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| wmarone | heh | 02:09 |
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| wmarone | trying to download the qt sdk from my ubuntu vm just returns a 403, works fine in Windows | 02:09 |
| wmarone | ... but will binaries produced by it work on mer? | 02:09 |
| wmarone | yay, ssh session on nook color | 02:18 |
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| wmarone | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/Nook_Color | 05:54 |
| beford | pics or it didn't happen | 06:10 |
| beford | :p | 06:11 |
| wmarone | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/nook/20120106_003.jpg | 06:11 |
| wmarone | it happened! | 06:11 |
| wmarone | rly! | 06:11 |
| wmarone | ;p | 06:11 |
| beford | cool :) powervr driver is the same that n900 uses? | 06:13 |
| wmarone | no powervr driver installed yet, that's omapfb | 06:13 |
| wmarone | but | 06:13 |
| wmarone | it'll probably use the same one the N950 is | 06:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: use omapfb and stock TI SGX drivers imho :) | 07:05 |
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| Stskeeps | harbaum: coming to FOSDEM this year? | 08:02 |
| harbaum | nope | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 08:02 |
| harbaum | recently got the third child and the time for this type os stuff is even further reduced | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah, can imagine :) | 08:03 |
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| vgrade | morning | 09:03 |
| vgrade | I have a touchscreen driver to integrate this weekend | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to make an image with hardfp armv6 | 09:16 |
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| _av500_ | gross | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | it compiled surprisingily well | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | morn phaeron o/ | 09:55 |
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| lbt | morning all | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | mdavey: i haz benchmarks | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: http://pastie.org/3142460 | 10:36 |
| mdavey | hmm | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | patching the rest atm | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | so a clear gain on hardfp in linpack | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3142526 as well | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | i'll zip up my patched benchmarks so you can compare on softfp+vfp glibc | 10:41 |
| mdavey | Thanks. | 10:41 |
| mdavey | http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiPerformance | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's what i compare with | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | / use | 10:42 |
| mdavey | thats loops=1000 for whet? | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | didn't give me the chance to specify loops | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | using the second zip | 10:44 |
| * mdavey is having problems comparing that to the softfp results on the wiki | 10:46 | |
| Stskeeps | yes, me too | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | hence why i'm going to zip the benchmarks that can build for linux up :) | 10:46 |
| mdavey | linpack isn't too surprising, about 22% improvement - not to be sneezed at :D | 10:50 |
| mdavey | Many thanks for looking at this. | 10:51 |
| mdavey | you took the whet code from rowley or from virgin.net? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | virgin, rowley was 404 | 10:54 |
| mdavey | There's a big thread on the forum somewhere, with a number of posts by jamesh among others. Might be worth using that. Could also ask for another link to the rowley code. | 10:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morn andre__ | 11:05 |
| andre__ | heja | 11:05 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning | 11:10 |
| phaeron | lbt: morning | 11:10 |
| lbt | phaeron: hi :) | 11:11 |
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| phaeron | lbt: so the api server is actually what handles the effects of accepting a request | 11:13 |
| lbt | yes | 11:15 |
| lbt | api handles access control and prepares for b/e which just schedules and srvs src | 11:15 |
| n900_ru | hello) | 11:16 |
| lbt | hi n900_ru | 11:17 |
| phaeron | lbt: I mean it is responsible for actually calling the different backend functions for copying from source to destination etc .. | 11:20 |
| lbt | yes, makes sense | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, joggler hw adaptation seems pretty straightforward these days | 12:32 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, yea the work at http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/source/kernel/ helps | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | that, and the IEGD wayland adaptation seems to include a 1.10 xorg driver | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: i really wonder how we can fix the 404 for logs on localdep to linkedbuild=all | 12:52 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I am still trying to reproduce it here so I can debug it | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | define here? | 13:01 |
