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| smoku | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Linux-32-released/ -- looks like something to look for :) | 02:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/07/always-innovating-hdmi-dongle-android-tv-video/ , though i'd never buy an AI product due to quality concerns :P | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | (touchbook was a disaster) | 08:19 |
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| n900_ru | -1... | 09:08 |
| phaeron | morning | 09:18 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: found the place where obs sets the vendor name. it looks for the toplevel project that has signing enabled and uses it. if it doesn't find any just uses the project ID. I think making it configurable makes sense | 09:19 |
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| Stskeeps | in mer, we %define _vendor at least | 09:21 |
| phaeron | does it get used ? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | but not 100% sure | 09:22 |
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| lbt | morning o/ | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt o | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | o/ | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | quite nice pictures from china :) | 10:29 |
| lbt | it was an enjoyable trip | 10:30 |
| lbt | she's still working on them | 10:30 |
| lbt | I'm just looking at our kernel packaging ... which hardcodes 'arm' in the install path | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's just a fresh packaging | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | didn't use it for x86 yet, perhaps it can be made more generic | 10:31 |
| lbt | that was the next question | 10:31 |
| lbt | the benefit of generic is one change hits all | 10:31 |
| lbt | the disadvantage is much conditional logic | 10:31 |
| lbt | which I don't even know how to do in yaml | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think it'd be good to have 'x86 template' 'arm template' 'mips templte' maybe | 10:32 |
| lbt | I wonder if only the yaml needs to be changed | 10:32 |
| lbt | ie a shared .spec template | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | mm, maybe | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | discuss with sage? | 10:33 |
| lbt | OK | 10:33 |
| lbt | quick question ... can I write the entire thing in the yaml file? or does it need to have some in the spec template | 10:33 |
| lbt | never done one from scratch | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | usually you can write a lot in yaml but for a kernel it's not as expressive | 10:34 |
| lbt | yeah - I see that the spec needs logic .... can I embed that in the yaml as quoted sections? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 10:35 |
| lbt | OK... a "no" would have saved time hunting out the answer :) | 10:35 |
| lbt | I'll make it work first though | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | i think 'no', but i can't always trust my memory | 10:36 |
| * Stskeeps tries to figure out what to triage tomorrow | 10:38 | |
| lbt | nb.... what's your 'everyday' process for hacking on a single Mer core package? | 10:38 |
| lbt | cf http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 10:38 |
| lbt | which is (still) a WIP | 10:38 |
| lbt | (or rather "again") | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | i don't do 4) | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | i unpack into directory underneath git checkout | 10:39 |
| lbt | do you share git/osc checkout dir? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | no, but i'd like to be able to | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | csdb mentioned he had some scripts in that regard | 10:40 |
| lbt | see http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Pull_the_latest_Mer_version_from_the_gerrit_git_repo | 10:40 |
| lbt | git clone --bare | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 10:40 |
| lbt | I was doing a checkout to a tmp and mv the .git | 10:40 |
| lbt | looks neater | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:41 |
| lbt | so this is what I'm working through to get documented | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | osc getgit or something | 10:41 |
| lbt | so I'll prod you and sage for any comments | 10:41 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:41 |
| lbt | I eventually want to hack obs to support an external git | 10:42 |
| lbt | so osc co looks at the obs meta data and does a co from a git url | 10:42 |
| lbt | anyhow.... to get that sorted I need some baseline wflow with 2 vcs first | 10:43 |
| lbt | but.... kernel first | 10:43 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: kernel and versioning ... https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=kernel-adaptation-pandaboard.yaml&package=kernel-adaptation-pandaboard&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3APandaBoard&srcmd5=10f155ff4829cd41da0c8a819ff9b1c4 | 10:45 |
| lbt | that's the yaml ... line 15 has a sha1 | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's a bit ugly versioning | 10:45 |
| lbt | lines 4/5 don't mention it | 10:45 |
| lbt | any suggestions... | 10:46 |
