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| HazardousWaster | tripzero: are you around? | 00:18 |
| HazardousWaster | i recognise your name from the openice | 00:18 |
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| HazardousWaster | if you're using mer for IVI i'd be interested in helping out with anything you might be working on - i'm setting it up for that too | 00:19 |
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| mingwandroid | night | 00:30 |
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| tripzero | HazardousWaster, yes, i'm here | 00:41 |
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| HazardousWaster | tripzero: hiya | 01:04 |
| HazardousWaster | are you using mer for IVI? | 01:05 |
| HazardousWaster | and, if you are, are you alone in that? | 01:06 |
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| tripzero | HazardousWaster, im not yet | 01:08 |
| tripzero | I work on tizen ivi, so I hope mer will be able to use a lot of the stuff we create | 01:10 |
| HazardousWaster | ah, ok | 01:11 |
| tripzero | why? | 01:13 |
| HazardousWaster | i've just started setting up my carpc | 01:14 |
| HazardousWaster | i'm trying to find others who are doing the same / already running them | 01:14 |
| tripzero | i used to be the maintainer of linuxice | 01:14 |
| HazardousWaster | i had my eye on openICE for a while, then when i finally got a car, you'd all moved to meego, then when i finally got the PC that's waiting for tizen | 01:14 |
| tripzero | ahh | 01:15 |
| HazardousWaster | i saw your name on the forum :) | 01:15 |
| tripzero | lol | 01:15 |
| tripzero | cool | 01:15 |
| tripzero | yeh, sadly there really isn't a solution that is as mature as linuxice was | 01:15 |
| tripzero | i'm working hard to change that with tizen though | 01:16 |
| HazardousWaster | that's great | 01:16 |
| tripzero | mer + plasma mobile may be a good starting point though in the meantime | 01:16 |
| HazardousWaster | yeah i've got my pc going with plasma active | 01:17 |
| tripzero | on mer? | 01:17 |
| HazardousWaster | well, not really | 01:18 |
| HazardousWaster | i'm using a meego 1.2.0 image | 01:18 |
| HazardousWaster | nope sorry, 1.2.80 | 01:18 |
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| tripzero | ahk | 01:19 |
| tripzero | what hardware? | 01:19 |
| HazardousWaster | a zotac ionitx board and a lilliput 669GL | 01:19 |
| HazardousWaster | now i'm past configuration and writing qml to do the things i need, it makes me wonder if there's other people in the channel going the same way | 01:20 |
| HazardousWaster | thought you might be a good person to talk to with linuxice and all | 01:20 |
| tripzero | cool | 01:22 |
| tripzero | have you gotten your 669GL to work with meego? | 01:22 |
| tripzero | there are a bunch of us linuxice peeps in the #linuxice channel | 01:22 |
| HazardousWaster | yeah, but i cheated twice: i added xinerama to x11 and then i used the nvidia proprietary drivers | 01:23 |
| tripzero | i mean the touchscreen part? | 01:23 |
| HazardousWaster | oh, it responds to touches, but calibration isn't going so well | 01:23 |
| tripzero | mmm | 01:23 |
| tripzero | that's about as far as I got | 01:23 |
| tripzero | i couldnt' get it calibrated | 01:23 |
| tripzero | egalax is b0rked in linux | 01:23 |
| HazardousWaster | swapaxes seemed to be ignored for me no matter how i specified it | 01:24 |
| HazardousWaster | xinput, xorg.conf etc. | 01:24 |
| tripzero | yep | 01:24 |
| tripzero | that's been the major holdup for me actually getting something in the car | 01:25 |
| HazardousWaster | i was trying that at 3am and i decided to leave it and come back some other time | 01:25 |
| HazardousWaster | i'm using synergy at the moment - obviously not in the car | 01:26 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:28 |
| * dcthang just preparing for lunch with sunshining and cool weather | 04:42 | |
| iekku | :o | 04:45 |
| iekku | no electricity? | 04:46 |
| iekku | wait what? | 04:46 |
| dcthang | iekku: you are asking me?:P | 04:56 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 05:08 |
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| FireFly | Morning | 05:21 |
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| iekku | i was... | 05:34 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:03 |
| * Stskeeps passes iekku coffee | 06:03 | |
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| iekku | cheers mate :D | 06:10 |
| iekku | holy.... i'm tired... scary part: i'm @ office by car... | 06:11 |
| Stskeeps | don't run into any reindeer or people from management | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:12 |
| iekku | the last one is somehow nice idea... | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | and no, elop does not give +5000 points | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:14 |
| iekku | :( | 06:14 |
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| marquiz | vgrade: pong, what did you have in mind? | 08:09 |
| marquiz | vgrade: i think i was sleeping at the time you pinged me ;) | 08:09 |
| vgrade | marquiz, moring | 08:11 |
| vgrade | marquiz, you wre looking for N9 sacrifice | 08:12 |
| marquiz | yeah ;) | 08:12 |
| marquiz | for trying out my modified moslo | 08:13 |
| marquiz | i.e. if it can be used for dual-booting on n9 (on n950 it works) | 08:14 |
| vgrade | I'm keen to get my http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFbWDXTqLk on N9 | 08:14 |
