Thursday, 2012-01-05

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Stskeepscxl000: so no-unaligned-access was what did the trick for you too?06:14
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Stskeepsthe no-conserve-stack didn't do it for me, so06:14
cxl000I tried no-unaligned-access first and it worked so did not try no-conserve-stack06:15
Stskeepsout of curiousity, what other hackable hardwares do you have?06:16
cxl000n770 bit old now, trimslice, openpandora and a couple of routers06:18
Stskeepsany of those routers MIPS?06:18
cxl000both have broadcom chips ASUS RT-N10 and WL-500g deluxe06:21
Stskeepsi have a wl-500gp at home too06:22
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dcthangwhere is new bug for this one?
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StskeepsSage: ^07:59
Sagedcthang: I'm not sure there is new bug yet for that.08:00
dcthangso as said, after charging the battery indicator is empty?08:00
dcthangdonot know who can verify it:P08:01
Stskeepsyes, may be a UI issue though08:01
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dcthangokay. let's see.08:02
Stskeepsdepends on what upower reports08:03
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Stskeeps'lo stepiro09:56
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ScriptRipperStskeeps: update on git repos11:12
ScriptRipperhave - first pull request put into master - recreated our clones11:13
ScriptRipperwill now - put again in first OBS patches - and - create additional branches for SB2 and Deploy11:14
Stskeepsmakes sense11:14
ScriptRipperwe start as you proposed with a clone of upstream and not your clone11:14
ScriptRipperdone that11:15
Stskeepsmakes it easier to upstream, too11:15
Stskeepsand pull issues11:15
Stskeepser, pull updates11:15
ScriptRipperalso advantage is that the history functions works then correctly11:15
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ScriptRipper"history graphs function" in github11:16
ScriptRipperit is called "Network" in github11:16
Stskeepsi'm working on a bit of different concept utilizing SB2, imagine a obs project in where for example 'bash' isn't a source package11:16
Stskeepsso we can build really small distros, without modifications to packages11:16
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ScriptRipperthat is a good approach, because in practise the cross toolchain might be not FOSS compiler11:19
ScriptRipperand that is really an advantage of SB2 compared to current cross toolchain implementation11:20
Stskeepsand that everything starts from x86 side, bootstrapping cross compiler, gcc,11:20
Stskeepsso we can port mer anywhere11:20
ScriptRipperexactly, even better11:20
Stskeepsjust tell what gcc target we want it for11:20
ScriptRipperanother disatvantage of the current approach of cross toolchain was that11:21
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ScriptRipperthe SDK version, which is not "self hosted", must be generated somehow11:21
ScriptRipperthat was reason why MeeGo SDK project was so bad done11:21
Stskeepsi have sb2-obs building all my mer packages now btw11:21
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ScriptRippercool. I am working on QEMU update, since openSUSE @ ARM builds now nearly all 4500+ pkgs11:22
ScriptRipperwithout crosstoolchain11:22
ScriptRipperwe should use that QEMU11:22
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Stskeepsdid obs add a feature for %if _building_with_qemu or something like that?11:23
Stskeepswould be useful for disabling test caases11:23
ScriptRipperit was added into prjconf I think11:23
ScriptRipperas first approach into openSUSE prjconf, if I am not wrong11:23
ScriptRipperand yes, we should also do so11:23
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ScriptRipperwhat is particularily interesting for me with openSUSE @ ARM is that they got packaged the "upper stacks" ontop of Java and such11:25
Stskeepsalmost scary, too :P11:25
ScriptRipperand that schaefi got working KIWI on ARM11:25
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ScriptRipperso If I can get KIWI linked statically, we can insert it into Mer like QEMU11:26
ScriptRipperfor the build and imaging process11:26
ScriptRippermany MIC users complain to me about its bugs and if we cannot provide KIWI11:27
ScriptRipperfor ARM and Mer11:27
Stskeepsbtw, one feature SB2 has too - it can use sbrsh, ie, build on x86 hardware but reach out to ARM hardware to run certain binaries11:28
ScriptRippermight be interesting for automatic package testing11:28
Stskeepshaven't tested it myself11:28
ScriptRipperdoes the current SB2 @ OBS work already with Virtual Machines ?11:29
Stskeepsi run it in kvm11:29
Stskeepsit does both chroot and kvm11:29
ScriptRippergreat, then I will asap start to put together the SB2 feature branch inside our Mer OBS org clones @ github11:30