| lbt | 3.1.5-<sha1> isn't allowed | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | go for stable, normally :P | 10:46 |
| * Stskeeps isn't so well versed in the new kernel packaging | 10:46 | |
| lbt | I think this is a generic version/release issue (sorry) | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | typically you'd use <version-next>~git<commit count>.<sha1> or something like that | 10:47 |
| lbt | yeah ... | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | that's the only incremental one | 10:47 |
| lbt | speaking of which | 10:47 |
| lbt | what's our version policy on ~ | 10:47 |
| lbt | do we support patch 53? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | 3.1.5~foo < 3.1.5 | 10:48 |
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| lbt | good | 10:48 |
| lbt | how does V.R-C.I fit into <version-next>~git<commit count>.<sha1> | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | <version next>~etc -is- V | 10:50 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: forget it... but please put Versioning on the RE agenda :) | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:51 |
| lbt | it's sunday morning and this is a big topic | 10:51 |
| lbt | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10910 for the agenda notes | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok, bug cycle: a bug can't have a priority and still be need-triage, right? | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | at least a triaged bug | 10:54 |
| lbt | correct ... but anticipating "overloading" ... please don't overload "has prio" as "triaged" | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:54 |
| lbt | shall I raise that version issue as a bug? ... ie is that how we want to handle issues like that? | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's a process bug | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | good sunday jukkaeklund :) | 11:18 |
| jukkaeklund | same, thanks! | 11:19 |
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| lbt | hey jukkaeklund ... HNY | 11:22 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: Tried that "tying it out" tutorial in ubuntu 10.10 in virtual box but get an error when I run mic-image-creator | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | tpn: which error? | 11:24 |
| jukkaeklund | lbt, HNY U2 | 11:24 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: Just trying again so I can copy and paste it :P | 11:24 |
| lbt | :) | 11:24 |
| lbt | swerden.... can't miss saying HNY | 11:25 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: I'll pastebin the output. | 11:25 |
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| tpn | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/renXNdXH | 11:28 |
| tpn | 'Error: Command 'VBoxManage' is not available. ' | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | uhh :P | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | tpn: just do -f raw | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | ie, --format=raw | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | or fs | 11:30 |
| tpn | OK, giving it another go | 11:30 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: Are those warnings ok? quite a few of those repomd.xml.key's are failing | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | that's okay | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | we don't sign at the moment since we know the key handling isn't secure, so we aren't going to even pretend it is | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | until we've set up a sane signing serve | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | r | 11:34 |
| tpn | hehe fair enough | 11:34 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo Do you know if any of that is up-to-date or working? Seems to be quite conflicting. | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | ancient, probably | 11:35 |
| tpn | What about: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#Joggler_Image_based_on_kernel-adaptation-intel-automotive_and_new_MeeGo_packaged_EMGD_Driver or http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/joggler/ | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | bit more up to date :) | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade would know more | 11:36 |
| tpn | OK, will have a play when I hace some time | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm happy that my exopc is now usable with nemo | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | can finally move forward on my kitchen project | 11:39 |
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| tpn | Stskeeps: Sounds cool. I've been hacking something together for a kitchen pc. | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | i wanted joggler originally out there as well, but screen may be too small | 11:42 |
| tpn | Yeah it is a tad small, especially with the keyboard on screen. Have got an old 3M 15" capacitive touch screen. | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:43 |
| tpn | Spent ages trying to install the official drivers in linux, then found the inputattach command -.- | 11:44 |
