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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:05 |
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| dcthang | morn | 06:19 |
| dcthang | and happy new year!:) | 06:21 |
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| Stskeeps | you too :) | 06:21 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/03/eldar-murtazin-gives-rim-six-months-to-win-customers-nokia-selling-soul-microsoft/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fengadget+%28Engadget%29 | 06:57 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hmm, maybe http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/03/eldar-murtazin-gives-rim-six-months-to-win-customers-nokia-selling-soul-microsoft | 06:58 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Who's that guy with Steve Ballmer? | 06:58 |
| jukkaeklund | :) | 06:59 |
| jukkaeklund | you want serious or not answer? | 06:59 |
| Alison_Chaiken | jukkaeklund, creative responses are always encouraged! | 07:00 |
| timoph | :) | 07:01 |
| jukkaeklund | then I'd say thats some kind of Ballmer clone | 07:02 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i think that the moment a company starts perfecting cloning techniques, i'm fairly sure software companies will be the first to utilize the methods | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | i have on several occasions wanted to clone specific people to run them in parrallel | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | P | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:05 |
| timoph | :) | 07:05 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | ballmerClone ballC = new Ballmer(); | 07:05 |
| Alison_Chaiken | ballmerClose elopC = new Ballmer(&Elop); | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | the guy on mer-general poses an interesting problem, that everyone is going towards GLESv2/EGL but those chips severely add to the price of cheap STBs | 07:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | "those chips" = GPUs? | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:09 |
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| Stskeeps | there's no sane software rendering for ARM currently, as LLVMpipe uses LLVM, LLVM is broken on ARM | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | for gles/egl | 07:09 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Recent Phoronix review of LLVM vs. GCC was not too kind to LLVM. | 07:11 |
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| vgrade | morn | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, i was impressed on llvmpipe at least, someone got 60fps inside a virtual machine with it | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | so that's the way forward | 07:11 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I think we should clean up some legacy sysvinit stuff | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | like what? | 07:13 |
| Sage | /etc/init.d/ dir that isn't used with systemd | 07:13 |
| Sage | or is it? | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qf /etc/init.d/ | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | it -can- be, but we don't use it and shouldn't | 07:14 |
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| * Sage doesn't have device up yet doesn't boot :) | 07:14 | |
| Stskeeps | new kernel should have finished now | 07:14 |
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| Sage | I'll check what I can see with jig | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: check out http://review.merproject.org/275 , first comment by Mer Automation Dependancy build checker (about i586) and then second-last comment by it | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | that's the difference with phaeron's patch in how many packages needed rebuild | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://qtl.merproject.org/19584d24-35d7-11e1-afac-00163e6e0038.html vs http://qtl.merproject.org/39b940c4-363a-11e1-9705-00163e6e0038.html | 07:23 |
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| Sage | nice :) | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | should lower time to get responses quite a lot | 07:29 |
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| Sage | time to set the n900 to jig | 07:33 |
| Sage | o_0 | 07:35 |
| Sage | well it boots now but the home doesn't come up. | 07:38 |
| Sage | maybe the fs is corrupted | 07:38 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: alright that looks damn good :D | 07:42 |
| phaeron | good morning | 07:42 |
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| Sage | hmmp... now the image is up :P | 07:48 |
| Sage | just had to give it a moment :) | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | with new kernel? | 07:48 |
| Sage | yes | 07:48 |
| Sage | with the non quiet kernel | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:49 |
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| Sage | [ 954.580871] <11>alsa-sink-old/1851: potentially unexpected fatal signal 6. | 07:51 |
| Sage | never seen that before | 07:51 |
