Tuesday, 2012-01-03

Matt_BattleIs Mer going to have an image creator like what MeeGo had?00:14
wmarone_mer uses mic to generate images00:15
Matt_BattleMIC as in Moblin Image Creator or MeeGo Image Creator?00:17
Matt_BattleI am thinking we used the one from MeeGo?00:17
Matt_BattleWe might want to give it a different name00:17
wmarone_I think moblin image creator became meego image creator00:22
wmarone_or at least the meego one was referred to as "mic2"00:22
Matt_BattleYea under MeeGo, It was called MIC2 to not be confused with Moblin's MIC00:25
berndhsthere is a new mic, that is evern newer and better than mic200:25
Matt_BattleI think Mer should be named something to differentiate from the other 200:26
Matt_Battledo you have a link?00:26
berndhsI think this is the latest and greatest https://github.com/jfding/mic00:28
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Matt_Battleberndhs: Let me go take a look.00:34
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Matt_Battlebrb switching computers03:11
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Matt_Battle1back03:14
Matt_Battle1Was there a response to my question?03:14
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befordwhat was your question04:25
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Matt_Battle1What virtual machine is used to test Mer04:53
befordI suppose the same one that worked for meego. qemu/vbox05:06
Matt_Battle1ty05:11
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Stskeepsmorn06:02
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Stskeepsphaeron: awake?06:33
Stskeepsphaeron: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/show?project=home%3Amerboss%3ADBC%3Atmpnn1Guyobsupload-change-274-patchset-1 , try to view build logs for 'bluez'06:34
Stskeepsthis is without your patch06:35
phaeronStskeeps: looking06:37
Stskeepshint: gives 40406:37
SageStskeeps: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/alsa-utils.git;a=blob;f=_meta;h=2782aa85ef7813c192a159eab5560b76a52529b2;hb=HEAD06:37
SageStskeeps: ^ what is that file?06:38
SageStskeeps: I'm removing it if unused06:38
StskeepsSage: drop _meta and _attribute, unused now06:38
Sageok06:38
Stskeepsphaeron: it's a localdep against a <link project=>, linkedbuild=all06:38
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phaeronthe webui is weird sometimes. trying from api06:39
Stskeepswhat i'm trying to do is basically to remotebuildlog that06:40
Stskeeps(sage: this is the blank build log issue, btw)06:40
Stskeepsor at least one of them06:40
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Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,278,1,alsa-utils.changes06:42
SageStskeeps: ^ how should that be handled? :)06:42
Sageor is that ok?06:42
Stskeepswe haven't merged it into core yet, so it's okay06:43
Sageah, ok06:43
phaeronStskeeps: so it does seem like a bug06:44
phaeronStskeeps: maybe it's a way to get my patch accepted upstream :)06:45
phaeronI haven't used linkedbuild=all before06:46
Stskeeps:nod:06:46
phaeronStskeeps: if you test with the patch, try modifying it so it works for linkedbuild=all too06:47
Stskeepsok06:47
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phaeronStskeeps: does it happen reliably ?06:50
Stskeepsphaeron: going to follow logs but it seems pretty reliabl06:50
Stskeepse06:50
Stskeepsjust had it happen in two repos06:51
phaeronyou deleted the project :S06:51
Stskeepsrather, BOSS did :P06:52
phaeronok :D06:52
Sageumm... where is the xserver upstream? :)06:53
Sagehttp://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/src/xserver/06:53
Sagethat is a bit old we have 1.10.1 already06:53
Sageoh, we have devel version?06:53
Stskeepstechnically06:54
Stskeepshttp://www.x.org/wiki/Server110Branch06:54
Stskeepsphaeron: had to remove the loop that existed, else build checks wouldn't go ahead in mer reviews06:55
Stskeeps(i had a loop that retried if logs failed..)06:55
Stskeepshence why it removed it06:55
phaeronah06:56
phaeronfwiw , in the std process we can keep failed builds for a certain period of time after which they are removed06:56
Stskeeps:nod:06:56
phaeronprecisely for situations like this so you have to time to investigate06:56
Stskeepsthe setup is linkedbuild=localdep -> linkedbuild=all -> remote obs project, btw06:57
Stskeepsso no wonder it breaks ;)06:57
* Sage ponders if the xorg patch he needs is in 1.10.x or 1.11.x series06:57
* Sage tries 1.10.406:58
Sagepah, old problem gone new problem in :)06:59