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| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: I know the versioning in the kernel isn't nice atm. Haven't given much though to it. ~git<count>-sha sounds good. Needs a good docuementation how to get it. | 11:49 |
| lbt | Sage: yeah | 11:54 |
| lbt | I'm not complaining ... the packaging is *so* much nicer :D | 11:54 |
| lbt | I'm adding some more comments and docs and I'll see about making it multi-arch | 11:55 |
| * Stskeeps glances at libsolv | 11:55 | |
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| Stskeeps | python bindings, hmm.. | 11:57 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: I think that AI device is using an OMAP | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: probably, yeah | 12:03 |
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| _Thomas | Stskeeps: I don't think we're the only device like the at CES | 12:10 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: But I do think we're the only device offering all the things we're offering | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, usb stick size devices seem to be quite up in fashion | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:10 |
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| _Thomas | Sitting at CPH now, just waiting for my connecting flight to Chicago | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | cph's such a boring airport, isn't it? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:11 |
| _Thomas | 3h at each airport is a pain | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | i hate going there, except for the burger king in the arrivals hall | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:12 |
| _Thomas | hehe | 12:12 |
| _Thomas | I'm just next to the 7-11 after passport control to C-gates | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:12 |
| _Thomas | I need to pickup some food before my plane leaves, but I've got plenty of time... Departure time is 1540 | 12:13 |
| Sage | lbt: there is some issues with my kernel packaging still. For example the kernel name doesn't contain adaptation. | 12:15 |
| Sage | lbt: but yes, it is so much nicer than the one before IMO as well :) | 12:15 |
| lbt | yet... | 12:15 |
| lbt | I'm hacking on it quite a lot | 12:16 |
| lbt | mainly to support x86 | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: curious, how many subscribers does mer-general have? | 12:55 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Are there any commercial devices that uses mer now? | 12:55 |
| kulve | I would guess that Mer gets again more attention, when the raspberry pi -boards arrive | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: given that we launched fairly short ago, no, but archos g9 will use it and plasma active for their open source distro thing | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | but there is commercial projects related to mer, at least, currently mostly used for demos | 12:57 |
| _Thomas | ok | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | let's see how things turn out :) | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | a | 13:09 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps or Sage ... do (or can) we enable lua in rpm ? | 13:50 |
| lbt | pretty please | 13:50 |
| lbt | http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/RpmLua | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | thought it was already | 13:51 |
| lbt | that's fine then | 13:51 |
| lbt | when I read: "Example of a Macro %define patch_suffix%{!-z:%{-b:--suffix %{-b*}}}%{!-b:%{-z:--suffix %{-z*}}}%{!-z:%{!-b: }}%{-z:%{-b:%{error:Can't specify both -z(%{-z*}) and -b(%{-b*})}}} \ %{uncompress:%patch_file} | patch %{-p:-p%{-p*}} %patch_suffix %{-R} %{-E} " | 13:52 |
| lbt | I realise how wonderful rpm is | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:53 |
| lbt | it's like the worst bits of perl and lisp and shell all mixed up together ... with some ed for funsies | 13:53 |
| lbt | I like the look of lua stuff.... | 13:54 |
| lbt | "Syntax errors in <lua> scripts are detected at package build time" | 13:54 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt Stskeeps have checked for bugfixes in OBS, also 2.3 branch so we get it into Merproject @ github | 14:16 |
| ScriptRipper | realized that 2.3 branch upstream is buggy | 14:17 |
| ScriptRipper | lots of master fixes needed not in 2.3 branch, have to check if 2.3 is dead | 14:17 |
| ScriptRipper | AdrianS initial approach was "2.3 can handle new incident handling used by openSUSE 12.1" | 14:18 |
| ScriptRipper | this seems not to be the case | 14:19 |
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| phaeron | ScriptRipper: adrian told me 2.3 branch is dead | 15:08 |
| ScriptRipper | thats what I wanted to say, yes | 15:25 |
| ScriptRipper | did he say why ? | 15:25 |
| ScriptRipper | phaeron, lets say it like that: I know some reasons why its dead, but what did he say why it is dead | 15:27 |
| ScriptRipper | effectively, he branched too early, so what he needed for openSUSE 12.1 incident handling is not in | 15:29 |
| * Stskeeps glances at tizen source | 15:37 | |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: what source :D | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: source.tizen.org/source | 16:12 |