| Sage | ok, after reboot it works again | 07:54 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, which patch did the trick, alignment or stack, or both? | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | alignment | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | so we need to change advice | 08:00 |
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| lbt | morning | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:21 |
| lbt | do we have a mer bug lifecycle page? | 09:21 |
| lbt | looking at https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72 | 09:21 |
| lbt | I like the whining :) | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | iekku proposed one | 09:21 |
| lbt | it should only happen to assignees though | 09:21 |
| lbt | it also means that in triage the state should stay "NEW" | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | ASSIGNED or assignees? | 09:22 |
| lbt | only assignees should be whined at | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | it whines to CC'ed people too | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 09:23 |
| lbt | ah ... | 09:23 |
| lbt | I'lll reopen and discuss | 09:23 |
| lbt | cc you on bug | 09:24 |
| Sage | lbt, veskuh: Actually I liked that e-mail report. I can see what I have forgotten :) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, i think the settings may be adjusted a bit | 09:24 |
| Sage | it happened a bit too often but IMO once a month would be ok | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | it should be disable-able though, by user | 09:25 |
| veskuh | Once a day is spamming | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | yes, agred | 09:25 |
| Sage | veskuh: true | 09:25 |
| veskuh | I would remove all bugs named to me in case that happens | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | it should send when the bug is 7 days old, not 8, 9, 10, 11 | 09:25 |
| veskuh | after that, every day | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | that part annoys me too | 09:25 |
| lbt | veskuh: see part 3 though | 09:26 |
| lbt | " | 09:26 |
| lbt | You decide the bug belongs to you, but you can't solve it this moment. | 09:26 |
| lbt | Accept the bug by setting the status to ASSIGNED | 09:26 |
| lbt | so it's just an "ack" | 09:26 |
| veskuh | No, that is wrong | 09:26 |
| veskuh | ASSIGNED should mean that you are actively working on it | 09:26 |
| lbt | point me to the correct process | 09:26 |
| lbt | :) | 09:26 |
| lbt | the problem is that the single word states need better explanation | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | you know, i can't see whining in merproject conf | 09:27 |
| w00t | i don't think it's enabled for mer | 09:27 |
| w00t | at least i've never been nagged there | 09:27 |
| lbt | I am | 09:28 |
| lbt | mer has a default assignee of need-triage though | 09:28 |
| lbt | so most of the time you're not nagged until we point it at you | 09:29 |
| lbt | also I set the state to ASSIGNED which may be wrong of me | 09:29 |
| veskuh | Well, if we start using assigned as acceptance, then we will not see what bugs are actually being worked on. | 09:29 |
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| veskuh | If that is fine with you, ok hten. | 09:29 |
| lbt | veskuh: fair point | 09:30 |
| lbt | what does "being worked on" mean though? for Mer as opposed to an organisation's bz ? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: being worked on == we expect a fix to arrive within a reasonable timeframe | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | NEW, == backlog | 09:32 |
| lbt | so ... moving assignee from need-triage to a person (== TAKEN) | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | i think we can all agree the current whine settings are annoying and needs adaptation? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | and describing the bug cycle on wiki somewhere | 09:33 |
| lbt | yep | 09:33 |
| lbt | and I'm editing that page now | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: would something like weekly list of backlog be OK, on monday morning? | 09:34 |
| veskuh | That would be better, yes | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to disable whine for now until we set up a custom process for whining | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/tip/en/html/whining.html | 09:35 |
| lbt | veskuh: are you being whined at? | 09:36 |
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| lbt | by merproject bz? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | merproject is 0 atm, i don't think nemomobile i | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | s | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | nemomobile is 0 now, was 7 before | 09:37 |
| veskuh | lbt: I was by nemo bugzilla. Not anymore as I reseted the assignee on that bug. But on reallife I do not expect anybody else fixing the bug. | 09:37 |
| lbt | I wonder if iekku disabled the wrong one? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | bug was in merproject so :) | 09:37 |
| veskuh | lbt: And I did not mark it as assigned as I've previouly thought that it means that I'm actively working on it. | 09:38 |
| lbt | veskuh: yeah - I have no clue what the states really mean ... nothing probably | 09:38 |
