Monday, 2012-01-02

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mdavey#7 is up: £46000:14
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Stskeepsmorn05:59
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Ronksumorning06:11
Stskeepsmorn Ronksu06:12
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Stskeepsoh feck06:55
Stskeepsmy widelands ran all night06:55
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Sage:D07:12
Stskeepswell, it was at such a stalemate that i could get rid of them all immediatley07:12
Stskeeps:P07:12
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Sageso your economy was "good enough"? :)07:38
Stskeepsseems so07:38
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SageStskeeps: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/repomd-pattern-builder08:10
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Stskeepsthanks08:10
Sageneed a package to mergit for this08:10
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Stskeeps'lo Matt_battle08:15
Matt_battlehi all08:16
Stskeepswelcome :) and what brings you here?08:16
Matt_battleJust seeing what the latest news was on MER08:17
Matt_battleMer*08:17
Stskeepswe have a bug triage at 14:00 UTC at least08:17
Stskeepshttp://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/maillist.html is also good to keep track with08:18
Matt_battleAbout to send an email right now08:19
Stskeeps:)08:20
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Stskeepsmorn cxl00008:21
Matt_battleIt just amazes me how many projects have come and gone this year last year08:22
Stskeepslast year was crap, yeah08:22
Stskeepsthe experiences with meego is what led us to do mer, a little more focus on what we all really need08:22
Stskeepsie, a solid core for small to medium businesses that they can rely on and build products with08:23
Stskeepsnot a full blown handset OS, just the difficult bits that we all have to do otherwise on our own08:23
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Matt_battleyeap08:35
harbaumvgrade: Do you have a qtmediahub repository?08:41
Matt_battleit will be interesting to see what the Tizen SDK will bring to the table08:42
harbaumBTW: Morning and happy new year!08:42
StskeepsMatt_battle: hopefully something saner than the current WAC SDK..08:42
Stskeepsharbaum: good morning and happy new year :)08:43
Matt_battleHappy New Year!08:43
StskeepsMatt_battle: i'm personally bordering towards phonegap these days08:43
Matt_battleI am still on the fence about HTML5 being the future08:46
Stskeepsi can see where it would matter, but doesn't mean i would use it for everything08:46
Stskeepsi'd build UX'es in qml, not html508:46
Matt_battlethats another problem, deciding on what application framework to use, QT or GTK08:48
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Stskeepswell, my ideal core is qt, with qtwebkit for html5 story08:49
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Matt_battleDo you have any more information on the ultra-portable Linux core that will be used?08:53
Stskeepsthat's Mer, and sure - what would you like to know?08:53
Stskeepshttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb08:54
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Matt_battlei'll be back in a little bit, I am going to take a look at the wiki08:58
Stskeepsalright08:58
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Stskeepsupdating Core-next snapshot on COBS09:11
chouchouneHappy new year09:12
Stskeepsyou too chouchoun09:12
Stskeepse09:12
chouchounethanks09:13
chouchouneI wish a great success for Mer ;)09:13
* Stskeeps too09:13
StskeepsREMINDER: Mer bug triage meeting in #mer-meeting at 14:00 UTC, that is, in 4 hours 50 minutes09:14
Stskeepshttp://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00077.html09:14
chouchounethe reminder is set every 10 minutes ? ;)09:15
Stskeepsnaah ;)09:16
Stskeepsmanually made09:16
chouchouneok ;)09:16
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StskeepsANNOUNCEMENT: Mer PRERELEASE 0.20120105.0.1 - http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00079.html09:47
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Stskeepsmorn andre__10:14
andre__hola10:14
Stskeepsandre__: will you be around for the bug triage i mentioned at mailing list?10:19
andre__I hope so :)10:20
Stskeepsalright10:21
iekkuStskeeps, was it 14UTC?10:29
Stskeepsye10:29
iekkuhmm, it's 16 finnish time?10:30
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StskeepsMer bug triage in 22 minutes in #mer-meeting13:43
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Stskeeps(ie, bug triage in #mer-meeting now)14:02
