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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:58 |
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| vgrade | monring | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 07:29 |
| fw190 | morning | 07:45 |
| fw190 | just tested the latest Nemo image | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, some few regressions? | 07:46 |
| fw190 | had some small problems with crashing apps | 07:46 |
| fw190 | like phone app not responding | 07:46 |
| fw190 | but forcing it to close worked | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | which image? | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | just to be certain | 07:46 |
| fw190 | the laest from yesterday | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:47 |
| fw190 | I had a call, talked a few minutes and then hit the red button and had the pop up which told that the app is not responding | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:47 |
| fw190 | and picked up to close and all went ok | 07:47 |
| fw190 | and one more thing | 07:48 |
| fw190 | maybe this is related with N900 | 07:48 |
| fw190 | when using the "don't know how tu call ity"- this button on the right side to unlock the screen it froze the phone | 07:48 |
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| Stskeeps | reminds me a bit of a bug i found in my car | 07:49 |
| fw190 | also had a crash with unlocking the screen- couldnt move the lock to the center to unlock and had to take out the battery | 07:49 |
| fw190 | but all this could be partialy my fault- maybe I do things to quick like in maemo | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | if there's traffic info going on (RDS), and you press the down button, it freezes the entire radio interface and resets itsel | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | f | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:50 |
| fw190 | does gprs connection work on nemomobile? | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | there's some patches waiting for us upstream | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | it used to work | 07:51 |
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| fw190 | it just came to me that I'm in wrong room ;) should be talking about it in #nemomobile ;) | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:52 |
| fw190 | should I move? | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:52 |
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| Dieterbe | how does nemo on n900 compare to maemo in terms of features and reliability? | 08:59 |
| Dieterbe | put in another way: for a n900 users who wants his stuff to work, should i stick with maemo or try nemo? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | probably best to ask in #nemomobile :) | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | you can always try nemo on a microsd, decide if it's for you, and go painlessly back | 09:00 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "The Mer Project - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/ | Contribution to packages: http://bit.ly/tJUL43 | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs | To see what you can help with, http://bit.ly/ymlJ0c & find newest 'Available tasks to do' post | Meetings: http://bit.ly/yP9Jg6" | 09:03 | |
| Dieterbe | hi Stskeeps, IIRC we met @ maemo summit in amsterdam :) yeah i'll go to #nemomobile | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | Dieterbe: probably :) it feels like we're back in 2009 all of us sometimes, with Mer being alive, etc :P | 09:04 |
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| Dieterbe | those were the days... "every attendant gets a n900" *euphory* | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | it totally ruined n810 development overnight | 09:10 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: how bad does cordia build results look after we upgraded toolchain? | 10:20 |
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| smoku | let me see | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | most are probably going to be linker errors | 10:36 |
| smoku | I guess it didn't rebuild automagically, as there is no difference | 10:37 |
| smoku | I'll trigger the rebuilds | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | what repo do you build against? Mer:fake:* , right? | 10:37 |
| smoku | Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl/Core_armv7hl | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | if there's no failures, that's good too :P | 10:39 |
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| smoku | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Asmoku%3ACordia%3ACore | 10:39 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: no change... :( https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=gobject-introspection&project=home%3Asmoku%3ACordia%3ACore&repository=Mer_Core_armv7hl | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: SB2 not integrated yet | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | i was worried about the linker symbol issue instead causing problems | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | i hope to have SB2-OBS in COBS and core in two weeks tops | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | merging patches atm | 10:41 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: copying withbinaries works. but target project decides to rebuild anyway | 10:45 |
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| phaeron | trying to dig into that | 10:46 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: oh. so what was the toolchain change? the linaro gcc? | 10:47 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: yes, and binutils 2.22, the release notes of mer core explain a little more | 11:01 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: but the vendor info stuff embedded in the rpm needs to be less specific otherwise zypper is going to throw fits .. | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: hmm? | 11:12 |
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| phaeron | if a project gets binaries copied into it and doesn't rebuild them , they won't match the other binaries in the same project. which for zypper looks like you're mixing rpms from different vendors | 11:17 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: ah yes. the strict linking dependencies. it does not affect Cordia, as we are building our packages for Fedora also. Fedora introduced strict linking two releases ago, so we needed to fix our packages already ;-) | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: ah good | 11:24 |
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| lbt | phaeron: ping | 13:09 |
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| phaeron | lbt: pong | 13:09 |
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| lbt | just thinking about the local build process | 13:10 |
| lbt | you were working on an alternative to chroot | 13:11 |
| lbt | mmm | 13:11 |
