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cxl000 | sledges_ releases have moved to http://releases.merproject.org/ | 01:03 |
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sethstorm | cxl000: As long as you got them, no problem. I'm not in any particular hurry. | 03:16 |
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Stskeeps | zzz | 06:18 |
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Stskeeps | tilgovi: out of curiousity, have you couchdb guys done any experiments with it in mobile settings such as ram-limited handsets? | 06:28 |
tilgovi | i haven't personally used it much in a mobile environment. | 06:28 |
tilgovi | you should find daleharvey and apage43 in #couchdb, though. I think they could direct you. | 06:29 |
tilgovi | i'm working on pouchdb right now, which is an indexeddb implementation for html5 | 06:29 |
tilgovi | which you may find interesting | 06:29 |
Stskeeps | that is quite interesting, yes | 06:30 |
tilgovi | github.com/mikeal/pouchdb. i'm fixing the brokenness that is my last commit there. | 06:31 |
* Stskeeps bookmarks | 06:31 | |
tilgovi | wip | 06:31 |
Stskeeps | as with all open source innovation ;) | 06:31 |
tilgovi | :) | 06:35 |
Stskeeps | you know you have a bad morning when you try to unrar x a rpm instead of rpm2cpio .. | 06:41 |
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Stskeeps | http://www.slashgear.com/mips-unveils-ice-cream-sandwich-tablet-under-100-05199910/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+slashgear+%28SlashGear%29 <- why a MIPS port of Mer could be interesting | 07:01 |
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Stskeeps | double <path in OBS seems broken | 08:02 |
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iekku | morning | 08:10 |
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Stskeeps | morn iekku | 08:19 |
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Termana | morning | 08:43 |
Stskeeps | morn Termana | 08:43 |
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sledges | thanks cxl000, I will update the wiki FAQ accordingly | 09:02 |
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sledges | good morning | 11:41 |
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sledges | Stskeeps, could you or anyone else give a glance-against-rubbish in the updated http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS ? thanks! | 11:42 |
sledges | i get confused with the terms FakeOBS server and ...obs-server... as-not-the-same-thing | 11:43 |
Stskeeps | when reading fakeobs, think mer delivery system | 11:43 |
Stskeeps | synchronize your instructions with http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup | 11:43 |
sledges | IMHO correctly is you need python tools/fakeobs.py running and then a command-line tools (osc) on openSUSE vm should be enough to start | 11:43 |
Stskeeps | nah | 11:44 |
sledges | Stskeeps, I avoided OBS_Setup altogether by running vmx image of OBS appliance | 11:44 |
Stskeeps | so, fakeobs is something an OBS server talks to, not a client | 11:44 |
sledges | i guess i'll be bumping, but as you lead me through, I'll update the wikis | 11:44 |
sledges | some server2server communication | 11:45 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 11:45 |
sledges | ok, so i rsynced it all, launched fakeobs and then obs VM will connect to it and pull again | 11:46 |
sledges | and start building | 11:46 |
sledges | I am now at step 7 of FakeOBS wiki | 11:46 |
Stskeeps | obs VM will connect to it to get stuff, yeah | 11:46 |
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slaine | sledges: I've some instructions I followed online too, let me dig them out | 11:47 |
slaine | http://slaine.org/files/OBS_Setup.txt | 11:48 |
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sledges | slaine: your txt is already in the wiki ;) | 11:48 |
sledges | I found that gem this morning | 11:48 |
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sledges | Stskeeps: i guess there are historical implications as to why obs can't connect straight to merproject | 11:49 |
slaine | I think that OBS_Setup on the wiki is different to what I wrote, just named the same, coincidence | 11:49 |
sledges | yes | 11:49 |
sledges | i named them differently, some redundance at the moment | 11:49 |
sledges | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_Setup_Guide | 11:49 |
sledges | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS links to it as well (especially for the famous step 7 :)) | 11:49 |
Stskeeps | sledges: long story short: meego.com OBS was/is horribly unstable and the live link to it caused people to loose several months of manhours | 11:49 |
slaine | lol, sweet, I didn't know that was there | 11:50 |
sledges | so you just go Linus way like Git and make it a "distributed OBS" by introducing FakeOBS ;) | 11:50 |
sledges | slaine: it's just hours fresh | 11:50 |
mingwandroid | vgrade: hi mate. | 11:50 |
slaine | sledges: Did you add it ? | 11:51 |
sledges | yes | 11:51 |
slaine | Cool, thanks | 11:51 |
sledges | anytime! | 11:51 |
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Stskeeps | sledges: yeah.. fakeobs3 will be more interactive and a true delivery system | 11:51 |
sledges | needs vacuuming but good to start | 11:51 |
Stskeeps | sledges: the idea is that companies can 'fork' the core that way and still receive updates in a proper git like manner | 11:52 |
sledges | yes, truly aiming at hardware porting, I start liking it ever more :) | 11:53 |
sledges | Stskeeps: I reckon you need Novel account at any rate, no? | 11:54 |
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sledges | osc config: Your user account / password are not configured yet. <...> | 11:54 |
Stskeeps | sledges: hmm? | 11:56 |
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Stskeeps | no, OBS comes with own usr database | 11:56 |
sledges | ok | 11:57 |
sledges | Creating osc configuration file /home/obs/.oscrc ... is taking forever | 11:58 |
sledges | might by due to: NETWORK SETUP FAILED: OBS is not usable. A working DHCP and DNS server in network is required! | 11:58 |
sledges | though I can ping google.com from VM, and I set-up network adapter to NATted through host | 11:58 |
Stskeeps | yeah.. that's why i wanted you to not take appliance | 11:59 |
