one package yes | 16:25 |
| lbt | yes | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | but in one template package | 16:25 |
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| lbt | now I don't think we should support multi-arch >>> in one package <<< | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | that i do agree | 16:25 |
| lbt | but I should upload another... with another .config *and no other changes* | 16:25 |
| lbt | that should build for aerm | 16:25 |
| lbt | agree? | 16:25 |
| lbt | but ... I'll copypac the kernel first | 16:26 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: also, whilst you're interrupted... :) | 16:27 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:About | 16:27 |
| lbt | click around a bit - see the 'about category guidelines' too | 16:28 |
| lbt | also see application in http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step which is (I think) shorter than it would be and sufficiently rich to be useful | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | eatinhg | 16:29 |
| lbt | np | 16:29 |
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| Julian__ | Hello everybody. I want to avoid asking any newbish questions, so can anybody point me to a place where I can find out if Nemo (on n900) is ready for everyday use (voice, sms, alarm)? | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 17:15 |
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| tpn | Stskeeps: That clears a few things up for me too :P | 17:36 |
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| n900-home | h-e-l-o)) | 17:41 |
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| n900-home | mm.. | 17:44 |
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| lbt | n900-home: I completely agree | 17:44 |
| n900-home | bot? | 17:45 |
| lbt | n900-home: I completely agree | 17:46 |
| n900-home | :D | 17:46 |
| n900-home | ok | 17:46 |
| lbt | hehe | 17:46 |
| n900-home | but if you remove the swap? | 17:46 |
| n900-home | =)) | 17:47 |
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| * n900-home ñëóøàåò: MC Zhan & DJ Riga @ radiorecord.fm. | 17:47 | |
| n900-home | Stskeeps | 17:47 |
| n900-home | ^( | 17:48 |
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| n900-home | http://vk.com/search?section=audio&c[q]=%D0%9C%D0%A1%20%D0%96%D0%B0%D0%BD%20%26amp%3B%20Dj%20Riga | 17:52 |
| n900-home | +1 | 17:52 |
| lbt | n900-home: no spamming please | 17:53 |
| n900-home | mm.. | 17:53 |
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| n900-home | no spam) | 17:53 |
| lbt | ok - I get an unreachable page on some kind of 'friends' site ... hard to tell :) | 17:54 |
| n900-home | -Ïåðåâîä-: <lbt> ùë - Ø ïóå ôò ãòêóôñðôèäó çôïó ùò ûùüó ëøòâ ùà ýàêøóòâûý ûøåó þþþ ðôêâ åù åóää Æ) | 17:54 |
| n900-home | he-he | 17:54 |
| n900-home | mm | 17:55 |
| n900-home | it is a social network .. Type of Twitter .... | 17:55 |
| lbt | ah, OK | 17:56 |
| n900-home | gg | 17:57 |
| n900-home | )) | 17:57 |
| n900-home | Want to hear the best dance tracks?) | 17:58 |
| lbt | really, no | 17:58 |
| n900-home | heh | 17:58 |
| n900-home | & | 17:58 |
| lbt | maybe try #meego-bar ? | 17:58 |
| n900-home | ? | 17:58 |
| lbt | more of a chat/OT area :) | 17:59 |
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| vgrade | there will be a Plasma Active 3 planning meeting tomorrow on #active 15:00 UTC. I will pop in | 18:07 |
| lbt | ta | 18:07 |
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| lbt | vgrade: so... emgd for the joggler... | 18:09 |
| lbt | for 2.6.38.4 | 18:09 |
| vgrade | can we do this later I need to taxi Alex to bowling? | 18:09 |
| lbt | np | 18:10 |
| vgrade | ping you later | 18:10 |
| lbt | :) | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lz | 18:20 |
| n900-home | î_Î | 18:20 |
| n900-home | alloha) | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | matrixx: http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/FOSDEM2012 | 18:31 |
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| matrixx | Stskeeps: nice, added myself there :) | 18:36 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3208898 line 4 is OK yet line 20 fails ... any ideas? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | stop having the rats eating your cables? seriously though, trigger a rebuild perhaps? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | looks like an old state perhps | 19:04 |
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| lbt | triggered rebuild... rebooted obs | 19:06 |
| lbt | and worker | 19:06 |
| lbt | hmm | 19:07 |
| lbt | I went in and changed the remotehost to fqdn ... http://pastie.org/3209066 | 19:08 |
| lbt | it's got the non-fqdn cached somewhere | 19:08 |
| * lbt decides a career in landscape gardening might be a good idea | 19:09 | |
| Stskeeps | sorry for not being too helpful, think i'm hitting a flu atm :P | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | so very slowly thinking | 19:10 |
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| lbt | bastard thing | 19:11 |
| lbt | osc rebuild .... same error | 19:11 |
| lbt | touch nothing; osc ar; osc ci .... works | 19:11 |
| lbt | osc rebuild seems to be not fully triggering a check | 19:12 |
| lbt | OK ... thanks for listening (and phaeron1 :) ) ... it helps when you can imagine what you'd suggest :) | 19:13 |
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| vgrade | lbt, http://pastie.org/3209172, I'll be back after dinner | 19:29 |
| lbt | ta | 19:29 |
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| tpn | tanghus: You can help me pick a theme now (and anyone else of course) : http://ace.ajax.org/build/kitchen-sink.html | 20:09 |
| tpn | urgh -.- wrong room _again_ | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, cool though | 20:09 |