| vgrade | marquiz, yea I've used on my N950 | 08:14 |
| vgrade | I have 16BG N9 ready | 08:14 |
| marquiz | i think the first thing would be to check if there is a moslo partition on the nand | 08:15 |
| marquiz | boot harmattan and see what /dev/mtd* device nodes are present | 08:15 |
| vgrade | don't have the device to hand atm, its at home | 08:16 |
| vgrade | will ping later | 08:16 |
| marquiz | vgrade: ok | 08:18 |
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| marquiz | vgrade: i'm not available this evening, but back online prolly tomorrow morning | 08:26 |
| vgrade | I shall be back home in about an hour or so | 08:26 |
| marquiz | vgrade: ah, ok | 08:27 |
| marquiz | vgrade: if you see /dev/mtd5 and "cat /sys/class/mtd/mtd5/name" outputs "moslo", we might be lucky ;) | 08:28 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: why the failed log is empty here http://qtl.merproject.org/46f93926-223d-11e1-b073-00163e6e0038.html | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | probably a fluke in obs | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | you know, when it returns 0-size things | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: yeah (re picture phone), that runs Mer ;) | 08:41 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: did we have git tree for mer package groups or just the http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/package-groups.git;a=summary ? | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's part of project-core now | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | package-groups is still there but not used | 08:42 |
| Sage | ah, ok | 08:42 |
| Sage | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=summary <- shouldn't this tell the clone url etc? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just haven't made that part | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug please | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | ssh://username@review.merproject.org:29418/mer/project-core | 08:45 |
| Sage | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36 | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks | 08:48 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: the picture phone I posted on #tizen ? | 08:49 |
| chouchoune | Nice ! ;) | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:49 |
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| chouchoune | Why did they call it Tizen summit and not Mer summit ? :P | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: as far as i can tell, tizen would be a stamp for html5+wac+tizen services compliant products, not necessarily having to be efl, just have to pass tests and compliance.. | 08:50 |
| chouchoune | yes, I was joking | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah.. :P | 08:51 |
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| veskuh | Was there anybody from Intel or Samsung in the summit? | 08:54 |
| chouchoune | veskuh: not in the program | 08:55 |
| chouchoune | so if there are, they're not speaking | 08:55 |
| veskuh | kinda wierd | 08:55 |
| chouchoune | yes | 08:55 |
| chouchoune | and no-one from Linux Foundation | 08:55 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: Does "Mer CLI Tools" sound a good name for "binutils, connman-test, diffutils, ofono-test, openssh-clients, vim-enhanced etc."? | 08:55 |
| chouchoune | Intel and LF were planned at the begionning, but not anymore | 08:55 |
| chouchoune | probably they don't want it to be seen as "official" | 08:56 |
| veskuh | true. I wonder if they are going to work open source mode at all. | 08:56 |
| chouchoune | no idea | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | veskuh: i have significant doubts, but hey, at least we have Mer.. | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:00 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ah, and the question was about package-group name :) | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: it sounds like a good name | 09:01 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: Also "Mer Debuging" or something for gdb and possibly some commonly used -debuginfo packages, e.g., dbus, glib2, glibc | 09:02 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, Tools or Utils? any preference? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | let's say Basic Utils or something | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | Mer Tools is a different idea where we take a lot of useful stuff and release outside core | 09:04 |
| Sage | Mer Core Utils perhaps? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | mm, yeah | 09:04 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: no createrepo in mer core? | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | no yum | 09:12 |
| Sage | ah | 09:13 |
| Sage | hmp | 09:14 |
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| * Sage can't get the package groups to work | 09:34 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: review.merproject.org/198 I couldn't get those to work with mic or zypper in image as separete repository so can't say for sure that those work :/ | 09:38 |
| Sage | but the current ones work from the release repo so those should too :P | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | morn mingwandroid | 10:41 |
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| vgrade | marquiz, mtd5 is moslo | 10:59 |
