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| Stskeeps | wmarone: did you try simple xterm yet? | 05:28 |
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| wmarone | yup | 05:28 |
| wmarone | boots directly into the xterm | 05:28 |
| Stskeeps | and that breaks too? | 05:28 |
| wmarone | yup | 05:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:29 |
| Stskeeps | well that's a good clue :P | 05:29 |
| wmarone | heh | 05:29 |
| Stskeeps | if it was only in qt that'd be more of a nightmare to debug | 05:29 |
| wmarone | I didn't expect it was Qt, but I'm not sure where or what is causing the break | 05:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok, got a latest copy of it then? | 05:30 |
| Stskeeps | with usbnetwork ideally | 05:30 |
| wmarone | haven't built one recently, let me put one together | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:31 |
| Stskeeps | now that i can actually boot the images it helps a lot :P | 05:32 |
| wmarone | ok, new kernel and 92-NookColor.conf for xorg, quick test on my system then I'll post it | 05:36 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | also, did you use mtev or evdev? | 05:40 |
| wmarone | mtev | 05:40 |
| wmarone | ls | 06:01 |
| wmarone | wrong window | 06:02 |
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| wmarone | http://side-7.us/files/mer/meego-mer_nook_good-1.2.90.20120108.1321-raw.tar.bz2 | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | thanks, grabbing | 06:13 |
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| Sage | ok, time to kick the kernel build and see what happens durin build. | 07:18 |
| Sage | what is the best way to follow memory consumption of the osc local build btw? | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | free -m monitoring maybe | 07:18 |
| Sage | well, mainly ment that if I use the laptop at the same time is there way to easily distinguish that from the rest, I guess not | 07:19 |
| Sage | e.g., starting firefox takes easily couple of hundred M mem :) | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | mmm | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | process accounting but that's a bit nasty | 07:20 |
| Sage | hmmp. I'll just take is easy during the build :) | 07:22 |
| Sage | btw, any timeline for next Mer release? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | tomorrow, ideally | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for qt4.8.0 | 07:23 |
| Sage | ok | 07:23 |
| Sage | so is it prerelease tomorrow or release? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | that's the prerelease | 07:23 |
| Sage | and release is on Thursday? | 07:24 |
| Sage | if all goes well | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | let's see how badly things break, but yeah | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | remember bug triage is 2 hours earlier today, ie, the mer one | 07:26 |
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| Sage | :nod: | 07:29 |
| Sage | it seems that at least the kernel compile is well handled in that kernel build. Probably just modules then. | 07:32 |
| Sage | hmmp... seems like it is not loosing memory actually | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | slap in a ulimit -v 1048576 before buld | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | build | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | in same segment, ie, in %build | 07:41 |
| Sage | I'll wait for the build to finish first but sure :) | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | on cobs | 07:43 |
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| Sage | ah, ok | 07:43 |
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| Sage | MODPOST 1239 modules | 07:45 |
| Sage | ^ just nuts :) | 07:45 |
| Sage | And I removed bunch of those already | 07:45 |
| Sage | yup, succeeded on my laptop local build | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | how much ram on it? | 07:46 |
| Sage | 4G | 07:47 |
| Sage | + 6G swap but none of that was in use | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:48 |
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| Sage | morning veskuh | 07:52 |
| veskuh | Morning | 07:53 |
| Sage | sonach: same thing with ulimit -v | 08:00 |
| Sage | err... Stskeeps ^ :) | 08:00 |
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| Stskeeps | awkward | 08:01 |
| sonach | Glad to see you all:) | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo sonach, and welcome :) | 08:03 |
| kulve | would it make sense to be more active in http://mer-project.blogspot.com/? I know it takes always extra time but getting news conveniently to your reader would make project following easy. At least I would be interested to know about weekly releases with the bugs-fixed list, any new major components added, milestones achieved or demos made (could include Nemo stuff as well). Most of that stuff is already in the mailing list but they are easily lost there | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: yes, agreed, but i think we should move it to our own hosting platform as blogspot is blocked in important markets such as china | 08:04 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: When will move Mer's blogspot to Mer's own hosting platform? We are looking forward to this... Several years ago, there existed some tricks to access blogspot, but now the tricks don't take effect any more. | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it's on our list to do, just a lot of things we have to do :) right now all important news goes to the mailing list | 08:08 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: thanks for your hard work:) | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: BTW, you should be able to use qml 1.0 interfaces without difficulty on the non-GLESv2 devices | 08:09 |
