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wmarone__ | aha, really | 02:02 |
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wmarone__ | thanks Sage :D | 02:02 |
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wmarone__ | hmm | 03:03 |
wmarone__ | that modification seems to exist, albeit slightly differently, in the x-loader I have | 03:03 |
wmarone__ | err, sources at least | 03:03 |
wmarone__ | can't say for sure about the one on the device though | 03:04 |
wmarone__ | no, it's the same | 03:06 |
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wmarone__ | found the problem | 03:54 |
wmarone__ | if the vfat partition doesn't have the boot flag set, the nook won't acknowledge it | 03:56 |
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wmarone__ | there | 04:47 |
wmarone__ | I should now have an image I can blindly dd to an SD card and boot | 04:47 |
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wmarone__ | yup | 05:09 |
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wmarone__ | :/ and now the kernel won't boot | 05:52 |
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wmarone__ | more tomorrow :o | 05:52 |
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Stskeeps | morn | 05:57 |
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Sage | wmarone__: ah, the bootflag is another thing... you need to have --active in the boot part in the .ks file | 07:05 |
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Stskeeps | wmarone__: BTW, how about kexec on nook tablet? | 07:18 |
wmarone__ | Sage: thanks, I'll include that. | 07:29 |
wmarone__ | Stskeeps: ignoring it, don't want platforms that require such contotrions to use | 07:30 |
Stskeeps | yeah, sure | 07:30 |
wmarone__ | so close to buying one too | 07:31 |
Stskeeps | i'd rather sink money into something archos-omap4 based myself | 07:31 |
Stskeeps | at least i know those guys are cool with open source access | 07:31 |
wmarone__ | that seems to run contrary to my understanding of archos | 07:31 |
Stskeeps | well at least the archos g9 has work ongoing for it | 07:32 |
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Stskeeps | 109 packages out of 320 packages built with SB2, only one failure so far, i like where this is going | 08:26 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: how much faster is it ? | 08:27 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: right now installation phase is slower, i think we have a regression | 08:27 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: intentionally getting things working first before optimizing | 08:27 |
Stskeeps | but it's much less complex than our previous setup | 08:28 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: less complex usually pays off in the long term :) | 08:28 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:28 |
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Stskeeps | phaeron: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/rpm.pdf | 08:56 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: per binary ? | 08:58 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: this is just a call graph, if i had process accounting i'd get statistics on how much was spent in QEMU and how much wasn't | 08:58 |
Stskeeps | Tools means it was accelerated | 08:59 |
phaeron | ah. I thought it was something related to yesterday's depgraph | 09:00 |
Stskeeps | nop | 09:00 |
Stskeeps | this is from SB2-OBS :) | 09:00 |
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phaeron | nice | 09:03 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: bzip2 missing ? | 09:03 |
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Stskeeps | was a tar.gz | 09:04 |
phaeron | make make | 09:04 |
phaeron | err and make | 09:04 |
Stskeeps | it was just beginnings of a build :) | 09:04 |
phaeron | ok. jumping the gun | 09:05 |
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javier | hi | 09:14 |
Stskeeps | lo javier | 09:16 |
javier | I'm trying to get connman to work on mer/arm | 09:17 |
javier | it seems it needs the meego.settings module | 09:17 |
Stskeeps | meego.settings? | 09:18 |
javier | yep | 09:20 |
javier | it complains that it isn't installed | 09:20 |
Stskeeps | not sure what that is :) can you give me a debug log or something? | 09:20 |
javier | I have checked the package list and it seems it's missing meego-ux-settings | 09:23 |
javier | so far I only tried plasma-windowed to debug it | 09:23 |
Stskeeps | meego-ux-settings is part of tablet ux, that doesn't sound right | 09:23 |
Stskeeps | so, can you tell me the exact symptoms you're having? :) | 09:24 |