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vgradeharbaum, I have something here but don't know the status,14:26
vgradehttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_i586=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Avgrade%3Aqtmediahub&repo_Mer_Core_i586=1&succeeded=114:26
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Sagexvmc.c:490:22: error: the comparison will always evaluate as 'false' for the address of 'XvMCScreenKeyRec' will never be NULL [-Werror=address]15:08
Sagexorg needs a it patching15:08
Sages/it/bit/15:08
Sageor compile without that option15:09
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harbaumvgrade: thx15:33
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harbaumsomeone here wanting a lumia 800 and trying to get rid of a n9 ? :-)15:38
iekku:D15:38
harbaumthat odd thing doesn't even want to play mp3 files ....15:38
chouchouneStskeeps: what would be the ideal setup for a vendor infrastructure using Mer ?15:39
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Stskeepschouchoune: depends on what you want to do :)15:47
chouchounemmmhhh, UX stuff + hardware adaptation basically15:48
chouchouneeventually some middleware components for interactive table APIs (don't remember the name of the framework)15:48
Stskeepsokay, so, i can tell what i run Mer OBS on, which is kind of upper end, ie, several thousand packages15:49
Stskeepshttp://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex515:49
chouchouneas our hardware might be Tegra2, I think vgrade already did a lot ;)15:49
Stskeepsyou can theoretically go much lower, but RAM always helps on build speed15:49
Stskeepswe have three of those, one of them where the obs runs on and other VMs, two obs workers15:50
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chouchouneok, myself I have http://www.kimsufi.com/fr/ "Kimsufi 16G" where I will host VMs15:52
Stskeeps:nod:15:53
chouchouneothers in the project have similar servers, and we can host things directly inside the hackerspace's computers, so it might be fine on the hardware side15:54
Stskeepsi compiled entire meego for armv6 on a shitty 1gb ram machine in a week, so that gives perspective15:54
Stskeepsand mer is even more lightweight than meego15:54
chouchouneon the software side, we need OBS : is there a documentation on the setup (I think I saw that already on the Merproject but I can't find it today)15:55
Stskeepsyes15:56
chouchouneok, here : http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS ?15:56
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup15:56
chouchouneok great15:58
chouchounewe only need OBS ? (I'm not speaking of bug tracking and project management of course)15:59
StskeepsOBS and perhaps IMG15:59
StskeepsBOSS if you want to make products, as well16:00
chouchounewhat do you mean by product ?16:00
Stskeepswell, anything that is more professional scale :)16:01
Stskeepswe use BOSS in mer too to have a workflow process going16:01
chouchounelooking at this stuff on the MeeGo wiki right now16:02
chouchouneour stuiff is not so professionnal ... so let's see if the configuration effort is not too much in the end ;)16:02
chouchounebut thanks, we'll look at that16:03
StskeepsOBS is always a good first step :)16:04
chouchouneyep16:04
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lbtbugs updated16:10
lbtchouchoune: I've done a fair amount on setting up vendors16:12
lbtmainly for MeeGo of course16:13
lbtI'm working on a "Mer for Vendors getting started" guide too16:13
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chouchounelbt: that would be great16:29
lbtchouchoune: feedback would be useful too16:30
chouchounewould be great for projects like ours with few resources (actually, non-paid resources who do this during extra-time ;))16:30
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chouchounelbt: yeah, I'll be happy to beta-test your guide ;)16:31
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lbtis this something you don't want to do in public?16:31
lbtsince the "easy way" is to mimic Nemo and work on a public OBS and be part of the Mer ecosystem16:32
chouchounelbt: that will be completely open16:32
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chouchouneyeah, using COBS ?16:33
lbtso there's a fair amount of effort in looking after the infra16:33
lbtif you don't need to do it, don't16:33
lbtif you want to, that's fine16:33
chouchounethat's one option too ;)16:34
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chouchouneI'm not the only one to take the decision (actually, I'm the most up-to-date with MeeGo/Mer stuff ;)), but having our own things has some advantages, especially during the early development stage when we will do crap ;)16:38
