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| wmarone | vgrade: how do you go about generating your filesystems for the trimslice? | 00:14 |
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| vgrade1 | eg, http://images.formeego.org/trimslice/mer-armv7hl-plasma-trimslice.ks | 00:20 |
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| wmarone | ok, I give. can't make heads or tails of this. will try again later. | 00:56 |
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| vgrade | wmarone, the kickstart? | 01:08 |
| wmarone | most things, OBS included | 01:08 |
| wmarone | but I'm burnt out after battling x-loader and u-boot | 01:08 |
| wmarone | for the better part of a week trying to get this thing to boot the B&N kernel | 01:08 |
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| vgrade | wmarone, like most things flexibilty comes with a huge learning curve. ping me if you want to walk through OBS, kickstarts etc | 01:25 |
| wmarone | well aware of that | 01:26 |
| wmarone | I will probably do so, but later | 01:26 |
| vgrade | np, time for sleep for me | 01:27 |
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| Stskeeps | zzz | 06:34 |
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| marquiz_ | morning | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 06:44 |
| Ronksu | morning | 06:44 |
| marquiz_ | how's Ronksu nowadays? | 06:46 |
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| Ronksu | marquiz_: good or confused depending on the day :) | 06:48 |
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| vgrade | morning | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 07:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: %post scripts.. do they get run with /bin/sh or /bin/bash? | 07:04 |
| Sage | I would say /bin/sh but not sure | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:05 |
| Sage | /bin/bash just wouldn't make sense to me | 07:05 |
| Sage | you can have ash installed for example | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | i'm pondering if it would make sense to run with dash as /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | i know we had a significant win of that on n8x0 | 07:05 |
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| Stskeeps | (dash is BSD license, btw) | 07:05 |
| joroi | I just checked rpm code yesterday for another reasons and noticed that it uses /bin/sh | 07:06 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 07:06 |
| * Sage is sad as his N810 sees to be dead | 07:06 | |
| Sage | *seems | 07:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: what symptoms? | 07:06 |
| Sage | It gets power but after the nokia logo just nothing happens | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | get it on a jig, enable serial console/rd mode? | 07:07 |
| Sage | need to try to reflash to factory because can't recall what I have on it :) | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | if it shows nokia logo that's pretty good | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: my worry is a bit we have a lot of bashisms in rpm postscripts | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | like if [ foo == bar ] | 07:08 |
| Sage | also with charger is started to loop the nokia logo which didn't seem good | 07:08 |
| Sage | well, the thing is that we shouldn't have any in there ;) | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:08 |
| Sage | I mean scripts in %post is generally bad thing | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | true | 07:09 |
| * Stskeeps adds to architectual backlog | 07:09 | |
| Sage | can someone point out where is the latest diablo release? btw | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | osc api -X POST "/source/PROJECT/PACKAGE?cmd=set_flag&flag=build&status=disable" | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | errr.. | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 07:10 |
| Sage | 3816816641 bytes (3.8 GB) copied, 292.649 s, 13.0 MB/s | 07:11 |
| Sage | ^ one just has to love class 10 cards | 07:11 |
| * marquiz_ downloading the latest nemo daily image | 07:12 | |
| * Sage is quite happy with this release, we finally are close to CE in functionality and have a lot of new things as well. | 07:16 | |
| * Sage moves to #nemomobile | 07:16 | |
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| Sage | marquiz_: you gave the n950 ofono patch a look right? | 07:21 |
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| marquiz_ | Sage: yeah, a looong time ago ;) | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | this is one of those mornings where i really don't want to be pondering where i left my n900 magnet.. | 07:24 |
| marquiz_ | ;) | 07:25 |
| marquiz_ | you should by a bigger magnet | 07:25 |
| Sage | ah, n900 uses n950 driver atm. | 07:25 |
| Sage | that might be a problem | 07:25 |
| marquiz_ | and tape it on your device or smth :D | 07:25 |
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| * Sage taped his bigger magnet to jig :) | 07:26 | |
| marquiz_ | Sage: the only difference in ofono should be the modem driver | 07:26 |
| marquiz_ | that handles the hw: pwron, resets etc. | 07:26 |
| Sage | marquiz_: http://pastie.org/2918007 <- | 07:26 |
| marquiz_ | Sage: at a quick look, that looks ok | 07:27 |
| Sage | really? | 07:27 |
| Sage | so n900 is using n950 driver is ok? | 07:28 |
| marquiz_ | ah, no, sorry | 07:28 |
| marquiz_ | that doesn't look good ;) | 07:29 |
| Sage | [ /n9500 ] | 07:29 |
| Sage | ^ from n900 | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | we probably need to fix that :P | 07:29 |
| marquiz_ | don't have a n900 with nemo at hand, so can't check | 07:29 |
| Sage | I ponder if our gprs etc problems are because of that and also the kernel crash that happens | 07:29 |
| marquiz_ | take a look at udev database :) | 07:30 |
| marquiz_ | on n900 that is | 07:30 |
| Sage | marquiz_: can you give cmd? | 07:30 |
| marquiz_ | udevadm info --export-db or smth | 07:30 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/2918036 | 07:32 |
| Sage | ah, got the n950 patch applied on top of ofono master | 07:33 |
| Sage | only three parts are not applied | 07:33 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/2918041 | 07:35 |
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| Sage | a) what is that cbs? | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | cell broadcast services | 07:35 |
| marquiz_ | hmm, seems to be quite hard separate n900 and n950 in the udev rules... | 07:35 |
