Tuesday, 2011-12-06

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cxl000sledges_ releases have moved to http://releases.merproject.org/01:03
* pabs3 lol at vgrade, I doubt Broadcom will release chip designs01:04
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sethstormcxl000:  As long as you got them, no problem.  I'm not in any particular hurry.03:16
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Stskeepstilgovi: out of curiousity, have you couchdb guys done any experiments with it in mobile settings such as ram-limited handsets?06:28
tilgovii haven't personally used it much in a mobile environment.06:28
tilgoviyou should find daleharvey and apage43 in #couchdb, though. I think they could direct you.06:29
tilgovii'm working on pouchdb right now, which is an indexeddb implementation for html506:29
tilgoviwhich you may find interesting06:29
Stskeepsthat is quite interesting, yes06:30
tilgovigithub.com/mikeal/pouchdb. i'm fixing the brokenness that is my last commit there.06:31
* Stskeeps bookmarks06:31
Stskeepsas with all open source innovation ;)06:31
Stskeepsyou know you have a bad morning when you try to unrar x a rpm instead of rpm2cpio ..06:41
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Stskeepshttp://www.slashgear.com/mips-unveils-ice-cream-sandwich-tablet-under-100-05199910/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+slashgear+%28SlashGear%29 <- why a MIPS port of Mer could be interesting07:01
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Stskeepsdouble <path in OBS seems broken08:02
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Stskeepsmorn iekku08:19
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Stskeepsmorn Termana08:43
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sledgesthanks cxl000, I will update the wiki FAQ accordingly09:02
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sledgesgood morning11:41
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sledgesStskeeps, could you or anyone else give a glance-against-rubbish in the updated http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS ? thanks!11:42
sledgesi get confused with the terms FakeOBS server and ...obs-server... as-not-the-same-thing11:43
Stskeepswhen reading fakeobs, think mer delivery system11:43
Stskeepssynchronize your instructions with http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup11:43
sledgesIMHO correctly is you need python tools/fakeobs.py running and then a command-line tools (osc) on openSUSE vm should be enough to start11:43
sledgesStskeeps, I avoided OBS_Setup altogether by running vmx image of OBS appliance11:44
Stskeepsso, fakeobs is something an OBS server talks to, not a client11:44
sledgesi guess i'll be bumping, but as you lead me through, I'll update the wikis11:44
sledgessome server2server communication11:45
sledgesok, so i rsynced it all, launched fakeobs and then obs VM will connect to it and pull again11:46
sledgesand start building11:46
sledgesI am now at step 7 of FakeOBS wiki11:46
Stskeepsobs VM will connect to it to get stuff, yeah11:46
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slainesledges: I've some instructions I followed online too, let me dig them out11:47
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sledgesslaine: your txt is already in the wiki ;)11:48
sledgesI found that gem this morning11:48
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sledgesStskeeps: i guess there are historical implications as to why obs can't connect straight to merproject11:49
slaineI think that OBS_Setup on the wiki is different to what I wrote, just named the same, coincidence11:49
sledgesi named them differently, some redundance at the moment11:49
sledgeshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS links to it as well (especially for the famous step 7 :))11:49
Stskeepssledges: long story short: meego.com OBS was/is horribly unstable and the live link to it caused people to loose several months of manhours11:49
slainelol, sweet, I didn't know that was there11:50
sledgesso you just go Linus way like Git and make it a "distributed OBS" by introducing FakeOBS ;)11:50
sledgesslaine: it's just hours fresh11:50
mingwandroidvgrade: hi mate.11:50
slainesledges: Did you add it ?11:51
slaineCool, thanks11:51
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Stskeepssledges: yeah.. fakeobs3 will be more interactive and a true delivery system11:51
sledgesneeds vacuuming but good to start11:51
Stskeepssledges: the idea is that companies can 'fork' the core that way and still receive updates in a proper git like manner11:52
sledgesyes, truly aiming at hardware porting, I start liking it ever more :)11:53
sledgesStskeeps: I reckon you need Novel account at any rate, no?11:54
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sledgesosc config: Your user account / password are not configured yet. <...>11:54
Stskeepssledges: hmm?11:56
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Stskeepsno, OBS comes with own usr database11:56
sledgesCreating osc configuration file /home/obs/.oscrc ... is taking forever11:58
sledgesmight by due to: NETWORK SETUP FAILED: OBS is not usable. A working DHCP and DNS server in network is required!11:58