lbtto stay "under the radar" just work in someone's home project16:40
lbtthen when you feel less shy, ask for a top-level project like Nemo16:41
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chouchounelbt: yes, will see with others16:47
lbt*nod* - let me know what you decide16:48
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vgradeI'm sure this used to work for me ssh -p 29418 vgrade@review.merproject.org gerrit ls-projects16:50
vgradenow getting 'Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.16:50
vgradePermission denied (publickey).'16:50
chouchounelbt: yep, anyway, I'll be happy to review your vendor doc (just for fun at least ;))16:50
lbtvgrade: have you done ssh-add ?16:51
vgradelbt, nope16:55
vgradefollowing http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution16:56
lbtit sounds like you're running a local ssh-agent and haven't added the key you use16:56
vgradethanks16:56
lbthmm16:57
vgradelbt, bingo, will add that to the wiki for fedora users16:57
lbtit's a general ssh issue, not fedora16:58
vgradeok16:58
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vgradehttp://www.pastie.org/3113603, what am I missing, I added -s to commit?18:08
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Stskeepscheck git log18:13
vgradeI think its because I did'nt have author18:16
vgradejust signed off by18:16
Stskeepscan i see your git log?18:16
vgradesec18:20
Sageffs. can't get the n950 to boot again :/18:22
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Sageocf went through ok. but doesn't work :/18:23
vgradeStskeeps, http://www.pastie.org/3113691, thats after I ammended to add author and committer18:24
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vgradeStskeeps, still giving same error 'not signed off by'18:41
Sagevgrade: should that signed-off-by: be the last line of the text?18:46
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vgradeSage, yes, thanks19:05
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vgradeAfter the push does the automation kick off reviews/builds or do I need to do something?19:43
Stskeepsit kicks off automatic testing yes19:44
Stskeepsvgrade: i don't actually see any packaging mistakes :)19:50
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vgradeok , thanks, is the process documented somewhere, from after the push19:53
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process19:53
Stskeepsis how it theoretically should go19:53
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vgradeok thanks, bit of span buildinbg up in the wiki19:55
Stskeepsyes, we should revert it19:55
vgradenot the process page :)19:55
vgradeI'll do some pruning19:55
Stskeepsphaeron: https://github.com/MeeGoIntegration/open-build-service/tree/transparent_prjlinks is latest prjlinks patch?20:00
phaeronyes20:02
Stskeepsok20:02
phaeronupstream may have moved forward a bit20:02
Stskeepsany things to watch out for?20:02
Stskeepsexcept for our friend build-compare20:02
phaeronno20:08
Stskeepsk20:08
phaeronmake sure to restart the workers20:08
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phaeronthere's a bit I was going to review but shouldn't affect you now20:11
Stskeeps:nod:20:11
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vgradehttp://www.tizenassociation.org/ whats this now21:41
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vgradeEXHIBIT C22:09
vgradeANNUAL DUES22:09
vgradeTwo Hundred and Twenty Thousand US Dollars (US$220, 000.00)22:09
vgradewe'll not be part of that then !22:09
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vgradean no mention of intel22:15
vgradelooks like limo foundation going for it with everyone except intel22:21
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sledges'ello!22:57
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WizzupIs there an overview of what functionality mer supports on the n900? Or what it doesn't support yet?22:59
sledgesMer or Nemo mobile?23:01
sledgesunless you like answering phones via terminal23:01
WizzupI was talking about drivers mainly23:10
Wizzupso - Mer23:11
wmarone_not mer23:11
wmarone_nemomobile adaptation for N900 specifically (I think)23:12
WizzupIsn't Mer the core (iow drivers and stuff)23:12
wmarone_mer is the core, but it does not include device adaptations23:12
virtualdhttp://www.linneasskafferi.se/images/2009/mer_47019190.jpg23:12
Wizzupwmarone_: Nemo then :-)23:13
wmarone_catch stskeeps in #nemomobile for specific questions on that23:14
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sledgesgoodluck23:19
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cxl000morning Stskeeps23:48
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