| Sage | b) the middle part is easy just needs rebase | 07:35 |
| Sage | c) udev rule needs fix | 07:35 |
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| marquiz_ | i remember cbs wasn't supported by the isimodem driver (for n950) | 07:37 |
| marquiz_ | that is ofono didn't work if cbs was enabled (that might have changed, though) | 07:37 |
| marquiz_ | Sage: was that udevdb snippet from n900 or n950? | 07:39 |
| Sage | n900 | 07:39 |
| Sage | is there any difference? :) | 07:39 |
| marquiz_ | don't know, yet, because i don't have the n950 counterpart ;) | 07:40 |
| * marquiz_ is "flashing" n950... | 07:41 | |
| marquiz_ | the dual-boot _seems_ to work ok | 07:41 |
| Sage | what is the latest one click flasher for n950? | 07:44 |
| marquiz_ | 39-4, i guess? | 07:45 |
| Sage | I could find http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ | 07:45 |
| marquiz_ | ah 39-5 it was... | 07:45 |
| Sage | marquiz_: and your dualboot instructions were at? | 07:46 |
| marquiz_ | Sage: http://wiki.meego.com/User:marquiz/N950 | 07:46 |
| marquiz_ | for very adventurous users, only ;) | 07:46 |
| dcthang | Stskeeps: camera on N900/n9 works with gst-plugins-good package | 07:47 |
| * Sage ponders if he is counted as "very adventurous" user | 07:48 | |
| Sage | :) | 07:48 |
| marquiz_ | can't say for sure :D | 07:48 |
| marquiz_ | but i'd prolly categorize you that way ;) | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: good | 07:49 |
| dcthang | so bacically it lacks that package for Mer 1.3 | 07:50 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it should be in the UI/hardware adaptation - there's no Mer 1.3, what image are you using by the way? | 07:51 |
| Sage | dcthang: that is included in latest release | 07:55 |
| Sage | dcthang: it was a missing dependency from meego-handset-camera app | 07:55 |
| dcthang | ah ok | 07:56 |
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| dcthang | I used your image, Stskeeps | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, true | 07:56 |
| marquiz_ | Sage: if you try the dual-boot, you need to create the good old bzImage and cmdline links (doesn't seem to be in the image, anymore) | 07:59 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: where did OCF extract the content? | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: /tmp somewhere | 07:59 |
| Sage | I tried to avoid that answer :) | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | life's not fair | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:00 |
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| Sage | I can't find them from /tmp | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | ls -al | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: did you manage to strip telepathy even further btw? | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | than mdfe's list | 08:01 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: 7 packages + peregrine :) | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda like the rule "if it contains gtk in it's name, you're doing something wrong' | 08:02 |
| * Sage though he responded to the ml | 08:02 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:02 |
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| Sage | hehe | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | btw, experiences with updating packages for n900/n950 for new systemd, what was the issues? | 08:03 |
| Sage | 1st assumption when getting packages to Mer. Assume that all the build deps are wrong :) | 08:03 |
| Sage | ;) | 08:03 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: when blues started working it conflicts with gsm and wifi or something | 08:03 |
| Sage | bluez | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 08:03 |
| Sage | ok, how can I get this old moslo out of my device? :D | 08:04 |
| Sage | can't flash new stuff in it with it | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | there was a guide how to remove t | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | it | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | on arm/n950 | 08:05 |
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| Sage | In order to boot Harmattan again, MeeGo and Moslo must be removed. This can be done by using OneClickFlasher available here: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html | 08:07 |
| * Sage searches the old guide | 08:07 | |
| Sage | ah, there it is | 08:08 |
| Sage | lol, it doesn't export the rootfs :P | 08:09 |
| Sage | why do I feel like monday... oh wait it is friday already | 08:09 |
| Sage | ah, no I can remember. N950 works only on one of my laptops USB ports | 08:10 |
| Sage | Flashing unsuccessful | 08:13 |
| Sage | :( | 08:13 |
| Sage | First N810 doesn't respond and now even N950 is giving me hard time | 08:13 |
| mdavey | vgrade: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=1003.0#postid-17394 | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: i am already considering if i should just go back to bed a bit, yeh :P | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i mean :P | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 08:17 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning | 08:17 |
| Sage | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 08:20 |
| Sage | oh, come on already. | 08:20 |
| Sage | maybe the battery is too low. | 08:20 |
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| mihero | doesn't that error come when you have insufficent access rights to usb, in ubuntu needs root for example? | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | or old flasher | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | or phonet driver is loaded | 08:23 |
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| veskuh | lbt: Quite nice splash screen! | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: i have a fun challenge.. i want to be able to disable individual packages for building in a linkedbuild project | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, disable or enable, enable is more like it | 08:27 |
| phaeron | we want to be able to disable a package as well. to simulate delete requests | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | or better yet.. | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | disable packages from meta prj | 08:28 |
