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| lbt | so.... ssh into joggler now works... need to do some work on default CONFIG_ settings... things like FAT codepages need to be 'y' as /boot is mounted early before modules | 00:39 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 05:45 |
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| _av500_ | mer-ges haha | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 06:22 |
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| sonach | StsKeeps: Congratulations for bootstrapping of Mer! I think we will register as an interest group sometime later:) | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | cool :) | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 07:32 |
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| Sage | Anyone want to help with testing of following update combo: systemd, udev, util-linux, libkmod ? https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl | 08:26 |
| niqt | can i test on n900? | 08:27 |
| Sage | sure, I have tested on N900 and wetab those and it seems to work. But I would like to get more testing for them as it is quite extensive update. | 08:28 |
| niqt | how i can test? How to do a test? | 08:28 |
| niqt | also i have wetab | 08:28 |
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| Sage | niqt: install the proper repository to device and update udev and systemd e.g., n900 http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sage:/branches:/Mer:/fake:/Core:/armv7hl/Mer_Core_armv7hl/home%3asage%3abranches%3aMer%3afake%3aCore%3aarmv7hl.repo | 08:40 |
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| niqt | i can to do at 22:00 (italy time, now 9:44) i have microsd at home. is for you ok? | 08:45 |
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| Sage | niqt: anything is ok for me :) | 08:53 |
| Sage | Just would like to get comments if someone can see any problems with those :) | 08:53 |
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| phaeron | lbt: created openSUSE:11.4 using download on demand | 09:12 |
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| niqt | phareon, use you opensuse how linux distro? | 09:22 |
| phaeron | niqt: no I use debian , but I build the MINT tools for both debian and opensuse | 09:22 |
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| phaeron | however I use it on some servers :) | 09:23 |
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| niqt | ah ok | 09:28 |
| niqt | i use kubuntu, but lately it does not seem suitable for developers | 09:30 |
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| phaeron | too old ? | 09:32 |
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| niqt | kubuntu 11.10 | 09:37 |
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| lbt | phaeron: cool - thanks | 10:05 |
| phaeron | lbt: if there are other static target we care about tell me | 10:14 |
| lbt | fedora and ubuntu | 10:14 |
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| mdfe_ | stskeepsie: hi, are maintenance jobs in progress on http://releases.merproject.org/releases/? | 10:48 |
| mdfe_ | Error 403 | 10:48 |
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| mdfe_ | stskeepsie: Its working again | 10:50 |
| stskeepsie | i wouldn't call it a scheduled maintainence job | 10:51 |
| stskeepsie | :P | 10:51 |
| mdfe_ | *g* | 10:51 |
| stskeepsie | lbt: busy? | 10:56 |
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| lbt | stskeepsie: was... back now | 11:06 |
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| stskeepsie | lbt: ok, any good ideas why vlan110 doesn't get automatically ifup'ed? | 11:08 |
| lbt | on ? | 11:08 |
| stskeepsie | monster | 11:08 |
| stskeepsie | i just had a hardware lockup on it, kernel was active but rest was stalled | 11:08 |
| stskeepsie | had to reset it | 11:08 |
| lbt | I'll look | 11:08 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: see the last 2 commits https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter/commits/master | 12:07 |
| Sage | So now it is possible to define repository option globally in .yaml and by repository in repos.yaml | 12:09 |
| Sage | also getting rid of the meego gpg stuff that has haunted nemo long time :) | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i did that already (repository option) | 12:10 |
| Sage | oh, | 12:11 |
| Sage | didn't see it in http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-kickstarter-configs/ | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/stskeeps-kickstarter-patches.patch.txt | 12:13 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: dude, you should really do that as parts with git commits :) | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | mmm | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:21 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: seen this before with armv7hl http://pastie.org/3200948 | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, CFLAGS being set to -mfloat-abi=softfp somewhere | 12:23 |
| Sage | ah | 12:24 |
| Sage | this new systemd logging thing is quite nice | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 12:28 |
| Sage | not limited by dmesg size anymore :) | 12:28 |
| Sage | or flooding the dmesg | 12:29 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: how can I see this log? | 12:29 |
| lbt | Sage: it moves away from dmesg? | 12:30 |
| Sage | systemd-journalctl is in systemd 38+ | 12:30 |
| lbt | so I guess my netconsole isn't as useful ? | 12:30 |
| Sage | lbt: yes away from dmesg | 12:30 |