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| sonach | StsKeeps: Do you mean QtMediaHub can perform well on the non-GLESv2 device? | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | i think it might be able to, but i haven't tried it myself | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | software rendering can be slow in HDTV resolutions | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | in smaller resolutions maybe less | 08:13 |
| sonach | You mentioned LLVMPipe several days ago. Can LLVMPipe perform well on 720P HDTV? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | possibly, depending on CPU, but the problem with llvmpipe is that it currently does not work for ARM :/ | 08:16 |
| vgrade | kulve, I have been adding items of interest to http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/News | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully devices with GLESv2/EGL will become cheaper and cheaper | 08:16 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: So sad that llvmpipe does work for ARM... Now our CPU is Cortext A9 600MHz, 1200DMIPS or so. | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | the reason is that LLVM JIT doesn't work for ARM, which is surprising considering that apple uses LLVM extensively | 08:18 |
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| sonach | StsKeeps: So apple have used some technology that we don't know? | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | i think they just use llvm for compiler, not for runtime | 08:20 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: oh, I didn't know that it's blocked from whole china.. | 08:22 |
| kulve | vgrade: polling sites for information is too unefficient :) | 08:22 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: To my knowledge, only high-end STBs will include hardware GLESv2/EGL. So it seems that I have to find a way out to support non-GLESv2 device... | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | it should be possible at least | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | someone said they got qml interfaces working at 60fps at 720p with directfb on dual core mips | 08:25 |
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| sonach | Oh, 60fps at 720p is good! We should try QtMediaHub later then. | 08:26 |
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| Stskeeps | mentioned in http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/31/qml-scene-graph-in-master/#comment-22624 | 08:27 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: Thanks. We are concerning whether QtMediaHub is stable or not... | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's a template to build on top of - the alternative is to build your own interfaces | 08:29 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: is is possible to get mail from all created gerrit reviews? | 08:36 |
| Sage | On creation that is? | 08:36 |
| Sage | I would be happy to review some of those but I don't notice them atm. easily. | 08:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: i've been pondering an irc bot | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, i guess we can make that | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | file a task bug? | 08:37 |
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| kulve | if there's an irc bot notifying about review, I hope it's on #mer-reviews etc.. | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:39 |
| kulve | in there it's a good idea | 08:39 |
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| sonach | StsKeeps: Is there any guildance to port Mer to new hardware? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: we're slowly generating documentation for that on the wiki page, but essentially, take a kernel that works for your device and try to boot one of our file systems. We'll soon be providing 'generic' root file systems for people to use | 08:48 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: Kernel works for our device is ready. "try to boot one of our file systems" what file system do you mean? | 08:49 |
| sonach | I don't understand "try to boot one of our file systems"... | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok, take for example the 'tv' image you had for pandaboard | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | that has a file system on it you can try to boot | 08:51 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: how to install packages from localbuild to osc chroot? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | we'll soon be providing tar.gz files that isn't specific to a certain device | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: no idea, sorry | 08:52 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: can't use rpm --root= as error: db4 error(-30971) from dbenv->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: right, cp them in and then rpm -i ? | 08:52 |
| Sage | yes, but how to do rpm -i as the user in osc chroot doesn't have root perms | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you can osc chroot to root, i think | 08:53 |
| Sage | ah, -r | 08:53 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: Yes, And I think "ce-adaptation-pandaboard" is where to do initialization for systemd. But I don't know how to setup the initialization process in our code or config files... | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: right, that documentation is missing - generally, most documentation you find on the internet about systemd can be used in mer too | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | or you can look around on https://build.pub.meego.com for examples | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | in projects -> CE:Adaptation: | 08:55 |
