Friday, 2011-11-25

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wmaronehmm00:08
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wmaronevgrade: how do you go about generating your filesystems for the trimslice?00:14
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vgrade1eg, http://images.formeego.org/trimslice/mer-armv7hl-plasma-trimslice.ks00:20
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wmaroneok, I give. can't make heads or tails of this. will try again later.00:56
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vgradewmarone, the kickstart?01:08
wmaronemost things, OBS included01:08
wmaronebut I'm burnt out after battling x-loader and u-boot01:08
wmaronefor the better part of a week trying to get this thing to boot the B&N kernel01:08
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vgradewmarone, like most things flexibilty comes with a huge learning curve.  ping me if you want to walk through OBS, kickstarts etc01:25
wmaronewell aware of that01:26
wmaroneI will probably do so, but later01:26
vgradenp, time for sleep for me01:27
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Stskeepszzz06:34
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* dm8tbr throws an espresso to poland06:34
marquiz_morning06:42
Stskeepsmorn06:44
Ronksumorning06:44
marquiz_how's Ronksu nowadays?06:46
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Ronksumarquiz_: good or confused depending on the day :)06:48
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vgrademorning07:00
Stskeepsmorn vgrade07:00
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StskeepsSage: %post scripts.. do they get run with /bin/sh or /bin/bash?07:04
SageI would say /bin/sh but not sure07:05
Stskeepsok07:05
Sage/bin/bash just wouldn't make sense to me07:05
Sageyou can have ash installed for example07:05
Stskeepsi'm pondering if it would make sense to run with dash as /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash07:05
Stskeepsi know we had a significant win of that on n8x007:05
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Stskeeps(dash is BSD license, btw)07:05
joroiI just checked rpm code yesterday for another reasons and noticed that it uses /bin/sh07:06
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Stskeepsok07:06
* Sage is sad as his N810 sees to be dead07:06
Sage*seems07:06
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StskeepsSage: what symptoms?07:06
SageIt gets power but after the nokia logo just nothing happens07:07
Stskeepsok07:07
Stskeepsget it on a jig, enable serial console/rd mode?07:07
Sageneed to try to reflash to factory because can't recall what I have on it :)07:07
Stskeepsif it shows nokia logo that's pretty good07:07
Stskeeps:P07:07
StskeepsSage: my worry is a bit we have a lot of bashisms in rpm postscripts07:08
Stskeepslike if [ foo == bar ]07:08
Sagealso with charger is started to loop the nokia logo which didn't seem good07:08
Sagewell, the thing is that we shouldn't have any in there ;)07:08
Stskeepshmm07:08
SageI mean scripts in %post is generally bad thing07:09
Stskeepstrue07:09
* Stskeeps adds to architectual backlog07:09
Sagecan someone point out where is the latest diablo release? btw07:10
Stskeepsosc api -X POST "/source/PROJECT/PACKAGE?cmd=set_flag&flag=build&status=disable"07:10
Stskeepserrr..07:10
Stskeepshttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php07:10
Sage3816816641 bytes (3.8 GB) copied, 292.649 s, 13.0 MB/s07:11
Sage^ one just has to love class 10 cards07:11
* marquiz_ downloading the latest nemo daily image07:12
* Sage is quite happy with this release, we finally are close to CE in functionality and have a lot of new things as well.07:16
* Sage moves to #nemomobile07:16
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Sagemarquiz_: you gave the n950 ofono patch a look right?07:21
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marquiz_Sage: yeah, a looong time ago ;)07:23
Stskeepsthis is one of those mornings where i really don't want to be pondering where i left my n900 magnet..07:24
marquiz_;)07:25
marquiz_you should by a bigger magnet07:25
Sageah, n900 uses n950 driver atm.07:25
Sagethat might be a problem07:25
marquiz_and tape it on your device or smth :D07:25
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* Sage taped his bigger magnet to jig :)07:26
marquiz_Sage: the only difference in ofono should be the modem driver07:26
marquiz_that handles the hw: pwron, resets etc.07:26
Sagemarquiz_: http://pastie.org/2918007 <-07:26
marquiz_Sage: at a quick look, that looks ok07:27
Sagereally?07:27
Sageso n900 is using n950 driver is ok?07:28
marquiz_ah, no, sorry07:28
marquiz_that doesn't look good ;)07:29
Sage[ /n9500 ]07:29
Sage^ from n90007:29
Stskeepswe probably need to fix that :P07:29
marquiz_don't have a n900 with nemo at hand, so can't check07:29
SageI ponder if our gprs etc problems are because of that and also the kernel crash that happens07:29
marquiz_take a look at udev database :)07:30
marquiz_on n900 that is07:30
Sagemarquiz_: can you give cmd?07:30
marquiz_udevadm info --export-db or smth07:30