| lbt | multi-pkg chroot | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: might be useful to see what SB2-OBS can offer too | 13:11 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah ... how far away from "osc build" equiv is that? | 13:11 |
| lbt | as I mentioned I'm reviewing what needs doing for the build | 13:12 |
| phaeron | yeah well it didn't get anywhere | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: depends, want to build software or rpmbuild? | 13:12 |
| lbt | phaeron: just unfinished or did it hit snags | 13:12 |
| phaeron | unfinished | 13:12 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: platform packages | 13:12 |
| lbt | branch OBS pkg on c.obs; local checkout of branch | 13:13 |
| lbt | then local git clone of Mer master | 13:13 |
| lbt | then "osc build" | 13:13 |
| lbt | at which point I have 3 copies of the source | 13:13 |
| lbt | then I snapshot the src (new git checkin?) so I can make a patch | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | point | 13:14 |
| lbt | so I'm trying to fix this part | 13:14 |
| lbt | ideally I'd like to have a checkout of the mer master and then somehow use only that | 13:15 |
| phaeron | use gerrit which pushes to obs :D | 13:15 |
| lbt | hmm | 13:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: well, some people used to do manual "build" | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | ie, not osc build, but "build" against a repo | 13:15 |
| lbt | what does that gain? | 13:16 |
| lbt | manually maintained buildroot area? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | it resolves deps on it's own and uses a rpm repo | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no osc involved | 13:16 |
| lbt | whereas osc makes a dedicated (known) local repo | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | right | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | in this scenario, someone wold rsync down a mer release and build against it | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://wiki.meego.com/Local_Build_Without_OBS_Needed | 13:18 |
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| lbt | OK - that's also suitable for multiple package development in a big chroot | 13:18 |
| lbt | with local installation of new code | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:19 |
| lbt | essentially platform emulation | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | and compatible with sb2obs | 13:19 |
| lbt | for development | 13:19 |
| lbt | not test | 13:19 |
| lbt | I think there's a need for both | 13:20 |
| lbt | package-in-chroot (ie osc build) and dev-platform-chroot (ie phaeron's unfinished + managed build root) | 13:21 |
| phaeron | I don't think osc build is needed in this case | 13:21 |
| lbt | how many devs have you trained to use chroots etc :) | 13:22 |
| lbt | osc build is a subset of the other one | 13:22 |
| lbt | but (IMHO) many devs need the management done for them | 13:22 |
| lbt | iirc our 'complaints' came from the super-devs ... they need the full multi-package approach | 13:23 |
| lbt | I agree that it should support both... but "osc build" currently comes for free and is supported upstream | 13:23 |
| lbt | phaeron: thoughts? | 13:24 |
| phaeron | maybe work more on osc build , or write a similar plugin that works akin to just "build" | 13:26 |
| smoku | maybe something like sb-menu would be enough? something that automates chroot setup and switching with nice menus. | 13:27 |
| lbt | I think osc build could probably grow to support the 'plain build' style | 13:27 |
| smoku | I personally find working with sb2 good enough for software development | 13:27 |
| lbt | smoku: yeah - hmm "osc build" with named chroot | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | obs-less, ideally.. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:28 |
| lbt | smoku: I am waiting to see what sb2-isms are | 13:28 |
| smoku | lbt: yes. and a menu position to launch "emulator" - either Xephyr or qemu | 13:28 |
| lbt | smoku: ui eventually ... | 13:29 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: that was one use-case | 13:29 |
| smoku | that's a bit overkill. you can teach an IDE-guy to use text menus, but hardcore vi-devs are repulsed when you try to sell them GUI | 13:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: the think OBS brings to the table here is "only" dev-package dependency resolution isn't it | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: no, build actually does that itself too | 13:30 |
| lbt | smoku: yeah ... I said "ui" ... ie menus :) | 13:31 |
| smoku | ok :) | 13:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: kinda .. it (used to) send the sopec to the OBS for a pkg list | 13:31 |
| lbt | for chroot building | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes, now it doesn't have to, AFAIK | 13:32 |
| lbt | mmm are you sure it's not just cached? | 13:32 |
| lbt | the problem is inter-project depends | 13:32 |
| lbt | ie which project repo is used to provide a pkg | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes, sure | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, check out the page "build without obs" :P | 13:33 |
| lbt | but anyhow... the point is that if you develop against a snapshot you don't care | 13:33 |
| lbt | and build *can* do it | 13:33 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: when do we see if the perl rebuild patch worked? | 14:55 |
| * Stskeeps ooks | 14:55 | |
| Stskeeps | well, i don't see that specific problem right this minute | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | it was the one with the datestamp? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | there's a little more to chase though, http://webui-ci.tspre.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=perl&project=Core%3Aarmv7l&repository=Core_armv7l | 14:57 |
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| phaeron | ok basic poc for copyprj with binaries without rebuild is working | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 15:51 |
| phaeron | I need to rest my eyes a bit from the perl | 15:53 |
| * phaeron goes back to python | 15:53 | |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: for some reason my .ks'es doesn't work with the nook, did you have a raw image i could try? | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | also, it's really scary when it refuses to power on | 16:20 |
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| wmarone | Stskeeps: did you not get the one I posted previously? | 16:29 |
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| wmarone | http://side-7.us/files/mer/meego-mer_sgx-1.2.90.20111220.1734-raw.tar.bz2 | 16:30 |
| wmarone | that's the last one I built | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, fetching that one | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | and then files to put on /boot == ? | 16:32 |