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| sonach | StsKeeps: thanks. we will try generating our own rootfs soon. | 08:57 |
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| sonach | StsKeeps: BTW, certainly we have run mer-tv-pandaboard rootfs successfully by means of chroot. | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | does your chipsets have NEON or not, by the way? | 09:07 |
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| sonach | StsKeeps: no NEON support. Only "swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp vfpv3 vfpv3d16". | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | we don't strictly require it but it always helps :) | 09:08 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: BTW, can you create an account for me on MeeGo COBS? Or ask for lbt(David)? | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | what is your meego.com username? | 09:10 |
| sonach | Wait a minute:) | 09:11 |
| sonach | StsKeeps: my meego.com username is sonach, | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ please activate | 09:16 |
| sonach | lbt: thank you! | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | just remember community obs is a public place, so no closed source there, but you can build it locally if you need to | 09:18 |
| sonach | OK. | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so, imagine you have the 'mer' kickstarter, and availability to get the mer core yaml, how would you utilize it in mer, how would you keep it updated, etc? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | err | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | utilize it in nemo | 09:26 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I would have nemo-image-configs depend on mer-core-yaml and kickstarter packages and when built it would pick up the latest yaml changes from Mer core as well | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so RPM centric? | 09:27 |
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| Sage | yes, I'm open for other ideas as well but that is what I would say atm. | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | sounds sane | 09:28 |
| Sage | I would prefer the rpm as then the mer core yaml would be provided with the actual core | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:28 |
| Sage | so vendor would pick up the changes when they change the core | 09:28 |
| Sage | similarly to other changes made. | 09:29 |
| Matt_Battle | Hello everybody | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | hello Matt_Battle | 09:29 |
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| lbt | sonach: good morning .... done :) | 09:33 |
| lbt | sonach: I'm working through the getting started on new HW at the moment ... give me a few mins | 09:34 |
| sonach | lbt: Thank you very much! And now our time is 17:34 in the afternoon:) | 09:34 |
| lbt | just getting started then eh :D | 09:34 |
| * lbt will have to start getting up earlier.... | 09:35 | |
| lbt | sonach: so ... I assume you have a kernel that will boot on the device? | 09:36 |
| sonach | lbt: Yes, | 09:36 |
| lbt | ah yes... I see you said that | 09:36 |
| lbt | so you need to think about creating a rootfs with additional local content | 09:37 |
| lbt | I guess you don't have a local OBS setup yet? | 09:38 |
| sonach | Yes, for example, I need to create "mer-tv-hi3761m", | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: did you do image builds with your former meego based work? | 09:38 |
| sonach | I have done image builds with RPMs from MeeGo OBS and our local repo. | 09:40 |
| lbt | OK | 09:40 |
| sonach | We have built meego-pandaboard successfully before. | 09:41 |
| lbt | sonach: here's the outline of what I'm working on for Mer: http://pastie.org/3194017 | 09:42 |
| sonach | lbt: OK, I can see the outline:) | 09:43 |
| lbt | so it sounds like you're at the stage where you need a kickstart for the pandaboard | 09:43 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/3194022 | 09:45 |
| lbt | that's what I'm working on for the Joggler - an atom based device which boots from a usb stick | 09:45 |
| lbt | it needs an image that contains fat32 /boot partition with grub and a / with rootfs | 09:46 |
| lbt | you need to describe the image layout first | 09:46 |
| lbt | we're also just in the process of transitioning from a MeeGo bootstrap to a Mer bootstrap for mic | 09:48 |
| sonach | lbt: OK. You message is very useful. I will try my work as soon as possible. | 09:48 |
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| lbt | sure - and please say if something is not clear - I very much want to make the docs and 'getting started' steps easy to follow | 09:49 |
| lbt | so feedback and comments are really helpful | 09:49 |
| lbt | sonach: by the way ... did we actually meet at the Tizen summit ? | 09:50 |
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| sonach | lbt: I have seen you at the summit. But I didn't attend on Day Two, So we didnot do conversation. And, my oral English is poor...:) | 09:52 |
| lbt | heh .... I bet it's *much* better than my chinese :D | 09:52 |
| lbt | I'm hoping to get over there for another Tizen conference later in the year - maybe we'll chat in person then | 09:53 |
| sonach | OK, I am looking forward to that! | 09:53 |
| lbt | you can demo a TV running Mer :D | 09:54 |
| sonach | lbt: Sure. We will release our first version on about 4/10/2012. Certainly, the TV/STB may be not so good... | 09:56 |
| sonach | Our first version is for STB. for TV, we have an important work to do: to persuade the TV manufacturer to use Mer instead of Android... | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | 4 october or 10 march? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | er, 10 april | 09:57 |