javier | sure :) | 09:24 |
javier | this object could not be created for the following reason: blabla/org.kde.active.connman/.../main.qml module "MeeGo.Settings" is not installed | 09:25 |
Stskeeps | urgh | 09:25 |
Stskeeps | so they mixed it in with the meego tablet ux? | 09:25 |
Stskeeps | that doesn't sound healthy :) | 09:26 |
javier | hmm, not sure | 09:26 |
javier | let see | 09:26 |
Stskeeps | it sure looks like that | 09:26 |
Stskeeps | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-settings/trees/master/Settings | 09:27 |
javier | the meego-ux-settings tarball has some interesting stuff | 09:27 |
Stskeeps | i'd recommend to remove that dependancy somehow and integrate it, as that codeline is dead like a doornail | 09:28 |
javier | the other possibility is to use network-manager | 09:29 |
javier | and forget about connman, like balsam/opensuse does | 09:29 |
Stskeeps | it is a possibility, but i'd like people to do proper evaluations of it on top of mer | 09:29 |
javier | it = connman? | 09:29 |
Stskeeps | network-manager also needs to talk to ofono | 09:29 |
Stskeeps | nah, network-manager | 09:29 |
javier | ok | 09:30 |
Stskeeps | from my perspective people can use what they want, just remember to use proper bearer plugin for qt mobility and deal with the bug reports yourself ;) | 09:34 |
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javier | :) | 09:54 |
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lbt | javier: hey | 10:00 |
lbt | bz issues? | 10:00 |
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javier | hi lbt | 10:31 |
javier | bz as in bugzilla? | 10:31 |
lbt | hey ... bz issues? | 10:31 |
lbt | yes | 10:31 |
javier | yes | 10:32 |
javier | but only with nemobile bugzilla | 10:32 |
lbt | can you try logging on to nemo bz using your merproject username, not email | 10:32 |
javier | it works now | 10:33 |
lbt | good | 10:33 |
javier | thanks :) | 10:33 |
lbt | you say "now! | 10:33 |
lbt | did you try using your username before? | 10:34 |
javier | yep | 10:34 |
lbt | hmm | 10:34 |
lbt | that is really odd then | 10:34 |
lbt | I haven't done anything | 10:34 |
lbt | but most people use email to login to bz | 10:34 |
javier | as far as I remember I tried doing many things | 10:34 |
javier | logging in using email doesn't work | 10:35 |
lbt | no, I need to make note on the login page | 10:35 |
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sledges | morning | 11:30 |
Stskeeps | morn | 11:30 |
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sledges | finally free, so building a kickstart for imx with smoku's adaptation; running into problems: | 11:31 |
sledges | mic-image-creator -f fs -c imx.ks --cache=cache --mainrepo=mer-core --arch=armv7hl spits out this: | 11:32 |
sledges | Generating primary.sqlite from primary.xml for repo mer-core with arch i686... | 11:32 |
sledges | Error: Failed to create bootstrap : URLGrabber error: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/ia32/packages//repodata/repomd.xml | 11:32 |
Sage | pastebin the full log please | 11:32 |
Sage | you have wrong repo there, ia32 repo on armv7hl build | 11:32 |
Stskeeps | and don-t use mainrepo, do bootstrap too | 11:32 |
sledges | ia32 is arch, and i have no idea how it sneaked in.. | 11:33 |
sledges | no references to i* archs throughout, apart from the building host, which is ia32 | 11:33 |
sledges | mer-image creator tries to bootstrap without being asked somehow | 11:33 |
Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Commands | 11:33 |
Stskeeps | "Mic comands" | 11:33 |
Stskeeps | the create-bootstrap one | 11:34 |
Stskeeps | and drop --mainrepo | 11:34 |
* sledges in progress | 11:35 | |
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sledges | thank you Stskeeps and Sage ; the next error is: Error: Requires qemu version >= 0.13 for armv7hl | 11:50 |
sledges | i am building it on OBS VMWare image | 11:50 |
* sledges not savvy on managing RPMs.. | 11:51 | |
Sage | sledges: you need to update your qemu to newer version I would prefer >= 0.14 actually | 11:51 |
Stskeeps | Sage: you likely want armv7l for imx anywaay | 11:51 |
Stskeeps | er, sledges | 11:51 |
Sage | Stskeeps: I think mic doesn't make difference and requires qemu >= for that as wel | 11:52 |
sledges | Sage, how do I do that in opensuse (OBS)? | 11:52 |
sledges | Stskeeps: I had to make a choice: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/Mer%3a/HA%3a/iMX/ | 11:52 |
sledges | Sage, you are right, http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#ARM_related_issues | 11:53 |
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Stskeeps | 'lo ClashTheBunny | 12:24 |
