Monday, 2011-12-19

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* dm8tbr is on a train bound for berlin...06:33
Stskeepssounds nice06:34
Bostikman I'd love to be there from christmas onwards and past new year (CCC)06:35
Bostikbut can't :(06:35
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* dm8tbr won't make it to this years C3 either :(06:40
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Sagewmarone_: yeah, I need to use %pre to generate the image, unless there's a flag for "part" that allows me to specify the starting offset of a partition07:29
SageStskeeps: ^ That sound like a question about invalid u-boot or soemthing :)07:29
Stskeepswell, we're trying to do standard omap3 boot, ie, without the fixed xloader07:29
Sagehmmp... they shouldn't need to specify offset07:30
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SageStskeeps: do you do the changelog thing manually for Mer releases?07:37
Sage    Drop openjpeg dependancy, MER#5507:37
StskeepsSage: semi-manually07:37
Sage^ that changelog is in a bit odd place07:37
Sagepackages-git/mer-core/util-linux:07:37
Stskeepsyes, i screwed that one up :)07:37
Sageah, ok :)07:37
Stskeepsit's from poppler07:38
Sage:nod: was checking the bug as the changelog seemed to be a bit odd for util-linux :P07:39
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Stskeepsmorn smoku :)09:31
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* Stskeeps sighs over the discussions on the tizen mailing lists09:43
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Stskeepspohly: latest code of buteo syncml i've seen is http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/buteo-syncml/commits/master09:46
Stskeepspohly: though it wouldn't wonder me if they just stalled the outside development and 'forgot' to push09:46
pohlyStskeeps: That repo never had the Bluetooth part. And yes, it often was behind the internal code repo.09:47
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pohlyAnswering questions about Harmattan's source with "meego.gitorious.org" is not guaranteed to be the right answer :-/09:48
smokuhi Stskeeps09:49
Stskeepswell, it's a bit like a pot calling a kettle black in this case, both systems are currently closed source ;) let me just look around to see if i can find anything about the buteo bluetooth stuf09:49
Stskeepsf09:49
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Stskeepsi can't actually find any packages on my phone called buteo so that makes life more fun09:51
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Stskeepsyeah, i have 0.4.21 on my phone and 0.4.19 is latest public09:54
pohlyStskeeps: so there is a Buteo package?09:54
Stskeepsthere's 'libmeegosyncml' for the buteo-syncml09:55
pohlyThere should also be a package which contains the Buteo msyncd (was open source) and a Buteo sync plugin for OBEX (wasn't open source). Anyway, I don't have a N9 and my motivation to fix the Buteo source is pretty low.09:56
Stskeepsyeah, can't blame you for that :)09:57
Stskeeps /usr/lib/obex/plugins is empty for me, so i wonder what's going on..09:58
pohlyIf anyone is interested in a properly supported SyncML solution which talks to SyncML servers (Buteo could in theory, but doesn't in practice) and provides OBEX service, you know where to find SyncEvolution and me :-)09:58
pohlyButeo Bluetooth support wasn't done via obexd. It was running inside msyncd and used libopenobex directly, as far as I know.09:58
Stskeepsah, fun09:59
pohlyHmm, does /usr/lib/buteo have anything?09:59
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pohlyOr /usr/lib/sync - don't remember where Buteo plugins were installed.10:00
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chouchounelibawx-client libcaldav-client libcalendarfeed-client libcontran-client libevents-client libhcalendar-storage libhcontacts-changenotifier libhcontacts-storage libhnotes-storage libhsms-storage libhsyncshare-storage libmtp-server libovisyncml-client libsyncml-client libsyncml-server10:08
chouchoune( pohly )10:08
Stskeepspohly: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/buteo-syncml/trees/ver_11/src/transport10:08
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pohlychouchoune: there are quite a few client plugins of which I have never seen the source - awx, caldav, calendarfeed, contran, events, syncshare, ...10:10
Stskeepsawx is accuweather, so not terribly interesting10:11
Stskeepspohly: how's the work on making EDS better for mobile usage going?10:11
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pohlyStskeeps: that pointer to the "ver_11" branch looks promising. I wonder when it was first pushed. It's not in my (admittedly a bit old) local copy of the repo.10:14
Stskeeps:nod:10:14
Stskeepsit was pushed in june it seems10:14
pohlyStskeeps: Really great timing. Making this available earlier could have made a real difference - too late, we'll never know.10:16
Stskeepsyeah..10:17
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Stskeepsa lot of things went wrong in meego, hopefully we'll see many of them fixed in mer and perhaps tizen :)10:18
Stskeepsright, back to hacking on SB2..10:19
SageStskeeps: about the upower what is the case there?10:19
SageStskeeps: what brings it to Mer?10:19
Sageit is not in our images by default thus wondering10:19
StskeepsSage: standard API for reporting battery information and other power stuff10:19
Stskeepswe don't have HAL, so..10:19
Sageupower requires pm-utils that is not in Mer. And pm-utils require usermode (depends heavyly on gtk)10:20
Stskeeps:nod:10:20
Stskeepsi wouldn't mind switching to contextkit for something like that10:20
pohlyStskeeps: All the patches that were meant to improve interaction with SyncEvolution have gone into EDS upstream. I have some more ideas for reducing D-Bus traffic, but there's no working going on at the moment.10:21
