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| ScriptRipper | Hi all, | 01:22 |
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| ScriptRipper | we have created a Merproject git on github here: https://github.com/Merproject | 01:22 |
| ScriptRipper | this git repo is mainly for the Infrastructure code and patches like OBS | 01:23 |
| ScriptRipper | main git repos are still like said in wiki | 01:23 |
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| ScriptRipper | ping lbt X-Fade Stskeeps | 01:24 |
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| sledges | they beez zleeping.. | 02:50 |
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| berndhs | it's the middle of the night where they are, how dare they sleep ! | 02:51 |
| sledgezzZ | precisely! | 02:52 |
| sledgezzZ | we aren't sleeping! | 02:52 |
| * sledgezzZ ZZzzz.... | 02:52 | |
| berndhs | i'm tired, good night | 02:53 |
| sledgezzZ | nitezz | 02:53 |
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| * dm8tbr hates closed-source ipr-over-protecting licensing in the context of open-source projects :( | 09:13 | |
| dm8tbr | There will not be a hw-accelerated adaptation for STE silicon anytime soon. | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | so, let me understand the situation correctly.. it's OK when it's through a clickthrough? | 09:14 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: there is source, which was stated was intended to be BSD licensed, but it has proprietary headers and is supposed to be only available after click-wrap (which it isn't, it's in public git) | 09:17 |
| dm8tbr | the click-wrap puts many requirements forward, which would be IMHO impossible to comply with if we put this into OBS (even as a binary only) | 09:18 |
| dm8tbr | like 'can only be used with STE snowball' etc | 09:19 |
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| dm8tbr | http://igloocommunity.org/download/igloolicense.html 2.1 | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | I'm under the impression that you can't build it and then provide the binary for someone else to build an image based on it | 09:29 |
| dm8tbr | and all sorts of other pitfalls | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | two ways to solve this.. one is that i'm planning platform sdk of sorts, with SB2 | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | so you can build locally if need be with ease | 09:29 |
| dm8tbr | sure, but x-org needs to build against it... | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | sure, and? :P | 09:30 |
| dm8tbr | so you end up with ditching OBS and building a whole dependency chain in the worst case | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | other one is to provide those scripts and somehow pursuade igloocommunity to distribute the resulting rpms | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, hw adaptation is a murky murky area | 09:31 |
| dm8tbr | the headers have the same licensing proprietary headers, so that would need to change too | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | did you read about the AOSP challenges? | 09:31 |
| dm8tbr | don't think so | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | https://plus.google.com/112218872649456413744/posts/75aLL1dWY2u | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | seems like even android has similar issues | 09:32 |
| dm8tbr | comes to no surprise | 09:36 |
| dm8tbr | we'd be in the same fight with TI right now if not for you and koen fighting those things through and setting precedents | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | while it sucks, i guess it's good to provide methods to deal with non-ideal situations | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | there will be device companies which can get source but not provide it in redistributable form, and we should make it possible for them to make devices anyway | 09:44 |
| dm8tbr | well if you in-house everything you don't have to care | 09:44 |
| dm8tbr | you just put the sources into your private OBS and out pops a package | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:44 |
| dm8tbr | it's those pesky open-source projects that want to work in the open | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, this mips port is going quite nicely | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | succeeded: 122, failed: 5, still building | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | upgraded to gcc 4.6.3 | 09:47 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, some people do gardens in their free time, i experiment with porting mer..) | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:50 |
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| _av500_ | dm8tbr: or 3) ditch STE :) | 10:01 |
| dm8tbr | _av500_: that's the result they are getting at the moment, no support of STE in Mer | 10:02 |
| dm8tbr | which must suck at least for one STE guy, as he was extremely eager to see this happen | 10:02 |
| dm8tbr | I can see why, at the moment snoball only has paid work visible | 10:03 |
| kimju | dm8tbr, get him to work from the inside with relicensing those bits? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: so, we have the spec files and sources and it works but we can't redistribute? | 10:06 |
| dm8tbr | kimju: that's what I've been trying for 2-3 months now at least | 10:07 |