| sonach | Yes. 10 april. | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:00 |
| lbt | good to know - we'll have to keep an eye on dates leading up to that | 10:01 |
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| sonach | In theory, the TV manufacturers should not use Android; In fact, if the TV manufacturers don't use Android, the products cannot sell well. It's a conflict, and it a chance for Mer. | 10:02 |
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| lbt | *nod* | 10:02 |
| slaine | sonach: they'll probably end up having to Pay Microsoft for patents that Android infringes too | 10:03 |
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| Matt_Battle | sonach: that will be a hard sell | 10:05 |
| Matt_Battle | especially how many big companies back andriod | 10:05 |
| sonach | slaine: Maybe that's not a problem. Because the TVs using Android are all high-end, the patent fee is not very important, I think. | 10:05 |
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| slaine | k | 10:05 |
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| sonach | Matt_Battle: You are right. The production section of the TV manufacturer company is not willing to produce smart-TVs without Android. | 10:06 |
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| sonach | We are dicussing the problem with TV manufacturers and try to find some nice solution... | 10:08 |
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| Matt_Battle | yeap plus more and more microsoft push the claims of patents infringement the more companies are going to seperate themselves from them because they will view it as goliath picking on david | 10:09 |
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| sonach | Certainly, We need help of lbt, StsKeeps and all other Mer-guys... Thanks in advance! | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | but let's see.. i think mer could do well as a base for a STB | 10:10 |
| lbt | sonach: not a problem ... that's the intention of Mer | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'm working on a way to shrink footprint even more with busybox instead of gnu coreutils etc | 10:10 |
| slaine | I certainly hope so, as that's what I'll be trying to use it for | 10:10 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: busybox is certainly interesting | 10:11 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: and ucLibc ? | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: not that far yet | 10:11 |
| slaine | :) | 10:11 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: a word of warning, busybox comes with its nasty side effects when postinst scripts use options for coreutils tools that aren't implemented in busybox | 10:13 |
| sonach | I have to go home for my supper... See you later:) | 10:13 |
| Bostik | been there, still burning so no scars | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: yeah | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | i am aware it's a danger territory | 10:14 |
| lbt | Bostik: I'm looking at using lua in rpm for postinst too | 10:15 |
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| Bostik | things become even worse when (not if!) someone leaks busybox to build-depends | 10:15 |
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| Bostik | at that point things really go down in flames | 10:15 |
| Bostik | the last time I got bit was when a %post used "chown --reference=" | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | we have even worse issues with our increasingily old gplv2 coreutils | 10:17 |
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| slaine | Is the Pandaboard ES available atm ? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | think s | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | digikey | 10:52 |
| vgrade | that reminds me to unpack the beaglebone | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | you have a lot of toys ;) | 10:56 |
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| slaine | might be getting one here at work | 11:03 |
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| lbt | T-shirts.... just saying.... | 11:11 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, yes and I should be booting those mer core filesystems you were talking about on them | 11:11 |
| lbt | vgrade: pandaboard? | 11:12 |
| vgrade | yes | 11:12 |
| lbt | hmm | 11:12 |
| * lbt debates starting a project on C.OBS | 11:12 | |
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| lbt | what's a small sea called | 11:12 |
| lbt | some non-mer project that has minimal HA for some devices like pandaboard, joggler | 11:13 |
| vgrade | sage has done work on panda recently | 11:14 |
| lbt | it's the scattered nature that irks me | 11:14 |
| vgrade | images.formeego.org was a good place | 11:14 |
| lbt | well | 11:15 |
| lbt | it was a good place to distribute from | 11:15 |
| lbt | for Mer the cobs has no restrictions on meego name | 11:15 |
| lbt | and we'll move to our own cobs one day | 11:15 |
| vgrade | the work on yaml buliding ks should help | 11:16 |
| lbt | yes | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | regarding that, lbt, saw sage's approach above? | 11:16 |
| lbt | no... scrolling | 11:16 |
| vgrade | once that is in place that might be a good time to get a suite of images up | 11:17 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, I'm assuming similar for the kernel HA packaging | 11:20 |
| lbt | depend on the mer-core config package | 11:20 |
