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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:42 |
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| Ronksu | morning | 05:47 |
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| cxl000 | morning | 06:13 |
| Stskeeps | cxl000: so no-unaligned-access was what did the trick for you too? | 06:14 |
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| cxl000 | yes. | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | the no-conserve-stack didn't do it for me, so | 06:14 |
| cxl000 | I tried no-unaligned-access first and it worked so did not try no-conserve-stack | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:16 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity, what other hackable hardwares do you have? | 06:16 |
| cxl000 | n770 bit old now, trimslice, openpandora and a couple of routers | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | any of those routers MIPS? | 06:18 |
| cxl000 | both have broadcom chips ASUS RT-N10 and WL-500g deluxe | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | i have a wl-500gp at home too | 06:22 |
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| dcthang | where is new bug for this one? https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9 | 07:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: ^ | 07:59 |
| Sage | dcthang: I'm not sure there is new bug yet for that. | 08:00 |
| dcthang | so as said, after charging the battery indicator is empty? | 08:00 |
| dcthang | donot know who can verify it:P | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes, may be a UI issue though | 08:01 |
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| dcthang | okay. let's see. | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | depends on what upower reports | 08:03 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo stepiro | 09:56 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: update on git repos | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:13 |
| ScriptRipper | have - first pull request put into master - recreated our clones | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:13 |
| ScriptRipper | will now - put again in first OBS patches - and - create additional branches for SB2 and Deploy | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 11:14 |
| ScriptRipper | we start as you proposed with a clone of upstream and not your clone | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:14 |
| ScriptRipper | done that | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | makes it easier to upstream, too | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | and pull issues | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | er, pull updates | 11:15 |
| ScriptRipper | exactly | 11:15 |
| ScriptRipper | also advantage is that the history functions works then correctly | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:15 |
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| ScriptRipper | "history graphs function" in github | 11:16 |
| ScriptRipper | it is called "Network" in github | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | i'm working on a bit of different concept utilizing SB2, imagine a obs project in where for example 'bash' isn't a source package | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | so we can build really small distros, without modifications to packages | 11:16 |
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| ScriptRipper | that is a good approach, because in practise the cross toolchain might be not FOSS compiler | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:19 |
| ScriptRipper | and that is really an advantage of SB2 compared to current cross toolchain implementation | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | and that everything starts from x86 side, bootstrapping cross compiler, gcc, | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | so we can port mer anywhere | 11:20 |
| ScriptRipper | exactly, even better | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | just tell what gcc target we want it for | 11:20 |
| ScriptRipper | another disatvantage of the current approach of cross toolchain was that | 11:21 |
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| ScriptRipper | the SDK version, which is not "self hosted", must be generated somehow | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:21 |
| ScriptRipper | that was reason why MeeGo SDK project was so bad done | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | i have sb2-obs building all my mer packages now btw | 11:21 |
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| ScriptRipper | cool. I am working on QEMU update, since openSUSE @ ARM builds now nearly all 4500+ pkgs | 11:22 |
| ScriptRipper | without crosstoolchain | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | btw | 11:22 |
| ScriptRipper | we should use that QEMU | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | did obs add a feature for %if _building_with_qemu or something like that? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | would be useful for disabling test caases | 11:23 |
| ScriptRipper | it was added into prjconf I think | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:23 |
| ScriptRipper | as first approach into openSUSE prjconf, if I am not wrong | 11:23 |
| ScriptRipper | and yes, we should also do so | 11:23 |
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| ScriptRipper | what is particularily interesting for me with openSUSE @ ARM is that they got packaged the "upper stacks" ontop of Java and such | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | almost scary, too :P | 11:25 |
| ScriptRipper | and that schaefi got working KIWI on ARM | 11:25 |
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| ScriptRipper | so If I can get KIWI linked statically, we can insert it into Mer like QEMU | 11:26 |
| ScriptRipper | for the build and imaging process | 11:26 |
| ScriptRipper | many MIC users complain to me about its bugs and if we cannot provide KIWI | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:27 |
| ScriptRipper | for ARM and Mer | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | btw, one feature SB2 has too - it can use sbrsh, ie, build on x86 hardware but reach out to ARM hardware to run certain binaries | 11:28 |
| ScriptRipper | might be interesting for automatic package testing | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | haven't tested it myself | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:28 |
| ScriptRipper | does the current SB2 @ OBS work already with Virtual Machines ? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | i run it in kvm | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | it does both chroot and kvm | 11:29 |
| ScriptRipper | great, then I will asap start to put together the SB2 feature branch inside our Mer OBS org clones @ github | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | review of modifications welcome too | 11:30 |
