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| Stskeeps | good morning | 06:48 |
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| Stskeeps | araujo: topic for repos | 07:26 |
| timoph | morn | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | morn ti | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | Minos: | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | err | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | timoph | 07:26 |
| timoph | :) | 07:26 |
| * Stskeeps needs coffee | 07:26 | |
| timoph | close enough | 07:26 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, Mer:fake:Core ? | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, for instance | 07:27 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:27 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, that is the main mer core repo?, ... it cannot be browsed online? | 07:27 |
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| Stskeeps | araujo: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | is the official one | 07:28 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, I was looking for an OBS repo | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | araujo: ok, what are you trying to do exactly? :P | 07:29 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, I wanted to see the list of available packages for the Mer Core OBS repo | 07:30 |
| araujo | basically that | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok, http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=packages.xml;h=c4250f6738e8a39c7916de5d787edf4756980c5b;hb=HEAD | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | you can also osc ls Mer:fake:Core:i586 for example | 07:31 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, I was looking for the generated rpm subpackages too, but well, this gives me an idea :P | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | araujo: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120105.1/builds/ | 07:38 |
| araujo | there it is, thanks Stskeeps !! | 07:39 |
| araujo | :) | 07:39 |
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| ArDoom | Hello folks! | 09:09 |
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| ArDoom | Is it possible to install Mer or Plasma active on my LG P500 Optimus One? | 09:10 |
| ArDoom | Everybody here? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | can you load your own linux kernel and flash your own linux file system? | 09:12 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: you are so too technical :) | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: it's the first question needed :P | 09:13 |
| ArDoom | Are you asking me? | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i am | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: i should make a flowchart.. | 09:14 |
| ArDoom | I'm just user, I was curious | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | ArDoom: then the answer is probably no :/ | 09:15 |
| ArDoom | So, is it even technically possible? | 09:15 |
| ArDoom | Why not? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's not technically possible if you can't load your own linux kernel and can't flash your own linux file system to it | 09:16 |
| ArDoom | Alright, maybe through chroot and TightVNC? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | you'll need mer booting on it's own for any kind of sane performance | 09:17 |
| ArDoom | Like it was made with debian arm build | 09:17 |
| ArDoom | And may I see screenshots of it? | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | that you can probably find on the plasma active sites | 09:18 |
| ArDoom | May I have a link please? | 09:21 |
| ArDoom | You don't seem to be friendly to newbies... | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | http://dot.kde.org/2011/11/30/plasma-active-archos-g9-tablet | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm newbie friendly, but mer is the core/engine, plasma active is a seperate project :) | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | so i don't know everything about it | 09:23 |
| ArDoom | Oh, I see finally | 09:29 |
| ArDoom | But any chance to make it work on ARMv6VFP? | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | mer works on armv6 vfp, yes, plasma active was struggling on a raspberry pi though | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | (also armv6 vfp) | 09:32 |
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| n900-sleep | helo )) | 09:59 |
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| n900-home | mm.. | 10:03 |
| n900-home | regisret...) | 10:03 |
| n900-home | languare new rus! | 10:06 |
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| lbt | phaeron: pong | 13:39 |
| phaeron | lbt: does puppet touch the enabled / disabled participants on img worker ? | 13:46 |
| lbt | no | 13:46 |
| lbt | hmm | 13:46 |
| phaeron | I disabled build_image twice and it got reenabled again | 13:47 |
| lbt | there's a small chance it may have auto updated the package | 13:47 |
| lbt | but that shouldn't do that | 13:47 |
| lbt | cobs IMG ? | 13:47 |
| phaeron | yes , but not package update. something reenables them by recreating the symlinks ? | 13:48 |
| lbt | sec ... potatoes are done.... | 13:49 |
| phaeron | it's annoying because they have the old python-ruote-amqp and they hammer the amqp server with connections which it refuses | 13:49 |
| phaeron | and the log gets full and logrotate can't catch up | 13:49 |
| * phaeron already has a headache | 13:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo vu3rdd | 13:54 |
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| vu3rdd | hello Stskeeps | 14:00 |
| lbt | phaeron: looking now | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | vu3rdd: welcome here :) what brings you to #mer? | 14:01 |
| vu3rdd | First time on the mer channel. Quite interested in Meego. Don't have access to either N9 or N900 or N950. | 14:01 |
| vu3rdd | Stskeeps: I have an Android phone and work on Android internals a bit (on media side mostly). | 14:02 |
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| vu3rdd | Stskeeps: would love to do some work with Meego/Mer. | 14:02 |
| lbt | vu3rdd: sounds useful :) | 14:04 |
| lbt | Mer works on any device with a hardware port | 14:04 |
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| lbt | and that's distinct from Mer Core | 14:05 |
| lbt | so Nemo has an ExoPC HA for exampl | 14:05 |
