Saturday, 2011-12-10

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pdanekis there any reason for using different IRC client than Pidgin? :)01:37
berndhspdanek:yes I like mine better :)01:38
pdanekberndhs: and it is? :)01:38
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Stskeepskyb3R: happy birthday!06:19
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Stskeepswhat the heck07:26
Stskeepsrpm supports lua scriptlets/postinstall?07:26
araujoStskeeps, yeah?07:33
kyb3RStskeeps: thanks :)07:41
Stskeepsaraujo: well, you learn something new every day07:41
araujotime to (ab)use this feature07:42
Stskeepsi'm investigating mer's core's scriptlets to see if we can switch from bash to dash as /bin/sh07:42
araujothis might be very handy for handling bootstrapping issues07:42
araujoStskeeps, you need to explicitly enable the Lua support though? .... do we have it in OBS? :P07:44
Stskeepsit seems to be there07:44
Stskeepsbash uses it07:44
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damnshockStskeeps: why would we want to move from bash to dash?08:48
Stskeepsdamnshock: as a start, it's more lightweight, two, the bsd licensing may be appealing for OEMs08:49
Stskeepsdamnshock: we're basically doing evaluation on performance impact etc08:49
Stskeepsit's not as big as it was with sysvinit naturally08:49
damnshockreally? oems modifiing the dash code? :S08:50
damnshockseems strange, don't you think? ;)08:50
Stskeepsnah, the issue is that bash4 is GPLv3..08:51
Stskeepswe can think what we want but usually gplv2-only is a fairly hard requirement for many08:53
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damnshockStskeeps: you can always stick with bash 309:18
damnshockcan't you? ;)09:18
damnshockalthough bash4 has pretty features09:19
damnshockassociatives arrays look like a "must have" to me09:19
damnshockprobably won't use them much though09:19
damnshockon a phone I mean09:19
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Stskeepsdamnshock: the other reason is that we did see significant benefit bash vs dash back on n8x009:23
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damnshockreally? is the OS so dependant on the shell?09:28
damnshockanyway, I doubt you'll notice much difference with devices from now on09:29
damnshockthe n8x0 were not that powerfull09:29
Stskeepswith systemd it doesn't matter as much, true09:29
Stskeepsthey weren't, but keep in mind that having to spin up to full mhz isn't good for a battery either way09:29
Stskeepsso it's best to run on a low frequency09:29
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Stskeepsmorn arc_mat|tp10:26
arc_mat|tpStskeeps: good morning10:27
Stskeepsarc_mat|tp: did you guys ever manage to crack SGX on the archos tablet?10:27
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arc_mat|tpStskeeps: no11:07
arc_mat|tpStskeeps: in principle, all the components are in place, but I could not find out why it never showed anything on the screen11:08
arc_mat|tpStskeeps: I'm now updating the kernel to a more recent version, to be closer to mainline11:08
Stskeepswhat display sits on it, out of curiousity?11:09
arc_mat|tpits some lvds display, don't know the manufacturer11:19
Stskeepsi'm wondering if it's omap manual update display11:19
arc_mat|tpno, it's connected via dpi interface. and it works, obviously, since we use the same dss driver on android11:19
arc_mat|tpI actually think that there is mismatch between the drm layer and the Xorg driver, something with modelines maybe11:21
dm8tbrarc_mat|tp: um just a cross-check, you made sure that it's not something like what we ran into with our framebuffer menu (due to an 'awesome' av500 patch). The alpha channel needed handling...11:21
arc_mat|tpdm8tbr: I think I checked that. Last status looking at the log files was that something disabled the overlay at a point and could not be persuaded to enable it again.11:23
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_av500_dm8tbr: most awesome patch11:54
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dm8tbr_av500_: sure, worked awesome, but only for AVOS ;)12:09
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_Thomas_av500_: I saw dreamchip launched the product you mentioned ;)12:29
Stskeepsmorn mingwandroid12:29
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Stskeepsmingwandroid: so i managed to dig into the armv6 sync_synchronise issue a bit12:32