phaeronStskeeps: the only thing where things should start to appear missing is localdep. so that it appears in all means there's a bug06:59
phaeronI'll try to reproduce07:00
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Stskeepson random occasions i do feel like obs could be rewritten to something better :P07:01
SageStskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/#change,276 ?07:05
Sageonly deps are python and perl07:05
Stskeepsyeah, that's a bug07:05
Sagewhat is? :)07:05
Sagepython or perl? :P07:05
Stskeepsthe 'broken' one07:05
Sageah07:06
Sagek07:06
Sagedo we need xephyr?07:06
Stskeepsnot terribly, what breaks if we remove libGL?07:06
Sagewith 1.10.4 hw/kdrive/ephyr/ is failing to compile07:09
Sagefails on hostx.c:61:20: fatal error: GL/glx.h: No such file or directory07:09
Sageand well that is around if def that says XF86DRI :)07:09
Sageerr.. inside ifdef07:09
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Stskeepsah..07:11
Stskeeps:P07:11
phaeronStskeeps: that's the plan actually :D07:13
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SageStskeeps: just wondering should xorg glproto be dropped as well with gl?07:24
Sageor does gles use the glproto as well?07:24
Stskeepsglproto is a bit more difficult07:24
Sageso dropping gl can be done easily by dropping xephyr :)07:29
Sagedrops libglx extension from xorg-x11-server as expected but nothing else07:30
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Stskeepsmmm07:34
SageStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=xorg-x11-server&oproject=Mer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&package=xorg-x11-server&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&rev=707:36
Sagethat update to 1.10.4 was because of some compiler errors that were fixed in newer version07:37
Sagecompiler errors without the gl that is07:37
Stskeepsdo you have access to the PA repos btw?07:38
Stskeepsin order to add Core-next07:39
Stskeepsjust want to see how bad it looks (and mdfe is on vacation)07:39
SageI have access to some of those yes. I can check what I can do07:39
Stskeepsok07:39
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Sageuh...07:41
Sagehttp://pastie.org/311695307:42
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Stskeepscircular dependancy?07:42
Sagewell, they need something that is in their MEr extras that they really should push to the CE:MW:PlasmaActive07:45
Stskeepsok07:45
Sagehowever I'm failing to see what https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=Project%3AKDE%3AMer_Extras&repo_Mer_Extras_armv6l=1&succeeded=107:45
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Sagethose seem more adaptation packages than UX (except poppler-qt07:46
Stskeeps:nod:07:46
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Sageadded07:51
Sagewithout the extras though07:51
Stskeepsok07:51
Stskeepsmer has poppler-qt anyway now07:51
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SageI'll check the qtmessaging next.07:58
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SageDBC results in Core_armv7l can be read at http://qtl.merproject.org/6527e386-35e6-11e1-b558-00163e6e0038.html - highlights:09:17
Sage:D09:17
Stskeepsyes..09:17
Stskeeps:P09:17
Stskeepssorry about that :)09:17
Sageno rebuilds :P09:17
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Stskeepsi'm trying to bring down QA time with phaeron's patch09:18
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Stskeeps=> faster development speed09:18
Sage:nod:09:18
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Stskeeps'lo eebrah09:22
eebrahlo Stskeeps09:22
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here?09:23
eebrahtrying to find outmore about mer09:23
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Stskeeps:nod: anything in particular you'd like to know?09:24
eebrahhow to get started :)09:24
eebrahhave an image that won't boot on virtualbox09:24
Stskeepsright, want to try out a simple llvmpipe image, with the Nemo UI on top?09:25
Stskeepsfor vbox09:25
eebrahlost me09:25
Stskeepsokay, sec09:25
Stskeepseebrah: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-nemo-handset-i586-testing-0.20111128.3.CE.2011-12-01.2-1.2.90.20111212.1054.iso09:26
eebrahthanks09:26
Stskeepsthat's an image that is very alpha, which uses software rendered EGL/GLESv209:26
Stskeepswith the Nemo Mobile project on top of Mer09:28
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eebrahstskeeps thanks for the info09:34
