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| IanWizard-Cloud | Hi peeps :) | 05:28 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | How's it building? | 05:28 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | (So as to be contextual, and still, entirely un-sexist.) | 05:28 |
| Stskeeps | my coffee's brewing :P | 05:36 |
| Stskeeps | things are going fine, the core is getting incrementally better | 05:38 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5rlTrdF5Cs | 06:24 |
| dcthang | very impressive | 06:35 |
| timoph | yeah | 06:35 |
| Stskeeps | an old demo but quite nice still | 06:36 |
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| Stskeeps | benchmarking day, woo | 06:57 |
| * timoph has a headdesking day | 07:02 | |
| ZiQiangHuan | Hi,I download sage's ks file from http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/images/0.20111120.1.CE.2011.11.20.1/mer-tv-armv7l-pandaboard/,but when I use it to create a image, but got a wrong message"Error: Please specify main repo name using --mainrepo option." And I use the ks file just like this "sudo mic-image-creator -c mer-tv-armv7l-pandaboard-0.20111120.1.CE.2011.11.20.1.ks -f raw --pkgmgr=yum --arch=armv7l" | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | hi ZiQiangHuan - what you need to do is to initialize a bootstrap, hang on | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | sudo mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k /var/cache/mic -r http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ -o /var/cache/meego-bootstra | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | sudo mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k /var/cache/mic -r http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ -o /var/cache/meego-bootstrap | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | last one is correct :) | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | that will give you a small base system with the tools needed to create an image, which mic-image-creator then uses | 07:08 |
| ZiQiangHuan | thanks, I will have a try | 07:08 |
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| Sage | yey, got the udev to compile last night :) | 07:11 |
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| Sage | the diff is err... quite large to old one :) | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 07:13 |
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| Sage | two things in our udev package puzzle me, a) there is this MAKEDEV related stuff that has been removed from fedora at least already b) start_udev script is there which is also absent in fedora (related to MAKEDEV) | 07:35 |
| Sage | http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=udev.git;a=blobdiff;f=start_udev;h=ebb9cb65f82c3b3e0f5ff441c536966680ef097e;hp=49fc28608b389065b584dbe7bd2a39f402fb8a7a;hb=8fcb6e53edbe03b884264d643e56562732df50e2;hpb=94c7d90643db70fb052ceb4c80b866e6099d86eb | 07:37 |
| Sage | so pondering if we should also ditch the start_udev | 07:37 |
| Sage | and no we don't have that check there | 07:38 |
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| Stskeeps | start_udev used to be in rc.sysinit | 07:39 |
| Sage | ok, so we can remove that as well then | 07:41 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | Are we using Xorg, or wayland? | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | Xorg right now, but practically people building on top of mer can do wayland, xorg, full screen EGL/GLESv2, framebuffer, etc | 07:49 |
| * IanWizard-Cloud redirects himself to wiki. | 07:49 | |
| Stskeeps | it's really up to the UI :) | 07:49 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: ahh... so it's really segregated to a T isn't it. | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes, enabling a lot of different uses | 07:50 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: good design I suppose :) | 07:50 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | I notice the donations tab is empty too :P | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | mm, donations can be complex too | 07:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm running part of mer infra over my company budget, so i can't really take donations that easily | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | a fund to for example sponsor tshirts and materials might be good though | 07:53 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: isn't it mostly community driven? | 07:54 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: or rather... | 07:54 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | shouldn't it be? | 07:54 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | to avoid some of the MeeGo pitfalls. | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's better to think of Mer as a co-operative, where multiple individuals/companies operate and own it | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | ie, some pitch in with hardware, others pitch in with code contributions, etc | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | for the mutual benefit of the cooperative | 07:56 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: isn't that the same thinking that go MeeGo killed? | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | mmm, what makes you say that? | 07:57 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: just my impression | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | (btw, community driven does similar things, some pitch in with servers, some pitch in with code, etc) | 07:58 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: I've never had time to get into all of this bfore now.. so I'm still playing catchup | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | so it is community driven, but it doesn't mean companies can't participate | 07:58 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: what company are you from? | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | my own :) | 07:59 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: ahh, taht one :P | 07:59 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | *that | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | what skewed meego was that there was a tendancy that policy should follow the investment's interests, instead of technical merit and written down process | 08:00 |