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| wmarone | the image is complete | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | oh, ok | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | that's even better then :) | 16:45 |
| wmarone | it doesn't build complete with the .ks | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | got g_ether on it or something along those lines? | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: cute with the mer uboot logo :) | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: OK, where do i get a kernel from? i need to ssh to this thing :) | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | a=the | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | ie, sources | 17:47 |
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| csdb | Stskeeps, I scratched my itch :) | 17:57 |
| csdb | I've made a couple of mods to mic2, and I've cherry-picked them onto master here: https://github.com/csdb/mic/commit/46e8ad5c2c91eee604a918a21c1d00fd6bc674f5 | 17:57 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 17:58 | |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | we should apply that to 'mic' too | 17:58 |
| csdb | haven't tested it in master though (I'm using a local branch with a number of mods that is quite different from the upstream right now) | 17:58 |
| csdb | I also pushed this cherry-pick: https://github.com/csdb/mic/commit/8aaca23535a2211febf75a3b789b71574905961e | 17:58 |
| csdb | which makes mic friendly to a busybox-based setup if you're interested | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | that i am kind of interested in yeah | 17:59 |
| * Stskeeps bookmarks | 17:59 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm working on a bit different cross compile approach, should be very useful for tiny setups | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | though only on paper and small prototypes so far | 18:00 |
| csdb | so with this change, the following %post eliminates the problem: http://pastie.org/3138613 | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:01 |
| csdb | I also have mods for openssh, udev to use it (it's harmless if you don't have the modified mic since all it does is behave as before if it can't find the magic file) | 18:01 |
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| csdb | do you want me to push that up to build.pub.meego.com ? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | we use a bit different approach in mer, basically git cloning a repo and git pushing it to our gerrit instance for review+tests | 18:02 |
| wmarone | let me post a tarball with my sources | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | 18:02 |
| wmarone | and yeah, I had fun with the logo :) | 18:02 |
| csdb | interesting. How do you get it from git to obs ? | 18:04 |
| csdb | is it manual ? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | csdb: we have something called fakeobs (mer delivery system), which emulates the API of a linked OBS over http, which our builders build against - we all got a bit pissed over build.meego.com API reliability | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | this fakeobs bases upon a core with packages.xml pointing to certain commmits of git repos | 18:05 |
| csdb | I've created a number of in-house scripts to take care of that - so we have internally every package being git-hosted and just use obs as the build machine | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | so we have http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb and http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=packages.xml;h=78b31f5f4ad81493255c736ca86fb4307c3de9fa;hb=HEAD | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's not so good our tarballs are in git, admittedly, but we needed a quick start | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | the advantage of this setup is that anyone can set up their own mer build | 18:06 |
| * csdb is off to a meeting | 18:06 | |
| Stskeeps | cya | 18:06 |
| csdb | We can talk later. We have a number of osc command addons to take care of a lot of this git-to-obs stuff | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | that could be useful | 18:07 |
| wmarone | Stskeeps: http://side-7.us/files/mer/ | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: it's a little awkward not even fbdev works | 18:18 |
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| wmarone | Stskeeps: were there any fbdev patches in the N950 kernel adaptation? | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: well, for our special sgx drivers yes but normal fbdev should work | 18:59 |
| wmarone | ok | 19:11 |
| wmarone | honestly I'm at a loss as to why it wouldn't work, short of a missed option in the kernel config or a missing patch | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | has people run silly things like ubuntu on it? | 19:11 |
| wmarone | I have | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | and no issue? | 19:12 |
| wmarone | couldn't do anything with it due to no keyboard/no touchscreen response, but it displayed the login screen | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: what's in the uRamdisk? | 19:19 |
| wmarone | a disabled init and not much else | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:19 |
| wmarone | it's mostly there to keep u-boot happy | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: got in over usb | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | enabled usb g_ether gadget and hacked in a ifconfig usb0 | 19:30 |
| wmarone | ooh | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, now that's mysterious | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | i have qmlviewer | 19:32 |
| wmarone | so it didn't work on boot but does when you start it from the shell? | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | i have a hunch or two | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | a | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | h | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's far more stupid than that :) | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | show me your .ks please? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | actually, nm, i have it | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: http://pastie.org/3139188 | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: D'oh!'s are in order | 19:44 |
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| wmarone | those ten lines were missing? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | no, the last one | 19:44 |
| wmarone | ah | 19:45 |
| wmarone | makes sense | 19:45 |
| wmarone | heh | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | it couldn't execute the default session as it didn't exist | 19:45 |
| wmarone | doh | 19:46 |
| wmarone | can you post how you set up the usb ethernet, I haven't done that before | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, hang on | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/nook/.config | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | this will give you a compile error in composite.c, add #include <linux/delay.h> | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | i would recommend you to somehow get the 169.254.*.* ip it gets showing on ui | 19:48 |