| marquiz | vgrade: cool, then it might even work | 11:03 |
| marquiz | vgrade: if you're adventurous enough to try it ;) | 11:04 |
| vgrade | what do I need? | 11:07 |
| marquiz | vgrade: bbl, gotta grab quick lunch -> | 11:10 |
| vgrade | np | 11:10 |
| harbaum | Hi! I've heard the qtonpi people have been announced ... any mer people among them? | 11:12 |
| vgrade | harbaum, we have a few, I think you are on the list | 11:13 |
| vgrade | http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program/Accepted#Linux_stacks | 11:14 |
| harbaum | Ah ... cool :-) | 11:15 |
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| harbaum | Finally a plattform mith more contributors than myself :-) should be fun to work in agroup | 11:15 |
| matrixx | harbaum: yeah, we have a combined group (Mer & Taku) where we look forward to work on things which are common to both stacks | 11:23 |
| matrixx | or actually it's combined group with all linux stacks, just noticed some new members have been added | 11:24 |
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| marquiz | back | 11:41 |
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| vgrade | marquiz, \o | 11:54 |
| marquiz | vgrade: if you REALLY want to try the moslo, i put quick instructions here | 11:54 |
| marquiz | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Marquiz/N950#Dual_booting_with_modified_MOSLO | 11:54 |
| marquiz | vgrade: remember the usual void warranty, i take no responsibility etc. ;) | 11:54 |
| marquiz | the usual disclaimers, that is | 11:55 |
| marquiz | and, it has really not been tested on n9 :/ | 11:55 |
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| vgrade | I have no warranty | 11:55 |
| marquiz | vgrade: ok | 11:56 |
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| marquiz | vgrade: one note, when you install or load my modified moslo, it automatically tries to repartition your eMMC | 11:57 |
| marquiz | to create a partition and fs for the 2nd OS | 11:57 |
| marquiz | you can telnet into the initrd in case of emergency | 11:58 |
| marquiz | vgrade: and, i'm off in 15 minutes and won't be back online until tomorrow morning or so ;) | 11:59 |
| vgrade | marquiz, does it work out 16MB vs 64MB | 11:59 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: hey. | 11:59 |
| marquiz | *should* work with both | 11:59 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: how's it going? Seems my use last word thing wasn't robust enough. I used sed instead. | 12:00 |
| vgrade | I will give it a go later, I'll let you know | 12:00 |
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| vgrade | marquiz, btw, thanks | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i'm good, playing around with some cross compilation stuff | 12:00 |
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| marquiz | vgrade: k | 12:02 |
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| marquiz | vgrade: i'm eagerly waiting for you "results" :D | 12:03 |
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| damnshock | is there a release from yesterday? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | of Nemo? no | 12:10 |
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| Stskeeps | of Mer? yes | 12:10 |
| damnshock | Stskeeps: where can I download the image? if there is any | 12:11 |
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| damnshock | http://codex.xiaoka.com/pub/mer/ <-- there? | 12:12 |
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| damnshock | that looks like outdated :S | 12:12 |
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| Stskeeps | damnshock: mer doesn't have images really, it's just a core without a UI or a hardware adaptaton | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | you'll see it used in Plasma Active images or Nemo, etc | 12:14 |
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| damnshock | oh, I though there were hardware adaptation, my bad | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it means that we can keep out a lot of politics | 12:15 |
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| damnshock | that's so true | 12:16 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: you trying my compilers yet? are they ready yet? ;-) | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: nah, something else, i'm working on integrating Scratchbox2 in Mer - i made a prototype some time back for local builds and had really good results, so now i'm trying to make it into something usable for the Mer OBS (and general community) | 12:20 |
| mingwandroid | ah ok. | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | give me the url for your OBS project again? | 12:20 |
| mingwandroid | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Araydonnelly%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai586how are my compilers looking to you atm? I did a fix last night. | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least the GCC_VER is correct now | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | but we screwed the ordering | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | disable the cross-armv7*-accel, wipebinaries it, let the gcc on ARM side finish building, re-enable the cross-armv7*-accel | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | (BTW, not sure if i noted, but it acting like this is for sure a bug in the current toolchain, not any of your fault) | 12:24 |
