Friday, 2011-12-09

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mingwandroidvgrade: you about?00:09
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HazardousWastertripzero: are you around?00:18
HazardousWasteri recognise your name from the openice00:18
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HazardousWasterif you're using mer for IVI i'd be interested in helping out with anything you might be working on - i'm setting it up for that too00:19
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mingwandroidnight00:30
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tripzeroHazardousWaster, yes, i'm here00:41
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HazardousWastertripzero: hiya01:04
HazardousWasterare you using mer for IVI?01:05
HazardousWasterand, if you are, are you alone in that?01:06
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tripzeroHazardousWaster, im not yet01:08
tripzeroI work on tizen ivi, so I hope mer will be able to use a lot of the stuff we create01:10
HazardousWasterah, ok01:11
tripzerowhy?01:13
HazardousWasteri've just started setting up my carpc01:14
HazardousWasteri'm trying to find others who are doing the same / already running them01:14
tripzeroi used to be the maintainer of linuxice01:14
HazardousWasteri had my eye on openICE for a while, then when i finally got a car, you'd all moved to meego, then when i finally got the PC that's waiting for tizen01:14
tripzeroahh01:15
HazardousWasteri saw your name on the forum :)01:15
tripzerolol01:15
tripzerocool01:15
tripzeroyeh, sadly there really isn't a solution that is as mature as linuxice was01:15
tripzeroi'm working hard to change that with tizen though01:16
HazardousWasterthat's great01:16
tripzeromer + plasma mobile may be a good starting point though in the meantime01:16
HazardousWasteryeah i've got my pc going with plasma active01:17
tripzeroon mer?01:17
HazardousWasterwell, not really01:18
HazardousWasteri'm using a meego 1.2.0 image01:18
HazardousWasternope sorry, 1.2.8001:18
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tripzeroahk01:19
tripzerowhat hardware?01:19
HazardousWastera zotac ionitx board and a lilliput 669GL01:19
HazardousWasternow i'm past configuration and writing qml to do the things i need, it makes me wonder if there's other people in the channel going the same way01:20
HazardousWasterthought you might be a good person to talk to with linuxice and all01:20
tripzerocool01:22
tripzerohave you gotten your 669GL to work with meego?01:22
tripzerothere are a bunch of us linuxice peeps in the #linuxice channel01:22
HazardousWasteryeah, but i cheated twice: i added xinerama to x11 and then i used the nvidia proprietary drivers01:23
tripzeroi mean the touchscreen part?01:23
HazardousWasteroh, it responds to touches, but calibration isn't going so well01:23
tripzerommm01:23
tripzerothat's about as far as I got01:23
tripzeroi couldnt' get it calibrated01:23
tripzeroegalax is b0rked in linux01:23
HazardousWasterswapaxes seemed to be ignored for me no matter how i specified it01:24
HazardousWasterxinput, xorg.conf etc.01:24
tripzeroyep01:24
tripzerothat's been the major holdup for me actually getting something in the car01:25
HazardousWasteri was trying that at 3am and i decided to leave it and come back some other time01:25
HazardousWasteri'm using synergy at the moment - obviously not in the car01:26
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iekkumorning04:28
* dcthang just preparing for lunch with sunshining and cool weather04:42
iekku:o04:45
iekkuno electricity?04:46
iekkuwait what?04:46
dcthangiekku: you are asking me?:P04:56
dm8tbrmoaning05:08
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FireFlyMorning05:21
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iekkui was...05:34
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Stskeepsmorn06:03
* Stskeeps passes iekku coffee06:03
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iekkucheers mate :D06:10
iekkuholy.... i'm tired... scary part: i'm @ office by car...06:11
Stskeepsdon't run into any reindeer or people from management06:12
Stskeeps:P06:12
iekkuthe last one is somehow nice idea...06:14
Stskeepsand no, elop does not give +5000 points06:14
Stskeeps:P06:14
iekku:(06:14
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marquizvgrade: pong, what did you have in mind?08:09
marquizvgrade: i think i was sleeping at the time you pinged me ;)08:09
vgrademarquiz, moring08:11