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Stskeepsif you have any additional questions, feel free to ask :)09:38
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Stskeepsthanks to phaeron's patch, modifying acl now doesn't cause a full rebuild10:17
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Stskeepsfrom 320*loops packages, to 12 :)10:17
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SageStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=poppler&project=Project%3AMTF%3ATracker hmm...11:36
Stskeepsremove11:36
Stskeepspoppler's in mer11:36
Sageit is?11:38
Sagesince when? :)11:38
Stskeepssince a long time11:38
Sagehmmp....11:39
Sagewhy didn't I notice that before11:39
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Stskeepspoppler-qt was missing, maybe11:47
Sagepkgconfig(meegobluetooth) <- what is this? Not bluetooth-qt but something else?11:55
Stskeepsuhh11:56
Stskeeps:P11:56
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Sagedoesn't matter but only thing that blocks building of :Tracker against CE:MW:MTF instead of CE:UX:MTF12:01
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Sage\o/ building of n900 image with mer prerelease12:05
Stskeepscol12:05
Stskeepsc ol12:05
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Sage:)12:05
* Sage hands Stskeeps new keyboard 12:05
Stskeepsi think i should really just take a vacuum and clean my laptop12:06
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SageStskeeps: when is the planned release of the current prerelease?12:19
Stskeepsthursday12:19
Stskeepsi can already see kernel likely won't boot12:19
Sagejust about to ask :)12:19
SageStarting kernel ...12:20
Sageand then nothing happens12:20
Sageexcept after a while reboot (wd?)12:20
Stskeepsyeah12:20
Sagethis was on n90012:20
Stskeepsnot surprised12:21
Stskeeps-fconserve-stack12:21
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lbtjavier: ping12:23
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lbto/ phaeron12:25
phaeronlbt: hey12:26
Stskeepsphaeron: so far so good on patch12:26
phaeronStskeeps: cool \o/12:26
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SageStskeeps: we need to patch all kernels then before releasing new mer so we can test it properly12:27
Stskeepsphaeron: made http://review.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/build-compare.git;a=patch;h=a104deaf696012cb0d2049646ed4c46e342e56c512:28
StskeepsSage: yes12:28
SageStskeeps: we should do kernel page for mer so adaptation people could see what is required. That would be one of the things to put there I guess.12:29
SageStskeeps: wiki.merproject.org/Adaptations/Kernel ?12:29
Stskeepsyes12:29
Stskeepsgo ahead12:29
phaeronStskeeps: looks good12:31
SageStskeeps: maybe wiki/Adaptation_Guide12:31
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javierlbt: pong12:43
lbthey12:43
lbtI was just looking at bug 6112:43
lbtjavier can't log into nemomobile but merproject.org credentials work fine12:44
lbtstill an issue?12:44
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lbtjavier: ?12:46
javierlbt: on nemomobile bugzilla I can login using my username, not my email address12:47
lbtgood12:47
SageStskeeps: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide12:48
lbtif there's a bug it's probably that it should be clearer12:48
javieron merproject, i can log in using either my username or email address12:48
Sagevgrade: you probably have something to contribute to http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide12:48
javierat least I can log in on both :)12:48
lbtjavier: yep - that's how it's supposed to work12:51
javierok12:51
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SageStskeeps: qmf is not released in mer yet?13:04
Stskeepsit should be in prerelease?13:05
Sageah13:05
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SageStskeeps: you have patched kernel anywhere that I could try with the new release?13:54
StskeepsSage: sorry, was taking a shower :) moment13:58
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* Stskeeps waits for kernel to check out14:08
* Sage ponders if he remembered to push all package changes he was supposed to push to Mer Core or if there is still missing something.14:19
Stskeepscheck "my bugs" ?14:19
Sageyah, there is xephyr gl and qtorganizer but both of those should be in NEEDINFO state which isn't in mer bugzill :) -> https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8014:21
Venemohey guys14:21
Sagehey Venemo14:21
VenemoStskeeps, I have a question to which you surely know the answer! :)14:21