Stskeepsreview of modifications welcome too11:30
ScriptRipperand setup a working OBS also here in my test system11:31
ScriptRipperof course will I review your SB2 @ OBS11:31
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Stskeepsman, the glibc package is ugly11:36
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Stskeepslbt, X-Fade: cobs is acting up12:22
StskeepsMessage: HTTP session not yet started12:22
X-FadeStskeeps: Hmm looks quite normal. Let me check some more.12:24
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lbtX-Fade: can I leave it with you ... I need to go out12:35
X-FadeI restarted apache on the frontend. Let's see if it helps.12:36
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SageX-Fade: sync ping :)14:10
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X-FadeSage: done14:13
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SageX-Fade: thx14:22
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Stskeepsmorn sledges15:05
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sledgeshello Stskeeps15:10
sledgesthe meeting's been reshuffled15:10
Stskeepsah, meetings15:10
sledgesbut I've anyways sent all those lipstick/kde videos to our sales guys :)15:10
Stskeepsonly meetings i go to these days is irc meetings15:11
sledgesI saw your name appearing in various articles on MeeGo, especially the talk you gave about Meritocracy etc15:11
Stskeepsah, reminds me i should start preparing for my fosdem talk..15:12
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gimlihi, i'm gimli ( Edgar ) from the xbmc project15:17
Stskeeps'lo gimli :)15:17
Stskeeps(carsten munk here)15:17
gimlii was just one join away from here ;)15:18
Stskeepsso you're also doing xbmc on rpi i presume?15:18
gimlime and dom did most of the work15:18
gimlisimple anwser, yes15:18
Stskeepshow difficult was it to make it less dependant on x11?15:19
gimlixbmc doesn't need x11 to run on. we also support GLES since a longer time15:20
Stskeepsah, alright15:20
gimliwe just had to write window bindings for dispmax15:20
Stskeepsmakes sense15:20
gimlifor example the panda and beagle boards. or the iOS platform15:21
gimlithere we just have small classed which abstract the window handling15:21
gimlithe monster was, writting a full omx player for the PI15:22
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Stskeepscan imagine, but isn't that usable on other openmax platforms too then?15:22
gimliomx is quite complex and extrem pick in misshandling15:22
gimlii have no clue if it is usable on other platforms15:23
gimlithe PI was the only omx platform i had15:23
gimlithink with some work it could be possible15:23
Stskeepsso, what we do here is pretty simple, we have a small linux core, centered around linux/qt, ported to different targets15:24
Stskeepspeople has already been using xbmc on top of it on other devices15:24
gimlihow well is it running on the PI ?15:25
Stskeepsquite well, though we haven't dived much into GLESv2 side (mine doesn't seem to function for some reason)15:26
Stskeepsit's optimized for armv6+vfp softfp, and we can fairly easily do hardfp port too if needed15:26
Stskeepslow footprint, easy to package for15:26
Stskeepswe're derived off meego, so we have gcc4.6.3, systemd, that kind of stuff15:27
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Stskeeps(with linaro patches)15:28
gimliat the moment i run archlinux on the PI.15:29
Stskeepsout of curiousity, what set of GLESv2 libraries are you working with?15:30
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Stskeepswondering if i have an ancient copy since my cube demo doesn't work :)15:31
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gimlino clue if cube_demo still runns here :D15:41
Stskeepsor even my gles test, think i broke something ;)15:41
gimliisn't that usual for a developer ? break things, wondering for hours what broke and fix it then ?15:43
Stskeepsprobably :P i'm a little unsure if people who have the boards has the same libs these days15:46
gimliwe have different ones. dom and me worked a lot of changes out15:46
Stskeepsah okay15:47
Stskeepsi guess i'll prod eben for whatever's latest15:48
* mdavey would really like to see a hardfp port15:49
gimlithe arm core on the PI sucks. the videcore is the intresting part15:51
gimlithe videcore is for video/audio handling quite powerfull15:52
Stskeepsarch's built for the armv6 with VFP, right?15:52
gimlii use this
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Stskeepsmdavey: i can do one, but we should coerce the people doing the GLESv2/EGL drivers to also build a copy for that ABI15:58
* Stskeeps starts the work to do so15:58
Stskeepscoerce is not the right word :)15:59
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mdaveyStskeeps: what other drivers are binary-only and will need rebuilding?16:37
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Stskeepsmdavey: just vcos & GLESv2/EGL16:48