| dm8tbr | kimju: the last mail was some higher-up overrride that could be translated as 'go take a hike we don't care unless you have a business case for us' | 10:07 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: correct | 10:08 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I'm going to outline the situation to them once again, as they have no idea about OBS and what a public build system is... | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | there's something about that linaro has same bizarre problems | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | note for the logs: Mer MIPS is currently O32 | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:36 |
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| alien_ | Stskeeps: nice | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it was N32 for some reason, that's what you get for basing off other people's rpms.. | 11:10 |
| alien_ | Stskeeps: do you use any public OBS for this MIPS port? | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: semi-public, http://webui-ci.tspre.org and make an account, then navigate to http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/show?project=home%3AAdmin%3Amips2 | 11:15 |
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| Stskeeps | alien_: i use the new SB2-OBS integration to speed up my porting, so that's why it's on there | 11:15 |
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| alien_ | I didn't know that SB2 could integrate with OBS | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | new technology, been working on it for some months now | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | to replace our old cross compile approach | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SB2 | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | 282 succeeded out of ~320 is pretty good in my book already | 11:30 |
| alien_ | how hard would it be to get it converted into N32/N64? | 11:32 |
| alien_ | and would that get more packages to build? | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a little worried about that, it might need a full re-bootstrap | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | well, the reasons why packages don't compile right now: 1) missing a fix i have working in sb2-obs for armv7l, 2) picking up some patches from debian | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | 3) we're on glibc 2.11 there and 2.13 in rest of mer :) | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | so i think we can get a functioning mips o32 port that makes an upcoming n32 port easier | 11:36 |
| alien_ | did Meego ever work on MIPS? | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | the story is that mips technologies got rt-rk.com to make a meego port, and i got a copy of their meego 1.1 mips port.. they tried to get it officially into meego but was ignored | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | meego 1.1 -> 1.3 was a nightmare of a rebase :) | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | the mer mips port is based off rt-rk's work | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | alien_: got any hw you might want to put it on? | 12:24 |
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| alien_ | Stskeeps: no | 12:25 |
| alien_ | although I guess it can easily be installed instead of OpenWRT on wifi routers | 12:25 |
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| alien_ | and there are plenty of such MIPS routers | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: i have one, though mer has a tendancy to be more graphical | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | morn slx | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | er, sledges | 12:27 |
| sledges | morning Stskeeps ! | 12:27 |
| sledges | how'ß things? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: they're okay, happy to be back hacking | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | did you get qmlviewer with opengl going? | 12:28 |
| alien_ | Stskeeps: indeed, but at least the core could run on real hardware | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:28 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: ;) im still walking like a crab (in reverse :)) | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | i knew i should have grabbed one of those SGI O2's when i had a chance at uni.. | 12:29 |
| sledges | but hey, as we speak, i finally got down to the KDE PA2 desktop! | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 12:29 |
| sledges | got the welcome screen saying file ...welcome.qml ...unavailable..., and still no mouse and no idea how to navigate with keyboard | 12:30 |
| * sledges is just doing proof of concept at the moment | 12:31 | |
| alien_ | http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/05/99-chinese-tablet-is-mips-based-runs-android-4-0/ | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, saw | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | no idea if the GLESv2 libraries exist for glibc-based linux | 12:31 |
| sledges | wasn't it exactly because of cheap chinese copiers that Honeycomb was never released | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'm planning first to boot it in qemu (malta emulation), and then try out on hw somewhre | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | like the longsoon | 12:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Wrote: /home/abuild/rpmbuild/RPMS/mipsel/libqtgui4-4.8.0~rc1-1.1.mipsel.rpm | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | \o/ | 12:40 |
| sledges | sounds juicy! | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | morn amjad_ | 14:12 |