| lbt | since everyone has their own meaning | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | NEW (triage) -> NEW (backlog) -> ASSIGNED (working on) -> RESOLVED/NEEDINFO | 09:39 |
| lbt | and backlog report once per week ? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:40 |
| veskuh | lbt: yep, it depends what the project wants to track how these are defined. | 09:40 |
| lbt | I'd be tempted to add an not-taken@mp.o user too - to be explicit about the assignee | 09:41 |
| lbt | since we use that mechanism for need-triage | 09:41 |
| veskuh | lbt: I think that would be good | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | ie, after prioritization? | 09:42 |
| lbt | yes | 09:42 |
| lbt | we could use a boolean ... but it's more explicit | 09:42 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: new topic: in changelogs do we have a short bug# notation? Eg "Fixes Mer#63" | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | MER#63, yes | 09:50 |
| lbt | ta | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | we also have NEMO#63 | 09:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: saw the effect of phaeron's patch above? | 09:54 |
| lbt | glanced at it and have it open to examine .... looks interesting. | 09:54 |
| lbt | Where's this patch applied? | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | obs-ci | 09:54 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper was talking about having an OBS git tree which we use | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we should start using that | 09:55 |
| lbt | I'd like us to package from it :) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | put SB2-OBS and phaeron's patch there | 09:55 |
| * lbt can't blame you .... cobs has random patches applied | 09:55 | |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I'll start working on the merge prjlink idea | 09:55 |
| lbt | never got to the git->pkg for OBS | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | and we need to plan for COBS utilizing sb2-obs too | 09:56 |
| phaeron | lbt: except the ones we actually want :D | 09:56 |
| lbt | we need to plan for cobs going away :) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | that too | 09:56 |
| lbt | phaeron: :D | 09:56 |
| iekku | who, what? | 09:56 |
| lbt | phaeron: could you work with SR on getting obs->pkg process documented? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: discussing the whine feature :) | 09:56 |
| iekku | i disabled the whining as it was asked | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | though on merproject and not nemomobile | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | we'll replace it with a better search | 09:57 |
| iekku | holy | 09:57 |
| iekku | ok, thanks | 09:57 |
| phaeron | lbt: what SR do you mean ? | 09:57 |
| phaeron | a scriptripper | 09:57 |
| lbt | yes :) | 09:57 |
| lbt | iekku: do you have a mer bug lifecyle draft? | 09:58 |
| iekku | mental reminder: 3 cops of coffee before any adminstration tasks | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: lbt is working on a bug cycle wiki as well | 09:58 |
| phaeron | ok I'll look into it , shouldn't be difficult | 09:58 |
| lbt | phaeron: agreed | 09:58 |
| iekku | lbt, i do have some kind of, at home computer | 09:58 |
| iekku | lbt, not good one | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: the emails you sent, right? | 09:59 |
| lbt | OK - I'll bash something out and we can work it up | 09:59 |
| lbt | oh... | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | think lbt was cc'ed :) | 09:59 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, they are the best ones | 09:59 |
| iekku | i tried to make a graphical version of that, but lost my nervs | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | hint: dia | 10:00 |
| iekku | ? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | tool for making nice graphs | 10:00 |
| lbt | got it | 10:00 |
| ScriptRipper | hi phaeron | 10:01 |
| lbt | hey ScriptRipper | 10:01 |
| iekku | oh, need to check that. thanks Stskeeps | 10:01 |
| iekku | i haven't have enought time to do anything | 10:01 |
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| phaeron | ScriptRipper: hey :D | 10:03 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps... phaeron and I discussed making MINT a project in Mer ... Mer Integration tools ... ie BOSS, IMG etc | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 10:05 |
| lbt | phaeron: there you go ... good idea :) | 10:06 |
| ScriptRipper | Hi lbt | 10:06 |
| phaeron | ok != good idea :P | 10:06 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: sorry I missed a couple of pings from you | 10:06 |
| ScriptRipper | sure. created an upstream patch submission git repo for OBS and other github hosted stuff | 10:07 |
| ScriptRipper | as an org in github | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: if it's not a good idea you'd have a stream of complaints from me by now. it fits in the idea of mer being the core itself, the tools supporting the core and to make people use the core better | 10:08 |