sledgesthough I can ping google.com from VM, and I set-up network adapter to NATted through host11:58
Stskeepsyeah.. that's why i wanted you to not take appliance11:59
Stskeepsit has quirks11:59
sledgesI'll reflect that on wiki as I go..12:00
sledgesI try going through first steps of http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_Setup_Guide#Setting_Up_the_OBS_Install12:02
sledgesprobably I missed something before jumping straight to step #712:02
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* Stskeeps classifies the obs build script under voodoo12:11
sledgeswhich one exactly?12:14
Stskeeps /usr/lib/build/build12:15
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sledgesthat's a fact.. but I've seen to many .sh scripts growing bushy unfortunately. They just have such tendency, no refactoring, no modularising..12:18
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phaeronlbt_away: o/13:20
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alteregow00t: ping, where have you moved lipstick! :P14:23
w00talterego: /nemomobile/14:23
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sledgesStskeeps, great success: setup appliance ok, have command `osc copypac fakeobs:Core:i586 acl home:glen:i586` working fine, updated wiki accordingly14:42
Stskeepscongrats :)14:42
sledgesthe issues i wrote you about earlier gone away with proper VM setup14:42
sledgesnow, how about actually compiling something? :)14:42
sledgesFakeOBS setup on readme ends with "9. Verify with compiling same package against Core:i586 repo Core_i586 archs i586" :)14:43
Stskeepsbut against fakeobs: instead of Mer:fake14:43
sledgesok, I just read it, but it ends with only setting up the repos14:44
Stskeepsthat's what you have to do14:44
Stskeepsa package builds against a repo14:44
sledgeswhat is the command to build it? or should i use web UI?14:45
* sledges obiously didn't get 100% into how OBS works, but getting there :)14:45
Stskeepsfollow the instructions and set up the <repository> stuff in your project to point to your fakeobs's stuff14:46
sledgesyup, that's partially achievable already from following http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS and Mer_OBS_VM_Setup_Guide14:46
Stskeepsok, so OBS should start building it automatically14:48
Stskeepsif you go to your project14:48
sledgesI see(!)14:48
Stskeepsyou see a (!) or what?14:49
sledges:D I understand what you mean, and I am pleasantly surprised for such-a-pick-up14:50
sledgesbut I am looking at status monitor and everything's idle, obiously something broke,14:50
Stskeepscheck the home:glen:i586 you made14:50
sledgesok, got down to it: it has only acl now to play aroud, and it failed: 400 remote error: syswrite  14:55
Stskeepsuhh :P14:56
Stskeepsls -l obs-repos on fakeobs14:56
sledgesgoogled: I got only 88M disk free :D14:57
Stskeepsthat doesn't help much14:57
sledgesskipped this one: `  sudo lvcreate --name obs_vm --size 100G buildhost` :D14:57
Stskeepsah.. :P14:57
sledgesnow, disk space is expensive these days :)) (in terms of time..)14:58
slainesledges: tsp, that's the most important step15:01
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snapperlyhi guys15:05
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sledgesslaine, thanks for the great tutorial, too btw!15:06
slainesledges: glad it was of some use15:06
sledgeswill be for generations to come ;)15:06
slainenext part is spending time creating an image and putting some software on it and documenting that15:06
slaineI've been too busy over the last month to do anything much else15:07
sledgesyou want a ready-made Mer appliance? ;) would be nice!15:07
sledgesyes, but as time tells, sometimes we just can't wait when there's an urge15:07
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Stskeepslo HazardousWaster15:07
slainewell, the goal is to have a set of tools I can use at work to build my embedded linux distro15:07
sledgesyup, I hope my workplace would deviate from android a bit back to linux ... and such an image would shorten learning curve burnrates15:08
vgrademingwandroid, hi15:10
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StskeepsHazardousWaster: so what brings you here15:10
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HazardousWasteri'm setting up a PC for my car15:11
HazardousWasterand Meego didn't seem like the best place to start anymore :)15:12
sledgessome IVI ?15:12
HazardousWasteri'm trying to find the rest of the linux IVI community15:12
sledgesguess Mer with KDE Plasma Active on top could go for you15:12
slaineOr do a UX project of the Meego-IVI UX on Mer15:13
StskeepsHazardousWaster: you'd probably feel right at home then, Mer's a core, you can organise projects to value add IVI on top, we do all the boring core work, you have fun in your own areas :)15:14
HazardousWasteris there anyone else heading in that direction yet or would i be on my own? :)15:14
sledgesguys, where does OBS server do all the compiling? I.e. where should I mount my 100G to?15:14
StskeepsHazardousWaster: well, you're the first who speaks about it here, but i think there's definate interest15:14
StskeepsHazardousWaster: just pioneers needed to kickstart it15:15
sledgesHazardousWaster, when next time an IVI-interested customer comes to our work, I would try to promote your effort, and join as well15:15