ClashTheBunny | ? | 12:25 |
Stskeeps | just saying hi :) so what brings you here? | 12:25 |
ClashTheBunny | I was interested in Mer a while ago when I first got an N900. I wanted to see what the new Mer was like, so I'm just poking around. | 12:36 |
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Stskeeps | alright, Nemo Mobile is probably of interest then | 12:52 |
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RaYmAn | Stskeeps: hey..do you guys have any documentation on what's required from a vendor to be 'Mer' supportive (maybe not using it directly, but allowing "end-users" to use Mer-based products easily) | 13:03 |
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Stskeeps | RaYmAn: ability to flash own kernel / boot own kernel, own rootfs, access to libGLESv2/EGL in a redistributable form ideally, 2.6.32 and up | 13:10 |
RaYmAn | okay, so that's pretty simple =P | 13:11 |
RaYmAn | presumably also X11 drivers | 13:11 |
Stskeeps | framebuffer or X11, either one works | 13:11 |
Stskeeps | wayland best, but a moving target | 13:11 |
RaYmAn | ah | 13:11 |
RaYmAn | yeah | 13:11 |
Stskeeps | it really depends on the kind of UI you want to make, so | 13:11 |
Stskeeps | some only need GLESv2 on top of framebuffer and single-app | 13:12 |
RaYmAn | well, that also requires being able to run GLESv2 purely on framebuffer I guess | 13:12 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 13:12 |
RaYmAn | this is for a new device, so | 13:12 |
Stskeeps | but yeah.. that's pretty much basics | 13:13 |
RaYmAn | Cool :) | 13:13 |
Stskeeps | kernel source very required | 13:13 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:13 |
RaYmAn | of course :P | 13:14 |
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vgrade | http://summify.com/story/Tu-5ZQIvkA9gJYbk/www.theverge.com/2011/12/19/2647362/apple-wins-ban-of-htc-devices-itc | 13:15 |
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vgrade | "The patent issued in 1999 and, in general terms, covers a device that scans computer text for data, like a phone number, and turns that number into a link that the user can then select to perform an act, like calling the number" | 13:20 |
Stskeeps | yeah.. | 13:20 |
vgrade | so that would cover links in emails | 13:22 |
vgrade | and browsers | 13:23 |
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Stskeeps | nah, it's free form text transformation to structured | 13:32 |
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vgrade | free form text from where? | 13:43 |
Stskeeps | anywhere, i guess | 13:43 |
vgrade | emails? | 13:44 |
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vgrade | a tweet with an embedded link? | 13:46 |
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Stskeeps | tweet might cover | 13:48 |
Stskeeps | the patent is nasty | 13:48 |
vgrade | yea | 13:48 |
Stskeeps | which is why i'm not fond of doing business in the US ;) | 13:48 |
vgrade | are Samsung still banned from Germany/ | 13:49 |
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leinir | We need some lawyer to start a crusade against too-general patents... unlikely happen, of course, because patent cases are an enormous source of free monies for them ;) | 13:52 |
Stskeeps | i vote we capture a central bank somewhere | 13:56 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:56 |
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slaine | a tweet with a phone number or a date or reference to tomorrow for example could be turned into a link to your contact address book or a calendar appointment | 13:59 |
Bostik | I wonder what would happen if patent office could demand punitive fines from the filing entity whenever a patent is invalidated... | 14:00 |
slaine | Though I don't know if they parse tweets per se, | 14:00 |
slaine | man I need some coffee | 14:00 |
Bostik | and by punitive I mean "directly proportional to costs incurred while defendind said patent" | 14:00 |
Stskeeps | slaine: hashtags | 14:01 |
slaine | same to you ;P | 14:01 |
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sledges | hello again fellows, | 14:05 |
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Stskeeps | wello | 14:07 |
sledges | just putting a very harsh Freescale i.MX53 Mer KDE Plasma KickStart .ks so don't be too cruel :) ( here is the file: http://pastebin.com/ZG2W4kNq ) | 14:11 |
sledges | getting an error: Error: failed to create image : Unable to download from repo : Error: Unresolved dependencies, transaction failed. | 14:11 |
sledges | (buildlog: http://pastebin.com/hqY0fXcB ) | 14:11 |