| phaeron | cool :) | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: we also need to set up a good way to build the packages of OBS from there | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: two features so far: phaeron's transparent prjlinks, and SB2-OBS | 10:12 |
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| phaeron | ScriptRipper: yeah the other two went to upstream directly already | 10:12 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3123920 | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | 2) urgh | 10:32 |
| Sage | I think that is not needed dep | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | it might be for drawing | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | worth checking | 10:32 |
| Sage | fedora doesn't require it at least | 10:33 |
| Sage | on their -37 systemd | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | fair point | 10:33 |
| Sage | but they might have problem as well | 10:33 |
| Sage | I'll check | 10:33 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/3123929 | 10:33 |
| Sage | well there is some other problems :) | 10:33 |
| Sage | at least | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: still missing .spec.. | 10:34 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/3123938 | 10:35 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: what changes are needed in the .spec? | 10:36 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3123940 :/ | 10:36 |
| Sage | valid dep | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: you need to actually declare the patch and %patch ? | 10:37 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: can you make gitweb repo for pycairo? | 10:37 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: err wait | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: doesn't cairo come wih python bindings? | 10:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: there's already a fix-timestamps patch | 10:37 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: python-cairo is the proper name | 10:37 |
| lbt | I modified it | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OK | 10:38 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: python bindings? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nevermind then | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: nm :) | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 10:38 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK - thanks for checking :) | 10:38 |
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| Sage | hmmp... the upstream is pycairo but fedora has renamed their package to python-cairo | 10:39 |
| Sage | so which one to use? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: anyway, systemd-analyze has a non-plot thing | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | python-cairo is correct | 10:40 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3123938 | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | my worry is that python-cairo needs gobject-introspection | 10:40 |
| Sage | ok, we need to inspect that a bit before adding | 10:41 |
| Sage | I can do test packaging for some obs project to see what is needed | 10:41 |
| * Sage files a bug | 10:41 | |
| Sage | anything in that systemd log that is above 1000ms is bad | 10:44 |
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| harbaum | Hmm, with the latest mer the pvr init script is not started anymore. Did something change in the systemd setup? | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | there was a systemd upgrade -- sage, what did we have to modify? | 11:16 |
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| harbaum | the pvr.serviec is in /etc/systemd/system, but something seems to be missing as systemctl doesn't see it. systemctl list-units. doesn't mention pvr | 11:20 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well that was long time ago and didn't have effect to performace at least I didn't notice any change | 11:20 |
| Sage | ah, different thing | 11:20 |
| Sage | harbaum: yes, a moment | 11:21 |
| Sage | that is wrong also already, I should fix that | 11:21 |
| Sage | harbaum: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?commit=2&linkrev=base&package=ti-omap3-sgx&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common | 11:21 |
| Sage | it should be in graphical.target not multi-user target | 11:22 |
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| harbaum | Sage i am talking about my own PVR stuff derived from the original TI GFX... blob | 11:24 |
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| harbaum | my stuff is in sysinit.target.wants ... is that bad? | 11:26 |
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| Sage | harbaum: that doesn't work with newer systemd at least on my tests | 11:26 |
| Sage | harbaum: also check that the link to the service file matches the [Install] section of service file | 11:26 |
| harbaum | so that's what broke | 11:27 |
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| Sage | well it has been broken from the very begging systemd just didn't do any checks I guess :) | 11:27 |
| harbaum | i am pretty sure i just copied the config from something else ... | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | from us, probably | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | we had problems too at the switch | 11:34 |