Stskeeps | :P | 11:59 |
sledges | :)) | 11:59 |
Stskeeps | it has quirks | 11:59 |
sledges | I'll reflect that on wiki as I go.. | 12:00 |
sledges | I try going through first steps of http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_Setup_Guide#Setting_Up_the_OBS_Install | 12:02 |
sledges | probably I missed something before jumping straight to step #7 | 12:02 |
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* Stskeeps classifies the obs build script under voodoo | 12:11 | |
sledges | which one exactly? | 12:14 |
sledges | :) | 12:14 |
Stskeeps | /usr/lib/build/build | 12:15 |
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sledges | that's a fact.. but I've seen to many .sh scripts growing bushy unfortunately. They just have such tendency, no refactoring, no modularising.. | 12:18 |
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lbt_away | o/ | 13:16 |
Stskeeps | o/ | 13:17 |
phaeron | lbt_away: o/ | 13:20 |
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alterego | w00t: ping, where have you moved lipstick! :P | 14:23 |
w00t | alterego: /nemomobile/ | 14:23 |
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alterego | Thanks | 14:31 |
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sledges | Stskeeps, great success: setup appliance ok, have command `osc copypac fakeobs:Core:i586 acl home:glen:i586` working fine, updated wiki accordingly | 14:42 |
Stskeeps | congrats :) | 14:42 |
sledges | the issues i wrote you about earlier gone away with proper VM setup | 14:42 |
sledges | now, how about actually compiling something? :) | 14:42 |
sledges | FakeOBS setup on readme ends with "9. Verify with compiling same package against Core:i586 repo Core_i586 archs i586" :) | 14:43 |
Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS | 14:43 |
Stskeeps | but against fakeobs: instead of Mer:fake | 14:43 |
sledges | ok, I just read it, but it ends with only setting up the repos | 14:44 |
Stskeeps | that's what you have to do | 14:44 |
Stskeeps | a package builds against a repo | 14:44 |
sledges | what is the command to build it? or should i use web UI? | 14:45 |
* sledges obiously didn't get 100% into how OBS works, but getting there :) | 14:45 | |
Stskeeps | follow the instructions and set up the <repository> stuff in your project to point to your fakeobs's stuff | 14:46 |
sledges | yup, that's partially achievable already from following http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS and Mer_OBS_VM_Setup_Guide | 14:46 |
Stskeeps | ok, so OBS should start building it automatically | 14:48 |
Stskeeps | if you go to your project | 14:48 |
sledges | I see(!) | 14:48 |
Stskeeps | you see a (!) or what? | 14:49 |
Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
sledges | :D I understand what you mean, and I am pleasantly surprised for such-a-pick-up | 14:50 |
sledges | but I am looking at status monitor and everything's idle, obiously something broke, | 14:50 |
Stskeeps | check the home:glen:i586 you made | 14:50 |
sledges | ok, got down to it: it has only acl now to play aroud, and it failed: 400 remote error: syswrite | 14:55 |
Stskeeps | uhh :P | 14:56 |
Stskeeps | ls -l obs-repos on fakeobs | 14:56 |
sledges | googled: I got only 88M disk free :D | 14:57 |
Stskeeps | that doesn't help much | 14:57 |
sledges | skipped this one: ` sudo lvcreate --name obs_vm --size 100G buildhost` :D | 14:57 |
Stskeeps | ah.. :P | 14:57 |
sledges | now, disk space is expensive these days :)) (in terms of time..) | 14:58 |
slaine | sledges: tsp, that's the most important step | 15:01 |
slaine | s/tsp/tsk/ | 15:01 |
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snapperly | hi guys | 15:05 |
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sledges | slaine, thanks for the great tutorial, too btw! | 15:06 |
slaine | sledges: glad it was of some use | 15:06 |
sledges | will be for generations to come ;) | 15:06 |
slaine | next part is spending time creating an image and putting some software on it and documenting that | 15:06 |
slaine | I've been too busy over the last month to do anything much else | 15:07 |
sledges | you want a ready-made Mer appliance? ;) would be nice! | 15:07 |
sledges | yes, but as time tells, sometimes we just can't wait when there's an urge | 15:07 |
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Stskeeps | lo HazardousWaster | 15:07 |
slaine | well, the goal is to have a set of tools I can use at work to build my embedded linux distro | 15:07 |
sledges | yup, I hope my workplace would deviate from android a bit back to linux ... and such an image would shorten learning curve burnrates | 15:08 |
vgrade | mingwandroid, hi | 15:10 |
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Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: so what brings you here | 15:10 |
Stskeeps | ? | 15:10 |
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HazardousWaster | i'm setting up a PC for my car | 15:11 |
HazardousWaster | and Meego didn't seem like the best place to start anymore :) | 15:12 |
sledges | some IVI ? | 15:12 |
HazardousWaster | i'm trying to find the rest of the linux IVI community | 15:12 |
HazardousWaster | yeah | 15:12 |
sledges | guess Mer with KDE Plasma Active on top could go for you | 15:12 |
slaine | Or do a UX project of the Meego-IVI UX on Mer | 15:13 |
sledges | yea! | 15:13 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: you'd probably feel right at home then, Mer's a core, you can organise projects to value add IVI on top, we do all the boring core work, you have fun in your own areas :) | 15:14 |
HazardousWaster | is there anyone else heading in that direction yet or would i be on my own? :) | 15:14 |
sledges | guys, where does OBS server do all the compiling? I.e. where should I mount my 100G to? | 15:14 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: well, you're the first who speaks about it here, but i think there's definate interest | 15:14 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: just pioneers needed to kickstart it | 15:15 |
sledges | HazardousWaster, when next time an IVI-interested customer comes to our work, I would try to promote your effort, and join as well | 15:15 |
HazardousWaster | ok, i'll get to pioneering then | 15:15 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: what kind of specs does your car pc have? | 15:15 |
