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| _av500_ | has broken | 05:54 |
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| dm8tbr | like the first build | 05:54 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps has not spoken | 05:55 |
| dm8tbr | praise for the source, praise for the git | 06:04 |
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| * Stskeeps clings to the coffee cup | 06:31 | |
| * w00t hasn't even gotten that far yet | 06:36 | |
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| Stskeeps | zumbi_: if they have working 3d on 2.6.32 and up that should be plausible | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: saw http://www.solid-run.com/ ? | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | it seems like the fashion of tiny tiny devices has finally come to the world :) | 06:56 |
| dm8tbr | meh another marvell soc | 06:57 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: I see movement in the igloo git. 21min ago 4 commits, no license change yet though | 07:01 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: Would really like to see the license change :) | 07:13 |
| Sage | Could finish my snowball port then | 07:13 |
| * dm8tbr too, but I'm giving them still an hour or so before I shoot andrea an email asking why they didn't fix it while touching the code | 07:13 | |
| Sage | :) | 07:14 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, there is still couple of libs I'm going to check with the package updates and then most probably go for the xorg-x11-* packages and see which one of those can be easily updated at first. But those will be after a week or so when the current list is getting smaller :) | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:18 |
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| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Yes, saw it | 07:26 |
| Sage | yey, someone fix part of the problems I was having with the mic :) | 07:27 |
| Sage | I'm going to do testing with mic tomorrow if we could start utilizing that in our images as well. | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | could be good | 07:31 |
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| * Stskeeps ruffles some feathers: https://plus.google.com/u/0/113386402913695079840/posts/7sUg9Q3nB3P | 07:40 | |
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| _av500_ | Tizen is giving out stamps? | 07:44 |
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| Stskeeps | compliancy stamps, i presume | 07:45 |
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| _av500_ | I hoped food stamps | 07:45 |
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| Stskeeps | just occasionally obs is too damn flaky | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | returning a zero length response isn't cool | 08:40 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: yeah we have a bug about that. upstream claims it doesn't happen with 2.3 on apache | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | bullcrap | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | i use 2.3 on apache and it does that to me | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:42 |
| phaeron | yep cobs too | 08:42 |
| phaeron | it's just not reproducable so they refuse to acknowledge | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | probably another of those "obs is idle, so let's mess up crap" things :P | 08:42 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: log not showing problem discussed ^ ? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:53 |
| * Sage branches zypper | 08:56 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ok, zypper fails actually | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 09:02 |
| * Stskeeps curses qemu | 09:02 | |
| Sage | //usr/include/augeas.h:24:25: fatal error: libxml/tree.h: No such file or directory | 09:03 |
| Sage | just a augeas packaging problem | 09:03 |
| * Sage fixes | 09:03 | |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | so, qemu.. | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | there was somethng about harmattan not liking qemu 0.15 on obs? | 09:04 |
| Sage | yes, what about the qemu 1.0 ? :) | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | new toolchain breaks qemu on armv6 because it actually uses proper memory barriers | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | and 0.15 linaro has the fix | 09:05 |
| Sage | X-Fade: might know better about the harmattan problems with newer qemu | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | morn bergie | 09:09 |
| Sage | can .pc file depend on other .pc file? | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:12 |
| Sage | augeas requires libxml2 and atm. when compiling zypper it doesn't get the libxml2 include path properly. | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | there's a Requires: thing | 09:12 |
| Sage | ah, nice | 09:13 |
| bergie | hey Stskeeps | 09:17 |
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| bergie | Stskeeps: I sent some comments to your proposed call | 09:29 |
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| bergie | we should also ask for volunteers to help run the room | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm not really subscribed to fosdem lists and such so it'd be good if you could send it out as you proposed it | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | (as i replied) | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, volunteers would be good too | 09:31 |
| cxl000 | sage I gathered some battery management metrics on n810. I could see the capacity decreasing over time. Then I enabled charging and capacity was increased. Not tried the edge cases of fully charge or fully discharged. | 09:32 |
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| bergie | Stskeeps: can we use your address for getting the abstracts? | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, sure | 09:37 |
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| bergie | what about the dates? We should have a deadline for proposals | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | 2011-12-31? | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | and announcement on 7th, - i mean, it's lightning talk style talks, so if you want to come and participate, you're likely to have already booked | 09:42 |
| bergie | ok | 09:42 |