HazardousWasterok, i'll get to pioneering then15:15
StskeepsHazardousWaster: what kind of specs does your car pc have?15:15
slainesledges: I re did the root as 100G. You could check out that other OBS_Setup on the wiki that lbt created, he has some good fs mounting options there.15:15
HazardousWasteri've got an atom d525 on a zotac ionitx board15:16
HazardousWasterin fact15:16
HazardousWasteri've got one of these: http://www.mitxpc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=CPCNIONSE15:16
StskeepsHazardousWaster: let me just give you a liveusb/iso you can try out right away15:17
HazardousWasteroh excellent that would be a great start15:17
StskeepsHazardousWaster: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-test-x86-
Stskeepsignore the meego part15:17
Stskeepsthis will boot into qmlviewer15:17
HazardousWasteri've got all the accessories as well: usb gps, OBD2 unit and so on - i've previously had a car PC running windows XP15:18
befordthat seems to have nvidia graphics HazardousWaster15:18
HazardousWasteryes it does15:18
Stskeepsbeford: not a real problem15:18
Stskeepsbeford: i have nvidia at home to tame too15:18
befordnouveau ?15:18
HazardousWasterI've got the meego UX running, just needed to replace egdsomething with vesa15:18
sledgesslaine, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup can't find fs mount stuff in there15:19
Stskeepsbeford: for instance, you just need a gles -> gl lib15:20
slainehmm, I thought he had a load of stuff in there on how to mount the various directories for optimal compilation speed (i.e. have an SSD be the compiler dir)15:20
sledgeshere? http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements#Specifications15:21
sledgesthose just specs still.. ok, I'll try resizing the hdd then15:21
Stskeepsthat's more for hardcore specifications15:21
sledgesyup :)15:22
sledges12GB enough? give me the Mer upper bound please :)15:22
Stskeeps12gb is good as a start15:22
Stskeepsi usually allocate 100gb myself as i do crazyass stuff15:22
StskeepsHazardousWaster: so, in Mer we're very image-based, so one of the first things you'll likely need to know is to create your own images :)15:23
sledgesi wouldn't think otherwise :)15:23
HazardousWasterthat's not something i've ever done before, but i'm sure i can learn15:24
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alteregoStskeeps: Mer_Core_* are the right repos to target?15:30
Stskeepssee topic15:30
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phaeronupdated the link to the addrepos osc plugin15:39
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phaeronthere's also a simple linkprj plugin that could be useful for someone15:43
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sledgesStskeeps, great success #2: guest-225-132 finished "build acl.spec" at Tue Dec  6 15:47:43 UTC 2011.15:48
sledgesit has some weirdnesses in the log: "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 369" et al. and "RPMLINT report:...sh: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory" even though it's stil there15:50
sledgesso, can I qemu it? :)15:51
Stskeepsignore those15:51
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sledgesso it built "Repository: Mer_Core_armv7hl Architecture: armv8el", but `file /var/cache/obs/worker/root_1/bin/rpm` says "rpm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped"15:53
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Stskeepswe cross compile15:54
sledgesoh file rpm.orig-arm15:54
sledgesrpm.orig-arm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped15:54
sledgesso, after I build the whole Mer (not only acl), what would be the step after?15:55
sledgesin terms of deployment15:56
StskeepsOBS publishes those rpms to a repository, add them to a .ks (kickstart) file, make an image, boot15:56
sledgesok, smells good15:56
* alterego remembers it's a Finish holiday today. (Don't expect reply to email)15:57
sledges:) from Linus?15:57
sledgesand I would add the smoku's imx repo in the completely equivalent way? (http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/Mer%3A/HA%3A/iMX/)15:58
sledgesfor hardware adaptation for my i.MX5315:59
Stskeepssledges: right15:59
sledgesStskeeps, does Mer include kernels as well?16:00
sledgesor just rootfs16:00
sledgesi.e. kernel adaptation for i.MX i'll need to figure out myself.16:02
sledgesthat's fine, but I lack of knowledge of linking libamdgpu-bin ... libz160-bin ... around (http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/Mer%3A/HA%3A/iMX/Mer_Core_armv7hl/armv7hl/)16:03
sledgesthe last obstacle so to say16:03
Stskeepswe dont' include kernels, for libamdgpu-bin just install them16:04
* sledges hasn't delved into understanding how libamdgpu will tell "hey I fix things for you, GUI space!" just by being installed. no compilation against them needed?)16:06
Stskeepswe build against a standard GLES2/EGL library+mesa, mesa16:06
Stskeepsand on image build time replace with hw adaptation libraries16:07
sledgesnice, as long as the interface is the same! genious! :D16:07
Stskeepsall they have to do is provide libGLESv2.so.2 and libEGL.so.116:07