| lbt | kernel-config | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Mer bug triage in 40 minutes in #mer-meeting | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.fs-net.de/cms/index.php?id=71&L=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=97&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=5&cHash=050fd368c7c0863e50d505afe71152d0 | 11:29 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Mer bug triage in 3 minutes in #mer-meeting | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | monster, seemingily | 12:03 |
| lbt | log a bug ? :D | 12:03 |
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| lbt | hmmm | 13:05 |
| * Stskeeps needs caffeine | 13:05 | |
| lbt | I really need to finish this joggler thing and get on with my bugs | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind the joggler stuff, it gives valuable input to vendor process | 13:06 |
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| lbt | kernel...boot...wrong CONFIG...repeat | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going with it? | 13:06 |
| lbt | yeah, it's doing well | 13:06 |
| lbt | and I'm keeping the overview simple | 13:06 |
| lbt | expanding concept area locally to explain things | 13:06 |
| lbt | I have the kernel packaging working fine | 13:07 |
| lbt | with a little git->patches script | 13:07 |
| lbt | mic is working with a bootloader too | 13:08 |
| lbt | no mmc yet :( | 13:08 |
| KaIRC | hmm, my N900 USB sockets doesn't feel loose in any way but it doesn't accept charging any more :( | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | KaIRC: tmo has guides | 13:10 |
| KaIRC | Stskeeps: I'll search for those, then, and hope I can salvage it somehow (it's not my main device any more, thanks to having an N9, but it's nice for testing e.g. mer/nemo) | 13:12 |
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| KaIRC | in the worst case, I'll need to find an old charger and use the N810 as a charger for the N900 battery ;-) | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | hello cmazieri :) | 13:28 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: question about the fakeobs setup | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 13:38 |
| slaine | On my obsvm | 13:38 |
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| slaine | when I run the linkpac command, it copies from my fakeobs instance to my obsvm instance and rebuilds, due probably to the linkpac command getting a "copy" parameter | 13:39 |
| slaine | Is it possible for linkpac to link rather than copy ? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | as in you don't want it to rebuild? | 13:40 |
| slaine | so that I don't rebuild everything, obs just pulls the packages from fakeobs that have already been built | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | the -C copy is just something about about the versioning numbers | 13:40 |
| slaine | I can trigger a rebuild then in my own time | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | right.. hmm | 13:41 |
| slaine | just trying to be economical with the computer time | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | so you only want it to rebuild for the packages that you've modified? | 13:41 |
| slaine | and bandwidth. cobs builds everything, I pull it binaries and source packages, link them and rebuild it all over again. | 13:42 |
| slaine | just thinking out loud | 13:42 |
| slaine | seems like a waste of bandwidth to download everything only to scrap it all again and rebuild it. | 13:42 |
| slaine | so it should just get source packages down and create binaries, or if it gets binaries, import them and rebuild when changed | 13:43 |
| slaine | it's pretty heavy handed atm and takes a long time to sync up, one of the issues I have time time. | 13:43 |
| slaine | s/time time/is time/ | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, when you pull a new mer version, and you have an already built version, it'll use those. once you self-host and remove <path> to the fakeobs, you stop relying on the binaries from fakeobs | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | after you've done the build once, you can remove <path> to fakeobs | 13:46 |
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| slaine | ok, but not clear on how that syncs with the latest release. then | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | then it gets synced through the sources | 13:47 |
| slaine | atm, I'm redoing fakeobs each time | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | and it rebuilds | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | so what would you prefer the obs to be doing? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | i assume you want to modify parts of the core | 13:48 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: more keep in sync with the upstream core | 13:49 |
| slaine | my requirements may well change as the project progresses | 13:49 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, so, you'd just like to build against mer core (your own local copy), not self-build it? | 13:49 |
| slaine | it's probably due to the regular snapshots and what I'm doing is right, just on underpowered build gear, hence the time being the issue | 13:49 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: essentially yes | 13:50 |
| slaine | From a QA perspective, I'd need to be able to rebuild it | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | right, but not part of daily process | 13:50 |
| slaine | but that's not a requirement for fast iterations | 13:50 |
