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| dcthang | what "zzz" means? :-) | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | sound you make when you're asleep :P | 06:36 |
| dcthang | hah :P | 06:37 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 06:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn mingwandroid | 08:52 |
| mingwandroid | morning. | 08:52 |
| mingwandroid | what's new? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | getting closer to finishing up the toolchain upgrade.. ran into a bad mix of glibc and new qemu, which i'm fixing today | 08:53 |
| mingwandroid | updating glibc? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | nah, but recall that each time you modify toolchain, etc, glibc will rebuild | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | doing linux core's is a bit like playing jenga | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | do one thing and the entire thing falls apart | 08:54 |
| lbt | morning all | 08:54 |
| mingwandroid | chicken and egg too I guess.. | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can i ask you to look into what's going on with https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Astskeeps%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7l - no logs showing and build job seems stuck | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | (please) | 08:55 |
| lbt | sure | 08:55 |
| mingwandroid | would be good if there was a way of tracking everything needed for a tc upgrade, just so I can see exactly what's involved.. | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, usually you first know after you've dumped in the new tolchain | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | because that's when you see the fallout | 08:56 |
| mingwandroid | ..but I guess the project's so active that it'd be out of date by the time it's done. | 08:57 |
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| mingwandroid | has all this tc stuff held up a release? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it was needed anyway | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | not having tc upgrade was worse | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | we were stuck on qtwebkit 2.1, wanting to go to 2.2, armv6 glib failed randomly and stopped CI, so spending time on it matters | 08:59 |
| mingwandroid | yeah bitrot. | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i am pondering to do an experiment where we effectively split mer into core and toolchain, which i think you might find interesting | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | where the core is effectively always cross compiled | 08:59 |
| mingwandroid | yeah, definitely sounds good. | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm doing some initial moves towards that - when i put mer together initially, i made a list of what was the self-hosting set of packages | 09:00 |
| mingwandroid | although having the option to not cross if people want is good too (incase cross breaks). | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's where SB2 comes in | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | it'll feel like a full environment | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | it can run target binaries | 09:01 |
| mingwandroid | is it a qemu chroot env? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | ish | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | but it's capable of basically doing a full ./configure without target being self-hosted | 09:04 |
| mingwandroid | is it some sort of mixed env then? e.g. some things run through qemu others dont? I've got to admit to being a bit lost. | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | so, imagine you are a program - SB2 goes in and hooks into everything that has to do with file access/paths and execution of programs | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | so it can alter reality, basically, making some things run with X86 binaries, redirect paths, some things run with ARM binaries | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 09:07 |
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| mingwandroid | ok, a bit like a root kit? | 09:08 |
| mingwandroid | ;-) | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | kinda, but not malicious ;) | 09:08 |
| mingwandroid | a kindly rootkit then. | 09:09 |
| mingwandroid | how diverged is our qemu from the mainline? I was wanting to start hacking on qemu, all my side projects seem to point to it as a fun thing to do.. | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'm using qemu-linaro at the moment plus a reverted patch | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | so not terribly diverged | 09:10 |
| mingwandroid | ah yeah, you mentioned. great. was thinking of looking at opengl accel under windows (yeah, sorry) with ANGLE. | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever see the dgles work the maemo guys? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | did | 09:13 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: every run is failing the same way | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: lovely | 09:13 |
| mingwandroid | is that desktop to es conversion? | 09:14 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3025466 | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | reverse | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | es to desktop | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: awkward | 09:14 |
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| mingwandroid | ah right. You seen angle? Chromium uses it. ANGLE emulates openGL an GLES using directX. | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | anything in src server? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: ah | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | that might be useful too | 09:15 |
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| mingwandroid | build mer on windows? ;-) | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | does it need something on target side? | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | nah, for VMs and such | 09:15 |
