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| lbt_ | Happy New Year \o/ | 02:29 |
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| zmc | lbt : Happy new year to you too! A productive and prosperous 2012 to you and yours! | 02:41 |
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| Stskeeps | morn o/ | 06:53 |
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| iluminator101 | Is it possible to install mer on Tegra2 T250 graphics tablet | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | i think people have put mer on tegra2 device yes | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | s | 08:03 |
| iluminator101 | i specially referring about lg g slate | 08:04 |
| fw190 | morn and a all the best in 2012 to MER team ;) | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | iluminator101: generally: can you boot your own kernel, rootfs and are GLESv2/EGL drivers available and working for that combination, with glibc involved | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace is a good start | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | morn worfox | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | er, fw190 | 08:08 |
| iluminator101 | i am trying to get asus transformer prime but they are in short supply | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | wouldn't bother with the transformer, weren't they locked down? | 08:08 |
| fw190 | Stskeeps: ER like Emergency Room? ;) | 08:09 |
| iluminator101 | tegra 3 has native linux on kernel 3.2 though; so you are saying bootloader is locked | 08:09 |
| iluminator101 | on transformer prime? | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | fw190: ah, like erm | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | iluminator101: that's what i heard, at least | 08:10 |
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| iluminator101 | http://www.samsung-tablets.com/how-to-root-and-unroot-asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-tf201.html/ | 08:18 |
| dm8tbr | that has nothing to do with the boot-loader | 08:19 |
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| Stskeeps | in case you guys didn't see yesterday, i booted Mer on MIPS: http://pastie.org/3103669 | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | considering it was in a emulator, sub-30s bootup to shell with systemd isn't bad :P | 08:38 |
| dm8tbr | why does it still say MeeGo? ;) | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | didn't merge http://review.merproject.org/180 yet :P | 08:39 |
| dm8tbr | provides meego 1.3 *snerk* | 08:41 |
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| iluminator101 | you can load ubuntu on transformer you should able to load mer too | 08:45 |
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| dm8tbr | iluminator101: is it the usual 'chroot and vnc' or is it something else? | 08:48 |
| iluminator101 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUkCScxGUm8&feature=related | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | iluminator101: we have a fairly strict requirement of being able to boot our own kernel and rootfs | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | so if bootloader is locked, it's SOL | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1198510.html | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | so, some work, some don't | 08:50 |
| iluminator101 | happy new year sleep time | 08:51 |
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| dm8tbr | the tegra uses something that looks like a BIOS? o.O | 08:53 |
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| * Stskeeps begins project mer-on-his-non-atom-htpc | 09:32 | |
| Stskeeps | eating your own dogfood == good | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | i586 scheduler acting up? | 11:31 |
| dm8tbr | I saw some API timeouts a few minutes ago | 11:33 |
| dm8tbr | 11:06:10< foobot> 2012/01/01 11:01 ?? api.obs.maemo.org OBS_API (Service Check Timed Out) | 11:34 |
| dm8tbr | 11:21:10< foobot> 2012/01/01 11:20 OK api.obs.maemo.org OBS_API Public API (OBS link, source service) up | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 11:34 |
| dm8tbr | I must say though. I don't envy the people who have to maintain meego 1.2/1.1 - core obs uptime barely reaches 35 percent on a 31d scale | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | i rarely go to that OBS anymore, myself | 11:47 |
| dm8tbr | I only see it scroll by on my private icinga/nagios stream | 11:49 |
| dm8tbr | and some intel guy contacted me over the downtime stats I happen to have. he was not really amused when he saw them. | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:50 |
| w00t | dm8tbr: he was probably one of the unlucky people maintaining 1.1/1.2 :) | 12:11 |
| kimju | the last one? | 12:12 |
| dm8tbr | yes, that's what I grokked from his mails | 12:12 |
| dm8tbr | he claimed that MeeGo RE is actually very much existent and working, and not AWOL as it may seem | 12:13 |
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| w00t | haha | 12:15 |
| w00t | suuure | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, that part is true, RE is low on staff but they do still work | 12:17 |
| w00t | sure, i can write a script that accepts obs requests too | 12:18 |