vgrademarquiz, you wre looking for N9 sacrifice08:12
marquizyeah ;)08:12
marquizfor trying out my modified moslo08:13
marquizi.e. if it can be used for dual-booting on n9 (on n950 it works)08:14
vgradeI'm keen to get my http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFbWDXTqLk on N908:14
vgrademarquiz, yea I've used on my N95008:14
vgradeI have 16BG N9 ready08:14
marquizi think the first thing would be to check if there is a moslo partition on the nand08:15
marquizboot harmattan and see what /dev/mtd* device nodes are present08:15
vgradedon't have the device to hand atm, its at home08:16
vgradewill ping later08:16
marquizvgrade: ok08:18
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marquizvgrade: i'm not available this evening, but back online prolly tomorrow morning08:26
vgradeI shall be back home in about an hour or so08:26
marquizvgrade: ah, ok08:27
marquizvgrade: if you see /dev/mtd5 and "cat /sys/class/mtd/mtd5/name" outputs "moslo", we might be lucky ;)08:28
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SageStskeeps: why the failed log is empty here http://qtl.merproject.org/46f93926-223d-11e1-b073-00163e6e0038.html08:35
Stskeepsprobably a fluke in obs08:36
Stskeepsyou know, when it returns 0-size things08:36
Stskeepschouchoune: yeah (re picture phone), that runs Mer ;)08:41
SageStskeeps: did we have git tree for mer package groups or just the http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/package-groups.git;a=summary ?08:42
Stskeepsno, it's part of project-core now08:42
Stskeepspackage-groups is still there but not used08:42
Sageah, ok08:42
Sagehttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=summary <- shouldn't this tell the clone url etc?08:43
Stskeepsyeah, just haven't made that part08:45
Stskeepsfile a bug please08:45
Stskeepsssh://username@review.merproject.org:29418/mer/project-core08:45
Sagehttps://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3608:47
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Stskeepsthanks08:48
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chouchouneStskeeps: the picture phone I posted on #tizen ?08:49
chouchouneNice ! ;)08:49
Stskeepsyeah08:49
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chouchouneWhy did they call it Tizen summit and not Mer summit ? :P08:50
Stskeepschouchoune: as far as i can tell, tizen would be a stamp for html5+wac+tizen services compliant products, not necessarily having to be efl, just have to pass tests and compliance..08:50
chouchouneyes, I was joking08:51
Stskeepsbut yeah.. :P08:51
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veskuhWas there anybody from Intel or Samsung in the summit?08:54
chouchouneveskuh: not in the program08:55
chouchouneso if there are, they're not speaking08:55
veskuhkinda wierd08:55
chouchouneyes08:55
chouchouneand no-one from Linux Foundation08:55
SageStskeeps: Does "Mer CLI Tools" sound a good name for "binutils, connman-test, diffutils, ofono-test, openssh-clients, vim-enhanced etc."?08:55
chouchouneIntel and LF were planned at the begionning, but not anymore08:55
chouchouneprobably they don't want it to be seen as "official"08:56
veskuhtrue. I wonder if they are going to work open source mode at all.08:56
chouchouneno idea08:56
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Stskeepsveskuh: i have significant doubts, but hey, at least we have Mer..09:00
Stskeeps:P09:00
SageStskeeps: ah, and the question was about package-group name :)09:00
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StskeepsSage: it sounds like a good name09:01
SageStskeeps: Also "Mer Debuging" or something for gdb and possibly some commonly used -debuginfo packages, e.g., dbus, glib2, glibc09:02
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SageStskeeps: btw, Tools or Utils? any preference?09:03
Stskeepslet's say Basic Utils or something09:03
StskeepsMer Tools is a different idea where we take a lot of useful stuff and release outside core09:04
SageMer Core Utils perhaps?09:04
Stskeepsmm, yeah09:04
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SageStskeeps: no createrepo in mer core?09:11
Stskeepsno yum09:12
Sageah09:13
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* Sage can't get the package groups to work09:34
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SageStskeeps: review.merproject.org/198 I couldn't get those to work with mic or zypper in image as separete repository so can't say for sure that those work :/09:38