| mingwandroid | yeah. and Qt as well. | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess you could do gles -> ANGLE | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | from the qemu work the maemo guys did | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: anything in src server?/repserver? | 09:17 |
| lbt | looking | 09:17 |
| lbt | nothing glaring | 09:17 |
| mingwandroid | did the maemo qemu work make it into mainline? | 09:18 |
| lbt | hmm | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: uncertain | 09:18 |
| mingwandroid | ok, something for me to hunt down then. | 09:18 |
| mingwandroid | bbiab. | 09:18 |
| lbt | spooky | 09:21 |
| lbt | "400 remote error: /var/cache/obs/worker//root_4/.build.log No such file or directory" .. appears in both the rep_ and src_server logs | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | it happens both to xorg-x11-server and xorg-x11-server-fbdev-sgx, fwiw | 09:22 |
| lbt | since when ? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | since this morning | 09:23 |
| lbt | I see something about an OBS ugreade | 09:23 |
| lbt | last week | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | first saw it now | 09:24 |
| lbt | has it built before? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:24 |
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| lbt | it's stalling in getbinaries() | 09:32 |
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| * Stskeeps looks at fakeobs | 09:33 | |
| lbt | yeah... wondering that myself now | 09:34 |
| lbt | ew | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | restarted fakeobs | 09:35 |
| lbt | ah .. hence the nasty log entry? | 09:35 |
| mingwandroid | bbiab, work | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | shouldn't be | 09:36 |
| lbt | I think it appeared when you restarted | 09:37 |
| lbt | nb .. logrotate is a good thing | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:37 |
| lbt | building | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | seems to build now, yeah | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so fakeobs has some kind of request stalling problem then | 09:39 |
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| lbt_away | back in a few hrs | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | where do i find qtwebkit 2.2.1? | 10:26 |
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| sebsauer_ | Stskeeps: Qt 4.8.0 ships with QtWebKit 2.2.1 | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | within the tarball?.. | 10:28 |
| alterego | Should do | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | urgh | 10:28 |
| * alterego checks | 10:28 | |
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| Sage | :P | 10:30 |
| alterego | Should be under src/3rdparty/webkit | 10:31 |
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| alterego | Do you think we have a need for some technical documentation on Mer | 10:50 |
| alterego | Like, architecture, main modules, etc. | 10:50 |
| alterego | Stskeeps, Sage ^ | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | we do, but we also need simple guides on how to get started | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | architecture.. we have an architecture? | 10:51 |
| alterego | Yeah | 10:51 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: well, I mean having a clear list of things like ofono, gstreamer, pulse audio, etc. | 10:51 |
| alterego | Stuff that is actually in Mer | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:52 |
| alterego | If you mocked up a list of simple guide subjects, I'll look in to making some. | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | Making a Mer image is a good start | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | we simply don't have that atm | 10:52 |
| alterego | I think now would be a good time to start getting the documentation/publications in place that would be useful for customers. | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:53 |
| alterego | Okay. | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | regarding architecture, the reason i don't believe in that is http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core.png | 10:53 |
| alterego | pahahahah | 10:53 |
| alterego | I was thinking slightly higher level. | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | let's start from bottom, what we need in order to scale operations | 10:55 |
| alterego | Like: Linux | System | Services | Custom UX (QML, HTML5, Whatever) | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | same tools people will use in companies, making images, making packages, making obs'es, etc | 10:55 |
| alterego | Okay, good. | 10:55 |
| * Sage would like to cut down the bash deps | 10:56 | |
| alterego | This will be good for me, because I want to learn this stuff so I can write and learn ;) | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:56 |
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| alterego | That diagram would be a lot easiewr to read if you hide the rather implicit glibc dependency ;) | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 10:57 |
| alterego | Is that a reflection of everything that's in mer? | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a reflection of the very base system | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | from long time ago | 10:57 |
| alterego | Ah, I see, so it lacks the "middle" layer, ofono, gst, x11 and greater | 10:58 |
| * alterego sees dbus and shudders. | 10:58 | |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mercore.png | 10:59 |
| alterego | Is that really a core facility now? :D | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | (warning, big png) | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | dbus activation | 10:59 |
| alterego | Are the boxes indicating the size of the package? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | dependancies it uses, or something | 11:00 |
| alterego | Cool diagram though :) | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | i need to generate another one at some point | 11:01 |
