Tuesday, 2012-01-17

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lbtso.... ssh into joggler now works... need to do some work on default CONFIG_ settings... things like FAT codepages need to be 'y' as /boot is mounted early before modules00:39
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Stskeepsgood morning05:45
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* Stskeeps merges qt 4.8.0 to next mer release05:59
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_av500_mer-ges haha06:21
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sonachStsKeeps: Congratulations for bootstrapping of Mer! I think we will register as an interest group sometime later:)07:13
Stskeepscool :)07:15
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SageAnyone want to help with testing of following update combo: systemd, udev, util-linux, libkmod ? https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl08:26
niqtcan i test on n900?08:27
Sagesure, I have tested on N900 and wetab those and it seems to work. But I would like to get more testing for them as it is quite extensive update.08:28
niqthow i can test? How to do a test?08:28
niqtalso i have wetab08:28
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Sageniqt: install the proper repository to device and update udev and systemd e.g., n900 http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sage:/branches:/Mer:/fake:/Core:/armv7hl/Mer_Core_armv7hl/home%3asage%3abranches%3aMer%3afake%3aCore%3aarmv7hl.repo08:40
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niqti can to do at 22:00 (italy time, now 9:44) i have microsd at home. is for  you ok?08:45
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Sageniqt: anything is ok for me :)08:53
SageJust would like to get comments if someone can see any problems with those :)08:53
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phaeronlbt: created openSUSE:11.4 using download on demand09:12
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niqtphareon, use you opensuse how linux distro?09:22
phaeronniqt: no I use debian , but I build the MINT tools for both debian and opensuse09:22
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phaeronhowever I use it on some servers :)09:23
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niqtah ok09:28
niqti use kubuntu, but lately it does not seem suitable for developers09:30
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phaerontoo old ?09:32
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niqtkubuntu 11.1009:37
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lbtphaeron: cool - thanks10:05
phaeronlbt: if there are other static target we care about tell me10:14
lbtfedora and ubuntu10:14
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mdfe_stskeepsie: hi, are maintenance jobs in progress on http://releases.merproject.org/releases/?10:48
mdfe_Error 40310:48
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mdfe_ stskeepsie: Its working again10:50
stskeepsiei wouldn't call it a scheduled maintainence job10:51
stskeepsielbt: busy?10:56
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lbtstskeepsie: was... back now11:06
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stskeepsielbt: ok, any good ideas why vlan110 doesn't get automatically ifup'ed?11:08
lbton ?11:08
stskeepsiei just had a hardware lockup on it, kernel was active but rest was stalled11:08
stskeepsiehad to reset it11:08
lbtI'll look11:08
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SageStskeeps: see the last 2 commits https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter/commits/master12:07
SageSo now it is possible to define repository option globally in .yaml and by repository in repos.yaml12:09
Sagealso getting rid of the meego gpg stuff that has haunted nemo long time :)12:09
Stskeepsok, i did that already (repository option)12:10
Sagedidn't see it in http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-kickstarter-configs/12:12
SageStskeeps: dude, you should really do that as parts with git commits :)12:21
SageStskeeps: seen this before with armv7hl http://pastie.org/320094812:22
Stskeepsyes, CFLAGS being set to -mfloat-abi=softfp somewhere12:23
Sagethis new systemd logging thing is quite nice12:27
Sagenot limited by dmesg size anymore :)12:28
Sageor flooding the dmesg12:29
mdfe_Sage: how can I see this log?12:29
lbtSage: it moves away from dmesg?12:30
Sagesystemd-journalctl is in systemd 38+12:30
lbtso I guess my netconsole isn't as useful ?12:30
Sagelbt: yes away from dmesg12:30
mdfe_by the way, PA do not crash anymore with secfault for x86 mer12:32
lbtand I was just being impressed last night at how useful that was12:32
Stskeepsmdfe_: on exopc for instance?12:33
Stskeepsmdfe_: we found a bug in the configuration of -mtev on exopc12:33
Stskeepsit crashed left and right :)12:33
lbtaccelerometer issue?12:33
Stskeepsno, evdev vs mtev12:33
* lbt waits ....12:33
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Stskeepstrying multitouch on our qt xinput2 solution for multitouch with evdev will make qt apps crash as evdev delivers faulty input12:34
mdfe_Stskeeps: great catch12:34
mdfe_at the moment I build xorg-x11-drv-mtev on my own for mer12:35
Stskeepsmdfe_: yes, use the one in the x86 adaptation in CE:12:36
Sagehttp://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/tmp/nemo-bug-udev-process-spawn.log <- can someone see something that could be fixed? :)12:36
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mdfe_do you already have a patch?12:36
