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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:36 |
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| spikelinux | hola | 05:56 |
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| spikelinux | buenoas noches | 05:56 |
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| spikelinux | alguien usando Nemo en el n900? | 05:56 |
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| Stskeeps | spikelinux: sorry, most of us only speak english - could you ask in english? | 05:58 |
| spikelinux | mmmm how to install o upgrade packages in nemo for n900 | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | 'zypper' command, like in opensuse, questions welcome in #nemomobile | 05:59 |
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| spikelinux | mmm apt-get like debian is not use in nemo? | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | correct, it's rpm and zypper based | 06:01 |
| spikelinux | haaaa ok... many tks | 06:01 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/fxis-cotton-candy-gets-a-taste-of-ubuntu-we-go-hands-on/ | 06:13 |
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| Stskeeps | For the record: qt debug symbols drop from 316.9 mb to 166.4 mb, by switching from DWARF-3 to DWARF-4 debugging format | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | that's almost a 50% drop in debug symbol size :) | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | (compressed, btw) | 06:39 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: Is that automatically applied to all packages or does that need something for the packaging? | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | automatically applied, new gcc will set it as default | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | so it should be a general size differnce | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | it means everything will rebuild, but so it goes | 08:02 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: what was that linker cmdline you mentioned yesterday, the one that improved performance | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | the gnu hash style stuff? | 08:13 |
| slaine | yeah | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,300,1,gcc-hash-style-gnu.diff | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | debian has a similar one, fedora looks a bit like they lost theirs | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | still looking forward to see if it matters in practice | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | defaults to using http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ld , --hash-style=gnu | 08:16 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: nice, so our debug size will be a lot smaller | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:23 |
| * Stskeeps is running benchmarks today | 08:23 | |
| Stskeeps | our current cross compilation solution vs sb2-obs vs i586 | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | heaps and heaps of fun | 08:23 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: who's winning? ;) | 08:56 |
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| lbt | morning | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: waiting for some stuff to finish before activating the whole benchmark | 08:58 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_ | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | managed to fix the -lX11 issue? | 09:02 |
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| mdfe_ | not yet, I had some other tasks - but hopefully totay | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:03 |
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| mdfe_ | but just addind ''-lX11" to '-DCMAKE....FLAGS' does not solve the problem | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 09:04 |
| mdfe_ | I have to take a closer look | 09:05 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: hmm, but thats another error: http://pastebin.com/7E5K2Lcb | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | that looks like same | 09:15 |
| Sage | different library/binary maybe? | 09:15 |
| mdfe_ | hmm | 09:15 |
| mdfe_ | 'Invalid operation' looks strange | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | nah, normal | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | actually | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | that does look a bit weird | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | this is ld being retarded as usual | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | you need to have the -lX11 in the end | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | after the .o's | 09:17 |
| mdfe_ | I will try it via a patch | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: /whois csslayer | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:25 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: coffee? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | yesss | 09:26 |
| csslayer | What?... | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | csslayer: nothing, slip of the keyboard :) | 09:26 |
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| csslayer | Stskeeps: ok :) | 09:26 |
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| lbt | csslayer: but good morning :) | 09:26 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I raised a few bugs last night for the meeting - need to flesh out the desc in some of them | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes saw | 09:27 |
| lbt | you put a couple of pre-made searches at the footer - how? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's just important to remember that we have them and well, have to do them | 09:27 |
| lbt | template edit? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | they're not working correctly, but you can do it in searches somewhere | 09:28 |
| lbt | OK - I was going to add need-triage ... not important | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: i'm assuming your packaging hasn't caught up to the moving out of v8? | 10:12 |