| phaeron | you mean the prj meta can say a package should be disabled ? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | just like it can say an entire arch can be disabled for a repo | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | the reason i'm asking is because in mer, we have ARM ports and x86 port sort of seperate, but we still need to build some x86 packages for injecting into the arm scheduler, so we disable all x86 builds, and only enable a few | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | and that's a mess with linked projects | 08:30 |
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| phaeron | and you're using a linked project for this because .. ? | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | because of fakeobs, i ideally would like to go away from having to linkpac every single package | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | and instead just do to a linked project against fakeobs's Core:armv7l project for actually building it | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | the idea is that the mer build is replicate-able anywhere in simple steps | 08:37 |
| phaeron | so eventually you want linked project to be able to produce full repos (not just the rebuilt stuff)? | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:37 |
| phaeron | but then you want rebuild = all | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | linkedbuild, but yeah | 08:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, i have fakeobs's Core:i586 project, which is sources + binaries of the last built version. on any given OBS, i'd like to be able to simply do a linkedbuild=all linked project to re-build the core | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | (and same for armv7l where most of x86 arch builds will be disabled) | 08:39 |
| phaeron | ok sounds like the first sentence should work now | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | for i586 it works but breaks apart in arm scenario, with some packages happening to be enabled for x86 | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | as i can't individually enable packages and it ignores _meta from the linked project | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | (which states "disabled for i586" | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | _meta being pkg meta | 08:41 |
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| phaeron | ok look like a bug | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:42 |
| phaeron | I'll try to look at that | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | would be cool - it probably is same issue as with your wanting to disable some builds to simulate disabled | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be happy with a meta prj approach to state which to enable | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | / disable | 08:42 |
| phaeron | I am more motivated to contribute to OBS now that my two pull requests were accepted :) | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:45 |
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| damnshock | morning everyone | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | morn damnshock | 08:53 |
| damnshock | I'm trying to install mer, actually nemo, on my N900's sd card | 08:53 |
| damnshock | but when I'm loading hte kernel I get a kernel panic :S | 08:54 |
| damnshock | I've followed this instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | put the back cover on | 08:54 |
| damnshock | mmmm wow | 08:54 |
| damnshock | I guess that's a known problem then | 08:55 |
| damnshock | isn't it? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | not a problem, just error 40 | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's a magnet in the cover that kernel uses to signal the SD is getting removed | 08:55 |
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| Stskeeps | as to prevent destruction of data | 08:55 |
| damnshock | let's see what happens | 08:55 |
| damnshock | FW error, Sending firmware | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's better | 08:56 |
| damnshock | although it seems to be loading :D | 08:56 |
| damnshock | that's for the tip Stskeeps | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | wiki page says: "When booting from a memory card make sure that the device's back cover is on. Otherwise the card will not mount and you'll see a kernel panic" | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:57 |
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| damnshock | my apologies | 08:59 |
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| damnshock | :S | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, no problem | 08:59 |
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| damnshock | seems a bit slow, might be my class 4 sd card though | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | #nemomobile for that part :) | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | we had a speed regression for sure | 09:01 |
| damnshock | still, it's much faster than meego 1.1 or 1.2 | 09:02 |
| damnshock | Stskeeps: is it a known problem? | 09:02 |
| damnshock | I mean, have you localized where the problem is? | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | damnshock: we suspect it's within the vicinity of tracker | 09:02 |
| damnshock | hahahahhaha Qt Flying bus | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | morn arc_mat, notmart | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat: any news on gles? | 09:03 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: I had to slow down a bit, dayjob is taking over | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat: alright | 09:04 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: wondering if I should not try to port a more recent kernel to our devices | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | what's the current 'production' kernel? | 09:05 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: and I desperately need an Xorg/pvr expert | 09:05 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: 2.6.35.7 | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat: that should be OK | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | arc_mat: let's try to base on that i guess | 09:06 |
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| notmart | Stskeeps: 'morning ;) | 09:09 |
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| damnshock | crap! I'm late for work! I hate you guys, stop developing great things!!! | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 09:09 |