| mdfe_ | by the way, PA do not crash anymore with secfault for x86 mer | 12:32 |
| lbt | and I was just being impressed last night at how useful that was | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: on exopc for instance? | 12:33 |
| mdfe_ | yepp | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: we found a bug in the configuration of -mtev on exopc | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | it crashed left and right :) | 12:33 |
| lbt | accelerometer issue? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, evdev vs mtev | 12:33 |
| * lbt waits .... | 12:33 | |
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| Stskeeps | trying multitouch on our qt xinput2 solution for multitouch with evdev will make qt apps crash as evdev delivers faulty input | 12:34 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: great catch | 12:34 |
| mdfe_ | at the moment I build xorg-x11-drv-mtev on my own for mer | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: yes, use the one in the x86 adaptation in CE: | 12:36 |
| Sage | http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/tmp/nemo-bug-udev-process-spawn.log <- can someone see something that could be fixed? :) | 12:36 |
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| mdfe_ | do you already have a patch? | 12:36 |
| Sage | mdfe_: any change you could use the CE:Adaptation:x86-generic? Would be nice to hut bugs together and not do duplciated job :/ | 12:36 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: for x86 image a already take your project | 12:37 |
| mdfe_ | but it is also needed for PA on arm | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it doesn't matter for arm | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's just a configuration issue | 12:37 |
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| mdfe_ | ? | 12:38 |
| mdfe_ | why it doesn matter for arm? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | it didn't choose the right driver in xorg.conf | 12:38 |
| Sage | mdfe_: can I pm? Have time to chat about OBS projects? | 12:38 |
| mdfe_ | sure | 12:39 |
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| vgrade | mdfe_, I thought the x86 crash on PA was due to a patch which was being applied which was incompat with the newer Qt | 13:00 |
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| vgrade | mdfe_, sec, for link | 13:01 |
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| mdfe_ | vgrade: hi, can we talk later? I'm in a important discussion at the moment | 13:02 |
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| vgrade | mdfe_, no probs, link, http://pastie.org/3201133 | 13:07 |
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| vgrade | nice comments from the #active ml | 13:20 |
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| slaine | vgrade: thanks for reposting | 13:28 |
| vgrade | np, reposted to mer-general | 13:30 |
| slaine | nod | 13:30 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: FYI: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 | 13:41 |
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| mdfe_ | vgrade: hi, I'm very happy to get PA running on X86 mer! | 14:18 |
| lbt | does anyone else get lost in the directory trees on their machines? | 14:21 |
| kulve | my opera browser shows extra "/" as the first thing on that bug #20 page.. | 14:22 |
| lbt | kulve: yeah I know | 14:22 |
| lbt | there's a bug open for me to fix it | 14:22 |
| lbt | I can't find the template it's in | 14:22 |
| kulve | yeah, grepping for "/" isn't really helping :) | 14:23 |
| lbt | indeed | 14:23 |
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| kulve | hmm.. It's there in the html source already before the doctype tag | 14:29 |
| lbt | yeah ... I saw | 14:31 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: that mobile-broadband-provider-info is in Mer Core already | 14:39 |
| mdfe_ | ouch | 14:40 |
| mdfe_ | I will drop it | 14:40 |
| Sage | also those other submits were rejected by automatic checks :) | 14:41 |
| mdfe_ | hm, but searching via obs do not tell so | 14:41 |
| mdfe_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/search/search?search_text=mobile-broadband-provider-info&commit=Search&project=1&package=1&name=1&attribute=&advanced=on | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | mer isn't built on COBS.. | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:41 |
| mdfe_ | meh | 14:42 |
| mdfe_ | ok my fault... | 14:42 |
| mdfe_ | where are the public mer rpm repos of it? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | releases.merproject.org/ | 14:43 |
| Sage | mdfe_: http://www.mail-archive.com/nemo-commits@lists.merproject.org/ | 14:43 |
| Sage | mdfe_: that list is quite slow however takes a while to get the mail | 14:43 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ too | 14:43 |
| Sage | mdfe_: however, you should have been notified with the rejections as well | 14:44 |
| mdfe_ | cool | 14:44 |
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| mdfe_ | thanks for the advice, that clarify many things for me | 14:45 |
| mdfe_ | .) | 14:45 |
| Sage | mdfe_: if you didn't get rejection mails let us know. Those should have been sent to the e-mail address you have registered in cobs | 14:46 |
| mdfe_ | it works | 14:46 |
| Sage | ok | 14:47 |
| mdfe_ | hm, so I have to branch a project to get a request accepted? | 14:49 |
| mdfe_ | I'm just wondering about the rejects of less and so | 14:51 |
| mdfe_ | Or what is my mistake? | 14:52 |