Sagebut the current ones work from the release repo so those should too :P09:39
Stskeepsok09:39
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Stskeepsmorn mingwandroid10:41
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vgrademarquiz, mtd5 is moslo10:59
marquizvgrade: cool, then it might even work11:03
marquizvgrade: if you're adventurous enough to try it ;)11:04
vgradewhat do I need?11:07
marquizvgrade: bbl, gotta grab quick lunch ->11:10
vgradenp11:10
harbaumHi! I've heard the qtonpi people have been announced ... any mer people among them?11:12
vgradeharbaum, we have a few, I think you are on the list11:13
vgradehttp://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program/Accepted#Linux_stacks11:14
harbaumAh ... cool :-)11:15
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harbaumFinally a plattform mith more contributors than myself :-) should be fun to work in agroup11:15
matrixxharbaum: yeah, we have a combined group (Mer & Taku) where we look forward to work on things which are common to both stacks11:23
matrixxor actually it's combined group with all linux stacks, just noticed some new members have been added11:24
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marquizback11:41
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vgrademarquiz, \o11:54
marquizvgrade: if you REALLY want to try the moslo, i put quick instructions here11:54
marquizhttp://wiki.meego.com/User:Marquiz/N950#Dual_booting_with_modified_MOSLO11:54
marquizvgrade: remember the usual void warranty, i take no responsibility etc. ;)11:54
marquizthe usual disclaimers, that is11:55
marquizand, it has really not been tested on n9 :/11:55
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vgradeI have no warranty11:55
marquizvgrade: ok11:56
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marquizvgrade: one note, when you install or load my modified moslo, it automatically tries to repartition your eMMC11:57
marquizto create a partition and fs for the 2nd OS11:57
marquizyou can telnet into the initrd in case of emergency11:58
marquizvgrade: and, i'm off in 15 minutes and won't be back online until tomorrow morning or so ;)11:59
vgrademarquiz, does it work out 16MB vs 64MB11:59
mingwandroidStskeeps: hey.11:59
marquiz*should* work with both11:59
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mingwandroidStskeeps: how's it going? Seems my use last word thing wasn't robust enough. I used sed instead.12:00
vgradeI will give it a go later, I'll let you know12:00
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vgrademarquiz, btw, thanks12:00
Stskeepsmingwandroid: i'm good, playing around with some cross compilation stuff12:00
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marquizvgrade: k12:02
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marquizvgrade: i'm eagerly waiting for you "results" :D12:03
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damnshockis there a release from yesterday?12:10
Stskeepsof Nemo? no12:10
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Stskeepsof Mer? yes12:10
damnshockStskeeps: where can I download the image? if there is any12:11
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damnshockhttp://codex.xiaoka.com/pub/mer/ <-- there?12:12
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damnshockthat looks like outdated :S12:12
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Stskeepsdamnshock: mer doesn't have images really, it's just a core without a UI or a hardware adaptaton12:14
Stskeepsyou'll see it used in Plasma Active images or Nemo, etc12:14
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damnshockoh, I though there were hardware adaptation, my bad12:15
Stskeepsnah, it means that we can keep out a lot of politics12:15
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damnshockthat's so true12:16
mingwandroidStskeeps: you trying my compilers yet? are they ready yet? ;-)12:17
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Stskeepsmingwandroid: nah, something else, i'm working on integrating Scratchbox2 in Mer - i made a prototype some time back for local builds and had really good results, so now i'm trying to make it into something usable for the Mer OBS (and general community)12:20
mingwandroidah ok.12:20
Stskeepsgive me the url for your OBS project again?12:20
mingwandroidhttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Araydonnelly%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai586how are my compilers looking to you atm? I did a fix last night.12:21