| * damnshock goes to work, be back in a few minutes | 09:09 | |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, I have found interesting things | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 09:23 |
| ScriptRipper | seems now I can build Mer | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 09:23 |
| ScriptRipper | it was the OBS interconnect | 09:23 |
| ScriptRipper | sent e-mail to you about it | 09:24 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, but I have another issue | 09:24 |
| ScriptRipper | currently, lint complains about python not installed | 09:24 |
| ScriptRipper | with | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that happens to me too | 09:25 |
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| ScriptRipper | "/usb/bin/python" not found | 09:25 |
| ScriptRipper | but dont install it | 09:25 |
| ScriptRipper | because then it breaks all arm builds | 09:25 |
| ScriptRipper | after a while | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | the reason i wanted you to install fakeobs, by the way, is because then i can see exact same issues as you do | 09:26 |
| ScriptRipper | because both cross-accel and libstdc++-x86 haven them some pyhton files *double* | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | as we have a similar setup | 09:26 |
| ScriptRipper | but it was not setup | 09:26 |
| ScriptRipper | it was just a copy error due to OBS interconnect | 09:26 |
| ScriptRipper | I hate the OBS interconnect | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know, but still | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | i can't do much about any bug reports if we don't have same setup :) | 09:27 |
| ScriptRipper | I cant test with all the remote OBS timeouts | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | fakeobs is localhost | 09:27 |
| ScriptRipper | which also happen with fakeobs | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | and doesn't reach out into the net | 09:28 |
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| ScriptRipper | yes, but I talk about a copy of the source I need | 09:28 |
| ScriptRipper | which uses currently a remote OBS | 09:28 |
| ScriptRipper | and makes trouble as always | 09:28 |
| ScriptRipper | so I just did a plain copy to my OBS to work around | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:29 |
| ScriptRipper | and then I need no OBS interconnect after the bootstrsap | 09:29 |
| ScriptRipper | so to say I found a bug in osc | 09:29 |
| ScriptRipper | "errorness checkout of source without error when project is using OBS interconnect" | 09:30 |
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| ScriptRipper | no setup problem | 09:30 |
| ScriptRipper | nothing | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, so, what you really want is to be able to do Mer in the same way as the rest of us, in order to verify qemu, right | 09:30 |
| ScriptRipper | the python thing is just a remark | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | and do your own builds of mer fully | 09:31 |
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| ScriptRipper | that if we want to pkg install python we need to fix 2 pkgs | 09:31 |
| ScriptRipper | or arm builds get borked | 09:31 |
| ScriptRipper | i want to check my new QEMU | 09:31 |
| ScriptRipper | I dont want to fork Mer | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | right, and this way you don't have to :) | 09:32 |
| ScriptRipper | I have to, because I always want to have a local copy if I check my OBS or QEMU code | 09:32 |
| ScriptRipper | the reason is that you really cant verify subtle QEMU bugs like | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | OK, so, i have 30 minutes at the moment and i'd like to teach you how to install fakeobs, so you get an exact same build setup as we do in Mer builders themselves | 09:33 |
| ScriptRipper | ones that have to do with file permissions or wrong build up of the rootfs | 09:33 |
| ScriptRipper | so I cant use binaries from a remote OBS for this | 09:34 |
| ScriptRipper | really | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | fakeobs is a local copy | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | so, trust me, this is what you want to have in order to test your qemu things | 09:34 |
| * damnshock is back | 09:35 | |
| ScriptRipper | does fake OBS use OBS interconnect to get the local copy ? | 09:35 |
| damnshock | this conversations seems interesting :) | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | no | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | you'll see as we go through the guide what exactly it does :) | 09:36 |
| ScriptRipper | but it gets copy from your OBS ? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't even touch my OBS's api :) | 09:36 |
| ScriptRipper | then explain it , I am fully awake :D | 09:36 |
| ScriptRipper | uses git ? | 09:36 |
| ScriptRipper | and emulates OBS ? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | so, in simple terms: fakeobs is a program that provides OBS /public API | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | fakeobs works on top of git repositories hosted in the filesystem, copies of RPMs, and some metadata, all rsynced down from releases.merproject.org | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | it does not reach out to the internet in any way when it runs | 09:38 |
| Bostik | iow. everything is local | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | and exports those OBS projects over the /public API, both RPM and sources | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | when you set it up first time, you rsync down the current state of git repositories, http://releases.merproject.org/packages-git/mer-core/ , metadata (describing OBS projects), and latest build results (RPM), such as http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:armv7hl:latest/Core_armv7hl/i586/ | 09:41 |
| jonnor_work | How much data is pulled in on such a sync? (roughly) | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | it makes a lot more sense when you actually set it up, so, please do http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS step 1 --- for smmap, async, gitdb, gitpython, you can install 'python-pip' (need python-devel, gcc, zlib-devel) and pip install smmap async gitdb gitpython | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | jonnor_work: sec | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | jonnor_work: packages-git is 1.3gb right now, all five ports (i486, i586, armv6l, armv7l, armv7hl) is 2.8gb | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | in total | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | packages-git rate of change is obviously not 1.3gb each time | 09:44 |