slaine | sledges: I re did the root as 100G. You could check out that other OBS_Setup on the wiki that lbt created, he has some good fs mounting options there. | 15:15 |
HazardousWaster | i've got an atom d525 on a zotac ionitx board | 15:16 |
HazardousWaster | in fact | 15:16 |
HazardousWaster | i've got one of these: http://www.mitxpc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=CPCNIONSE | 15:16 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: let me just give you a liveusb/iso you can try out right away | 15:17 |
HazardousWaster | oh excellent that would be a great start | 15:17 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-test-x86-1.2.90.20111205.1740.iso | 15:17 |
Stskeeps | ignore the meego part | 15:17 |
Stskeeps | this will boot into qmlviewer | 15:17 |
HazardousWaster | i've got all the accessories as well: usb gps, OBD2 unit and so on - i've previously had a car PC running windows XP | 15:18 |
beford | that seems to have nvidia graphics HazardousWaster | 15:18 |
HazardousWaster | yes it does | 15:18 |
Stskeeps | beford: not a real problem | 15:18 |
Stskeeps | beford: i have nvidia at home to tame too | 15:18 |
beford | nouveau ? | 15:18 |
HazardousWaster | I've got the meego UX running, just needed to replace egdsomething with vesa | 15:18 |
sledges | slaine, http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup can't find fs mount stuff in there | 15:19 |
Stskeeps | beford: for instance, you just need a gles -> gl lib | 15:20 |
slaine | hmm, I thought he had a load of stuff in there on how to mount the various directories for optimal compilation speed (i.e. have an SSD be the compiler dir) | 15:20 |
sledges | here? http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Requirements#Specifications | 15:21 |
sledges | those just specs still.. ok, I'll try resizing the hdd then | 15:21 |
Stskeeps | that's more for hardcore specifications | 15:21 |
Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
sledges | yup :) | 15:22 |
sledges | 12GB enough? give me the Mer upper bound please :) | 15:22 |
Stskeeps | 12gb is good as a start | 15:22 |
Stskeeps | i usually allocate 100gb myself as i do crazyass stuff | 15:22 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: so, in Mer we're very image-based, so one of the first things you'll likely need to know is to create your own images :) | 15:23 |
sledges | i wouldn't think otherwise :) | 15:23 |
HazardousWaster | that's not something i've ever done before, but i'm sure i can learn | 15:24 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:24 |
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alterego | Stskeeps: Mer_Core_* are the right repos to target? | 15:30 |
Stskeeps | see topic | 15:30 |
alterego | Heh | 15:35 |
alterego | Cool | 15:36 |
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phaeron | updated the link to the addrepos osc plugin | 15:39 |
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phaeron | there's also a simple linkprj plugin that could be useful for someone | 15:43 |
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sledges | Stskeeps, great success #2: guest-225-132 finished "build acl.spec" at Tue Dec 6 15:47:43 UTC 2011. | 15:48 |
Stskeeps | excellent | 15:48 |
sledges | it has some weirdnesses in the log: "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 369" et al. and "RPMLINT report:...sh: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory" even though it's stil there | 15:50 |
sledges | so, can I qemu it? :) | 15:51 |
Stskeeps | ignore those | 15:51 |
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sledges | so it built "Repository: Mer_Core_armv7hl Architecture: armv8el", but `file /var/cache/obs/worker/root_1/bin/rpm` says "rpm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped" | 15:53 |
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Stskeeps | yes | 15:54 |
Stskeeps | we cross compile | 15:54 |
sledges | oh file rpm.orig-arm | 15:54 |
sledges | rpm.orig-arm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped | 15:54 |
sledges | :) | 15:54 |
Stskeeps | yep | 15:54 |
sledges | so, after I build the whole Mer (not only acl), what would be the step after? | 15:55 |
sledges | in terms of deployment | 15:56 |
Stskeeps | OBS publishes those rpms to a repository, add them to a .ks (kickstart) file, make an image, boot | 15:56 |
sledges | ok, smells good | 15:56 |
* alterego remembers it's a Finish holiday today. (Don't expect reply to email) | 15:57 | |
sledges | :) from Linus? | 15:57 |
sledges | and I would add the smoku's imx repo in the completely equivalent way? (http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/Mer%3A/HA%3A/iMX/) | 15:58 |
sledges | for hardware adaptation for my i.MX53 | 15:59 |
Stskeeps | sledges: right | 15:59 |
sledges | Stskeeps, does Mer include kernels as well? | 16:00 |
sledges | or just rootfs | 16:00 |
sledges | i.e. kernel adaptation for i.MX i'll need to figure out myself. | 16:02 |
sledges | that's fine, but I lack of knowledge of linking libamdgpu-bin ... libz160-bin ... around (http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/Mer%3A/HA%3A/iMX/Mer_Core_armv7hl/armv7hl/) | 16:03 |
sledges | the last obstacle so to say | 16:03 |
Stskeeps | we dont' include kernels, for libamdgpu-bin just install them | 16:04 |
* sledges hasn't delved into understanding how libamdgpu will tell "hey I fix things for you, GUI space!" just by being installed. no compilation against them needed?) | 16:06 | |
Stskeeps | we build against a standard GLES2/EGL library+mesa, mesa | 16:06 |
Stskeeps | and on image build time replace with hw adaptation libraries | 16:07 |
sledges | nice, as long as the interface is the same! genious! :D | 16:07 |
Stskeeps | all they have to do is provide libGLESv2.so.2 and libEGL.so.1 | 16:07 |
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araujo | hello | 16:15 |
HazardousWaster | does anyone know offhand the user input options when presented with a partition layout? i can't actually see any (they've scrolled off my screen) but 1, 2 or 3 all result in installation failure, some with partioning failing because the device is busy | 16:15 |