| phaeron | local obs vm | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: hint on the bug, osc co doesn't work either | 13:41 |
| phaeron | mm | 13:41 |
| * Stskeeps investigates more | 13:42 | |
| n900_ru | please wride rusish...)))))) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know russian, sorry :) | 13:46 |
| n900_ru | ))) | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: looks like a FE issue: http://pastie.org/3143215 | 13:51 |
| n900_ru | o_O | 13:52 |
| phaeron | hmm | 13:52 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I think it might be a result of this package not being recorded in the frontend database | 13:52 |
| * Stskeeps tries something | 13:54 | |
| phaeron | insert a row in the db | 13:58 |
| phaeron | and see if it works | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, it shouldn't be recorded i would guess | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | either way, at least we've localized the bug to fe | 14:00 |
| phaeron | was just discussing with lbt , front end has some scope creep | 14:01 |
| mdavey | Stskeeps: found the thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/floating-point-performance | 14:02 |
| phaeron | at least in a few cases I think it should just fallback to asking the backend instead of making assertions like this based on its database | 14:02 |
| mdavey | (re previous discussion about r.pi benchmarks) | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: can you write a couple of lines about the copy project as a whole you're doing thing? | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | like what it does, what it can't do, that kind of thing, potential uses | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | i have an idea where this would be really useful in, so | 15:45 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: the idea is : creating a "merge project link" capability. | 16:08 |
| phaeron | For example you want to see if a package update breaks any of its reverse deps in a certain project without disturbing people building against that project. | 16:08 |
| phaeron | You create a project link with build mechanism localdep and copy the package there. All the needed rebuilds happen there. if anything breaks you haven't broken your target project. | 16:09 |
| phaeron | if everything passes you want to get that package into the target project, but all the needed work is already done in the project link. | 16:09 |
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| phaeron | so instead of copying it into the target project and rebuilding all the reverse deps _again_ you just "merge" the project link to its target. | 16:10 |
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| phaeron | copy project with binaries allows to do that , and the way I want to do it , the scheduler can decide to rebuild the packages if anything that was used to build them is different or has changed | 16:11 |
| phaeron | however it can't make sure that rpm "vendors" match since they were built in a different project. Not sure how that will work out with zypper | 16:13 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: gtg now , back in 2 hours or so | 16:18 |
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| * Stskeeps is trying to fix some of the annoying issues of mer process.. | 18:16 | |
| * matrixx have flights and hotel reserved for FOSDEM | 18:17 | |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | remember the beer event on friday? | 18:17 |
| matrixx | yeah, I'll be arriving 18:20 to BRU | 18:17 |
| matrixx | so will attend :) | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i think i'll land around same time actually | 18:18 |
| matrixx | :) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah, 18:30 | 18:18 |
| matrixx | pretty close | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | knowing LOT, i'll arrive next day | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:20 |
| matrixx | hehe | 18:20 |
| * dm8tbr needs to look at booking flights WRO-BRU-WRO too | 18:21 | |
| dm8tbr | and some hotel | 18:21 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: what's the current starting point for creating an adaptation kernel package | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | sec, we have something quite clean nowadays | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-pandaboard&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3APandaBoard | 18:35 |
| lbt | ta | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me.. | 18:36 |
| * Stskeeps files an architectual backlog bug | 18:36 | |
| lbt | I have an upstream kernel sha1, several patches and a config | 18:36 |
| lbt | and actually that looks like what I need | 18:36 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: what are you trying to do with that spec? | 18:38 |