Sagehttp://pastie.org/291803607:32
Sageah, got the n950 patch applied on top of ofono master07:33
Sageonly three parts are not applied07:33
Sagehttp://pastie.org/291804107:35
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Sagea) what is that cbs?07:35
Stskeepscell broadcast services07:35
marquiz_hmm, seems to be quite hard separate n900 and n950 in the udev rules...07:35
Sageb) the middle part is easy just needs rebase07:35
Sagec) udev rule needs fix07:35
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marquiz_i remember cbs wasn't supported by the isimodem driver (for n950)07:37
marquiz_that is ofono didn't work if cbs was enabled (that might have changed, though)07:37
marquiz_Sage: was that udevdb snippet from n900 or n950?07:39
Sagen90007:39
Sageis there any difference? :)07:39
marquiz_don't know, yet, because i don't have the n950 counterpart ;)07:40
* marquiz_ is "flashing" n950...07:41
marquiz_the dual-boot _seems_ to work ok07:41
Sagewhat is the latest one click flasher for n950?07:44
marquiz_39-4, i guess?07:45
SageI could find http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/07:45
marquiz_ah 39-5 it was...07:45
Sagemarquiz_: and your dualboot instructions were at?07:46
marquiz_Sage: http://wiki.meego.com/User:marquiz/N95007:46
marquiz_for very adventurous users, only ;)07:46
dcthangStskeeps: camera on N900/n9 works with gst-plugins-good package07:47
* Sage ponders if he is counted as "very adventurous" user07:48
Sage:)07:48
marquiz_can't say for sure :D07:48
marquiz_but i'd prolly categorize you that way ;)07:49
Stskeepsdcthang: good07:49
dcthangso bacically it lacks that package for Mer 1.307:50
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Stskeepsyeah, it should be in the UI/hardware adaptation - there's no Mer 1.3, what image are you using by the way?07:51
Sagedcthang: that is included in latest release07:55
Sagedcthang: it was a missing dependency from meego-handset-camera app07:55
dcthangah ok07:56
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dcthangI used your image, Stskeeps07:56
Stskeepsok, true07:56
marquiz_Sage: if you try the dual-boot, you need to create the good old bzImage and cmdline links (doesn't seem to be in the image, anymore)07:59
SageStskeeps: where did OCF extract the content?07:59
StskeepsSage: /tmp somewhere07:59
SageI tried to avoid that answer :)08:00
Stskeepslife's not fair08:00
Stskeeps:P08:00
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SageI can't find them from /tmp08:01
Stskeepsls -al08:01
StskeepsSage: did you manage to strip telepathy even further btw?08:01
Stskeepsthan mdfe's list08:01
SageStskeeps: 7 packages + peregrine :)08:02
Stskeeps:nod:08:02
Stskeepsi kinda like the rule "if it contains gtk in it's name, you're doing something wrong'08:02
* Sage though he responded to the ml08:02
Stskeeps:P08:02
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Sagehehe08:02
Stskeepsbtw, experiences with updating packages for n900/n950 for new systemd, what was the issues?08:03
Sage1st assumption when getting packages to Mer. Assume that all the build deps are wrong :)08:03
Sage;)08:03
SageStskeeps: when blues started working it conflicts with gsm and wifi or something08:03
Sagebluez08:03
Stskeepsah08:03
Sageok, how can I get this old moslo out of my device? :D08:04
Sagecan't flash new stuff in it with it08:04
Stskeepsthere was a guide how to remove t08:05
Stskeepsit08:05
Stskeepson arm/n95008:05
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SageIn order to boot Harmattan again, MeeGo and Moslo must be removed. This can be done by using OneClickFlasher available here: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html08:07
* Sage searches the old guide08:07
Sageah, there it is08:08
Sagelol, it doesn't export the rootfs :P08:09
Sagewhy do I feel like monday... oh wait it is friday already08:09
Sageah, no I can remember. N950 works only on one of my laptops USB ports08:10
SageFlashing unsuccessful08:13
Sage:(08:13
SageFirst N810 doesn't respond and now even N950 is giving me hard time08:13
mdaveyvgrade: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=1003.0#postid-1739408:15
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StskeepsSage: i am already considering if i should just go back to bed a bit, yeh :P08:17
Stskeepsyeah, i mean :P08:17
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron08:17
phaeronStskeeps: morning08:17
SageError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy08:20
Sageoh, come on already.08:20
Sagemaybe the battery is too low.08:20
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miherodoesn't that error come when you have insufficent access rights to usb, in ubuntu needs root for example?08:22
Stskeepsor old flasher08:23
Stskeepsor phonet driver is loaded08:23
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veskuhlbt: Quite nice splash screen!08:23
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Stskeepsphaeron: i have a fun challenge.. i want to be able to disable individual packages for building in a linkedbuild project08:26