mingwandroidah ok. what did you find out?12:32
Stskeepsturns out that gcc is buggy, it only adds armv6 style memory barriers to armv6k and above, while it should do it for armv612:33
Stskeepsexcept that when you do this, our qemu pukes as it hasn't ever seen something like that before :)12:33
Stskeepsmingwandroid: on the good news side, the new toolchain fixes our qtwebkit 2.2 upgrade problem on armv7hl12:34
mingwandroiddid you make a patch for sync_synchronise? I guess we should push it to linaro? also, upgrading to 2011.12 is a good idea..12:35
Stskeepsthey already proposed one for the 64-bit atomic stuff12:36
Stskeepsbut i need to see if it's fixed in later qemus12:36
Stskeepsright now it just blows up stuff instead12:36
mingwandroidok. so our qemu is quite different from 1.0 I guess? Is it maintained well enough?12:36
Stskeepsit's 0.15-linaro at the moment12:36
Stskeepsi think12:36
Stskeepsbut yes, 2011.12 sounds like a good idea12:37
Stskeepsi removed the old gcc4.6 tarball btw12:37
mingwandroidah really? I thought meego had it's own fork of qemu.12:37
mingwandroidStskeeps: the 4.6.1 one?12:37
mingwandroidI'll add 2011.12 now.12:38
Stskeepsyeah, the 4.6.1 one12:38
mingwandroidI'll keep both 2011.11 and 2011.12 in for now until we manage to test 2011.12 some.12:38
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mingwandroidso how can I get builds to use my gcc?12:39
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Stskeepsjust add your project as a repository to the project you want to custom build12:39
Stskeepsmingwandroid: ok, got time for local build?12:40
mingwandroidtime to wait for one to complete or time for you to help me through the process?12:42
Stskeepstime for me to help you through the process :)12:42
mingwandroidhow long do you think it'll take?12:43
Stskeepsnot terribly long - give me some information on your development machine, CPU, OS it runs, if you have osc installed already?12:43
Stskeepsand what ls /usr/bin/qemu* says12:43
mingwandroidOk I run a windows 7 box primrarily (sorry!) using fedora14. snd gen quad i7, OSC is installed, I ln -s'd /usr/bin/qemu to qemu-arm-static.12:44
mingwandroidfedora14 in virtualbox12:44
Stskeepsyeah, /usr/bin/qemu to qemu-arm-static is bad12:45
Stskeepsis 'build' package installed?12:45
mingwandroidrpm -qa | grep build said "no"12:47
Stskeepsok, good time to yum install it then12:47
Stskeepsshould come from same place as osc12:48
mingwandroidko done.12:49
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Stskeepsok, sec12:49
mingwandroidmeego-tools? yeah12:49
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Stskeepsrpm -i
Stskeepsignore the opensuse part, it's just a static binary12:51
Stskeepsg w00t12:53
mingwandroidok got that.12:56
Stskeepsok, now try osc build --clean --no-verify REPONAME armv7el gcc.spec12:57
StskeepsREPONAME is Core_armv7el, or the names from your project12:57
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mingwandroidStskeeps: do you think it'll work if I change in gcc.spec:13:02
mingwandroid%global gcc_release 113:02
mingwandroid%global gcc_release 2011.12?13:02
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Stskeepsmm, not sure that's good13:03
Stskeepsleme check13:03
mingwandroidjust so it matches up with linaro version. Basically, I'd kinda like their release numbering encoded into the packages.13:03
Stskeepsthe problem is that we can't do dashes in version string in rpm13:04
Stskeepsand linaro's weird when they don't encode the .2 part of gcc too13:05
Stskeepsideally it should be something like13:06
mingwandroidyeah, thats true (and stupid!). I'll not bother risking it.13:06
Stskeepsin meego arm we treated the linaro stuff as a patchset like any other13:07
mingwandroidin osc build, what will Core_armv7el build? All of mer core?13:08
Stskeepsah, you're just building a single package13:08
Stskeepsit just tells osc where to get binary packages from13:08
Stskeepsie, give me the packages as stored in Core_armv7el repository in the current, the ones it points to in <path> , etc13:09
mingwandroidah do I need to be in my checked out folder then?13:09
mingwandroidok right,13:10
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mingwandroidgot lots of: "Trying openSUSE Build Service server for mkdevnodes (Mer:fake:Core:i586), not found at"13:12