Sagemdfe_: any change you could use the CE:Adaptation:x86-generic? Would be nice to hut bugs together and not do duplciated job :/12:36
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mdfe_Sage: for x86 image a already take your project12:37
mdfe_but it is also needed for PA on arm12:37
Stskeepsah, it doesn't matter for arm12:37
Stskeepsit's just a configuration issue12:37
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mdfe_why it doesn matter for arm?12:38
Stskeepsit didn't choose the right driver in xorg.conf12:38
Sagemdfe_: can I pm? Have time to chat about OBS projects?12:38
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vgrademdfe_, I thought the x86 crash on PA was due to a patch which was being applied which was incompat with the newer Qt13:00
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vgrademdfe_, sec, for link13:01
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mdfe_vgrade: hi, can we talk later? I'm in a important discussion at the moment13:02
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vgrademdfe_, no probs, link, http://pastie.org/320113313:07
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vgradenice comments from the #active ml13:20
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slainevgrade: thanks for reposting13:28
vgradenp, reposted to mer-general13:30
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SageStskeeps: FYI: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2013:41
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mdfe_vgrade: hi, I'm very happy to get PA running on X86 mer!14:18
lbtdoes anyone else get lost in the directory trees on their machines?14:21
kulvemy opera browser shows extra "/" as the first thing on that bug #20 page..14:22
lbtkulve: yeah I know14:22
lbtthere's a bug open for me to fix it14:22
lbtI can't find the template it's in14:22
kulveyeah, grepping for "/" isn't really helping :)14:23
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kulvehmm.. It's there in the html source already before the doctype tag14:29
lbtyeah ... I saw14:31
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Sagemdfe_: that mobile-broadband-provider-info is in Mer Core already14:39
mdfe_I will drop it14:40
Sagealso those other submits were rejected by automatic checks :)14:41
mdfe_hm, but searching via obs do not tell so14:41
Stskeepsmer isn't built on COBS..14:41
mdfe_ok my fault...14:42
mdfe_where are the public mer rpm repos of it?14:43
Sagemdfe_: http://www.mail-archive.com/nemo-commits@lists.merproject.org/14:43
Sagemdfe_: that list is quite slow however takes a while to get the mail14:43
lbthttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ too14:43
Sagemdfe_: however, you should have been notified with the rejections as well14:44
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mdfe_thanks for the advice, that clarify many things for me14:45
Sagemdfe_: if you didn't get rejection mails let us know. Those should have been sent to the e-mail address you have registered in cobs14:46
mdfe_it works14:46
mdfe_hm, so I have to branch a project to get a request accepted?14:49
mdfe_I'm just wondering about the rejects of less and so14:51
mdfe_Or what is my mistake?14:52
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Sagemdfe_: you need to add all those targets so it builds against them all14:57
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mdfe_Sage: thx15:15
pohlyStskeeps: as you noticed, the SyncEvolution talk at FOSDEM conflicts with raster's talk on EFL. As both are related to Tizen, would it be possible to swap my talk to avoid the conflict?15:20
Stskeepsalready moved dawn's talk to avoid the same thing, i'll take a look...15:21
pohlyNot sure, but perhaps people interested in Qt5 are less likely to mind when they don't hear about EFL?15:22
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pohlyJust a thought.15:23
StskeepsSage: any objections to moving from 16.30-17.00 to 15.30-16.00?15:25
SageI think that is fine. Haven't really looked the schedule :D15:26
Stskeepsalright - pohly, 16.30-17.00 works for you?15:26
Stskeepsthen we finish up with syncevolution and DLNA15:27
Stskeeps(40 mins after raster's talk finishes)15:28
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pohlyWorks for me, thanks.15:30
Stskeepsnp, i'll go ahead and do the switch then15:32
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Stskeeps(in a moment) .. have to deal with booking a flight on a plane that seems to have no wings visible, interesting15:33
virtualdare you sure it's not a rocket?15:36
Stskeepsthat would be somewhat awesome, though15:37
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lbtStskeeps: that usually means the front half is full/reserved15:43
Stskeepslbt: no, this is like seats 7 and down :P15:43
lbtOK, I'll go with rocket too then ...15:44
StskeepsSage, pohly: OK, moved them around, should be in next export from fosdem schedule15:44
lbtStskeeps: when you have a minute could you look at the yaml/spec and .sh there15:44
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Stskeepsclean, but where is kernel_target_hw generated?15:47
lbtin the spec.... unless I missed it15:47
lbtlua in line 8515:47
Stskeepsthat actually works?15:49
lbtnicely ... and a lot more readable than rpm macros15:49
Stskeepsyess, i know, but shouldn't it be in the top/after Name: ?15:49
lbtI'd prefer it15:50
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lbtbut I think it's to do with when macros are expanded15:50
Stskeepsbut if it works..15:50
lbtit works....15:50
Stskeepsblack magic, got it15:50
lbtline 6115:50
Stskeepsi'd like to see it actually build?15:51
