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| vgrade | heliocastro, first image going up now | 00:02 |
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| heliocastro | Thanks \o/ | 00:02 |
| vgrade | 17 mins | 00:02 |
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| vgrade | heliocastro, plasma image up | 00:54 |
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| heliocastro | vgrade: Thanks, downloading | 00:56 |
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| vgrade | heliocastro, time for sleep here, let me know how you get on. | 01:21 |
| vgrade | QtDesktop image just started | 01:21 |
| heliocastro | vgrade: Good night and many thanks | 01:22 |
| heliocastro | i'm burning a sd and a usb pen | 01:22 |
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| iekku | morning | 05:43 |
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| Stskeeps | perkele, zzzzzzz | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:53 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, :DDDDD | 05:56 |
| iekku | i need coffee, it took me 2 minutes to understand that it was really you and really THAT word | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | i fell asleep like 2am | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | so a bit trashed | 05:56 |
| iekku | uh oh! | 05:57 |
| iekku | i slept well, first time in this week | 05:57 |
| iekku | coffeee, packing, coffee, packing, some telcos, packing, packing | 05:57 |
| iekku | ^todays agenda | 05:57 |
| iekku | tomorrow: new home <3 | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 05:58 |
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| w00t | arrrgh | 07:03 |
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| w00t | Sage: it's morning, and it hasn't started as a good one | 07:14 |
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| damnshock | hey guys, I've noticed that the SSL certificate is not signed by any CA | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we aren't exactly made of money (yet) | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | so eventually we'll have a proper one :) | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_ | 09:41 |
| lbt | damnshock: it is signed by a CA .... | 09:42 |
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| lbt | just not one that's preloaded into your browser | 09:42 |
| lbt | morning Stskeeps | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:44 |
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| damnshock | Stskeeps: we could get a free one, couldn't we? | 09:46 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: good morning | 09:49 |
| vgrade | morning all | 09:51 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, have wlan0 now | 09:51 |
| mdfe_ | awesome :) | 09:51 |
| vgrade | well I have the interface, need to work on connman, I think the dbus issues elsewhere are affecting | 09:51 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: yessss! | 09:51 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: there is a more uptodate driver on git.omapzoom.org, in the p-android-omap-2.6.35 branch, it should match our kernel | 09:52 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: let me get you the url | 09:53 |
| vgrade | ok thanks, got go day job | 09:53 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: http://git.omapzoom.org/?p=platform/hardware/ti/wlan.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/p-gingerbread | 09:56 |
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| arc_mat | vgrade: seems to be the most advanced that should still compile against 2.6.35 | 09:56 |
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| arc_mat | vgrade: the ics branch is newer, though.. hmmm | 09:57 |
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| javier | there's no mobile-broadband-provider-info for i586? i only see it in vgrade's home project | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | javier: hmm, might be useful to include in core | 10:33 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: ping | 13:21 |
| Sage | mdfe_: that telepathy thing needs a lot of stripping | 13:21 |
| Sage | mdfe_: I don't relly think that we need all of those for telepathy | 13:22 |
| Sage | I would say 80% can go away | 13:24 |
| * Sage checks | 13:24 | |
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| w00t | I was thinkin the same | 13:25 |
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| Sage | give me a moment to cehck | 13:25 |
| w00t | for instance, I doubt that telepathy requires qmf, or mobility.. technically it doesn't require telepathy-qt4 either, peregrine probably does | 13:25 |
| Sage | I'll start what peregrine requies and go down from there | 13:26 |
| w00t | (minor distinction, though :)) | 13:26 |
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| Sage | 1st assumption when getting packages to Mer. Assume that all the build deps are wrong :) | 13:31 |
| w00t | lol | 13:31 |
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| Sage | mdfe_, w00t: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Atelepathy | 14:01 |
| Sage | 15:24.03 < Sage> I would say 80% can go away | 14:01 |
| Sage | can someone do the math ;) | 14:01 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Amdfe%3Aperegrine | 14:01 |