Stskeeps:nod:10:21
pohlyI intend to submit a talk proposal for FOSDEM where I cover the EDS changes and the current state of SyncEvolution.10:22
Stskeepsjust to fill my own gap of knowledge - how dependant is SyncEvolution on EDS as backend?10:22
pohlyDoesn't depend on it at all.10:22
Stskeepsthat's good design then10:22
SageI think usermode isn't really required by pm-utils10:22
StskeepsSage: it's something about executing root commands by user. . ish10:23
pohlyThe ports for N900 and N9 both use backends for the native storages.10:23
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pohlybackends = SyncEvolution backends, aka plugins10:23
Stskeeps:nod:10:23
Stskeepshow complete was the MTP work that was published, if you know?10:24
pohlyFor Intel hardware we had to rework the MTP low-level transport considerably. It was basically ready for testing when we were done, but then work stopped.10:26
Stskeepsmakes sense10:26
pohlyI don't know what the status was on ARM. Nokia must have done that in their private repo, because the public MTP hasn't seen much changes while I paid attention.10:28
Stskeeps:nod:10:28
* pohly lunch10:28
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SageStskeeps: in Mer should these files be in the package itself or in -devel %doc NEWS COPYING AUTHORS HACKING README10:50
SageCOPYING maybe in package itself but rest in -devel?10:50
Stskeepsmmmm10:50
Stskeepscheck meego packaging guidelines?10:50
Stskeepsif anything is mentioned10:51
Stskeepsbut yeah, as little docs in packages as possible10:51
Sagehttp://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines#Documentation10:51
Sagewe probably should do images with --exclude-docs option though?10:52
Stskeepsprobably yeah10:52
Sageumm... however that breaks licenses :)10:52
Sagelicenses are marked with %doc usually and those are not included then10:53
Stskeepsdoesn't really, if you put them all on one place10:53
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Sageveskuh: upower 0.9.15 available11:00
Sageveskuh: only regression that might be there is https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1645511:00
Sagethat I know of that is11:01
Sagecobs is slow :/11:03
Sagecan't get logs before pacakge build is ready11:03
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veskuhSage: charging indicator does not work with newer one.11:05
Sage:/11:05
Sageso something has changed in the api's in past 1.5years :/11:06
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veskuhSage: dmesg: <12>upowerd[711]: GLIB WARNING ** UPower-Linux - unknown status string:11:08
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alteregow00t: what do you use to build lipstick? Repositories that is?11:10
alteregoI'm missing mlite11:10
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SageStskeeps: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6511:20
Stskeepsthanks11:21
Stskeepsslaine: out of morbid curiousity, how much storage do you usually carry on your hospital terminals?11:22
Stskeepsjust pondering what is usual deployment11:22
slaine011:22
Stskeepszero?11:22
Stskeepsall net boot?11:22
slaineAll netboot11:22
Stskeepsinteresting11:22
slainemanaged central UX on the server11:22
slainehardware watchdog catches network outages11:23
slaineWe do ship with HDD's for some clients for Live TV pause buffers11:23
slainebut that's generally geared towards price, what ever's cheapest mass storage for the device, at order time.11:23
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SageStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_i586=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repo_Mer_Core-next_i586=111:26
Stskeepsurg11:26
Stskeepsh11:26
Stskeepswhat the hell..11:26
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Stskeepsbut arm is ok?11:27
Sagehttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repo_Mer_Core-next_armv7l=111:27
Sagearmv7el same11:27
Stskeepsthis is not my day..11:27
* Sage added Stskeeps to CE project in COBS as maintainer ;)11:27
Sageyou can click the rebuilds ;)11:27
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andre__whou. tizen mailinglist for the last days has been like a cheap bad movie which is still watchable when having enough drinks and popcorn.11:44
alteregoHeh11:44
Stskeepsyes, we're at the tolkien book marathon now11:44
alteregoI haven't subscribed to Tizen ML ... Is it interesting?11:44
Stskeepsnot terribly11:45
alteregoI probably wont subscribe now then :)11:45
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andre__not interesting at all.11:48
Stskeepswell, one good thing: connman is in use in tizen11:48
andre__read the archives in case you're bored.11:48
Stskeepswhich means we have a central component that's maintained11:48
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andre__I really appreciate that Raster at least talks to people. compared to anybody else in tizen.11:48
alteregoNot to rub it in Stskeeps: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/photos/2011-12-19-1001.jpg11:48
alterego:P11:48
Stskeepsalterego: meh, i work in the machine room11:49
alteregoHah11:49
Stskeepsalso, i get paid, which is better11:49
Stskeeps:P11:49
alteregoNow I have a "backup" N9, I can start doing Mer on N9 :)11:51
Stskeeps:nod:11:52
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alteregoAnd it's a blue one11:59
alteregoWhich is very Mer :P11:59
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Sagedm8tbr: they touched the b2r2lib again 5hours ago but still no license fixes :/12:21
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Stskeepzfreenode--12:47
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alteregoHeh12:48
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StskeepzSage: looks much better now (CE:MW:Shared)12:50