| Bostik | correct | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:12 |
| Bostik | I've had my hands utterly full for the past three weeks or so | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, no rush | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | just wanted to verify so i don't spend time on that :) | 10:13 |
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| * w00t watches qt 4.8.0 build | 10:18 | |
| Stskeeps | patched the qt instdate stuff too btw? | 10:18 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: qt itself hasn't entirely caught up with that moving out | 10:18 |
| w00t | :P | 10:18 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: wasn't that mobility? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | no, qt too i think | 10:18 |
| w00t | oh, no | 10:18 |
| w00t | you're right | 10:18 |
| w00t | I'll take a look at that before I submit | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | it'll save a -lot- of build power | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:19 |
| w00t | indeed | 10:19 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: Problem: nothing provides testrunner-lite needed by sensorfw-tests-0.7.2-1.9.i586 | 11:18 |
| Sage | filed a bug about that | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | we should really have someone leading QA.. | 12:01 |
| w00t | you don't want yet another fine hat for your collection? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | testrunner-lite looked quite nice | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | no, i have enough | 12:02 |
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| * Stskeeps pokes OBS with a stick | 12:09 | |
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| Stskeeps | waiting for my Core:armv7l to finish building, so i can run those benchmarks.. | 12:13 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: the PA kde-workspace libX11 issue is solved | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 12:37 |
| mdfe_ | the bug was inside a huge patch | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:37 |
| mdfe_ | do you think about adding 'testrunner-lite' to the mer project? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's a nice tool for QA, at least | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZhHDPUeHIw | 12:39 |
| mdfe_ | I like this idea, because it is really nice tool | 12:39 |
| mdfe_ | I used it for some QA stuff for peregrine | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:39 |
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| jstaniek | btw, the tizen SDK docs look like specs not for end-developers; all these webIDLs | 12:55 |
| jstaniek | it is not proved technology; quite contrary - webos is like an evidence | 12:56 |
| jstaniek | s/proven | 12:56 |
| jstaniek | I mean wac+html5 | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 12:57 |
| jstaniek | html5 alone is portable; wac has no implementations | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | you're right | 12:57 |
| jstaniek | on mass market | 12:57 |
| jstaniek | so I like how Mer is not betting on just one narrow tech decission | 12:57 |
| veskuh | you can put wac on any device, it does not exclude native apps or other runtimes | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | it seems like WAC doesn't actually have any phone implementations public? | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | at least according to raster | 12:58 |
| veskuh | Opera has released WAC1.0 for android already year ago | 12:59 |
| jstaniek | WAC people an misorganized - this is what I hear from my coworkers | 12:59 |
| jstaniek | s/are | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: ah, didn't know that one | 13:00 |
| veskuh | http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2010/12/22/ | 13:00 |
| veskuh | Of course WAC2.0 is much larger spec, but same story as always. more apis more html5 features included | 13:01 |
| veskuh | nothing special there | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | it does look a bit awkward in the documentation there's no actual hello world example | 13:01 |
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| veskuh | Stskeeps: http://www.wacapps.net/example-web-apps/-/asset_publisher/Yz85/content/basic-hello-world?redirect=%2Fexample-web-apps | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | i kind of had that coming, didn't i | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:05 |
| veskuh | :) | 13:05 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Is there a reason why 'openjpeg' is not available anymore for Mer Arm architectures? | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: it wasn't really needed by the stuff that had it in core | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | poppler had it's own jpeg2000 decoder | 13:13 |
| mdfe_ | hmm, nice to know | 13:14 |
| mdfe_ | so openjpeg will be dropped? | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | it was dropped in general | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | if it's still there somehow, that's an error | 13:14 |
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| mdfe_ | thx | 13:14 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | ever seen a .jpx file? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:15 |
| mdfe_ | *g* | 13:15 |
| mdfe_ | not really | 13:15 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: possible bug in nano packaging http://pastie.org/3166181 | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | right, ish, don't we have --exclude-docs? | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | may be a bad rpm macro | 13:59 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3166201 --exclude-docs doesn't help here | 14:02 |
| Sage | doesn't cause problems though as there isn't other scripts run | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hello nj3ma | 14:05 |