| Sage | 36 vs 8 :) | 14:02 |
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| w00t | ow :P | 14:03 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: cool | 14:04 |
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| Sage | dudes, if you see word gtk in package name you are doing it wrong ;) | 14:04 |
| Sage | not sure though if that works, but at least it compiles ok | 14:05 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: you are awesome :) | 14:05 |
| Sage | those would need more cleanups before accepted to CE:Mw:Shared, but now I can see those there. | 14:05 |
| Sage | packaging of those packages is mostly very poor quality. | 14:05 |
| mdfe_ | yepp | 14:06 |
| Sage | X-Fade: sync ping | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: he's sitting in front of me in airport and his n950 refuses to get net, don't think he can comply | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:08 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: :P | 14:08 |
| Sage | darn | 14:10 |
| Sage | I can't send release note then :/ | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | syncs every hour | 14:11 |
| Sage | ok, well will sent it later then. | 14:11 |
| Sage | I think I missed that sync with a couple of minutes :D | 14:11 |
| w00t | Sage: you could just send it and send another note when it's actually there - low traffic list, so :) | 14:14 |
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| Sage | w00t: true, commenting that it is there in a hour or so. | 14:15 |
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| Sage | there it is. | 14:36 |
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| * Stskeeps lands in warsaw | 16:56 | |
| marquiz | Stskeeps: how was your trip? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | marquiz: bumpy | 17:00 |
| berndhs | if you walk away from it, it was a good landing | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | words you don't want to hear during descent from the captation, 'unfortunately..' | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | captain | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | saying a lot of turbulence was on the way :P | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | er, takeoff | 17:01 |
| marquiz | sounds bad | 17:03 |
| marquiz | but you're safely on solid land now ;) (?) | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:04 |
| leinir | what airline did you fly with? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | finnair | 17:08 |
| leinir | hmm... at least they tend to have reasonably decent planes :) | 17:08 |
| drussell | I don't generally mind turbulance or bad takeoff/landings... it's delays that get me :o) | 17:08 |
| berndhs | i've gotten to the stage where a 60 minute delay feels like on-time | 17:09 |
| drussell | berndhs: hehe I hear that.... unless you've got a connecting flight, in which case all hell breaks loose | 17:09 |
| berndhs | yeah that's why i require sufficient buffering in the connections | 17:10 |
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| heliocastro | lbt: Hi. Mer boot and usage was success, i not advanced more because was late and i hadn't network drivers to copy all extra needs. I'll be kind of out this weekend, but on Monday will tryu to make everything use accel | 17:17 |
| heliocastro | lbt: Thanks for late night image :-) | 17:18 |
| lbt | congrats ! | 17:18 |
| lbt | no problem | 17:18 |
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| damnshock | heliocastro: how was the latest image working? | 17:50 |
| heliocastro | damnshock: Considering is raster, is quite fast | 17:50 |
| heliocastro | But i still think plasma active iface a bit confuse | 17:51 |
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| berndhs | plasma active feels heavy | 17:52 |
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| heliocastro | berndhs: Not much than unity on standard ubuntu on trimslice | 17:54 |
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| heliocastro | But at moment that they have unity in full qt gles maybe will be ok | 17:54 |
| heliocastro | bbl | 17:54 |
| berndhs | maybe so, but still, I don't tunnk UIs should be that heavy | 17:54 |
| berndhs | s/tunnk/think/ | 17:55 |
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| mdfe_ | arc_mat: ping | 17:59 |
| mdfe_ | arc_mat: do you have touch calibration file? | 18:00 |
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| javier | hmm | 18:26 |
| javier | no qt-debuginfo for release 0.20111104.1? | 18:27 |
| javier | I can't find it anywhere | 18:27 |
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| javier | lbt: ^ | 18:29 |
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| w00t | for what architecture? | 18:31 |
| javier | w00t: for i586 | 18:31 |
| w00t | it's there | 18:31 |
| w00t | have you enabled the repo? | 18:32 |
| w00t | (http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20111104.1/builds/i586/debug/qt-debuginfo-4.8.0~beta1-1.4.i586.rpm) | 18:32 |
| javier | yep, it's enabled | 18:32 |
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| javier | I have repo --name=mer-core-i586 --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20111104.1/builds/i586/packages/ --save --debuginfo | 18:33 |