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| vgrade1 | Stskeeps, hi | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade1: have a happy new year :) i've done an experiment with llvmpipe, disabling the JIT for ARM | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | maybe that'll get llvmpipe working | 15:19 |
| vgrade1 | seasons greetings to you | 15:19 |
| vgrade1 | ping me if you have anything to test. I'm back to my desk now | 15:21 |
| vgrade1 | have the amlogic tablet booting my built kernel to frambuffer with penguin logo so far. | 15:22 |
| vgrade1 | looking for missing kernel messages now | 15:23 |
| fw190 | Stskeeps: happy new year. new nemo image after some testing feels ok ;) | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: amlogic tablet? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | the compulab one? | 15:38 |
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| zmc_ | Quick question I haven't found a straight answer to: Does mer/plasma-active run on X-Windows or some other graphical framework? | 15:40 |
| alien_ | zmc_: it uses X | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | mer plus PA uses X but from what i can gather, it should be transplantable to wayland eventually | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | mer itself is a bit more flexible :) | 15:59 |
| zmc_ | Oka, just wondering. I dislike wayland and am thinking about trying to get an android alternative up on my phone. The main reason I want to get rid of android is to be able to run X things. If the replacement doesn't run X it kinda defeats the purpose. | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | what device, out of curiousity? | 16:04 |
| zmc_ | Stskeeps : I'm not sure yet. I have an old HTC Dream (T-Mobile G1), and a newer HTC Vision (T-Mobile G2/Desire Z). I've been running debian in a chroot with vnc-hackery to accomplish desktop things on the phone, and it works well. The overhead of Android, and the sideways hackery has been annoying me. With some kernel tweaks I can probably get it running native X, and from there the sky's the limit. Only sticky points will be phone functionality. | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, baseband is always annoying | 16:10 |
| zmc_ | also whatever kind of binary-blob hardware drivers | 16:10 |
| zmc_ | Over in #linwizard a few years ago we got an old windows mobile phone, running linux and gpe/opie/enlightenment, with phone support. Biggest problem is that wifi / gsm data never worked, so having a mobile device constantly tetherd via usb was kinda useless. | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | aftermarket hacking is always difficult | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | for the n950/n9 we already had phone and such working before device release | 16:12 |
| zmc_ | When I got the phone I did a quick googlesearch for the CPU, and TI said it supported linux, what they didn't mention was that all the specs were under NDA, and there were no linux implementions out in the wild. So we had to reverse engineer all the gpio lines, and address space and, and and... By the time google coughed up the sources for the linux devices they had running on that arch, we had already reimplemented everything through reverse-engineering and gotten it | 16:13 |
| zmc_ | mainline-vanilla linux | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 16:14 |
| zmc_ | I'm kinda suprized that with debian/arch-linux support for various arm arch's so well developed that noone has put out anything that runs natively on phones | 16:15 |
| alien_ | zmc_: that's why it's better to carefully choose which hardware you buy | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | zmc_: well, there's SHR and co | 16:16 |
| alien_ | Nokia has a tradition of open hardware | 16:16 |
| zmc_ | alien_ I was super excited for nokia's new phones, and I really liked the direction they were going in. Then they flushed everything and got in bed with microsoft. | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | n900 makes probably the most hackable phone i've seen to date | 16:17 |
| alien_ | zmc_: but the hardware is still there | 16:17 |
| zmc_ | n900 looks really nice, even on stock firmware. But the platform is aging, and I haven't even heard rumors of a successor | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | well, n9 | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | i guess best we can hope is that someone someday makes a mer based phone :) | 16:19 |
| zmc_ | I havent looked at the n9 seriously because it has no physical kbd. Looks slower than my Vision. Do you get full specs for it? | 16:19 |
| alien_ | 95% is open | 16:20 |
| zmc_ | Also n9 isn't avail here in PR (United states territory) | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | 1ghz, 1gb ram, 16gb emmc, omap3630, single-core, 854x480 (i think) | 16:20 |
| alien_ | there was a discussion yesterday about hardware that's not yet open on it, such as GPS and NFC | 16:22 |
| zmc_ | It's also a bit worrysome to me that meego/tizen looks like a dying platform. | 16:22 |
| zmc_ | What's NFC? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | ignore meego part of the n9.. it's maemo6/harmattan | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | we run mer on it fine, which is meego-derived | 16:22 |
| alien_ | it basically allows you to transfer a small amount of data when you touch NFC devices | 16:23 |
| zmc_ | ahh got it. | 16:23 |
| alien_ | useful for Bluetooth pairing | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | or tags | 16:23 |