Stskeepswell, disable or enable, enable is more like it08:27
phaeronwe want to be able to disable a package as well. to simulate delete requests08:27
Stskeeps:nod:08:27
Stskeepsor better yet..08:28
Stskeepsdisable packages from meta prj08:28
phaeronyou mean the prj meta can say a package should be disabled ?08:29
Stskeepsyeah08:29
Stskeepsjust like it can say an entire arch can be disabled for a repo08:29
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Stskeepsthe reason i'm asking is because in mer, we have ARM ports and x86 port sort of seperate, but we still need to build some x86 packages for injecting into the arm scheduler, so we disable all x86 builds, and only enable a few08:30
Stskeepsand that's a mess with linked projects08:30
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phaeronand you're using a linked project for this because .. ?08:35
Stskeepsbecause of fakeobs, i ideally would like to go away from having to linkpac every single package08:36
Stskeepsand instead just do to a linked project against fakeobs's Core:armv7l project for actually building it08:36
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Stskeepsthe idea is that the mer build is replicate-able anywhere in simple steps08:37
phaeronso eventually you want linked project to be able to produce full repos (not just the rebuilt stuff)?08:37
Stskeepsright08:37
phaeronbut then you want rebuild = all08:37
Stskeepslinkedbuild, but yeah08:38
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Stskeepsie, i have fakeobs's Core:i586 project, which is sources + binaries of the last built version. on any given OBS, i'd like to be able to simply do a linkedbuild=all linked project to re-build the core08:38
Stskeeps(and same for armv7l where most of x86 arch builds will be disabled)08:39
phaeronok sounds like the first sentence should work now08:40
Stskeepsfor i586 it works but breaks apart in arm scenario, with some packages happening to be enabled for x8608:40
Stskeepsas i can't individually enable packages and it ignores _meta from the linked project08:41
Stskeeps(which states "disabled for i586"08:41
Stskeeps_meta being pkg meta08:41
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phaeronok look like a bug08:42
Stskeepsyeah08:42
phaeronI'll try to look at that08:42
Stskeepswould be cool - it probably is same issue as with your wanting to disable some builds to simulate disabled08:42
Stskeepsi'd be happy with a meta prj approach to state which to enable08:42
Stskeeps / disable08:42
phaeronI am more motivated to contribute to OBS now that my two pull requests were accepted :)08:45
Stskeeps:nod:08:45
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damnshockmorning everyone08:53
Stskeepsmorn damnshock08:53
damnshockI'm trying to install mer, actually nemo, on my N900's sd card08:53
damnshockbut when I'm loading hte kernel I get a kernel panic :S08:54
damnshockI've followed this instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC08:54
Stskeepsput the back cover on08:54
damnshockmmmm wow08:54
damnshockI guess that's a known problem then08:55
damnshockisn't it?08:55
Stskeepsnot a problem, just error 4008:55
Stskeepsthere's a magnet in the cover that kernel uses to signal the SD is getting removed08:55
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Stskeepsas to prevent destruction of data08:55
damnshocklet's see what happens08:55
damnshockFW error, Sending firmware08:56
Stskeepsthat's better08:56
damnshockalthough it seems to be loading :D08:56
damnshockthat's for the tip Stskeeps08:56
Stskeepswiki page says: "When booting from a memory card make sure that the device's back cover is on. Otherwise the card will not mount and you'll see a kernel panic"08:57
Stskeeps:P08:57
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damnshockmy apologies08:59
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damnshock:S08:59
Stskeepshehe, no problem08:59
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damnshockseems a bit slow, might be my class 4 sd card though09:01
Stskeeps#nemomobile for that part :)09:01
Stskeepswe had a speed regression for sure09:01
damnshockstill, it's much faster than meego 1.1 or 1.209:02
damnshockStskeeps: is it a known problem?09:02
damnshockI mean, have you localized where the problem is?09:02
Stskeepsdamnshock: we suspect it's within the vicinity of tracker09:02
damnshockhahahahhaha Qt Flying bus09:02
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Stskeepsmorn arc_mat, notmart09:03
Stskeepsarc_mat: any news on gles?09:03
arc_matStskeeps: I had to slow down a bit, dayjob is taking over09:04
Stskeepsarc_mat: alright09:04
arc_matStskeeps: wondering if I should not try to port a more recent kernel to our devices09:04
Stskeepswhat's the current 'production' kernel?09:05
arc_matStskeeps: and I desperately need an Xorg/pvr expert09:05
arc_matStskeeps: 2.6.35.709:05
Stskeepsarc_mat: that should be OK09:05
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Stskeepsarc_mat: let's try to base on that i guess09:06
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notmartStskeeps: 'morning ;)09:09