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| phaeron | we have that already :D | 13:01 |
| w00t | :P | 13:01 |
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| dm8tbr | someone should sell theboss to intel ;) | 13:54 |
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| zmc | reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee' | 15:57 |
| zmc | Sorry, cat control issues here this morning. | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok, how many copies of db4 exists around the place | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | so far i've counted db4 itself, db4 in pam, db4 in cyrus-sasl.. | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | makes me scared to ponder how many sqlite copies there are | 16:19 |
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| phaeron | ldap has one as well afair | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | what i'm brewing on today, i have a mission: to enable my non-atom intel dual core 2ghz with nvidia gfx (fairly old) and 2gb ram, to be a Mer XBMC machine | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | so far it's 50 packages on top of mer | 16:23 |
| dm8tbr | that's more than n900? | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, i need nouveau and i might have some superflous intel packags | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | packages | 16:25 |
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| sledges | Happy New Year! | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | you too | 19:13 |
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| Sage | what time we had the bug triage tomorrow? | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | mer or nemo? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | mer is 14:00 UTC, nemo .. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | 08:00 UTC, so 10 finnish time? | 20:09 |
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| Sage | ok, probably not able to attend whole nemo triage tomorrow. | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ω | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 20:38 |
| sledges | :) | 20:39 |
| sledges | what happened to MeeGo Tablet UX ? is somebody picking that up? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | dead | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | and based on a dead codeline of components | 20:40 |
| sledges | :{ looked nice, and presumably faster than KDE PA | 20:41 |
| dm8tbr | shame, looked reasonably nice | 20:41 |
| sledges | or put it that way, less resource hungry | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | frankly, if i was to do a UX these days.. lipstick and harmattan component based apps | 20:41 |
| vgrade | sledges, are you seeing 100% cpu on start | 20:42 |
| sledges | vgrade, no | 20:42 |
| vgrade | sledges, there was an issue there at some stage | 20:42 |
| sledges | vgrade, yup i replied as fixed, let me fetch a link | 20:42 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, the thing is, i am where i am now right after I got my N9 and saw harmattan in action; linux4CE-on-bare-metal passion started burning in me :) | 20:43 |
| vgrade | also there was some work done to reduce memory footprint also but I guess you are using the latest | 20:43 |
| sledges | mail.kde.org/pipermail/active/2011-December/002432.html | 20:44 |
| sledges | vgrade, ^ | 20:44 |
| sledges | i had to remove all those components, and things started to work :) | 20:44 |
| sledges | free says 383 out of 871 MB free, cpu is 0.04 0.05 0.32 as nothing is happening | 20:47 |
| vgrade | I think at one stage we also had tracker and nepomuk both indexing | 20:49 |
| sledges | I had them indexing (nepomuk* an virtuoso-t were behaving badly, 100% CPU after >30min runtime) | 20:51 |
| sledges | after castration all good now, did not come back as to why (will be looking at black-screen problem first) | 20:52 |
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| sledges | do you think Tizen will bring back the man-effort and be lifting Tablet UXs from the grave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU | 20:56 |
| sledges | 'cause all this as a home project is simply not enough time to ressurect and bring to production quality | 20:57 |
| sledges | also as competetive quality | 20:57 |
| * sledges talks having all devices in mind (Phone, IVI, TV, Tab) | 20:57 | |
| sledges | big respect to basysKom though | 20:59 |
| sledges | i'll do my best to bring this out from my home and through to my managers | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | w00t did some work recoding tablet ux apps to harmattan components at least | 20:59 |
| vgrade | sledges, who knows what Tizen will bring | 21:00 |
| sledges | they all look covered up at the moment, wonder what they are cooking | 21:00 |
| sledges | it's obvious - Android is loosing to Apple due to its latency and hardware responsiveness | 21:01 |
| sledges | and projects like Mer could start smelling competetive | 21:01 |
| sledges | what keeps Android on top are the Apps though.. One could speculate on embedded hardware becoming faster, but then the software will evolve and demand more, too. Dalvik VM might still remain as bottle-neck .. | 21:04 |
