Saturday, 2012-01-07

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wmaronetrying to download the qt sdk from my ubuntu vm just returns a 403, works fine in Windows02:09
wmarone... but will binaries produced by it work on mer?02:09
wmaroneyay, ssh session on nook color02:18
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befordpics or it didn't happen06:10
wmaroneit happened!06:11
befordcool :) powervr driver is the same that n900 uses?06:13
wmaroneno powervr driver installed yet, that's omapfb06:13
wmaroneit'll probably use the same one the N950 is06:13
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Stskeepswmarone: use omapfb and stock TI SGX drivers imho :)07:05
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Stskeepsharbaum: coming to FOSDEM this year?08:02
harbaumrecently got the third child and the time for this type os stuff is even further reduced08:03
Stskeepsah, yeah, can imagine :)08:03
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vgradeI have a touchscreen driver to integrate this weekend09:04
Stskeepsi'm going to make an image with hardfp armv609:16
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Stskeepsit compiled surprisingily well09:26
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron o/09:55
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lbtmorning all10:01
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Stskeepsmdavey: i haz benchmarks10:36
Stskeepspatching the rest atm10:38
Stskeepsso a clear gain on hardfp in linpack10:39
Stskeeps as well10:40
Stskeepsi'll zip up my patched benchmarks so you can compare on softfp+vfp glibc10:41
Stskeepsyes, that's what i compare with10:41
Stskeeps / use10:42
mdaveythats loops=1000 for whet?10:43
Stskeepsdidn't give me the chance to specify loops10:44
Stskeepsusing the second zip10:44
* mdavey is having problems comparing that to the softfp results on the wiki10:46
Stskeepsyes, me too10:46
Stskeepshence why i'm going to zip the benchmarks that can build for linux up :)10:46
mdaveylinpack isn't too surprising, about 22% improvement - not to be sneezed at :D10:50
mdaveyMany thanks for looking at this.10:51
mdaveyyou took the whet code from rowley or from
Stskeepsvirgin, rowley was 40410:54
mdaveyThere's a big thread on the forum somewhere, with a number of posts by jamesh among others.  Might be worth using that.  Could also ask for another link to the rowley code.10:55
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Stskeepsmorn andre__11:05
phaeronStskeeps: morning11:10
phaeronlbt: morning11:10
lbtphaeron: hi :)11:11
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phaeronlbt: so the api server is actually what handles the effects of accepting a request11:13
lbtapi handles access control and prepares for b/e which just schedules and srvs src11:15
lbthi n900_ru11:17
phaeronlbt: I mean it is responsible for actually calling the different backend functions for copying from source to destination etc ..11:20
lbtyes, makes sense11:21
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Stskeepslbt: btw, joggler hw adaptation seems pretty straightforward these days12:32
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vgradeStskeeps, yea the work at helps12:37
Stskeepsthat, and the IEGD wayland adaptation seems to include a 1.10 xorg driver12:37
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Stskeepsphaeron: i really wonder how we can fix the 404 for logs on localdep to linkedbuild=all12:52
phaeronStskeeps: I am still trying to reproduce it here so I can debug it13:00
Stskeepsdefine here?13:01
phaeronlocal obs vm13:01
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Stskeepsphaeron: hint on the bug, osc co doesn't work either13:41
* Stskeeps investigates more13:42
n900_ruplease wride rusish...))))))13:44
Stskeepsi don't know russian, sorry :)13:46
Stskeepsphaeron: looks like a FE issue:
phaeronStskeeps: I think it might be a result of this package not being recorded in the frontend database13:52
* Stskeeps tries something13:54
phaeroninsert a row in the db13:58
phaeronand see if it works13:58
Stskeepswell, it shouldn't be recorded i would guess13:59
Stskeepseither way, at least we've localized the bug to fe14:00
phaeronwas just discussing with lbt , front end has some scope creep14:01
mdaveyStskeeps: found the thread:
phaeronat least in a few cases I think it should just fallback to asking the backend instead of making assertions like this based on its database14:02
mdavey(re previous discussion about r.pi benchmarks)14:02
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Stskeepsphaeron: can you write a couple of lines about the copy project as a whole you're doing thing?15:45