Venemowill I get any advantages on, let's say, the N950, if I give GCC the options -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=armv7  when compiling an app?14:23
Stskeepsit's already preset to that, afaik14:23
Venemoaah, so I won't need to bother :)14:23
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Venemothat's nice, thank you :)14:23
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StskeepsSage: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/stskeeps:/conservestack/Mer_Core-next_CE_Adaptation_N9xx-common_armv7hl/14:29
Sagehah, just put the n900 to bag :)14:30
Stskeepsalright, tomorrow then14:30
Sagenah, today... now... :D14:30
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Sagelets see14:33
Sagedoesn't work14:33
SageStskeeps: ^14:33
Stskeepsuhhh14:33
Sagecopying uImage to /boot should work right?14:35
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Stskeepsok, that was stupid of me14:35
Stskeepshang on14:35
Sageforgot to apply patch? :D14:35
Stskeepsworse, malplaced patch14:35
Sageheh14:36
SageI have to go but I can test it later this evening when I get home.14:36
Stskeepscya14:36
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andre__as I got asked on Facebook: "Is there any port of mer for lumia 800 ?"15:14
dm8tbrLOL15:14
Stskeepsthe golden question is: can you boot your own linux kernel and rootfs on it15:14
dm8tbrwhich boils down to: Is it HS silicon?15:15
Stskeepsit's qualcomm, afaik15:15
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dm8tbryes15:15
dm8tbrI don't remember the name of it though15:16
dm8tbrseems to be Snapdragon S1?15:18
dm8tbror S2?15:18
Stskeepsno clue15:19
dm8tbrwp indicates an MSM8255T which is S215:22
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dm8tbrreading through some datasheets, looks very much like secure boot and hardware domains with dedicated cmt etc15:27
harbaumThe imho more interesting question: Might mer run on the playbook?15:47
harbaumAlthough in germany it's still €400 which is more than i am willing to pay for some gadget like that15:49
Stskeepsplaybook.. that was QNX wasn't it?15:49
Stskeepsi would rather invest in an archos g9 instead if i were you15:50
harbaumyes, it was. archos g9, let me google ...15:50
Stskeepsthere's active effort to put mer on there, as well as new kernels, so15:50
Stskeepshttp://dot.kde.org/2011/11/30/plasma-active-archos-g9-tablet15:51
harbaumeither the archos is much faster than the beagle or plasma will be too slow to be usable15:57
Stskeepsthink they've been working on the indexing problem15:58
Stskeepsthey had two indexing engines at a time, as a start15:58
harbaumi am currently createing a new plasma beagle image from latest mer and vgrades plasma repo. but there are conflicts15:59
Stskeepsthink vgrade's repo is ancient16:01
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harbaumthere's something under http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/KDE:/Devel, but i lack a matching .ks16:02
wmarone_Stskeeps: did you ever get a chance to look at that rootfs I posted?16:07
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Stskeepswmarone_: no, but if i'm not going out for a dinner tonight i'll look at it16:08
wmarone_ok16:08
Stskeepswhere to does it boot up?16:09
wmarone_the image posted looks like it starts Xorg, but it leaves a blank screen16:09
Stskeepsok16:09
Stskeepsand it's supposed to show qmlviewer i presume16:09
wmarone_that would be my expectation16:09
Stskeepsok16:10
wmarone_no extra desktop environments or anything are in the image16:10
Stskeepsyeah, my first step is always to get qmlviewer up16:11
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phaeronStskeeps: I saw a nice function in the backend that can copy a project _with_ binaries ..16:19
Stskeepsisn't it in bs_admin?16:19
phaeronin bs_srcserver16:20
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Stskeepshm, interesting16:20
Stskeepsso we could do combo linked project and full repository publish?16:21
phaeronyeah, but actually I was investigating the "link merge without rebuild"16:21
Stskeeps:nod:16:21
phaeronlook at sub copyproject under a #XXX: sign16:24
phaeronand no , nothing NSFW there16:24
Stskeepsrather NSFL ;)16:25
phaeroncome on , perl is beautiful :D16:26
Stskeepsah, that is interesting inded16:27
Stskeepsindeed16:27
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Stskeepsone thing i missed was the ability to take a new request and do a total repo publish of it16:28