| mdfe_ | brb | 14:53 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: you need to add all those targets so it builds against them all | 14:57 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: thx | 15:15 |
| pohly | Stskeeps: as you noticed, the SyncEvolution talk at FOSDEM conflicts with raster's talk on EFL. As both are related to Tizen, would it be possible to swap my talk to avoid the conflict? | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | already moved dawn's talk to avoid the same thing, i'll take a look... | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
| pohly | Not sure, but perhaps people interested in Qt5 are less likely to mind when they don't hear about EFL? | 15:22 |
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| pohly | Just a thought. | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: any objections to moving from 16.30-17.00 to 15.30-16.00? | 15:25 |
| Sage | I think that is fine. Haven't really looked the schedule :D | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | alright - pohly, 16.30-17.00 works for you? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | then we finish up with syncevolution and DLNA | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | (40 mins after raster's talk finishes) | 15:28 |
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| pohly | Works for me, thanks. | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | np, i'll go ahead and do the switch then | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | (in a moment) .. have to deal with booking a flight on a plane that seems to have no wings visible, interesting | 15:33 |
| virtuald | are you sure it's not a rocket? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | that would be somewhat awesome, though | 15:37 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: that usually means the front half is full/reserved | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: no, this is like seats 7 and down :P | 15:43 |
| lbt | OK, I'll go with rocket too then ... | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | Sage, pohly: OK, moved them around, should be in next export from fosdem schedule | 15:44 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-sample&project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3ASample%3AHA | 15:44 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: when you have a minute could you look at the yaml/spec and .sh there | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | clean, but where is kernel_target_hw generated? | 15:47 |
| lbt | in the spec.... unless I missed it | 15:47 |
| lbt | lua in line 85 | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | that actually works? | 15:49 |
| lbt | nicely ... and a lot more readable than rpm macros | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | yess, i know, but shouldn't it be in the top/after Name: ? | 15:49 |
| lbt | I'd prefer it | 15:50 |
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| lbt | but I think it's to do with when macros are expanded | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | but if it works.. | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:50 |
| lbt | it works.... | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | black magic, got it | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:50 |
| lbt | line 61 | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to see it actually build? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | in that form | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | or are you saying "move this to << macros" ? | 15:51 |
| lbt | oh, that's running my joggler right now | 15:52 |
| lbt | there's a bug to improve spectacle and that will make it more logical | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:52 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3201972 | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:53 |
| lbt | so I'm about to review these docs and polish them | 15:53 |
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| lbt | I'm going to suggest a tarball->git step for sonarch... assuming he's happy with git | 15:54 |
| lbt | that would let him manage patches if needed | 15:54 |
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| lbt | we also need to be clear about what magic values match | 15:54 |
| lbt | eg Version in spec/yaml/Makefile | 15:54 |
| lbt | oh, that kernel .spec is likely to break with arm ... not tested that yet | 15:55 |
| lbt | it also occurs that we need to say what kernel range Mer supports | 15:56 |
| lbt | eg 2.6.32 -> 3.1 | 15:56 |
| lbt | or less | 15:56 |
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| dm8tbr | *sigh* | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | morn dm8tbr | 16:58 |
| lbt | ? | 16:58 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: lo | 16:59 |
| * dm8tbr is trying to get a silicon vendor to understand whyy open source device adaptations make things so much easier | 17:00 | |
| dm8tbr | and why click-through-crap sucks | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | i guess donating methods to igloocommunity that builds the rpms and delivers the repos behind a eula isn't an option? | 17:01 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: the problem is that as far as I understood the closed bit is a hard dependency for building x-server and a couple of things | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | for building the driver yes, not x itself | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps our platform sdk can help these matters a bit | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | then I misunderstood things | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | I was under the impression you couldn't build X without it | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: ^^ ? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | b2rlib is a build dep for the mali xorg driver, isn't it | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | something like that | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:05 |