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| mingwandroid | ok mate, will do shortly. | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hope it's okay i'm making you jump through the hoops instead of just doing it myself, as to help you learn a bit about this stuff :) | 12:41 |
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| * marquiz1 is in a bus on his way to turku, finland | 12:48 | |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a nice trip for the weekend | 12:48 |
| marquiz1 | Yep;) the weather is absolutely horrible | 12:49 |
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| marquiz1 | I'll be back in helsinki already around midnight, today | 12:51 |
| veskuh | Your trust to railcompany was so high, you preferred bus? | 12:52 |
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| marquiz1 | Veskuh: that's probably good reasoning :D but, we're a bigger group so bus is more flexible (and cheaper and more reliable, i guess) | 12:55 |
| veskuh | marquiz: ah :) | 12:55 |
| marquiz1 | Is gprs data supposed to work in latest nemo testing image on n950? | 12:56 |
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| marquiz1 | I tried to irc with that but didn't get a connection | 12:56 |
| veskuh | no, https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 | 12:56 |
| veskuh | no idea what is wrong | 12:57 |
| marquiz1 | Veskuh: Ah, goog, thanks for the info | 12:57 |
| marquiz1 | Is somebody investigating that? | 12:57 |
| veskuh | also does not work on n900, so there is regression, since it was working at some point. | 12:57 |
| marquiz1 | K | 12:58 |
| veskuh | marquiz1: no | 12:58 |
| Sage | marquiz1: we should update the ofono stuff and the problem there was that the n900 is also using n950 driver because of the udev hack | 12:58 |
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| Sage | marquiz1: and welcome to turku btw ;) | 12:59 |
| marquiz1 | Sage: thanks! ;) | 13:00 |
| marquiz1 | Sage: we have a christmas concert in tuomiokirkko @19, so welcome there (buy a ticket) :D | 13:01 |
| marquiz1 | Sage: so gprs data on n900 works if the correct driver is used? | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: you might know this.. terminal mode, is the server part OSS anywhere? | 13:02 |
| Sage | marquiz1: haven't tried, but it used to work :) | 13:02 |
| HazardousWaster | wow | 13:02 |
| HazardousWaster | i feel like a lecturer just woke me up - i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: sorry :) you know, http://www.terminalmode.org/ | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | basically linking cellphone display to cars | 13:03 |
| HazardousWaster | interesting. i've never seen it, but i'm interested in it. i'd considered writing an android app to do something similar | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:04 |
| HazardousWaster | but the website says it uses VNC | 13:04 |
| marquiz1 | Sage: k, might be worth testing when i have time | 13:05 |
| HazardousWaster | .... which is a good start | 13:05 |
| HazardousWaster | it does not appear that the servers are OSS, but i've only been reading the site and googling quickly ;) | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:07 |
| HazardousWaster | what client are we talking about here? mer? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | for example, i think that part is oss | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | what are the "big" in-car computer oss projects anyway? i must admit i'm not well versed in IVI so | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | like, those that have actual communities | 13:09 |
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| HazardousWaster | tbh i'm not that experienced with it, tripzero would know better. for end-users i think centrafuse is the most popular, it's a monolithic frontend for WinXP | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | linuxice looks dead | 13:10 |
| HazardousWaster | linuxice merged themselves into meego IVI | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:11 |
| w00t | heh, well, that was a smart decision .. | 13:11 |
| HazardousWaster | hehe | 13:11 |
| HazardousWaster | so as far as i can tell, on the linux side, this is it | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: did you by any chance see Lipstick? | 13:12 |
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| HazardousWaster | the qml toolkit? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the one to make homescreens with, basically | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | (and task switchers) | 13:13 |
| HazardousWaster | nope, i haven't, i'll check it out | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM | 13:13 |
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| HazardousWaster | manufacturer-side i'm not aware of anyone who uses centrafuse but i think there were a couple who based stuff on meego | 13:14 |
| HazardousWaster | lipstick looks pretty neat | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | should be a blast to do ivi interfaces with it | 13:15 |
| HazardousWaster | i'm actually having a really good time with plasma active. i'm writing my frontend to replace the lockscreen - so you can unlock to use 'normal computer' but then it'll idle back to a simple navigation/audio screen | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:16 |