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damnshockcrap! I'm late for work! I hate you guys, stop developing great things!!!09:09
Stskeepscya09:09
* damnshock goes to work, be back in a few minutes09:09
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ScriptRipperStskeeps, I have found interesting things09:23
Stskeepsmm?09:23
ScriptRipperseems now I can build Mer09:23
Stskeepsgood :)09:23
ScriptRipperit was the OBS interconnect09:23
ScriptRippersent e-mail to you about it09:24
ScriptRipperStskeeps, but I have another issue09:24
ScriptRippercurrently, lint complains about python not installed09:24
ScriptRipperwith09:24
Stskeepsyeah, that happens to me too09:25
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ScriptRipper"/usb/bin/python" not found09:25
ScriptRipperbut dont install it09:25
ScriptRipperbecause then it breaks all arm builds09:25
ScriptRipperafter a while09:25
Stskeepsthe reason i wanted you to install fakeobs, by the way, is because then i can see exact same issues as you do09:26
ScriptRipperbecause both cross-accel and libstdc++-x86 haven them some pyhton files *double*09:26
Stskeepsas we have a similar setup09:26
ScriptRipperbut it was not setup09:26
ScriptRipperit was just a copy error due to OBS interconnect09:26
ScriptRipperI hate the OBS interconnect09:27
Stskeepsyeah, i know, but still09:27
Stskeepsi can't do much about any bug reports if we don't have same setup :)09:27
ScriptRipperI cant test with all the remote OBS timeouts09:27
Stskeepsfakeobs is localhost09:27
ScriptRipperwhich also happen with fakeobs09:27
Stskeepsand doesn't reach out into the net09:28
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ScriptRipperyes, but I talk about a copy of the source I need09:28
ScriptRipperwhich uses currently a remote OBS09:28
ScriptRipperand makes trouble as always09:28
ScriptRipperso I just did a plain copy to my OBS to work around09:29
Stskeeps:nod:09:29
ScriptRipperand then I need no OBS interconnect after the bootstrsap09:29
ScriptRipperso to say I found a bug in osc09:29
ScriptRipper"errorness checkout of source without error when project is using OBS interconnect"09:30
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ScriptRipperno setup problem09:30
ScriptRippernothing09:30
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Stskeepsokay, so, what you really want is to be able to do Mer in the same way as the rest of us, in order to verify qemu, right09:30
ScriptRipperthe python thing is just a remark09:31
Stskeepsand do your own builds of mer fully09:31
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ScriptRipperthat if we want to pkg install python we need to fix 2 pkgs09:31
ScriptRipperor arm builds get borked09:31
ScriptRipperi want to check my new QEMU09:31
ScriptRipperI dont want to fork Mer09:32
Stskeepsright, and this way you don't have to :)09:32
ScriptRipperI have to, because I always want to have a local copy if I check my OBS or QEMU code09:32
ScriptRipperthe reason is that you really cant verify subtle QEMU bugs like09:33
StskeepsOK, so, i have 30 minutes at the moment and i'd like to teach you how to install fakeobs, so you get an exact same build setup as we do in Mer builders themselves09:33
ScriptRipperones that have to do with file permissions or wrong build up of the rootfs09:33
ScriptRipperso I cant use binaries from a remote OBS for this09:34
ScriptRipperreally09:34
Stskeepsfakeobs is a local copy09:34
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Stskeepsso, trust me, this is what you want to have in order to test your qemu things09:34
* damnshock is back09:35
ScriptRipperdoes fake OBS use OBS interconnect to get the local copy ?09:35
damnshockthis conversations seems interesting :)09:35
Stskeepsno09:35
Stskeepsyou'll see as we go through the guide what exactly it does :)09:36
ScriptRipperbut it gets copy from your OBS ?09:36
Stskeepsnop09:36
Stskeepsdoesn't even touch my OBS's api :)09:36
ScriptRipperthen explain it , I am fully awake :D09:36
ScriptRipperuses git ?09:36
ScriptRipperand emulates OBS ?09:37
Stskeepsso, in simple terms: fakeobs is a program that provides OBS /public API09:37
Stskeepsfakeobs works on top of git repositories hosted in the filesystem, copies of RPMs, and some metadata, all rsynced down from releases.merproject.org09:38
Stskeepsit does not reach out to the internet in any way when it runs09:38
Bostikiow. everything is local09:39
Stskeepsand exports those OBS projects over the /public API, both RPM and sources09:39
Stskeepswhen you set it up first time, you rsync down the current state of git repositories, http://releases.merproject.org/packages-git/mer-core/ , metadata (describing OBS projects), and latest build results (RPM), such as http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:armv7hl:latest/Core_armv7hl/i586/09:41
jonnor_workHow much data is pulled in on such a sync? (roughly)09:42
Stskeepsit makes a lot more sense when you actually set it up, so, please do http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS  step 1 --- for smmap, async, gitdb, gitpython, you can install 'python-pip' (need python-devel, gcc, zlib-devel) and pip install smmap async gitdb gitpython09:42