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* phaeron wonders if kvm virtfs can be hotplugged16:10
HazardousWasterdoes anyone know offhand the user input options when presented with a partition layout? i can't actually see any (they've scrolled off my screen) but 1, 2 or 3 all result in installation failure, some with partioning failing because the device is busy16:15
araujoStskeeps, Sage any news about mer bug #9 ?16:16
StskeepsHazardousWaster: just start with trying to boot instead of install16:16
Stskeepsaraujo: armv6 one?16:17
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araujoStskeeps, correct16:17
Venemo_N950hey guys :)16:17
Venemo_N950w00t, ping16:18
Stskeepsaraujo: no, but it seems to expand to other things16:18
sledgeshi Venemo_N95016:18
Venemo_N950hello sledges :) how is your project progressing?16:18
HazardousWasterStskeeps: it booted into qmlviewer with no problems at all16:18
sledgesjust built Mer in a VM16:18
StskeepsHazardousWaster: excellent16:18
araujoStskeeps, mm.. if I try to submit requests , boss will reject it?, other platforms work fine16:19
sledgesVenemo_N950, I updated relevant wiki pages with my success story descending from FAQ to get some hands-on building for a random visitor16:19
StskeepsHazardousWaster: i think installer might possibly be buggy atm16:22
Venemo_N950sledges, that is nice :)16:22
sledgescheers :) it's still in progress, just as I am lol16:22
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sledgeshope all instructions are to-the-point and not introducing caveats. will be able to tell once i put it on i.MX53 here16:23
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Venemo_N950sledges, do you also have a UX of your own or you'll use one of the existing ones?16:24
sledgesI am brave enough to try KDE Plasma Active (or just give me rope :))16:24
Venemo_N950what for?16:25
sledgesit was a colloquial term used by dm8tbr and Stskeeps, when I told them my ambitions16:26
Stskeepsinitially when sledges said he wanted to put a harmattan like experience on a ARMv6, we just gave him rope instead16:26
sledges:) to hang-up i reckon16:26
sledgesyes, ARM1116:26
Stskeepsbecause that's just insane16:26
Venemo_N950aah, a rope to hang himslef with?16:26
Venemo_N950funny metaphor16:27
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Venemo_N950so you think plasma active will work on arm11, but a harmattanlike ux wouldn't?16:28
sledgeswhen we talked about plasma on ARM11, dm8tbr handed in more rope16:29
phaeronaraujo: which request was rejected ?16:29
Venemo_N950so which ux will you use at the end?16:29
sledgesnow I concentrate on demo on i.MX53, which is Cortex-A816:30
sledgesand forget ARM1116:30
sledgesfor now16:30
Venemo_N950dat's better!16:31
sledgespity that Android runs on ARM1116:31
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sledgesand hence the customer will still want android, since they chose ARM1116:31
sledgesbut I'd try to convince them to pay more money for their iron and get some decent stuff :)16:31
sledgesso ARM11's a showstopper for us :(16:32
Venemo_N950sledges, good luck :)16:32
sledgesunless something could be done about that16:32
sledgesin terms of Harmattan and Plasma givin-up on ARM11: i'd rephrase: with great responsibility, great power should come too :))16:33
Venemo_N950well, if your arm11 has hw graphics accel, I could still imagine some nice qml ux on dat16:33
sledgesbut that means writing the whole UX yourself, too much effort16:33
sledgesnot for a final product definitely16:33
Stskeepsthe point is really GLESv216:34
Venemo_N950sledges, Stskeeps surely knows what he's talking about, so listen to him :)16:35
sledgesyup, I surely know that :)16:35
Stskeepsi have some -mild- hope about LLVMpipe on arm devices, but nothing beats hw16:37
vgradesledges, plasma on ARM11 raspberry Pi, http://twitpic.com/7dfw5p16:37
vgradesledges,  a video would look the same16:37
vgradesledges, ie 1 frame per 10 mins16:38
sledgesvgrade, my first and last question was FPS :D16:38
vgradesledges, its not always about CPU its also about memory16:40
sledgeswell, in couple of days I'll come back with those ARM11 specs to you guys :)16:41
vgradeStskeeps, what's the status of N9 adaptation and moslo etc, I have a new toy16:42
vgradeStskeeps, I saw some dual boot stuff mentioned16:42
Stskeepsvgrade: http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/ is one way16:43
Stskeepsmay not work on your device for timing issues16:43
sledgesvgrade, congrats, N9 is on my desk as well with Harmattan -- which is the main the reason I turned from Android to Mer+UX here in the office16:44
Venemo_N950Stskeeps, isn't llvmpipe intended for multi-core beast cpus?16:48
StskeepsVenemo_N950: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/31/qml-scene-graph-in-master/16:48
Stskeepsgo down to "some numbers"16:49
StskeepsVenemo_N950: with low enough resolution it might be good enough16:50
Stskeepsanyway, it's useful for one thing in particular: mer in virtual machines16:50
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vgradethinks twice about the N9 install16:53
Stskeepsvgrade: if you bought it retail, it will void your warranty16:53
Stskeepsmatrixx: i have merux in virtualbox, with llvmpipe :)16:53
Stskeepsmatrixx: even with shaders16:53