| ScriptRipper | and setup a working OBS also here in my test system | 11:31 |
| ScriptRipper | of course will I review your SB2 @ OBS | 11:31 |
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| Stskeeps | man, the glibc package is ugly | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, X-Fade: cobs is acting up | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | Message: HTTP session not yet started | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Hmm looks quite normal. Let me check some more. | 12:24 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: can I leave it with you ... I need to go out | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | I restarted apache on the frontend. Let's see if it helps. | 12:36 |
| lbt | OK | 12:38 |
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| Sage | X-Fade: sync ping :) | 14:10 |
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| X-Fade | Sage: done | 14:13 |
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| Sage | X-Fade: thx | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | morn sledges | 15:05 |
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| sledges | hello Stskeeps | 15:10 |
| sledges | the meeting's been reshuffled | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah, meetings | 15:10 |
| sledges | but I've anyways sent all those lipstick/kde videos to our sales guys :) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | only meetings i go to these days is irc meetings | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:11 |
| sledges | :):) | 15:11 |
| sledges | I saw your name appearing in various articles on MeeGo, especially the talk you gave about Meritocracy etc | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah, reminds me i should start preparing for my fosdem talk.. | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:12 |
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| gimli | hi, i'm gimli ( Edgar ) from the xbmc project | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo gimli :) | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | (carsten munk here) | 15:17 |
| gimli | hi | 15:17 |
| gimli | i was just one join away from here ;) | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | so you're also doing xbmc on rpi i presume? | 15:18 |
| gimli | me and dom did most of the work | 15:18 |
| gimli | simple anwser, yes | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | how difficult was it to make it less dependant on x11? | 15:19 |
| gimli | xbmc doesn't need x11 to run on. we also support GLES since a longer time | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, alright | 15:20 |
| gimli | we just had to write window bindings for dispmax | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 15:20 |
| gimli | for example the panda and beagle boards. or the iOS platform | 15:21 |
| gimli | there we just have small classed which abstract the window handling | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:21 |
| gimli | the monster was, writting a full omx player for the PI | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | can imagine, but isn't that usable on other openmax platforms too then? | 15:22 |
| gimli | omx is quite complex and extrem pick in misshandling | 15:22 |
| gimli | i have no clue if it is usable on other platforms | 15:23 |
| gimli | the PI was the only omx platform i had | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:23 |
| gimli | think with some work it could be possible | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | so, what we do here is pretty simple, we have a small linux core, centered around linux/qt, ported to different targets | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | people has already been using xbmc on top of it on other devices | 15:24 |
| gimli | how well is it running on the PI ? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | quite well, though we haven't dived much into GLESv2 side (mine doesn't seem to function for some reason) | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's optimized for armv6+vfp softfp, and we can fairly easily do hardfp port too if needed | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | low footprint, easy to package for | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | we're derived off meego, so we have gcc4.6.3, systemd, that kind of stuff | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | (with linaro patches) | 15:28 |
| gimli | at the moment i run archlinux on the PI. | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity, what set of GLESv2 libraries are you working with? | 15:30 |
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| Stskeeps | wondering if i have an ancient copy since my cube demo doesn't work :) | 15:31 |
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| gimli | no clue if cube_demo still runns here :D | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | or even my gles test, think i broke something ;) | 15:41 |
| gimli | isn't that usual for a developer ? break things, wondering for hours what broke and fix it then ? | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | probably :P i'm a little unsure if people who have the boards has the same libs these days | 15:46 |
| gimli | we have different ones. dom and me worked a lot of changes out | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah okay | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | i guess i'll prod eben for whatever's latest | 15:48 |
| * mdavey would really like to see a hardfp port | 15:49 | |
| gimli | the arm core on the PI sucks. the videcore is the intresting part | 15:51 |
| gimli | the videcore is for video/audio handling quite powerfull | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | arch's built for the armv6 with VFP, right? | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:52 |
| gimli | i use this http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/pogoplug-provideov3 | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | mdavey: i can do one, but we should coerce the people doing the GLESv2/EGL drivers to also build a copy for that ABI | 15:58 |
| * Stskeeps starts the work to do so | 15:58 | |
| Stskeeps | coerce is not the right word :) | 15:59 |
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| mdavey | Stskeeps: what other drivers are binary-only and will need rebuilding? | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | mdavey: just vcos & GLESv2/EGL | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | but i'll start with a test run | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | so we can get some benchmarks run | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | -march=armv6 -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=vfp -mtune=arm1176jzf-s | 16:49 |