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| alterego | Eh? http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Dwarf_Puffer_Fish | 11:04 |
| alterego | Is that left over spam? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'd think so | 11:04 |
| * alterego deletes | 11:04 | |
| * Stskeeps waits for qtwebkit to check out | 11:05 | |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: go grab a brew then | 11:06 |
| Bostik | it takes quite a while | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: i am already glancing at my martini bottle | 11:07 |
| Bostik | good man | 11:08 |
| dcthang | for the qtwebkit, I built it and had one error: http://pastebin.com/19by6LVx | 11:08 |
| dcthang | it sounds confusing for the conifguration | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like qt install needed? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | or qt 4.8. | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | 0 | 11:09 |
| dcthang | No, I build it from qt5 repo | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:09 |
| w00t | webkit isn't even remotely ready for qt5 (yet) | 11:09 |
| dcthang | other modules are fine except that | 11:10 |
| Bostik | dcthang: qtwebkit doesn't build against qt5 yet | 11:10 |
| dcthang | okay, so have to leave it there and jump to next step | 11:10 |
| * dcthang grap qtwebkit from webkit site | 11:10 | |
| Bostik | one of our co-workers has hacked together an überkludge local-build-only voodoo system where webkit trunk builds against qt5 but nothing is stable there :) | 11:11 |
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| alterego | Are we going to rename "MeeGo-Image-Creator" to "Mer-Image-Creator" ? | 11:15 |
| alterego | :) | 11:15 |
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| dcthang | Bostik Can u explain überkludge means? | 11:16 |
| dcthang | :P | 11:16 |
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| Bostik | dcthang: utterly horrible, badly/misleadingly/non-at-all documented, depends on manual steps which may change without warning, hard or nearly impossible to reproduce outside that single system due to completely untracked dependencies ... and even then works more by hot air and prayers than technological advances | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: MIC now is called mic | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, mic2 | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: don't do something very specific for 'mic2' as there's a new tool published | 11:21 |
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| dcthang | ok Bostik, very detail explain... | 11:22 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: will it still use .ks files? | 11:24 |
| alterego | Or something new? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically rewritten mic2, i think | 11:24 |
| alterego | Well, it's hard to write a guide on building images without using mic right now :P | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | ask sage for hints / review | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | just make one for mic2 | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | then we can adjust | 11:25 |
| Sage | mic is able to use pretty much same .ks file than mic2 | 11:25 |
| Sage | only difference atm. is that mic is not able to read the cmdline comment that is on the first line of .ks file | 11:25 |
| alterego | Well, I'm documenting mic2 now, what this new tool called? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | mic | 11:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:26 |
| alterego | Sounds like regression :P | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: so how good is mic you think? | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: http://yarpen.cz/rants/?p=43 | 12:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: it seems almost as good as mic2 | 12:50 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: wy? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | just pondering, i guess i should move to it too | 12:51 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: Because mic is able to do the image without any bootstrap hazzle or at least it seems so to me I really recommend it. | 12:56 |
| Sage | just cleaned my tmp dirs to check if that is true | 12:57 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, thanks, saw the announcement on the razor-qt list. Pity we can't take the set of packages straight from opensuse OBS | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111208.2.CE.2011-12-15.1/images/nemo-handset-i586-testing/nemo-handset-i586-testing-0.20111208.2.CE.2011-12-15.1.packages | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: autoconf and automake | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:58 |
| Sage | hmmp | 12:58 |
| Sage | not in n900 image | 12:59 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: automake -> libtool -> libtool-ltdl -> pulseaudio | 13:01 |
| Sage | ah, packaging error from me. | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:02 |
| Sage | fixing | 13:02 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/249 | 13:08 |
| Sage | sry | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'll merge after things finish building :) | 13:09 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: I just pushed a completely redone and rebased qtquick3d fix for qt5 packaging; it requires that you remove and recreate the qt5/qtquick3d directory (remove, git-pull; ./init-repository -f) | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:20 |
| Bostik | the upstream repo address has changed and all the development had been going on in the new one... | 13:21 |
| Sage | vgrade: why we can't take set of packages from opensuse obs? | 13:22 |
| Sage | vgrade: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home:sage:QtDesktop just wait a moment :) | 13:26 |