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| javier | ah, i have to add another one | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | --debuginfo just means debuginfo might be avaiable there | 18:34 |
| javier | yeah, I had forgotten that | 18:35 |
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| vgrade | evening all | 18:48 |
| mdfe_ | hi :) | 18:48 |
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| vgrade | missed everything today, reads backlog's | 18:48 |
| vgrade | mdfe_ , evening | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | evening vgrade | 18:49 |
| vgrade | mdfe_ re comtributions to g9 kernel, I will try an commit to the git tree | 18:49 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 18:49 |
| marquiz | Stskeeps: i put preliminary dual-boot instructions to the wiki: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Marquiz/N950 | 18:49 |
| vgrade | heliocastro, hi | 18:50 |
| berndhs | marquiz: a dual booter exists, this is very good news! | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | marquiz: cool | 18:51 |
| marquiz | i wouldn't advertise it too much, yet | 18:52 |
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| marquiz | wouldn't like to get nag about tons of bricked devices or lost user data, or... | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:53 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: any timeline for next mer release? | 19:19 |
| Sage | No rush, just wondering if the glib2 is getting there. | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so, my idea is to build it using the new 2.3 setup | 19:21 |
| Sage | sounds good | 19:22 |
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| mgrover_ | hello | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo mgrover_, what brings you here? | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: so am setting up things at the moment, fakeobs, etc | 19:22 |
| mgrover_ | i was wondering if anyone knew were the plasma desktop files were for the n900? | 19:22 |
| mgrover_ | if there are any | 19:22 |
| Sage | I'll get new set of updated packages next week. This week probably no time. | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | mgrover_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace | 19:23 |
| Sage | There should be 10-20 quick and clean updates to go at least. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | mgrover_: #active might also be good :) | 19:23 |
| mgrover_ | also thanks this, i thought most people stopped caring about alternative oses for the n900 but this works great | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | mgrover_: Nemo is also pretty active | 19:23 |
| mgrover_ | i think its great :D | 19:23 |
| mgrover_ | things at maemo kinda gotten out of control lol | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: just be aware that i might add your .gitignore request in order to ensure proper upgrade of rpms, so some of your git changes might need to be rebased | 19:24 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well, that shouldn't need rebase. But I'm ok with that. | 19:25 |
| mgrover_ | i cant seem to find the files, only a demo video | 19:25 |
| Sage | it is totally new file so should apply without problems | 19:25 |
| Sage | mgrover_: there is two repos that you need to add and you can get active packages to your n900 | 19:26 |
| Sage | CE:MW:PlasmaActive and Project:KDE:Devel from Cobs that are compiled for armv7hl | 19:26 |
| mgrover_ | am guessing there all in the pub.meego.com? | 19:27 |
| Sage | mgrover_: yes | 19:27 |
| mgrover_ | thank you | 19:27 |
| Sage | mgrover_: you are welcome. | 19:27 |
| mgrover_ | also will nemo ever support java? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | you can try to build openjdk for it if you really want it | 19:28 |
| mgrover_ | after my exam tomorrow ill have a lot of free time :D | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | but i would use it on more productive things personally | 19:29 |
| mgrover_ | am being taught java so i can pretty much only write programs in java | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah, time to expand your knowledge | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'd start with qml | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:30 |
| Sage | cruel world ;) | 19:30 |
| berndhs | nobody stopping you from learning something else :) | 19:30 |
| jonnor | focus on learning software, not any one language | 19:30 |
| jonnor | *software development | 19:30 |
| mgrover_ | i might start with c++ ive been told its pretty much java but you have to allocate the memory yourself | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | nah, it's more along lines of deallocate ram yourself | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:31 |
| mgrover_ | ill probably end up crashing my computer either way | 19:32 |
| berndhs | it's not as if you have to manually un-solder the RAM chips | 19:32 |
| mgrover_ | hopefully after that it'll be onto Qt | 19:33 |
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| ali1234 | mgrover_: get a spectrum emulator and learn z80 assembler. that will teach you more about how computers work than any other language. | 19:47 |