vgradeespecially as the instructions are for 64MB device.16:53
alteregomerux? :)16:54
vgradeStskeeps, was from Quim via leinir16:54
Stskeepsvgrade: ah, congrats :)16:54
Stskeepsalterego: matrixx made a simple startup screen that's the mer background and when you touch around on it, it makes ripples16:55
Stskeeps(utilizing shaders)16:55
Stskeepsinstead of our qt quick startup16:55
dm8tbrsledges: I just saw the raspberry pi, which is based on a armv11 soc but with gles. cool stuff16:55
alteregoAny videos?16:55
dm8tbryes there is one16:55
dm8tbrcheck channel logs16:55
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vgradeStskeeps, whats the performance like in that vm?17:00
Stskeepsvgrade: it's like mesa and so on, but it's livable for development17:00
Stskeepser, vesa17:00
Stskeepsit's like 35fps, not 2fps17:01
vgradegood enough for a QtCreator target17:02
Stskeepsyou could probably double fps with dual core VM17:02
vgradeAdds to the TODO list on the wiki17:02
Stskeepsi need to see how it works on arm, but the idea is default llvmpipe in mer, real enablement for intel/etc is in hardware adaptations17:04
Stskeepsand no libGL17:05
Stskeeps(well, except for adaptations where you do libEGL/GLESv2 -> libGL17:06
Stskeepsbut no libgl in mer17:06
vgradewho can I talk to about N9 moslo17:08
Stskeepsprod marquiz but i think all finns are off today :)17:08
vgradeah yes you menitioned holiday17:10
Stskeepsi always wanted a budget robot running mer17:10
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RaYmAnBtw, can mer run without X11? (EGL/wayland?)17:13
Stskeepsyes, but it's not by default set up to that17:14
Stskeepswe don't have many x11 dependancies17:14
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Stskeepsvgrade: if i make armv7hl/armv6l/armv7l llvmpipe mesa libraries, will you volunteer to test them out?17:30
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vgradeStskeeps, yes, I can do that on vega and Pi or ZTE Blade17:39
* Stskeeps waits for it to build17:40
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vgradeI was meaning to do new builds of things since the restructuring on OBS17:41
Stskeepsi got a setup i know works on x86 now, so it makes it easier to debug the ARM side of things17:42
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vgradeyes, always good to have something which works to compare with, I'm hoping to use the same on the tegra stuff17:43
Stskeepsas we don't have to worry that configuration is screwed17:43
vgradeyea, there seemed to be lots of ENV vars with the llvm stuff ir17:44
Stskeepsi have it down to not using env variables, at all17:44
Stskeepsthough i need to see how it reacts on intel hw for instance17:44
vgradeI have Exo17:45
vgradeneeds a bigger desk17:46
Stskeepsuploading a livecd/usb iamge you can try for exo17:46
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vgradeputs the exo on charge17:51
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Stskeepsvgrade: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-test-x86-mesa-
Stskeepsthat'll boot to opengl qmlviewer17:58
vgradeindeed it does18:02
vgradebut just restarted18:04
vgradelet me get a kb18:05
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vgraderebooted, selected 'help' 'about' twice and X crashed and uxlaunch then restarted, now when I select 'help' x crashes and uxlaunch restarts18:08
vgradeattaching kb for xsession errors18:08
Stskeepsalterego mentioned something about that18:08
Stskeepseither way, the point of the image was to see if it worked :P18:09
vgradewe still have the black screen issue with nemo on this device too18:10
Stskeepsnot sure18:10
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norayrcxl000: hey, did you publish the image of mer for n810?18:12
vgradeXI_HierarchyChanged for xsession-errors18:13
alteregovgrade: the issue is with the touch screen driver on the exo, I think, at least the uxlaunch restarts. Causes a segfault in QtGui after processing multitouch events.18:14
Stskeepskeep in mind, i basically forwarded the xinput2 patch so it might be some issues are caused18:14
Stskeepsforward ported18:14
Stskeepsbut we should see a similar issue on n95018:15
alteregoDon't have the same issue on N95018:18
vgradelooks like its the same crash I was having with Nemo, http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Nemo/Status, QtGui18:18
alteregovgrade: I'd suspect the same issue to happen on nemo as well ;)18:18
alteregoI actually have the same issue happen under ubuntu on the exo, so :)18:18
vgradeon nemo meegotouchhome segfaults, and you get a black screen18:20
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vgradeonly happens after a few touches18:21
alteregoNeat, got my UX to reload QML when I send it a special message :)18:21
vgradewith the qmlviewer test, uxlauch brings it back18:21
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Stskeepsmesa crashes gcc18:22
vgradeStskeeps, but that was the control then18:22
* Stskeeps is getting tired of our current toolchain18:22
alteregoThat is, executing the binary again with -reload causes it to tell the already running UX process to reload the QML :)18:22
Stskeepsvgrade: rpm -e mesa-i915-dri-driver18:23
Stskeeps(might be different name)18:23