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SageStskeeps: :nod:12:52
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SageStskeeps: need to fix that maliit to get rest of the stuff tested12:52
Stskeepsyeah12:52
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* Sage does branch.12:53
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Sagehmmp... I wonder if those should be actually in Requires field12:54
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Stskeepsalien_: did my mail clear up some things?13:15
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SageStskeeps: newer toolchain solves compile problem with phonon btw. https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=phonon&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared14:01
Stskeepsok14:02
Sagekhttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=maliit-framework&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core_i58614:04
SageI wonder where those files should go then?14:04
Sage/usr/share/doc/ isn't good place for binaries that is true, but those are examples14:05
smoku-examples package for one :)14:07
Sagewell, not sure how the -sdk package is used14:07
* Sage adds rpmlintrc file to ignore those for now14:07
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* araujo looks in14:09
araujoSage, I check it out now14:09
araujoand also, that error shouldn't be happening there14:09
Sagearaujo: I have already fixes cooking :)14:10
araujothe thing is ... that that should be fixed already upstream :P14:10
Sagearaujo: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=maliit-framework&oproject=CE%3AMW%3AShared&package=maliit-framework&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&rev=314:10
Sageah14:10
* araujo checks14:10
Sagewell, I need that in ASAP so we get the mer-next tested for compiles14:11
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araujoSage, ok, I got an idea what it is happening, though this might require some changes upstreams, go 1) disabling the sdk, or 2) ignoring those files for now14:25
araujoSage, we will get new release soon14:25
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Sagearaujo: I'll send my patch in for now then14:26
araujoSage, yes14:27
Sagearaujo: btw, the armv6l compile problem is solved with the next mer release as well14:28
araujo\o/14:28
araujonice14:28
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Sageyes, I think so too we can get rid of the boss.conf :)14:30
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Stskeeps'lo fw190, how is it going?14:47
fw190hello14:47
fw190was thinking if ypu plan to promote mer14:47
fw190on websites and so on or is it too soon14:48
Stskeepstoo soon, i do plan 'some' kind of launch though14:48
fw190if so I run my own site, maybe the top place will be to high but I could put a banner for Mer14:48
fw190it's not connected to mobile and linux but still14:49
Stskeepsi think we'll be doing badges and that kind of stuff, ie, "powered by Mer" etc14:49
fw190give me a signa and no problem14:49
Stskeeps:nod:14:49
fw190as for mer and nemomobile I still wait for some progress in uboot for kp14:50
Stskeepswhat talents do you have, out of curiousity/things you're good at?14:52
fw190I'm a historian curentli I work on my PhD at AM University I also write articles for polish aviatio magazines and run infolotnicze.pl ;) on which I will promote Mer ;p14:54
Stskeeps:nod:14:54
Stskeepsin flight entertainment could be nice ;)14:54
fw190hahaha yep you are right on that14:55
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Stskeepsmorn sledges15:38
sledgesgreetings Stskeeps :) 've been actually working through the first part of day15:39
sledgessuffering with congatec IVI, and that's what brings me here (i.e. #meego to be more precise, hope to find people who worked with congatec-IVI there..)15:40
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araujommm16:32
Stskeepsmm?16:32
araujoSage, mer_core armv6l still failing for me ....16:32
araujoStskeeps, o/16:32
Stskeepstry to use the Core-next as said on mer-general prerelease16:33
araujoStskeeps, yes, core-next works fine16:33
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Stskeepsok16:33
araujoso, that is enough?16:33
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Sagearaujo: yes that is enough16:37
araujoSage, ok16:39
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wmarone__Sage: the problem I have noticed is that the u-boot/xloader on the SD card will not load from an image created by mic. It will load if I create an sd-card partition layout with the Angstrom OMAP3 script. said script plays with the CHS values, and puts a boot parition at sector 63. when populated with xloader, u-boot, a kernel, and a uRamdisk, it will boot.19:37
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Sagewmarone__: you need to fix your x-loader19:48
Sagewmarone__: if x-loader works when done with 63 sectors it needs a fix that removes the hardcoded values19:49
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Stskeepshttp://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mercore3.png19:55
Stskeepswhile the edges can get a bit confusing, it does show some nice connections19:55
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SageI liked the previous one better19:58
Stskeepsyeah, i think it makes more sense if we group it19:59
Stskeepslike, assign some parts to groups19:59
Sagewmarone__: just can't find the patch for x-loader that fixes that20:03
Sagewmarone__: search 63 from your x-loader code20:04
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Sagewmarone__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-image-tools/+bug/626907/comments/1420:05
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Stskeepsyeah.. we need some better tools20:24
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