Stskeepslike what it does, what it can't do, that kind of thing, potential uses15:45
Stskeepsi have an idea where this would be really useful in, so15:45
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phaeronStskeeps: the idea is : creating a "merge project link" capability.16:08
phaeronFor example you want to see if a package update breaks any of its reverse deps in a certain project without disturbing people building against that project.16:08
phaeronYou create a project link with build mechanism localdep and copy the package there. All the needed rebuilds happen there. if anything breaks you haven't broken your target project.16:09
phaeronif everything passes you want to get that package into the target project, but all the needed work is already done in the project link.16:09
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phaeronso instead of copying it into the target project and rebuilding all the reverse deps _again_ you just "merge" the project link to its target.16:10
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phaeroncopy project with binaries allows to do that , and the way I want to do it , the scheduler can decide to rebuild the packages if anything that was used to build them is different or has changed16:11
phaeronhowever it can't make sure that rpm "vendors" match since they were built in a different project. Not sure how that will work out with zypper16:13
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phaeronStskeeps: gtg now , back in 2 hours or so16:18
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* Stskeeps is trying to fix some of the annoying issues of mer process..18:16
* matrixx have flights and hotel reserved for FOSDEM18:17
Stskeepsremember the beer event on friday?18:17
matrixxyeah, I'll be arriving 18:20 to BRU18:17
matrixxso will attend :)18:17
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Stskeepsi think i'll land around same time actually18:18
Stskeepsah, 18:3018:18
matrixxpretty close18:18
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Stskeepsknowing LOT, i'll arrive next day18:20
* dm8tbr needs to look at booking flights WRO-BRU-WRO too18:21
dm8tbrand some hotel18:21
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lbtStskeeps: what's the current starting point for creating an adaptation kernel package18:35
Stskeepssec, we have something quite clean nowadays18:35
Stskeepswhich reminds me..18:36
* Stskeeps files an architectual backlog bug18:36
lbtI have an upstream kernel sha1, several patches and a config18:36
lbtand actually that looks like what I need18:36
lbtStskeeps: what are you trying to do  with that spec?18:38
lbtyou're going to make the entire RE team redundant.... look at the meego one ... *that's* how you keep your job!18:38
Stskeepsyes, that kernel spec was horror18:39
vandenoeveris there a list of devices for which mer is available?18:39
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Stskeepsvandenoever: is a good list of the small projects in the mer community18:39
lbtfor fosdem: take a sellotaped up printout of the meego spec and a slide of the Mer one18:40
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Stskeepsgood idea for the shirt?18:41
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lbtI was going to make a default HA package18:43
vandenoeverStskeeps: thanks18:45
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phaerontoo much tofu19:58
tpnSo guys, how can I build an image for my Joggler?19:58
phaeronStskeeps: did you get my description ? too long ?20:00
Stskeepstpn: start with testing the steps in
Stskeepsphaeron: yes, thank you20:01
Stskeepsphaeron: i'm pondering if it's an easier sell if we somehow can wrap things in a 'build' abstraction and integrate into stuff like jenkins20:01
phaeronso what did you have in mind as a usecase20:01
Stskeepsie, that we can basically form any kind of specific mer build20:01
Stskeepsthough i'm not convinced of the idea just yet20:02
Stskeepsmight make it easier to move to non-obs things eventually too20:02
phaeronwhich idea ? jenkins ?20:03
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phaeronor the project copy20:03
Stskeepsjenkins and using the project copy idea together with it20:03
phaeronintegration with jenkins is always brought up20:03
Stskeepsie, an abstraction of a build, start from a previous build, add changes, build new20:04
Stskeepssee where i'm going with that thought?20:04
phaeronyeah kinda20:04
Stskeepswe could even model a mini-obs on top of that fairly easily, start from a previous build result, add some changes, build new20:05
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phaeronbut you need parts of the obs backend to do the "localdep prjlink"20:06