| Sage | lbt_away, X-Fade: Files could not be expanded: service daemon error: connect to store-vlan60.pub.in.meego.com:5152: Connection refused | 13:28 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kchmviewer&project=home%3Asage%3AQtDesktop | 13:29 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: erased all the known bootstrap things and mic was still able to create image without meego repos | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, nice | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | even armv7hl? | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | and armv7hl isn't in your local rpm | 13:32 |
| Sage | I have default rpm from f15 | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | i think that has armv7hl in rpmrc, doesn't it? | 13:34 |
| vgrade | Sage, the spec files also needed to be edited to add the correct package names | 13:37 |
| vgrade | you need to add a %if 0%{?Mer} to each package | 13:39 |
| Sage | vgrade: yes | 13:41 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 17:58 | |
| damnshock | good morning Stskeeps :P | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | morn damnshock | 17:58 |
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| * IanWizard-Cloud is loving how ICS is turning out. | 18:53 | |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | and ICS the company or the android ICS | 18:53 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Android is finally getting to a decent phone OS. | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | took 4 releases, scary | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | (at least) | 18:54 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | (I don't want to offend anyone, but I try to analyze various merits of different platforms, to try to design the perfect platform in my head :) ) | 18:55 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: oh, well more than that. | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's nothing wrong in checking out the competition :) | 18:55 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: 2.1 (where I came in), 2.2, and 2.3 where all very distinctive. And 3.x was tablet only version... | 18:55 |
| beford | heh, it took like 27GB of disk to compile android 4 on my desktop | 18:56 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | beford: yeah, it's not great all around, but at least from UX / features wise, it's beginning to get there. | 18:56 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Played with a Galaxy Nexus yesterday, plastic compared to my Vivid. | 18:57 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Literally, my Vivid has a metal back, and the nexus practically has a backless dress. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | products are hard to make, though i'm sometimes astonished with how well the designers from chinese companies are getting | 18:58 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | But to be honest, I could foresee it overtaking the iPhone, as the "every teenage girl and businessman"has one phone. | 18:59 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: Google designed it from the ground up, software and hardware, to avoid patent "issues" from Crapple. | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:59 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Apple makes really really good... headphones. | 19:00 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | And then they over charge for them, by about double. | 19:00 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Say, is there more to the Wiki than I found, or is it really just that small at the beginning of this project? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | wiki's a bit small, we document as we go | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, we announced in what, late october? | 19:01 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: yeah, guess I can just catch up here :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | as with most coders, documentation has a tendancy to become second priority | 19:02 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | I would love to help out, but coming on here is about all I have time for till about February. | 19:02 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: true dat. | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | any contribution is welcome | 19:02 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: What's your take on Alien Dalvik? | 19:03 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Is it a consideration? | 19:03 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Because I know it was slated for MeeGo 1.3, which I was quite looking forward to... | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, i think they just wanted to post it for OEMs on top of meego 1.3 | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | it was never OSS so it could never come to meego 1.3 | 19:04 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: ohh... I thought it was. | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | i'm personally a bit peeved about the android thing and the various runtimes.. long story short, a guy from canonical made it actually work on top of a ubuntu runtime | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/ | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | but decided to never release code and got moral quabbles due to android not being 'as open' | 19:06 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: I must ask (perhaps you know, or perhaps not, you don't seem to be that familiar with And), why can't we just take the framework out of Android (all that really distinguishes it), and put it in wherever we like (much like Mer is talking about). | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | imagine how the world would have looked if there had been a oss android runtime usable on normal glibc since 2009 :) | 19:06 |
| * IanWizard-Cloud shudders to think. | 19:07 | |