| tpn | lol unintented plug honest | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | you should see the editors for the OBS, little bit of human-computer interaction trainining i had makes the cringe | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | er, makes me cringe | 20:11 |
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| slaine | came across dawati this evening | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | dawati? | 20:30 |
| slaine | http://dawati.org/ | 20:30 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 20:30 | |
| slaine | moblin/meego ux | 20:31 |
| slaine | continued | 20:31 |
| slaine | wondering what it means for tizen netbook | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 20:31 |
| slaine | tizen clearly mentioned | 20:31 |
| slaine | however, searching for dawati on tizen site is empty | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | well it's good if they can get rid of the trademark stuff | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | it looks like it uses gtk+3 as well | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | so that's a step up from meego | 20:35 |
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| slaine | all the same people at the open hand lab too by the looks of github | 20:36 |
| slaine | might make an interesting netbook ux for mer | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | it might, for those who's interested | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | we already have one gtk+ based ux, so | 20:37 |
| slaine | we do ? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | cordia | 20:37 |
| slaine | oh right | 20:38 |
| slaine | haven't seen anything on that in ages, forgot about it | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | as long as i don't have to include the full gnome stack or gtk+ into mer core, anyone can do whatever they want :) | 20:38 |
| slaine | hehe | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | saw the work we're doing on making images easier to design? | 20:39 |
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| slaine | I saw yourself and lbt start to discuss it but I was very busy today so didn't keep a close eye on it | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-kickstarter-configs/ -- mer/ is the stuff people inherit from, mer-reference-images is an example configuration | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | ks/ is generated .ks'es (that version is buggy) | 20:40 |
| slaine | yeah, was looking at the kickstarter files yesterday actually | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | one of anas's tools modified a bit | 20:41 |
| slaine | I've manually created my kickstart files upto now | 20:41 |
| slaine | does yaml automate that ? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:41 |
| slaine | nice | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | and ability for us to modify something in our base configurations too | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | the goal is to be able to do off-the-shelf kind of feeling, ie, pick this hardware adaptation from this vendor, this ux from another, customize a bit.. | 20:45 |
| slaine | very nice | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | also to provide generic mer .ks'es along with releases | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | something we used to have :P | 20:46 |
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| norayr | Besides, I missed the reaction on released tizen sources. Do you think (sitll) it is feasible to sync with them? | 20:47 |
| slaine | bbiab | 20:48 |
| norayr | Also, it seems they miss some components like qt | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | not surprised | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's a efl+html5 stack | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm waiting until at least their beta before i comment on the architecture in a blog post or something like that | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | also because there seems to be possibly two different stacks, one that's SLP (deb) based, another that's RPM based | 20:48 |
| norayr | wow | 20:49 |
| norayr | interesting | 20:49 |
| norayr | nice | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | so, i don't have a huge interest in syncing on packaging when we're RPM vs DEB, but i think the app story (html5) still makes sense | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | and that's something that'd be valuable to share | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | but the actual released stack that's published right now, besides the web runtime? i would have to be paid double than what i am normally paid, in order to make a tizen product | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | so i'll let you conclude from there what i think about it | 20:51 |
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| norayr | յմմմ | 20:53 |
| norayr | hmmm | 20:53 |
| vgrade | lbt ping | 20:53 |
| lbt | hey vgrade | 20:53 |
| vgrade | links any use? | 20:53 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: is u-boot usually HW specific? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: typically yes | 20:54 |
| lbt | been browsing them but doing kernel HA for arm | 20:54 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK - ta | 20:54 |
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| lbt | vgrade: the std emgd built here | 20:55 |
| lbt | bbiab though | 20:55 |
| vgrade | np | 20:56 |
| slaine | me too, kids bed times | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | hello mee_ | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl | 21:18 |
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| slaine | meh, late, off to bed | 22:14 |
| slaine | catch you tomorrow | 22:14 |
| lbt | o/ | 22:14 |
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