| Sage | :nod: | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | bash 1 - 0 carsten | 11:40 |
| * Stskeeps needs coffee | 11:40 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/285 | 11:41 |
| Sage | root 1666 8.5 2.7 10892 6356 tty1 Ss+ 16:07 0:01 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -nolisten tcp -noreset -auth /home/meego/.Xauthority -nocursor vt1 | 11:42 |
| Sage | vs | 11:42 |
| Sage | root 1649 7.3 4.3 14416 10016 tty1 Ss+ 16:09 0:01 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -nolisten tcp -noreset -auth /home/meego/.Xauthority -nocursor vt1 | 11:42 |
| Sage | so saves about 15 shell spawns | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | uhh? :P | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | what's that connected with | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | xorg and boardname? | 11:43 |
| Sage | ah, so just saying that xorg pid number is reduced by about 15 when boardname is not called during boot | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:43 |
| Sage | pid increases on every spawn bin | 11:44 |
| Sage | just used xorg as meter in my tests :) | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 11:44 |
| Sage | doesn't really affect boot speed as such but doesn't harm :) | 11:44 |
| Sage | didn't know that that kind of feature existed in systemd before :) | 11:45 |
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| veskuh | Sage, xruxa New Kasvopus looks really good! | 11:54 |
| Sage | accepted ;) | 11:54 |
| Sage | veskuh: thx for testing (again) | 11:55 |
| * Sage still ponders why the startup takes so long | 11:55 | |
| veskuh | np | 11:55 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3124339 | 12:01 |
| Sage | that ohm is something odd still | 12:02 |
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| harbaum | unbelievable ... as soon as you fix things they start to work again :-) | 12:14 |
| harbaum | so beagle setup is still opperational | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | mm, might want to fix it anyway | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | might be a race condition or something | 12:15 |
| harbaum | and the ubuntu kernel fulfils all of mers demands | 12:15 |
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| harbaum | i just tried nemo ... and i have two task bars (the one with the battery icon and the time) one on top in landscape and one on the left side in portrait mode ... looks funny. and both seem to be active | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a rotation mishap :) | 12:46 |
| harbaum | yeah. but it's running! | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 12:47 |
| harbaum | should there be an onscreen kbd? | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | normally yeah, but there might be a compositor problem from what you're saying | 12:50 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: how bootchart was used in meego? | 12:50 |
| Sage | use bootchartd instead of /sbin/init? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:52 |
| harbaum | how are applications supposed to be closed that don't offer that option by themselves? | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | we gesture from bottom | 12:56 |
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| Stskeeps | to get to tak switcher | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | task | 12:57 |
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| Sage | flasher -l -k -b ? | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | right | 13:00 |
| Sage | ah, -b doesn't allow space :) | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | -b"foo" | 13:01 |
| Sage | Unable to enumerate USB devices! | 13:02 |
| Sage | no *cdc* or *phonet* in lsmod | 13:02 |
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| Sage | ah, now | 13:06 |
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| Sage | and problem is active again :P | 13:08 |
| Sage | lol, changin usb port on host helps :P | 13:10 |
| Sage | [ 0.000000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootwait ro console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 init=/sbin/bootchartd-long | 13:11 |
| Sage | should work? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | do we still have -long? | 13:12 |
| Sage | yes | 13:12 |
| Sage | where does it generate the log? | 13:12 |
| Sage | ah, /var/log | 13:13 |
| Sage | oh, crap. we don't have kernel debugs for that? | 13:14 |
| Sage | http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/tmp/bootchart-20000101-0002.svg | 13:17 |
| Sage | I really would like to know what happens between 5 and 16s | 13:18 |
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| Sage | CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG missing | 13:22 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: could you add that to the next kernel as well or was there huge performance hit from that? | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | there was something about there being some kind of performance hit yes | 13:23 |