| HazardousWaster | so anyway, what's the interest in mirrorlink/terminalmode? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | just curious, it seems like a nice component to have off the shel | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | f | 13:17 |
| HazardousWaster | aah | 13:18 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: I'll not be able to do any mer work until tomorrow now, but if you want, feel free to muck about with my repos! | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, can you hang on 5 minutes? | 14:43 |
| mingwandroid | yeah | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: can you make my userid lowercase in Users? | 14:44 |
| mingwandroid | yeah | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | because it seems it blows up when uppecase | 14:48 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: done | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 14:50 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: another picture from the Mer/Steelrat/Novomok/(Tizen) concept phone ;) | 15:54 |
| chouchoune | http://identi.ca/attachment/62021057 | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:55 |
| Tuju | any good ideas how could i power up n950? | 16:04 |
| chouchoune | http://twitter.com/#!/mitsutaka_amano/status/144979053517082625/photo/1 (Steelrat, so Mer again (?) ;)) | 16:07 |
| kimju | Tuju, a battery or an usb-cable? :) | 16:07 |
| Tuju | i think the batt is drained and it doesn't seem to charge it | 16:08 |
| Tuju | last thing i did with it was bricked it with OTA that got offered | 16:08 |
| kimju | Tuju, just try to connect the usb cable and let it charge for a while. and then reflash? | 16:11 |
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| Tuju | kimju: i'm charging it through usb 5v-power-cable-adapter but it doesn't appear to take charging | 16:49 |
| Tuju | it lits the small white led for while when i plug it in but then gives up and goes dark | 16:49 |
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| felipec | is sound supposed to work on N900? | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes, at least we make phonecalls with it | 17:19 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: I see, I guess I should go back to an old kernel =/ | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | what are you trying out? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | we do set some alsa mixer settings | 17:27 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: I'm trying to enable audio on 3.1 | 17:28 |
| felipec | it doesn't detect anything | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | it being it doesn't even get detected in kernel? | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | verify you have the patches made by Jarkko Nikula in the kernel perhaps? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | i think he at least attempted upstreaming of a lot of it | 17:32 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: I mean, the module is there, and it loads, but no card is detected | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:32 |
| felipec | you use .37, right? | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | latest kernel work we have is the beginnings of a 3.0 rebase, at https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_kernel/commits/n9xx-v3.0-wip | 17:34 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: you might want to pick this one: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1226626 | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'll file a bug for nemomobile hw adaptation | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45 | 17:49 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: so basically it's upstream + SGX patches? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | bbl food, at least the 3.0 stuff was enough to get SGX working and device booting | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | matrixx: rodal (Samuel Rødal): Qt developer working for Nokia on Qt 5 and Lighthouse. I'd like to investigate a bit into the possibility of running multi-process Qt 5 with Wayland on the raspberry pi, and playing with the OpenGL driver to figure out how to get the best performance out of it for Qt 5's QML scenegraph. ,, is for sure interesting for linux stack | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: ping | 18:14 |
| mdfe_ | hi | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | where did you have that compile error qtwebkit 2.2? | 18:14 |
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| mdfe_ | yepp | 18:15 |
| mdfe_ | for armv7hl | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | yep - got the source package anywhere? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | we have new toolchain to test | 18:15 |
| mdfe_ | there is also a ticket | 18:15 |
| mdfe_ | awesome :) | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: disabling , wipebinaries and waiting for gcc to build, and then enable, worked | 18:15 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: Great! | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=qtwebkit&project=Project%3AKDE%3AMer_Extras <- this one? | 18:16 |
| mdfe_ | mom | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i also enabled armv6l | 18:16 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: Linaro 2011.12 was released today/yesterday... | 18:16 |