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slaine | sledges: looks like the url for smoku's repo is the problem | 14:23 |
slaine | have you verified that it's correct | 14:23 |
sledges | slaine, it apparently is, and package were downloaded from successfully: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/Mer:/HA:/iMX/Mer_Core_armv7hl/ | 14:25 |
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Sage | sledges: add --pkgmgr=yum to the cmdline | 14:25 |
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araujo | morning | 14:26 |
slaine | Sage: shouldn't it be using zipper ? | 14:26 |
slaine | zypper | 14:26 |
Sage | slaine: zypper ****s in some things ;) | 14:26 |
slaine | ffs | 14:26 |
Sage | or well the mic-image-creator (aka. mic2) sucks :) | 14:26 |
slaine | and was written based on yum | 14:26 |
slaine | What does mic offer over appliance-tools ? | 14:27 |
slaine | I use appliance-tools to make my fedora images | 14:27 |
Stskeeps | slaine: ARM support as a start | 14:27 |
slaine | I think Stskeeps mentioned it works better with non-x86 archs | 14:27 |
slaine | snap | 14:27 |
slaine | What does that mean though, mic can use cross-compilers when it see arch: tags ? | 14:28 |
Sage | iekku: ping :) | 14:28 |
slaine | cause it's all python | 14:28 |
Stskeeps | slaine: means it can deal with qemu and such | 14:28 |
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Stskeeps | ie, build an ARM image using user mode qemu | 14:29 |
Sage | iekku: wiki is missing component in bugzilla | 14:29 |
slaine | sledges: there's a couple of the following in that output that would point to the smoku repo | 14:32 |
slaine | Errors getting repomd.xml.key | 14:32 |
sledges | slaine: that one i ignored, as the repomd.xml.key is simply not there at smoku's | 14:32 |
Sage | just add the pkgmgr option :) | 14:33 |
slaine | wot he said I guess ^ | 14:33 |
Sage | it is normal to have 100 errors in mic build log :) | 14:33 |
slaine | that makes my Aspergers go mad | 14:33 |
Sage | whe the "new" mic (yes, it is mic not mic2 or mic3) things are a bit better | 14:34 |
Sage | with* | 14:34 |
slaine | rewrite ? | 14:34 |
Sage | not sure but well it seems better | 14:34 |
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sledges | ok, i'm getting there, and odd one now: file /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/services/powermanagementservice.operations conflicts between attempted installs of plasma-mobile-0.2+git20111014.144145.removedwelcome-3.6.armv7hl and kde-workspace-4.7.4+git20111212.030135-17.1.armv7hl ; can't figure out where kde-workspace sneaked in from | 14:58 |
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Stskeeps | start with a qmlviewer install maybe | 15:04 |
Stskeeps | and then move up | 15:04 |
sledges | oh well, me starting from the top (baad I know) | 15:04 |
sledges | chances are I will bump into this error again | 15:04 |
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alterego | Hrm, how do I list the contents of an installed rpm? | 15:35 |
Stskeeps | rpm -ql | 15:35 |
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sledges | fellows, here's a challenge for you | 15:50 |
sledges | i need to remove the file 'powermanagementservice.operations' from this package, plasma-mobile-0.2+git20111014.144145.removedwelcome-3.6.armv7hl and repackage it | 15:50 |
sledges | how could I do it all locally first for a smoke test ? | 15:50 |
sledges | create a local repo, or probably there are even faster ways of doing it | 15:51 |
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Sage | slaine: osc build | 15:52 |
Sage | err... sledges | 15:52 |
Sage | I'm usually doing those first osc branch project package ; do changes ; osc build repository architecture --no-verify | 15:53 |
* alterego just hacked together a simple QML based wifi connection UI .. | 15:54 | |
Sage | that builds the package locally and tells where you can get it from the local fs | 15:54 |
sledges | Sage: then I'll just append a repo ...--baseurl=file:///... line into a .ks ? | 15:54 |
sledges | I wonder how it will pick it up, instead of a problematic 'plasma-mobile-0.2+git20111014.144145.removedwelcome-3.6.armv7hl' - shall I be giving it the same name then ? | 15:55 |
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Sage | sledges: you can just boot the image and update the package no need to create new image I guess | 15:59 |
Sage | but in theory that file:/// should work | 15:59 |
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sledges | Sage: I haven't got a working image, mic-image-creator curses on the conflict (i wonder how could i tell it to ignore it?): see my previous post | 16:00 |