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| bergie | Stskeeps: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/call_for_presentations-open_mobile_linux_at_fosdem_2012/ | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | looks good | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'll send to a couple of meego related lists | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | and mer-generl | 09:49 |
| dm8tbr | nice, noticed yesterday that we didn't have a call yet | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | you forgot the volunteer part | 09:50 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: https://twitter.com/bergie/status/146889520674127872 | 09:50 |
| bergie | ah, I'll edit the blog post | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:50 |
| bergie | added | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | better | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | you'll post on g+ too? | 09:51 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: https://plus.google.com/100751105859582805241/posts/Gvj6Bki3FHn | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 09:54 |
| bergie | my blog will go to MeeGo, Maemo, GNOME and KDE planets | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, mailed mer, meego-dev, tizen | 09:55 |
| dm8tbr | the bergie solar system ;) | 09:55 |
| bergie | hehe | 09:57 |
| bergie | dm8tbr: https://github.com/languages/JavaScript ;-) | 09:57 |
| dm8tbr | :D | 10:00 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: I can post to FMC and TMO | 10:12 |
| bergie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1137373#post1137373 | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:17 |
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| bergie | BTW, let me know when you start getting presentation proposals :-) | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | already getting questions about potential proposals | 10:19 |
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| bergie | while not exactly open mobile linux, it might be interesting to invite this guy: http://yieldthought.com/post/12239282034/swapped-my-macbook-for-an-ipad | 10:20 |
| bergie | to talk how he actually does his development on a tablet | 10:21 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: why iw is in the mer core btw? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | libiw | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | iwconfig.. wpa supplicant | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | i think | 10:36 |
| Sage | hmm... | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | no | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | SymbolRequired by | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | iw = 0.9.21-1.3crda | 10:36 |
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| Sage | ah, ok | 10:38 |
| bergie | ok, now it is also on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-active-two/ | 10:41 |
| bergie | Plasma is interesting, but they really need better graphics | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | so does most oss projects :P | 10:42 |
| bergie | I mean... white icons on a light grey background?? | 10:43 |
| bergie | light grey in general is something I hoped we had left behind to Windows 95 | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | white on dark kinda had a renessiance with AMOLED ;) | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | (DOS..) | 10:43 |
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| bergie | I think generally keeping the chrome dark makes sense, leaves more "space" for the actual contents of your app to stand out | 10:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: updated cdra now when it was talked about :) | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:47 |
| Sage | yet another easy update | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | i have to make project-wide qemu before i can release the next mer release, at least | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | webui-ci.tspre.org/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=Core%3Aarmv6l&repo_Core_armv6l=1 (get an account) | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | isn't how i want it to look | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:53 |
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| Hurrian | Stskeeps, how do I change the meego kernel root device? | 10:54 |
| Hurrian | it's apparently hardcoded into the kernel config | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | Hurrian: mer doesn't have hardware adaptations, what device are you talking about? | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:54 |
| Sage | uh | 10:55 |
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| Hurrian | N900 | 10:59 |
| Hurrian | forgot about that. | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | Hurrian: OK, are you trying to change it with flasher or with uboot? | 10:59 |
| Hurrian | u-boot | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | using a set args kind of thing? | 11:00 |
| Hurrian | nope. i was thinking i'd just decompress the kernel, edit the bootargs, recompress and load it, loading root filesystem from eMMC p4 | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible to provide command line from outside | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | we do it with flasher kernel loading | 11:03 |
| Hurrian | with the USB issue on the N900, i'm a bit uncomfortable to do that. but otherwise, i usually load MeeGo CE builds using flasher. nemo's looking semi-usable, so i want to use u-boot and switch freely between maemo and meego (multiboot sometimes fails to properly flash kernels, and bombs the boot process) | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it just easier to buy an external microsd? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:05 |
| Sage | \o/ it works :D | 11:10 |
| * Sage wrong chan | 11:10 | |
| Hurrian | external microsd? | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes, don't use emmc | 11:11 |
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| Hurrian | ah. k then, moving nitdroid installation to internal mmc | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/buildlog <- SB2 building a ARM package in a KVM and extracting built packages | 11:37 |
| * Stskeeps breaks out the champagne | 11:37 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Cool! | 11:38 |
| Sage | \o/ | 11:41 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: Brilliant! | 11:41 |