Stskeepsjonnor_work: sec09:42
Stskeepsjonnor_work: packages-git is 1.3gb right now, all five ports (i486, i586, armv6l, armv7l, armv7hl) is 2.8gb09:43
Stskeepsin total09:43
Stskeepspackages-git rate of change is obviously not 1.3gb each time09:44
jonnor_workok, that is reasonable09:44
Stskeepsand you have to remember this is fully mirror-able09:44
Stskeepspotentially the rate of change for ports/binaries can be a lot lower if you're only interested in "latest" always09:45
Stskeepsas the rpms don't change much for much of it09:46
Stskeepsjonnor_work: and best of all.. just because i take down mer continous integration/release OBS for maintainig, your business doesn't stop09:50
Stskeepsie, no live OBS links09:51
jonnor_workI like it. It allows a fully local workflow09:51
jonnor_workIs upstream OBS aware of fakeobs and what it can do?09:52
Stskeepslike OBS the software?09:52
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Stskeepsother advanced features is that you can maintain your own local Core semi-fork too, to test/do fixes before upstreaming, as well as use the core in a Continous Integration setup09:53
Stskeepsas the core is in git09:53
Stskeepsso you can follow it change by change09:53
Sagecxl000: btw, is charging working on n810?09:54
jonnor_workStskeeps, no, OBS the project/team09:56
Stskeepsah, not sure09:56
Stskeepsit's just something you can <remoteurl> to09:56
Stskeepsthe proper name is more like "mer delivery system" or something :P09:56
jonnor_workIt sounds like it could be useful outside Mer as well09:57
Stskeepsprobably, yeah09:57
Stskeepsit does require some special scripts to generate it though09:57
jonnor_workStskeeps, how does the packages get into git?09:57
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Stskeepsjonnor_work: sec, let me give you the tour..09:57
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Stskeepshttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=packages.xml;h=3a55e9c874e29ca71c3d6360522dfa88aa841bf2;hb=HEAD is the core metadata09:58
Stskeepshttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/pcre.git;a=tree is a typical package09:58
Stskeepshttp://review.merproject.org is how changes come in09:58
Stskeepsthrough gerrit09:59
Stskeepsand then we do CI based on those changes/actual build tests, etc09:59
Stskeepshttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/boss-workflow.git;a=blob;f=gerrit-hooks/patchset-created;h=dd30df050fc65cb10cfa2ea0d85895656e84bedc;hb=HEAD specifically10:00
ScriptRipperI am thinking if parts of it could be used by default with OBS10:06
Stskeepsyeah.. my philosophy right now is to use OBS as a builder and that's it10:07
Stskeepsbut if others want to do otherwise, that's fine10:07
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SageStskeeps: my problems probably show that I haven't touched my n950 much lately ;)10:22
Stskeepscan always try cold flash10:23
Sagehow can I extract that ocf? Can't find the files under /tmp10:23
Stskeepsctrl-z it before it flashes?10:24
Sageit is easing the mmc atm. should be shown already?10:24
Stskeepsthink so10:25
Sagehmmp, nothing10:25
Sagethey changed the behaviour in the latest image?10:26
Stskeepsmaybe10:26
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StskeepsBostik: have you by chance looked into what happens if we have two qt's in mer?10:40
Stskeepsqt4 and qt510:40
BostikStskeeps: currently won't work, since both drop .so files in /usr/lib and the names conflict10:41
Stskeepsok10:41
Stskeepsah, true..10:42
damnshockno qt4.8 yet and you are already thinking on 5? :P10:42
Bostikincludes, imports, and everything else is prefixed into qt4/qt510:42
Stskeepsdamnshock: we have qt5 packaging so10:42
Bostikdamnshock: 4.8 is the last qt before 5 becomes the real target10:42
Bostik...and for the moment, it's still quite badly broken10:42
Bostikmostly because the developers are jhaving a field day; they were allowed to invoke flag day, so they decidec to decorate a forest of christmas trees with strings of flags :)10:43
lbt:D10:46
Stskeepsmorn lbt10:46
lbtmorning (ish)10:46
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damnshockBostik: yeah, well, qt5 was targeted for next year, wasn't it? ;)11:05
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damnshockmorning lbt11:05
Bostiktargeted, yes; originally a beta was planned sometime this year but I wouldn't hold my breath11:05
lbtmorning damnshock11:06
Bostikconsidering that I keep the packaging up to date I have been considering whether to apply for the raspberry pi program...11:07
damnshocklbt: I successfully installed nemo this morning :)11:10
vgradearc_mat,  wl1271: ERROR nvs size is not as expected: 912 != 800, from last nights hacking when I brought up wlan0.  The driver needs an onler fw file.11:14
arc_matvgrade: where did the firmware file come from?11:14
vgradeI was using the ones packaged for Panda so much newer. Current driver needs http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/5641111:15