| dm8tbr | is it ARM IP or why is STE not able to MIT license it? | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | xorg driver is prolly mit, but the dep might not be | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | our n900 sgx one deps on pvr too | 17:06 |
| dm8tbr | so how is the n900 sgx problem solved in the cobs context? | 17:07 |
| dm8tbr | rebuilding on core OBS or some other hidden OBS? | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | we have a redistributable blob it links to, but, anyway: you can't copyright an api, stub the lib out and make xorg build against the stub, then on build time install the real lib instead of the stub | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | that's how we solved gles originally | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | and contribute ways to provide built rpms of the closed parts | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | which is then used at runtime | 17:10 |
| dm8tbr | stub? as in headers to build against? | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | right, and empty functions | 17:11 |
| dm8tbr | the header file has 'proprietary' all over it too | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | fun | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | you can prolly derive the api from the xorg driver, in practice that's what you need anyway | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | btw, can you redistribute as long as it's behind same eula? | 17:15 |
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| dm8tbr | I'm trying to get that statement right now | 17:17 |
| dm8tbr | IANAL, so things are a bit painful | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 17:18 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: I have told that to you so many times :D | 18:15 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: that b2rlib is only required for the ste xorg driver | 18:16 |
| Sage | I got the xorg to boot with default fbdev driver however the fs corrupted at some point but that seem to be generic issue with our board revision | 18:16 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: call me dumb... ;) | 18:20 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: I've been working in a management position for a year, it shows.... | 18:20 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: so building that b2r2lib once would really be enough as long as the api doesn't change? | 18:25 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: well, that and the ste xorg driver and distribute those behind click button that says the license? | 18:26 |
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| Sage | but this is more or less just a theory atm. as I can't test all of this atm. :( | 18:30 |
| Sage | because the hw doesn't really work as expected | 18:30 |
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| dm8tbr | Sage: mhm, I guess I have them far enough. they sent some instructions about how their stuff could be legally distributed | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | remember RPM repositories and rpms can have click-through licenses | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | mic even supports it | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
| dm8tbr | mic clicks things? ;) | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | pressing return seems to be legally accepted too | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:38 |
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| dm8tbr | heh | 18:43 |
| dm8tbr | so if we build this RPM for them or even better ship them a one-click-builder then they can just host the resulting repo behind their glorious click-through license? | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | right, another concept is a thing that gives each acceptor of a eula a unique repo url | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | like maemo did | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | that was generally accepted even by open source people | 18:45 |
| Venemo | morning | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | morn Venemo | 18:46 |
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| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) how're you? | 18:47 |
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| dm8tbr | I want to get away with minimal involvement by us. They seem to use that already so would only have to add a directory. | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:48 |
| dm8tbr | mic can handle cookies for accepting eula right? ;) | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | usually the eula is listed within the repo | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | a eula.txt or something | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'm good, just tired after a long day | 18:50 |
| Venemo | yeah, me too | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | ./wtf/NullPtr.h:48:1: error: identifier 'nullptr' will become a keyword in C++0x [-Werror=c++0x-compat] | 19:33 |
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