Thursday, 2011-11-24

* heliocastro have chills remembering early N9 work00:00
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vgradeheliocastro, first image going up now00:02
heliocastroThanks \o/00:02
vgrade17 mins00:02
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vgradeheliocastro, plasma image up00:54
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heliocastrovgrade: Thanks, downloading00:56
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vgradeheliocastro, time for sleep here, let me know how you get on.01:21
vgradeQtDesktop image just started01:21
heliocastrovgrade: Good night and many thanks01:22
heliocastroi'm burning a sd and a usb pen01:22
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Stskeepsperkele, zzzzzzz05:53
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iekkuStskeeps, :DDDDD05:56
iekkui need coffee, it took me 2 minutes to understand that it was really you and really THAT word05:56
Stskeepsi fell asleep like 2am05:56
Stskeepsso a bit trashed05:56
iekkuuh oh!05:57
iekkui slept well, first time in this week05:57
iekkucoffeee, packing, coffee, packing, some telcos, packing, packing05:57
iekku^todays agenda05:57
iekkutomorrow: new home <305:58
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w00tSage: it's morning, and it hasn't started as a good one07:14
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damnshockhey guys, I've noticed that the SSL certificate is not signed by any CA09:40
Stskeepsyeah, we aren't exactly made of money (yet)09:40
Stskeepsso eventually we'll have a proper one :)09:40
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Stskeepsmorn mdfe_09:41
lbtdamnshock: it is signed by a CA ....09:42
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lbtjust not one that's preloaded into your browser09:42
lbtmorning Stskeeps09:43
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Stskeepsmorn lbt09:44
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damnshockStskeeps: we could get a free one, couldn't we?09:46
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mdfe_Stskeeps: good morning09:49
vgrademorning all09:51
vgradearc_mat, have wlan0 now09:51
mdfe_awesome :)09:51
vgradewell I have the interface, need to work on connman, I think the dbus issues elsewhere are affecting09:51
arc_matvgrade: yessss!09:51
arc_matvgrade: there is a more uptodate driver on, in the p-android-omap-2.6.35 branch, it should match our kernel09:52
arc_matvgrade: let me get you the url09:53
vgradeok thanks, got go day job09:53
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arc_matvgrade: seems to be the most advanced that should still compile against 2.6.3509:56
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arc_matvgrade: the ics branch is newer, though.. hmmm09:57
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javierthere's no mobile-broadband-provider-info for i586? i only see it in vgrade's home project10:25
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Stskeepsjavier: hmm, might be useful to include in core10:33
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Sagemdfe_: ping13:21
Sagemdfe_: that telepathy thing needs a lot of stripping13:21
Sagemdfe_: I don't relly think that we need all of those for telepathy13:22
SageI would say 80% can go away13:24
* Sage checks13:24
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w00tI was thinkin the same13:25
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Sagegive me a moment to cehck13:25
w00tfor instance, I doubt that telepathy requires qmf, or mobility.. technically it doesn't require telepathy-qt4 either, peregrine probably does13:25
SageI'll start what peregrine requies and go down from there13:26
w00t(minor distinction, though :))13:26
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Sage1st assumption when getting packages to Mer. Assume that all the build deps are wrong :)13:31
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Sagemdfe_, w00t:
Sage15:24.03 < Sage> I would say 80% can go away14:01
Sagecan someone do the math ;)14:01
Sage36 vs 8 :)14:02
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w00tow :P14:03
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mdfe_Sage: cool14:04
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Sagedudes, if you see word gtk in package name you are doing it wrong ;)14:04
Sagenot sure though if that works, but at least it compiles ok14:05
mdfe_Sage: you are awesome :)14:05
Sagethose would need more cleanups before accepted to CE:Mw:Shared, but now I can see those there.14:05
Sagepackaging of those packages is mostly very poor quality.14:05
SageX-Fade: sync ping14:06
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StskeepsSage: he's sitting in front of me in airport and his n950 refuses to get net, don't think he can comply14:08
SageStskeeps: :P14:08
SageI can't send release note then :/14:10
Stskeepssyncs every hour14:11