| mdfe_ | yepp | 18:16 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: I'll update to that (or feel free yourself if you've got time) | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:16 |
| tripzero | <w00t> heh, well, that was a smart decision . | 18:16 |
| tripzero | tell me about it :P | 18:16 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: If I do it it won't be until tomorrow. You'll be around? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: yeah, i have a weekend to myself | 18:17 |
| w00t | tripzero: no offense intended! | 18:17 |
| w00t | :P | 18:17 |
| mingwandroid | ok. are you able to test using this new gcc then? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i'm going to check a couple of existing toolchain bugs against it | 18:17 |
| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: hey!, just offtopic ask, what is your desktop/laptop linux distro preference? :-] | 18:18 |
| mingwandroid | will you be able to help me with getting local build working? I'd test your existing with what's there (2011.11) and also with 2011.12 on the weekend maybe. | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | pdanek1: anything that can run xterm and a browser, pidgin | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek1: i use fedora myself | 18:19 |
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| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: hah, ok :) I'm just interested to ask people sometimes | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek1: i used to use ubuntu until one day it made me want to throw the laptop out of the window | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | so it goes | 18:19 |
| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: been on Fedora as well, but I get pissed of from "permanent beta state" :D trying out Arch Linux and love it ;) | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: yes | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | Hi, Has anyone had success getting Mer to run on a Asus transformer? | 18:20 |
| tripzero | w00t, I know :). I had good rational for the decision. just didn't work out as planned. | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | The wiki page has screenshots and some links to git repos, but that's about it | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | tripzero: heh, same thought i had in my head about our decision to join meego and halt Mer efforts back in the day.. | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:21 |
| tripzero | haha | 18:21 |
| tripzero | true! | 18:21 |
| mingwandroid | ok great! | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i'm trying qtwebkit against it | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's always a nice test | 18:22 |
| tripzero | i thought about reviving linuxice after meego died. then i finally got moved to actually work on tizen ivi, so we'll see if we can get anything done there... | 18:22 |
| mingwandroid | shadeslayer: yeah. people have indeed (but not me, I did the advent vega kernel work..) | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | tripzero: hope it works out, i'm personally waiting for the day to come when we finally can see the source and well, what the heck tizen is actually about ;) | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, a reset occasionally helps to put things done right | 18:23 |
| tripzero | i hear ya | 18:23 |
| mingwandroid | ok I got to go to xmas do tonight. speak tomorrow! | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | cya mingwandroid | 18:23 |
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| mingwandroid | cheers. | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, christmas beer sounds good | 18:23 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: PA use the qtwebkit packaging from CE:MW:PlasmaActive | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: ok | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | either way, it's qtwebkit2.2 | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | if it succeeds to build i'm just happy ;) | 18:24 |
| mdfe_ | me too :) | 18:24 |
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| pdanek1 | are you guys actually speaking about any news from China Tizen summit? :) | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer | Yep, I can't seem to find any more details other than "Here are some awesome screenshots" and "Here's a git repo with the kernel in it" | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek1: there's some nice looking Mer demos from it, at least | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | there's no real tizen products so, well | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | (yet) | 18:28 |
| pdanek1 | hah | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | either way, let's not mock tizen, there's good people working on it who highly likely isn't too satisfied with the way it's being handled. and same efforts is what gives us a resource push into common Mer components, such as connman, ofono, etc | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'm looking forward to the day when i can again collaborate with those people in the open, personally | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:31 |
| pdanek1 | I see | 18:33 |
| pdanek1 | btw | 18:35 |
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| pdanek1 | GTA04 devices should be available for order from December 19 :) | 18:35 |