| lbt | you're going to make the entire RE team redundant.... look at the meego one ... *that's* how you keep your job! | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that kernel spec was horror | 18:39 |
| vandenoever | is there a list of devices for which mer is available? | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | vandenoever: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace is a good list of the small projects in the mer community | 18:39 |
| lbt | for fosdem: take a sellotaped up printout of the meego spec and a slide of the Mer one | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | good idea for the shirt? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90 | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | (https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90) | 18:42 |
| lbt | I was going to make a default HA package | 18:43 |
| vandenoever | Stskeeps: thanks | 18:45 |
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| phaeron | back | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 19:57 |
| phaeron | thanks | 19:57 |
| phaeron | too much tofu | 19:58 |
| tpn | So guys, how can I build an image for my Joggler? | 19:58 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: did you get my description ? too long ? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | tpn: start with testing the steps in http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: yes, thank you | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i'm pondering if it's an easier sell if we somehow can wrap things in a 'build' abstraction and integrate into stuff like jenkins | 20:01 |
| phaeron | so what did you have in mind as a usecase | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | ie, that we can basically form any kind of specific mer build | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | though i'm not convinced of the idea just yet | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | might make it easier to move to non-obs things eventually too | 20:02 |
| phaeron | which idea ? jenkins ? | 20:03 |
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| phaeron | or the project copy | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | jenkins and using the project copy idea together with it | 20:03 |
| phaeron | integration with jenkins is always brought up | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | ie, an abstraction of a build, start from a previous build, add changes, build new | 20:04 |
| phaeron | hmm | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | see where i'm going with that thought? | 20:04 |
| phaeron | yeah kinda | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | we could even model a mini-obs on top of that fairly easily, start from a previous build result, add some changes, build new | 20:05 |
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| phaeron | but you need parts of the obs backend to do the "localdep prjlink" | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | or something similar, yeah | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | just thinking ahead | 20:06 |
| phaeron | I was always tickled by the idea of a jenkins frontend to the obs backend | 20:06 |
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| phaeron | since almost everyone wants CI for a single platform or product. even if it is made of different components or projects | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:07 |
| phaeron | obs is too distro oriented and an overkill in most cases | 20:07 |
| lbt | phaeron: what's your username on bz | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | my idea would be that we don't effectively need to implement a full obs, just "start from this set of binaries and sources, add changes, build packages, loop until done, publish build" | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | and emulating this at first with a full obs | 20:08 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yeah emulating it effeciently with obs is what I am trying to do. so I am trying to workaround the constant rebuilding because each project is a "vendor" | 20:09 |
| phaeron | lbt: iamer | 20:09 |
| lbt | iamer did not match anything | 20:09 |
| phaeron | mm | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | which bz | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:10 |
| lbt | merproject | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: couple it with my fakeobs disk format and we have something curious | 20:10 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: interesting :) | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | "please build this packages.xml + prj config.." | 20:12 |
| phaeron | we need a more concrete description of what we need to extract out of obs | 20:12 |
| phaeron | lbt: not sure, trying to remember | 20:12 |
| phaeron | is it tied to any ldap ? | 20:12 |
| phaeron | I guess not , so I must have never logged into that one | 20:13 |