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| vu3rdd | lbt: Thanks. | 14:05 |
| vu3rdd | is there some way I can acquire some supported hardware? I tried to get an N9 but it is not available here (india) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | vu3rdd: got a PC? :) | 14:06 |
| vu3rdd | Stskeeps: yes. :) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | well there you have one | 14:06 |
| vu3rdd | ok | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | we run on atom and non-atom hardware, including in virtual machines | 14:07 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: we could do with a HA for radeon | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: :nod: | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: or nvidia ion.. | 14:08 |
| lbt | yeah , nvidia is redistributable now | 14:08 |
| vu3rdd | I am starting to look at the mer wiki pages. | 14:08 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I think we should do these in Mer not-Core as generic PC HA templates | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mm | 14:09 |
| lbt | I know | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | vu3rdd: a good start :) | 14:10 |
| lbt | but it's not like a specific SoC .., | 14:10 |
| lbt | I'll raise a bug and we can decide how to handle it | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | vu3rdd: if you see anything missing, let us know, i'm fairly sure some is | 14:10 |
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| vu3rdd | Stskeeps: thanks. I am looking at this page: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes | 14:13 |
| vu3rdd | Will try running the images first under qemu. | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's meego, not mer | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | also, ancient pages :) | 14:14 |
| vu3rdd | ok | 14:14 |
| vu3rdd | should this be the page I should look at? http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.merproject.org | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-nemo-handset-i586-testing-0.20111128.3.CE.2011-12-01.2-1.2.90.20111212.1054.iso - try this, Nemo, based on Mer | 14:15 |
| vu3rdd | thanks. | 14:16 |
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| lbt | phaeron: I was wrong ... I did puppetise img workers so it will start them | 15:38 |
| lbt | puppetadm /etc/puppet/modules/imgworker/manifests/ | 15:39 |
| phaeron | so every cron it skynet enables them ? | 15:39 |
| lbt | I think it's more that it ensures they're enabled | 15:40 |
| lbt | but the effect is the same | 15:40 |
| lbt | if you disable and touch "/var/lib/SkyNET/services/build_image" | 15:40 |
| lbt | then it shouldn't try to enable | 15:40 |
| phaeron | ok | 15:41 |
| lbt | puppet is awsome except when it isn't :D | 15:41 |
| phaeron | thanks | 15:41 |
| lbt | puppet is absolutely ideal for the Borg... | 15:41 |
| phaeron | resistance is futile :D | 15:43 |
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| lbt | with spectacle are we supposed to add "make install" to the .spec ourselves? | 17:00 |
| lbt | or is that an indication that specify doesn't understand the tarball/Makefile ? | 17:00 |
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| lbt | nm .. cut'n'pasted Builder:None d'oh | 17:06 |
| phaeron | when are we going to write a dpkg output plugin for spectacle :) | 17:08 |
| lbt | when deb BR names match debian ones | 17:08 |
| lbt | :( | 17:08 |
| phaeron | there was a mapping db for that | 17:09 |
| lbt | why does specify keep moaning: Warning: There is no "Makefile" for this package, please update it using packaging-tools | 17:11 |
| phaeron | because it is obsessed with Makefiles | 17:12 |
| lbt | I have a makefile in my tarball | 17:12 |
| lbt | and it looks in there for the dir/ | 17:12 |
| lbt | so how come it misses it? | 17:13 |
| lbt | the makefile isn't supposed to be broken out... | 17:13 |
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| phaeron | maybe it is talking about the specify related Makefile. | 17:13 |
| phaeron | so you run make instead of specify :D | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Configurations_-_KickStart_Files#How_MIC2_picks_a_package_when_different_versions_are_available | 17:21 |
| lbt | you're thinking SDK rootfs construction? | 17:22 |
| lbt | phaeron: ?? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | no, i'm thinking that this seems to have been the official solution to our old erm, versioning issue | 17:23 |
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| lbt | ah | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | i also found the only kickstarter documentation | 17:24 |
| lbt | yeah ... fabulous isn't it | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | i plan on walking through the kickstarter template :P | 17:25 |
| lbt | I'm just watching source_validator fail in some really odd ways | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | http://fosdem.org/2012/interview/carsten-munk | 17:26 |
| lbt | cool :D | 17:26 |
| lbt | fyi http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | i referred to it, i think | 17:28 |
| lbt | OK so you do | 17:28 |
| lbt | :D | 17:28 |
| lbt | and you must have seen the MS ARM lockdown ? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but that's (probably) related to MS DRM | 17:30 |
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| lbt | the mandatory trusted boot on ARM devices that can run windows | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:31 |
| lbt | that's scary | 17:31 |
| lbt | since device mfg now can't make open-able devices | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | in practice, aftermarket adaptation is really difficult anyway | 17:31 |
| lbt | some have been opening up bootloaders for android devices | 17:32 |
| lbt | yes the drivers are a pita.. | 17:32 |
| lbt | but you can at least compile a mainly clean (and/or extended) kernel | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | right, kernel is easy but getting beyond that.. | 17:33 |
| lbt | the point is that that tendency/trend will be hard(er) to cost-justify given the new MS position | 17:34 |
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| zuh | lbt: Device manufacturers _that want to ship WP_ can't make open-able devices, that's an important aspect... | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Stskeeps/Kickstarter | 18:22 |