| Ans5i | niceeee | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | still some bugs to iron out but :) | 11:42 |
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| leinir | *nods* Good idea with the champagne there, got to keep yourself up there on the peak ;) | 11:54 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl 1 hour | 11:56 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: those sensorfw and poppler failure seem to be bogus as those are compiling fine in my project with all those updates in. | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it is fallout from toolchain | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | i will reevaluate them | 12:28 |
| Sage | that zypper problem is real and need to inspect it more. | 12:28 |
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| marquiz | Stskeeps: out of curiosity, did the long discussion about sb2/obs/build @meego-dev (few months ago) lead to any practical results/contributions/ ? | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | marquiz: well, the stuff i just posted yes, the author has responded very well to my bugs and feature requests | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | think it was mostly underdocumented | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | and people not realizing what sb2 was capable of | 12:59 |
| marquiz | ok, good to hear ;) | 13:01 |
| * Sage ponders if he could drop some of the libzypp & zypper patches | 13:01 | |
| marquiz | Stskeeps: you just posted what? | 13:02 |
| Sage | oh, satsolver has been obsoleted | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | marquiz: sb2 compiling a arm package in a 'osc build' kvm/chroot to completion | 13:03 |
| Sage | libsatsolver* | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: architectual backlog please | 13:06 |
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| Sage | libzypp is using libsatsolver to solve the package dependencies. Apparently that has been obsolted and now they have libsolv instead that has buildin bindings for python etc. | 13:06 |
| Sage | libsatsolver source package is over 50M :) | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It also does debs ;) | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | already convinced | 13:07 |
| Bostik | Sage: eeeekk! | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: mm? | 13:08 |
| Sage | X-Fade: really? | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Sorry, next tab ;) | 13:08 |
| marquiz | Stskeeps: where did you post that? (what a coincidence that i happened to ask that) | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Sage: Yes, we found an issue with importing Harmattan debs in obs, turned out to be in libsolv :) | 13:09 |
| Sage | heh... | 13:09 |
| Sage | Need to look at that and update our zypper with those deps | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | marquiz: releases.merproject.org/~carsten/buildlog | 13:10 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: how would you feel if we would take zypper straight from opensuse without any patches? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: what patches do we need? | 13:10 |
| ScriptRipper | X-Fade can you be more specific on " issue with importing Harmattan debs in obs, turned out to be in libsolv" | 13:10 |
| Sage | we shouldn't need any and if we need those should be upstreamed | 13:10 |
| marquiz | Stskeeps: thx, sorry for bothering about that ;) | 13:11 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: libzypp has 14 patches and zypper 3 | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | marquiz: np :) i think this could yield to something useful for all obs plus cross compile users | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: will look in 10, in bus | 13:12 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: it seems that they pushed the updates as they released new linux BSP for snowball, didn't fix the licenses yet though. | 13:12 |
| marquiz | Stskeeps: yep, i still wonder why i really happened to ask this now, and missed the few lines in irc log :D | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | marquiz: hehe | 13:13 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: also the snowball I have is not supported by their new BSP release so not sure if the latest codes work on my board :/ | 13:13 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I think only two patches are needed for libzypp, one that removes timestamp from binary and another that adds the thumbarchs (should be in upstream already though) | 13:19 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, makes sense | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | just checking packaging myself | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | urgh | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | well that's a lot of patches | 13:24 |
| Sage | yes | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | any of them that's upstreamed? | 13:24 |
| Sage | we should use upstream and not hacks especially as they don't have comments etc. | 13:24 |
| Sage | haven't checked yet | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | because some of them seem genuinely useful | 13:27 |
| Sage | well 0001-multi-ver-package-should-be-erased-from-notupdated-l.patch isn't even applied in zypper :) | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, the least amount of patches possible the better | 13:30 |
| * Stskeeps glances at pulseaudio | 13:30 | |
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| Sage | we should update pulseaudio to 1.0 as well probably, but that will cause problems with n9xx adaptation for sure | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. but same goes for mer plus xorg | 13:32 |
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| Sage | let see what happens after those lib updates are in | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | i vote chaos | 13:33 |
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| * phaeron wishes we get automated regression testing | 13:36 | |
| phaeron | then you can have your chaos ;) | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:39 |
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| dm8tbr | Sage: they might still work | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | bergie: matrixx wins for first talk proposal | 13:59 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: what is it? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | "Towards Accelerated UI's on Mobile Linux With Power of Qt5", so pretty on topic | 14:00 |