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| mdavey | Okay, sent Eben and James an email requesting hardfp versions. Will await response. | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | i can provide a armv6 hardfp toolchain eventually | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | they're a bit hard to come by | 18:00 |
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| mdavey | A hardfp equivilent of http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/virtualbox-vm-for-the-raspberrypi?value=qemu&type=1&include=1&search=1 would be nice. | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | we're switching to sb2 as well, so that should be trivial | 18:10 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: scratchbox2? | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: yes, not comparing with sb1 | 18:39 |
| ali1234 | well i hope not | 18:39 |
| ali1234 | i've never used sb2, but 1 was the most horrible mess ever | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 is a mapping engine, simple as that | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | means nothing to me... i like to see it running | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | so no more OBS then? | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | i've integrated SB2 with OBS | 18:40 |
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| ali1234 | :S | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | replacing our old cross compile approach | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | we can make really nice platform SDK with this now too though | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | i was going to have a look at those "bashism" bugs | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | but i couldn't figure out the new code submission process | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | git clone, commit, push | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | i only just figured out how to do that with OBS | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | if you have any questions, feel free to prod me | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | got any MIPS hardware laying about, btw? | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | yeah a bit | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | routers mainly | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | got mer ported to mips as well so | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | like AR7, BCM 4xxx | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | what generates the bashisms warnings? (what tool) | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | http://sourceforge.net/projects/checkbaskisms/ | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | i went through all rpm postscripts, so macros are included too | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the expanded macros | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | and that is run on the spec file? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | i made a custom tool that looks at rpm -q --query-format '%{SOMETHINGTHATCONTAINSASCRIPTLET}' | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | -p .rpm | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | and then reported the bugs | 18:49 |
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| ali1234 | is that equivalent to checkbashisms-in-package.sh but for rpms? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i guess so | 18:49 |
| ali1234 | (per the mailing list post) | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | it was just a shell oneliner practically | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, @$@ finally, the cross compiler for hardfp armv6 finished | 18:56 |
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| * Stskeeps starts the full build | 18:56 | |
| ali1234 | does mer have a wiki yet? | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | oh, it's in the topic | 18:57 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "The Mer Project - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/ | Contribution to packages: http://bit.ly/tJUL43 | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs | If you want to see if there's anything you can help with, go to http://bit.ly/ymlJ0c and find newest 'Available tasks to do' post" | 19:01 | |
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| ali1234 | gerrit says permission denied (publickey) | 19:07 |
| ali1234 | why two server host keys? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | it has an internal ssh server, it acts a bit odd i guess | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: did you add your public key in "Settings" -> "SSH public keys"? | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | yes of course :) | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:09 |
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| ali1234 | i hope i didn't paste the private key by accident | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | port 29418? | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | should work then.. | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | mdavey: began armv6 hardfp build with all packages, may be done tomorrow | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | just an experimental one, no own 'armv6hl' architecture, re-uses armv7l architecture name, etc | 19:12 |
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| ali1234 | time for a reboot i think | 19:14 |
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| vgrade | ali1234, ssh-add needed for me | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | but what do i need to ssh-add? | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | i use pubkey with github and others all the time :( | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | did you set username in Settings -> Profile ? | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:33 |
| vgrade | ok, its what I did when I had same error msg, worked for me | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | OH | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | i need to set username on ssh don't i. | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | probably yes | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | i don't login to my machine as ali1234 | 19:33 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo mingwandroid, welcome back to UK :) | 19:50 |
| mdavey | Stskeeps: cool! | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: get an account on webui-ci.tspre.org and then navigate to http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/show?project=Core%3Aarmv7hl%3Aexperimental-armv6hl if you want to monitor progress | 19:51 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, hi, how was the us trip? | 19:56 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: good thanks. too much drinking though! | 20:07 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: thanks. | 20:08 |