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| Stskeeps | whereas in mer, we very much rely on the aspect of being technically driven, ie, contribution and participation gives you merit and influence, in an open process | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance_draft | 08:03 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=xorg-x11-server&oproject=Mer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&package=xorg-x11-server&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&rev=7 | 08:09 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: any ideas what we should do with that? | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | mmm, let me think about it a bit | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind if we somehow can add a %define provide_glx or something | 08:10 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | So... (sorry to take more of your time)... what has to be added on top to get a decent system? | 08:11 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | display system (xorg), UI | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | depends on what you want to do really :) | 08:12 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | appropriate apps | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | want to make a interactive busstop? QMLviewer and a qml app for it, slap it on top of Mer Core, together with a hardware adaptation, boot it up | 08:13 |
| Sage | \o/ http://pastie.org/3177018 | 08:13 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: oh, kernel as well. | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes, hardware adaptations are outside but pretty off the shelf | 08:13 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: I guess that Im' still slightly unsure of what Mer covers. | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is a core, minus UI and hardware adaptations | 08:14 |
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| Bostik | basically mer is all the "invisible, but tentacular" parts that one would face trying to put a full, non-crippled linux system on any new device | 08:16 |
| Bostik | iow. the stuff you need anyways to build your fancy software on | 08:17 |
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| niqt | can mer support ol hardware type http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/c-series/cle266/ ? I should use it for media box | 08:46 |
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| slaine | niqt, the 686 builds would work find on that | 09:00 |
| slaine | However, the open chrome/mesa stack for that is pretty out of date | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | you'd probably have to use llvmpipe | 09:01 |
| slaine | and there's no decent KMS support as of yet | 09:01 |
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| lbt | morning | 09:12 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: did you create a baseline Mer ks? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | no, not yet | 09:13 |
| lbt | OK... I'm about to do that then | 09:13 |
| lbt | I'm trying to work up a getting started 'path' | 09:14 |
| lbt | it is hard to write a narrative that doesn't get too bogged down | 09:16 |
| lbt | so I'm thinking of writing a concept/* area in the wiki | 09:16 |
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| lbt | each key concept linking to some other pages and cross-referenced | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | mm, Handboo/ ? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | Handbook/ | 09:17 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3177211 | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | mmm | 09:18 |
| lbt | it's almost a maintained link area | 09:18 |
| lbt | where's the Mer git repo url? | 09:18 |
| lbt | where is the url to the Mer Tools OBS area? | 09:19 |
| lbt | which mic do we use? | 09:19 |
| lbt | do we use kickstarter? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we will eventually | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | give me ~15 mins | 09:19 |
| lbt | fine - where's that written | 09:19 |
| lbt | sure ... but I was doing this anyhow | 09:20 |
| lbt | just an FYI really :) | 09:20 |
| lbt | and s/Concept/Handbook/ is something we can do much later ... | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ | 10:06 |
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| RaYmAn | So no surprise there..Same as good. | 10:11 |
| RaYmAn | err, google | 10:11 |
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| harbaum | Where does google demand a secured boot loader? | 10:14 |
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| Aard | 10:15 | |
| harbaum | In the android world users have leanred that the ability to install custom firmware is a plus. So something like that may actually be noticed by average users | 10:18 |
| harbaum | on the other hand: distributing cursom wp updates is already prohibited by copyright. unlike android | 10:19 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | hi, with Ubuntu 10.10 , how could I update the version of 'qemu-arm' or 'qemu-arm-static' to 0.13.0 or above? I can't find it on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/ubuntu/10.10/. | 10:51 |