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| nj3ma | hello Stskeeps! | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here? | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: you can try to perhaps look at the Flickr and Maps apps from Nemo (sorry for the huge delay) | 14:22 |
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| gabrbedd | gabrbedd: no problem. I only just started searching more last night. | 14:22 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: ^^ | 14:22 |
| * gabrbedd has *got* to stop talking to himself. | 14:23 | |
| Stskeeps | it's healthy, always someone to talk to | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:23 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Rusty Lynch did some pretty nice stuff with the MeeGo UX, also. | 14:23 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:23 |
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| gabrbedd | I think meego-ux-appgrid is a pretty good example. | 14:25 |
| gabrbedd | Sure, it has its shortcomings -- but I don't know if he had any models to learn from. :-) | 14:26 |
| gabrbedd | Life on the frontier. :-) | 14:26 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:27 |
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| phaeron | Sage: sent this week's boss demo to your email :) | 14:31 |
| Sage | phaeron: hehe, ok :) | 14:34 |
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| sledges | hello | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | lo sledges, how is it going? | 15:25 |
| * sledges just installed Tizen SDK - still far from N9 UI (harmattan) shininess, hopefully will fetch up one day :) | 15:26 | |
| Stskeeps | stack is nothing really to hurray about, i can only hope that their mentions of a rpm tizen is something saner | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | but at least the web runtime is out there | 15:26 |
| sledges | looks absolutely Androidish (and Bada, but me personally never saw Bada in action) | 15:27 |
| sledges | google will just sue them | 15:27 |
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| veskuh | was the plan to make polished UI in mainline or again just reference UI? | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: that's a little unclear, i think polished | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | but of course themed per vendor | 15:28 |
| veskuh | Ah, android plan then. | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: could be difficult if they put the android themes under apache license, though | 15:29 |
| sledges | yea, well then Apple will have shot two rabbits with one shot: going to sue patent forges on Android: hence on Tizen :) | 15:35 |
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| mdfe_ | vgrade: Hi, do you get WIFI running on archos gen9? | 17:16 |
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| NokiaN9 | Wow, there's a lot of people in here. | 17:34 |
| mdfe_ | you are welcome :) | 17:35 |
| NokiaN9 | Thanks, just checking in to see was it deserted or populated.. :P | 17:36 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 20:14 | |
| timoph | hmmh. looks like most of the stuff that I have in c.obs compiles against mer | 20:16 |
| timoph | just disabled all meego targets and added mer ones | 20:16 |
| timoph | actually s/disabled/removed/ | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | like what? :) | 20:17 |
| timoph | cowsay :) | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehehe | 20:18 |
| timoph | I still have to go through what makes sense to keep there | 20:19 |
| timoph | do a bit of house cleaning there | 20:19 |
| timoph | haven't touched obs in months | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | ever played with maemo sdk+ in the past? | 20:20 |
| timoph | I remember trying it once or so | 20:20 |
| timoph | that was the one based on sb2 | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:21 |
| timoph | you have something similar in mind for the mer sdk? | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, perhaps we can simplify a bit because we can fetch cross compilers and qemu from repository | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/user-guide.html | 20:22 |
| Palantir_ | Shouldn't the Mer Sdk be just a plug in for Qt Creator? | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | Palantir_: platform SDK, ie, for all stuff that isn't qt apps | 20:23 |
| timoph | platform sdk | 20:23 |
| * timoph is slow | 20:23 | |
| Stskeeps | Palantir_: application SDK would be indeed, qt creator | 20:23 |
| timoph | afaik the creator + madde stuff works already with nemo | 20:24 |
| Palantir_ | I see | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, though needs to be kind of updated | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: https://source.tizen.org/platform_sbs_install.html is tizen's SB2 based SDK as well | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | (platform) | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | so i think it should be fairly simple to have something useful | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | if you want, we can do a platform SDK brainstorm meeting to create some tasks at some point | 20:26 |
| timoph | yeah | 20:27 |
| timoph | that would be great | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to suggest a time and i'll set it up, i guess | 20:27 |
| timoph | :) | 20:27 |
| timoph | friday evening would be the first suitable time for me | 20:27 |
| timoph | gf is going to stockholm for the weekend so gives me time to hack :) | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | so that's 18:00 UTC or 19:00 or..? | 20:28 |
| timoph | both work for me | 20:29 |
| timoph | I get off from work around 4 .fi time | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok, let's make it 18:00 then, is a fairly sane time | 20:29 |
| timoph | yep | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'll send out an announcement | 20:30 |
| timoph | cool | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | friday 13th, excellent | 20:36 |
| timoph | :) | 20:36 |
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