araujo | Stskeeps, Sage any news about mer bug #9 ? | 16:16 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: just start with trying to boot instead of install | 16:16 |
Stskeeps | araujo: armv6 one? | 16:17 |
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araujo | Stskeeps, correct | 16:17 |
Venemo_N950 | hey guys :) | 16:17 |
Venemo_N950 | w00t, ping | 16:18 |
Stskeeps | araujo: no, but it seems to expand to other things | 16:18 |
sledges | hi Venemo_N950 | 16:18 |
Venemo_N950 | hello sledges :) how is your project progressing? | 16:18 |
HazardousWaster | Stskeeps: it booted into qmlviewer with no problems at all | 16:18 |
sledges | just built Mer in a VM | 16:18 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: excellent | 16:18 |
araujo | Stskeeps, mm.. if I try to submit requests , boss will reject it?, other platforms work fine | 16:19 |
sledges | Venemo_N950, I updated relevant wiki pages with my success story descending from FAQ to get some hands-on building for a random visitor | 16:19 |
Stskeeps | HazardousWaster: i think installer might possibly be buggy atm | 16:22 |
Venemo_N950 | sledges, that is nice :) | 16:22 |
sledges | cheers :) it's still in progress, just as I am lol | 16:22 |
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sledges | hope all instructions are to-the-point and not introducing caveats. will be able to tell once i put it on i.MX53 here | 16:23 |
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Venemo_N950 | sledges, do you also have a UX of your own or you'll use one of the existing ones? | 16:24 |
sledges | I am brave enough to try KDE Plasma Active (or just give me rope :)) | 16:24 |
Venemo_N950 | :) | 16:25 |
Venemo_N950 | rope? | 16:25 |
Venemo_N950 | what for? | 16:25 |
sledges | it was a colloquial term used by dm8tbr and Stskeeps, when I told them my ambitions | 16:26 |
Stskeeps | initially when sledges said he wanted to put a harmattan like experience on a ARMv6, we just gave him rope instead | 16:26 |
sledges | :) to hang-up i reckon | 16:26 |
sledges | yes, ARM11 | 16:26 |
Stskeeps | because that's just insane | 16:26 |
Stskeeps | :P | 16:26 |
Venemo_N950 | aah, a rope to hang himslef with? | 16:26 |
sledges | :)) | 16:26 |
Venemo_N950 | funny metaphor | 16:27 |
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Venemo_N950 | so you think plasma active will work on arm11, but a harmattanlike ux wouldn't? | 16:28 |
sledges | nope | 16:28 |
sledges | when we talked about plasma on ARM11, dm8tbr handed in more rope | 16:29 |
phaeron | araujo: which request was rejected ? | 16:29 |
Venemo_N950 | aah.. | 16:29 |
Venemo_N950 | so which ux will you use at the end? | 16:29 |
sledges | now I concentrate on demo on i.MX53, which is Cortex-A8 | 16:30 |
sledges | and forget ARM11 | 16:30 |
sledges | for now | 16:30 |
Venemo_N950 | right | 16:30 |
Venemo_N950 | dat's better! | 16:31 |
sledges | pity that Android runs on ARM11 | 16:31 |
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sledges | and hence the customer will still want android, since they chose ARM11 | 16:31 |
sledges | but I'd try to convince them to pay more money for their iron and get some decent stuff :) | 16:31 |
sledges | so ARM11's a showstopper for us :( | 16:32 |
Venemo_N950 | sledges, good luck :) | 16:32 |
sledges | unless something could be done about that | 16:32 |
sledges | in terms of Harmattan and Plasma givin-up on ARM11: i'd rephrase: with great responsibility, great power should come too :)) | 16:33 |
Venemo_N950 | well, if your arm11 has hw graphics accel, I could still imagine some nice qml ux on dat | 16:33 |
sledges | but that means writing the whole UX yourself, too much effort | 16:33 |
sledges | not for a final product definitely | 16:33 |
Stskeeps | well | 16:34 |
Venemo_N950 | mmhm | 16:34 |
Stskeeps | the point is really GLESv2 | 16:34 |
Venemo_N950 | yepp | 16:34 |
Venemo_N950 | sledges, Stskeeps surely knows what he's talking about, so listen to him :) | 16:35 |
sledges | yup, I surely know that :) | 16:35 |
Stskeeps | i have some -mild- hope about LLVMpipe on arm devices, but nothing beats hw | 16:37 |
vgrade | sledges, plasma on ARM11 raspberry Pi, http://twitpic.com/7dfw5p | 16:37 |
vgrade | sledges, a video would look the same | 16:37 |
vgrade | sledges, ie 1 frame per 10 mins | 16:38 |
sledges | vgrade, my first and last question was FPS :D | 16:38 |
vgrade | sledges, its not always about CPU its also about memory | 16:40 |
sledges | well, in couple of days I'll come back with those ARM11 specs to you guys :) | 16:41 |
vgrade | Stskeeps, what's the status of N9 adaptation and moslo etc, I have a new toy | 16:42 |
vgrade | Stskeeps, I saw some dual boot stuff mentioned | 16:42 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/ is one way | 16:43 |
Stskeeps | may not work on your device for timing issues | 16:43 |
sledges | vgrade, congrats, N9 is on my desk as well with Harmattan -- which is the main the reason I turned from Android to Mer+UX here in the office | 16:44 |
Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, isn't llvmpipe intended for multi-core beast cpus? | 16:48 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/31/qml-scene-graph-in-master/ | 16:48 |
Stskeeps | go down to "some numbers" | 16:49 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: with low enough resolution it might be good enough | 16:50 |
Stskeeps | anyway, it's useful for one thing in particular: mer in virtual machines | 16:50 |
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vgrade | thinks twice about the N9 install | 16:53 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: if you bought it retail, it will void your warranty | 16:53 |
Stskeeps | matrixx: i have merux in virtualbox, with llvmpipe :) | 16:53 |
Stskeeps | matrixx: even with shaders | 16:53 |
vgrade | especially as the instructions are for 64MB device. | 16:53 |
alterego | merux? :) | 16:54 |
vgrade | Stskeeps, was from Quim via leinir | 16:54 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: ah, congrats :) | 16:54 |
Stskeeps | alterego: matrixx made a simple startup screen that's the mer background and when you touch around on it, it makes ripples | 16:55 |
Stskeeps | (utilizing shaders) | 16:55 |
Stskeeps | instead of our qt quick startup | 16:55 |
alterego | Sweet | 16:55 |