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mingwandroidgcc's building away, cheers!13:26
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_av500__Thomas: yes, they demo it13:49
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vgrademarquiz, no-preserve option or flash an erase image?13:51
Guest67384can anyone tell me which package would provide me with lshal? or, alternately how i go about finding out which package would provide any program13:54
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StskeepsHazardousWaster: lshal is obsoleted, HAL doesn't exist in meego13:54
Stskeepswhat are you trying to do?13:54
HazardousWasteri was calibrating my touchscreen, and it said my device was unsupported and to send in the results of the program, so i thought it might be useful info13:56
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vgrademarquiz, --np-preserve option is not in flasher -help but does work14:08
vgrademarquiz, back to a booting N914:09
Stskeepsso you got it to flash the moslo permanently or?14:09
vgradeStskeeps, no something is wrong with that see pastie above, may be something to do with "WARNING: bad moslo format in moslo.img". Moslo started when just running without flahsing.14:12
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vgradeStskeeps, but I did not see the green moslo text after flashing14:12
vgradeStskeeps, which left me with a non booting device14:13
vgradeStskeeps, but reflashed with stock OK, well after I used the no-preserve option14:14
vgrademarquiz, see above14:14
vgradea few more grey hairs after that14:15
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Stskeepsgrey hairs is normal :P14:21
berndhsmakes you look distinguished and trustworthy14:22
Stskeepswell, i guess that goes along with my beard, which fools people into thinking i'm older than i am14:22
berndhshey it works14:23
mingwandroidStskeeps: Off out for a bit.14:24
Stskeepshave a good one14:25
mingwandroidactually, b4 I go, I should kick off builds on OBS for 2011.12.14:26
Stskeepsif you want to, can't harm14:26
mingwandroidDo I need to disable to cross-*, let gcc build then re-enable I suppose?14:26
Stskeepsnah, not this time around14:26
Stskeepsas long as GCC_VER doesn't change14:26
mingwandroidah ok. so just commit and run ;-)14:26
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marquiz_vgrade: hmm, what happened after you had flashed the moslo?16:11
marquiz_did not boot at all or what?16:12
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Stskeepsyou may be able to do it with -L and fiasco from N9, perhaps?16:16
marquiz_vgrade: taking a better look at the pastie - it didn't flash it at all?16:21
marquiz_vgrade: try what Stskeeps suggested, use -a option with the n9 fiasco16:22
marquiz_flasher complains about bad moslo.img for me too, but it doesn't matter (at least on my n950)16:24
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marquiz_gotta go, i'll be back tomorrow16:30
marquiz_see you16:31
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Stskeepsevening lbt_16:38
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Stskeepswell, it seems like our experiment is working, we've successfully cloned lbt into lbt, lbt_ and lbt_away16:42
Stskeepsthat will make life much easier for all of us16:42
lbtthey can do some cool things in China...16:42
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lbtbye bye other me16:43
Stskeepspasi did say the medical over there was extreme, but i didn't know -that- extreme16:43
Stskeepshow's the visit?16:43
lbtreally enjoying it16:44
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lbtreasonable attendance at the conf16:44
lbtnot huge but that was expected16:44
lbtash published my writeup16:44
Stskeepsgbraad's pictures made it look like, erm, a bit empty16:45
Stskeepsyeah, i read it16:45
Stskeepsi like the idea of co-operative16:45
lbtyeah - I was thinking how to explain it and that's my new favourite term16:45
lbtbeen talking to the Qt IVI people tonight too16:46
lbtI have a Huwaei (sp?) business card too16:47
lbtand some contacts from some other interesting places16:47
Stskeepsnothing terribly new here, the SB2 work is moving along nicely, mingwandroid is working on new toolchain for us, WebOS is getting open sourced (candidate for Mer rebase?), we found a good place to start with the qt-onpi stuff16:48