| pdanek1 | but there's probably no reason for buying anyway | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/9/2623943/webos-being-open-sourced-says-hp | 18:46 |
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| marquiz1 | Sage: didn't see you at tuomiokirkko ;) | 18:49 |
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| felipec | nope .37 doesn't work either | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 18:52 |
| felipec | brb | 18:52 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: was just about to paste that | 19:07 |
| slaine | Sweet | 19:07 |
| mdfe_ | cya, nice weekend | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | well, let's see how it works out | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm naturally spectical after the whole meego deal :) | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | \o/ | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | Wrote: /home/abuild/rpmbuild/RPMS/armv7hl/libqtwebkit4-2.2.0-5.1.armv7hl.rpm | 19:14 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: more interesting in what it means for Tizen really | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm curious about impact on Mer too | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | especially when you compare the open source parts of webos vs mer stack | 19:25 |
| slaine | Well, no reason why we can't have a webOS layer on mer | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:25 |
| phaeron | did they announce the license yet ? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | not afaik | 19:26 |
| slaine | given that the os base is not that interesting to most people, but fundamental to the project, I can only see it as a good thing | 19:26 |
| phaeron | it could be draconian and then the open sourcing will be practically irrelevant | 19:26 |
| slaine | can't see why they'd do that | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: well, they say good, transparent and meritocratic governance, that usually means it's not draconian.. | 19:27 |
| phaeron | corporations have different meanings of open and transparent | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | of course, they said that about meego too ;) | 19:27 |
| phaeron | ;) | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: are you able to run the OBS test suite btw? | 19:27 |
| phaeron | exactly | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | if one exists | 19:27 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes | 19:27 |
| phaeron | there's an api test suite | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.precentral.net/open-source-plan | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: so i've been working on integrating scratchbox2 into OBS for Mer -- ie, providing a different cross compile method | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | and i might need someone to help review them | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | ignore the scratchbox part, if that gives you twitches | 19:29 |
| phaeron | I was just going to say I want nothing to do with sbox | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 is actually a lot saner from a OBS pov | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | i don't touch the ARM chroot, at all | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | and i can even accelerate things like autoreconf (perl) and qmake | 19:30 |
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| * phaeron needs to read more. | 19:31 | |
| * araujo encapsulates phaeron inside sbox | 19:31 | |
| phaeron | the only time I tried to encapsulate sbox in imager I wasted 2 weeks | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sb1 = not good, sb2 = slightly cooler | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | just think of it as an invisible hand that can map ARM target's /bin/bash to /bin/bash X86 | 19:32 |
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| phaeron | without the rpath and baselibs.conf tricks ? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | yah | 19:32 |
| phaeron | oh | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | i don't even do anything special | 19:32 |
| phaeron | interesting | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, we patch glibc with 3 patches but those seem sane | 19:33 |
| felipec | yeah, sb2 is cool | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | that's about it | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | so i use stock x86 binaries | 19:33 |
| phaeron | so bootstrapping becomes easier and you can accel more stuff | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | right | 19:34 |
| phaeron | hmm so you want to use the obs test suite for what ? | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i've added a keyword as a start, SB2install: | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | and i want to upstream this stuff | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | my modifications are in 'build' mostly | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | so pondering how extensive the test suite is | 19:36 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, nice one on the compiler | 19:37 |
| phaeron | it tests the api | 19:37 |
| phaeron | so api, repserver , srcserver, scheduler maybe | 19:37 |
| phaeron | I don't think it goes deep to build | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:38 |
| phaeron | one second I had the command somewhere | 19:39 |