| Sage | moved bootchartd-long.sh to bootchart package | 13:36 |
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| harbaum | the double task bar thing was caused by the fact that my default .desktop wasa trying to launch kde. For some odd magic reason this casue the mcompositor to launch anyway plus a telephone ui which added the portrait task bar | 14:00 |
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| harbaum | still no onscreen kbd | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | ps aux | grep maliit | 14:03 |
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| harbaum | mer 480 2.0 4.5 36500 10192 ? Sl 05:57 0:08 /usr/bin/maliit-server -remote-theme | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | keyboard attached? | 14:05 |
| harbaum | nope, sure not. but a mlouse | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: can you somehow build http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~cs448/git/trunk/src/progs/egl/eglinfo.c ? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | and run that | 14:07 |
| harbaum | urgs ... probably not. only via obs | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | we should really package that up.. | 14:08 |
| harbaum | yes! | 14:08 |
| * Stskeeps files a task bug | 14:08 | |
| harbaum | another issue i am seeing is that the minimized programs show as black screens | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's why i think compositor is shot | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | we want this working on non-n900 hw too | 14:09 |
| harbaum | the raspberry might help | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | raspberry is (sadly) at the moment non-x11 EGL/GLESv2 | 14:10 |
| harbaum | uh .... unexpected after seeing all those fancy qt5 demos | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's gles, yes, but not x11 | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | i've considered to make a egl wrapper that gives us fullscreen x11 gles | 14:11 |
| harbaum | is there no xserver to be run on top of egl? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | it's more complicated than that.. so, the raspberry pi has a framebuffer device we can run x11 on top of, but you talk to a display manager of sorts and tell "my gles window will be at X,Y, this Z layering" | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | and then pass that window to the gles stack | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | er, egl stack | 14:14 |
| harbaum | ok | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | this can be abstracted a little more nicely obviously :) | 14:15 |
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| harbaum | hmm, shutting down also doesn't work ... | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | poweroff? | 14:19 |
| harbaum | shutdown -h now | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | different command in systemd wasn't it? | 14:19 |
| harbaum | hangs after Unit uxlaunch.service entered failed state. | 14:20 |
| harbaum | powreoff looks the same | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, can be a lot of factors | 14:21 |
| harbaum | heartbeat led stops flashing, so something seems to be crashing severely | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | we used to have poweroff issues with our n900 kernel | 14:21 |
| harbaum | but that's actually not very important as hard reset still works | 14:21 |
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| iekku | what is alterego's username in the mer bz? | 15:30 |
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| Stskeeps | tswindell? | 15:30 |
| iekku | ok | 15:30 |
| iekku | it was without t :D | 15:31 |
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| csdb | speaking of systemd (A few hours ago but I'm just getting online...): | 17:27 |
| csdb | I get these annoying "Running in chroot, ignoring request." during mic image creation | 17:28 |
| csdb | they are caused by "systemctl daemon-reload" in %post section of some rpms | 17:28 |
| csdb | which is a problem. %post running during image creation is a very different thing that %post running on target | 17:29 |
| csdb | anyone know of a way to tell them apart? | 17:29 |
| csdb | so I can put some conditional around that daemon-reload and avoid warning messages on image creation ? | 17:30 |
| * csdb wonders if mic2 people are here or on #meego | 17:30 | |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, well, it doesn't really need a reload when systemd isn't loading and we're just adding services | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | what's the harm in it, out of curiousity? | 17:41 |
| csdb | a number of specfiles have systemctl %posts, including avahi, bluez, ofono, openssh, udev | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | right, in order to activate the service when package is installed | 17:42 |
| csdb | the harm is nothing because systemctl realizes it is running under chroot and bails | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | systemd picks up the service file upon boot | 17:43 |
