| vgrade1 | to get anyting running with Mer/Nemo you need to be able to get a custom kernel booted | 00:01 |
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| vgrade1 | do you have kernel source? | 00:01 |
| Crnkoj | we do | 00:01 |
| Crnkoj | but for 2.6.32.9 | 00:01 |
| Crnkoj | can be patched to .48 | 00:02 |
| Crnkoj | and yes one can put custom kernels on it | 00:02 |
| vgrade1 | how ? | 00:02 |
| Crnkoj | flash | 00:02 |
| Crnkoj | with cwm recovery | 00:02 |
| Crnkoj | like in a boot.img format | 00:02 |
| Crnkoj | it must have ramdisk and kernel combined | 00:02 |
| vgrade1 | ok good | 00:03 |
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| Crnkoj | well actually its possible to fastboot flash it too -> means to boot into a special bootloader mode that allows flashing stuff to the phone over usb from pc | 00:03 |
| vgrade1 | yea, does it have sdcard | 00:03 |
| Crnkoj | yes sdcard and internal | 00:04 |
| Crnkoj | internal around 11gb sdcard up to 32gb | 00:04 |
| Crnkoj | but cannot boot from sdcard | 00:04 |
| Crnkoj | its not doable | 00:04 |
| vgrade1 | how so not bootable from sd | 00:04 |
| Crnkoj | bootloader is made like that | 00:05 |
| Crnkoj | and the bootloader is signed adn there is no SBK for the phone so cannot flash own bootloader, only motorola ones | 00:05 |
| Crnkoj | and it doesnt take well to repartition teh emmc/internal sd | 00:05 |
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| Crnkoj | vgrade1hmm ok my bad, it appears it is not that hard to change where it boots from | 00:07 |
| Crnkoj | somone just mentioned somone else told him its doable to change where it boots from | 00:07 |
| vgrade1 | so using fastboot -c "root=/dev/mmcblk0 ...." zImage does not work | 00:07 |
| Crnkoj | honestly i have not tried that yet | 00:08 |
| vgrade1 | if it does then we can do something here | 00:08 |
| Crnkoj | i see | 00:08 |
| * IanWizard-Cloud likes 3.0, shiny :) | 00:08 | |
| Crnkoj | let me ask around now | 00:08 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | *linux 3.0 | 00:08 |
| Crnkoj | hmm apparently even dualboot is possible | 00:08 |
| vgrade1 | on the meego tegra2 page there is a sub page for my initial bringup on advent vega | 00:08 |
| Crnkoj | but the guyu who has it working isnt online now | 00:09 |
| Crnkoj | i see | 00:09 |
| Crnkoj | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 00:09 |
| Crnkoj | this i guess ? | 00:09 |
| vgrade1 | there is a subpage | 00:09 |
| vgrade1 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2/Notes | 00:09 |
| Crnkoj | oh yes massive :) | 00:09 |
| vgrade1 | gives my lab notes on bringup on vega | 00:10 |
| vgrade1 | I build boot.img's but flashboot works just as well | 00:10 |
| vgrade1 | pull the kernel commandline from your android build | 00:10 |
| vgrade1 | extract a boot.img | 00:11 |
| vgrade1 | pull kernel and initrd apart | 00:11 |
| Crnkoj | aha | 00:11 |
| vgrade1 | trick is to remove the init from the initrd and get the right mmcblkxpx for the sdacrd | 00:12 |
| Crnkoj | oh | 00:12 |
| vgrade1 | write a filesystem to sdcard and away you go :) | 00:12 |
| Crnkoj | ok im not that advanced with the stuff so let me recap this adn you say if i got it right, k? | 00:13 |
| vgrade1 | k | 00:14 |
| Crnkoj | i take teh android boot.img crack it open with one of those tools (forgot the name now), edit the initrd so that it makes it boot from external sdcard, combine back kernel + initrd with that tool and fastboot flash it to the phone? | 00:14 |
| vgrade1 | sorry there are two methods which I've mot explained propoerly | 00:15 |
| vgrade1 | sec | 00:15 |
| Crnkoj | ok | 00:16 |
| Crnkoj | so my udnerstanding was bad :) | 00:16 |
| vgrade1 | 1. nvflash method. cracks open boot.img, edits initrd to remove init program. Uses tool to put kernel, initrd and commandline back to a boot.img. flashed with nvflash. Not sure if atrix has this | 00:17 |
| Crnkoj | no | 00:17 |
| Crnkoj | we cannot nvflash | 00:17 |
| Crnkoj | we dont have the SBK | 00:17 |
| Crnkoj | we can fastboot flash or recovery flash | 00:18 |
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| vgrade1 | 2. flashboot method. crack open boot.img as before, edit inird to remove init program. Use flashboot command which takes kernel, commandline and initrd as input | 00:18 |
| Crnkoj | oh like this fastboot -c "root=/dev/mmcblk0 ...." zImage ? | 00:18 |
| vgrade1 | yea and initrd.gz | 00:19 |
| Crnkoj | mhm | 00:19 |
| Crnkoj | thank you very much man | 00:19 |
| Crnkoj | i see ill ahve to read a bit more about this | 00:19 |
| Crnkoj | and get my phone from warranty first aswell :D | 00:19 |
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| vgrade1 | np, you will run into issues with gfx, wifi, touchscreen etc | 00:20 |
| Crnkoj | anyhow | 00:20 |
| Crnkoj | i know | 00:20 |
| Crnkoj | but the kernel you said | 00:20 |
| Crnkoj | should i jsut try with the android kernel at first ? | 00:20 |
| vgrade1 | my workflow was to just unpack boot.img, do nothing with it then flashboot it back | 00:21 |
| vgrade1 | then you can validate the method | 00:21 |
| Crnkoj | hmm | 00:21 |
| vgrade1 | then you can then start making changes to the commandline and initrd | 00:22 |
| Crnkoj | what about the system that i woudl flash to the sdcard than? i do have to compile it myself right ? or could i use some package for the first try ? | 00:22 |
| vgrade1 | sec for link | 00:24 |
| Crnkoj | ok | 00:24 |
| vgrade1 | http://images.formeego.org/tegra2/ try the mer core image from that dir. bzunzip2 and dd to sdcard | 00:25 |
| Crnkoj | thanks | 00:25 |
| Crnkoj | you are of geat help | 00:25 |
| Crnkoj | :) | 00:25 |
| Crnkoj | great | 00:26 |
| vgrade1 | it should boot to qmlviewer | 00:26 |
| Crnkoj | probably it owuld take me a month to figure as much on myself | 00:26 |
| Crnkoj | qmlviewer ? | 00:26 |
| vgrade1 | a Qt QML viewer program. Its a basic stripped down image of Mer | 00:27 |
| Crnkoj | cool | 00:28 |
| Crnkoj | and i have usb access to it | 00:28 |
| Crnkoj | for like ssh | 00:28 |
| Crnkoj | ? | 00:28 |
| vgrade1 | could I ask in return you update http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Community_Workspace with your findings | 00:28 |
| Crnkoj | sure i will | 00:28 |
| Crnkoj | gladly | 00:28 |
| Crnkoj | but i need to get my phone first :) | 00:28 |
| Crnkoj | you are on here more ? what timezon ? i will probably need more advice :) | 00:29 |
| Crnkoj | once i start working on it | 00:29 |
| vgrade1 | GMT | 00:29 |
| Crnkoj | so UK | 00:30 |
| Crnkoj | or osmething like that | 00:30 |
| Crnkoj | cool | 00:30 |
| vgrade1 | yup | 00:30 |
| Crnkoj | mhm cant wait till i get the phone back :D | 00:30 |
| vgrade1 | you can get adb access over usb or if ou get wifi over the air | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | and in the kernel as you said to edit the commandline, i only have to make it boot from sdcard no other changes (at least for the first try) ? | 00:31 |
| vgrade1 | what wifi chip does it have? | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | broadcom | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | brcm4329 | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | if i dont mistaken | 00:31 |