| slaine | nod | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok, then just set up an empty repository and <repository><path project="fakeobs:Core:i586" repository="Core_i586" /></repository> | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | and built against that empty repositoriy | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | the binaries are there, so | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | just like you can rebuild locally, you can build against it without a rebuild | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. another way you can do it is aggregatepac | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | but that's more complicated | 13:53 |
| slaine | Or I could just get a dedicated machine with enough ram | 13:54 |
| slaine | :) | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | also possible, but honestly, you can just build against fakeobs :) | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | that's what we do in nemo too | 13:54 |
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| slaine | that was something else I wanted to look at | 13:55 |
| slaine | how the nemo builds are done. | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | like in topic | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | (building against mer in cobs) | 13:55 |
| slaine | nod | 13:55 |
| slaine | have that page open | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | our fakeobs is called Mer:fake on there | 13:56 |
| slaine | ok, cheers. | 14:10 |
| slaine | I might see if I can do the same, that's probably exactly what I'm after | 14:11 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: so the kernel compiles fine on my work laptop but fails on cobs. So maybe the issue is in the COBS? | 14:34 |
| Sage | kernel didn't boot though, but didn't have time to inspect it more today | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | i still think it's related to the ram size | 14:35 |
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| Sage | is there away to limit ramsize on my laptop during osc build? | 14:35 |
| Sage | ie. way to reproduce the issue on my laptop | 14:36 |
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| Sage | I could try to build with netbook with 1G ram. That should do it? | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i had a similar-ish issue with gcc build on my builder | 14:37 |
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| Stskeeps | ulimit -v did it for me | 14:37 |
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| Sage | hmmp, I'll retry with ulimit before the kernel compile (had it before module compile that was the one that fails) | 14:39 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Hi, you do not build mer anymore on bpmc? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: we never did | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: Mer:Trunk:Base was just a copy lbt did at some point | 15:06 |
| mdfe_ | is your mer build service public? | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | semi-public, ie, i don't want people to really build on it as we do CI on it and needs all the resources it can get -- people usually have own OBS'es and build against fakeobs (which is the output) | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | webui-ci.tspre.org if you want to browse around | 15:07 |
| mdfe_ | cool :) thats what I like to do | 15:08 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: I seems I need a account to browse around | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | just register | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | i couldn't figure out how to enable anonymous viewing :P | 15:12 |
| mdfe_ | hmm, 'Illegal email address:' | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure it matters :P | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | meh, the build-all-in-obs idea won't work in reality | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | with the yamls | 16:13 |
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| lbt | yay X is crashing on my joggler | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | thta's progress | 17:10 |
| wmarone | Stskeeps: did that image work for you? | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: my wife took my nook along to work (she works at a publisher) | 17:12 |
| wmarone | ah! | 17:13 |
| lbt | netconsole is a bit random too | 17:14 |
| lbt | need a rootdelay for the usb (I'd forgotten that one) | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | rootwait? | 17:17 |
| lbt | is it? | 17:17 |
| lbt | http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg09929.html | 17:18 |
| lbt | .ok | 17:19 |
| lbt | would mer dhcp on eth0 ? | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | usually would, but joggler sets a random MAC address | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 17:21 |
| lbt | which way round is it? I thought the wifi mac came from the eth0 ? | 17:22 |
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| lbt | I know it's spooky | 17:22 |
| lbt | actually nm ... I'm getting netconsole... sniff it :) | 17:22 |
| * lbt rebuilds kernel so modules work | 17:23 | |
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| vgrade | lbt, a good call. | 17:55 |
| lbt | hey vgrade | 17:56 |
| lbt | so I have a nice HA package and ks for a minimal joggler which boots to rootfs but no more | 17:56 |
| lbt | HA kernel | 17:56 |
| lbt | just trying to minimise the .config now | 17:57 |
| lbt | 2.6.38.4 based | 17:57 |
| lbt | which I hope is appropriate for the gfx | 17:57 |
| vgrade | yea, been watching progress. kernel from the website with ubuntu, mint | 17:58 |
| vgrade | ? | 17:58 |
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| vgrade | http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/source/kernel/ | 17:58 |
| lbt | yes | 17:59 |
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| lbt | that config needs an initrd | 17:59 |