arc_matvgrade: nvs is something else than firmware, it's basically mac address, calibration and configuration data11:15
arc_matah yes11:15
vgradearc_mat, yea but stored in the fw dir11:16
arc_matvgrade: sorry, buried in ice cream sandwiches.11:16
arc_matlater11:16
lbtdamnshock: good news11:17
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dm8tbrSage: btw, while you're at telepathy, it would probably make sense to look at telepathy-haze13:32
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dannybeanyone try getting mer on quallcomm snapdragon chip? like the dragonboard develpment kit?13:34
Stskeepsi think lbt has one but hasn't touched it yet13:36
lbtmmm13:36
lbtI did .. it booted android :)13:36
lbthey dannybe13:37
Stskeepsi was actually looking after you, dannybe :)13:37
lbt:P13:37
Stskeepsdannybe: i didn't manage to catch your html5/plasma talks, but i was wondering if there exists a qt html5+wac runtime of sorts at the moment13:37
* lbt goes back to documenting stuff13:38
dannybeno not at moment..13:40
dannybethe problem is webkit in qt 4.x is not 100% htmlv5 compliant..13:40
Stskeepsah, that doesn't help much either13:41
dannybeqt5.x will solve that..13:41
dannybeor maybe qt4.8 but I dont think so.. :(13:41
dannybehey meet me in yokohama on monday I give a continuation talk about plasmaactive and html5.. ;)13:42
lbtdannybe: you in beijing in 3 weeks ?13:42
Stskeepsthe reason i'm asking is because it would be nice to have a html5+wac runtime already in mer, since tizen can't seem to get their code published13:42
dannybei dont thnik so :(13:42
lbtStskeeps: that would be nice to have in about 10days13:42
dannybewell, let me think maybe I can come up with something..13:43
lbtdannybe: OK nm ... there's a Qt dev day that I may go to see13:43
lbtdannybe: even a proof-of-concept13:43
Stskeepsdannybe: qt5's webkit being the qtwebkit2.2 one?13:43
dannybeI am working on another html5 heavy project on pa13:43
dannybeyep :)13:43
Stskeepshmm, that should work with qt4.8 too13:44
Stskeeps(except for our minor hiccup/build failure we have atm on armv7hl)13:44
dannybeyeah it should just never tested.. only 4.713:44
Stskeepsat least mdfe has qtwebkit 2.2 laying about13:44
Stskeepson top of our qt4.8-rc113:44
dannybeI am working on a webRTC project that is a npai plugin for webkit..13:45
dannybenpapi that is..13:45
Stskeeps:nod:13:45
dannybeanyway I might have a dragonboard to loan if you need one for testing.. but after the archos omap4 is working :D13:46
Stskeepshehe, yeah, we've been discussing the hw adaptation side of things a fair bit13:47
dannybepreviously qualcomm hasnt been big on oss do you know are they chaging strategy.. ?13:47
dannybeI mean regards to hw adaption support on their hw..13:48
Stskeepsi only know what was discussed in linuxcon europe at least13:48
dannybeyeah I heard those words too..13:48
Stskeepsi think they might be bigger on oss where people aren't expecting holiness.. ie, that people are okay with blobs13:48
dannybeheard similiar words a few years ago..13:48
dannybewell let me know if you need one to test..13:49
Stskeepsyep, i have too much on my plate at the moment myself13:49
dannybeyeah me too...13:50
dannybebut at least you know where one is if you need ;)13:51
Stskeepsyep13:51
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Stskeepswill anyone miss it if i dropped fortran support from our gcc?14:17
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berndhsthe automake scripts that look for the fortran compiler ?14:18
Stskeepsi dearly hope not14:19
Stskeeps:P14:19
berndhsi dont know what they do if its not there14:19
Stskeepswell, it's worth a shot14:19
Stskeepsit seems like most of the time for ARM recompilation is spent making libgfortran14:20
Stskeeps:P14:20
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drusselloptimisation++14:27
Stskeepsphost2 started "build gcc.spec" at Fri Nov 25 00:06:24 UTC 2011.14:27
Stskeepsuhh..14:27
Stskeepsphost2 finished "build gcc.spec" at Thu Nov 24 23:27:43 UTC 2011.14:27
Stskeepsi believe i have successfully exceeded the speed of light14:28
damnshockthat or you traveled through time14:31
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damnshockStskeeps: how long does it take to compile Mer?14:38
Stskeepsdamnshock: i586 port finished in 7 hours14:39
Stskeeps~310 source packages14:39
Stskeepsremember we're a package based distribution so this is build once, run multiple times14:40
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javiervgrade: hi14:45
javiervgrade: did the installer option at boot time bring the installer-shell for you?14:45
Stskeepswell14:48
Stskeepsremoving fortran support changes armv7l gcc compile time from 35-40 min to 17min.14:49
Stskeepsi think that's a fairly good motivation14:49
Stskeeps:P14:49
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w00tStskeeps: wt-f-14:51
w00t:P14:51
Stskeepsyeah.. that was my thought too14:52
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w00tis there anything using it?14:57
Stskeepsonly sane example i've found is python-numpy14:57