Stskeepswell, at least the GCC_VER is correct now12:23
Stskeepsbut we screwed the ordering12:23
Stskeepsdisable the cross-armv7*-accel, wipebinaries it, let the gcc on ARM side finish building, re-enable the cross-armv7*-accel12:24
Stskeeps(BTW, not sure if i noted, but it acting like this is for sure a bug in the current toolchain, not any of your fault)12:24
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mingwandroidok mate, will do shortly.12:39
Stskeepsthanks12:41
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Stskeepshope it's okay i'm making you jump through the hoops instead of just doing it myself, as to help you learn a bit about this stuff :)12:41
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* marquiz1 is in a bus on his way to turku, finland12:48
Stskeepssounds like a nice trip for the weekend12:48
marquiz1Yep;) the weather is absolutely horrible12:49
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marquiz1I'll be back in helsinki already around midnight, today12:51
veskuhYour trust to railcompany was so high, you preferred bus?12:52
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marquiz1Veskuh: that's probably good reasoning :D but, we're a bigger group so bus is more flexible (and cheaper and more reliable, i guess)12:55
veskuhmarquiz: ah :)12:55
marquiz1Is gprs data supposed to work in latest nemo testing image on n950?12:56
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marquiz1I tried to irc with that but didn't get a connection12:56
veskuhno, https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012:56
veskuhno idea what is wrong12:57
marquiz1Veskuh: Ah, goog, thanks for the info12:57
marquiz1Is somebody investigating that?12:57
veskuhalso does not work on n900, so there is regression, since it was working at some point.12:57
marquiz1K12:58
veskuhmarquiz1: no12:58
Sagemarquiz1: we should update the ofono stuff and the problem there was that the n900 is also using n950 driver because of the udev hack12:58
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Sagemarquiz1: and welcome to turku btw ;)12:59
marquiz1Sage: thanks! ;)13:00
marquiz1Sage: we have a christmas concert in tuomiokirkko @19, so welcome there (buy a ticket) :D13:01
marquiz1Sage: so gprs data on n900 works if the correct driver is used?13:02
StskeepsHazardousWaster: you might know this.. terminal mode, is the server part OSS anywhere?13:02
Sagemarquiz1: haven't tried, but it used to work :)13:02
HazardousWasterwow13:02
HazardousWasteri feel like a lecturer just woke me up - i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about13:03
StskeepsHazardousWaster: sorry :) you know, http://www.terminalmode.org/13:03
Stskeepsbasically linking cellphone display to cars13:03
HazardousWasterinteresting. i've never seen it, but i'm interested in it. i'd considered writing an android app to do something similar13:04
Stskeeps:nod:13:04
HazardousWasterbut the website says it uses VNC13:04
marquiz1Sage: k, might be worth testing when i have time13:05
HazardousWaster.... which is a good start13:05
HazardousWasterit does not appear that the servers are OSS, but i've only been reading the site and googling quickly ;)13:07
Stskeeps:nod:13:07
HazardousWasterwhat client are we talking about here? mer?13:09
Stskeepsfor example, i think that part is oss13:09
Stskeepswhat are the "big" in-car computer oss projects anyway? i must admit i'm not well versed in IVI so13:09
Stskeepslike, those that have actual communities13:09
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HazardousWastertbh i'm not that experienced with it, tripzero would know better. for end-users i think centrafuse is the most popular, it's a monolithic frontend for WinXP13:10
Stskeeps:nod:13:10
Stskeepslinuxice looks dead13:10
HazardousWasterlinuxice merged themselves into meego IVI13:11
Stskeepsah13:11
w00theh, well, that was a smart decision ..13:11
HazardousWasterhehe13:11
HazardousWasterso as far as i can tell, on the linux side, this is it13:11
StskeepsHazardousWaster: did you by any chance see Lipstick?13:12
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HazardousWasterthe qml toolkit?13:12
Stskeepsyeah, the one to make homescreens with, basically13:13
Stskeeps(and task switchers)13:13
HazardousWasternope, i haven't, i'll check it out13:13
Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM13:13