| vgrade1 | ok look for some linux driver source for that also | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Teardown/4964/2 | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | yes | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | thats the chip | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | it for bt aswell | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | ye | 00:31 |
| Crnkoj | wait how do i have adb on meego ? | 00:32 |
| Crnkoj | i though adb is an android debug bridge | 00:32 |
| Crnkoj | as the name states | 00:32 |
| Crnkoj | :) | 00:32 |
| vgrade1 | no you just run the adbd process | 00:32 |
| vgrade1 | its just linux after all | 00:32 |
| Crnkoj | oh true | 00:32 |
| Crnkoj | but the adb daemon is it in the core image you gave me the link to ? | 00:33 |
| vgrade1 | no but you can add it easily | 00:33 |
| Crnkoj | oh ye | 00:33 |
| Crnkoj | just copy over to the sdcard | 00:33 |
| Crnkoj | after dding | 00:33 |
| Crnkoj | :) | 00:33 |
| Crnkoj | oh is that a .img file once unzipped? | 00:34 |
| vgrade1 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird | 00:34 |
| Crnkoj | what size its made to | 00:34 |
| Crnkoj | the img | 00:34 |
| vgrade1 | probably get it on a 1/2 GB | 00:34 |
| Crnkoj | ah ok | 00:34 |
| Crnkoj | had a 16gb in mind :D | 00:34 |
| Crnkoj | or at least 8gb | 00:34 |
| vgrade1 | leave those for later, device adaptation is hard, I've lost a couple of 16GB | 00:35 |
| vgrade1 | not funny | 00:35 |
| Crnkoj | ow lol | 00:35 |
| Crnkoj | how | 00:35 |
| Crnkoj | it has 10 year warranty | 00:35 |
| Crnkoj | ill just send it back | 00:35 |
| Crnkoj | hehehehe | 00:35 |
| Crnkoj | :D | 00:35 |
| Crnkoj | by dding a thousand times ? | 00:35 |
| vgrade1 | no idea, probably faulty anyway | 00:35 |
| Crnkoj | oh btw i have a nook color aswell | 00:36 |
| Crnkoj | was thinkign on getting it ont ehre too | 00:36 |
| Crnkoj | (meego/mer that is) | 00:36 |
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| vgrade1 | guys are working nook | 00:36 |
| Crnkoj | btw hows the performance of mer on the tegra2 devices ? | 00:36 |
| Crnkoj | ye i saw but thers not much to get excited about | 00:36 |
| vgrade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEjLMYXxN9Y | 00:37 |
| Crnkoj | seems to work pretty nice | 00:37 |
| vgrade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFbWDXTqLk | 00:38 |
| Crnkoj | n950 seems more fluid ^ ^ | 00:39 |
| Crnkoj | hmm | 00:39 |
| Crnkoj | hows the missing neon instruction set influencing the tegra2 performance on mer ? | 00:39 |
| Crnkoj | great great | 00:40 |
| Crnkoj | i will try that within 10 days | 00:40 |
| Crnkoj | and will come to bug you more | 00:40 |
| Crnkoj | :) | 00:40 |
| Crnkoj | eventually i will ahve to compile my own build i guess ? | 00:41 |
| Crnkoj | btw for the drivers (lets say the wifi and so on ) can i pull the binarys from the phones android os and htan use them with mer or do i need source code and compiled speicfically than ? | 00:41 |
| vgrade1 | see the tegra2 wiki page | 00:42 |
| Crnkoj | ok will read it once more :D | 00:42 |
| Crnkoj | thanks man | 00:42 |
| Crnkoj | im off now | 00:42 |
| Crnkoj | its almsot 2 am here | 00:42 |
| Crnkoj | gn | 00:42 |
| vgrade1 | android uses their own libc | 00:42 |
| vgrade1 | boinic | 00:42 |
| Crnkoj | true | 00:42 |
| Crnkoj | forgot about that | 00:42 |
| vgrade1 | not compat with linux glibc | 00:43 |
| Crnkoj | so ill have to get source and crosscompile | 00:43 |
| vgrade1 | where are you Crnkoj | 00:43 |
| Crnkoj | or if im lucky there are binary drivers for it | 00:43 |
| Crnkoj | SLovenia | 00:43 |
| Crnkoj | Slovenia | 00:43 |
| Crnkoj | gmt+1 so to say | 00:43 |
| vgrade1 | nice to meet you, gn | 00:43 |
| Crnkoj | ye you too | 00:43 |
| Crnkoj | cya | 00:43 |
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| cxl000 | morning | 06:35 |
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| Stskeeps | morn cxl000 | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | how are things? | 06:37 |
| cxl000 | It's a busy time of year. | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 06:38 |
| cxl000 | I have written enough of retutime to set system time from rtc + CAL | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'm having some trouble with armv6 and the new toolchain, but think we can solve it | 06:39 |
| cxl000 | Do you think you will solve it for this next release? | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | i don't release anything that has 'failed' anywhere :) | 06:41 |
| cxl000 | I have run some short charging tests with successful increase on battery charge | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:45 |
| cxl000 | The real test will be what happens with a full or near full battery | 06:48 |
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| dcthang | someone knows this message: MInputContext: unable to create D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/meego-im-uiserver/imserver_dbus: No such file or directory | 06:57 |
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| jonnor_work | dcthang, it can mean a couple of things. Most typically: maliit server is not running | 07:43 |
| jonnor_work | dcthang, it also means that you are using an old version of maliit-framework. Never versions support dbus activation and dynamic, per-session communication channels | 07:44 |
| dcthang | jonnor_work: thanks. I know that :) | 07:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, i will give a beer to whoever figures out why the heck qt mobility is so flaky | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | in building | 07:55 |
| * Bostik battles between the forces of temptation and revulsion | 07:55 | |
| Stskeeps | http://qtl.merproject.org/4464e670-26f1-11e1-893d-00163e6e0038.txt | 07:56 |
| Bostik | yuck - missing autogenerated class headers | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | it does it randomly | 07:59 |
| Bostik | according to build log it's certainly generated but then it's missing from install rules | 07:59 |
| Bostik | how can that be | 07:59 |
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| Bostik | only thing I can think of is that for some reason there's a freaky file-system race, because the rule which creates install targets is this: | 08:08 |
| Bostik | qtmheadersglobal.files = $${QT_MOBILITY_BUILD_TREE}/include/QtMobility/* | 08:09 |
| Bostik | so I have to assume that the glob resolves to an incomplete list | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps, due to -j4 | 08:09 |
| Bostik | CONFIG+=ordered | 08:10 |
| Bostik | now that's not fun at all | 08:10 |
| Bostik | I thought that rule would force correct order | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | this is on tmpfs btw, so it might be a lot faster than typical build processes | 08:11 |
| Bostik | oh, the rule only applies to subdirs | 08:12 |
| Bostik | *sigh* | 08:13 |
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| Sage | Info: Installing: fontconfig +++++ [ 74/475]/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1DHFSr: line 15: grep: command not found | 08:37 |