| lbt | mmm this sounds like a great way to end up with a white elephant | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 20:13 |
| phaeron | must be an English thing. /me googles :D | 20:14 |
| lbt | the "OBS is too heavy" | 20:14 |
| lbt | when you want to financially ruin a family, you give them a white elephant.... you have to keep it for reasons of pride. but the upkeep ruins you | 20:15 |
| lbt | just suggesting caution | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:16 |
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| phaeron | yeah but we already agree that obs comes with a lot of baggage we don't want since we don't buy in wholesale to suse's concepts | 20:18 |
| phaeron | vendors and OS patches and maintenance projects are examples of some | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | just braindumping: dump scheduler state with a build too | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | in order to continue on a previous build | 20:20 |
| phaeron | as far as I understand this somewhat how I convinced the scheduler not to rebuild the copied project packages | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | :full.solv-ish? | 20:21 |
| phaeron | I insert a copy of a package's :meta/package which contains src md5 sums of the packages used during build | 20:22 |
| phaeron | gcc and glibc and whatnot | 20:22 |
| phaeron | the scheduler looks at them and compares what it would use if it were to build and then loses iterest | 20:22 |
| phaeron | *interest | 20:23 |
| phaeron | :) | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:23 |
| phaeron | this is how I understand it at least | 20:23 |
| phaeron | but yeah the scheduler does dump its state on shutdown. so we can pick that feature up to get a warm startup of the scheduler everytime for this "mini build" | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | worth thinking about at least | 20:28 |
| phaeron | what if this becomes part of the per repo cache dir that obs can slurp when configuring download on demand against that repo | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's already possible to download 'solv' across obs links | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly | 20:30 |
| phaeron | but it is recalculated every scheduler restart , and is part of the scheduler "state" | 20:31 |
| phaeron | or it reads it everytime , not sure | 20:31 |
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| lbt | is "make uImage" part of mainline? | 20:40 |
| kimju | iirc yes, but you need the mkimage from uboot to use it | 20:41 |
| lbt | OK ... maybe it's only active if .config is arm then | 20:42 |
| kimju | atleast arch/arm/Makefile and arch/powerpc/Makefile mention it on vanilla tree | 20:45 |
| lbt | ARCH=arm enables it | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | make bzImage on x86 i guess | 21:17 |
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| phaeron | lbt: check now | 21:39 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, I was making the spec work with both | 21:41 |
| lbt | phaeron: OK | 21:41 |
| lbt | you spelt your name wrong phaeron | 21:42 |
| phaeron | actually that's the correct spelling. | 21:42 |
| lbt | *g* so I'm right either way ;) | 21:43 |
| phaeron | lol | 21:43 |
| lbt | just need a comma :: you spelt your name wrong, phaeron | 21:43 |
| phaeron | it's a long story | 21:43 |
| lbt | you're default cc on the BOSS component | 21:44 |
| * lbt watches osc build build his ***DOCUMENTED*** HA kernel package | 21:44 | |
| lbt | and hugs his SSD | 21:44 |
| lbt | OK ..so the .yaml specifies : - "/boot/uImage" as a Files: entry | 21:47 |
| lbt | I need that to be conditional upon arch | 21:47 |
| phaeron | lbt: ok, I'll start migrating bugs and tasks next week | 21:49 |
| lbt | if you'd like to do any other setup - and we discussed using another tool | 21:49 |
| phaeron | mer bz makes sense | 21:50 |
| lbt | OK | 21:50 |
| lbt | are you tempted to install BAYOT ? | 21:50 |
| phaeron | and Stskeeps said he's ok with it | 21:50 |
| phaeron | lbt: hell no | 21:50 |
| * lbt listens for the screams ... | 21:50 | |
| phaeron | lbt: not yet | 21:50 |
| phaeron | lbt: for scm I am still considering github | 21:51 |
| lbt | is that still being developed? | 21:51 |
| phaeron | lbt: I think yes | 21:51 |
| lbt | I want to avoid githug | 21:51 |
| phaeron | why | 21:51 |
| lbt | github | 21:51 |
| lbt | we need to be vendor oriented | 21:52 |
| lbt | and they need to install infra in a private infra | 21:52 |
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| lbt | so I don't want to depend on non-mer services | 21:52 |
| lbt | at least, for things like git where we want to automate | 21:52 |
| phaeron | I just want to make my life easier :D | 21:52 |
| lbt | you probably buy apple stuff too | 21:53 |
| phaeron | heh, no I don't | 21:53 |
| phaeron | just not trying to build a white elephant, as you put it so eloquently :D | 21:54 |