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HazardousWastermanufacturer-side i'm not aware of anyone who uses centrafuse but i think there were a couple who based stuff on meego13:14
HazardousWasterlipstick looks pretty neat13:15
Stskeepsshould be a blast to do ivi interfaces with it13:15
HazardousWasteri'm actually having a really good time with plasma active. i'm writing my frontend to replace the lockscreen - so you can unlock to use 'normal computer' but then it'll idle back to a simple navigation/audio screen13:16
Stskeeps:nod:13:16
HazardousWasterso anyway, what's the interest in mirrorlink/terminalmode?13:17
Stskeepsjust curious, it seems like a nice component to have off the shel13:17
Stskeepsf13:17
HazardousWasteraah13:18
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mingwandroidStskeeps: I'll not be able to do any mer work until tomorrow now, but if you want, feel free to muck about with my repos!14:43
Stskeepsok, can you hang on 5 minutes?14:43
mingwandroidyeah14:43
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Stskeepsmingwandroid: can you make my userid lowercase in Users?14:44
mingwandroidyeah14:47
Stskeepsok14:48
Stskeepsbecause it seems it blows up when uppecase14:48
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mingwandroidStskeeps: done14:50
Stskeepsthanks14:50
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chouchouneStskeeps: another picture from the Mer/Steelrat/Novomok/(Tizen) concept phone ;)15:54
chouchounehttp://identi.ca/attachment/6202105715:54
Stskeeps:nod:15:55
Tujuany good ideas how could i power up n950?16:04
chouchounehttp://twitter.com/#!/mitsutaka_amano/status/144979053517082625/photo/1 (Steelrat, so Mer again (?) ;))16:07
kimjuTuju, a battery or an usb-cable? :)16:07
Tujui think the batt is drained and it doesn't seem to charge it16:08
Tujulast thing i did with it was bricked it with OTA that got offered16:08
kimjuTuju, just try to connect the usb cable and let it charge for a while. and then reflash?16:11
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Tujukimju: i'm charging it through usb 5v-power-cable-adapter but it doesn't appear to take charging16:49
Tujuit lits the small white led for while when i plug it in but then gives up and goes dark16:49
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felipecis sound supposed to work on N900?17:19
Stskeepsyes, at least we make phonecalls with it17:19
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felipecStskeeps: I see, I guess I should go back to an old kernel =/17:26
Stskeepswhat are you trying out?17:27
Stskeepswe do set some alsa mixer settings17:27
felipecStskeeps: I'm trying to enable audio on 3.117:28
felipecit doesn't detect anything17:28
Stskeepsit being it doesn't even get detected in kernel?17:30
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Stskeepsverify you have the patches made by Jarkko Nikula in the kernel perhaps?17:31
Stskeepsi think he at least attempted upstreaming of a lot of it17:32
felipecStskeeps: I mean, the module is there, and it loads, but no card is detected17:32
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Stskeepshmm17:32
felipecyou use .37, right?17:33
Stskeepsyes17:33
Stskeepslatest kernel work we have is the beginnings of a 3.0 rebase, at https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_kernel/commits/n9xx-v3.0-wip17:34
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felipecStskeeps: you might want to pick this one: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/122662617:46
Stskeeps:nod:17:46
Stskeepsi'll file a bug for nemomobile hw adaptation17:47
Stskeepshttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4517:49
felipecStskeeps: so basically it's upstream + SGX patches?17:51
Stskeepsbbl food, at least the 3.0 stuff was enough to get SGX working and device booting17:53
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Stskeepsmatrixx: rodal (Samuel Rødal): Qt developer working for Nokia on Qt 5 and Lighthouse. I'd like to investigate a bit into the possibility of running multi-process Qt 5 with Wayland on the raspberry pi, and playing with the OpenGL driver to figure out how to get the best performance out of it for Qt 5's QML scenegraph. ,, is for sure interesting for linux stack18:10
Stskeepsmdfe_: ping18:14
mdfe_hi18:14
Stskeepswhere did you have that compile error qtwebkit 2.2?18:14
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mdfe_yepp18:15
mdfe_for armv7hl18:15
Stskeepsyep - got the source package anywhere?18:15
Stskeepswe have new toolchain to test18:15