| Sage | hmmp | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | normal, i think | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | add it to requires(post) ? | 08:37 |
| Sage | ah, packaging error in mer yes | 08:38 |
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| phaeron | I would love to get mic running mer + few packages | 08:41 |
| phaeron | *on | 08:41 |
| Sage | I would love to get it working first :D | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: SB2 builds should be working now, want to re-try the instructions? | 08:48 |
| Sage | In rpm does Requires(pre) mean that for %pre scripts it requires that or that it is required before rpm is installed? | 08:50 |
| Sage | meaning if I should add the grep to Requires(post) or Requires(pre) | 08:50 |
| slaine | It means at a package level rather then in the package | 08:51 |
| phaeron | if a scriptlet needs a certain binary add it to its requires so that it gets installed before the scriptlet runs | 08:51 |
| slaine | so if you have grep in the pre, then it should install your package after the grep package has already been installed | 08:52 |
| phaeron | I can't believe that in 2011 a quad core can still be starved by IO wait .. | 08:52 |
| Sage | so what is the difference with Requires and Requires(pre) ? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: try a floppy disk | 08:52 |
| slaine | phaeron: its only gotten worse as cpu's got faster | 08:52 |
| phaeron | that is laggy by the nature of its bus | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: can stall an entire system :P | 08:53 |
| dcthang | any guide some where to flash N950 with the newest package? | 08:53 |
| phaeron | but here it's SATA to USB2 lots of ram .. ext4 to xfs .. | 08:53 |
| phaeron | I mean come on ! :D | 08:53 |
| phaeron | wasn't DMA supposed to fix this stuff .. | 08:54 |
| Sage | So what is the difference between Requires(pre) Requires(post) and Requires? | 08:54 |
| phaeron | Sage: requires will only guarantee the package is available after a transaction is done | 08:54 |
| Sage | Requires(pre) promises that it is available before package installation is done? | 08:55 |
| phaeron | pre and post guarantee existence before that transaction / operation. afaik | 08:55 |
| Sage | ok | 08:55 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/241 | 08:56 |
| phaeron | Sage: If you are going to run programs in scriptlets, they must be installed before you run them. You have to use special variants of the "Requires:" tag, so that the program will be installed before you try to use it. These are of the form "Requires(CONTEXT):", e.g., "Requires(post)". | 08:57 |
| phaeron | Sage: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CreatingPackageHowTo | 08:57 |
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| Sage | oh | 09:00 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: will fix that previous SR :) | 09:00 |
| Sage | so if I use some app in %post it needs to be in Requires(post) and if something in %pre it needs to be in Require(pre) | 09:00 |
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| phaeron | yes | 09:03 |
| * phaeron thinks about setting cpu affinity of heavy IO processes | 09:04 | |
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| Sage | ok, time to do new test run. | 09:10 |
| Sage | hmmp... what is this then http://pastie.org/3020020 | 09:13 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: seems familiar thing... recall what that is? | 09:13 |
| phaeron | are you mixing rpms built with different glibc versions ? ? | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: does it try to get x86 binaries? | 09:15 |
| Sage | that is supposed to be i586 build | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:20 |
| Sage | we don't use qemu < 0.14 anymore right? | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | we don't really no | 09:22 |
| Sage | I can just remove the bad qemu check from our .ks files instead of trying to repair it. | 09:23 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: btw, how is the PlasmaActive atm. Should it work with startactive on Mer now? | 09:24 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: umm... did you push the glib2 patch to the Mer:fake: already? | 09:24 |
| Sage | if not that is good if yes that might be bad :) | 09:25 |
| mdfe_ | Hi | 09:25 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: I got it running on mer based arm images | 09:26 |
| mdfe_ | but x86 base do still crash with secfault | 09:26 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: but sadly PA2 take really long at the first boot on arm | 09:27 |
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| alterego | veskuh: merging your code now. | 09:28 |
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| alterego | veskuh: done :) | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: no, i think that's still staged in mer side | 09:32 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: ok | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: what are you seeing? | 09:33 |
| Sage | mdfe_: ok, I'll check if that boots on my panda. | 09:33 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: just wondering that error. | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | which error | 09:33 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/3020020 | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | something goes wrong for sure there | 09:34 |
| Sage | if you applied some changes to Mer:fake and didn't publish in releases | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | not AFAIK | 09:34 |
| Sage | ok then that can be excluded | 09:34 |
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| Sage | veskuh, alterego: I'm doing the release today around 16:00 Finnish time so if you have dialer patches would be nice to get those in before that. | 09:36 |
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| alterego | veskuh: are you able to do that? | 09:50 |
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| Sage | http://pastie.org/3020141 <- ;) | 09:53 |
| Sage | last line | 09:53 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: I have some trouble at the moment to build a special kernel package | 09:54 |
| mdfe_ | I get rpc-time outs | 09:54 |
| Sage | mdfe_: special kernel package? | 09:54 |
| mdfe_ | Project:KDE:Mer_Extras:Adaptation:Archos-gen9 > kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9 | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: uhh.. | 09:54 |
| veskuh | alterego: yep, I can package and push out new version of dialer | 09:55 |
| mdfe_ | since yesterday I'm not able anymire to build for armv7l | 09:55 |
| mdfe_ | obs say its building but nothing happens | 09:56 |
| alterego | veskuh: awesome thanks :) | 09:56 |
| veskuh | np | 09:56 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: it is stuck somehow. Need to get X-Fade or lbt_away to check on that | 09:58 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 09:58 |