Stskeepsin that form15:51
Stskeepsor are you saying "move this to << macros" ?15:51
lbtoh, that's running my joggler right now15:52
lbtthere's a bug to improve spectacle and that will make it more logical15:52
lbtso I'm about to review these docs and polish them15:53
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lbtI'm going to suggest a tarball->git step for sonarch... assuming he's happy with git15:54
lbtthat would let him manage patches if needed15:54
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lbtwe also need to be clear about what magic values match15:54
lbteg Version in spec/yaml/Makefile15:54
lbtoh, that kernel .spec is likely to break with arm ... not tested that yet15:55
lbtit also occurs that we need to say what kernel range Mer supports15:56
lbteg 2.6.32 -> 3.115:56
lbtor less15:56
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Stskeepsmorn dm8tbr16:58
dm8tbrStskeeps: lo16:59
* dm8tbr is trying to get a silicon vendor to understand whyy open source device adaptations make things so much easier17:00
dm8tbrand why click-through-crap sucks17:00
Stskeepsi guess donating methods to igloocommunity that builds the rpms and delivers the repos behind a eula isn't an option?17:01
dm8tbrStskeeps: the problem is that as far as I understood the closed bit is a hard dependency for building x-server and a couple of things17:03
Stskeepsfor building the driver yes, not x itself17:03
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Stskeepsperhaps our platform sdk can help these matters a bit17:04
dm8tbrthen I misunderstood things17:04
dm8tbrI was under the impression you couldn't build X without it17:04
dm8tbrSage: ^^ ?17:04
Stskeepsb2rlib is a build dep for the mali xorg driver, isn't it17:04
dm8tbrsomething like that17:05
dm8tbris it ARM IP or why is STE not able to MIT license it?17:05
Stskeepsxorg driver is prolly mit, but the dep might not be17:06
Stskeepsour n900 sgx one deps on pvr too17:06
dm8tbrso how is the n900 sgx problem solved in the cobs context?17:07
dm8tbrrebuilding on core OBS or some other hidden OBS?17:07
Stskeepswe have a redistributable blob it links to, but, anyway: you can't copyright an api, stub the lib out and make xorg build against the stub, then on build time install the real lib instead of the stub17:08
Stskeepsthat's how we solved gles originally17:08
Stskeepsand contribute ways to provide built rpms of the closed parts17:09
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Stskeepswhich is then used at runtime17:10
dm8tbrstub? as in headers to build against?17:11
Stskeepsright, and empty functions17:11
dm8tbrthe header file has 'proprietary' all over it too17:11
Stskeepsyou can prolly derive the api from the xorg driver, in practice that's what you need anyway17:13
Stskeepsbtw, can you redistribute as long as it's behind same eula?17:15
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dm8tbrI'm trying to get that statement right now17:17
dm8tbrIANAL, so things are a bit painful17:18
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Sagedm8tbr: I have told that to you so many times :D18:15
Sagedm8tbr: that b2rlib is only required for the ste xorg driver18:16
SageI got the xorg to boot with default fbdev driver however the fs corrupted at some point but that seem to be generic issue with our board revision18:16
dm8tbrSage: call me dumb... ;)18:20
dm8tbrSage: I've been working in a management position for a year, it shows....18:20
dm8tbrSage: so building that b2r2lib once would really be enough as long as the api doesn't change?18:25
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Sagedm8tbr: well, that and the ste xorg driver and distribute those behind click button that says the license?18:26
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Sagebut this is more or less just a theory atm. as I can't test all of this atm. :(18:30
Sagebecause the hw doesn't really work as expected18:30
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dm8tbrSage: mhm, I guess I have them far enough. they sent some instructions about how their stuff could be legally distributed18:35
Stskeepsremember RPM repositories and rpms can have click-through licenses18:35
Stskeepsmic even supports it18:35
dm8tbrmic clicks things? ;)18:38
Stskeepspressing return seems to be legally accepted too18:38
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dm8tbrso if we build this RPM for them or even better ship them a one-click-builder then they can just host the resulting repo behind their glorious click-through license?18:44
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Stskeepsright, another concept is a thing that gives each acceptor of a eula a unique repo url18:45
Stskeepslike maemo did18:45
Stskeepsthat was generally accepted even by open source people18:45
Stskeepsmorn Venemo18:46
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Venemohey Stskeeps :) how're you?18:47
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dm8tbrI want to get away with minimal involvement by us. They seem to use that already so would only have to add a directory.18:48
dm8tbrmic can handle cookies for accepting eula right? ;)18:49
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Stskeepsusually the eula is listed within the repo18:49
Stskeepsa eula.txt or something18:49
StskeepsVenemo: i'm good, just tired after a long day18:50
Venemoyeah, me too18:52
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Stskeeps./wtf/NullPtr.h:48:1: error: identifier 'nullptr' will become a keyword in C++0x [-Werror=c++0x-compat]19:33
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