Sage | sledges: where is the full log of that conflict? | 16:01 |
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sledges | Sage: I don't think you need that, as the bug is confirmed in #active: <sebas> the file should be removed from the plasma-mobile package (we moved it to workspace) | 16:02 |
sledges | now they fixed it, but the fix will need to propagate through repos until I'll get an out-of-the-box green light going | 16:03 |
sebas | sledges: it's actually being used, I think we moved some stuff "upstream", but didn't port our code that uses it yet | 16:03 |
Sage | sledges: well, just though that if you are still using zypp backend to build images it might be just the reason. mic2 doesn't resolv conflicts nicely with zypp backend. | 16:03 |
sebas | doing that now, but it might end up a bit too big to backport | 16:04 |
sebas | thing is, I haven't seen this conflict before, wonder why not | 16:04 |
sledges | Sage, I added pkgmgr=yum | 16:04 |
Sage | sledges: can I see the log of that just for fun of it? :) | 16:04 |
sledges | Sage, sure: http://pastebin.com/SS0rzmEv | 16:07 |
Sage | sledges: you are intentionally using vgrade's branch repos and not the official ones? | 16:11 |
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sledges | Sage: could you please point to official repo URI ? I have seemed to failed in finding an official one: http://pastebin.com/gWahEdzm | 16:13 |
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Sage | so you need to get proper repo from CE:MW:Shared, CE:MW:PlasmaActive and Project:KDE:Devel at least and remove those branches from vgrade | 16:15 |
Sage | I though there was more official plasmaactive .ks file available already | 16:15 |
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Sage | sledges: hopefully you find the repos. I need to go now, will help you later if you are still here and need help when I come back. | 16:21 |
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sledges | thank you Sage, I am in search for repos at the moment, the future is dim :) I'll be around for another hour, maybe will connect from home to appreciate your time here, thanks for it now! | 16:21 |
vgrade | sledges, what device are you buiding for? | 16:22 |
vgrade | what ux? | 16:24 |
vgrade | http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/ | 16:24 |
vgrade | latest kickstarts here | 16:24 |
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sledges | vgrade: i.MX53, kde-plasma (implies tablet UX) | 16:25 |
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vgrade | http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_arm_install_archive/archos-generation-9/2011-12-16-17-25-basyskom-plasma-active-testing-mer-armv7l-archos-gen9-mmcblk1p-raw.ks | 16:28 |
sledges | plasma active; vgrade that link is a golden vein, x100 thanks, now let's see if I'll get the .../powermanagementservice.operations conflict breakage still .. (which we are on about in #active and sebas is merging git branches, so might break even on recent repos) | 16:28 |
* sledges building | 16:28 | |
vgrade | is the nearest kickstart for Plasma Active on i.MX | 16:28 |
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vgrade | sledges, how does your device boot? uImage, zimage in first partition, rootfs in second? | 16:30 |
sledges | vgrade, on boot partition: boot.scr MLO u-boot.bin uImage | 16:31 |
sledges | which is the first partition | 16:31 |
vgrade | ok the g9 image will give you 2 parts, you can put your uboot stuff on there | 16:32 |
vgrade | on the first vfat part | 16:33 |
vgrade | what kernel version are you on? | 16:33 |
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sledges | 2.6.35.3 | 16:35 |
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sledges | build so far so error-free, thank you vgrade, you are like Phoenix ;) | 16:40 |
sledges | out of ashes | 16:41 |
sledges | for the buzz words: what do acronyms CE and MW means (as well as PA2) in Mer & Co. world? | 16:47 |
Stskeeps | CE is Community Edition, what is now known as Nemo | 16:48 |
Stskeeps | MW is middleware | 16:48 |
Stskeeps | PA2 is plasma active | 16:48 |
Stskeeps | 2 | 16:48 |
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sledges | lovely, thanks Stskeeps ! that explains the file-naming: http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/KDE:/Trunk:/Testing/CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl/armv7hl/libkdegames-4.7.4-6.1.Nemo.MW.PlasmaActive.armv7hl.rpm seeing CE in suffixes and Nemo in the prefix | 16:53 |