| mord | ZiQiangHuan: tried https://launchpad.net/~qemu/+archive/ppa ? | 10:53 |
| mord | sorry, seems to be https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+archive/virt-daily-upstream now | 10:53 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | thank you, I will have a try. | 10:55 |
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| RaYmAn | harbaum: they do with ICS in order to be allowed to use google apps (market, gmail etc) | 11:22 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | hi,mord, it seems I can't get it work. I use "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-virt/virt-daily-upstream; sudo apt-get update", then I "sudo apt-get install qemu-arm-static", it seems qemu-arm-static version is still 0.12.5 | 11:28 |
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| mord | hmm. dunno why i had it in my head they had a newer build | 11:35 |
| mord | justathought, sorry couldn't be of assistance | 11:36 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | But with Ubuntu 10.10, how can I get the new version qemu-arm-static from somewhere else ? | 11:38 |
| Stskeepz | ZiQiangHuan: it's just a static binary.. hang on a couple of seconds and i'll get you it | 11:38 |
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| Stskeepz | ZiQiangHuan: releases.merproject.org/~carsten/qemu-arm-static | 11:42 |
| Stskeepz | ZiQiangHuan: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/qemu-arm-static | 11:42 |
| ZiQiangHuan | thank you very much, Stskeepz. | 11:43 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | When I use MIC2 to create image, I got error "qemu: fatal: cp15 insn ee1d0f70" | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | did you install this in /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static ? | 11:46 |
| ZiQiangHuan | I am downloading it, my network is not good | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it could be an idea to put a mer mirror in china | 11:49 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Totally agree with you | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | submitted bug 119 in mer bugzilla, then we remember :) | 11:51 |
| lbt | no phaeron ... | 11:54 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: neither wiki nor www know about that bugzilla, can you add a bug to bugzilla, that bugzilla needs to be more visible? :) | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | point | 11:54 |
| lbt | is alterego about much | 11:54 |
| * dm8tbr wanted to add it to MerBot, but couldn't locate the URL | 11:54 | |
| lbt | I want to get the wiki to our infra | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: prod him in /msg, he usually gets back then | 11:55 |
| lbt | OK | 11:55 |
| lbt | I should however ensure I'm ready :) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: bugs.merproject.org ;) | 11:55 |
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| lbt | and I refuse to do any (optional) infra work until I get my Joggler/vendor sorted | 11:56 |
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| * lbt waves to lool | 11:56 | |
| lool | hey there | 11:56 |
| lbt | hey | 11:57 |
| lbt | are you going to FOSDEM ? | 11:57 |
| lool | I can't :-( | 11:57 |
| lbt | aw ... | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: do we have 'mic' built for mer anywhere? | 11:57 |
| lool | I didn't miss it in years, but because I'm traveling to SFO on Sunday, it doesn't make sense to go there :-/ | 11:57 |
| lool | I'm quite sad to miss FOSDEM | 11:57 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: not atm. I build mine from git locally to my host | 11:58 |
| Sage | f15 host | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:58 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I logged a bug on that last night | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, Sage: i'm pondering it could be good to have some kind of platform SDK VM / chroot that comes with all the needed tools, initially, to avoid having to build for every other distro | 11:59 |
| lbt | a bit like mic bootstrap | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:59 |
| lbt | this is partly why I was asking about the ks | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | i do have a .ks of some degree.. sec | 12:00 |
| lbt | and why I just said "no phaeron" | 12:00 |
| lbt | I'd like to see where we are with all our tools | 12:00 |
| lbt | and I'm pulling in wiki pages from MeeGo | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-i586.ks is one | 12:02 |
| lbt | OK - ta | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | i should really get on the kickstarter bandwagon.. | 12:03 |
| lbt | you have, it says so in the comments | 12:03 |
| lbt | they are accurate aren't they? :P | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | meh, lies and videotape | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: where did we have our current kickstarter files for nemo? | 12:04 |
| Sage | https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter | 12:06 |
| Sage | kickstarter is there | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 12:06 |
| Sage | https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations | 12:06 |
| Sage | configs there | 12:06 |
| lbt | I'm going to start adding these links to the wiki | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | i think i've found the point of architecture diagrams | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | to generate names for things easier | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:08 |