Stskeepsand the other dri drivers18:24
Stskeepsand kill Xog18:24
Stskeeps.. Xorg18:24
Stskeepsi need a new keyboard.18:24
berndhsjust a bigger R key18:24
vgradedoh, live image18:29
vgradejust rebooted18:29
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matrixxjust saw Raspberry Pi live and some live coding by Andrew Baldwin :)18:33
matrixxhe basically showed me how I can port the merux to QtQuick218:33
matrixxprobably going to try it with 4.8 and the labs backported plugin first18:34
matrixxbasically all the gl shader stuff with mere qml <318:35
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Stskeepscool :)18:36
Stskeepssaw my message above?18:36
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matrixxjust reading backlog18:38
* alterego can't wait for Qt 5 ;)18:38
vgradeok, killed Xorg and qml_viewer restarted18:38
vgradematrixx, hi18:38
Venemoalterego, me either :)18:38
Venemoalterego, especially Qt Quick 218:39
matrixxStskeeps: cool!18:40
matrixxvgrade: 'lo18:40
mingwandroidStskeeps: What toolchain version are you using these days?18:40
Stskeepsmingwandroid: 4.6.118:40
Stskeepsi'd really like to go on 4.6.2 + linaro18:40
mingwandroidStskeeps: I'm providing exactly that for Android.18:40
Stskeepswe're working on some cross compilation changes but i wonder if i have to bite the bullet and just get the job done before that18:41
Stskeepsmingwandroid: do you use their upstream tarball (linaro)?18:42
mingwandroidYeah, I based it on http://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.6/4.6-2011.10/+download/gcc-linaro-4.6-2011.10.tar.bz218:43
mingwandroidI could take this work on if you like?18:43
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Stskeepsgot a build.pub.meego.com account?18:44
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mingwandroidI did the kernel for tegra-218:45
vgradeStskeeps, mingwandroid has been working with me on vega adaptation so knows his way around18:45
mingwandroidit's all part of the ks.18:45
Stskeepsalright then18:45
mingwandroidvgrade: I know my way around a little bit! A bit rusty as Necessitas stuff came up again.18:45
mingwandroidok. I'll speak later tonight if you guys are around? I want to get the Vega up and running again first, then I'll look at GCC, I'm well used to building GCCs though so that'll be no problem.18:46
Stskeepsbranch Core:i586 gcc and add repos as usual, but you need to add <path repository="Core_i586" project="Mer:fake:Core:i586" /> for each arm port18:46
Stskeepsas well18:47
Stskeepsand <arch>i586</arch>18:47
Stskeepsand then linkpac gcc within the repository to cross-armv7l-gcc-accel and cross-armv7l-gcc   , once for armv6l, once for armv7hl, once for armv7l18:47
mingwandroidStskeeps: is the fake obs stuff for local builds? I'll need to get that all up and running? (I should've done that back when I hacked the tegra-2 kernel, but I never did)18:47
Stskeepsit's just a way we deliver mer right now :)18:48
mingwandroidah ok. Is a local OBS setup easy enough to get up and running?18:48
Stskeepsthere's been some people making guides18:49
Stskeepson wiki18:49
mingwandroidok will check it all later. I'll test on a root fs build for Advent Vega I think...18:49
phaeronStskeeps: I am almost there with the remote link thing. just need to find a way to return the results18:49
Stskeepsphaeron: cool18:50
mingwandroidhow many GB will I need for local OBS for all of Mer core and PA?18:50
mingwandroidmay need to get a new HD tbh ;-)18:50
Stskeepsmingwandroid: i'd say 100gb is on the very safe side18:50
Stskeepsjust recall it is a tough job18:50
phaeronStskeeps: the srcserver knows how to get stuff from remote urls , so I want to "handoff" the request to it18:51
Stskeepsmake sense18:51
mingwandroidI guess it'll be a lot of waiting really? I mean, compiling and hacking gcc is ok-ish?18:51
Stskeepsmingwandroid: i prefer gcc hacking on a cluster myself as you need to test the core for regressions18:51
Stskeepsie, we can't upgrade until all packages report succeeded :)18:52
Stskeepsbut anyway, even the packaging work is one burden off my shoulders18:52
mingwandroidgcc 4.6 is exposing bugs that were hidden before too:18:52
Stskeepsand getting it to build18:52
alteregoStskeeps: do we have Avahi in Mer repos18:52
Stskeepsalterego: don't think so18:52
* alterego builds18:52
mingwandroidwell, that's all fine. 4.6.1 -> 4.6.2 shouldn't be too bad. Do you enable graphite stuff by default at all?18:53
mingwandroidvgrade: ejtagle's been hacking on kernel 2.6.39 for ICS on vega recently ;-)18:54
Stskeepsmingwandroid: we use ppl/cloog but you're probably more versed in toolchains than me18:54
Stskeepsmingwandroid: i'm mostly doing it because it was hard to get others to ;)18:54
Stskeepstake a look at spec, it gives a good hint18:55
Stskeepswe have problems on armv6 right now at least18:56
Stskeepswith __sync_and_synchronise18:56
Stskeepsor something like that18:56
Stskeepsso that's why i would like to move to latest linaro18:56
Stskeepsbinutils is also due an upgrade18:57
Stskeepsbtw, "sh precheckin.sh" before each commit is your friend18:57
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mingwandroidok got to go.19:00