| lbt | yeah - I'm not suggesting writing anything - just using affero compatible stuff | 21:54 |
| lbt | but probably not gitorious | 21:55 |
| phaeron | redmine maybe ? | 21:55 |
| lbt | possilby .... (and anyway ... you know I use github myself all the time) | 21:56 |
| phaeron | redmine is trac done right | 21:56 |
| macmaN | phaeron: no it really isnt | 21:57 |
| phaeron | I knew that would provoke someone :D | 21:57 |
| macmaN | but this not to spark a discussion, just to let the crowd know there are people who think different :> | 21:57 |
| macmaN | i know this is a holy war thing and i dont have time for now | 21:57 |
| phaeron | macmaN: different opinions are welcome | 21:57 |
| phaeron | actually I have no preference to either | 21:57 |
| lbt | *nod* | 21:57 |
| macmaN | im py, im tilted | 21:58 |
| macmaN | btw google "bloodhound trac" | 21:58 |
| macmaN | wandisco is trying to set up a fork and apache incubate it | 21:58 |
| phaeron | oh I am too. I write py all the time. but I also write perl and ruby when I have to | 21:58 |
| * macmaN descending to dark caves of wordpress php modules. thanks /hilight redmine | 21:59 | |
| phaeron | I left php drupal a long time ago | 21:59 |
| phaeron | I never look back | 21:59 |
| * lbt would like to avoid php things ... | 22:01 | |
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| phaeron | macmaN: but that bloodhound thing is quite recent. | 22:01 |
| macmaN | hence the "trying" | 22:02 |
| macmaN | just fyi. its interesting. | 22:02 |
| macmaN | to me, at least. | 22:02 |
| phaeron | I hope it works for the future :) I did some trac hacks work in the past | 22:04 |
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| tpn | Stskeeps: So I'm trying to run mic-create-bootstrap. What is the repo path? | 22:49 |
| tpn | "sudo mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k /your/repo/cache/path -r http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ -o /your/final/bootstrap " | 22:50 |
| tpn | its the -k option. What path do I supply? I'm building on Ubuntu 10.10 | 22:54 |
| lbt | tpn that's just a local dir that you use | 22:55 |
| lbt | eg /var/cache/mic | 22:55 |
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| tpn | lbt: thanks. Trying to get this working on a Joggler. Bit out of my depth right now, but I hear you've played with it on a Joggler too? | 22:56 |
| lbt | I use mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k /var/cache/mic -r http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ -o /var/cache/meego-bootstrap | 22:56 |
| lbt | hehe ... building a new kernel this evening | 22:56 |
| lbt | just working out the 'new' mer packaging for it and documenting the process | 22:57 |
| tpn | lbt: Ok. Well let me know how you get on. | 22:58 |
| lbt | I'll be doing a very minimal Mer image - nothing actually 'useful'... but it should show how to add packages to a Mer core | 22:59 |
| tpn | lbt: I'm a little inexperienced when it comes to building images / what-ever-they-are's haha! | 23:00 |
| lbt | an image is just like a disk image | 23:02 |
| lbt | normal distros use an install process - we automate it totally and then just boot the 'image' | 23:03 |
| tpn | lbt: Got that bit :) But when it comes to adapting an image to work of different hardware :P that's me gone | 23:03 |
| lbt | yeah .. it's not clearly documented | 23:04 |
| tpn | Should this image work out of the box on my Joggler then? | 23:04 |
| lbt | no | 23:04 |
| lbt | it's going to be a bit tricky to ge the right blobs for the IEGD driver | 23:04 |
| tpn | Ok, well I'll see how far I get. Trying it in Virtual Box first. | 23:11 |
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| tpn | lbt: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/meego-handset-joggler.ks | 23:26 |
| tpn | What's the difference between IEMG and EMGD ? | 23:32 |
| lbt | a good memory for acronyms | 23:33 |
| tpn | lbt: Just got to the bit: "Talk to lbt on #meego-dev for a login" on the Joggler wiki haha! | 23:34 |
| lbt | :) | 23:34 |
| lbt | do you need an account enabling on the obs? | 23:35 |
| tpn | ldt: I had to google what 'obs' was so I think that's a no for now. | 23:38 |
| tpn | The wiki seems a bit conflicting. Do you know if that kickstart will work? Or if the tutorial at the bottom of the page works? http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo | 23:40 |
| lbt | there are some very outdated things there | 23:40 |
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| lbt | try http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade | 23:42 |
| lbt | http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/joggler/ too | 23:42 |
| tpn | thanks lbt: Bookmarked for tomorrow. Need some sleep first :P | 23:46 |
| lbt | me too | 23:46 |
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| tpn | The create-bootstrap command is still running, crappy internet speed is not helping! | 23:46 |
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| tpn | Night all, thanks for the help. | 23:49 |
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