| mdfe_ | thx | 09:58 |
| Sage | mdfe_: try to abort the build with osc and the rebuild | 09:58 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: BTW, gdb in CE:MW:Shared can be upgraded to 7.3.1 and possibly sent to mer core | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | as qt5 and qt-mobility will dep on it | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: 'mic' feature request: allowing to download qemu-usermode-static from a repo too | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | so we can control that centrally | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ideally we should make bootstraps mandatory | 10:06 |
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| Sage | I'm not sure if mic does bootstrap anymore | 10:11 |
| Sage | at least it behaves a lot differently than before | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok, let me know | 10:11 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/3020214 <- some naming things still todo :) | 10:12 |
| Sage | but hey images are there :) | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | well at least it didn't call it tizen | 10:13 |
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| Sage | actually I would prefer it would as then I would know where the error is ;) | 10:17 |
| Sage | yey, first contributions to mic accepted ;) | 10:17 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/12/15/qt-4-8-0-released/ | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | oh finally | 10:24 |
| alterego | w00t: can you point me to your blog. | 10:24 |
| alterego | You had some cool optimization hints :) | 10:24 |
| alterego | For declarativeview | 10:24 |
| w00t | alterego: http://blog.rburchell.com | 10:24 |
| alterego | Thanks. | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | we can fix https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 finally :> | 10:25 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: :) | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | but erm, i really want to first fix that -after- the toolchain upgrade and rpm 4.9.1.2 upgrade ;) | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | too much chaos incoming in the first place | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3020288 is what's staged so far for next release | 10:29 |
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| alterego | w00t: have you had much experience with optimizing declarative ShaderEffectItems? | 10:37 |
| veskuh | alterego: can you tag a new version number for dialer? Since we forked from meego gitorious I think we can start using our own version numbers. Would be nicer to release with proper new version number than git hash | 10:38 |
| w00t | alterego: no | 10:38 |
| alterego | w00t: Oh well :) | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | morn mingwandroid | 10:39 |
| alterego | veskuh: I could do, :) | 10:39 |
| mingwandroid | hey | 10:39 |
| mingwandroid | been off ill and then busy at work. hows everything going? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: well, turns out 2011.12 also brought in the fix for armv6 memory barriers, so we have 15 'failed' on armv6 side | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | the good news is that linaro 2011.12 fixes it, supposedly | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | er, qemu linaro | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | so that's what i'm on | 10:41 |
| mingwandroid | ah so we need to switch to that then. | 10:41 |
| mingwandroid | great. | 10:41 |
| alterego | veskuh: can you just use the latest version for now and I'll look into versioning this weekend. | 10:41 |
| alterego | I think the version that's in gitorious isn't the latest version of the dialer source. | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: yeah, the problem is that qemu has to be the same everywhere :) | 10:42 |
| alterego | s/gitorious/github/ | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: and qemu > 0.14 crashes harmattan builds | 10:42 |
| mingwandroid | can't we have our own qemu? | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | yea, that's what i'm working on now :) | 10:42 |
| veskuh | alterego: ok | 10:42 |
| alterego | So I might need to work on pulling in some of the less crap modifications done in the meego gitorious dialer project. | 10:43 |
| w00t | alterego: it's the version that you put into nemo, so no, not the latest, but the latest that isn't horribly broken | 10:43 |
| w00t | ;) | 10:43 |
| alterego | w00t: yeah, that was a good move ;) | 10:45 |
| Sage | does someone know if it is possible to skip a file from data_files in python setup.py if the file exists? (Trying to keep old configs) | 10:45 |
| alterego | But there probably are some useful bits that can be taken from the meego git repo. | 10:45 |
| alterego | It'll just take time to integrate the bits that weren't stupid. | 10:46 |
| alterego | Then I think working on porting it to qt components. | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: we also have SB2 builds working now, http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/buildlog | 10:46 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: woo! :) | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: so we can do really awesome things and clean up the current mess | 10:46 |
| mingwandroid | forgive my noobishness, SB2? | 10:47 |
| w00t | alterego: that'd be cool :) | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: scratchbox2 but ignore the scratchbox part | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: it's a cross compilation helper, you can map the perception of a filesystem/binaries to anything you want | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: so for example /bin/bash on ARM target -> /bin/bash x86 version | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | or gcc to well, a cross compiler | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | means we won't need those magical "-accel" packages anymore | 10:51 |
| alterego | Qt 4.8 released :) | 10:51 |
| alterego | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/12/15/qt-4-8-0-released/ | 10:51 |
| alterego | Which brings webkit 2.2.1, neat .. | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | toolchain first, webkit 2.2.1 doesn't build on armv7hl for us else | 10:53 |
| mingwandroid | cool. | 10:54 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: so the PA guys are planning to get stuff working on top of 4.8.0? | 11:03 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: imho yes | 11:15 |
| mdfe_ | and get more scoped on mer | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | when was PA3 estimated? | 11:15 |
| mdfe_ | imho in 3 three month | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:16 |
| mdfe_ | but I'm not really sure | 11:16 |
| mdfe_ | personally I like to drop meeg asap | 11:16 |