| zmc_ | so is maemeo still being actively developed by nokia behind the scenes? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | harmattan's OS is maemo6 but i think that we all can agree that the unit is slowly shutting down | 16:23 |
| zmc_ | Last I knew they abandonded all their linux devel to move to windows-phone | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | with the switch | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | er, harmattan=n9's | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | zmc_: do you know of Nemo Mobile? | 16:24 |
| alien_ | zmc_: there are rumors, that's all that I can say | 16:24 |
| zmc_ | I saw something this morning while looking at plasma-active things. (nemo) | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRnOazNu9Q&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL | 16:25 |
| zmc_ | alien_: I haven't heard the rumors, but windows phone looks like a sinking ship. With all the linux experience nokia has gained, it seems silly to just abandon everything. | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | on the plus side, a lot of the people nokia had, are now at the place they should have been in the first place | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | at the SoC vendors | 16:27 |
| zmc_ | I was really thinking of just putting debian right on the phone, and let the universe use it, or not. | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | i've done debian on a mobile device and i would like to state for the record, never again | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:28 |
| zmc_ | Really? Why's that | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | because simply that if you want a mobile device that is power efficient, low on wakeups and low on memory, you can't use a normal distribution | 16:28 |
| zmc_ | oh, none of those things are important to me, so *shrug* | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it matters to real consumer products :) | 16:29 |
| alien_ | the maemo is the nearest you can get to Debian on a phone, IMHO | 16:29 |
| zmc_ | I especially hate the android/windows thing of leaving all apps running all the time. | 16:29 |
| zmc_ | most braindead thing I have ever heard of. It's an embedded device... so run everything at once, and do suspend-resume trickery | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda wish that maemo continued with their hibernation thing | 16:30 |
| zmc_ | I really liked where maemo was going, but I have heard from a lot of people that the development was less friendly than it could have been. | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | maemo had issues as well | 16:31 |
| alien_ | zmc_: there was no IDE at that time, so you had to hack it on scratchbox | 16:31 |
| alien_ | now there is qtcreator integration if you want to make qt apps for it | 16:32 |
| zmc_ | I mean people submitting patches upstream, and being ignored. | 16:32 |
| alien_ | but for core stuff still scratchbox must be used | 16:32 |
| zmc_ | Also gtk+rpm would not have been my first choice | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | it was gtk+deb in maemo | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | then qt+deb in harmattan, then qt+rpm in meego | 16:32 |
| zmc_ | lol, anyone still maintaining harmattan? I have to deal with rpms regularly for work. Yick. | 16:33 |
| alien_ | they still make updates for it | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | i actually like rpms better now, there were some tools in meego that made it a lot easier than debian | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | also, harmattan is about as closed source as it gets.. | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | mer's rpm too | 16:34 |
| alien_ | but in mer you can generate spec files if you want from an easier yaml format | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:34 |
| alien_ | and that can also be used to build Debs, I guess | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | there was a lot of resistance to yaml from people in the start but they were converted fairly easily when it reduced workload of typical package work 80% | 16:35 |
| zmc_ | Really? | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 16:35 |
| zmc_ | So it's like a spec file, that you feed to a tool to help you build/package? | 16:36 |
| alien_ | the tool is called OBS and comes from OpenSuse | 16:36 |
| alien_ | it can build RPM and Debs out of Spec files | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | zmc_: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/xorg-x11-proto-renderproto.git;a=blob;f=xorg-x11-proto-renderproto.yaml;h=46c6066a5ca4df461a918de98e46be8a0b8f0473;hb=HEAD | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: close but not exactly true ;) it uses .dsc and diff.gz still for debian | 16:37 |
| alien_ | and the spec files can be reused from Fedora or generated from simple yaml | 16:37 |
| zmc_ | Watching that nemo video and it looks nice. How does integration work with non-nemo things. Like say I want to run gnucash, or openoffice, or kivio? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | zmc_: should work but the compositor is very fullscreen oriented | 16:37 |
| alien_ | zmc_: there are no packages for all those yet, afaik | 16:37 |
| zmc_ | Stskeeps : so if I want to run a window manager, I'm going to be fighting an uphill battle? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | zmc_: it's OSS, hack it as you want | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:38 |