| jonnor_work | ok, that is reasonable | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | and you have to remember this is fully mirror-able | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | potentially the rate of change for ports/binaries can be a lot lower if you're only interested in "latest" always | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | as the rpms don't change much for much of it | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | jonnor_work: and best of all.. just because i take down mer continous integration/release OBS for maintainig, your business doesn't stop | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no live OBS links | 09:51 |
| jonnor_work | I like it. It allows a fully local workflow | 09:51 |
| jonnor_work | Is upstream OBS aware of fakeobs and what it can do? | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | like OBS the software? | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | other advanced features is that you can maintain your own local Core semi-fork too, to test/do fixes before upstreaming, as well as use the core in a Continous Integration setup | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | as the core is in git | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | so you can follow it change by change | 09:53 |
| Sage | cxl000: btw, is charging working on n810? | 09:54 |
| jonnor_work | Stskeeps, no, OBS the project/team | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah, not sure | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | it's just something you can <remoteurl> to | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | the proper name is more like "mer delivery system" or something :P | 09:56 |
| jonnor_work | It sounds like it could be useful outside Mer as well | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | probably, yeah | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | it does require some special scripts to generate it though | 09:57 |
| jonnor_work | Stskeeps, how does the packages get into git? | 09:57 |
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| Stskeeps | jonnor_work: sec, let me give you the tour.. | 09:57 |
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| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=packages.xml;h=3a55e9c874e29ca71c3d6360522dfa88aa841bf2;hb=HEAD is the core metadata | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/pcre.git;a=tree is a typical package | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org is how changes come in | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | through gerrit | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | and then we do CI based on those changes/actual build tests, etc | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/boss-workflow.git;a=blob;f=gerrit-hooks/patchset-created;h=dd30df050fc65cb10cfa2ea0d85895656e84bedc;hb=HEAD specifically | 10:00 |
| ScriptRipper | I am thinking if parts of it could be used by default with OBS | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. my philosophy right now is to use OBS as a builder and that's it | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | but if others want to do otherwise, that's fine | 10:07 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: my problems probably show that I haven't touched my n950 much lately ;) | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | can always try cold flash | 10:23 |
| Sage | how can I extract that ocf? Can't find the files under /tmp | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-z it before it flashes? | 10:24 |
| Sage | it is easing the mmc atm. should be shown already? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 10:25 |
| Sage | hmmp, nothing | 10:25 |
| Sage | they changed the behaviour in the latest image? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: have you by chance looked into what happens if we have two qt's in mer? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | qt4 and qt5 | 10:40 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: currently won't work, since both drop .so files in /usr/lib and the names conflict | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah, true.. | 10:42 |
| damnshock | no qt4.8 yet and you are already thinking on 5? :P | 10:42 |
| Bostik | includes, imports, and everything else is prefixed into qt4/qt5 | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | damnshock: we have qt5 packaging so | 10:42 |
| Bostik | damnshock: 4.8 is the last qt before 5 becomes the real target | 10:42 |
| Bostik | ...and for the moment, it's still quite badly broken | 10:42 |
| Bostik | mostly because the developers are jhaving a field day; they were allowed to invoke flag day, so they decidec to decorate a forest of christmas trees with strings of flags :) | 10:43 |
| lbt | :D | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 10:46 |
| lbt | morning (ish) | 10:46 |
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| damnshock | Bostik: yeah, well, qt5 was targeted for next year, wasn't it? ;) | 11:05 |
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| damnshock | morning lbt | 11:05 |
| Bostik | targeted, yes; originally a beta was planned sometime this year but I wouldn't hold my breath | 11:05 |
| lbt | morning damnshock | 11:06 |
| Bostik | considering that I keep the packaging up to date I have been considering whether to apply for the raspberry pi program... | 11:07 |
| damnshock | lbt: I successfully installed nemo this morning :) | 11:10 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, wl1271: ERROR nvs size is not as expected: 912 != 800, from last nights hacking when I brought up wlan0. The driver needs an onler fw file. | 11:14 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: where did the firmware file come from? | 11:14 |
| vgrade | I was using the ones packaged for Panda so much newer. Current driver needs http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/56411 | 11:15 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: nvs is something else than firmware, it's basically mac address, calibration and configuration data | 11:15 |
| arc_mat | ah yes | 11:15 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, yea but stored in the fw dir | 11:16 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: sorry, buried in ice cream sandwiches. | 11:16 |