| sledges | So, Archos G9 tablet will soonish officially put out KDE PA SDE by basysKom ? Is there anything else out there zeroing in on this level of success? | 21:12 |
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| zmc | sledges: Did you just say that the new archos will ofically run KDE PA? | 21:22 |
| sledges | zmc: officially will have SDE. about actual run support we'd have to wait more I believe | 21:22 |
| zmc | What's SDE? | 21:23 |
| sledges | Special Developer Edition | 21:23 |
| sledges | http://www.archos.com/support/support_tech/updates_dev.html?country=us&lang=en | 21:23 |
| sledges | now they ship Ångström distro to play with, for Archos <=G8 | 21:24 |
| macmaN | mkay mkay | 21:24 |
| zmc | Nice. | 21:24 |
| sledges | see comments: http://dot.kde.org/2011/11/30/plasma-active-archos-g9-tablet | 21:25 |
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| alien_ | Stskeeps: speaking of HTPC, I also have one waiting for me in Berlin that I could use as a testbed | 21:29 |
| alien_ | it's an Asrock E350M1 | 21:30 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: that's just the 'demo image' that comes with the open boot-loader | 21:30 |
| zmc | asrock... that name always makes me chuckle. Is the device any goo?d | 21:31 |
| alien_ | Stskeeps: I also happen to run coreboot on it, for a full open source stack | 21:31 |
| alien_ | zmc: it's not that bad | 21:31 |
| alien_ | but the state of AMD graphics drivers for it is less than stellar | 21:32 |
| sledges | yes, dm8tbr, just a 'demo', so no production quality still ;) | 21:32 |
| alien_ | even the BLOB sucked last time I checked | 21:32 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: more in the sense that we (openAOS) produced quite some things that were then running from that open boot loader on Archos devices | 21:33 |
| alien_ | and the hardest part was getting XBMC work with accelerated VA-API on it | 21:33 |
| dm8tbr | in comparison the default angstrom image sucks | 21:33 |
| sledges | dm8tbr, oh you are talking about what current SDEs there are (<=G8). Yea, never considered them worth attention, apart from being a open test-pad. Well apparently basysKom are working big time along those lines on KDE PA2 @ G9 | 21:35 |
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| sledges | but who's funding them.... | 21:41 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: then I'm surprised why they didn't fix the GLES problems with the Xserver... | 21:41 |
| sledges | what tells you they didn't? probably [government?] funding ended :) | 21:42 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: basyskom is a for profit company, they aparently see a possibility to turn a profit by selling services related to PA | 21:42 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: because if they did, we'd have SDE for gen9 now | 21:42 |
| sledges | oh from basyskom.com: The work on this project is partially government-funded by German Government, Bundesministerium für Wirtschaft und Technologie. | 21:43 |
| sledges | The main part of the project is financed by basysKom <...> | 21:43 |
| sledges | i see | 21:43 |
| sledges | aha, services most probably like PA BSPs for other devices | 21:44 |
| sledges | interesting, dm8tbr, what kind of GLES - Xserver error is it? is it gen9-specific? | 21:45 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: it's OMAP 4430 specific in combination with the TI BSP kernel used on the gen9 | 21:45 |
| dm8tbr | it comes up with a black screen | 21:46 |
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| sledges | :{ thanks for that | 21:46 |
| sledges | on my side of things, here on imx53 libGLES libs are not used by fbdev_drv.so , qmlviewer -opengl segfaults | 21:48 |
| * sledges so much to learn! excited :) | 21:49 | |
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| * sledges lol just found out that accelerometer on imx53 acts like another mouse! :D and always resets the main mouse cursor back to the centre | 21:57 | |
| sledges | on Xorg | 21:57 |
| sledges | slightest touch, or even electrical activity on board inflicts noice and triggers the accelerometer | 21:57 |
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| dm8tbr | sledges: time to ignore that then :) | 22:02 |
| sledges | or find a way how to turn the bugger off :)) | 22:03 |
| sledges | and i thought that this was caused by ESD accumulating on my carpet here :)) and killing all flash-based chips altogether! | 22:04 |
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| dm8tbr | haven't seen ESD damage in ages | 22:05 |
| sledges | me neither. but at work they've just bought mats for everyone :) not that we ever needed, but it's all about QA.. | 22:07 |
| dm8tbr | I hear in the 80s circuits were prone to it tho' | 22:09 |
| sledges | still so many things linger around in chips: PCI bus, UART comms, GPU comes from FPU, ... feels like time has stopped, but on the outside shows the giant leap. | 22:13 |
| sledges | Like bank systems still use text mode COBOL/FORTRAN written account management software, authors of which are dead probably :) | 22:13 |
| sledges | as long as it works - don't touch it :) | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, not dead yet :-D | 23:32 |
| sledges | ;D | 23:33 |
| sledges | nite! | 23:44 |
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