| mdfe_ | meego | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | what CI methods do you use in PA btw? if i may ask | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | just curious about the systems in use | 11:20 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: sorry back from lunch | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | that was a quick lunch :) | 11:26 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: CI = continious integration? | 11:26 |
| mdfe_ | sadly yers | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:27 |
| mdfe_ | For ci we take a hudson server with some simple shell scripts | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:28 |
| mdfe_ | it also build all the images | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | it would be good to add some automation so that we can get feedback on mer changes eventually | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | for example, we will switch toolchain soon and we are running CI ourselves | 11:29 |
| mdfe_ | what do you think about? | 11:29 |
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| Stskeeps | but on the basis of vendors (like PA) reporting back if our planned changes will break things | 11:29 |
| mdfe_ | like emails send in case of a new image is ready? | 11:29 |
| mdfe_ | or for updates on packages? | 11:30 |
| mdfe_ | do you take boss for ci? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, imagine this situation - we make a change in Mer that will break PA | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | we'd like to know in advance that this change will cause a failure for you as it won't go into the mer core release :) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | so that kind of system | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | ie, that we get automated communications when something may break vendor's systems | 11:31 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: btw, are you using the CE:MW:PlasmaActive now in your builds? Just wondering if that works for you. | 11:32 |
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| mdfe_ | Sade: we are using CE:UX:PlasmaActive | 11:33 |
| Sage | mdfe_: and in image builds you need also CE:MW:PlasmaActive or do you have that Mer_Extras there still? | 11:34 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: you mean a additional (dryrun) testing mer project and we should another PA project against it? | 11:34 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: mom | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: for instance - the idea is that Mer will publish prereleases, repositories for individual changes, etc, so we would like to sometimes get reports back if we cause packages to fail, automatically | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | or tests to fail, or whatever | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | that's the kind of generic system we want to make | 11:35 |
| mdfe_ | sounds really good | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is that each mer core release is incrementally stable | 11:36 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_x86_usb_live_and_install_archive/2011-12-09-12-15-basyskom-plasma-active-testing-mer-usb-live.ks | 11:36 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_arm_install_archive/archos-generation-9/2011-12-14-13-00-basyskom-plasma-active-testing-mer-armv7l-archos-gen9-mmcblk1p-raw.ks | 11:36 |
| Sage | mdfe_: that mer-extras might cause any kind of problem there you really should remove it from the builds | 11:37 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: uh, what is causing trouble? | 11:38 |
| Sage | mdfe_: ah, you have disabled the packages from there | 11:38 |
| Sage | nm | 11:38 |
| mdfe_ | just about 10 packages | 11:38 |
| mdfe_ | like strace less and some generic stuff | 11:38 |
| Sage | ok, nice. So my stripped MW works :) | 11:39 |
| Sage | good to know :) | 11:39 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: what do yu think about poppler-qt? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's me to fix.. | 11:40 |
| * Stskeeps does it while he remembers | 11:40 | |
| mdfe_ | Sage: It is close related to poppler | 11:40 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Do you see a change for adding poppler-qt to mer base? | 11:41 |
| mdfe_ | chance | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we had a bug for it | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | we already have poppler | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | poppler-qt is in same package | 11:41 |
| mdfe_ | s/chnage/chance | 11:41 |
| mdfe_ | yes, but it will not be build | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:42 |
| mdfe_ | only it the package is called poppler-qt | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | i know | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | just added <link from="poppler" to="poppler-qt" /> | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 11:42 |
| mdfe_ | yepp | 11:42 |
| mdfe_ | but I had some trouble because mer base and fake obs wasn't not really in sync | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | should usually be | 11:43 |
| mdfe_ | sorry was not in sync | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, it'll be in next mer release | 11:43 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 11:43 |
| mdfe_ | less and strace could be usefull as well | 11:44 |
| mdfe_ | 2 my 2 cents | 11:44 |
| mdfe_ | just my 2 cents | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we should set up a Mer Utils project of some kind | 11:44 |
| mdfe_ | m) | 11:44 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Can you give me a big picture how do you plan to implement the mer update testing stuff? | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process | 11:46 |
| mdfe_ | awesome | 11:46 |
| mdfe_ | thanks | 11:46 |
| mdfe_ | Prereleases? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | 2yeah | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:47 |
| mdfe_ | Vendor notification process (Automated) | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | basically it's where we're writing up how things ought to run, so the big picture | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | what we expect vendors to do, what we do ourselves, how we signal new things, etc | 11:48 |
| mdfe_ | greate :) | 11:48 |
| mdfe_ | if you like, we can add a additional repository to the PA testing project to test the toolchain update for armv7lh | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: i'm still wondering how to do this the best | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | if we have had the process, we'd already know the feedback | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | just like i see when i add toolchain to core and some things fail | 11:51 |
| mdfe_ | imho a additional repo should be good | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:51 |
| mdfe_ | so it is not to hard to switch | 11:52 |
| mdfe_ | and we see what happens | 11:52 |
| mdfe_ | and the PA testing project is not effectec by too many changes a day | 11:53 |
| mdfe_ | so we do not waste build power | 11:53 |
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| mdfe_ | but for this will need also additional repos of CE:MW:Shared --> CE:UX:PlasmaActive | 11:58 |