| phaeron | so in an obs git checkout you do : git submodule init ; git submodule update ; cd src/api; RAILS_ENV="test" rake db:setup; rake | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:43 |
| * phaeron ot: wants to learn qml | 19:45 | |
| phaeron | why are there only 24h in a day | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | my wife was able to get started quite easily with qt components for symbian | 19:46 |
| phaeron | time is the problem | 19:47 |
| pdanek | 24h is definitely not enough, should be changed | 19:47 |
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| phaeron | let's move to pluto | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | cloning could also be an option | 19:48 |
| marquiz1 | Vgrade: did you test moslo? ;) | 19:50 |
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| vgrade | marquiz1, not yet, buliding up to it | 19:59 |
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| marquiz1 | vgrade: np, i guess i'll be fading out soon ;) | 20:08 |
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| Sage | marquiz1: hehe, I have guests coming tomorrow so need to clean a bit ;) | 20:21 |
| marquiz1 | Sage: acceptable :-) | 20:23 |
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| Stskeeps | a bad evening: when you discover the difference between ARM1176JZ-S and ARM1176JZF-S | 20:30 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: is there a pulseaudio configuration somewhere? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | felipec: yes, it's all oss - alsa settings is likely to be a good start though | 20:32 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: which alsa settings? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:33 |
| kimju | Stskeeps, only *F* contains floating point unit? or did you find something undocumented? | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | kimju: it comes down to memory barriers that is claimed to be in ARMv6 and forth | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | ie __sync_synchronize and friends | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | it turns out this is only in ARMv6-K | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | if i switch mer to armv6-k, n8x0 port will be breaking, but raspberry pi one will work | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | armv6-k is only in ARM1176JZF-S ;) | 20:38 |
| kimju | "The only functional difference between the ARM1176JZ-S and ARM1176JZF-S processor is that the ARM1176JZF-S processor includes a Vector Floating-Point (VFP) coprocessor." -- http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0333h/I1000175.html | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | actually, it seems like i found a genuine gcc bug | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's not supposed to be armv6-k | 20:41 |
| kimju | hmm, iirc there was some talk about gcc generating wrong armv* code in linux-omap ml earlier this year. | 20:46 |
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| marquiz1 | Radio silence for me... | 20:52 |
| marquiz1 | C ya | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 20:53 |
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| Venemo | hi :) | 20:56 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: what about that config? | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | felipec: sorry, got distracted - https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=pulseaudio-settings-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 , but scripts in http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_nokia-n900-configs/trees/MeeGo_1.1 may be useful too | 21:10 |
| vgrade | ok, time for N9 moslo | 21:10 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: met a 770 user today, any chance for mer on it? :) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: theoretically you can do a armv5 port without big issue | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: i'm afraid to know what kind of alignment issues there are though | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | but 64mb is a bit tight | 21:17 |
| _av500_ | right | 21:18 |
| _av500_ | i put a :) | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | kernel's an issue too, at least if you want wifi ;) | 21:19 |
| _av500_ | who'd want that | 21:21 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: interesting... I was look at something like that... but it seems there's a lot of custom modules... I want something to work with vanilla pulseaudio, plus module-alsa-source-old is gone | 21:26 |
| felipec | I guess it's time to build a simple pa configuration :) | 21:26 |
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| pdanek1 | WebOS became opensource, have you guys noticed? :O | 21:53 |
| pdanek1 | news from today | 21:53 |
| leinir | yeah, still kind of not clear how much of it's opened... | 21:54 |
| _av500_ | webkit | 21:56 |
| _av500_ | :) | 21:56 |
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| beford | maybe we can get some good stuff from webos :P | 22:05 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: looks like this is the modern way: load-module module-alsa-card device_id=0 profile_set=nokia-rx51.conf rate=48000 sink_name=sink.hw0 source_name=source.hw0 | 22:36 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: looks like sound has to be built-in, it doesn't work as module | 22:59 |
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