mdfe_there is also a ticket18:15
mdfe_awesome :)18:15
Stskeepsmingwandroid: disabling , wipebinaries and waiting for gcc to build, and then enable, worked18:15
mingwandroidStskeeps: Great!18:16
Stskeepsmdfe_: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=qtwebkit&project=Project%3AKDE%3AMer_Extras <- this one?18:16
mdfe_mom18:16
Stskeepsmingwandroid: i also enabled armv6l18:16
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mingwandroidStskeeps: Linaro 2011.12 was released today/yesterday...18:16
mdfe_yepp18:16
mingwandroidStskeeps: I'll update to that (or feel free yourself if you've got time)18:16
Stskeepsok18:16
tripzero<w00t> heh, well, that was a smart decision .18:16
tripzerotell me about it :P18:16
mingwandroidStskeeps: If I do it it won't be until tomorrow. You'll be around?18:17
Stskeepsmingwandroid: yeah, i have a weekend to myself18:17
w00ttripzero: no offense intended!18:17
w00t:P18:17
mingwandroidok. are you able to test using this new gcc then?18:17
Stskeepsyes, i'm going to check a couple of existing toolchain bugs against it18:17
pdanek1Stskeeps: hey!, just offtopic ask, what is your desktop/laptop linux distro preference? :-]18:18
mingwandroidwill you be able to help me with getting local build working? I'd test your existing with what's there (2011.11) and also with 2011.12 on the weekend maybe.18:18
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Stskeepspdanek1: anything that can run xterm and a browser, pidgin18:18
Stskeepspdanek1: i use fedora myself18:19
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pdanek1Stskeeps: hah, ok :) I'm just interested to ask people sometimes18:19
Stskeepspdanek1: i used to use ubuntu until one day it made me want to throw the laptop out of the window18:19
Stskeepsso it goes18:19
pdanek1Stskeeps: been on Fedora as well, but I get pissed of from "permanent beta state" :D trying out Arch Linux and love it ;)18:20
Stskeepsmingwandroid: yes18:20
shadeslayerHi, Has anyone had success getting Mer to run on a Asus transformer?18:20
tripzerow00t, I know :).  I had good rational for the decision.  just didn't work out as planned.18:20
shadeslayerThe wiki page has screenshots and some links to git repos, but that's about it18:20
Stskeepstripzero: heh, same thought i had in my head about our decision to join meego and halt Mer efforts back in the day..18:21
Stskeeps:P18:21
tripzerohaha18:21
tripzerotrue!18:21
mingwandroidok great!18:22
Stskeepsmingwandroid: i'm trying qtwebkit against it18:22
Stskeepsit's always a nice test18:22
tripzeroi thought about reviving linuxice after meego died.  then i finally got moved to actually work on tizen ivi, so we'll see if we can get anything done there...18:22
mingwandroidshadeslayer: yeah. people have indeed (but not me, I did the advent vega kernel work..)18:22
Stskeepstripzero: hope it works out, i'm personally waiting for the day to come when we finally can see the source and well, what the heck tizen is actually about ;)18:23
Stskeepsbut yeah, a reset occasionally helps to put things done right18:23
tripzeroi hear ya18:23
mingwandroidok I got to go to xmas do tonight. speak tomorrow!18:23
Stskeepscya mingwandroid18:23
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mingwandroidcheers.18:23
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Stskeepsmm, christmas beer sounds good18:23
mdfe_Stskeeps: PA use the qtwebkit packaging from CE:MW:PlasmaActive18:24
Stskeepsmdfe_: ok18:24
Stskeepseither way, it's qtwebkit2.218:24
Stskeepsif it succeeds to build i'm just happy ;)18:24
mdfe_me too :)18:24
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pdanek1are you guys actually speaking about any news from China Tizen summit? :)18:26
shadeslayerYep, I can't seem to find any more details other than "Here are some awesome screenshots" and "Here's a git repo with the kernel in it"18:27
Stskeepspdanek1: there's some nice looking Mer demos from it, at least18:27
Stskeepsthere's no real tizen products so, well18:28
Stskeeps:P18:28
Stskeeps(yet)18:28
pdanek1hah18:29
Stskeepseither way, let's not mock tizen, there's good people working on it who highly likely isn't too satisfied with the way it's being handled. and same efforts is what gives us a resource push into common Mer components, such as connman, ofono, etc18:31
Stskeepsi'm looking forward to the day when i can again collaborate with those people in the open, personally18:31
Stskeeps:P18:31
pdanek1I see18:33
pdanek1btw18:35