| mdfe_ | because we are building on top | 11:58 |
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| mdfe_ | X-Fade: hi, I have some strange issues by building a package and imho it is an obs issue | 12:20 |
| mdfe_ | X-Fade: Do you have time for a short look? | 12:20 |
| mdfe_ | lbt_away: ping | 12:23 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: did someone fix that mer wiki image upload thing already? | 12:24 |
| Sage | Just wondering if I create bug to whom I should assign it | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | alterego ^ | 12:27 |
| alterego | Well, I've not done it :) | 12:28 |
| alterego | So I guess there's still an issue, and this is the first I've heard of it ;) | 12:28 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: just that image uploads are disabled | 12:29 |
| Sage | alterego: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload | 12:29 |
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| Sage | X-Fade: ping. Is this normal: http://pastie.org/3020841 ? | 12:53 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ^ | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | looks a bit odd yes | 12:54 |
| Sage | can someone verify the key? As it has been working fine before and I highly doudt the key changed. | 12:54 |
| Sage | or did my machine just remove the key by accident? | 12:55 |
| Sage | ah, my bad | 12:57 |
| Sage | did sudo and didn't notice :P | 12:57 |
| * Sage isn't sure if he missed the rsync schedule by couple of seconds or not .P | 13:00 | |
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| niqt | who prepare plasma-two iamge based on mer? | 13:27 |
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| rlinfati | Hi, latest-release != latest.release at http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/ | 13:28 |
| rlinfati | is normal? | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's a superflous file | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | i should remove it | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/latest.release is the right one | 13:30 |
| * Stskeeps fixes | 13:32 | |
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| Blenster | As a "long time" n900 user I just wanted to pop in and say thanks to the people who are making sure this really cool OS doesn't die | 13:38 |
| Blenster | One of these days I hope to get more into development myself (car-computer interfaces) | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | Mer would be good for car computer | 13:39 |
| Blenster | but for now I'm just delighted I can carry a real linux phone in my pocket | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | HazardousWaster is also working on that :) | 13:39 |
| Blenster | You guys rock | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | he already booted mer on a car computer of his | 13:40 |
| Blenster | IDo you have a recommendation on where to start learning for this sort of development? I'm a pretty decent OO Programmer but flash is dying so it's time to pick a new direction for my career | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | got a car computer already? | 13:40 |
| Blenster | (I know, I know, flash sucks -- I run a flash blocker myself so there's no need to convince me people do awful things with it -- but I write good code and flash has paid the bills for years now) | 13:41 |
| Blenster | Nope, I have been looking at mobile dvelopment option sna dnot really liking what I see... Nothing has really grabbed my attention | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | so, if you're on UI side, get to know QML | 13:42 |
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| Blenster | Sure thing | 13:42 |
| Blenster | thanks | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | do you know Lipstick? | 13:42 |
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| Blenster | and, again, thanks for keeping this project moving... I really want to see this platform gain acceptance | 13:43 |
| Blenster | nope, I'll look into that as well | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's a toolkit to make homescreens and such out of QML | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | the windows of apps you see are elements within QML | 13:44 |
| Blenster | oh that is cool! | 13:45 |
| Blenster | I like the shot of it on the n900... | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | so you can manipulate them like you would with any image element | 13:46 |
| Blenster | My background is in graphic design -- I was always just the "nerdiest" of the designers so I had to write all the code -- ended up learning how to write code "the hard way" | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | let me show you another awesome video.. | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hgo9CWV400 | 13:47 |
| Blenster | it wasn't until Actionscript 3, which really encourages OOP and the proper use of "design patterns" that I really had that "epiphany" moment and programming really becamse "claerer" to me... | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | that video ought to appeal to your graphic design side :) | 13:49 |
| Blenster | oh wow... I'll look for that export script and QT creator tonight when I get home | 13:49 |
| Blenster | Geeze -- there goes my free time... :-D | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i gave up on free time | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:50 |
| Blenster | hehehe | 13:50 |
| Blenster | THank you very much for talking to me | 13:50 |
| Blenster | I'm going to have to play with this... | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | no problem, feel free to hang out here | 13:50 |
| Blenster | I'll check in as I can -- @ work now so I'll be back and forth | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:51 |
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| Sage | X-Fade: sync ping | 14:05 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://qtl.merproject.org/7b103248-2722-11e1-bf85-00163e6e0038.txt <- the qemu update thing you were talking about? | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | ye | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | s | 14:08 |
| Sage | ok | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | i've fixed it already, adding a project wide qemu | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | just.. takes time | 14:08 |
| Sage | ok | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morn crevetor | 15:21 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: Morning ! | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo Dinnouti | 16:08 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "The Mer Project - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/ | Contribution to packages: http://bit.ly/tJUL43 | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs" | 16:18 | |
| Dinnouti | hello Stskeeps | 16:19 |
| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "The Mer Project - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/ | Contribution to packages: http://bit.ly/tJUL43 | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs | Get an account at http://bugs.merproject.org and click "Available tasks" for something to do" | 16:19 | |
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| Stskeeps | Dinnouti: so what brings you here? | 16:19 |
| Dinnouti | I am just looking around. | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | alright - let me know if you have any questions :) | 16:20 |
| Dinnouti | I saw you mentioned the #mer channel and I moved into in. I am trying to understand the Tizen project, actually. | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, tizen is a bit difficult to classify as no code or architecture has published | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | a common standard for HTML5 apps sounds good, but about rest of the system... | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | we'd probably try to use Mer plus Qt to provide a Tizen-compliant runtime here, if possible | 16:21 |
| Dinnouti | The Mer project will keep supportin Qt application, right? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:22 |
| Dinnouti | Good. | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | we're a core that is geared towards Qt/QML/HTML5/JS basically | 16:23 |
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| Dinnouti | What are the common parts with Tizen? How the Mer interacts with Tizen - common libs or just common applications, or both? | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | the thing is that Tizen hasn't published any code, so it's hard to say what's common. right now it looks like their code will be published in Q1 2012 | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | common libs and common pieces of software are likely | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | and participating alongside in making some things in the gnu/linux ecosystem more mobile friendly, upstream | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | chances are they'll use connman, so do we, as an example | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is open source already and people are doing cool things with it :) | 16:30 |
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| Dinnouti | Thank you very much! I will read more about Mer also. I saw that there is a git repo. I will start with the wiki page and see what we see :-). | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | in fact there's many :) mer core itself is described in git, and all packages are in git | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'll go get some food | 16:34 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: you're in EST ? | 17:18 |
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| javier | hi | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | lo javier | 18:28 |
| javier | I was wondering if Mer supports multi touch as MeeGo does | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:28 |
| javier | ok, great | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | we have same xinput2 | 18:28 |
| javier | excellent | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | but there's a bug on exopc where it crashes | 18:28 |
| javier | I haven't been able to see it by myself since PA crashes on Mer/i586 | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:29 |
| javier | interesting | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:29 |
| javier | I suppose that bug affects the WeTab as well | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40 | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | (Nemo delivers the x86 hardware adaptation) | 18:29 |
| w00t | that's curious, because erm, it doesn't crash on lenovo | 18:30 |
| * javier takes a look | 18:30 | |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind if someone can get me a backtrace | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: yeah, nor on n950 | 18:30 |
| javier | so arm devices aren't affected | 18:32 |
| w00t | lenovo isn't arm | 18:32 |
| javier | I know :) | 18:32 |
| javier | I mean that no arm device is affected | 18:33 |
| javier | or known to be affected | 18:33 |
| javier | I'll try to reproduce that bug once we get PA2 up and running on Mer/i586 | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | thanks - it should be reproducable with a bare qmlviewer too | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | which is a smaller testcase | 18:34 |
| javier | hmm, I don't remember my password for b.n.o | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | it's same as on bugs.merproject.org | 18:36 |
| javier | actually, I am not sure if my account was created | 18:36 |
| javier | ok | 18:36 |
| javier | is it the same? I got an email from bugzilla@nemomobile.org | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, it became the same at some point :P | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | we use same ldap backend | 18:39 |
| javier | bleh, it doesn't let me in | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok, you might have an account from before then | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | anyway | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's just "after touching screen, qmlviewer crashes" | 18:41 |
| javier | my credentials work on merproject's bugzilla but not in nemomobile | 18:42 |
| javier | could anyone add me to CC? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | will do | 18:42 |
| javier | (meanwhile) | 18:42 |
| javier | thanks | 18:42 |
| javier | javier at kde dot org | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | not registered on it | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'll look into it with lbt tomorrow | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see you in user database either so your credentials ought to work | 18:44 |
| javier | hm | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | maybe. | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll have to debug this with lbt | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'll file a bug :) | 18:46 |
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| javier | ok, thanks :) | 18:46 |
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| swerden | lbt_away: David? | 19:04 |
| lbt_away | hey swerden | 19:04 |
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| lbt_away | back from Beijing but been catching up :) | 19:05 |
| lbt_away | hence the _away | 19:05 |
| swerden | lbt_away: Are things working ok? Do you need additional things | 19:05 |
| lbt_away | we had a few small hickups and just got things sorted as I left for china | 19:06 |
| lbt_away | so now I'm back I can see about pulling the wiki in | 19:06 |
| swerden | :) | 19:06 |
| lbt_away | then I need to look at the most effective way to setup an OBS worker | 19:07 |
| swerden | perfect, Hopefully I will get a new machine tomorrow and then we need to test it | 19:08 |
| lbt_away | *nod* | 19:09 |
| lbt_away | I think I need to look at tuning OBS to be more useful on mid-spec machines too | 19:10 |