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| csdb | but the question is really around the fact that %post can potentially be run in 2 completely different setups: image creation time (and not running on real HW) and @ runtime (running on real HW) | 17:43 |
| csdb | and to run commands such as systemctl which only make sense @ runtime seems wrong | 17:44 |
| csdb | right now as I mentioned is just the annoyance of the "Running in chroot, ignoring request" message during image creation (and me getting asked all the time about that error...) | 17:44 |
| csdb | but what if someone needs a %post that would cause problems in emulation but is necessary on the target? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | it sounds like a good feature to have, but we have three cases: during build, during image creation and during install on live device | 17:45 |
| csdb | e.g. in the systemctl case, it would potentially talk to the host's systemd if it didn't have that chroot check... | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | i think we can do it with rpm macros perhaps | 17:46 |
| csdb | Yes, there is a potential for problem during build also. But if you know beforehand that you'll only do builds in emulation, you can take that into account | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:46 |
| csdb | but %post section you don't know beforehand if it'll be in emulation or not | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | ubuntu uses a /CurrentlyBuilding kind of thing | 17:46 |
| csdb | Yes, I would hope that there's some sort of macro that helps out. That's what I was looking for | 17:47 |
| csdb | if anyone knew beforehand of its existence | 17:47 |
| csdb | if not, maybe I'll look into creating a %post-target-only macro | 17:47 |
| csdb | or something like that | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it's an unsolved problem currently, but i'll add it to mer architectual backlog as it warrants exploring | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | or %is_creating_image | 17:48 |
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| csdb | or %in_emulation | 17:48 |
| csdb | :-) | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | there's a "running with qemu" thing in OBS, i think | 17:48 |
| csdb | I guess %is_creating_image is better since you'll want to skip %post even if you're creating an image on the target HW | 17:49 |
| csdb | %is_live_install | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | nah, not all %post is evil in installation | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | some things are genuinely needed to set up an image | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | like updating ldconfig | 17:49 |
| csdb | agreed - but we just need the option so that cmds that only make sense on a live install get skipped on image creation | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:50 |
| * csdb is looking forward to zero warnings during image creation | 17:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | your co-workers are quite picky about warnings :) | 17:51 |
| csdb | well, not so much picky as everyone will ask the first time around | 17:51 |
| * csdb helps a number of people come up to speed on obs+mic+spec+... | 17:52 | |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:52 |
| vgrade | evening | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | saw there's a new 'mic'? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | ie, mic2 replacement | 17:52 |
| csdb | I saw mention of it, haven't looked into pulling it in yet | 17:52 |
| csdb | on the todo list :) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85 <- Investigate variables for deciding if a %post/RPM scriptlet happens during build, image install or on active device | 17:52 |
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| Stskeeps | BTW, now that i have you - i noticed something awkward in the qt for raspberry pi configuration --- does the BCM2835 really support VFPv3(-D16)? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | first time i've seen that on armv6 | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | (they compile for -mfpu=vfp3) | 17:54 |
| * csdb goes off to create a mer bugzilla account to get on cc list for bug | 17:54 | |
| csdb | hmmm, I'll have to look into that. Haven't had time to look into pi yet | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 17:55 |
| csdb | that chip is from a different team | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'm thinking it's just a typo but you never know :) | 17:55 |
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| smoku | lbt: does Fedora builder still kills COBS? | 18:14 |
| lbt | probably - it's a kernel mismatch I think | 18:15 |
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| csdb | Stskeeps, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/floating-point-performance | 18:33 |
| csdb | which publicly states that it is an ARM1176 core :-) | 18:34 |
| csdb | and ARM1176 uses vfpv2 | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | so probably a bug then | 18:36 |
| csdb | though looking at the arm v2 to v3 difference and there's not a lot... | 18:37 |
| csdb | 1 new instruction + 1 new mode for an existing instruction from what I can see | 18:38 |