| wmarone | alright | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | also, the x server sees the accelerometer as a input device | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | with hillarious results | 19:49 |
| wmarone | mouse wobbles around on the screen? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:50 |
| wmarone | nice | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/nook/20120106_003.jpg | 19:57 |
| wmarone | sweet! | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | the obvious challenge from here is to get a stock set of GLESv2/EGL drivers on there, but it looks fairly simple | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | can you prepare a wiki page on wiki.merproject.org how to get a image like yours made? | 20:02 |
| wmarone | yeah, I'll have to do that this evening | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:03 |
| wmarone | where are you hosting your git repos? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | git repos? ;) | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | for .ks'es we don't have one yet | 20:03 |
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| wmarone | I mean for the kernel sources and whatnot | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, i just patched your tarball | 20:08 |
| user_ | helo) | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | lo user_ | 20:08 |
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| n900__ | help install ? http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111208.2.NEMO.2012-01-05.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-testing/ | 20:10 |
| n900__ | plis....) | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | n900__: #nemomobile irc channel :) and http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo has a guide | 20:11 |
| n900__ | ìì.. | 20:11 |
| n900__ | and? - deuth? ja? | 20:12 |
| n900__ | thank you ) | 20:16 |
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| wmarone | Stskeeps: is the documentation for setting up usb ethernet on the mer wiki anywhere? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | so, connman will automatically set it up with a 169.254 kind of ip, it seems | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | when noticing it | 20:52 |
| wmarone | ah, so all you do is build it in the kernel. and I'll need to print it out in some fashion | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | it tries dhcp on it first | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:52 |
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| phaeron | so it seems the backend handles all requests except it doesn't do anything on submit reqeust accept and the frontend is the controller in this case | 21:06 |
| phaeron | weird | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo tpn | 21:42 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: Hey! | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) so what brings you here | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 21:43 |
| tpn | Found Mer a couple of days ago whilst looking at Meego and where its going. | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | meego: probably going nowhere, think the two offshoots, tizen and mer is where the action is at | 21:44 |
| tpn | Basically I just got an O2 Joggler and am interested im building a new ui for it. | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, my joggler is still standing on the shelf | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | but it should be possible to get mer up and running on it fairly easily | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | (running again, that is) | 21:45 |
| tpn | What does the mer ui look like? I'm a little confused? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | so, mer is a core, it's kinda the underlaying system's software, then people put UIs on top and add hardware adaptations :) | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | we provide everything needed to run a modern linux/qt system | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | UIs can be Plasma Active, Nemo Mobile or any custom one you want | 21:47 |
| tpn | ah, sounds perfect | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | hardware adaptations can be for joggler, etc | 21:47 |
| tpn | and the ui's are built with qt? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | you could build with qtwebkit and html5 too if you wanted | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | you'd likely want to build something with Lipstick qml toolkit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM | 21:48 |
| tpn | ah cool. Yeah I'm a web developer, but just started dabbling with C++ / Qt | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | the choice is yours, we just make sure it runs well and is easy to work with :) | 21:49 |
| tpn | Yeah looks awesome, a lightweight core to build up from. | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | i think lbt's working on hardware adaptation for joggler as well | 21:52 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, any current effort for building an UI using qtwebkit/html5 on Mer? | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | araujo: http://wiki.qt-project.org/PhoneGap_for_Qt_5 is a bit interesting in that regard | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | araujo: i'm not personally aware of any | 21:54 |
| araujo | let's see | 21:55 |
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| araujo | that might be a start :) | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | tpn: http://jogglerhacks.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2010-04-04T14:17:00-07:00&max-results=7 and newer is a good bunch of tips to help you along | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | tpn: http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ubuntu/ , http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/source/kernel/ as well | 21:59 |
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| tpn | Stskeeps: QtWebkit / html5 sounds right up my street :P | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:01 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: Yeah I've tried quite a few linux variants on the joggler so far. JoliOS, Mint, Ubuntu, Ubuntu NBR, Android... | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | right, time for sleep | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | tpn: feel free to hang around here to learn more :) | 22:07 |
| tpn | Stskeeps: Sure thanks man. Will do, very interesting project! | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | we felt it was a good thing to work together on all the crap we all have to do anyway, leaving out the parts (UI, hw adaptations) there's a lot of politics in ;) | 22:08 |
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