| arc_mat | later | 11:16 |
| lbt | damnshock: good news | 11:17 |
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| dm8tbr | Sage: btw, while you're at telepathy, it would probably make sense to look at telepathy-haze | 13:32 |
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| dannybe | anyone try getting mer on quallcomm snapdragon chip? like the dragonboard develpment kit? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | i think lbt has one but hasn't touched it yet | 13:36 |
| lbt | mmm | 13:36 |
| lbt | I did .. it booted android :) | 13:36 |
| lbt | hey dannybe | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | i was actually looking after you, dannybe :) | 13:37 |
| lbt | :P | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | dannybe: i didn't manage to catch your html5/plasma talks, but i was wondering if there exists a qt html5+wac runtime of sorts at the moment | 13:37 |
| * lbt goes back to documenting stuff | 13:38 | |
| dannybe | no not at moment.. | 13:40 |
| dannybe | the problem is webkit in qt 4.x is not 100% htmlv5 compliant.. | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that doesn't help much either | 13:41 |
| dannybe | qt5.x will solve that.. | 13:41 |
| dannybe | or maybe qt4.8 but I dont think so.. :( | 13:41 |
| dannybe | hey meet me in yokohama on monday I give a continuation talk about plasmaactive and html5.. ;) | 13:42 |
| lbt | dannybe: you in beijing in 3 weeks ? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | the reason i'm asking is because it would be nice to have a html5+wac runtime already in mer, since tizen can't seem to get their code published | 13:42 |
| dannybe | i dont thnik so :( | 13:42 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: that would be nice to have in about 10days | 13:42 |
| dannybe | well, let me think maybe I can come up with something.. | 13:43 |
| lbt | dannybe: OK nm ... there's a Qt dev day that I may go to see | 13:43 |
| lbt | dannybe: even a proof-of-concept | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | dannybe: qt5's webkit being the qtwebkit2.2 one? | 13:43 |
| dannybe | I am working on another html5 heavy project on pa | 13:43 |
| dannybe | yep :) | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, that should work with qt4.8 too | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | (except for our minor hiccup/build failure we have atm on armv7hl) | 13:44 |
| dannybe | yeah it should just never tested.. only 4.7 | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | at least mdfe has qtwebkit 2.2 laying about | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | on top of our qt4.8-rc1 | 13:44 |
| dannybe | I am working on a webRTC project that is a npai plugin for webkit.. | 13:45 |
| dannybe | npapi that is.. | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:45 |
| dannybe | anyway I might have a dragonboard to loan if you need one for testing.. but after the archos omap4 is working :D | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah, we've been discussing the hw adaptation side of things a fair bit | 13:47 |
| dannybe | previously qualcomm hasnt been big on oss do you know are they chaging strategy.. ? | 13:47 |
| dannybe | I mean regards to hw adaption support on their hw.. | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | i only know what was discussed in linuxcon europe at least | 13:48 |
| dannybe | yeah I heard those words too.. | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | i think they might be bigger on oss where people aren't expecting holiness.. ie, that people are okay with blobs | 13:48 |
| dannybe | heard similiar words a few years ago.. | 13:48 |
| dannybe | well let me know if you need one to test.. | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | yep, i have too much on my plate at the moment myself | 13:49 |
| dannybe | yeah me too... | 13:50 |
| dannybe | but at least you know where one is if you need ;) | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | will anyone miss it if i dropped fortran support from our gcc? | 14:17 |
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| berndhs | the automake scripts that look for the fortran compiler ? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | i dearly hope not | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:19 |
| berndhs | i dont know what they do if its not there | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's worth a shot | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | it seems like most of the time for ARM recompilation is spent making libgfortran | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:20 |
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| drussell | optimisation++ | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | phost2 started "build gcc.spec" at Fri Nov 25 00:06:24 UTC 2011. | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | phost2 finished "build gcc.spec" at Thu Nov 24 23:27:43 UTC 2011. | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | i believe i have successfully exceeded the speed of light | 14:28 |
| damnshock | that or you traveled through time | 14:31 |
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| damnshock | Stskeeps: how long does it take to compile Mer? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | damnshock: i586 port finished in 7 hours | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | ~310 source packages | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | remember we're a package based distribution so this is build once, run multiple times | 14:40 |
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| javier | vgrade: hi | 14:45 |
| javier | vgrade: did the installer option at boot time bring the installer-shell for you? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | well | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | removing fortran support changes armv7l gcc compile time from 35-40 min to 17min. | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | i think that's a fairly good motivation | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: wt-f- | 14:51 |
| w00t | :P | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. that was my thought too | 14:52 |