| mgrover_ | if i pass this formal foundations exam i will do | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | after that C will be easy, and you'll understand why it exists and works the way it does | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | then once you know C and java, C++ will be easy | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | C# is then another easy step | 19:50 |
| mgrover_ | meh from what ive heard about C# its just microsofts java | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | pretty much | 19:51 |
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| ali1234 | java -> C++ will cause you many problems if you don't understand C though | 19:53 |
| mgrover_ | havent really looked at see | 19:54 |
| mgrover_ | C | 19:54 |
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| ali1234 | C is designed around machine language paradigms like pointers and arrays | 19:55 |
| mgrover_ | ive got a lot of read | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | in java all that is hidden from you | 19:56 |
| mgrover_ | reading to do by the looks of it | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | you can't access it even if you want to | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | C++ doesn't hide it, and often you need to use it | 19:56 |
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| vgrade | mdavey, hi | 19:57 |
| vgrade | got my pitch in at , http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/11/24/qt-5-with-rasberry-pi-a-delicious-mix-with-home-delivery/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheQtBlog+%28The+Qt+Blog%29 | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | quite a nice arrangement | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm happy to see people thinking beyond handsets and tablets | 19:58 |
| mgrover_ | i like the rasberry pi :) | 19:58 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, you got yours | 19:58 |
| mgrover_ | googles trying to release its own version of its at $200 too much | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: still waiting, but mdavey sent | 19:58 |
| vgrade | ok | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | polish post is, erm, funny | 19:58 |
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| vgrade | bagged a samsung note, early xmas pressie | 20:03 |
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| crevetor | vgrade: it seems really huge | 20:04 |
| crevetor | vgrade: is it pocketable at all ? | 20:04 |
| marquiz | what is the proper way to submit changes to CE nowadays? | 20:05 |
| marquiz | i'd have few changes to CE:Adaptation:N950-N9/kernel-adaptation-n950 | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | marquiz: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | so branch, SR | 20:06 |
| mgrover_ | how can i submit a bug onto the bugzilla? it needs an account | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | mgrover_: Mer one or Nemo? | 20:09 |
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| mgrover_ | nemo | 20:10 |
| lbt | mgrover_: hey | 20:10 |
| mgrover_ | hey lbt | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | mgrover_: kinda illogically, you need to register on bugs.merproject.org and that's an account you can use.. | 20:10 |
| lbt | mgrover_: how did you try to login/get an account? | 20:10 |
| lbt | I want to know where people end up so I can put the text in the right place | 20:10 |
| mgrover_ | ah right thank you | 20:10 |
| lbt | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/ says it fairly clearly | 20:11 |
| lbt | but maybe I need <blink> :) | 20:11 |
| mgrover_ | kinda missed that page just followed the link from the wiki | 20:11 |
| lbt | OK - where to? | 20:11 |
| lbt | nb ... don't feel bad about it ... it needs to be made pretty obvious :D | 20:12 |
| mgrover_ | lol ill learn eventually | 20:12 |
| lbt | yep - well, if you can suggest anywhere to add the info I'll try | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can't we like make account.merproject.org with a POST to bugzilla and return to this page.. | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | this and this page | 20:13 |
| * Stskeeps tries out if obs 2.3 has improved linked projects or they're still buggy as hell | 20:14 | |
| mgrover_ | will do | 20:14 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: you still have the problem of telling bz users | 20:14 |
| lbt | I may have to edit the help text | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: not if we change "Register" link.. | 20:14 |
| lbt | there isn't one :) | 20:14 |
| lbt | register is disabled due to using ldap | 20:15 |
| lbt | I may be able to add one to the default navbar though | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's what i'm saying.. | 20:15 |
| lbt | sec... just begging for a RasPi | 20:16 |
| mgrover_ | to be fair there fairly cheap,i want one for the fact it can do 1080p :) | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can i ask you to hook monster on vlan110? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | for obs worker | 20:20 |
| lbt | OK | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | we can shut down the old tunnel setup | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | between monster and phost2 | 20:24 |