| zmc_ | alien_ : Most things I run, I can compile from source. | 16:38 |
| alien_ | zmc_: there are multiple Wms available | 16:38 |
| alien_ | the one from that video is handset-oriented | 16:39 |
| zmc_ | I'm just worried that it's like going to be using RedHat again. I spent so much time removing things they did, it was actually faster for me to just run LFS. | 16:39 |
| alien_ | :) | 16:39 |
| zmc_ | I saw a video a while ago of someone running gimp on the N900. and it was full-screen for all the windows, but it did look pretty usable. | 16:39 |
| alien_ | zmc_: N900 was able to just run an ARM debian chroot | 16:40 |
| alien_ | including any WM you had there | 16:40 |
| alien_ | it was damn slow and not usable for a handset, but it worked | 16:40 |
| zmc_ | Well, that's what I'm doing now on my Vision. Problem I have is the overhead of android annoys me. | 16:41 |
| alien_ | the N900 had very limited memory for this kind of stuff | 16:41 |
| alien_ | 256M is barely enough for itself | 16:41 |
| alien_ | when you add a full Debian, the device swaps like hell | 16:42 |
| zmc_ | We have a custom database application at work for invoicing and job management and such that uses a db connector and openoffice python bindings to generate invoices. I managed to generate something like 50 invoices, toss them over nfs, preview them with xpdf and mail them to the clients from my phone | 16:42 |
| alien_ | the N9 might work better, it has 1GB of RAM | 16:42 |
| zmc_ | Phone got hot, but it did the job. That's when I realized that I use the phone as a phone, like 2% of the time, and the rest of the time like a computer. I looked at the specs, and it's faster than my workstation at home. (on paper) | 16:43 |
| alien_ | and the Harmattan doesn't induce as much overhead as android | 16:43 |
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| zmc_ | 400 - Invalid hash parameter - Got that from the link to the yaml file | 16:44 |
| alien_ | http://tinyurl.com/82zz6w4 | 16:44 |
| alien_ | zmc_: try this^^^ | 16:45 |
| zmc_ | alien_: Wow, that looks really clean | 16:45 |
| alien_ | there is a tool called specify that converts that into a spec, and I guess it also downloads the source tarball | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bad example, there's better, but for 70% of software, we can use generated specs straight | 16:46 |
| zmc_ | So what do you guys run on your daily-driver devices? | 16:47 |
| alien_ | for the other 30% we canhijack Fedora source packages | 16:47 |
| alien_ | :) | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | zmc_: i use n950 with harmattan right now, but nemo mobile is getting daily usable | 16:47 |
| alien_ | zmc_: I have an N900, will get an N9 soon | 16:47 |
| alien_ | but I don't run mer in there yet, just use a VM for it so far | 16:48 |
| zmc_ | wow the 950 looks nice, I hadn't seen it before | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | n950 was a developer device, only made in very few numbers | 16:48 |
| alien_ | zmc_: it's a device only available for developers, can't be bought | 16:48 |
| alien_ | some lucky bastards got them for free :) | 16:49 |
| zmc_ | i just tossed it into ebay | 16:49 |
| alien_ | I am a Nokia employee anc couldn't get one | 16:49 |
| alien_ | :) | 16:49 |
| zmc_ | Wow | 16:49 |
| zmc_ | that's harsh | 16:49 |
| alien_ | well, didn't really try to, I admit | 16:50 |
| zmc_ | What did you have to do to get one? | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | sign up for a developer programme for open source developers | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | or otherwise need one | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | (company contracts) | 16:50 |
| zmc_ | If you're a dev that has submitted over 100kloc then you get one. :D | 16:50 |
| alien_ | there were only like 200 of them or so | 16:50 |
| alien_ | 2000 | 16:50 |
| zmc_ | So, is there any kind of road map for world domination? :D | 16:53 |
| zmc_ | Now that htc has unlocked their bootloaders, and kernel sources are released with new phones, it theoretically shouldn't be hard for anyone to port these things to any given android phone | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | GLES drivers for glibc are always an issue | 16:54 |
| zmc_ | biggest stumbling block i can see is vid drivers | 16:54 |
| zmc_ | exactly. | 16:54 |
| alien_ | well, maybe there would be an use case for a mer-like distro based on uclibc | 16:55 |
| zmc_ | How does nemo run without hardware acceleration? | 16:55 |
| alien_ | or is only bionic uspported? | 16:55 |
| zmc_ | glibc should be fine. I like to have a solid GNU foundation. :D | 16:55 |
| zmc_ | I haven't spent too much time in android land as a dev. | 16:55 |
| zmc_ | I have compiled a few things here and there, and I hated it. I mostly hide in my debian chroot | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: i'm hoping that we can do more when i intend to split core and toolchain, but for now.. not easy | 16:56 |
| zmc_ | or get out with connectbot | 16:56 |
| alien_ | the drivers come as blobs linked against non-glibc libcs | 16:56 |
| zmc_ | getting straight framebuffer shouldn't be too bad, but depending on what mer needs that could be REALLY slow. | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | mer typically relies on GLES2 | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | though there's work into llvmpipe | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | for x86 at least | 16:57 |