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| lbt | OK | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | needs content, and maybe adjusting headers a bit | 18:25 |
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| lbt | is it refernce or tutorial ? | 18:26 |
| * lbt stares at uninformative "O2" logo on screen | 18:26 | |
| Stskeeps | this particular one is reference, i'll have another one for tutorial fitting into our actual setup | 18:26 |
| * lbt stares at mic config | 18:26 | |
| Stskeeps | if it boots first time, then you know you'll just have avoided problems temporarily | 18:27 |
| lbt | yea | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | check that your boot partition contains the right stuff | 18:28 |
| lbt | I think I want screen.efi in there too | 18:28 |
| lbt | boot.nsh grub.cfg startup.nsh grub.efi and vmlinuz | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | it makes life easier, yeah | 18:29 |
| lbt | disk image looks good though | 18:30 |
| lbt | d'oh .... grub,cfg has "linux /bzImage" | 18:30 |
| lbt | \o/ | 18:32 |
| lbt | Kernel panic | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | kernel panics are good ;) | 18:33 |
| lbt | exactly :D | 18:33 |
| lbt | do we do initrd usually ? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 18:39 |
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| lbt | good - but we should support making them | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | we do, i think | 18:46 |
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| timoph | 'lo | 19:20 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: what toolchain I should use with sb? | 19:20 |
| timoph | 2 | 19:20 |
| timoph | arm toolchain that is | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: mer's own provided generally.. what target? armv7l/armv7hl? | 19:21 |
| timoph | armv7hl | 19:21 |
| * Stskeeps curses | 19:22 | |
| Stskeeps | moment | 19:22 |
| timoph | :) | 19:22 |
| timoph | any will actually do since I'm just experimenting with it | 19:22 |
| timoph | just thought hl would be nice since I could try the compiled binaries on nemo n900 | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/cross-armv7l-gcc-4.6.3-3.1.Mer.i586.rpm is an armv7l ones | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'll start making an armv7hl one now (and armv6l ..) | 19:27 |
| timoph | :) | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't have mer, just rpm2cpio *.rpm | cpio -idv it, it installs nicely into opt/cross | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: thanks for reminding me, i had to include normal cross compiler as part of mer core for sb2 | 19:34 |
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| lbt | so Stskeeps what you mean by "we do, I think" | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | as in i don't have an exact url to prove mkinitrd is in or outside mer | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | at the time i said it | 19:39 |
| lbt | OK ... I can't find any meego or mer ref to an initrd/initramfs creation step | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | right | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | because traditionally we don't use them | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | slows down startup | 19:40 |
| lbt | so I guess I'd need to extend the packaging and/or provide some tool to mkinitrd for us | 19:40 |
| lbt | of course... | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | or just pre-package the needed drivers for your device in the kernel.. | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:40 |
| lbt | yeah ... this is more useful for hackers who want to build a variety of modules and modprobe them in an initramfs shell | 19:41 |
| lbt | we just say "Mer doesn't provide initrd/initramfs creation tools" | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 19:43 |
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| lbt | feel free to mentally add "yet" or "patches welcome" | 19:44 |
| lbt | did you make busybox yet? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | i'm like halfway through | 19:44 |
| lbt | so we can wait for that too | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3190908 | 19:44 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/NFS#Method_1:_NFS-Root_with_initrd is actually best I saw | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | i plan on a non-evil busybox setup, ie, you could possibly replace it with actual coreutils if you wanted | 19:45 |
| lbt | /etc/alternatives ! | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'm getting my freerunner back one of these days, should be a nice low-end target for experiments | 19:51 |
| lbt | a lot of the things in the joggler kernel config are modules btw | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | ubuntu heritage probably | 19:53 |
| lbt | sed s/m/y/ | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just what's needed | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | 19:53 | |
| Stskeeps | to get it to rootfs | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | mmc drivers, ext4, usb.. | 19:53 |
| lbt | which would be ? | 19:53 |
| lbt | yeah ... hence the desire to boot to initramfs sh and see :) | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | mmm | 19:54 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 20:03 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders buying a n9 | 20:03 | |
| lbt | osc chroot isn't setting the same env as osc build | 20:07 |
| lbt | it's building a different ARCH in each afaict | 20:08 |
| timoph | damn | 20:09 |
| timoph | need to run to the store before is closes.. | 20:09 |
| timoph | out of toilet paper... | 20:09 |
| * timoph goes | 20:09 | |
| lbt | ! | 20:09 |
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| lbt | twitter-worthy I'd have thought.... | 20:09 |
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| timoph | ok. back to trying to figure out how sb2 works | 20:31 |
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| timoph | qemu seems to take it's time to compile.. | 20:58 |
| timoph | note to self: make takes the -j argument - use it | 20:58 |
| lbt | *g* | 21:04 |
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| timoph | works with codesourcery toolchain but couldn't get it to work with mer toolchain | 21:59 |
| timoph | need figure out this tomorrow | 21:59 |
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