| vgrade | crevetor, does fit in pocket, just, looks a bit odd while taking calls. I see it as a coffee table device to pick up an check emails, IM, browsing, take quick notes | 20:25 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I setup internal ldap today too | 20:26 |
| marquiz | Stskeeps: ok, thanks | 20:26 |
| lbt | not using it for accounts yet but ready to try that | 20:26 |
| marquiz | time to go to bed, c ya | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | nite marquiz | 20:27 |
| lbt | o/ marquiz | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, i think we can do ldap for build.ci | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not currently exposing it to outside until we've fixed it up | 20:28 |
| lbt | we have ldap groups | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | and secured it, etc | 20:28 |
| lbt | so it's easy to restrict | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:28 |
| lbt | I need to put our notes on a wiki | 20:28 |
| lbt | I'm thinking of putting up ikiwiki internally - thoughts? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | for the logs, [24/Nov/2011 21:44:42] i586 | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:46 |
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| lbt | ? | 20:48 |
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| lbt | anyhow... about to mess with monster's interfaces | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:49 |
| lbt | what could possilby go wrong :) | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | just remove the old odd openvpn configuration at least | 20:50 |
| mdavey | vgrade, Stskeeps have you considered how to encourage Qt developers to use Mer on Raspberry Pi for hacking Qt? | 20:50 |
| mdavey | or indeed if you want to? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: i think when they want to move higher up than Taku, Mer would be a good candidate | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: that's how i would personally position it | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | most people don't know, but we do have qt5 packaging for mer :P | 20:51 |
| vgrade | mdavey, my work here was with that in mind, http://martinbrook.blogspot.com/2011/11/qt-creator-on-raspberry-pi-its-been.html | 20:53 |
| mdavey | I think if it is something you want to encourage, then having really clear, consise and easy steps for getting up and running on R.Pi - with all the bits that Qt developers would want - would have a significant positive impact | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 20:53 |
| vgrade | mdavey, but probably overtaken by Qt announcement | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like the gles side of things to be easier solved for mer on pi before that though | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | which is my task | 20:54 |
| mdavey | vgrade: yup, saw the email about that - exactly the kind of thing I'm thinking of. And also http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#Raspberry_Pi | 20:54 |
| vgrade | we can always do more documentation | 20:56 |
| lbt | we haz vlan | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 20:57 |
| lbt | mdavey: I think RasPi will be an ideal reference board for Mer | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: hooked up obs worker to b-ci | 20:58 |
| mdavey | lbt: I think people everywhere are thinking R.Pi will be an ideal reference board for their project xyz :D | 20:58 |
| lbt | mdavey: yep | 20:58 |
| lbt | mdavey: the good news is that Mer will be a great baseline distro for people looking to productise - Mer's not so much a project to run on the RasPi but one to enable other projects to do so effectively | 20:59 |
| mdavey | lbt: Yup | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | and easy prototyping | 21:00 |
| lbt | I'd expect Mer to be where commercial projects start from ... it provides the systems and tooling *around* the distro too | 21:00 |
| lbt | well - that's our positioning and goals - and we plan to meet them :) | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | commercial/any product | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah, damn | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | now i remember what i was supposed to do on plane | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | sit down and sketch out www.merproject.org | 21:02 |
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| lbt | you could setup an admin wiki | 21:03 |
| lbt | on airy | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'm going to sleep though :P | 21:03 |
| lbt | hehe | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | just started b-ci with Core:i586 build | 21:03 |
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| Stskeeps | and recording job history to identify places to strike | 21:04 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ping | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: pong, very close to turning off my laptop :P | 21:08 |
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| vgrade | arc_mat|tp, ERROR nvs size is not as expected: 912 != 800, more progress, seem to have a wrong fw file | 23:50 |
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| vgrade | arc_mat|tp, code is looking for these, http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg56253.html | 23:58 |
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