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| w00t | is there anything using it? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | only sane example i've found is python-numpy | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | but considering that gcc is rebuilt 4 times in a bootstrap of Mer, dropping fortran just cut 68 minutes off total bootstrap time | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | And theoretically you can enable it only the 4th time? | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | little dificult to write out as a rule | 15:02 |
| w00t | araujo: so can you explain the question re versioning? | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | I was thinking a small bootstrap project and maybe branch gcc in another. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah, dunno | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | either way, 68 minutes is quite nice :P | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it is :) | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | still, fortran.. at least i left objc support | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:04 |
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| araujo | As follows, we are planning to release new libraries versions parallel installable for Maliit .... for packages formats, these libraries should contain a versioning suffix (libmaliit-plugins08 for example) ..... I remember once they spoke against versioning libs like this for MeeGo, I wonder if we have any policy in Mer/Nemo about it, and if it actually makes sense in the zypper/rpm system, how we handle this? | 15:09 |
| dm8tbr | 15:09 | |
| araujo | Stskeeps, Sage ^^ | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | araujo: why not just use .so versioning? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | libmaliit.so.8 | 15:10 |
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| w00t | i think the reasons for the versioning is to allow side by side installs, but i'm not sure i see if that's something that would be really wanted/needed from something like maliit | 15:11 |
| w00t | at least - that's my guess | 15:11 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, mm.. we already use that, but as w00t said, the reason is to allow parallel installation through the package manager | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | so, typically rpm dependancies aren't in "libmaliit-plugins08" format, but instead, the package is buildrequires for maliit-devel, and then the RPM is depending on libmaliit.so.8 | 15:12 |
| araujo | I am not sure either, at least from the Nemo/Mer perspective | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | so if you promise abi backwards compability, you can do links .so.7 -> so.8 etc | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | which is just .. saner, than multiple side by side installs | 15:13 |
| araujo | I also see an issue here with parallel installations .... that would mean we need new package names in OBS with versions on its name? .... it seems this doesn't scalate well | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | can you tell the reasoning for why parallel installable? | 15:14 |
| w00t | jonnor_work: ^ | 15:15 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, I am not sure what they are cooking up, care to join #maliit? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 15:15 |
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| crevetor | Is there a Mer default kickstart file or something like that somewhere ? | 16:06 |
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| crevetor | w00t: there ? | 16:12 |
| w00t | crevetor: for now | 16:12 |
| crevetor | w00t: is lipstick usable ? | 16:13 |
| w00t | (very) basic basics are there, patches welcome | 16:13 |
| crevetor | Ok I'll try it out on my N900 first and I'll try it on the touchpad if it works | 16:14 |
| crevetor | w00t: does it depend on EGL ? | 16:14 |
| crevetor | w00t: shoud it work with the raster graphicssystem ? | 16:14 |
| w00t | you'll still need gl (both for performance, and because it's not a window manager, it works with mcompositor) | 16:14 |
| crevetor | hum | 16:15 |
| crevetor | ok | 16:15 |
| crevetor | w00t: are there armv7hl packages somewhere ? | 16:16 |
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| crevetor | Am I the only one to get unstable wifi using the latest Nemo image on the N900 ? | 16:38 |
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| damnshock | Stskeeps: 7h? that's quite a while :S | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | damnshock: not really | 16:58 |
| damnshock | well, i recentlyl got an i7 2600 and I guess I just wanted to test how fast it was | 16:58 |
| damnshock | :D | 16:58 |
| damnshock | mer sounded like a good way to test | 16:58 |
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| damnshock | anyway, I wish I could help you anyway. lbt suggested me to write down the process of installation, that might help other users | 16:59 |
| damnshock | however that feels like nothing :S | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | every contribution is valuable | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | even a string of small contributions from a lot of contributors equals something big | 17:03 |
| damnshock | I made a link in the wiki :P | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps | good :) | 17:07 |
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| lbt | mmm the openvpn bit .... 39% cpu... | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | we can prolly disable compression within datacenter? | 17:19 |
| lbt | I think so! | 17:19 |
| lbt | it is disabled (I thought I'd done that) | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:21 |
| lbt | I saw we can buy a 5 port switch for not much | 17:21 |
| lbt | but also stefan got back to me ... so that's happening soon | 17:21 |
| lbt | lets monitor it for now | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:21 |
| lbt | (just wondered why the shell was laggy) | 17:21 |
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| lbt | I'm guessing repo serving | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | doing Core:armv7l bootstrap | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think we should up the ram on be | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | bbl shopping | 17:22 |
| lbt | can we? | 17:22 |
| lbt | ok l8r | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | its 1,5gb atm i think | 17:22 |
| lbt | oh, be :) | 17:22 |
| lbt | sure | 17:22 |
| lbt | finger in the air figure | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | we can just up the be memory when i've bootstrapped Core:armv7l | 17:50 |