| bergie | sounds good | 14:01 |
| bergie | can you collect them to a GDoc or something? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sure | 14:01 |
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| matrixx | Stskeeps: yey :) | 14:04 |
| matrixx | I hope I also win with first accepted ;) | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: did you see my llvmpipe screenshot btw? | 15:06 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: nope. Where is that ?& | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: se | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | c | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/llvmpipejoy.png | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | 21-24 fps on vesa xorg driver on a non-hardware virtualization (VT) single-core virtualbox | 15:17 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: neat | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | based off your work | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | i have new armv7l llvmpipe i'll give you after we've done the toolchain upgrade (it requires that for ARM) | 15:18 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: did you rework the packaging at all on your side ? If not I'll do it | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | i did, sec | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | i wanted to maim mesa anyway | 15:19 |
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| Stskeeps | get an account on webui-ci.tspre.org (not for personal builds, ideally), and go to do http://webui-ci.tspre.org/package/files?package=mesa&project=home%3AAdmin%3Allvmpipe | 15:20 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: have you tested on arm yet ? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | no | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | you need a upgraded toolchain first and well | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=Core%3Aarmv6l&repo_Core_armv6l=1 is a little too red for me ;) | 15:23 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: what toolchain are we using ? | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | we're moving to gcc 4.6.3 linaro 2011.12 | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | binutils 2.22 | 15:23 |
| crevetor | ok | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | and qtwebkit 2.2 is able to build after tha | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | t | 15:24 |
| crevetor | i'm looking at the cmake build, the error doesn't seem trivial to fix... | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's fixed in later qemu :) | 15:25 |
| crevetor | oh ok | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | so i can see the light at the end of the tunnel | 15:25 |
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| crevetor | I wish I had more time to work on that :( | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully we'll see working llvmpipe on touchpad | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | or other devics | 15:27 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: for sure | 15:27 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: also I'm getting a Lumia 800 and am hoping to be able to replace WP7 with... something else | 15:28 |
| berndhs | WP8 ? | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: yeah, i don't have high hopes of that | 15:29 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: me neither. I'm guessing the bootloader is pretty closed | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | and there's always baseband issues | 15:39 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: True | 15:41 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: Although if it's a nokia baseboand it might be possible to get it working using ofono | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | qualcomm? probably MSM | 15:42 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: but it's probably a qualcomm one... | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | how much do you know about android? | 15:42 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: quite a bit | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: the MSM RIL's, are they OSS? | 15:43 |
| crevetor | I doubt it, let me try and find out | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i saw people did ofono-ril, but i actually want the opposite | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | ril-ofono, ie, able to build RIL plugins against it | 15:46 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: I was/am part of those (2) people ;) | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes i know :P | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be a significant strength for mer, at least | 15:47 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: doing a ril ofono plugin woul probably be doable | 15:47 |
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| crevetor | "adb pull /system/lib/libhtc_ril.so ../../../vendor/htc/$DEVICE/proprietary/libhtc_ril.so" darn bastards | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: have you ever seen a chromeos qualcomm image anywhere? | 16:07 |
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| crevetor | what's chromeos ? | 16:08 |
| crevetor | sorry | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | you know, that fabled netbook OS where everything is in the browsr | 16:08 |
| crevetor | I read it the wrong way (like chromeos some king of greek god) | 16:09 |
| crevetor | Chrome OS it is ;) | 16:09 |
| crevetor | in any case, no I haven't | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:09 |
| slaine | actually, that mention of netbook reminds me | 16:11 |
| slaine | Did jolicloud ever actually release the source for the UX ? | 16:11 |
| slaine | I seem to recall that it was some sort of Hybrid app | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | joli os got | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 16:14 |
| slaine | I remember an announcement that they said they'd do it | 16:14 |
| slaine | but iirc, it was a real soon now type of deal, like webOS, lol | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/jolicloud | 16:15 |