Stskeepsbut considering that gcc is rebuilt 4 times in a bootstrap of Mer, dropping fortran just cut 68 minutes off total bootstrap time15:00
X-FadeAnd theoretically you can enable it only the 4th time?15:01
Stskeepslittle dificult to write out as a rule15:02
w00taraujo: so can you explain the question re versioning?15:02
X-FadeI was thinking a small bootstrap project and maybe branch gcc in another.15:03
Stskeepsah, dunno15:03
Stskeepseither way, 68 minutes is quite nice :P15:03
X-FadeYeah, it is :)15:04
Stskeepsstill, fortran.. at least i left objc support15:04
Stskeeps:P15:04
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araujoAs follows, we are planning to release new libraries versions parallel installable for Maliit .... for packages formats, these libraries should contain a versioning suffix (libmaliit-plugins08 for example) ..... I remember once they spoke against versioning libs like this for MeeGo, I wonder if we have any policy in Mer/Nemo about it, and if it actually makes sense in the zypper/rpm system, how we handle this?15:09
dm8tbr15:09
araujoStskeeps, Sage ^^15:09
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Stskeepsaraujo: why not just use .so versioning?15:10
Stskeepslibmaliit.so.815:10
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w00ti think the reasons for the versioning is to allow side by side installs, but i'm not sure i see if that's something that would be really wanted/needed from something like maliit15:11
w00tat least - that's my guess15:11
araujoStskeeps, mm.. we already use that, but as w00t said, the reason is to allow parallel installation through the package manager15:11
Stskeepsso, typically rpm dependancies aren't in "libmaliit-plugins08" format, but instead, the package is buildrequires for maliit-devel, and then the RPM is depending on libmaliit.so.815:12
araujoI am not sure either, at least from the Nemo/Mer perspective15:12
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Stskeepsso if you promise abi backwards compability, you can do links .so.7 -> so.8 etc15:12
Stskeepswhich is just .. saner, than multiple side by side installs15:13
araujoI also see an issue here with parallel installations .... that would mean we need new package names in OBS with versions on its name? .... it seems this doesn't scalate well15:14
Stskeepscan you tell the reasoning for why parallel installable?15:14
w00tjonnor_work: ^15:15
araujoStskeeps, I am not sure what they are cooking up, care to join #maliit?15:15
Stskeepssure15:15
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crevetorIs there a Mer default kickstart  file or something like that somewhere ?16:06
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crevetorw00t: there ?16:12
w00tcrevetor: for now16:12
crevetorw00t: is lipstick usable ?16:13
w00t(very) basic basics are there, patches welcome16:13
crevetorOk I'll try it out on my N900 first and I'll try it on the touchpad if it works16:14
crevetorw00t: does it depend on EGL ?16:14
crevetorw00t: shoud it work with the raster graphicssystem ?16:14
w00tyou'll still need gl (both for performance, and because it's not a window manager, it works with mcompositor)16:14
crevetorhum16:15
crevetorok16:15
crevetorw00t: are there armv7hl packages somewhere ?16:16
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crevetorAm I the only one to get unstable wifi using the latest Nemo image on the N900 ?16:38
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damnshockStskeeps: 7h? that's quite a while :S16:57
Stskeepsdamnshock: not really16:58
damnshockwell, i recentlyl got an i7 2600 and I guess I just wanted to test how fast it was16:58
damnshock:D16:58
damnshockmer sounded like a good way to test16:58
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damnshockanyway, I wish I could help you anyway. lbt suggested me to write down the process of installation, that might help other users16:59
damnshockhowever that feels like nothing :S17:00
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Stskeepsevery contribution is valuable17:03
Stskeepseven a string of small contributions from a lot of contributors equals something big17:03
damnshockI made a link in the wiki :P17:05
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Stskeepsgood :)17:07
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lbtmmm the openvpn bit .... 39% cpu...17:18
Stskeepswe can prolly disable compression within datacenter?17:19
lbtI think so!17:19
lbtit is disabled (I thought I'd done that)17:20
Stskeepsok17:21
lbtI saw we can buy a 5 port switch for not much17:21
lbtbut also stefan got back to me ... so that's happening soon17:21
lbtlets monitor it for now17:21
Stskeeps:nod:17:21
lbt(just wondered why the shell was laggy)17:21
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lbtI'm guessing repo serving17:22
Stskeepsdoing Core:armv7l bootstrap17:22
Stskeepsi think we should up the ram on be17:22
Stskeepsbbl shopping17:22
lbtcan we?17:22
lbtok l8r17:22
Stskeepsits 1,5gb atm i think17:22
lbtoh, be :)17:22
lbtsure17:22
lbtfinger in the air figure17:23