| araujo | anybody can shed some lights on this: | 17:58 |
| araujo | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv7el&package=maliit-framework&project=home%3Aaraujo%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core_armv6l | 17:58 |
| araujo | only happening for Mer_Core_armv6l | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | please file a bug against gcc on bugs.merproject.org and stow away the sources somewhere | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | for later usage | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | might be a compiler bug | 18:03 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, I see, ok | 18:03 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, by the way, this worked fine before (for same sources) ... did you guys get some upgrade or something? | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | no, does it happen as a reboot? | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | we upgraded to 4.8 rc1 at least | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | as a rebuild, i mean | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/169 <- controversial, but i'd prefer to move locale generation beyond en_US out into kickstarts instead | 18:14 |
| phaeron | reminds me of something we wanted to do as well | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | it cuts ~34mb or more of the installed footprint | 18:16 |
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| w00t | sounds pretty sensible, actually, so long as it's easy to do different locales in images | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's quite easy | 18:26 |
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| cxl000 | sage The battery module loads and detects the presence of a charger but I have not yet tested charging | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, seems like i might be able to get rid of the nspr->nss rebuild mess | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | that would ease builds quite a lot | 19:49 |
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| lbt | off for the evening ... see you in the morning | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | cya, have a good tango evening | 20:24 |
| lbt | will do :D | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | compare validated built as identical ! | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | ... saving built packages | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | /home/abuild/rpmbuild/RPMS/armv7l/nss-3.12.10-4.2.Mer.armv7l.rpm | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | \o/ | 20:47 |
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| Texrat | anyone home? | 22:54 |
| dm8tbr | no ;) | 22:54 |
| Texrat | ah good | 22:54 |
| damnshock | not really | 22:54 |
| Texrat | well dm8tbr counts as no one | 22:54 |
| Texrat | maybe even -1 :P | 22:54 |
| dm8tbr | /nick nullius | 22:55 |
| Texrat | on a serious note... looking for how-to on getting enmo onto N900 | 22:55 |
| Texrat | lol... nullius | 22:55 |
| Texrat | er, nemo | 22:55 |
| damnshock | I just did that this morning | 22:56 |
| Texrat | got link? | 22:56 |
| damnshock | installing it on my N900 | 22:56 |
| damnshock | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 22:56 |
| damnshock | if you wanna install to the sdcar | 22:56 |
| damnshock | *sdcard | 22:56 |
| Texrat | rather go straight to built-in memory, but ok | 22:57 |
| damnshock | I'm not sure writing to the emmc is working right now | 22:57 |
| Texrat | ah. thanks for link | 22:57 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: well 'nemo' works as well in that context ;) | 22:57 |
| Texrat | nemo, omen, what have you :D | 22:58 |
| dm8tbr | eMMC installs are generally not recommended | 22:58 |
| Texrat | few | 22:58 |
| Texrat | feh I mean | 22:58 |
| dm8tbr | class6+ cards are cheap | 22:58 |
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| Venemo_N950 | has anyone ported Gnome 3 to Mer yet? | 23:44 |
| Texrat | hey Venemo_N950 | 23:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey Texrat :) | 23:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | what's up with you? | 23:47 |
| Texrat | I'm working on getting nemo onto one of my N900s | 23:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | yeah, I should also try that myself | 23:48 |
| damnshock | Texrat: were you successful? | 23:48 |
| Texrat | still in process... have to get some crap off my laptop, runing out of room | 23:48 |
| Texrat | running* | 23:48 |
| Texrat | I see my oldest son installed a bunch of stuff... | 23:49 |
| Texrat | probably without knowing. Like Ask toolbar, etc | 23:49 |
| Venemo_N950 | Texrat, my offer still stands, so if you get into trouble with Qt dev, feel free to ping me :) | 23:49 |
| Texrat | thanks. I just can't figure out why this code sample won't work: | 23:50 |
| Texrat | http://wiki.meego.com/QML/Get_GPS_data | 23:50 |
| Texrat | the author tried to explain what else I need to do but i don't quite get it | 23:50 |
| Texrat | I would hope the code example would stand alone... | 23:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | what did the author say? | 23:51 |
| Texrat | "The pagestack used in the example requires n+1 qml files where n is the amount of screens in the program. Using pagestack is really easy way adding different screens with transitions. You can look the source of qgolftracker how main.qml has only pagestack and toolbars, any other content is loaded from other qml files. You can find it from gitorious." | 23:52 |
| Texrat | using the code as posted, I get a blank screen. None of the text boxes show. | 23:52 |
| Venemo_N950 | hmmm | 23:53 |
| Texrat | I can't figure out why not | 23:53 |
| Texrat | just can't seem to wrap my head around QML mobile equivalent of desktop... | 23:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | this is non-trivial, lemme fire up the ideapad paste it into Qt Creator | 23:54 |
| Texrat | feel stupid, because I can just crank shit out in Visual Studio, totally self-taught | 23:54 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehe, I know how you feel | 23:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | in fact, I crank shit in Visual studio for a living | 23:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok, that's a bit of an overstatement | 23:55 |
| Texrat | ;) | 23:58 |
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