Stskeepsbut i'll start with a test run16:49
Stskeepsso we can get some benchmarks run16:49
Stskeeps-march=armv6 -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=vfp -mtune=arm1176jzf-s16:49
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mdaveyOkay, sent Eben and James an email requesting hardfp versions.  Will await response.18:00
Stskeepsi can provide a armv6 hardfp toolchain eventually18:00
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Stskeepsthey're a bit hard to come by18:00
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mdaveyA hardfp equivilent of would be nice.18:04
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Stskeepswe're switching to sb2 as well, so that should be trivial18:10
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ali1234Stskeeps: scratchbox2?18:39
Stskeepsali1234: yes, not comparing with sb118:39
ali1234well i hope not18:39
ali1234i've never used sb2, but 1 was the most horrible mess ever18:40
Stskeepssb2 is a mapping engine, simple as that18:40
ali1234means nothing to me... i like to see it running18:40
ali1234so no more OBS then?18:40
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Stskeepsi've integrated SB2 with OBS18:40
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Stskeepsreplacing our old cross compile approach18:40
Stskeepswe can make really nice platform SDK with this now too though18:41
ali1234i was going to have a look at those "bashism" bugs18:41
ali1234but i couldn't figure out the new code submission process18:41
Stskeepsgit clone, commit, push18:41
ali1234i only just figured out how to do that with OBS18:41
Stskeepsif you have any questions, feel free to prod me18:42
Stskeepsgot any MIPS hardware laying about, btw?18:42
ali1234yeah a bit18:42
ali1234routers mainly18:42
Stskeepsgot mer ported to mips as well so18:42
ali1234like AR7, BCM 4xxx18:43
ali1234what generates the bashisms warnings? (what tool)18:44
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Stskeepsi went through all rpm postscripts, so macros are included too18:47
Stskeepsie, the expanded macros18:47
ali1234and that is run on the spec file?18:47
Stskeepsi made a custom tool that looks at rpm -q --query-format '%{SOMETHINGTHATCONTAINSASCRIPTLET}'18:48
Stskeeps -p .rpm18:48
Stskeepsand then reported the bugs18:49
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ali1234is that equivalent to but for rpms?18:49
Stskeepsyes, i guess so18:49
ali1234(per the mailing list post)18:49
Stskeepsit was just a shell oneliner practically18:50
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Stskeepsah, @$@ finally, the cross compiler for hardfp armv6 finished18:56
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* Stskeeps starts the full build18:56
ali1234does mer have a wiki yet?18:56
ali1234oh, it's in the topic18:57
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ali1234gerrit says permission denied (publickey)19:07
ali1234why two server host keys?19:08
Stskeepsit has an internal ssh server, it acts a bit odd i guess19:08
Stskeepsali1234: did you add your public key in "Settings" -> "SSH public keys"?19:09
ali1234yes of course :)19:09
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ali1234i hope i didn't paste the private key by accident19:09
Stskeepsport 29418?19:09
Stskeepsshould work then..19:09
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Stskeepsmdavey: began armv6 hardfp build with all packages, may be done tomorrow19:11
Stskeepsjust an experimental one, no own 'armv6hl' architecture, re-uses armv7l architecture name, etc19:12
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ali1234time for a reboot i think19:14
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vgradeali1234, ssh-add needed for me19:31
ali1234but what do i need to ssh-add?19:32
ali1234i use pubkey with github and others all the time :(19:32
Stskeepsdid you set username in Settings -> Profile ?19:32
vgradeok, its what I did when I had same error msg, worked for me19:33
ali1234i need to set username on ssh don't i.19:33
Stskeepsprobably yes19:33
ali1234i don't login to my machine as ali123419:33
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Stskeeps'lo mingwandroid, welcome back to UK :)19:50
mdaveyStskeeps: cool!19:50
Stskeepsmdavey: get an account on and then navigate to if you want to monitor progress19:51
vgrademingwandroid, hi, how was the us trip?19:56
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mingwandroidvgrade: good thanks. too much drinking though!20:07
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mingwandroidStskeeps: thanks.20:08
mingwandroidbusying myself atm with something non-Mer unfortunately..20:08
mingwandroidcross compilers targetting mac for linux and windows.20:08
Stskeepssounds interesting20:09
Stskeepsand useful, actually20:09