dm8tbr | sledges: I just saw the raspberry pi, which is based on a armv11 soc but with gles. cool stuff | 16:55 |
alterego | Any videos? | 16:55 |
dm8tbr | yes there is one | 16:55 |
dm8tbr | check channel logs | 16:55 |
Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/merux-virtualbox.png | 16:58 |
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vgrade | Stskeeps, whats the performance like in that vm? | 17:00 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: it's like mesa and so on, but it's livable for development | 17:00 |
Stskeeps | er, vesa | 17:00 |
Stskeeps | it's like 35fps, not 2fps | 17:01 |
vgrade | good enough for a QtCreator target | 17:02 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 17:02 |
Stskeeps | you could probably double fps with dual core VM | 17:02 |
vgrade | Adds to the TODO list on the wiki | 17:02 |
Stskeeps | i need to see how it works on arm, but the idea is default llvmpipe in mer, real enablement for intel/etc is in hardware adaptations | 17:04 |
Stskeeps | and no libGL | 17:05 |
Stskeeps | (well, except for adaptations where you do libEGL/GLESv2 -> libGL | 17:06 |
Stskeeps | but no libgl in mer | 17:06 |
vgrade | ok | 17:06 |
vgrade | who can I talk to about N9 moslo | 17:08 |
Stskeeps | prod marquiz but i think all finns are off today :) | 17:08 |
vgrade | ah yes you menitioned holiday | 17:10 |
Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/06/archos-ceo-wants-to-create-a-child-sized-robot-for-less-than-300/ | 17:10 |
Stskeeps | i always wanted a budget robot running mer | 17:10 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:10 |
RaYmAn | Stskeeps: 'EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE' | 17:11 |
RaYmAn | :P | 17:11 |
Stskeeps | hehe | 17:11 |
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RaYmAn | Btw, can mer run without X11? (EGL/wayland?) | 17:13 |
Stskeeps | yes, but it's not by default set up to that | 17:14 |
Stskeeps | we don't have many x11 dependancies | 17:14 |
RaYmAn | okay | 17:14 |
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Stskeeps | vgrade: if i make armv7hl/armv6l/armv7l llvmpipe mesa libraries, will you volunteer to test them out? | 17:30 |
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vgrade | Stskeeps, yes, I can do that on vega and Pi or ZTE Blade | 17:39 |
Stskeeps | ok | 17:39 |
* Stskeeps waits for it to build | 17:40 | |
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vgrade | I was meaning to do new builds of things since the restructuring on OBS | 17:41 |
Stskeeps | i got a setup i know works on x86 now, so it makes it easier to debug the ARM side of things | 17:42 |
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vgrade | yes, always good to have something which works to compare with, I'm hoping to use the same on the tegra stuff | 17:43 |
Stskeeps | as we don't have to worry that configuration is screwed | 17:43 |
vgrade | yea, there seemed to be lots of ENV vars with the llvm stuff ir | 17:44 |
Stskeeps | i have it down to not using env variables, at all | 17:44 |
vgrade | good | 17:44 |
Stskeeps | though i need to see how it reacts on intel hw for instance | 17:44 |
vgrade | I have Exo | 17:45 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:45 |
vgrade | needs a bigger desk | 17:46 |
Stskeeps | uploading a livecd/usb iamge you can try for exo | 17:46 |
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vgrade | puts the exo on charge | 17:51 |
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Stskeeps | vgrade: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-test-x86-mesa-1.2.90.20111206.1744.iso | 17:58 |
Stskeeps | that'll boot to opengl qmlviewer | 17:58 |
vgrade | indeed it does | 18:02 |
Stskeeps | ok | 18:03 |
vgrade | but just restarted | 18:04 |
Stskeeps | hm? | 18:05 |
vgrade | let me get a kb | 18:05 |
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vgrade | rebooted, selected 'help' 'about' twice and X crashed and uxlaunch then restarted, now when I select 'help' x crashes and uxlaunch restarts | 18:08 |
vgrade | attaching kb for xsession errors | 18:08 |
Stskeeps | alterego mentioned something about that | 18:08 |
Stskeeps | either way, the point of the image was to see if it worked :P | 18:09 |
vgrade | we still have the black screen issue with nemo on this device too | 18:10 |
vgrade | related? | 18:10 |
Stskeeps | not sure | 18:10 |
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norayr | cxl000: hey, did you publish the image of mer for n810? | 18:12 |
vgrade | XI_HierarchyChanged for xsession-errors | 18:13 |
alterego | vgrade: the issue is with the touch screen driver on the exo, I think, at least the uxlaunch restarts. Causes a segfault in QtGui after processing multitouch events. | 18:14 |
Stskeeps | keep in mind, i basically forwarded the xinput2 patch so it might be some issues are caused | 18:14 |
Stskeeps | forward ported | 18:14 |
Stskeeps | but we should see a similar issue on n950 | 18:15 |
alterego | Don't have the same issue on N950 | 18:18 |
vgrade | looks like its the same crash I was having with Nemo, http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Nemo/Status, QtGui | 18:18 |
alterego | vgrade: I'd suspect the same issue to happen on nemo as well ;) | 18:18 |
alterego | I actually have the same issue happen under ubuntu on the exo, so :) | 18:18 |
vgrade | on nemo meegotouchhome segfaults, and you get a black screen | 18:20 |
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vgrade | only happens after a few touches | 18:21 |
alterego | Neat, got my UX to reload QML when I send it a special message :) | 18:21 |
vgrade | with the qmlviewer test, uxlauch brings it back | 18:21 |
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Stskeeps | lovely | 18:22 |
Stskeeps | mesa crashes gcc | 18:22 |
vgrade | Stskeeps, but that was the control then | 18:22 |
* Stskeeps is getting tired of our current toolchain | 18:22 | |
alterego | That is, executing the binary again with -reload causes it to tell the already running UX process to reload the QML :) | 18:22 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: rpm -e mesa-i915-dri-driver | 18:23 |
Stskeeps | (might be different name) | 18:23 |
Stskeeps | and the other dri drivers | 18:24 |
Stskeeps | and kill Xog | 18:24 |
Stskeeps | Xog | 18:24 |