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| lbt | so I'm getting to a bigger but plain kernel | 17:59 |
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| lbt | the problem was that rootfs device wasn't showing up quickly ... and I was looking for other config tweaks :( | 18:00 |
| vgrade | I think they are using emgd kernel module | 18:00 |
| lbt | # CONFIG_STUB_POULSBO is not set | 18:01 |
| vgrade | the last image I built used the emgd kernel patches from the meego automotive kernel and the meego emgd userspace pkgs | 18:01 |
| lbt | yeah ... | 18:02 |
| lbt | I may call on you RSN | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: so, building the yaml stuff using rpms isn't feasible since we'll have multiple <path> | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | which just will screw up stuff | 18:11 |
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| lbt | hmm | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | so, i'm thinking something like a Makefile and .tar files that people can point to.. | 18:12 |
| lbt | why multiple paths? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | mer core, ux, hardware adaptations | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | see the problem? | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:14 |
| lbt | no | 18:14 |
| lbt | isn't core common to all | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | it is, but if i have my-mer-product and build-dep on mer core's yaml package, ux's yaml package, hw adaptations's ux package.. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | also, that we aren't even guaranteed to have these in same obs | 18:16 |
| lbt | what is having the build-depend ? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | my-mer-product | 18:17 |
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| lbt | this is the IMG yaml | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's the one that'll generate .ks'es | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the one targetting a product | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | the idea is: i have my mer product, described by a yaml file, it depends on the yamls from mer core, from the ux, from the hw adaptation | 18:19 |
| lbt | yeah | 18:20 |
| lbt | just thinking | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | and i need to have a simple process that will give me suitable .ks'es | 18:20 |
| lbt | we have multiple prj in OBS | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | yaml's may vary across versions of the derived things | 18:20 |
| lbt | ux/ha/core | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | also, we have to be able to do this without an obs | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | which makes it more problematic | 18:21 |
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| lbt | hmm | 18:24 |
| lbt | what's the problem | 18:24 |
| lbt | objective | 18:24 |
| lbt | given 3 repos I want to build a .ks for my product | 18:24 |
| lbt | the repos must provide yamls ? | 18:25 |
| lbt | which give partial descriptions | 18:25 |
| lbt | or is this more an event mgmt issue? | 18:25 |
| lbt | when any one of the repos builds a combined image must build? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | objective: we have 3 pieces from the mer ecosystem, we want to merge them together with our own image description, and then create .ks'es on the basis of this | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | we also have to be able to adjust the pieces as we increment versions | 18:26 |
| lbt | so the first one... makes sense | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | right, second one: pieces are almost never static and evolves | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | and we need to be able to 'upgrade'/pull to their new versions | 18:28 |
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| lbt | when does the yaml change? | 18:28 |
| timoph | oh. btw, since I failed to get mer sb2 working yesterday. I'm thinking what I'm missing. Do I need to copy the rootfs from somewhere, etc.? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: grab any random rootfs, take the n950 one, it's in a nice tar.gz format | 18:29 |
| timoph | I'll try that | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: as an example, we add a new package group, we change repository URL, we add a new package to be included, or change file system types.. | 18:29 |
| lbt | manually | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | or rename package groups | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's usually a manual process, happening in the upstream 'piece' | 18:30 |
| lbt | so what's the problem with putting this data into an rpm? | 18:31 |
| lbt | is it that the obs build-dep process won't automate? | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | one is that we likely will have to be utilizing multiple paths just to build one rpm, 2) we need to have access to the HW adaptation on OBS level, or UX 3) adding OBS to the mix just to make a .ks is a bit heavy | 18:33 |
| lbt | OK ... so we may be crossed here | 18:34 |
| lbt | I mean to have an OBS/git managed src which makes a tiny rpm with a config in it | 18:34 |
| lbt | yaml config in it | 18:34 |
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| lbt | three of these - one per area | 18:35 |
| lbt | ha/ux/core | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | right | 18:35 |
| lbt | the combining step is manual | 18:35 |
| lbt | and not obs related at all | 18:35 |
| lbt | cf the 'watch upstream' bug earlier :) | 18:36 |
| lbt | we can of course BOSS it | 18:36 |