Stskeepsbecause of being able to build mac cross compilers in OBS, for instance20:09
mingwandroidThe compiler sources I'm using are the apple open source releases, so the same compilers target arm and i386.20:10
mingwandroidso in theory you can iphone dev with them..20:10
mingwandroidStskeeps: what would you do with mac cross compilers though? Allow people to make mac software on Mer?20:11
Stskeepsmingwandroid: think qt sdk20:11
Stskeepsi'm finally prepping the new toolchain release, release notes:
mingwandroidStskeeps: yeah, actually it's for Necessitas really. I do the Mac builds and I use a hackintosh which is less than ideal.20:12
Stskeepsmingwandroid: excellent20:12
mingwandroidI think everything can be built cross for necessitas, except for python (for gdb), which bootstraps itself to compile its own modules.20:13
mingwandroidStskeeps: Can we just track the linaro mercurial head for gcc? Might be easier than using a release then patches...20:15
Stskeepsi had some miscompilations they hadn't picked up on :/20:15
mingwandroidbut then again, in theory releases should be good and stable as they have proper milestones and blockers in place..20:15
mingwandroidStskeeps: did you submit patches? I submitted one for an android breakage...20:15
Stskeepsit was in gcc upstream already so20:16
Stskeepsi don't really do compilers myself :)20:16
mingwandroidah ok.20:16
Stskeepsbut it blew up my mips port20:16
Stskeepsto the extent gcc failed compiling itself20:16
mingwandroidmips eh? old school.20:16
Stskeepsmips port is almost complete now20:16
mingwandroidoh nice. can you run different gcc version for mips?20:16
Stskeepssame toolchain as on arm and on x8620:17
mingwandroidI kinda think mips has tried and failed.20:17
Stskeepsthey're quite big in china still20:17
mingwandroidis it possible with the way things are set up though, to use different ones per arch?20:17
Stskeepsnot terribly, it's best to have same toolchain anyhow20:17
Stskeepsto get same basic errors20:17
mingwandroidRMS uses a mips laptop from china apparently.20:17
Stskeepsi'm thinking STB market, so20:17
mingwandroidStskeeps: yeah, well, so long as e.g. linaro don't break mips and not care (they do care when they break intel though)..20:18
mingwandroidStskeeps: Yeah, still popular there, my wdtv live is mips.20:18
StskeepsOK, i'm integrating the new mer release to cobs20:21
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vgrademingwandroid, does your show do psvita dev20:38
harbaumOh, wow, rumors are that Microsoft buys the Smartphone branch of Nokia which will then not use the Nokia brand anymore ....20:43
Stskeepsrumours are always funny, i mean, if they want to have a smartphone unit that's already set up with WP7 and licenses for patents, why not, there's no meego or symbian there anymore anyway20:44
harbaumHmm ... seems these rumors are around for quite some time already ...20:44
Stskeepsdoesn't mean they can't do devices that you can talk through :)20:44
harbaumBut the non-smartphone market probably doesn't feed many people, anymore20:45
ali1234how about that ubuntu phone though? ;)20:45
Stskeepsi'll believe it when i see it20:45
Stskeeps10 bucks they'll just take nemo, slap it on top of ubuntu and call it a day20:45
ali1234they'll definitely want to use unity20:46
ali1234i think a tablet is more likely though20:46
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mingwandroidvgrade: yeah, we do.20:56
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mingwandroiddid anyone get a lumia 800 from nokia?21:05
vandenoevermingwandroid: yep21:06
kimjuabout everyone & his friends?21:06
mingwandroidanyone tried hacking mer onto it yet?21:06
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vandenoevermingwandroid: i wouldnt know where to begin21:06
mingwandroidI got mine too.21:06
dm8tbrmingwandroid: it's very likely HS silicon, all signs point to it.21:06
dm8tbrmingwandroid: and as we know nokia likes HS silicon and knows how to use it if they feel like it21:07
vandenoeverwhat is HS silicon?21:07
vandenoeveris there a way to get and put the rom on the lumia?21:09
mingwandroidvandenoever: naah, it'd take a lot of effort to even investigate. I'd try the n9 flashing tools to see if they do anything at all.21:09
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Tujuhow do i install nemo then into n950?21:37
Tujucan i do it with flasher?21:37
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dm8tbrmingwandroid: it's completely different hardware21:42
dm8tbrmingwandroid: one is TI OMAP3 the other is Qualcomm Snapdragon S221:42
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mingwandroiddm8tbr: Yeah, granted. I just wonder whether nokia present a consistent api for their flashing tools (to any extent) though.22:07
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mingwandroidnight all22:13
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