| Stskeeps | so, there's two issues 1) you can't call it Android 2) i'm not sure if there's -actually- any issues running it on top of glibc | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | just that anyone who manages to do it, will be more likely to capitalise on it instead | 19:08 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | As far as I can see, no, as far as I'm concerned.. Android is just another framework, just like QT | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's just another runtime | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | personally, i'd like to see PhoneGap on Mer | 19:09 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | And "not as open"??? If it's not open, then we open it for them.. Hackers are the can openers of software :P | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | and Tizen HTML5 api alongside too | 19:09 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: I thought that we were doing our own (I thought much like Tizen). | 19:10 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | And if we have a simple HTML API, then I imagine that PhoneGap wiil be quick to jump on that. | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | nah, why not share the ecosystems | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | PhoneGap is already compiled for MeeGo Harmattan | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | ie, probably simple to put on Mer | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | we have qtwebkit | 19:11 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: yes, but..... basically, aren't we already doing that? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | in which sense? | 19:11 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: an HTML5 API (whether using Tizen's or our own) | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | we're not going to make a html5 api, we're going to reuse other's and make them work on top of mer | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | for example, implementing PhoneGap on top of qtwebkit so phonegap apps will work without issues | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | or take in the tizen runtime | 19:15 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: I thought that Mer was basically Tizen, but more focused (just the core), more open and friendly, and less fog everywhere. | 19:15 |
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| * IanWizard-Cloud wonders about AIR... | 19:16 | |
| Stskeeps | tizen doesn't exist in public, so it's hard to tell - mer's basically a derived from meego core, shaped into a smaller core | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | basically a continuation of meego 1.3 | 19:16 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: yeah... | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | Tizen looks to be a "brand" that means you support HTML5+WAC+Tizen "services" | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | and the underlying implementation can differ | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | my own bet is that Intel uses something meego/moblin-derived, Samsung uses their ubuntu-derived SLP | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | while putting it all on one brand and one runtime | 19:17 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: so what are we currently doing? Waiting for Tizen, or is there alot of other development going on that I'm not aware of (most likely option) | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | runtime being something implementing HTML5+WAC+Tizen services, so when you do this, even on Mer, it could be "Tizen" | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | so, what we're doing right now on core level is simply cleaning up stuff, updating packages, doing innovations in the core area such as cross compilation, process, image creation, QA, etc | 19:18 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | hmm.. ok. | 19:18 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | ok | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's not terribly shiny work but it's what all qt/linux people has to do, so we share the burden of making a linux/qt device | 19:19 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | cleaning up the mess, getting a good base to work with. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's already quite good | 19:19 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Basically, I guess what I'm asking is, what does the roadmap look like? | 19:20 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | What's between us, and ver 1.0? (or what ever number we end up using) | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | right - my hope is to properly 'launch' in next month, where we have http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process up and running. Mer 1.0 will be likely to be Qt 4.8.0 plus a underlying core, along with the ARM and MIPS ports, documentation | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | Mer runs a little interestingily, where it's intended that each released core is 'stable' | 19:21 |
| damnshock | I would be using it full time if I had a mail client | 19:22 |
| damnshock | :) | 19:22 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | it doesn't? | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Nemo doesn't | 19:22 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | that's a damn shock. | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | Mer doesn't have any UIs, so no surprises there | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think Plasma might have a mail client | 19:22 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | I'm just making a play on damnshock's name | 19:22 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | :P | 19:22 |
| damnshock | Stskeeps: yeah, I know, I'm not blaming you ;) | 19:23 |
| damnshock | just comenting from a user point of view | 19:23 |
| damnshock | IanWizard-Cloud: :P | 19:23 |
| berndhs | i'm looking for a new mail client that will read my old mailboxes from claws | 19:23 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | This is where I'd like an android runtime, because I use Gmail alot, and so I'd be happiest just using Gmail android app, but no support... | 19:24 |
| damnshock | the thing is that there aren't many mail clients build with qt | 19:24 |