Sageok, well will sent it later then.14:11
SageI think I missed that sync with a couple of minutes :D14:11
w00tSage: you could just send it and send another note when it's actually there - low traffic list, so :)14:14
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Sagew00t: true, commenting that it is there in a hour or so.14:15
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Sagethere it is.14:36
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* Stskeeps lands in warsaw16:56
marquizStskeeps: how was your trip?16:59
Stskeepsmarquiz: bumpy17:00
berndhsif you walk away from it, it was a good landing17:00
Stskeepswords you don't want to hear during descent from the captation, 'unfortunately..'17:00
Stskeepssaying a lot of turbulence was on the way :P17:01
Stskeepser, takeoff17:01
marquizsounds bad17:03
marquizbut you're safely on solid land now ;) (?)17:03
leinirwhat airline did you fly with?17:08
leinirhmm... at least they tend to have reasonably decent planes :)17:08
drussellI don't generally mind turbulance or bad takeoff/landings... it's delays that get me :o)17:08
berndhsi've gotten to the stage where a 60 minute delay feels like on-time17:09
drussellberndhs: hehe I hear that.... unless you've got a connecting flight, in which case all hell breaks loose17:09
berndhsyeah that's why i require sufficient buffering in the connections17:10
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heliocastrolbt: Hi. Mer boot and usage was success, i not advanced more because was late and i hadn't network drivers to copy all extra needs. I'll be kind of out this weekend, but on Monday will tryu to make everything use accel17:17
heliocastrolbt: Thanks for late night image :-)17:18
lbtcongrats !17:18
lbtno problem17:18
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damnshockheliocastro: how was the latest image working?17:50
heliocastrodamnshock: Considering is raster, is quite fast17:50
heliocastroBut i still think plasma active iface a bit confuse17:51
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berndhsplasma active feels heavy17:52
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heliocastroberndhs: Not much than unity on standard ubuntu on trimslice17:54
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heliocastroBut at moment that they have unity in full qt gles maybe will be ok17:54
berndhsmaybe so, but still, I don't tunnk UIs should be that heavy17:54
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mdfe_arc_mat: ping17:59
mdfe_arc_mat: do you have touch calibration file?18:00
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javierno qt-debuginfo for release 0.20111104.1?18:27
javierI can't find it anywhere18:27
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javierlbt: ^18:29
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w00tfor what architecture?18:31
javierw00t: for i58618:31
w00tit's there18:31
w00thave you enabled the repo?18:32
javieryep, it's enabled18:32
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javierI have repo --name=mer-core-i586 --baseurl= --save --debuginfo18:33
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javierah, i have to add another one18:34
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Stskeeps--debuginfo just means debuginfo might be avaiable there18:34
javieryeah, I had forgotten that18:35
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vgradeevening all18:48
mdfe_hi :)18:48
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vgrademissed everything today, reads backlog's18:48
vgrademdfe_ , evening18:48
Stskeepsevening vgrade18:49
vgrademdfe_ re comtributions to g9 kernel, I will try an commit to the git tree18:49
marquizStskeeps: i put preliminary dual-boot instructions to the wiki:
vgradeheliocastro, hi18:50
berndhsmarquiz: a dual booter exists, this is very good news!18:51
Stskeepsmarquiz: cool18:51
marquizi wouldn't advertise it too much, yet18:52
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marquizwouldn't like to get nag about tons of bricked devices or lost user data, or...18:52
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SageStskeeps: any timeline for next mer release?19:19
SageNo rush, just wondering if the glib2 is getting there.19:20
StskeepsSage: so, my idea is to build it using the new 2.3 setup19:21
Sagesounds good19:22
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Stskeeps'lo mgrover_, what brings you here?19:22
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StskeepsSage: so am setting up things at the moment, fakeobs, etc19:22
mgrover_i was wondering if anyone knew were the plasma desktop files were for the n900?19:22
mgrover_if there are any19:22
SageI'll get new set of updated packages next week. This week probably no time.19:22
SageThere should be 10-20 quick and clean updates to go at least.19:23
Stskeepsmgrover_: #active might also be good :)19:23