| slaine | Was wondering the other day if something like that would be a good mer Netbook target | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | chromium based | 16:15 |
| slaine | nod | 16:18 |
| slaine | Doesn't seem to be much in the way of code there though, https://github.com/jolicloud/jolicloud-launcher | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's mostly server baed | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | based | 16:18 |
| slaine | possibly pulling the UI down alright | 16:21 |
| slaine | hmmm | 16:21 |
| slaine | interesting | 16:21 |
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| Chiku | Ìû | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lo Chiku | 19:27 |
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| Chiku | hi | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | so what does IuX mean? ;) | 19:49 |
| Chiku | I don't known Interface user X (server) ? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:49 |
| Chiku | my n900 still with meamo | 19:50 |
| Chiku | want to try nemo but seem only fot testing | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | nah, we try to do something nice with it | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | buy a microsd card and try it out | 19:51 |
| Chiku | I don't have microsd card | 19:52 |
| Chiku | maybe I should buy one | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | always useful to have | 19:53 |
| Chiku | Ididn't full my n900 yet | 19:53 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | I've got a question... Mer is supposed to be just the core. Like MeeGo core (but better), and then things like Nemo, use Mer, and add the UX to it. Right? | 20:21 |
| Sage | IanWizard-Cloud: yes, Mer is only core without UX and hardware adaptations | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | right, we concentrate on doing the rough system work, ports to architectures and having things well optimized and shared effort | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | so we're practically ~317 source packages | 20:22 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | But Nemo is supposed to be MeeGo CE, so how's that work? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGo CE wasn't a particularly good name | 20:23 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: :P | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | it was an effort to make more of the handset UI and make it actually usable | 20:23 |
| w00t | (understatement of the century) | 20:23 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: but, Mer isn't really MeeGo core. | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | the relation comes from that when meego died, CE effort was still very much alive | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | so we rebased on Mer, turning into Nemo Mobile | 20:24 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: so Nemo is basically replacing MeeGo CE, and calling it the next evolution. | 20:24 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I'm surpriced how good most of those libX* seem in build dep tests | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | IanWizard-Cloud: right, it's a continuation of the code and we managed to sort out a lot of issues when rebasing | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | we had something quite nice, so | 20:25 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: is it a continuation? If the core is replaced by Mer, and the UX is replaced by, whatever is used for UX. How much were you really able to save? | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | IanWizard-Cloud: OK, so, graphically: Mer Core derives from MeeGo but removes practically anything hardware adaptation or UI related | 20:26 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | That's what I'm missing. | 20:26 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Ok. | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | IanWizard-Cloud: Nemo is the UI that previously sat on top of MeeGo Core, plus things that used to be in MeeGo but no longer in Mer | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | such as N900/N950 hardware adaptation | 20:26 |
| w00t | (that don't make sense in core) | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | and libraries | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | in addition to that, we've updated a lot of the software to match closer to the Harmattan stack (on N9) | 20:27 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Yeah. Mer is really meant to be the middleware / framework from what I understand. | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's meant to be a core, then projects like Nemo take it and put it to use | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | because the MeeGo Core itself, deep down, wasn't that bad | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | it was just bloated and ruined by UIs being within it, and hardware adaptations adding to the politics | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | so we took what's really nice in MeeGo Core, turning it into Mer | 20:29 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Ok, I understand now I suppose. | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is basically all the system work everyone has to do, but most would rather want to concentrate on what differentiates their project | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | like UI, hardware adaptation, et | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | c | 20:30 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | but basically all that is does is provide (the base system?), the middleware, and the libs / framework. right? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much, and tools to make a product out of it | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | and of course toolchains and such, cross compilation | 20:31 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: yeah, SDK or what-not | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: SDK is a bit up in the air :) | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | we don't guarantee binary compatibility, so | 20:31 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Opp, gotta go suddenly, be back later :) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 20:32 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Thanks for the clairification. | 20:32 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: bye. | 20:32 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, are those xorg stuff such that they all need to be updated to certain version or something? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: fedora group some of them together at least | 20:34 |
