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| * dm8tbr is on a train bound for berlin... | 06:33 | |
| Stskeeps | sounds nice | 06:34 |
| Bostik | man I'd love to be there from christmas onwards and past new year (CCC) | 06:35 |
| Bostik | but can't :( | 06:35 |
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| Sage | wmarone_: yeah, I need to use %pre to generate the image, unless there's a flag for "part" that allows me to specify the starting offset of a partition | 07:29 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ^ That sound like a question about invalid u-boot or soemthing :) | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, we're trying to do standard omap3 boot, ie, without the fixed xloader | 07:29 |
| Sage | hmmp... they shouldn't need to specify offset | 07:30 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: do you do the changelog thing manually for Mer releases? | 07:37 |
| Sage | Drop openjpeg dependancy, MER#55 | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: semi-manually | 07:37 |
| Sage | ^ that changelog is in a bit odd place | 07:37 |
| Sage | packages-git/mer-core/util-linux: | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i screwed that one up :) | 07:37 |
| Sage | ah, ok :) | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's from poppler | 07:38 |
| Sage | :nod: was checking the bug as the changelog seemed to be a bit odd for util-linux :P | 07:39 |
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| Stskeeps | morn smoku :) | 09:31 |
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| * Stskeeps sighs over the discussions on the tizen mailing lists | 09:43 | |
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| Stskeeps | pohly: latest code of buteo syncml i've seen is http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/buteo-syncml/commits/master | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | pohly: though it wouldn't wonder me if they just stalled the outside development and 'forgot' to push | 09:46 |
| pohly | Stskeeps: That repo never had the Bluetooth part. And yes, it often was behind the internal code repo. | 09:47 |
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| pohly | Answering questions about Harmattan's source with "meego.gitorious.org" is not guaranteed to be the right answer :-/ | 09:48 |
| smoku | hi Stskeeps | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's a bit like a pot calling a kettle black in this case, both systems are currently closed source ;) let me just look around to see if i can find anything about the buteo bluetooth stuf | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | f | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | i can't actually find any packages on my phone called buteo so that makes life more fun | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i have 0.4.21 on my phone and 0.4.19 is latest public | 09:54 |
| pohly | Stskeeps: so there is a Buteo package? | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | there's 'libmeegosyncml' for the buteo-syncml | 09:55 |
| pohly | There should also be a package which contains the Buteo msyncd (was open source) and a Buteo sync plugin for OBEX (wasn't open source). Anyway, I don't have a N9 and my motivation to fix the Buteo source is pretty low. | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, can't blame you for that :) | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/lib/obex/plugins is empty for me, so i wonder what's going on.. | 09:58 |
| pohly | If anyone is interested in a properly supported SyncML solution which talks to SyncML servers (Buteo could in theory, but doesn't in practice) and provides OBEX service, you know where to find SyncEvolution and me :-) | 09:58 |
| pohly | Buteo Bluetooth support wasn't done via obexd. It was running inside msyncd and used libopenobex directly, as far as I know. | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah, fun | 09:59 |
| pohly | Hmm, does /usr/lib/buteo have anything? | 09:59 |
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| pohly | Or /usr/lib/sync - don't remember where Buteo plugins were installed. | 10:00 |
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| chouchoune | libawx-client libcaldav-client libcalendarfeed-client libcontran-client libevents-client libhcalendar-storage libhcontacts-changenotifier libhcontacts-storage libhnotes-storage libhsms-storage libhsyncshare-storage libmtp-server libovisyncml-client libsyncml-client libsyncml-server | 10:08 |
| chouchoune | ( pohly ) | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | pohly: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/buteo-syncml/trees/ver_11/src/transport | 10:08 |
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| pohly | chouchoune: there are quite a few client plugins of which I have never seen the source - awx, caldav, calendarfeed, contran, events, syncshare, ... | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | awx is accuweather, so not terribly interesting | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | pohly: how's the work on making EDS better for mobile usage going? | 10:11 |
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| pohly | Stskeeps: that pointer to the "ver_11" branch looks promising. I wonder when it was first pushed. It's not in my (admittedly a bit old) local copy of the repo. | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | it was pushed in june it seems | 10:14 |
| pohly | Stskeeps: Really great timing. Making this available earlier could have made a real difference - too late, we'll never know. | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | a lot of things went wrong in meego, hopefully we'll see many of them fixed in mer and perhaps tizen :) | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | right, back to hacking on SB2.. | 10:19 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: about the upower what is the case there? | 10:19 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what brings it to Mer? | 10:19 |
| Sage | it is not in our images by default thus wondering | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: standard API for reporting battery information and other power stuff | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have HAL, so.. | 10:19 |
| Sage | upower requires pm-utils that is not in Mer. And pm-utils require usermode (depends heavyly on gtk) | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind switching to contextkit for something like that | 10:20 |
| pohly | Stskeeps: All the patches that were meant to improve interaction with SyncEvolution have gone into EDS upstream. I have some more ideas for reducing D-Bus traffic, but there's no working going on at the moment. | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:21 |