| lbt | I thought they were there so you could have a corporate turf-war? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah, now that's a good idea for a conference game | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | architecture diagram twister | 12:09 |
| lbt | *g* | 12:10 |
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| Bostik | now that would be cool | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | @Mer Core is a horrible name, isn't it | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | @Mer Base would be more correct | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | or Mer Base System | 12:29 |
| Aard | @Mer Kat | 12:29 |
| iekku | all your bases belongs to us | 12:29 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: Well, Core sounds more than base, if you say Base then I would say there is too much packages in there. | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's mostly from that we call the entire (all) packages, the core | 12:43 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: I like the "Mer Core" name | 12:43 |
| smoku | more than base | 12:44 |
| Sage | Mer Platform ? | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | for a package group, just fwiw | 12:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well, that could be splitted much more. | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:45 |
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| Sage | Mainly meaning that we should not force users to have all packages in their system, but only as much they need. | 12:47 |
| smoku | like Qt? :) | 12:47 |
| Sage | well, my XBMC image doesn't need Qt for example | 12:48 |
| Sage | some doesn't need ofono or bluez maybe | 12:48 |
| smoku | in this context 'core' fits even more - as a group of packages that are absolutely crucial to have. and you build around them | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: btw, why systemd-sysv and not systemd? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | in core package group | 12:51 |
| Sage | well, systemd doesn't requires systemd-sysv automatically but systemd-sysv requires systemd :) | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:53 |
| Sage | we should clean that up yes | 12:53 |
| Sage | or hmm... no fedora has similar packaging | 12:53 |
| smoku | i.e. I don't need systemd-sysv at all | 12:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: http://pastie.org/3178061 - what would you ditch there? | 12:55 |
| * Sage checks | 12:56 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: do we want to list everything that should be there or only the main things which take the deps with them? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it's good to list what contitutes "needed binaries to boot up" | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | / "central libraries" (think glibc) | 13:00 |
| Sage | I think that is quite clean group | 13:02 |
| Sage | deltarpm is not really needed I think | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | if we have zypper, we need deltarpm | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | if you look on fedora, it can save a lot of bw :P | 13:03 |
| Sage | should zypper then maybe require deltarpm? | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it's an kinda adddon, i guess | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | good question how zypper does it | 13:04 |
| Sage | What has always been confusing to me are: basesystem, setup, filesystem, lsb-release | 13:05 |
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| lbt | xdg-user-dirs | 13:06 |
| Sage | and that | 13:06 |
| Sage | why there needs to be so many things for those | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | mmmm | 13:06 |
| Sage | e.g., basesystem doesn't contain any files :) | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | does it contain directories? | 13:07 |
| Sage | [root@localhost ~]# rpm -ql basesystem | 13:07 |
| Sage | (contains no files) | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | Requires(pre): setup filesystem | 13:07 |
| Sage | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/basesystem.git;a=blob;f=basesystem.spec;h=7a3cd58634367c9dba807685bb425522b2252b71;hb=HEAD | 13:07 |
| jstaniek_QFridge | hi | 13:07 |
| Sage | so pretty much useless package | 13:07 |
| lbt | jstaniek_QFridge: hi | 13:08 |
| Sage | probably a legacy leftof | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | lo jstaniek_QFridge - http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00118.html should have a exopc build | 13:08 |
| lbt | Sage: so maybe a task to document the purpose of each of those packages and maybe consolidate some | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | i think filesystem is meant as 'to indicate noone else owns these directories, so don't get rid of them" | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | setup is actual configuration | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, basesystem seems a bit meta-package-ish | 13:10 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well, IMO filesystem could be merged to setup or vice versa | 13:10 |
| jstaniek_QFridge | Stskeeps: cool.. always current :) | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: right | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: architectual backlog? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | +h | 13:12 |
| Sage | sure | 13:12 |
| lbt | +r | 13:12 |
| Sage | :) | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: looks like i'm in need of a friday beer | 13:12 |
| lbt | question is... | 13:12 |