| damnshock | other than kmail | 19:24 |
| damnshock | which doesn't work on n900 | 19:24 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | I think that's where alot of the win or lose will come from with a new mobile OS, is "can you run the existing apps that everybody is so happy with.) | 19:25 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | s/ ) / " / | 19:25 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | (I know, improper syntax, but it's vague on IRC) | 19:25 |
| berndhs | for thigns like email clients, it's not just getting used to a different client, it's importing 50-100K messages in their sub-sub-folders | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | IanWizard-Cloud: but yeah, it's hard to really tell about a roadmap when Mer really works in incrementals | 19:28 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | berndhs: or in my case (with GMail), it's just logging in :) | 19:28 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Let me say/ask this. | 19:28 |
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| vgrade | IanWizard-Cloud, not free but qoudl give you all andriod apps | 19:31 |
| vgrade | http://openmobile.co/ | 19:31 |
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| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, how about ACL for Mer? | 19:36 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | The ideal mobile platform would be a basic linux system (with minimal kernel requirements), that supported the basic UI toolkits, like GTK, and the likes, and then (most importantly), found the lightest, cleanest way possible, to implement all of the most important API's / Frameworks, suchas, QT, Android, HTML5, (Flash / Air maybe?), and then put them all together with a nice app store (package ma | 19:39 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | nager with some extra features). | 19:39 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Think WeTab, but with a better OS... so, think WePad but better. | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | you do have to think about memory usage though | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | and consistency | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/project/show?project=Core%3Aarmv6l | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | starting to look good ) | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 19:53 |
| mingwandroid | hmm, can't login (again!) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :P | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder why that's hidden anyway | 19:56 |
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| mingwandroid | damn still no recover password stuff... I'm proper thick. | 19:58 |
| mingwandroid | too many vms with too many browsers. | 20:02 |
| mingwandroid | wow, lots succeeded then. | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | there's one-two failures left but they're not TC related | 20:04 |
| mingwandroid | the failures looks pretty trivial too. great. | 20:04 |
| mingwandroid | how long before a release then? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'm hoping a prerelease monday so we can see if anything breaks | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | or late sunday | 20:05 |
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| mingwandroid | I'm going to roll out android builds of the same TC over the next few days. Will get us more testing from ndk and necessitas communities. | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | i've also started sketching http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture_proposals/CoreToolchainSplit | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | for that experimental angle | 20:07 |
| mingwandroid | bbiab. dinner. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | so a mer build would go kernel-headers -> gcc-bootstrap -> glibc-bootstrap -> gcc -> glibc and then start building the packages needed for target's Core | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | so it's practically possible to target anything | 20:12 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: u're awesome. | 20:14 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | ;) | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just too much time on my hands | 20:15 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: ahh, well can I have some? I'm running out of it at more than 24hr / day :P | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, all in use :P | 20:15 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | Stskeeps: fine :( | 20:16 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: My kernel adaptation vega package has rotted.. | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:27 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: I linkpac'd cxl's trimslice one, but that's moved now | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | right, you can usually resurrect it with osc co -u | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | that'll give you the unexpanded version | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | a project.diff, etc | 20:28 |
| mingwandroid | can I not just redirect it to the new place? | 20:29 |
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| mingwandroid | home:cxl000:trimslice:Mer:testing I think. | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | -might- be possible but i have bad experiences with it | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | you could edit the _link file | 20:30 |
| mingwandroid | http://pastebin.com/GSRkBgUK | 20:31 |
| mingwandroid | that's the files I've got | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i'd just re-link it in another place then i guess | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to keep anything in common with it | 20:32 |
| mingwandroid | not sure what I use it for at all tbh | 20:35 |
| mingwandroid | how can I just remove the link? | 20:35 |
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| mingwandroid | ok found it | 20:36 |
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