| pohly | I intend to submit a talk proposal for FOSDEM where I cover the EDS changes and the current state of SyncEvolution. | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | just to fill my own gap of knowledge - how dependant is SyncEvolution on EDS as backend? | 10:22 |
| pohly | Doesn't depend on it at all. | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | that's good design then | 10:22 |
| Sage | I think usermode isn't really required by pm-utils | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: it's something about executing root commands by user. . ish | 10:23 |
| pohly | The ports for N900 and N9 both use backends for the native storages. | 10:23 |
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| pohly | backends = SyncEvolution backends, aka plugins | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | how complete was the MTP work that was published, if you know? | 10:24 |
| pohly | For Intel hardware we had to rework the MTP low-level transport considerably. It was basically ready for testing when we were done, but then work stopped. | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 10:26 |
| pohly | I don't know what the status was on ARM. Nokia must have done that in their private repo, because the public MTP hasn't seen much changes while I paid attention. | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:28 |
| * pohly lunch | 10:28 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: in Mer should these files be in the package itself or in -devel %doc NEWS COPYING AUTHORS HACKING README | 10:50 |
| Sage | COPYING maybe in package itself but rest in -devel? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | mmmm | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | check meego packaging guidelines? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | if anything is mentioned | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, as little docs in packages as possible | 10:51 |
| Sage | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines#Documentation | 10:51 |
| Sage | we probably should do images with --exclude-docs option though? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | probably yeah | 10:52 |
| Sage | umm... however that breaks licenses :) | 10:52 |
| Sage | licenses are marked with %doc usually and those are not included then | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't really, if you put them all on one place | 10:53 |
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| Sage | veskuh: upower 0.9.15 available | 11:00 |
| Sage | veskuh: only regression that might be there is https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16455 | 11:00 |
| Sage | that I know of that is | 11:01 |
| Sage | cobs is slow :/ | 11:03 |
| Sage | can't get logs before pacakge build is ready | 11:03 |
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| veskuh | Sage: charging indicator does not work with newer one. | 11:05 |
| Sage | :/ | 11:05 |
| Sage | so something has changed in the api's in past 1.5years :/ | 11:06 |
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| veskuh | Sage: dmesg: <12>upowerd[711]: GLIB WARNING ** UPower-Linux - unknown status string: | 11:08 |
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| alterego | w00t: what do you use to build lipstick? Repositories that is? | 11:10 |
| alterego | I'm missing mlite | 11:10 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65 | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: out of morbid curiousity, how much storage do you usually carry on your hospital terminals? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | just pondering what is usual deployment | 11:22 |
| slaine | 0 | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | zero? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | all net boot? | 11:22 |
| slaine | All netboot | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 11:22 |
| slaine | managed central UX on the server | 11:22 |
| slaine | hardware watchdog catches network outages | 11:23 |
| slaine | We do ship with HDD's for some clients for Live TV pause buffers | 11:23 |
| slaine | but that's generally geared towards price, what ever's cheapest mass storage for the device, at order time. | 11:23 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_i586=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repo_Mer_Core-next_i586=1 | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | urg | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | h | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | what the hell.. | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | but arm is ok? | 11:27 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repo_Mer_Core-next_armv7l=1 | 11:27 |
| Sage | armv7el same | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | this is not my day.. | 11:27 |
| * Sage added Stskeeps to CE project in COBS as maintainer ;) | 11:27 | |
| Sage | you can click the rebuilds ;) | 11:27 |
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| andre__ | whou. tizen mailinglist for the last days has been like a cheap bad movie which is still watchable when having enough drinks and popcorn. | 11:44 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we're at the tolkien book marathon now | 11:44 |
| alterego | I haven't subscribed to Tizen ML ... Is it interesting? | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | not terribly | 11:45 |
| alterego | I probably wont subscribe now then :) | 11:45 |
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| andre__ | not interesting at all. | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, one good thing: connman is in use in tizen | 11:48 |
| andre__ | read the archives in case you're bored. | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | which means we have a central component that's maintained | 11:48 |
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| andre__ | I really appreciate that Raster at least talks to people. compared to anybody else in tizen. | 11:48 |
| alterego | Not to rub it in Stskeeps: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/photos/2011-12-19-1001.jpg | 11:48 |
| alterego | :P | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: meh, i work in the machine room | 11:49 |
| alterego | Hah | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | also, i get paid, which is better | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:49 |
| alterego | Now I have a "backup" N9, I can start doing Mer on N9 :) | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:52 |
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| alterego | And it's a blue one | 11:59 |
| alterego | Which is very Mer :P | 11:59 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: they touched the b2r2lib again 5hours ago but still no license fixes :/ | 12:21 |
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| Stskeepz | freenode-- | 12:47 |