| lbt_away | we need to keep the barrier-to-entry as low as possible | 19:10 |
| lbt_away | and just throwing lots of RAM can be pricey | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo stephg :) | 19:18 |
| stephg | word! | 19:18 |
| stephg | hope everyone is well! | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we're good, mer is moving ahead nicely | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | still a lot of work to be done, but basics are there | 19:19 |
| stephg | that's why I dropped by, I've not built an image of anything in ages and see the odd post from Marko about new nemo builds, I need to try some of it out :) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | yep, you should | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: Blenster was in here earlier (still is), graphics designer wanting to get into car-computer interfaces | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | evening phaeron | 19:45 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: hello | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | so, what's the status of the patch for localdep? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | (just to catch up) | 19:46 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: https://github.com/MeeGoIntegration/open-build-service/commit/10e44b8d0477ae316be009064a0e5c1158683a03 | 19:46 |
| phaeron | it works with remote projects now | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 19:46 |
| phaeron | but needs http://pastie.org/2977842 | 19:46 |
| phaeron | to be effective | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'll test it out after i try to start a full mer tree with SB2 tomorrow | 19:46 |
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| phaeron | ok | 19:47 |
| phaeron | I am slowly working on the delete in a prjlink thing | 19:47 |
| lbt_away | HazardousWaster: Blenster .... if you're looking at Mer + Car UI then please ping me too ... I know a couple of groups who want to do that. One makes aftermarket stuff for Jaguars, the other group made the Empeg car stereo. | 19:49 |
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| phaeron | lbt_away: why are you away :) | 19:56 |
| lbt_away | so people don't talk to me :) | 19:56 |
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| phaeron | like that would stop us :D | 19:59 |
| lbt_away | so true | 19:59 |
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| lbt | spent some time today catching up after beijing | 20:00 |
| lbt | still not taken pics of camera though! | 20:00 |
| lbt | (Being shouted at for that :) ) | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | what did you do with your camera? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:00 |
| lbt | :P | 20:02 |
| lbt | carried it ... a lot | 20:02 |
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| lizardo | did anyone make any experiments with booting a rootfs over USB (e.g. NFS) on N950 ? or from a loopback file ? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | lizardo: it should be theoretically possible, we did that for N900 | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/NFS | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | maybe together with marquiz's moslo | 20:15 |
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| marquiz_ | mm, there should be nothing preventing nfs boot over usb | 20:17 |
| marquiz_ | haven't tested, though :) | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | could be a cool flashable image, too | 20:18 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps, thanks, I may try sometime :) another thing I wanna try is booting kernel with --load and the filesystem with initrd + "mount -o loop" + chroot for not requiring partitioning | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | talk to marquiz_, he's on the bleeding edge of alternative OS booting on those devices :) | 20:18 |
| marquiz_ | lizardo, that should be fairly easy, too | 20:27 |
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| marquiz_ | n950 now has support for gzipped cpio initrd's too, so it is fairly easy to test/modify (and nice that the initramfs is rw) | 20:28 |
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| alterego | Still rw if it's gzip'd? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i mean, it's loaded into ram | 20:42 |
| alterego | Oh, to me rw means persists ;) | 20:42 |
| alterego | So it's non-persistent rw :) | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | temporarily ;) | 20:43 |
| alterego | Can we load initramfs' via usb? | 20:43 |
| alterego | Without flashing? | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but there's a timing problem on n9s so some don't work | 20:44 |
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| alterego | Interesting. | 20:44 |
| marquiz_ | alterego: but otherwise yes, there seems to be some size limit, though | 20:44 |
| alterego | Well, when I get a spare N9, I'm eager to start testing mer on it :) | 20:44 |
| marquiz_ | but a while only cramfs initrd worked, which is clumsy | 20:45 |
| alterego | Though my grande work looks sexy on the N950, I just want to see what it'd be like on the N9 :D | 20:45 |
| marquiz_ | :D | 20:45 |
| alterego | vgrade mentioned earlier that though he managed to demo mer (& nemo?) on the N9, it crashed in to a reboot loop shortly afterwards. | 20:46 |
| alterego | I've not looked at the demo yet. | 20:46 |
| alterego | Anyway, I need food :D | 20:47 |
| alterego | bbl | 20:47 |
| marquiz_ | c ya | 20:47 |
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| vgrade | alterego, marquiz is doing the work I'm just testing and feeding back results. yes it was Nemo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T500ONx62ro | 22:30 |
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| beford | cool video vgrade | 22:54 |
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| beford | just found my lost microsd :P going to build last image and test it | 22:55 |
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| vgrade | Nemo is looking good | 23:05 |
| beford | ouch vgrade do you happen to have the command to build http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111208.2.CE.2011-12-15.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-testing/ ? | 23:07 |
| beford | I used to get it from the .log file on meego, but mer log files doesn't seem to include it | 23:08 |
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| beford | oh nevermind, found it from an older log file :D | 23:09 |
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| vgrade | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111208.2.CE.2011-12-15.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-testing/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-testing-0.20111208.2.CE.2011-12-15.1.ks - top line | 23:30 |
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| beford | got some errors about missing packages, xterm, openssh-* | 23:35 |
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| beford | seems to be working now :d | 23:37 |
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