| lbt | do you have it before the platform SDK meeting or after? | 13:13 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: still the same net/8021q/8021q.o: Cannot allocate memory :/ | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ah, then i can't :/ | 13:13 |
| lbt | before 300ml... after ... 3L | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | i try to avoid being drunk at irc meetings ;) | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: x86 kernel or panda or ..? | 13:13 |
| Sage | blaze | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | url please | 13:14 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kernel-adaptation-blaze&project=home%3Asage%3Ablaze&repository=Mer_Core_armv7l | 13:17 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: do we use loop devices a lot? :) | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: mic2 | 13:17 |
| Sage | well, but in Mer | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | not terribly, what do you have in mind? | 13:18 |
| Sage | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=770fe30a46a12b6fb6b63fbe1737654d28e84844 | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:19 |
| Sage | in past udev created those nodes with a bit this and that. Just wondering if we need to keep that behaviour or if we can remove it from udev | 13:19 |
| Sage | it is the old start_udev thing that does it for us | 13:21 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: with new udev those udev cmd links do not seem to work anymore http://pastie.org/3178220 | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | kill them then | 13:37 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: VERY interesting Phoronix benchmark results between Arch Linux hardfp and Ubutun linux softfp, on the same kernel versions on TrimSlice | 16:17 |
| slaine | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=arm_arch_trimslice&num=1 | 16:17 |
| w00t | apples, meet oranges | 16:20 |
| slaine | w00t, not quiet | 16:20 |
| w00t | pretty much | 16:20 |
| sledges | :} | 16:20 |
| w00t | there's way too much variance in that | 16:20 |
| slaine | I'd disagree | 16:20 |
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| w00t | different toolchains, different software versions all over the place, etc | 16:20 |
| sledges | but the outcome: don't use ArchLinux there :{ | 16:21 |
| sledges | or fix it | 16:21 |
| slaine | yeah, exactly, and the newer, hardfp ones come out worse off | 16:21 |
| slaine | I've seen similar complaints about hardfp benchmarks before | 16:21 |
| w00t | do them properly, and _then_ complain | 16:22 |
| slaine | nof | 16:22 |
| slaine | nod | 16:22 |
| slaine | doesn't mean it's not interesting | 16:22 |
| slaine | mer would be an ideal platform for that | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | also, it may not be entirely fair | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | arch linux doesn't use linaro gcc, think? | 16:24 |
| w00t | an example of variance, for instance, is that ubuntu is most likely built with linaro patched gcc, i doubt arch carry those patches | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | i | 16:24 |
| w00t | ... | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | stop copying me, bitch | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:24 |
| w00t | we really are twin souls | 16:24 |
| slaine | well, you're making assumptions now | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | i am, admittedl | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | yy | 16:24 |
| slaine | my point being, the newer, in theory better toolchain, with hardfp, came off worse | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:26 |
| slaine | bbs | 16:26 |
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| sledges | newer!=better... as long as it works - don't touch it :) | 16:30 |
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| lbt | SDK meeting in a moment | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | no, in an hour | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | 18:00 UTC | 17:02 |
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| lbt | ah | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | got time for it still, or got tango? | 17:03 |
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| lbt | I'll check | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | evening zumbi | 17:42 |
| zumbi | Stskeeps: hi | 17:42 |
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| timoph | evening | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | zumbi: we're having a meeting about platform SDK (ie, not app sdk, but image builds/building software/etc) in 17 minutes, might be interesting for you too | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | just a brainstorm | 17:45 |
| zumbi | Stskeeps: sure | 17:45 |
| zumbi | at mer-meeting? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:45 |
| zumbi | Stskeeps: how was building for arm hard float with OBS-SB2? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | zumbi: i haven't actually tried hardfloat yet, but i'm not expecting any kind of issues | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | it worked fine for softfp and for MIPS, so :) | 17:47 |
| zumbi | are there docs on the setup? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SB2 is a little out of date | 17:48 |
| zumbi | I was trying GNU hello on emulated chroot, but I got gcc ICE the other day | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | as we can build all mer packages now | 17:48 |
| zumbi | would it be much painful to build other distro as *buntu and generate a derivative? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't tested debian package building with sb2-obs, at least | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | it should theoretically work | 17:49 |