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| alterego | Heh | 12:48 |
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| Stskeepz | Sage: looks much better now (CE:MW:Shared) | 12:50 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: :nod: | 12:52 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: need to fix that maliit to get rest of the stuff tested | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:52 |
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| * Sage does branch. | 12:53 | |
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| Sage | hmmp... I wonder if those should be actually in Requires field | 12:54 |
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| Stskeeps | alien_: did my mail clear up some things? | 13:15 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: newer toolchain solves compile problem with phonon btw. https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=phonon&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:02 |
| Sage | khttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=maliit-framework&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core_i586 | 14:04 |
| Sage | I wonder where those files should go then? | 14:04 |
| Sage | /usr/share/doc/ isn't good place for binaries that is true, but those are examples | 14:05 |
| smoku | -examples package for one :) | 14:07 |
| Sage | well, not sure how the -sdk package is used | 14:07 |
| * Sage adds rpmlintrc file to ignore those for now | 14:07 | |
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| * araujo looks in | 14:09 | |
| araujo | Sage, I check it out now | 14:09 |
| araujo | and also, that error shouldn't be happening there | 14:09 |
| Sage | araujo: I have already fixes cooking :) | 14:10 |
| araujo | the thing is ... that that should be fixed already upstream :P | 14:10 |
| Sage | araujo: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=maliit-framework&oproject=CE%3AMW%3AShared&package=maliit-framework&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&rev=3 | 14:10 |
| Sage | ah | 14:10 |
| * araujo checks | 14:10 | |
| Sage | well, I need that in ASAP so we get the mer-next tested for compiles | 14:11 |
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| berndhs | morning | 14:13 |
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| araujo | Sage, ok, I got an idea what it is happening, though this might require some changes upstreams, go 1) disabling the sdk, or 2) ignoring those files for now | 14:25 |
| araujo | Sage, we will get new release soon | 14:25 |
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| Sage | araujo: I'll send my patch in for now then | 14:26 |
| araujo | Sage, yes | 14:27 |
| Sage | araujo: btw, the armv6l compile problem is solved with the next mer release as well | 14:28 |
| araujo | \o/ | 14:28 |
| araujo | nice | 14:28 |
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| Sage | yes, I think so too we can get rid of the boss.conf :) | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo fw190, how is it going? | 14:47 |
| fw190 | hello | 14:47 |
| fw190 | was thinking if ypu plan to promote mer | 14:47 |
| fw190 | on websites and so on or is it too soon | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | too soon, i do plan 'some' kind of launch though | 14:48 |
| fw190 | if so I run my own site, maybe the top place will be to high but I could put a banner for Mer | 14:48 |
| fw190 | it's not connected to mobile and linux but still | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | i think we'll be doing badges and that kind of stuff, ie, "powered by Mer" etc | 14:49 |
| fw190 | give me a signa and no problem | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:49 |
| fw190 | as for mer and nemomobile I still wait for some progress in uboot for kp | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | what talents do you have, out of curiousity/things you're good at? | 14:52 |
| fw190 | I'm a historian curentli I work on my PhD at AM University I also write articles for polish aviatio magazines and run infolotnicze.pl ;) on which I will promote Mer ;p | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | in flight entertainment could be nice ;) | 14:54 |
| fw190 | hahaha yep you are right on that | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morn sledges | 15:38 |
| sledges | greetings Stskeeps :) 've been actually working through the first part of day | 15:39 |
| sledges | suffering with congatec IVI, and that's what brings me here (i.e. #meego to be more precise, hope to find people who worked with congatec-IVI there..) | 15:40 |
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| araujo | mmm | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 16:32 |
| araujo | Sage, mer_core armv6l still failing for me .... | 16:32 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, o/ | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | try to use the Core-next as said on mer-general prerelease | 16:33 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, yes, core-next works fine | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 16:33 |
| araujo | so, that is enough? | 16:33 |
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| Sage | araujo: yes that is enough | 16:37 |
| araujo | Sage, ok | 16:39 |
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| wmarone__ | Sage: the problem I have noticed is that the u-boot/xloader on the SD card will not load from an image created by mic. It will load if I create an sd-card partition layout with the Angstrom OMAP3 script. said script plays with the CHS values, and puts a boot parition at sector 63. when populated with xloader, u-boot, a kernel, and a uRamdisk, it will boot. | 19:37 |
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| Sage | wmarone__: you need to fix your x-loader | 19:48 |
| Sage | wmarone__: if x-loader works when done with 63 sectors it needs a fix that removes the hardcoded values | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mercore3.png | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | while the edges can get a bit confusing, it does show some nice connections | 19:55 |
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| Sage | I liked the previous one better | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think it makes more sense if we group it | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | like, assign some parts to groups | 19:59 |
| Sage | wmarone__: just can't find the patch for x-loader that fixes that | 20:03 |
| Sage | wmarone__: search 63 from your x-loader code | 20:04 |
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| Sage | wmarone__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-image-tools/+bug/626907/comments/14 | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. we need some better tools | 20:24 |
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