| Sage | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/xorg-x11-proto-dri2proto.git;a=blob;f=dri2proto-2.4-2.6.patch;h=4af1463296d75d88047dbc05599dadde217819bb;hb=HEAD <- o_0 | 20:36 |
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| Sage | why not update the sources from 2.4 to 2.6 but add a patch? :D | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah...... | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | i think you know why | 20:36 |
| Sage | yes, I know but that is just nuts | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to fix | 20:37 |
| Sage | Well, I'm going through all of those next week if I have spare time. | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/#dashboard,1000016 | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | valuable view | 20:37 |
| Sage | that is nice yes | 20:38 |
| Sage | btw, xorg packages are quite up to date mainly just *.*.+1 updates | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but not xorg server itself | 20:41 |
| Sage | yes, well that is another story :) | 20:42 |
| Sage | I'll update all the others and well Xorg needs a bit more things to do | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?o=age also good | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | on bugs.merproject.org, does "Architectual backlog" and "Available tasks to do" show up in the bottom? | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | for you guys | 21:00 |
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| phaeron | I need to login ? | 21:18 |
| Ronksu | Stskeeps: I don't see them. Don't have an account either though. | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i guess it's for editbugs.. | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | hang on | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | seems like i can't make it for non-login | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | awkward | 21:19 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: with a login, I can see it | 21:29 |
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| Crnkoj | hi guys | 23:18 |
| Crnkoj | i have a tegra2 phone and would like to port meego/mer to it, is anyone here with experience as to porting meego to tegra2 devices ? | 23:19 |
| Crnkoj | guys ? | 23:20 |
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| phaeron | wrong timezone :) | 23:26 |
| phaeron | Crnkoj: start here http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace until someone wakes up | 23:27 |
| phaeron | good night :) | 23:27 |
| Crnkoj | aha lol ok thanks | 23:27 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | Crnkoj: I'm looking at the (very basics) of porting to Snapdragon/MSM/APQ | 23:30 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Crnkoj: I know very little, I only recently started really looking at it. I've only worked on basic porting before. | 23:31 |
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| cxl000 | The first step of a port is can you boot your own kernel and mount your our rootfs? | 23:34 |
| cxl000 | Secondly do you have access to hardware drivers | 23:35 |
| Crnkoj | cxl000 yes it ahs an unlcoked bootloader, so you can flash own kernels and system, but cannot flash otehr bootloader cuz its signed and there is no SBK for it | 23:35 |
| Crnkoj | cxl000 it is the motorola atrix which is running both android and a modified ubuntu version. | 23:36 |
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| Crnkoj | most of the drivers are there aswell as sources for the kernel for android 2.3.4/ubuntu | 23:36 |
| Crnkoj | cxl000 what kernel version is needed for mer to work? newer than 2.6.32 ? cuz that might become problematic than | 23:38 |
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| cxl000 | 2.6.38 and up | 23:42 |
| Crnkoj | ah | 23:42 |
| Crnkoj | this could be problematic | 23:42 |
| cxl000 | So you may need to forward port some of the drivers | 23:42 |
| Crnkoj | do you know if meego can use anything older ? | 23:42 |
| Crnkoj | yes i fear that might be a big problem | 23:43 |
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| cxl000 | The kernel needs to be able to support systemd so CGROUPS, AUTOFS4_FS, FANOTIFY, DEVTMPFS, TMPFS_POSIX_ACL and maybe a couple more | 23:49 |
| Crnkoj | ok thanks cxl000 thats semi advanced for me, will ahve to read even more into linux/kernels | 23:49 |
| cxl000 | We have tegra2 graphics drivers in https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Acxl000%3Atrimslice%3AMer%3Atesting | 23:51 |
| Crnkoj | yes i saw that | 23:52 |
| Crnkoj | but huh i need a new kernel first i fear | 23:52 |
| vgrade1 | Crnkoj, the nokia N950 is running 2.6.32 with mer, what do you have? | 23:52 |
| Crnkoj | although it can run ubuntu | 23:52 |
| Crnkoj | motorola atrix | 23:52 |
| Crnkoj | 2.6.32.48 | 23:52 |
| Crnkoj | can run ubuntu with that kernel | 23:52 |
| vgrade1 | ok good enough with a few pathes | 23:52 |
| Crnkoj | i see | 23:52 |
| vgrade1 | sec for link | 23:53 |
| Crnkoj | i mean i read a bit here http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 23:53 |
| Crnkoj | but it was kind of confusing | 23:53 |
| Crnkoj | all of it | 23:53 |
| Crnkoj | i cant change bootloader | 23:53 |
| Crnkoj | but i can change evreything else | 23:53 |
| vgrade1 | ok good | 23:53 |
| vgrade1 | see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-n950&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN950-N9 | 23:54 |
| vgrade1 | thats the 2.6.32 N950 kernel which is working fine with Nemo and Mer | 23:55 |
| vgrade1 | you need cgroups patches , probably accept4 patch | 23:56 |
| vgrade1 | does ubuntu boot from filesystem on sdcard | 23:56 |
| Crnkoj | no | 23:56 |
| Crnkoj | its onboard from motorola | 23:56 |
| Crnkoj | its ont he device itself | 23:56 |
| Crnkoj | running next to adnroid | 23:57 |
| vgrade1 | do you have a link to instructions | 23:57 |
| Crnkoj | http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/WEBTOP/Meet-WEBTOP | 23:57 |
| Crnkoj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6L_bn-430 | 23:57 |
| Crnkoj | its like a function of motorola that it has ubuntu | 23:57 |
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