vgrade | sledges, you may need some differnet kernel options to satisfy systemd, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#What_kernel_options_do_I_need_to_enable_in_my_kernel_in_case_I_do_not_use_the_official_Arch_kernel.3F | 16:53 |
sledges | ok, vgrade , no probs, got the Freescale's ltib right here | 16:53 |
vgrade | ltib? | 16:54 |
sledges | Freescale's BSP builder for its boards, including i.MXx . it does patching+handling of kernel as well. just don't look at its website, it might still be written in Comic sans... :) | 16:56 |
sledges | Linux Target Image Builder :)) | 16:56 |
vgrade | tool late | 16:57 |
vgrade | too late | 16:57 |
sledges | &) | 16:57 |
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sledges | vgrade: i.MX53 build process is U-Boot on MMC, and then it loads bootcmd_SD2=mmc read 0 ${loadaddr} 0x800 0x2000;mmc read 0 ${rd_loadaddr} 0x3000 0x300;bootm ${loadaddr} ${rd_loadaddr} | 17:16 |
sledges | kernel and initrd | 17:17 |
* Stskeeps just passed 300 succeeded packages on Mer armv7l + SB2 inside OBS | 17:17 | |
Stskeeps | out of 320 | 17:17 |
Stskeeps | this is starting to show promise :) | 17:18 |
sledges | great success, meanwhile I have just mer-image-created ~450 packages into a nice plasma-active rootfs for imx; can't wait to start tests | 17:18 |
Stskeeps | :) | 17:19 |
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w00t | meanwhile, I have pushed like 10 trivial qt5 patches today :D | 17:33 |
w00t | merge ALL the overloads | 17:33 |
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Stskeeps | vgrade: bored? | 18:09 |
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sledges | w00t, good stuff! | 19:23 |
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vgrade | Stskeeps, what you got? | 19:38 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: wanting someone to test out llvmpipe with the mer prerelease on some arm devices | 19:38 |
Stskeeps | but it seems like llvm JIT isn't working well on ARM | 19:38 |
vgrade | I was just thinking about that today actually when talking to sledges | 19:39 |
vgrade | I can do a test if you have an image or ks | 19:40 |
vgrade | or just some mesa packages to install | 19:41 |
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Stskeeps | yeah, i'm just prepping my brother and dad for trip down here tomorrow so give me a moment | 19:42 |
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vgrade | no ruhs | 19:44 |
vgrade | rush | 19:44 |
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mingwandroid | Hey | 20:19 |
Stskeeps | lo mingwandroid | 20:19 |
mingwandroid | Hows it going? | 20:19 |
mingwandroid | On hols, in the us | 20:19 |
Stskeeps | almost xmas time, i made a prerelease with the new toolchain and so far we had n810 kernel not booting | 20:19 |
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mingwandroid | Not booting? Urgh | 20:20 |
Stskeeps | probably going to do a real release after newyears once we track down issues | 20:20 |
* Sage is building image for snowball which hopefully boots to xterm | 20:21 | |
mingwandroid | If I get a chance ill try a tegra 2 build | 20:21 |
Sage | dm8tbr: ^ will release it if that boots :) | 20:21 |
Stskeeps | mingwandroid: on SB2+new toolchain side, i have 308 succeeded and 14 failed, so the new way of doing cross compilation is looking very promising | 20:21 |
Stskeeps | Sage: they fixed the licensing? | 20:21 |
Sage | Stskeeps: nah, using the generic fbdev | 20:22 |
Stskeeps | ah | 20:22 |
Sage | and hoping that it works :) | 20:22 |
Sage | I think it booted to xterm but not entirely sure and accidently erased my old images and .ks files :P | 20:22 |
mingwandroid | Findimg it a bit tricky.to get any hacking done wirhout annoyong the gf. | 20:23 |
mingwandroid | Also this irc client aucks! | 20:24 |
Stskeeps | just enjoy the holidays, postpones burnout at least 3 months | 20:25 |
mingwandroid | Might do, but tbh I enjoy it too much | 20:25 |
mingwandroid | Just figured id check in! | 20:26 |
Stskeeps | hehe :) | 20:26 |
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* Stskeeps ponders how best to mass evaluate sage's gerrit requests.. | 20:26 | |
vgrade | mingwandroid, hi mate, you over there for xmas? | 20:27 |
mingwandroid | Yeah until 4th jan so ill not do much hacking I dont think! | 20:28 |
mingwandroid | About to eat. Speak later | 20:29 |
_Thomas | http://lastgadgetstanding.com/voting/ <- Go ahead and vote for the Cotton Cand USB-stick :) | 20:29 |
vgrade | _Thomas hi | 20:29 |
_Thomas | vgrade: Hi :) | 20:30 |
vgrade | hows the launch going? | 20:31 |
_Thomas | Beyond belief :) | 20:31 |
_Thomas | Producing a batch of 500 next week | 20:31 |