| lbt | but cron too | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | then again, i don't like combining step being manual, it screws up CI.. | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | a kingdom for a whiteboard.. | 18:36 |
| lbt | *g* | 18:37 |
| lbt | we watch OBS(es) all the time for certain events | 18:38 |
| lbt | so this is quite special | 18:38 |
| lbt | hmm | 18:38 |
| lbt | is it .... | 18:38 |
| lbt | what CI? | 18:39 |
| lbt | a combined image build whenever any one of 3 repos is published? | 18:39 |
| lbt | (as a vendor) | 18:39 |
| lbt | each individual yaml doesn't BR on the others does it ? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | nah.. that we can't 'automatically' move ahead on a updated hardware adaptation, for example | 18:41 |
| lbt | so .. what then ? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | okay, perhaps we need to back up a bit and ponder how it is we're delivering hw adaptations and ux'es and that kind of jazz | 18:42 |
| lbt | this is a vendor integration issue isn't it ? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | it is a bit, but we're hitting it immediately in nemo | 18:44 |
| lbt | just placing the problem | 18:44 |
| lbt | I know we have to solve it :) | 18:44 |
| lbt | I suggest dropping the automation for now | 18:45 |
| lbt | as I think this is 2nd phase CI | 18:45 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: afaik bigbluebutton has a whiteboard | 18:45 |
| lbt | ie we do a rootfs build of Mer | 18:45 |
| timoph | http://bigbluebutton.org/ | 18:45 |
| lbt | and validate that before we accept a commit | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: yeah, but one i can actually draw sanely on :P | 18:45 |
| lbt | now this is part of that 2nd phase where vendors get to comment | 18:45 |
| timoph | :) | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | you're right, i'm nitpicking | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | the first important steps is to provide the yaml's and the .ks'es | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | we'll figure out how to do it best as we go | 18:46 |
| lbt | *nod* | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'll start with a rpm provided from mer core | 18:46 |
| lbt | and the good thing is that 'it's just another rpm' | 18:46 |
| lbt | this problem would apply if *any* rpm in any of the 3 repos is changed - yes? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | the problem was regarding that the setup would be awkward.. ie, we'd probably have a product that would have <path> to all three repositories, and get the 3 rpms from those | 18:48 |
| lbt | yes - I agree that is a bad idea | 18:48 |
| lbt | using obs there is kinda feasible but clunky and ... bad | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | also, on a platform sdk, we'd have to addrepo each of those to do a manual build.. | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | we shouldn't make it -too- difficult to do .ks'es :) | 18:49 |
| lbt | which makes sense | 18:49 |
| lbt | I can see a simple tool to do this | 18:49 |
| lbt | I pondered publishing someting alongside or in the .xml | 18:50 |
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| timoph | hmmh. missing libmpfr.so.1 | 19:16 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: prod X-Fade about that | 20:00 |
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| timoph | X-Fade: ping | 20:24 |
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| timoph | X-Fade: tablets-dev downloads for 770 and n8x0 broken | 20:25 |
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| timoph | (I know this is not the right channel but I'm not on #maemo) | 20:26 |
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| lbt | hmm Stskeeps what target does our systemd look for at startup | 20:58 |
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| lbt | runlevel5.target or default.target | 20:58 |
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| lbt | our systemd is ignoring the kernel command line option systemd.unit=getty.target | 21:11 |
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| slow | hi | 21:12 |
| lbt | hi slow | 21:13 |
| slow | just read about other OS on galaxy tab, like meego | 21:14 |
| slow | i think i should backup my sd card and try to get this running | 21:14 |
| lbt | hmm - not heard much about ports to that device | 21:16 |
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| slow | meego, nothing yet with mer | 21:17 |
| lbt | lardman is the guy apparently | 21:17 |
| lbt | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2520&page=5 | 21:17 |
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| slow | tnx, lbt | 21:22 |
| lbt | np | 21:22 |
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| * lbt removes uxlaunch binary ... that'll stop the damn thing running | 21:27 | |
| w00t | haha | 21:28 |
| w00t | been there, done that | 21:28 |
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| lbt | how come setting the commandline isn't working? | 21:29 |
| lbt | and even moving uxlaunch.target out of the way | 21:29 |
| lbt | no it didn't | 21:31 |
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| lbt | some bugger is changing vt | 21:31 |
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| lbt | hmm tmpfs based OBS worker liveUSB stick for my laptops and wifes PC and other machines... | 22:04 |
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| w00t | lbt: i'll take 12 | 22:16 |
| w00t | ;) | 22:16 |
| lbt | they'd be useful I think | 22:17 |
| lbt | nb... when booting a rootfs make sure there isn't another one on another device... | 22:17 |
| w00t | right... i'm going to make a second attempt at bed | 22:19 |
| w00t | nitynite | 22:19 |
| lbt | good luck | 22:19 |
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