Stskeepsor something similar, yeah20:06
Stskeepsjust thinking ahead20:06
phaeronI was always tickled by the idea of a jenkins frontend to the obs backend20:06
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phaeronsince almost everyone wants CI for a single platform or product. even if it is made of different components or projects20:07
phaeronobs is too distro oriented and an overkill in most cases20:07
lbtphaeron: what's your username on bz20:08
Stskeepsmy idea would be that we don't effectively need to implement a full obs, just  "start from this set of binaries and sources, add changes, build packages, loop until done, publish build"20:08
Stskeepsand emulating this at first with a full obs20:08
phaeronStskeeps: yeah emulating it effeciently with obs is what I am trying to do. so I am trying to workaround the constant rebuilding because each project is a "vendor"20:09
phaeronlbt: iamer20:09
lbtiamer did not match anything20:09
Stskeepswhich bz20:10
Stskeepsphaeron: couple it with my fakeobs disk format and we have something curious20:10
phaeronStskeeps: interesting :)20:11
Stskeeps"please build this packages.xml + prj config.."20:12
phaeronwe need a more concrete description of what we need to extract out of obs20:12
phaeronlbt: not sure, trying to remember20:12
phaeronis it tied to any ldap ?20:12
phaeronI guess not , so I must have never logged into that one20:13
lbtmmm this sounds like a great way to end up with a white elephant20:13
phaeronmust be an English thing. /me googles :D20:14
lbtthe "OBS is too heavy"20:14
lbtwhen you want to financially ruin a family, you give them a white elephant.... you have to keep it for reasons of pride. but the upkeep ruins you20:15
lbtjust suggesting caution20:15
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phaeronyeah but we already agree that obs comes with a lot of baggage we don't want since we don't buy in wholesale to suse's concepts20:18
phaeronvendors and OS patches and maintenance projects are examples of some20:18
Stskeepsjust braindumping: dump scheduler state with a build too20:18
Stskeepsin order to continue on a previous build20:20
phaeronas far as I understand this somewhat how I convinced the scheduler not to rebuild the copied project packages20:21
phaeronI insert a copy of a package's :meta/package which contains src md5 sums of the packages used during build20:22
phaerongcc and glibc and whatnot20:22
phaeronthe scheduler looks at them and compares what it would use if it were to build and then loses iterest20:22
phaeronthis is how I understand it at least20:23
phaeronbut yeah the scheduler does dump its state on shutdown. so we can pick that feature up to get a warm startup of the scheduler everytime for this "mini build"20:24
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Stskeepsworth thinking about at least20:28
phaeronwhat if this becomes part of the per repo cache dir that obs can slurp when configuring download on demand against that repo20:30
Stskeepswell, it's already possible to download 'solv' across obs links20:30
phaeronbut it is recalculated every scheduler restart , and is part of the scheduler "state"20:31
phaeronor it reads it everytime , not sure20:31
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lbtis "make uImage" part of mainline?20:40
kimjuiirc yes, but you need the mkimage from uboot to use it20:41
lbtOK ... maybe it's only active if .config is arm then20:42
kimjuatleast arch/arm/Makefile and arch/powerpc/Makefile mention it on vanilla tree20:45
lbtARCH=arm enables it20:50
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Stskeepsmake bzImage on x86 i guess21:17
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phaeronlbt: check now21:39
lbtStskeeps: yes, I was making the spec work with both21:41
lbtphaeron: OK21:41
lbtyou spelt your name wrong phaeron21:42
phaeronactually that's the correct spelling.21:42
lbt*g* so I'm right either way ;)21:43
lbtjust need a comma :: you spelt your name wrong, phaeron21:43
phaeronit's a long story21:43
lbtyou're default cc on the BOSS component21:44
* lbt watches osc build build his ***DOCUMENTED*** HA kernel package21:44
lbtand hugs his SSD21:44
lbtOK the .yaml specifies :     - "/boot/uImage"    as a Files: entry21:47
lbtI need that to be conditional upon arch21:47
phaeronlbt: ok, I'll start migrating bugs and tasks next week21:49
lbtif you'd like to do any other setup - and we discussed using another tool21:49
phaeronmer bz makes sense21:50
lbtare you tempted to install BAYOT ?21:50
phaeronand Stskeeps said he's ok with it21:50
phaeronlbt: hell no21:50
* lbt listens for the screams ...21:50
phaeronlbt: not yet21:50