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Stskeepswe can just up the be memory when i've bootstrapped Core:armv7l17:50
araujoanybody can shed some lights on this:17:58
araujohttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv7el&package=maliit-framework&project=home%3Aaraujo%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core_armv6l17:58
araujoonly happening for Mer_Core_armv6l17:58
Stskeepsplease file a bug against gcc on bugs.merproject.org and stow away the sources somewhere18:00
Stskeepsfor later usage18:00
Stskeepsmight be a compiler bug18:03
araujoStskeeps, I see, ok18:03
araujoStskeeps, by the way, this worked fine before (for same sources) ... did you guys get some upgrade or something?18:04
Stskeepsno, does it happen as a reboot?18:06
Stskeepswe upgraded to 4.8 rc1 at least18:06
Stskeepsas a rebuild, i mean18:12
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Stskeepshttp://review.merproject.org/169 <- controversial, but i'd prefer to move locale generation beyond en_US out into kickstarts instead18:14
phaeronreminds me of something we wanted to do as well18:16
Stskeepsit cuts ~34mb or more of the installed footprint18:16
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w00tsounds pretty sensible, actually, so long as it's easy to do different locales in images18:26
Stskeepsyeah, it's quite easy18:26
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cxl000sage The battery module loads and detects the presence of a charger but I have not yet tested charging18:35
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Stskeepshmm, seems like i might be able to get rid of the nspr->nss rebuild mess19:48
Stskeepsthat would ease builds quite a lot19:49
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lbtoff for the evening ... see you in the morning20:24
Stskeepscya, have a good tango evening20:24
lbtwill do :D20:24
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Stskeepscompare validated built as identical !20:47
Stskeeps... saving built packages20:47
Stskeeps /home/abuild/rpmbuild/RPMS/armv7l/nss-3.12.10-4.2.Mer.armv7l.rpm20:47
Stskeeps\o/20:47
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Texratanyone home?22:54
dm8tbrno ;)22:54
Texratah good22:54
damnshocknot really22:54
Texratwell dm8tbr counts as no one22:54
Texratmaybe even -1 :P22:54
dm8tbr/nick nullius22:55
Texraton a serious note... looking for how-to on getting enmo onto N90022:55
Texratlol... nullius22:55
Texrater, nemo22:55
damnshockI just did that this morning22:56
Texratgot link?22:56
damnshockinstalling it on my N90022:56
damnshockhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC22:56
damnshockif you wanna install to the sdcar22:56
damnshock*sdcard22:56
Texratrather go straight to built-in memory, but ok22:57
damnshockI'm not sure writing to the emmc is working right now22:57
Texratah.  thanks for link22:57
dm8tbrTexrat: well 'nemo' works as well in that context ;)22:57
Texratnemo, omen, what have you :D22:58
dm8tbreMMC installs are generally not recommended22:58
Texratfew22:58
Texratfeh I mean22:58
dm8tbrclass6+ cards are cheap22:58
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Venemo_N950has anyone ported Gnome 3 to Mer yet?23:44
Texrathey Venemo_N95023:46
Venemo_N950hey Texrat :)23:46
Venemo_N950what's up with you?23:47
TexratI'm working on getting nemo onto one of my N900s23:47
Venemo_N950yeah, I should also try that myself23:48
damnshockTexrat: were you successful?23:48
Texratstill in process... have to get some crap off my laptop, runing out of room23:48
Texratrunning*23:48
TexratI see my oldest son installed a bunch of stuff...23:49
Texratprobably without knowing.  Like Ask toolbar, etc23:49
Venemo_N950Texrat, my offer still stands, so if you get into trouble with Qt dev, feel free to ping me :)23:49
Texratthanks.  I just can't figure out why this code sample won't work:23:50
Texrathttp://wiki.meego.com/QML/Get_GPS_data23:50
Texratthe author tried to explain what else I need to do but i don't quite get it23:50
TexratI would hope the code example would stand alone...23:51
Venemo_N950what did the author say?23:51
Texrat"The pagestack used in the example requires n+1 qml files where n is the amount of screens in the program. Using pagestack is really easy way adding different screens with transitions. You can look the source of qgolftracker how main.qml has only pagestack and toolbars, any other content is loaded from other qml files. You can find it from gitorious."23:52
Texratusing the code as posted, I get a blank screen.  None of the text boxes show.23:52
Venemo_N950hmmm23:53
TexratI can't figure out why not23:53
Texratjust can't seem to wrap my head around QML mobile equivalent of desktop...23:53
Venemo_N950this is non-trivial, lemme fire up the ideapad paste it into Qt Creator23:54
Texratfeel stupid, because I can just crank shit out in Visual Studio, totally self-taught23:54
Venemo_N950hehe, I know how you feel23:55
Venemo_N950in fact, I crank shit in Visual studio for a living23:55
Venemo_N950ok, that's a bit of an overstatement23:55
Texrat;)23:58
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