lbtyes - I think we need a "" :)16:49
fw190could you explain "candidate for Mer ebase"?16:49
lbtor at least something tp explain how Mer relates to other distro/platforms16:49
Stskeepsfw190: look at the software that webos runs on, on , contrast with
Stskeepsi'd say there's a lot in common16:50
Stskeepslbt: happened to discuss MIPS with gbraad?16:51
fw190if this whole thing of open source is true does it mean that this is a push for Mer?16:51
lbtStskeeps: gah ... no16:51
lbtbut we connected properly so that's easy now16:51
lbtmay be meeting up on tue16:51
Stskeepsfw190: well, we all have to do the same shit work, why not work together..16:52
fw190hmmm maybe 2012 will be a good year...16:52
lbtI wonder if HP opened up any of their systems - doubt it16:52
lbtcf OBS16:52
Stskeepswell, there's no stuff yet16:53
Stskeepsbut at least their application framework will go OSS16:53
lbtI think the point I made in that article about the dev-days is powerful16:54
lbtsomething is needed to provide an HTML5 framework - Qt provides ve16:55
lbtndor opportunities and great native16:55
Stskeepsyeah, html5 without "components" is not so good16:55
lbtI'm also feeling happier about the HTML5 story16:56
Stskeepswe can move to qtwebkit2.2 after toolchain upgrade btw16:57
lbtthat's great16:57
Stskeepsit went through16:57
lbtBostik was saying it was all looking promising16:58
lbtOnce that's in place it feels like Mer Core will hit a stable architectural plateau for a while16:59
lbtwith implementation niggles being the main issues?17:00
Stskeepsish, i do have a small shopping list i'd like to go through17:00
w00tsmall? :-P17:00
lbtwas wondering about getting the Nemo/Mer channels clarified17:00
lbtreference vendor and all that17:00
Stskeepsi think we should just get /Process up and running first17:01
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lbtthat's what meego would say :P17:01
lbt"our processes are more important than our customers' "17:02
Stskeepsat least before 1.0: SB2 as primary cross compilation, experiments to see if a mer stack can run on dash instead of bash, eglibc evaluation, experiments into mer being a dual-stack on top of either coreutils and such, or busybox..17:02
Stskeepsyou know what i mean.. the process very much defines the interaction with the customers17:02
Stskeepswe can't be vendor oriented and do proper CI without it17:02
lbtcontribution-wise? or release-wise?17:03
Stskeepsso that's my first priority after i've finished up this SB2 stuff, to get the automated process sane17:03
lbtOK - I meant to prioritise "taking a release" over "contribute back"17:04
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lbtI think we could do some of those post 1.0 BTW17:05
Stskeepsbasically i want to be "open for business" (properly) in start of january17:05
Stskeepsie, releases are rolling, tests are running17:06
Stskeepscontributions get fast feedback17:06
lbtyep - and I'd like that to have some systems deliverables too17:06
Stskeepsdefine systems deliverables17:06
Stskeeps(BTW, how late is it there?)17:06
lbtMDS is one17:07
Stskeepsah, yeah17:07
StskeepsMDS & CI doesn't really happen without eachother :)17:07
lbtOBS installation guide with MDS and ....17:07
lbtindeed - nothing too new - *maybe* some BOSS stuff17:07
lbtbut yeah... I should go sleep before I start to wake up :D17:08
lbtthat's not fun17:08
lbtg'night all17:09
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sethstormStskeeps: you said something about issues regarding the n810w?17:33
sethstormjust noticing that disabling rng seems to help get past the panics I'm getting with current kernels17:36
sethstorm(even if it's only to get to aes)17:36
Stskeepsah yes17:43
Stskeepsthere was a rng issue :)17:43
sethstormdisabling aes gets me to a MALF condition17:43
sethstormbut no panic17:43
sethstormStskeeps: now what's the issue with having to pull in prminst44xx.c to resolve an issue with omap4_prminst_read_inst_reg being missing if I don't include it in arch/arm/mach-omap2/Makefile17:45
sethstorm(which I'm not sure is related, but seems to point in that direction)17:47
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sethstormeither way, I'm at least happy to get a rebootable malfunction than a halting panic17:48