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| zumbi | I want to try that | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | i think x-fade wanted to do that too because of harmattan builds | 17:51 |
| zumbi | yep, I got an N900 and N9 with harmattan | 17:53 |
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| tpn | hey all | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: platform SDK brainstorm meeting in 7 minutes in #mer-meeting | 17:56 |
| tpn | you reckon I can get mer running on a CuBox? http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | tpn: yes, but there was some uncertainty about the kernel sources | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | check the forums | 17:56 |
| tpn | will do, seems a neat little box | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.solid-run.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8 , it seems like kernel is published | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | it does, yeah | 17:57 |
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| timoph | I'm going to a bit late (on the phone) | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:00 |
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| ali1234 | the battery in my N900 now lasts about 4 hours on standby with the screen turned off | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | that's not good | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | it's about the same amount of time it takes to change my C7 | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | *charge | 18:14 |
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| RzR | j #mer-meeting | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | RzR: http://mer.bfst.de/meetings/mer-meeting/2012/mer-meeting.2012-01-13-18.02.log.txt to catch up | 18:39 |
| RzR | thx | 18:40 |
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| slaine | good meeting | 19:01 |
| lbt | :) | 19:02 |
| lbt | back tomorrow.... 'night all | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | cya, have a good tango | 19:02 |
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| zumbi | Stskeeps: does not need to double package, just boorow the existing one and modify | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | zumbi: yeah, okay | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | deep down it's just source code anyway | 19:09 |
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| zumbi | Stskeeps: yep, but it would be based on long term supported distro | 19:10 |
| zumbi | I think mer core is great too, but I just would like to try this approach | 19:11 |
| zumbi | even mer might be more flexible for bootstrapping and such things | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be honest and say i don't see much point, as we don't give much more than systemd+emdebian+qt on top within the core, but this is open source, so i can't and won't stop you :) | 19:11 |
| slaine | heh | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | but yeah, there are some cases where bootstrapping off debian could somehow be useful | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | and then build rpms on top of that, for instance | 19:12 |
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| * Stskeeps has kitchen tablet planned for the weekend | 19:14 | |
| slaine | exopc ? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:14 |
| slaine | ux ? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | nemo based | 19:14 |
| slaine | nice | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | it runs really fast on there | 19:14 |
| slaine | I bet | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | of course it has a fan and gets really warm too, but it's a cold kitchen.. | 19:15 |
| slaine | is there a wiki entry on how to do an adaptation ? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | i think we've started slowly writing guides | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | don't we have trimslice already? | 19:16 |
| slaine | We've been in talks with the manufacturer about removing the fan and putting a heatsink pad on the back, dissipate via a stand | 19:16 |
| slaine | I think vgrade did something himself on c.obs | 19:16 |
| slaine | but I've yet to actually login to cobs and try anything, was spending what time I had trying to setup a local obs | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm hoping we can move towards a nice adaptation template, so people can take things off the shelf literally | 19:17 |
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| slaine | nod | 19:17 |
| zumbi | how do you deal with 3d driver nightmare? | 19:18 |
| slaine | that's done with hw adaptation | 19:18 |
| slaine | layercake | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | zumbi: it varies from adaptation to adaptation how difficult it is | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | we just assume they provide libGLESv2.so.1 and libEGL.so.1 from core POV | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | er, so.2 | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | we can do EULA'ed repositories as well | 19:19 |
| slaine | so for a trimslice adaptation for example, you take the hardfp drivers provided by nvidia, package them up and have that int our hw adaption project on the OBS | 19:19 |
| slaine | your kickstart file then pulls from mer core repo, your hw adaptation repo (for kernel, GLES etc.) | 19:20 |
| zumbi | it might be interesting to generate some kind of licensing report | 19:20 |