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vgradeStskeeps, ok have rpm -e dri package, and killed Xorg. It then starts up again19:02
Stskeepsok, good19:02
Stskeepsthen it's for sure using llvm19:02
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vgradeStskeeps, any clues from the Xorg.log19:06
vgradeXorg.loog looks the same, I was expecting to see some differences19:08
Stskeepsnah, this happens outside xorg19:09
vgradeno 'diff' in image so I can't confirm19:09
vgradeah ok19:09
vgradegood result then, llvm and simplified test case for x86 touch crash19:11
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phaeronlooks like this could work19:26
phaeronStskeeps: did you solve the rpm header diff problem ?19:38
Stskeepsno, not yet, i had to resort to other issues for the time being, but it should be trivial to regexp i19:38
Stskeepsalterego/matrixx and others: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Astskeeps%3Aqt519:38
Stskeepsqtbase,qtdeclarative is there at least19:39
Stskeepsfor x8619:39
phaeronStskeeps: because when the worker gets the rpms over the remoteurl the rpm diff detects that the rpms were built on a different system19:39
Stskeepsphaeron: i'm wondering if we can do this somehow with rpm macros..19:40
Stskeepsbut you're right19:40
phaeronand yes this means it is now able to get the rpms from remoteurl19:40
phaeronneed to test a bit more19:40
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alteregoStskeeps: neat, thanks :)19:42
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lpjhjdhHi I was curious why obs was chosen over openembedded?19:54
Stskeepslpjhjdh: well, we can discuss, but can you tell me some of your perceived strengths of openembedded vs obs?19:55
lpjhjdhI'm actually quite ignorant and am wanting to learn about their respective strengths and weaknesses.\19:55
Stskeepswell that's a start, so, i'll readily admit my knowledge of openembedded is limited, but i'll tell you why i like OBS19:56
lpjhjdhThanks, I was also curious if it's possible to host an obs build server on my own machine?19:57
Stskeepsyes, it is19:57
Stskeepswe have a couple of guides on wiki, just earlier today people discussed it19:57
Stskeepsi like OBS because it makes me able to do a simple cycle of packaging -> build -> publish to repositories -> add repositories to image -> make image -> boot19:57
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Stskeepsi like OBS because it allows me to collaborate with others and branch off their packages19:57
Stskeepsi like OBS because it's a tool to make distributions and release them, shape and edit them19:58
Stskeepsand i like OBS simply because i've been working with it for years :)19:58
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Stskeepslpjhjdh: you can try to navigate around on https://build.pub.meego.com to get a taste of the capabilities19:59
lpjhjdhThanks, had you mentioned I could find more info on how mer uses obs on the wiki?19:59
lpjhjdhAh, thanks.19:59
Stskeepslpjhjdh: yes, wiki has a lot of information19:59
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alteregoI'm not built for this packaging stuff :P20:00
Stskeepslearn spectacle20:00
lpjhjdhAnd thank you for your opinions, very helpful as I am sad to say I had never even heard of obs till today :)20:00
Stskeepsopenembedded/yocto has it's strengths and i'd probably use it for lower-end devices20:00
lpjhjdhCan I put together an environment from scratch with obs?20:01
alteregoI never got openembedded to work.20:01
alteregoI ended up using buildroot for a project which I wanted to use that for.20:01
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Stskeepslpjhjdh: sure, we actually have a guide to set up OBS'es -and- start building entire mer all on your own20:01
Stskeepsusually you wouldn't mess too much with core and just build above20:01
Stskeepsas we publish RPM packages you can base on those and just compile your overlay20:02
_ThomasStskeeps: is launchpad also something more or less like obs?  (I guess that's what the debian/ubuntu/linaro-guys use?)20:02
* _Thomas has been more or less ignorant on this 20:02
lpjhjdhStskeeps: should I be looking on the meego website for all this?20:02
Stskeepslpjhjdh: some info is on meego website but we're making documentation as we go in Mer20:03
Stskeeps_Thomas: ish, but in Mer, everybody has their own PPAs20:03
Stskeepser, in OBS20:03
Stskeeps_Thomas: take a look around on https://build.pub.meego.com -> projects and show home projects too20:03
_ThomasI did do a quick browse some time ago without really getting any grip on it :D20:04
_Thomasbut doesn't every user have it's own ppa in debian?20:04
_Thomaserh, launchpad20:04
Stskeepsi guess, but this is more of a builder-focused thing20:04
lpjhjdhStskeeps: sorry but where was that info on how to set up obs'es and start building mer?20:05
Stskeepslpjhjdh: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_VM_Setup_Guide20:05
Stskeeps_Thomas: one detail is that ARM ppas aren't available to the general public, to my knowledge20:05
Stskeepslpjhjdh: and http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Local_Mer20:05
Stskeepslpjhjdh: for most product cases you shouldn't have to build entire mer, just build on top and perhaps hack a few packages in core20:06