| mingwandroid | busying myself atm with something non-Mer unfortunately.. | 20:08 |
| mingwandroid | cross compilers targetting mac for linux and windows. | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | sounds interesting | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | and useful, actually | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | because of being able to build mac cross compilers in OBS, for instance | 20:09 |
| mingwandroid | The compiler sources I'm using are the apple open source releases, so the same compilers target arm and i386. | 20:10 |
| mingwandroid | so in theory you can iphone dev with them.. | 20:10 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: what would you do with mac cross compilers though? Allow people to make mac software on Mer? | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: think qt sdk | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm finally prepping the new toolchain release, release notes: http://pastie.org/pastes/3133318/text | 20:12 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: yeah, actually it's for Necessitas really. I do the Mac builds and I use a hackintosh which is less than ideal. | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: excellent | 20:12 |
| mingwandroid | I think everything can be built cross for necessitas, except for python (for gdb), which bootstraps itself to compile its own modules. | 20:13 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: Can we just track the linaro mercurial head for gcc? Might be easier than using a release then patches... | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | i had some miscompilations they hadn't picked up on :/ | 20:15 |
| mingwandroid | but then again, in theory releases should be good and stable as they have proper milestones and blockers in place.. | 20:15 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: did you submit patches? I submitted one for an android breakage... | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | it was in gcc upstream already so | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | i don't really do compilers myself :) | 20:16 |
| mingwandroid | ah ok. | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | but it blew up my mips port | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | to the extent gcc failed compiling itself | 20:16 |
| mingwandroid | mips eh? old school. | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | mips port is almost complete now | 20:16 |
| mingwandroid | oh nice. can you run different gcc version for mips? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | same toolchain as on arm and on x86 | 20:17 |
| mingwandroid | I kinda think mips has tried and failed. | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | they're quite big in china still | 20:17 |
| mingwandroid | is it possible with the way things are set up though, to use different ones per arch? | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | not terribly, it's best to have same toolchain anyhow | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | to get same basic errors | 20:17 |
| mingwandroid | RMS uses a mips laptop from china apparently. | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm thinking STB market, so | 20:17 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: yeah, well, so long as e.g. linaro don't break mips and not care (they do care when they break intel though).. | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:18 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: Yeah, still popular there, my wdtv live is mips. | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | OK, i'm integrating the new mer release to cobs | 20:21 |
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| vgrade | mingwandroid, does your show do psvita dev | 20:38 |
| vgrade | shop | 20:38 |
| harbaum | Oh, wow, rumors are that Microsoft buys the Smartphone branch of Nokia which will then not use the Nokia brand anymore .... | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | rumours are always funny, i mean, if they want to have a smartphone unit that's already set up with WP7 and licenses for patents, why not, there's no meego or symbian there anymore anyway | 20:44 |
| harbaum | Hmm ... seems these rumors are around for quite some time already ... | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't mean they can't do devices that you can talk through :) | 20:44 |
| harbaum | But the non-smartphone market probably doesn't feed many people, anymore | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | how about that ubuntu phone though? ;) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'll believe it when i see it | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | 10 bucks they'll just take nemo, slap it on top of ubuntu and call it a day | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | unlikely | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | they'll definitely want to use unity | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | i think a tablet is more likely though | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 20:47 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: yeah, we do. | 20:56 |
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| mingwandroid | did anyone get a lumia 800 from nokia? | 21:05 |
| vandenoever | mingwandroid: yep | 21:06 |
| kimju | about everyone & his friends? | 21:06 |
| mingwandroid | anyone tried hacking mer onto it yet? | 21:06 |
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| vandenoever | mingwandroid: i wouldnt know where to begin | 21:06 |
| mingwandroid | I got mine too. | 21:06 |
| dm8tbr | mingwandroid: it's very likely HS silicon, all signs point to it. | 21:06 |
| dm8tbr | mingwandroid: and as we know nokia likes HS silicon and knows how to use it if they feel like it | 21:07 |
| vandenoever | what is HS silicon? | 21:07 |
| mingwandroid | yeah? | 21:07 |
| vandenoever | is there a way to get and put the rom on the lumia? | 21:09 |
| mingwandroid | vandenoever: naah, it'd take a lot of effort to even investigate. I'd try the n9 flashing tools to see if they do anything at all. | 21:09 |
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| Tuju | how do i install nemo then into n950? | 21:37 |
| Tuju | can i do it with flasher? | 21:37 |
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| dm8tbr | mingwandroid: it's completely different hardware | 21:42 |
| dm8tbr | mingwandroid: one is TI OMAP3 the other is Qualcomm Snapdragon S2 | 21:42 |
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| mingwandroid | dm8tbr: Yeah, granted. I just wonder whether nokia present a consistent api for their flashing tools (to any extent) though. | 22:07 |
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| mingwandroid | night all | 22:13 |
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