| slaine | additionally then you can have another repo that has the UX you want, memo mobile or your own concotion | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | we have licenses encoded in RPMs and trying to keep them as accurate as posisble | 19:21 |
| slaine | gah, typo's | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | so it's a matter of asking RPM | 19:21 |
| zuh | Stskeeps: What would be a good "generic" rootfs for a Cortex-A9 device to try out? | 19:21 |
| slaine | in short, that could be scripted | 19:21 |
| slaine | latest mer armv7hl ?? | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | zuh: can try with http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120105.1.NEMO.2012-01-12.2/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-testing/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-testing-0.20120105.1.NEMO.2012-01-12.2.tar.bz2 ---- we will shortly be doing generic core file system images again | 19:22 |
| slaine | wot he said ^ | 19:22 |
| * zuh downloads | 19:23 | |
| Stskeeps | it's a mistake we're not doing them atm :) | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | that's on my list for tomorrow to do | 19:23 |
| vgrade | zuh, also https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3APandaBoard | 19:23 |
| slaine | grade, get the to the pubbery | 19:24 |
| slaine | thee | 19:24 |
| vgrade | taxi at 8pm :) | 19:24 |
| slaine | I'm gonna split now | 19:25 |
| timoph | o/ | 19:25 |
| slaine | Catch you over the weekend at some point guys | 19:25 |
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| vgrade | zuh, http://images.formeego.org/tegra2/meego-mer-core-armv7l-1.2.80.20111006.0652-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 is a basic rootfs , boots to qmlviewer on framebuffer | 19:26 |
| zuh | I would prefer X.Org based thing, I'm assuming nemo is such | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | framebuffer meaning xorg-x11-drv-fbdev | 19:29 |
| zuh | ah | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | old version, though | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'll get you a better one tomorrow (i hope) | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | but for now that fs is good | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | and lighter than nemo/more likely to work out of box | 19:30 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, an oldie indeed, you forget how long it was since Mer rose again | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 19:35 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, a goodie though I used it to debug an issue on a tegra tablet with someone only a couple of days ago | 19:36 |
| vgrade | you mentioned exo , is the home crash sorted now? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | thank $DEITY | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | it was a bug in xorg configuration | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | if you ever see that on a device, switch from evdev to mtev | 19:40 |
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| vgrade | noted | 19:41 |
| vgrade | time for a few beers, night | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | nite | 19:44 |
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| zuh | Hmm, what's the root password in these images... | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | meego | 19:54 |
| timoph | legacy password :) | 19:54 |
| timoph | btw, added some content to the platform sdk wiki page | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | looks good | 19:54 |
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| zuh | [ 96.938049] login[2926]: pam_securetty(login:auth): access denied: tty 'ttyAMA2' is not secure ! | 19:57 |
| zuh | Grumble... | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | etc/securetty | 19:57 |
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| zuh | Thanks | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | meego/meego also works | 19:58 |
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| zuh | Ok, one more thing, how do I stop the uxlaunch from respawning? It's messing the console with chatter... | 20:12 |
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| Stskeeps | systemctl disable uxlaunch.disable | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | systemctl disable uxlaunch.service | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | or stop, i forget | 20:13 |
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| zuh | stop seems to have worked, thanks :) | 20:15 |
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| kulve | zuh: "one more thing". That's quite trusting :) | 20:46 |
| zuh | Well, it's "working" as in I get a working X.Org up. MCompositor doesn't seem to bother rendering anything visible though | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, not surprised | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | no glesv2/egl? | 20:49 |
| zuh | I should have those, not sure if working though. | 20:51 |
| zuh | There doesn't seem to be installed anything to verify that with... | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | usually i just do that with qmlviewer -opengl | 20:52 |
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| zuh | qmlviewer doesn't seem to be present... | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 20:53 |
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| mgrover | I understand they use Qt creator, I hope, but how do they specifically compile it for Nemo Mobile than Harmattan? | 23:12 |
| mgrover | and before that "Hello I was wondering how people are compiling programs for Nemo Mobile?"# | 23:12 |
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