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pdanek1GTA04 devices should be available for order from December 19 :)18:35
pdanek1but there's probably no reason for buying anyway18:36
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Stskeepshttp://www.theverge.com/2011/12/9/2623943/webos-being-open-sourced-says-hp18:46
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marquiz1Sage: didn't see you at tuomiokirkko ;)18:49
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felipecnope .37 doesn't work either18:52
Stskeepshmmm18:52
felipecbrb18:52
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slaineStskeeps: was just about to paste that19:07
slaineSweet19:07
mdfe_cya, nice weekend19:07
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Stskeepswell, let's see how it works out19:07
Stskeepsi'm naturally spectical after the whole meego deal :)19:07
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Stskeeps\o/19:14
StskeepsWrote: /home/abuild/rpmbuild/RPMS/armv7hl/libqtwebkit4-2.2.0-5.1.armv7hl.rpm19:14
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slaineStskeeps: more interesting in what it means for Tizen really19:24
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Stskeepsi'm curious about impact on Mer too19:25
Stskeepsespecially when you compare the open source parts of webos vs mer stack19:25
slaineWell, no reason why we can't have a webOS layer on mer19:25
Stskeeps:nod:19:25
phaerondid they announce the license yet ?19:26
Stskeepsnot afaik19:26
slainegiven that the os base is not that interesting to most people, but fundamental to the project, I can only see it as a good thing19:26
phaeronit could be draconian and then the open sourcing will be practically irrelevant19:26
slainecan't see why they'd do that19:27
Stskeepsphaeron: well, they say good, transparent and meritocratic governance, that usually means it's not draconian..19:27
phaeroncorporations have different meanings of open and transparent19:27
Stskeepsof course, they said that about meego too ;)19:27
phaeron;)19:27
Stskeepsphaeron: are you able to run the OBS test suite btw?19:27
phaeronexactly19:27
Stskeepsif one exists19:27
phaeronStskeeps: yes19:27
phaeronthere's an api test suite19:28
Stskeepshttp://www.precentral.net/open-source-plan19:28
Stskeepsinteresting19:28
Stskeepsphaeron: so i've been working on integrating scratchbox2 into OBS for Mer -- ie, providing a different cross compile method19:29
Stskeepsand i might need someone to help review them19:29
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Stskeepsignore the scratchbox part, if that gives you twitches19:29
phaeronI was just going to say I want nothing to do with sbox19:29
Stskeepssb2 is actually a lot saner from a OBS pov19:30
Stskeepsi don't touch the ARM chroot, at all19:30
Stskeepsand i can even accelerate things like autoreconf (perl) and qmake19:30
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* phaeron needs to read more.19:31
* araujo encapsulates phaeron inside sbox19:31
phaeronthe only time I tried to encapsulate sbox in imager I wasted 2 weeks19:32
Stskeepsyeah, sb1 = not good, sb2 = slightly cooler19:32
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Stskeepsjust think of it as an invisible hand that can map ARM target's /bin/bash  to /bin/bash X8619:32
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phaeronwithout the rpath and baselibs.conf tricks ?19:32
Stskeepsyah19:32
phaeronoh19:32
Stskeepsi don't even do anything special19:32
phaeroninteresting19:33
Stskeepswell, we patch glibc with 3 patches but those seem sane19:33
felipecyeah, sb2 is cool19:33
Stskeepsthat's about it19:33
Stskeepsso i use stock x86 binaries19:33
phaeronso bootstrapping becomes easier and you can accel more stuff19:34
Stskeepsright19:34
phaeronhmm so you want to use the obs test suite for what ?19:34
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Stskeepswell, i've added a keyword as a start, SB2install:19:34
Stskeepsand i want to upstream this stuff19:34
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Stskeepsmy modifications are in 'build' mostly19:35
Stskeepsso pondering how extensive the test suite is19:36
vgradeStskeeps, nice one on the compiler19:37
phaeronit tests the api19:37
phaeronso api, repserver , srcserver, scheduler maybe19:37
phaeronI don't think it goes deep to build19:37
Stskeepsok19:38
phaeronone second I had the command somewhere19:39
phaeronso in an obs git checkout you do : git submodule init ; git submodule update ; cd src/api; RAILS_ENV="test" rake db:setup; rake19:43