| zmc_ | igh, so there's no way to just write to /dev/fb0? | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | there is | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | writing to /dev/fb0 ;) | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | just that qt may depends on gles2 in the future | 16:58 |
| zmc_ | Well if it runs on X, I know that I have a kdrive around somewhere that is pure fb. | 16:59 |
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| sledges | http://www.gta04.org and (for fun) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_jRI7InTpE in-reply-to: <Stskeeps> i guess best we can hope is that someone someday makes a mer based phone :) | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:01 |
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| zmc_ | I think making a mer-based phone is the wrong approach. Look how many people flash android roms every day. If you could flash a mer rom as easily as cyanogenmod, and be able to switch back and forth, that would be a way to get a lot of people on board. Just having one device, that probably won't be carrier-subsidized relegates the os to a hobbiest market. | 17:03 |
| alien_ | the problem is that the UX is not that polished enough for 99% of the ones who would run such Mods | 17:05 |
| alien_ | at least not yet | 17:06 |
| sledges | it is easy to flash cyanogen. but how much [one-off] effort actually takes to come up with a working rom for certain device, and the team at cyanogenmod are working at it big time | 17:06 |
| zmc_ | I can't say, since I haven't actually run mer yet, but the G1 at launch with android 1 was not very polished either. | 17:07 |
| zmc_ | sledges : you are right, it is a bunch of work, but it's a well-known process | 17:07 |
| zmc_ | for the most part | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | zmc_: technically we already have a mer based phone, nemomobile functions as a phone :) | 17:18 |
| zmc_ | I'll be back in a bit, have to take my sister to the store. | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo GildedStar | 17:23 |
| GildedStar | hey | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | welcome :) what brings you here? | 17:24 |
| GildedStar | Actually brought here from Jogglerwiki :) | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, some of us still work to put mer on joggler | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | though i have lost touch on what's new in it | 17:25 |
| sledges | how can I check if /usr/lib/libGLESv* are actually picked up/used by the system/Qt ? | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: qmlviewer -opengl will fail otherwise | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | make sure libGLESv2.so.2 and libEGL.so.1 points to your libGLESv2.so and libEGL.so | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | symlink | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | GildedStar: so what do you hope to do with your joggler? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | GildedStar: sorry, no dcc chat from me :) /query stskeeps is better | 17:30 |
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| sledges | thank you Stskeeps | 17:44 |
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| vgrade | happy new year all | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | for porting geeks, Mer on MIPS: http://pastie.org/3103669 | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | we should really fix meego-release.. | 20:46 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: isn't everyone out partying ? | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: probably, i'm home with wife and mother in law :P | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | taking a quiet one this time around | 20:50 |
| phaeron | I'd say that's safe , considering the wild fireworks :D | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, i wonder if this can be true | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | 8mb userland used with a shell prompt and systemd on mips | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | dbus online, too | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | ie, RAM | 20:54 |
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| M4rtinK | nice ! :) | 21:06 |
| zmc | Stskeeps : At home with the missus and kids, we've been sick and she doesn't want to go out this year. | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | zmc: i'm utilizing the mail and irc peace to get some free time coding done ;) | 21:26 |
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| zmc | Looking at rolling up a generic kernel for the Vision. Trying to get my cross-compilation toolchain up on this kubuntu box. | 21:31 |
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| * Stskeeps discovers automake's "make installcheck" | 21:44 | |
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| hefee | hello | 22:34 |
| hefee | is it possible to run plasma-active on a nokia n9 via the n950 raw images? | 22:35 |
| dm8tbr | there are instructions how to boot a custom kernel via usb | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/ may or may not work for it | 22:37 |
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| hefee | ok i'll give it a try | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | happy new year to all merfolk | 23:13 |
| cybette | and you too :D | 23:14 |
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| zmc | Stskeeps : Same to you. Best wishes for a prosperous 2012! | 23:31 |
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| zmc | what's fST? | 23:51 |
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