mgrover_also thanks this, i thought most people stopped caring about alternative oses for the n900 but this works great19:23
Stskeepsmgrover_: Nemo is also pretty active19:23
mgrover_i think its great :D19:23
mgrover_things at maemo kinda gotten out of control lol19:24
StskeepsSage: just be aware that i might add your .gitignore request in order to ensure proper upgrade of rpms, so some of your git changes might need to be rebased19:24
SageStskeeps: well, that shouldn't need rebase. But I'm ok with that.19:25
mgrover_i cant seem to find the files, only a demo video19:25
Sageit is totally new file so should apply without problems19:25
Sagemgrover_: there is two repos that you need to add and you can get active packages to your n90019:26
SageCE:MW:PlasmaActive and Project:KDE:Devel from Cobs that are compiled for armv7hl19:26
mgrover_am guessing there all in the
Sagemgrover_: yes19:27
mgrover_thank you19:27
Sagemgrover_: you are welcome.19:27
mgrover_also will nemo ever support java?19:28
Stskeepsyou can try to build openjdk for it if you really want it19:28
mgrover_after my exam tomorrow ill have a lot of free time :D19:29
Stskeepsbut i would use it on more productive things personally19:29
mgrover_am being taught java so i can pretty much only write programs in java19:29
Stskeepsah, time to expand your knowledge19:30
Stskeepsi'd start with qml19:30
Sagecruel world ;)19:30
berndhsnobody stopping you from learning something else :)19:30
jonnorfocus on learning software, not any one language19:30
jonnor*software development19:30
mgrover_i might start with c++ ive been told its pretty much java but you have to allocate the memory yourself19:30
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Stskeepsnah, it's more along lines of deallocate ram yourself19:31
mgrover_ill probably end up crashing my computer either way19:32
berndhsit's not as if you have to manually un-solder the RAM chips19:32
mgrover_hopefully after that it'll be onto Qt19:33
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ali1234mgrover_: get a spectrum emulator and learn z80 assembler. that will teach you more about how computers work than any other language.19:47
mgrover_if i pass this formal foundations exam i will do19:48
ali1234after that C will be easy, and you'll understand why it exists and works the way it does19:48
ali1234then once you know C and java, C++ will be easy19:49
ali1234C# is then another easy step19:50
mgrover_meh from what ive heard about C# its just microsofts java19:51
ali1234pretty much19:51
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ali1234java -> C++ will cause you many problems if you don't understand C though19:53
mgrover_havent really looked at see19:54
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ali1234C is designed around machine language paradigms like pointers and arrays19:55
mgrover_ive got a lot of read19:56
ali1234in java all that is hidden from you19:56
mgrover_reading to do by the looks of it19:56
ali1234you can't access it even if you want to19:56
ali1234C++ doesn't hide it, and often you need to use it19:56
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vgrademdavey, hi19:57
vgradegot my pitch in at ,
Stskeepsquite a nice arrangement19:57
Stskeepsi'm happy to see people thinking beyond handsets and tablets19:58
mgrover_i like the rasberry pi :)19:58
vgradeStskeeps, you got yours19:58
mgrover_googles trying to release its own version of its at $200 too much19:58
Stskeepsvgrade: still waiting, but mdavey sent19:58
Stskeepspolish post is, erm, funny19:58
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vgradebagged a samsung note, early xmas pressie20:03
* wmarone casts voodoo and magic on the nc 2.6.32 kernel in the hopes that something will boot20:04
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crevetorvgrade: it seems really huge20:04
crevetorvgrade: is it pocketable at all ?20:04
marquizwhat is the proper way to submit changes to CE nowadays?20:05
marquizi'd have few changes to CE:Adaptation:N950-N9/kernel-adaptation-n95020:05
Stskeepsso branch, SR20:06
mgrover_how can i submit a bug onto the bugzilla? it needs an account20:08
Stskeepsmgrover_: Mer one or Nemo?20:09
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lbtmgrover_: hey20:10
mgrover_hey lbt20:10
Stskeepsmgrover_: kinda illogically, you need to register on and that's an account you can use..20:10
lbtmgrover_: how did you try to login/get an account?20:10
lbtI want to know where people end up so I can put the text in the right place20:10
mgrover_ah right thank you20:10
lbt says it fairly clearly20:11
lbtbut maybe I need <blink> :)20:11
mgrover_kinda missed that page just followed the link from the wiki20:11
lbtOK - where to?20:11
lbtnb ... don't feel bad about it ... it needs to be made pretty obvious :D20:12
mgrover_lol ill learn eventually20:12
lbtyep - well, if you can suggest anywhere to add the info I'll try20:13