Stskeepsah19:43
* phaeron ot: wants to learn qml19:45
phaeronwhy are there only 24h in a day19:46
Stskeepsmy wife was able to get started quite easily with qt components for symbian19:46
phaerontime is the problem19:47
pdanek24h is definitely not enough, should be changed19:47
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phaeronlet's move to pluto19:48
Stskeepscloning could also be an option19:48
marquiz1Vgrade: did you test moslo? ;)19:50
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vgrademarquiz1, not yet, buliding up to it19:59
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marquiz1vgrade: np, i guess i'll be fading out soon ;)20:08
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Sagemarquiz1: hehe, I have guests coming tomorrow so need to clean a bit ;)20:21
marquiz1Sage: acceptable :-)20:23
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Stskeepsa bad evening: when you discover the difference between ARM1176JZ-S and ARM1176JZF-S20:30
felipecStskeeps: is there a pulseaudio configuration somewhere?20:32
Stskeepsfelipec: yes, it's all oss - alsa settings is likely to be a good start though20:32
felipecStskeeps: which alsa settings?20:33
Stskeepssec20:33
kimjuStskeeps, only *F* contains floating point unit? or did you find something undocumented?20:35
Stskeepskimju: it comes down to memory barriers that is claimed to be in ARMv6 and forth20:37
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Stskeepsie __sync_synchronize and friends20:37
Stskeepsit turns out this is only in ARMv6-K20:37
Stskeepsif i switch mer to armv6-k, n8x0 port will be breaking, but raspberry pi one will work20:38
Stskeepsarmv6-k is only in ARM1176JZF-S ;)20:38
kimju"The only functional difference between the ARM1176JZ-S and ARM1176JZF-S processor is that the ARM1176JZF-S processor includes a Vector Floating-Point (VFP) coprocessor." -- http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0333h/I1000175.html20:40
Stskeepshmm20:40
Stskeepsactually, it seems like i found a genuine gcc bug20:41
Stskeepsit's not supposed to be armv6-k20:41
kimjuhmm, iirc there was some talk about gcc generating wrong armv* code in linux-omap ml earlier this year.20:46
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marquiz1Radio silence for me...20:52
marquiz1C ya20:53
Stskeepscya20:53
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Venemohi :)20:56
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felipecStskeeps: what about that config?21:06
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Stskeepsfelipec: sorry, got distracted - https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=pulseaudio-settings-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 , but scripts in http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_nokia-n900-configs/trees/MeeGo_1.1 may be useful too21:10
vgradeok, time for N9 moslo21:10
_av500_Stskeeps: met a 770 user today, any chance for mer on it? :)21:13
Stskeeps_av500_: theoretically you can do a armv5 port without big issue21:17
Stskeeps_av500_: i'm afraid to know what kind of alignment issues there are though21:17
Stskeepsbut 64mb is a bit tight21:17
_av500_right21:18
_av500_i put a :)21:18
Stskeeps:nod:21:19
Stskeepskernel's an issue too, at least if you want wifi ;)21:19
_av500_who'd want that21:21
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felipecStskeeps: interesting... I was look at something like that... but it seems there's a lot of custom modules... I want something to work with vanilla pulseaudio, plus module-alsa-source-old is gone21:26
felipecI guess it's time to build a simple pa configuration :)21:26
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pdanek1WebOS became opensource, have you guys noticed? :O21:53
pdanek1news from today21:53
leiniryeah, still kind of not clear how much of it's opened...21:54
_av500_webkit21:56
_av500_:)21:56
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befordmaybe we can get some good stuff from webos :P22:05
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felipecStskeeps: looks like this is the modern way: load-module module-alsa-card device_id=0 profile_set=nokia-rx51.conf rate=48000 sink_name=sink.hw0 source_name=source.hw022:36
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felipecStskeeps: looks like sound has to be built-in, it doesn't work as module22:59
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