Stskeepslpjhjdh: what are you hoping to use Mer for?20:06
phaeronStskeeps:  http://pastie.org/297669120:07
_ThomasStskeeps: not available to the general public?20:07
Stskeepsphaeron: yeah, i'm wondering what's the best way to do it upstreamable20:07
phaeronStskeeps: but at least it now gets the stuff to compare20:07
phaeronwasn't so difficult after all20:08
Stskeeps_Thomas: yeah, the launchpad service doesn't offer ARM PPAs20:08
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Stskeepsbecause of potential security issues, i think20:08
lpjhjdhI'm actually just wanting to learn how it has been put together as I had followed meego in the past.  I'd also just like to test it out on a tablet.20:09
phaeronStskeeps: /usr/lib/build/rpm-check.sh comes from build-compare rpm.20:09
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_ThomasStskeeps: Does OBS have the same blueprint / workload / project-part that launchpad has?20:10
Stskeepslpjhjdh: :nod: feel free to hang out here and get to know things - http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb shows how Mer is put together on package level20:10
Stskeeps_Thomas: nop, OBS is more concentrated around review, packaging and building20:10
Stskeeps_Thomas: it does however offer source services to link with git and such though20:10
_ThomasStskeeps: http://status.linaro.org/11.12/ <- But nothing that resembles tihs?20:10
Stskeeps_Thomas: correct, that'd be an outside tool20:11
phaeronthat looks more like bugzilla or something20:12
Stskeeps_Thomas: OBS's "just" a tool to do building/releasing with, current attempts to make it more than that hasn't worked well20:13
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_ThomasStskeeps: ok20:14
_ThomasStskeeps: I like the linaro-pages, but I don't like launchpads bazar requirments20:15
Stskeepsin Mer itself we'd probably use a combination of bugzilla, graphing of our CI process, or something20:15
_ThomasI never liked bugzilla20:16
Stskeepsit does it's job, but yes, it has it's moments of frustration20:16
_ThomasWe're currently using chiliproject20:16
Stskeepsmuch of it comes from bad administration/handling20:16
_ThomasBut I'm missing project / planning / good status overview20:17
Stskeepsyeah.. i've seen some really good ones in companies, but the OSS ones are a bit lacking20:18
_ThomasI don't mind paying for something20:18
_Thomasbut I haven't seen anyone I'd put money on, either20:18
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phaeronStskeeps: we can submit the fix to https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=build-compare&project=openSUSE:Tools20:49
Stskeepsyes, i have that in mer too20:51
Stskeepsi'm just wondering if it's a good idea to disable20:51
Stskeepsby default20:51
phaeronI say everything upto the md5sum and license at the end should be ignored20:54
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Stskeepsis a build really equal if it was done on a different machine? :)20:57
Stskeepsor is it the result that matters20:57
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mingwandroidStskeeps: You got any link for setting up local OBS?21:13
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_VM_Setup_Guide , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Local_Mer , but i would advise you to try out the gcc + linkpac stuff first21:15
Stskeepson public obs21:15
mingwandroidvia web interface?21:16
mingwandroidBranch package from other project?21:17
mingwandroid(I've done this stuff only once before a few months ago so apologies that I need a refresher)21:17
Stskeepsjust get to know the 'osc' client :)21:19
Stskeepsosc branch in that and osc linkpa21:19
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mingwandroidStskeeps: Think I've got a url wrong somewhere.21:27
mingwandroidosc bco Core:i586 gcc21:27
mingwandroidServer returned an error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found21:27
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mingwandroidaccesses https://api.pub.meego.com21:32
vgrademingwandroid ,sec while I boot vm21:34
mingwandroidosc branch Mer:fake:Core:i586 gcc21:34
mingwandroidthat worked ;-)21:34
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mingwandroidStskeeps: Ok, I branched and bco'd gcc.21:38
mingwandroidStskeeps: You said "you need to add <path repository="Core_i586" project="Mer:fake:Core:i586" /> for each arm port" what file is this in?21:38
Stskeepsosc meta prj -e yourproject21:38
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Stskeepsas in url in topic21:39
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phaeronStskeeps: doesn't the script go on to check more deeply21:45
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phaeronStskeeps: https://github.com/MeeGoIntegration/open-build-service/commit/10e44b8d0477ae316be009064a0e5c1158683a0322:01
phaeronlatest form of the patch22:01
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mingwandroidStskeeps: Ok, I did the osc branch and I got a local branch. I editted the meta data too, and the package seems to be building.22:24
mingwandroidStskeeps: I also checked it out, and have editted gcc.spec, do I need to linkpac or anything or can I just commit?22:25
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