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Stskeepsyeah, MALF is from initfs17:53
Stskeepsboot straight to mer17:53
sethstormI configured it to boot to the flash17:53
Stskeepsdon't expect maemo4 to work :)17:54
sethstorm(main flash, not mer, as a way to narrow down what could be doing it)17:54
sethstormStskeeps: so far, success18:04
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Stskeepssounds good, though i have doubts we could get the wimax hw going18:12
Stskeeps(does it work for you?)18:12
Stskeepslike, wimax on maemo418:13
sethstorma bit far outside of wimax territory, unfortunately18:16
sethstormStskeeps: boots to desktop, calibration is fine, but no response from the keyboard18:16
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vgradeStskeeps, -L and -a were mentioned above18:17
Stskeepswhat boots to, for good measure?18:17
Stskeepsvgrade: yeah, but another -a18:17
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Stskeepsboots to what, i mean18:17
sethstormStskeeps: currently, it boots to the razor desktop18:17
Stskeepsok, cool18:17
sethstormit knows that the slider is working18:18
sethstorm(but without keyboard, can't do much more than click around)18:18
Stskeepsisn't it active over usb by chance?18:19
Stskeepsie, usbnet18:19
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Stskeeps"Last spring, HP said that WebOS would ship on HP PCs starting in 2012. The company offered no update to those plans, but noted that WebOS can run in any WebKit browser.18:30
StskeepsRead more:"18:30
wmarone_Stskeeps: did you get a chance to give the image a shot?18:30
Stskeepswmarone_: ah damn.. no, but i'll do it now18:30
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vgradeStskeeps, flasher -a 059K755\DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_009-OEM1-958_ARM.bin -L moslo.img -f18:33
vgradedon't worry18:34
Stskeepsi would possibly do -F DFL* --flash-only=moslo kind of hing18:34
vgradeso the -a is not required because you specify the -F18:41
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vgradeI'll give it a go in the morning18:46
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sethstormcxl000: managed to get something to boot to the desktop(with a different 3.1.0 kernel, based off your rpm, that disables rng/aes), but no keyboard or buttons (touchscreen response only).20:28
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Stskeepstimoph: not sure if anyone did pyside bindings for qt5 yet20:31
w00tafaik, not20:32
w00tit's still quite a moving target20:33
mingwandroidStskeeps: those new compilers are there.20:34
mingwandroidStskeeps: How can I build mer core locally with them?20:34
Stskeepsmingwandroid: plus , and then building them locally on your obs... or we can take the easy way and you can contribute the packaging (remember to edit .changes file) through gerrit and i'll help evaluate it20:39
mingwandroidOk, I was thinking of building locally to act as a firewall before breaking all of Mer! What testing procedure would you go through if I  commit through gerrit?20:40
Stskeepsi'll do a sample build with the changes seperately - our testing isn't good enough to take cross toolchains in automated so20:41
Stskeepswith SB2 this will be significantly easier20:41
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mingwandroidok. shall I just get the promote (or whatever gerrit calls it) ready then? There's very little changed really.20:45
Stskeeps:nod:20:46 is your friend20:46
mingwandroidyup. ok I'll grab my dinner soon though first then give it a read.20:46
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timophStskeeps: ack21:09
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Stskeeps , all enabled by:21:30
Stskeeps%ifarch armv7el21:30
Stskeepssb2install: sb2-tools-arm21:30
Stskeepssb2flags: --toolchain /opt/cross/bin/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc --qemu /usr/bin/qemu-arm-linaro-dynamic21:30
* Stskeeps likes21:30
Stskeepsqemu and toolchain delivered along with obs download21:32
Stskeepsthough some issues to be ironed out21:38
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_ThomasAnd you said this to your wife? :D23:36
_Thomaserh #wrong :D23:36
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* w00t was thinking that was an ironing joke for a moment23:40
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