Stskeeps | .. Xorg | 18:24 |
Stskeeps | i need a new keyboard. | 18:24 |
berndhs | just a bigger R key | 18:24 |
vgrade | \o/ | 18:28 |
Stskeeps | mm? | 18:28 |
vgrade | doh, live image | 18:29 |
vgrade | just rebooted | 18:29 |
Stskeeps | ah | 18:29 |
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matrixx | just saw Raspberry Pi live and some live coding by Andrew Baldwin :) | 18:33 |
matrixx | he basically showed me how I can port the merux to QtQuick2 | 18:33 |
matrixx | probably going to try it with 4.8 and the labs backported plugin first | 18:34 |
matrixx | basically all the gl shader stuff with mere qml <3 | 18:35 |
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Stskeeps | cool :) | 18:36 |
Stskeeps | saw my message above? | 18:36 |
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matrixx | just reading backlog | 18:38 |
Stskeeps | ok | 18:38 |
* alterego can't wait for Qt 5 ;) | 18:38 | |
vgrade | ok, killed Xorg and qml_viewer restarted | 18:38 |
vgrade | matrixx, hi | 18:38 |
Venemo | alterego, me either :) | 18:38 |
Venemo | alterego, especially Qt Quick 2 | 18:39 |
matrixx | Stskeeps: cool! | 18:40 |
matrixx | vgrade: 'lo | 18:40 |
mingwandroid | Stskeeps: What toolchain version are you using these days? | 18:40 |
Stskeeps | mingwandroid: 4.6.1 | 18:40 |
Stskeeps | i'd really like to go on 4.6.2 + linaro | 18:40 |
mingwandroid | Stskeeps: I'm providing exactly that for Android. | 18:40 |
mingwandroid | http://code.google.com/p/mingw-and-ndk/downloads/list | 18:41 |
Stskeeps | ok | 18:41 |
Stskeeps | we're working on some cross compilation changes but i wonder if i have to bite the bullet and just get the job done before that | 18:41 |
Stskeeps | mingwandroid: do you use their upstream tarball (linaro)? | 18:42 |
mingwandroid | Yeah, I based it on http://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.6/4.6-2011.10/+download/gcc-linaro-4.6-2011.10.tar.bz2 | 18:43 |
Stskeeps | ok | 18:43 |
mingwandroid | I could take this work on if you like? | 18:43 |
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Stskeeps | got a build.pub.meego.com account? | 18:44 |
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mingwandroid | yeah. | 18:45 |
mingwandroid | I did the kernel for tegra-2 | 18:45 |
vgrade | Stskeeps, mingwandroid has been working with me on vega adaptation so knows his way around | 18:45 |
mingwandroid | it's all part of the ks. | 18:45 |
Stskeeps | alright then | 18:45 |
mingwandroid | vgrade: I know my way around a little bit! A bit rusty as Necessitas stuff came up again. | 18:45 |
mingwandroid | ok. I'll speak later tonight if you guys are around? I want to get the Vega up and running again first, then I'll look at GCC, I'm well used to building GCCs though so that'll be no problem. | 18:46 |
Stskeeps | branch Core:i586 gcc and add repos as usual, but you need to add <path repository="Core_i586" project="Mer:fake:Core:i586" /> for each arm port | 18:46 |
Stskeeps | as well | 18:47 |
Stskeeps | and <arch>i586</arch> | 18:47 |
Stskeeps | and then linkpac gcc within the repository to cross-armv7l-gcc-accel and cross-armv7l-gcc , once for armv6l, once for armv7hl, once for armv7l | 18:47 |
mingwandroid | Stskeeps: is the fake obs stuff for local builds? I'll need to get that all up and running? (I should've done that back when I hacked the tegra-2 kernel, but I never did) | 18:47 |
Stskeeps | no | 18:47 |
Stskeeps | it's just a way we deliver mer right now :) | 18:48 |
mingwandroid | ah ok. Is a local OBS setup easy enough to get up and running? | 18:48 |
Stskeeps | there's been some people making guides | 18:49 |
Stskeeps | on wiki | 18:49 |
mingwandroid | ok will check it all later. I'll test on a root fs build for Advent Vega I think... | 18:49 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: I am almost there with the remote link thing. just need to find a way to return the results | 18:49 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: cool | 18:50 |
mingwandroid | how many GB will I need for local OBS for all of Mer core and PA? | 18:50 |
mingwandroid | may need to get a new HD tbh ;-) | 18:50 |
Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i'd say 100gb is on the very safe side | 18:50 |
Stskeeps | just recall it is a tough job | 18:50 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: the srcserver knows how to get stuff from remote urls , so I want to "handoff" the request to it | 18:51 |
Stskeeps | make sense | 18:51 |
mingwandroid | I guess it'll be a lot of waiting really? I mean, compiling and hacking gcc is ok-ish? | 18:51 |
Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i prefer gcc hacking on a cluster myself as you need to test the core for regressions | 18:51 |
Stskeeps | ie, we can't upgrade until all packages report succeeded :) | 18:52 |
Stskeeps | but anyway, even the packaging work is one burden off my shoulders | 18:52 |
mingwandroid | gcc 4.6 is exposing bugs that were hidden before too: | 18:52 |
mingwandroid | https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-19736 | 18:52 |
Stskeeps | and getting it to build | 18:52 |
alterego | Stskeeps: do we have Avahi in Mer repos | 18:52 |
alterego | ? | 18:52 |
Stskeeps | alterego: don't think so | 18:52 |
* alterego builds | 18:52 | |
mingwandroid | well, that's all fine. 4.6.1 -> 4.6.2 shouldn't be too bad. Do you enable graphite stuff by default at all? | 18:53 |
mingwandroid | vgrade: ejtagle's been hacking on kernel 2.6.39 for ICS on vega recently ;-) | 18:54 |
Stskeeps | mingwandroid: we use ppl/cloog but you're probably more versed in toolchains than me | 18:54 |
Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i'm mostly doing it because it was hard to get others to ;) | 18:54 |
mingwandroid | auto-parallisation? | 18:54 |
Stskeeps | take a look at spec, it gives a good hint | 18:55 |
Stskeeps | we have problems on armv6 right now at least | 18:56 |
Stskeeps | with __sync_and_synchronise | 18:56 |
Stskeeps | or something like that | 18:56 |
Stskeeps | so that's why i would like to move to latest linaro | 18:56 |
Stskeeps | binutils is also due an upgrade | 18:57 |
Stskeeps | btw, "sh precheckin.sh" before each commit is your friend | 18:57 |
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mingwandroid | ok got to go. | 19:00 |