Stskeepslbt: can't we like make with a POST to bugzilla and return to this page..20:13
Stskeepsthis and this page20:13
* Stskeeps tries out if obs 2.3 has improved linked projects or they're still buggy as hell20:14
mgrover_will do20:14
lbtStskeeps: you still have the problem of telling bz users20:14
lbtI may have to edit the help text20:14
Stskeepslbt: not if we change "Register" link..20:14
lbtthere isn't one :)20:14
lbtregister is disabled due to using ldap20:15
lbtI may be able to add one to the default navbar though20:15
Stskeepsyeah, that's what i'm saying..20:15
lbtsec... just begging for a RasPi20:16
mgrover_to be fair there fairly cheap,i want one for the fact it can do 1080p :)20:19
Stskeepslbt: can i ask you to hook monster on vlan110?20:20
Stskeepsfor obs worker20:20
Stskeepswe can shut down the old tunnel setup20:24
Stskeepsbetween monster and phost220:24
vgradecrevetor, does fit in pocket, just, looks a bit odd while taking calls.  I see it as a coffee table device to pick up an check emails, IM, browsing, take quick notes20:25
lbtStskeeps: I setup internal ldap today too20:26
marquizStskeeps: ok, thanks20:26
lbtnot using it for accounts yet but ready to try that20:26
marquiztime to go to bed, c ya20:27
Stskeepslbt: ok20:27
Stskeepsnite marquiz20:27
lbto/ marquiz20:27
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Stskeepslbt: yeah, i think we can do ldap for build.ci20:27
Stskeepsi'm not currently exposing it to outside until we've fixed it up20:28
lbtwe have ldap groups20:28
Stskeepsand secured it, etc20:28
lbtso it's easy to restrict20:28
lbtI need to put our notes on a wiki20:28
lbtI'm thinking of putting up ikiwiki internally - thoughts?20:29
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Stskeepsfor the logs, [24/Nov/2011 21:44:42] i58620:46
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lbtanyhow... about to mess with monster's interfaces20:49
lbtwhat could possilby go wrong :)20:49
Stskeepsjust remove the old odd openvpn configuration at least20:50
mdaveyvgrade, Stskeeps have you considered how to encourage Qt developers to use Mer on Raspberry Pi for hacking Qt?20:50
mdaveyor indeed if you want to?20:50
Stskeepsmdavey: i think when they want to move higher up than Taku, Mer would be a good candidate20:51
Stskeepsmdavey: that's how i would personally position it20:51
Stskeepsmost people don't know, but we do have qt5 packaging for mer :P20:51
vgrademdavey, my work here was with that in mind,
mdaveyI think if it is something you want to encourage, then having really clear, consise and easy steps for getting up and running on R.Pi - with all the bits that Qt developers would want - would have a significant positive impact20:53
vgrademdavey, but probably overtaken by Qt announcement20:54
Stskeepsi'd like the gles side of things to be easier solved for mer on pi before that though20:54
Stskeepswhich is my task20:54
mdaveyvgrade: yup, saw the email about that - exactly the kind of thing I'm thinking of.  And also
vgradewe can always do more documentation20:56
lbtwe haz vlan20:56
lbtmdavey: I think RasPi will be an ideal reference board for Mer20:57
Stskeepslbt: hooked up obs worker to b-ci20:58
mdaveylbt: I think people everywhere are thinking R.Pi will be an ideal reference board for their project xyz :D20:58
lbtmdavey: yep20:58
lbtmdavey: the good news is that Mer will be a great baseline distro for people looking to productise - Mer's not so much a project to run on the RasPi but one to enable other projects to do so effectively20:59
mdaveylbt: Yup21:00
Stskeepsand easy prototyping21:00
lbtI'd expect Mer to be where commercial projects start from ... it provides the systems and tooling *around* the distro too21:00
lbtwell - that's our positioning and goals - and we plan to meet them :)21:01
Stskeepscommercial/any product21:02
Stskeepsah, damn21:02
Stskeepsnow i remember what i was supposed to do on plane21:02
Stskeepssit down and sketch out www.merproject.org21:02
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lbtyou could setup an admin wiki21:03
lbton airy21:03
Stskeepsright now i'm going to sleep though :P21:03
Stskeepsjust started b-ci with Core:i586 build21:03
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Stskeepsand recording job history to identify places to strike21:04
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lbtStskeeps: ping21:08
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Stskeepslbt: pong, very close to turning off my laptop :P21:08
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Venemohey! :)23:17
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vgradearc_mat|tp, ERROR nvs size is not as expected: 912 != 800, more progress, seem to have a wrong fw file23:50
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vgradearc_mat|tp, code is looking for these,

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