phaeronI could add a hook to request accept to check if this operation is possible . saves a lot of work16:31
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Stskeepsi have another bug i've noticed btw, OBS doesn't pick up on new packages from a linked project across a remote link16:35
Stskeepseven when i send an event that it has changed16:35
Stskeepsie, the project16:35
phaeronI didn't get that16:36
Stskeepsok, so, i have a project that is <link project="remote-obs:Foo" />16:37
Stskeepsi add a new package on Foo and the OBS doesn't notice the new package16:37
Stskeepsie, it should start building the new package but doesn't :)16:38
phaeronStskeeps: maybe fakeobs doesn't send the right trigger over the link ?16:39
Stskeepsas far as i can tell, i am16:39
Stskeepsbut i might be wrong16:39
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phaeronafair it worked in 2.1 .. maybe it broke in 2.316:47
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phaeronanyway gtg now , see you in a while16:50
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Stskeepswmarone_: ok, i'm going out so no hacking tonight :( tomorrow hopefully17:46
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wmarone_alright17:49
wmarone_I'll poke around more tonight17:49
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phaeronhttp://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2012/01/03/maemo-meego-tizen-mer/18:11
burtindeed18:21
burtit seems like tizen would absolutely need an Android emulator, to achieve mass-consumer-acceptance. and wy bother with your X/Gtk/EFL wrapper of that just use normal Android18:22
burtso.. forget about t18:22
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burti'll try mer as soon as i figure out u-boot ..18:23
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SageStskeeps: did you fix the kernel btw?18:54
Stskeepsyes18:55
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Sageok, I'll try again if that works better now19:01
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SageStskeeps: sure that this kernel should work?19:15
Sagebecause the behaviour is the same than before19:16
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StskeepsSage: hmmm19:37
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StskeepsSage: it still breaks?19:39
Sagewell nothing comes up after the starting kernel text from uboot19:39
Sagethat text stays on screen untill wd kicks in19:40
Stskeepsthat's worrying19:40
Sagehmmp. I try the kernel that is build against current core19:41
Sagethat should still work right even with the patch19:41
Sage?19:41
Stskeepsright19:42
Stskeepsmaybe it's the 000-kcflag-mno-unaligned-access.patch19:42
Stskeepsissue19:42
Stskeepswhich means i need to change the release advisory advice19:42
Stskeepsi'll have a kernel tomorrow19:43
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Sageok that boots fine19:47
Sageneed to retry the next one19:47
Sageyup, doesn't boot19:50
Sagealso with the current toolchain the systemd went to recovery mode during boot19:50
Sageso something else is wrong as well probably19:50
Sageor I have corrupted the fs already19:50
* Stskeeps fixes something19:51
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Stskeepsstarted new build19:53
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StskeepsSage: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/stskeeps:/conservestack/Mer_Core-next_CE_Adaptation_N9xx-common_armv7hl/20:16
Stskeeps(not sure if you're asleep yet)20:16
SageStskeeps: that boots20:17
Sagehowever systemd goes to emergency mode20:18
Stskeepsok20:18
Stskeepsthat may be related to modules instead20:18
Sagewell I did rpm2cpio at / of sd card20:18
Sageso those should be ok20:18
Stskeepsok20:19
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Stskeepsmaybe unrelated then20:19
Sagecould you disable quiet option for that kernel as well?20:20
Sagejust to get better understanding what happens. Will check tomorrow what happens during boot.20:21
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Stskeepscommitted20:22
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marxistveganHi mer folks just got nemo installed on my n900 :)21:53
marxistveganso far great work! seems faster than maemo at the moment21:54
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marxistveganhey all anyone have a wiki on how to gain access to the main HD info on the n900 when booting from microsd?22:24
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