Stskeeps | cya | 19:01 |
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vgrade | Stskeeps, ok have rpm -e dri package, and killed Xorg. It then starts up again | 19:02 |
Stskeeps | ok, good | 19:02 |
Stskeeps | then it's for sure using llvm | 19:02 |
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vgrade | Stskeeps, any clues from the Xorg.log | 19:06 |
Stskeeps | hm? | 19:07 |
vgrade | Xorg.loog looks the same, I was expecting to see some differences | 19:08 |
Stskeeps | nah, this happens outside xorg | 19:09 |
vgrade | no 'diff' in image so I can't confirm | 19:09 |
vgrade | ah ok | 19:09 |
vgrade | good result then, llvm and simplified test case for x86 touch crash | 19:11 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:13 |
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phaeron | looks like this could work | 19:26 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: did you solve the rpm header diff problem ? | 19:38 |
Stskeeps | no, not yet, i had to resort to other issues for the time being, but it should be trivial to regexp i | 19:38 |
Stskeeps | n | 19:38 |
Stskeeps | alterego/matrixx and others: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Astskeeps%3Aqt5 | 19:38 |
Stskeeps | qtbase,qtdeclarative is there at least | 19:39 |
Stskeeps | for x86 | 19:39 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: because when the worker gets the rpms over the remoteurl the rpm diff detects that the rpms were built on a different system | 19:39 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: i'm wondering if we can do this somehow with rpm macros.. | 19:40 |
Stskeeps | but you're right | 19:40 |
phaeron | and yes this means it is now able to get the rpms from remoteurl | 19:40 |
phaeron | need to test a bit more | 19:40 |
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alterego | Stskeeps: neat, thanks :) | 19:42 |
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lpjhjdh | Hi I was curious why obs was chosen over openembedded? | 19:54 |
Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: well, we can discuss, but can you tell me some of your perceived strengths of openembedded vs obs? | 19:55 |
lpjhjdh | I'm actually quite ignorant and am wanting to learn about their respective strengths and weaknesses.\ | 19:55 |
Stskeeps | well that's a start, so, i'll readily admit my knowledge of openembedded is limited, but i'll tell you why i like OBS | 19:56 |
lpjhjdh | Thanks, I was also curious if it's possible to host an obs build server on my own machine? | 19:57 |
Stskeeps | yes, it is | 19:57 |
Stskeeps | we have a couple of guides on wiki, just earlier today people discussed it | 19:57 |
Stskeeps | i like OBS because it makes me able to do a simple cycle of packaging -> build -> publish to repositories -> add repositories to image -> make image -> boot | 19:57 |
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Stskeeps | i like OBS because it allows me to collaborate with others and branch off their packages | 19:57 |
Stskeeps | i like OBS because it's a tool to make distributions and release them, shape and edit them | 19:58 |
Stskeeps | and i like OBS simply because i've been working with it for years :) | 19:58 |
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Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: you can try to navigate around on https://build.pub.meego.com to get a taste of the capabilities | 19:59 |
lpjhjdh | Thanks, had you mentioned I could find more info on how mer uses obs on the wiki? | 19:59 |
lpjhjdh | Ah, thanks. | 19:59 |
Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: yes, wiki has a lot of information | 19:59 |
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alterego | I'm not built for this packaging stuff :P | 20:00 |
Stskeeps | learn spectacle | 20:00 |
lpjhjdh | And thank you for your opinions, very helpful as I am sad to say I had never even heard of obs till today :) | 20:00 |
Stskeeps | openembedded/yocto has it's strengths and i'd probably use it for lower-end devices | 20:00 |
lpjhjdh | Can I put together an environment from scratch with obs? | 20:01 |
alterego | I never got openembedded to work. | 20:01 |
alterego | I ended up using buildroot for a project which I wanted to use that for. | 20:01 |
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Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: sure, we actually have a guide to set up OBS'es -and- start building entire mer all on your own | 20:01 |
Stskeeps | usually you wouldn't mess too much with core and just build above | 20:01 |
Stskeeps | as we publish RPM packages you can base on those and just compile your overlay | 20:02 |
_Thomas | Stskeeps: is launchpad also something more or less like obs? (I guess that's what the debian/ubuntu/linaro-guys use?) | 20:02 |
* _Thomas has been more or less ignorant on this | 20:02 | |
lpjhjdh | Stskeeps: should I be looking on the meego website for all this? | 20:02 |
Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: some info is on meego website but we're making documentation as we go in Mer | 20:03 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: ish, but in Mer, everybody has their own PPAs | 20:03 |
Stskeeps | er, in OBS | 20:03 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: take a look around on https://build.pub.meego.com -> projects and show home projects too | 20:03 |
_Thomas | I did do a quick browse some time ago without really getting any grip on it :D | 20:04 |
_Thomas | but doesn't every user have it's own ppa in debian? | 20:04 |
_Thomas | erh, launchpad | 20:04 |
Stskeeps | i guess, but this is more of a builder-focused thing | 20:04 |
lpjhjdh | Stskeeps: sorry but where was that info on how to set up obs'es and start building mer? | 20:05 |
Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_VM_Setup_Guide | 20:05 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: one detail is that ARM ppas aren't available to the general public, to my knowledge | 20:05 |
Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: and http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Local_Mer | 20:05 |
Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: for most product cases you shouldn't have to build entire mer, just build on top and perhaps hack a few packages in core | 20:06 |