phaeronlbt: for scm I am still considering github21:51
lbtis that still being developed?21:51
phaeronlbt: I think yes21:51
lbtI want to avoid githug21:51
lbtwe need to be vendor oriented21:52
lbtand they need to install infra in a private infra21:52
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lbtso I don't want to depend on non-mer services21:52
lbtat least, for things like git where we want to automate21:52
phaeronI just want to make my life easier :D21:52
lbtyou probably buy apple stuff too21:53
phaeronheh, no I don't21:53
phaeronjust not trying to build a white elephant, as you put it so eloquently :D21:54
lbtyeah - I'm not suggesting writing anything - just using affero compatible stuff21:54
lbtbut probably not gitorious21:55
phaeronredmine maybe ?21:55
lbtpossilby .... (and anyway ... you know I use github myself all the time)21:56
phaeronredmine is trac done right21:56
macmaNphaeron: no it really isnt21:57
phaeronI knew that would provoke someone :D21:57
macmaNbut this not to spark a discussion, just to let the crowd know there are people who think different :>21:57
macmaNi know this is a holy war thing and i dont have time for now21:57
phaeronmacmaN: different opinions are welcome21:57
phaeronactually I have no preference to either21:57
macmaNim py, im tilted21:58
macmaNbtw google "bloodhound trac"21:58
macmaNwandisco is trying to set up a fork and apache incubate it21:58
phaeronoh I am too. I write py all the time. but I also write perl and ruby when I have to21:58
* macmaN descending to dark caves of wordpress php modules. thanks /hilight redmine21:59
phaeronI left php drupal a long time ago21:59
phaeronI never look back21:59
* lbt would like to avoid php things ...22:01
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phaeronmacmaN: but that bloodhound thing is quite recent.22:01
macmaNhence the "trying"22:02
macmaNjust fyi. its interesting.22:02
macmaNto me, at least.22:02
phaeronI hope it works for the future :) I did some trac hacks work in the past22:04
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tpnStskeeps: So I'm trying to run mic-create-bootstrap. What is the repo path?22:49
tpn"sudo mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k /your/repo/cache/path -r -o /your/final/bootstrap "22:50
tpnits the -k option. What path do I supply? I'm building on Ubuntu 10.1022:54
lbttpn that's just a local dir that you use22:55
lbteg /var/cache/mic22:55
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tpnlbt: thanks. Trying to get this working on a Joggler. Bit out of my depth right now, but I hear you've played with it on a Joggler too?22:56
lbtI use mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k /var/cache/mic -r -o /var/cache/meego-bootstrap22:56
lbthehe ... building a new kernel this evening22:56
lbtjust working out the 'new' mer packaging for it and documenting the process22:57
tpnlbt: Ok. Well let me know how you get on.22:58
lbtI'll be doing a very minimal Mer image - nothing actually 'useful'... but it should show how to add packages to a Mer core22:59
tpnlbt: I'm a little inexperienced when it comes to building images / what-ever-they-are's haha!23:00
lbtan image is just like a disk image23:02
lbtnormal distros use an install process - we automate it totally and then just boot the 'image'23:03
tpnlbt: Got that bit :) But when it comes to adapting an image to work of different hardware :P that's me gone23:03
lbtyeah .. it's not clearly documented23:04
tpnShould this image work out of the box on my Joggler then?23:04
lbtit's going to be a bit tricky to ge the right blobs for the IEGD driver23:04
tpnOk, well I'll see how far I get. Trying it in Virtual Box first.23:11
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tpnWhat's the difference between IEMG and EMGD ?23:32
lbta good memory for acronyms23:33
tpnlbt: Just got to the bit: "Talk to lbt on #meego-dev for a login" on the Joggler wiki haha!23:34
lbtdo you need an account enabling on the obs?23:35
tpnldt: I had to google what 'obs' was so I think that's a no for now.23:38
tpnThe wiki seems a bit conflicting. Do you know if that kickstart will work? Or if the tutorial at the bottom of the page works?
lbtthere are some very outdated things there23:40
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lbt too23:42
tpnthanks lbt: Bookmarked for tomorrow. Need some sleep first :P23:46
lbtme too23:46
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tpnThe create-bootstrap command is still running, crappy internet speed is not helping!23:46
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tpnNight all, thanks for the help.23:49
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