| csdb | where did you see the -mfpu=vfp3 ? | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | https://gitorious.org/qt-platform-mkspecs/qt-platform-mkspecs/blobs/master/5.0/linux-rasp-pi-g++/qmake.conf | 18:39 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: iekku: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Bug_Lifecycle | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | NEEDSINFO -> NEEDINFO | 18:49 |
| iekku | closed/fixed? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it RESOLVED? | 18:50 |
| iekku | no released verified? | 18:50 |
| iekku | talking about boss | 18:51 |
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| iekku | umh, too tired to focus on the text now | 18:51 |
| iekku | trying to read that again tomorrow | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: for 1) in creation: select "Other", we'll pick it up in triage then, if you can't find a fitting component | 18:53 |
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| lbt | alterego: ping | 21:02 |
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| sledges | good evening | 21:29 |
| * sledges has a big day tomorrow: a client arrives with their tablet prototype, and I'll try to sell Mer+KDE:PA2 to them | 21:31 | |
| Stskeeps | good luck :) | 21:31 |
| sledges | thanks :) | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | else sell them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM and http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/19/exporting-qml-from-photoshop-and-gimp/ | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | that should get them turned on | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:33 |
| sledges | hope they could at least go ahead with a proof of concept | 21:33 |
| sledges | ok, will show them this first (customers' sales guys like eye candies..) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPkYyDiuGyc I will not ignore your suggestions though, thank! | 21:36 |
| * sledges watching lipstick now with interest | 21:36 | |
| w00t | sledges: if you've questions, lemme know | 21:39 |
| sledges | thanks w00t | 21:42 |
| sledges | Photoshop/Gimp -> QML reminds me of Crank UI | 21:42 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: just fyi, that mips tablet actually does seem to have a bunch of source available from the SoC vendor (including uboot) | 21:47 |
| RaYmAn | ofc, whether it actually works on the tablet is another matter | 21:48 |
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| sledges | this is awesome Stskeeps, following your article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BRJ1qJkjZM | 21:55 |
| sledges | so is a no-brainer telling them that Qt QML UI can be applied for KDE:PA2 apps as well. What about branding (reskinning KDE PA2 itself)? | 21:56 |
| sledges | soz that I am ignoring lipstick for now. Unless they will want to build tablet interface themselves, lipstick is a good starting point | 21:57 |
| sledges | and lightweight, if their hardware will be too weak for PA2 - so is a good option, but now less shiny and more work :) | 21:58 |
| sledges | s/Unless/If/ | 21:58 |
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| vgrade | sledges, what SoC is in the proto? | 22:24 |
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| sledges | vgrade, will know after the meeting. but hope not a stone age, as they received it recently baked | 22:30 |
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| vgrade | sledges, ah ok, if you let me know I could possibly dig out some Mer/PA videos running on said SoC | 22:34 |
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| sledges | well, i'll keep this window open during the presentation :)) tomorrow 1400 UTC | 22:34 |
| sledges | thanks heaps! | 22:35 |
| vgrade | np | 22:35 |
| sledges | s/presentation/meeting/ | 22:35 |
| rZr | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=37829#post37829 | 22:36 |
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| vgrade | lots of good targets, I've got my eye on the new Sony Vita, Quad A9 and Quad pvr | 22:39 |
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| wmarone__ | ps vita is quad A9? | 22:41 |
| vgrade | according to http://uk.playstation.com/psvitasystem/#select-tab-specifications | 22:42 |
| sledges | rZr, here we meet again (remember http://sledge.100webspace.net/ ? :)) | 22:43 |
| vgrade | being advertised as most perfomant console atm | 22:43 |
| sledges | where I reused your files for h1930 | 22:43 |
| wmarone__ | yup | 22:43 |
| wmarone__ | though I suspect the system lockouts on it will make motorola's BS look like child's play | 22:44 |
| vgrade | the psp emulator mode was hacked in one day apparently | 22:44 |
| vgrade | but yes I agree, probably locked down good | 22:45 |
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| wmarone__ | 'twas, but I suspect that sony will rapidly pump out firmware updates and hardware revisions to patch any holes | 22:45 |
| wmarone__ | :/ | 22:45 |
| wmarone__ | granted as a hack target the updates probably aren't of much importance | 22:45 |
| vgrade | one to watch at least | 22:47 |
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