lpjhjdh | Thanks! | 20:06 |
Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: what are you hoping to use Mer for? | 20:06 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2976691 | 20:07 |
_Thomas | Stskeeps: not available to the general public? | 20:07 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: yeah, i'm wondering what's the best way to do it upstreamable | 20:07 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: but at least it now gets the stuff to compare | 20:07 |
phaeron | wasn't so difficult after all | 20:08 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: yeah, the launchpad service doesn't offer ARM PPAs | 20:08 |
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Stskeeps | because of potential security issues, i think | 20:08 |
lpjhjdh | I'm actually just wanting to learn how it has been put together as I had followed meego in the past. I'd also just like to test it out on a tablet. | 20:09 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: /usr/lib/build/rpm-check.sh comes from build-compare rpm. | 20:09 |
Stskeeps | yes | 20:09 |
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_Thomas | Stskeeps: Does OBS have the same blueprint / workload / project-part that launchpad has? | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | lpjhjdh: :nod: feel free to hang out here and get to know things - http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb shows how Mer is put together on package level | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: nop, OBS is more concentrated around review, packaging and building | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: it does however offer source services to link with git and such though | 20:10 |
_Thomas | Stskeeps: http://status.linaro.org/11.12/ <- But nothing that resembles tihs? | 20:10 |
_Thomas | this | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: correct, that'd be an outside tool | 20:11 |
phaeron | that looks more like bugzilla or something | 20:12 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: OBS's "just" a tool to do building/releasing with, current attempts to make it more than that hasn't worked well | 20:13 |
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_Thomas | Stskeeps: ok | 20:14 |
_Thomas | Stskeeps: I like the linaro-pages, but I don't like launchpads bazar requirments | 20:15 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 20:15 |
Stskeeps | in Mer itself we'd probably use a combination of bugzilla, graphing of our CI process, or something | 20:15 |
_Thomas | I never liked bugzilla | 20:16 |
Stskeeps | it does it's job, but yes, it has it's moments of frustration | 20:16 |
_Thomas | We're currently using chiliproject | 20:16 |
Stskeeps | much of it comes from bad administration/handling | 20:16 |
_Thomas | But I'm missing project / planning / good status overview | 20:17 |
Stskeeps | yeah.. i've seen some really good ones in companies, but the OSS ones are a bit lacking | 20:18 |
_Thomas | I don't mind paying for something | 20:18 |
_Thomas | but I haven't seen anyone I'd put money on, either | 20:18 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: we can submit the fix to https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=build-compare&project=openSUSE:Tools | 20:49 |
Stskeeps | yes, i have that in mer too | 20:51 |
Stskeeps | i'm just wondering if it's a good idea to disable | 20:51 |
Stskeeps | by default | 20:51 |
phaeron | I say everything upto the md5sum and license at the end should be ignored | 20:54 |
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Stskeeps | is a build really equal if it was done on a different machine? :) | 20:57 |
Stskeeps | or is it the result that matters | 20:57 |
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mingwandroid | hi | 21:05 |
Stskeeps | evening | 21:06 |
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mingwandroid | Stskeeps: You got any link for setting up local OBS? | 21:13 |
Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_VM_Setup_Guide , http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Local_Mer , but i would advise you to try out the gcc + linkpac stuff first | 21:15 |
Stskeeps | on public obs | 21:15 |
mingwandroid | via web interface? | 21:16 |
mingwandroid | Branch package from other project? | 21:17 |
mingwandroid | (I've done this stuff only once before a few months ago so apologies that I need a refresher) | 21:17 |
Stskeeps | just get to know the 'osc' client :) | 21:19 |
Stskeeps | osc branch in that and osc linkpa | 21:19 |
Stskeeps | c | 21:19 |
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mingwandroid | Stskeeps: Think I've got a url wrong somewhere. | 21:27 |
mingwandroid | osc bco Core:i586 gcc | 21:27 |
mingwandroid | Server returned an error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 21:27 |
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mingwandroid | accesses https://api.pub.meego.com | 21:32 |
vgrade | mingwandroid ,sec while I boot vm | 21:34 |
mingwandroid | osc branch Mer:fake:Core:i586 gcc | 21:34 |
mingwandroid | that worked ;-) | 21:34 |
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mingwandroid | Stskeeps: Ok, I branched and bco'd gcc. | 21:38 |
mingwandroid | Stskeeps: You said "you need to add <path repository="Core_i586" project="Mer:fake:Core:i586" /> for each arm port" what file is this in? | 21:38 |
Stskeeps | osc meta prj -e yourproject | 21:38 |
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Stskeeps | as in url in topic | 21:39 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: doesn't the script go on to check more deeply | 21:45 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: https://github.com/MeeGoIntegration/open-build-service/commit/10e44b8d0477ae316be009064a0e5c1158683a03 | 22:01 |
phaeron | latest form of the patch | 22:01 |
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mingwandroid | Stskeeps: Ok, I did the osc branch and I got a local branch. I editted the meta data too, and the package seems to be building. | 22:24 |
mingwandroid | Stskeeps: I also checked it out, and have editted gcc.spec, do I need to linkpac or anything or can I just commit? | 22:25 |
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