| * phaeron looks | 16:12 | |
| Stskeeps | i think it's early out so i'll give them a rest and ability to launch it properly before commenting on technical merits | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | but hey, they use SB2 too :) | 16:15 |
| lbt | emacs isn't in there anymore | 16:25 |
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| dm8tbr | heh, reference kernel is ARM, not intel | 16:30 |
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| lbt | http://source.tizen.org/source/platform_sbs_build.html ..... "sbs -A i386 -e dpkg-buildpackage -b" | 16:34 |
| lbt | yep... it is | 16:34 |
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| dm8tbr | hmm is it back to .deb? I see debian directories but also .spec files | 16:35 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: # cat mer-general/subscribers.d/* | wc -l | 16:36 |
| smoku | 139 | 16:36 |
| vakkov | has anybody downloaded the sdk | 16:36 |
| vakkov | of tizen .. | 16:36 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: It's been building all day (really slow internet atm ~40kb/s), just hit ctrl+c to copy a link out of curiosity and just cancelled it! If I run it again will it use the cache of downloaded packages? Or redownload the lot? | 16:37 |
| tpn | vakkov: I just got 403 on the link for the SDK | 16:37 |
| vakkov | yep, me too | 16:37 |
| wmarone | the SDK bin file will download | 16:38 |
| vakkov | Forbidden | 16:38 |
| lbt | tpn if it used the cpio archive method you're out of luck - usually caching works well though | 16:38 |
| tpn | lbt: Guess I will leave it running over night :/ | 16:39 |
| vakkov | so, we have to wait until February for tizen | 16:40 |
| wmarone | heh | 16:45 |
| wmarone | the stupid build script doesn't poll for processors, so it single threads everything | 16:45 |
| wmarone | anyway, I need to figure out how to get Xorg to properly respond to the touchscreen | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: ta | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | tpn: mic2 will cache | 17:01 |
| tpn | Cool, well it's still going :P | 17:01 |
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| n900_ru | hello | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 18:23 |
| n900_ru | sorry. mmcblk0p2 - flas? or memory phone? | 18:24 |
| n900_ru | flash* | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | it depends, check 'df -h' | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | that gives a good indication | 18:24 |
| n900_ru | ? | 18:26 |
| n900_ru | please | 18:26 |
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| n900_ru | ? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | it might be, but check df -h, if /home/user/MyDocs is at mmcblk0, it's memory phone | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | as i said, write the SD card from a pc | 18:28 |
| n900_ru | okay) | 18:29 |
| n900_ru | thanke you | 18:30 |
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| n900_ru | mm | 18:53 |
| n900_ru | mount - commande know? | 18:54 |
| n900_ru | mm or commandes... | 18:54 |
| n900_ru | yes.. | 18:55 |
| n900_ru | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | then mmcblk0 is internal memory of the phone | 18:56 |
| n900_ru | ) | 18:56 |
| n900_ru | ok | 18:56 |
| n900_ru | hmm | 18:56 |
| wmarone | Stskeeps: are udev rules necessary to ensure Xorg properly detects and uses input devices? I'm seeing some in the N900 project, but not in the actual image | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: depends, xorg.conf rules are used to ignore them | 18:58 |
| wmarone | ah | 18:59 |
| wmarone | yeah there we are, disabled accelerometer | 18:59 |
| n900_ru | ) | 18:59 |
| wmarone | and the touchscreen | 18:59 |
| wmarone | ok | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: touchscreen might need -mtev | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | xorg-x11-drv-mtev | 19:02 |
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| mgrover_ | id just like to say wow, i remember using a release about 2 months ago and it was okay, but the latest nemo mobile is stunning | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks, #nemomobile would also love to know :) | 19:30 |
| mgrover_ | will do | 19:30 |
| mgrover_ | ah crap i think i broke the irc chat on nemo lol | 19:31 |
| dm8tbr | does someone have the IP cached for source.tizen.org? seems DNS has a 'hickup' ;) | 19:32 |
| wmarone | ha | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: server's completely down again | 19:34 |
| dm8tbr | ah, ok | 19:34 |
| dm8tbr | so someone noticed the 'OOPS' and pulled the plug | 19:34 |
| timoph | :) | 19:34 |
| dm8tbr | that's also what I expected | 19:35 |
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| tpn | Stskeeps: The build has finished. I have a 'raw' image. How do I load this into virtual box? | 19:49 |
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| tpn | Stskeeps: How do I use the raw image in virtualbox? | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | tpn: -f livecd would probably be best, (not going to re-download) | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | will generate an .iso | 20:41 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: byacc and doxygen updates in gerrit | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ta | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | i've tried to make review process a little more solid | 20:43 |