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_Thomas | Pipecleaning for mass-production, certifications (FCC, CE, etc) | 20:32 |
_Thomas | still trying to find people tho, it's really hard | 20:33 |
vgrade | are those going to retail or out for press etc | 20:33 |
_Thomas | We can't do much with retail before we get CE, etc | 20:33 |
vgrade | kernel side? | 20:33 |
_Thomas | Kernel / embedded devs | 20:33 |
vgrade | probably best asking in new year | 20:34 |
_Thomas | And I've started trying to find Qt-devs too (pref with some RoR experience) | 20:34 |
Sage | Stskeeps: I'll see if I have day during my xmastime to do a new bunch ;) | 20:34 |
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vgrade | _Thomas, have a work with jukkaeklund | 20:36 |
_Thomas | Who's that, and what's he doing / done? :) | 20:36 |
vgrade | _Thomas, sec | 20:36 |
Stskeeps | more a facilitator to perhaps find more people | 20:37 |
vgrade | yes | 20:37 |
_Thomas | Ok, I've been talking to a lot of those | 20:37 |
_Thomas | none of which are capable of finding what we want | 20:37 |
vgrade | whats his group called devamo | 20:37 |
Stskeeps | he was product manager in our community edition stuff for N900, now he's 'free' and facilitating a lot of things, such as devaamo.fi | 20:37 |
Stskeeps | which has good ties to finnish tampere qt community, as an example | 20:38 |
vgrade | _Thomas, are you planning to seed any devices to oss groups before launch? | 20:39 |
_Thomas | Seed, as in give-aways? | 20:40 |
Stskeeps | or rebates, for that matter | 20:40 |
Stskeeps | though price isn't terribly high in the first place | 20:41 |
vgrade | the raspberry pi , Qt program sure created some interest from Qt people | 20:42 |
vgrade | http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program/Accepted | 20:43 |
_Thomas | Wasn't Nokia behind as a sponsor on this? | 20:44 |
Stskeeps | they are, yeah | 20:45 |
_Thomas | And Broadcom is a sponsor of the Raspberry Pi as a whole | 20:45 |
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Stskeeps | Sage: -next or not? | 20:46 |
Sage | ah, the picky sd card thing :P | 20:47 |
Sage | snowball accepts only one of my 4 sd cards :P | 20:48 |
Sage | others get mmc errors :) | 20:48 |
Sage | usd cards* | 20:48 |
_Thomas | vgrade: We've been considering a model which would ensure that people from the oss communities at least can buy from the 500 first devices | 20:48 |
Sage | Stskeeps: not the -next, sry | 20:49 |
_Thomas | vgrade: But think it's safe to say that we won't be giving any devices away, for now | 20:49 |
_Thomas | vgrade: We have considered doing some kind of contests with price money | 20:49 |
vgrade | _Thomas, a holdback of devices for comunity wold be great | 20:49 |
Stskeeps | Sage: ok, just wanted to be sure it wasn't toolchain elated | 20:50 |
_Thomas | vgrade: We thought about holding back 150 devices out of the 500 for early access from devs outside our partner program | 20:50 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: out of curiousity, what kernel version do you run on there for your ubuntu experiments? | 20:51 |
_Thomas | 3.2 | 20:51 |
vgrade | _Thomas, count Mer in for a couple | 20:51 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: ah, brilliant | 20:52 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: that should motivate a lot of people | 20:52 |
_Thomas | Stskeeps: We have to keep up with Samsung, so we'll continue to be bleeding edge when it comes to the kernel | 20:52 |
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Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:52 |
_Thomas | We already have three versions; one for android 2.3.4, one for android 4.0 and one for "linux" | 20:53 |
_Thomas | Might be a fourth version depending on a few things | 20:53 |
_Thomas | And it's a lot of work backporting from Samsung-tree | 20:53 |
vgrade | hence the need for kernel devs | 20:54 |
_Thomas | Yes | 20:54 |
Sage | ok, doesn't work even the good sd card :/ | 20:54 |
_Thomas | what kind of uSD-cards do you experience problems with? | 20:55 |
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Sage | something seems to be off on my snowball :/ | 20:59 |
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Sage | it doesn't behave as it used to | 20:59 |
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Stskeeps | Sage: everything sent for re-evaluation | 21:12 |
Stskeeps | let's see how it goes | 21:12 |
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Sage | Stskeeps: hopefully better than last time :) | 21:42 |
Sage | previous set was mainly obs errors though IIRC | 21:42 |
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