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| Sage | there is a lot of false positives in gerrit :( | 20:45 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: ta? | 21:00 |
| tpn | ta, as in thanks | 21:02 |
| smoku | weird | 21:03 |
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| lbt | Sage: in the morning : does our kernel -devel pkg deliberately not install xen/ and target/ includes? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=kernel-adaptation-pandaboard.spec&package=kernel-adaptation-pandaboard&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3APandaBoard&srcmd5=10f155ff4829cd41da0c8a819ff9b1c4 lin 113 | 22:12 |
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| interested | Hello, a quick question - is Mer currently for Nokia n9, n900 and n950 devices exclusive? | 22:13 |
| lbt | no | 22:14 |
| lbt | it supports other arm devices and x86 and mips too | 22:14 |
| interested | what other devices are out there that could run it? | 22:14 |
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| interested | not in theory but successfully installed on and running I mean | 22:15 |
| lbt | was looking for a link | 22:15 |
| interested | thx | 22:16 |
| lbt | bear in mind Mer is not an installable distro | 22:16 |
| lbt | it's designed to support multiple HA ... hardware adaptations | 22:16 |
| interested | no? not like nemo? | 22:16 |
| lbt | no | 22:16 |
| lbt | nemo is based on Mer | 22:16 |
| lbt | nemo provides the HA | 22:16 |
| lbt | for the devices you mention | 22:17 |
| interested | alright, then I got it wrong - I understand | 22:17 |
| lbt | it also provides HA for exopc | 22:17 |
| lbt | but... PlasmaActive is a totally different UI | 22:17 |
| smoku | interested: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4XxQpJpitY | 22:17 |
| lbt | and it runs on exopc and archos et | 22:17 |
| smoku | interested: and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5-setgsIfY | 22:18 |
| lbt | it runs on joggler, Nook too | 22:18 |
| lbt | beagleboard | 22:18 |
| lbt | RasPi | 22:18 |
| interested | will watch it, thanks lbt and smoku for now! | 22:18 |
| lbt | np | 22:18 |
| lbt | so interested... why are you interested ? | 22:18 |
| smoku | interested: and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fouPJRLygNQ | 22:18 |
| interested | I was looking for a device that could run it to toy around with it | 22:19 |
| lbt | so what do you have? | 22:19 |
| lbt | main issue is usually gfx drivers :( | 22:20 |
| interested | I'm on my trusty nokia n71 and got a spare SE p1i | 22:20 |
| interested | I was rather looking for a cheap android device to try it on | 22:21 |
| lbt | it kinda feels like you want Nemo if you want to 'run' it | 22:21 |
| tpn | Jogglers are ~£50. | 22:21 |
| lbt | true | 22:21 |
| lbt | Mer is more for platform developers - though you're welcome if that's what you want | 22:22 |
| smoku | interested: you won't find one (android device). the ones with open bootloader lack video drivers | 22:22 |
| * lbt is looking forward to the Samsung devices... | 22:22 | |
| interested | indeed, I want to run it - I'm not too fond of code yet | 22:22 |
| smoku | with one exception of archos tablets. but these lack gsm ;-) | 22:22 |
| smoku | lbt: yup. the upcoming ones with OMAP4 look promising. | 22:23 |
| interested | tizen and maybe meltemi could be interesting | 22:23 |
| smoku | in the mean time I'm toying with samsung H1 :) | 22:23 |
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| * lbt is hoping to get the joggler up | 22:24 | |
| lbt | 'properly' | 22:24 |
| smoku | http://www.flickr.com/photos/smoku/6578359365 :) | 22:24 |
| interested | H1 might do it, hmm | 22:25 |
| lbt | smoku: gfx? | 22:25 |
| interested | gui would be most welcome, not pure terminal | 22:26 |
| smoku | lbt: it's OMAP 3430 - same as N900 | 22:26 |
| interested | but it won't run cssu? | 22:26 |
| smoku | maemo is closely tied to nokia specific hardware, so - no | 22:27 |
| lbt | smoku: OK.... | 22:27 |
| interested | how open is samsung's bada? also a linux derivate I thought | 22:28 |
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| interested | smoku,: any manuals you can recommend to get something to run on the H1? | 22:52 |
| smoku | there are none | 22:53 |
| smoku | interested: well... maybe http://h1.pargon.nl/wiki/index.php?title=MeeGo - but that's not for the beginners | 22:54 |
| interested | that one has to do then. thanks! any other pages for OMAP 3430 based devices? | 22:56 |
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| smoku | interested: N900 ones :) | 23:01 |
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| interested | thought about that, getting a n900 for 120 € ... but that one is a brick, not a "mobile" phone anymore ^^^ | 23:04 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt, still there ? | 23:16 |
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| lbt | ScriptRipper .... pong | 23:55 |
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