Thursday, 2011-11-24

* heliocastro have chills remembering early N9 work00:00
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vgradeheliocastro, first image going up now00:02
heliocastroThanks \o/00:02
vgrade17 mins00:02
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vgradeheliocastro, plasma image up00:54
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heliocastrovgrade: Thanks, downloading00:56
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vgradeheliocastro, time for sleep here, let me know how you get on.01:21
vgradeQtDesktop image just started01:21
heliocastrovgrade: Good night and many thanks01:22
heliocastroi'm burning a sd and a usb pen01:22
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iekkumorning05:43
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Stskeepsperkele, zzzzzzz05:53
Stskeeps:P05:53
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iekkuStskeeps, :DDDDD05:56
iekkui need coffee, it took me 2 minutes to understand that it was really you and really THAT word05:56
Stskeepsi fell asleep like 2am05:56
Stskeepsso a bit trashed05:56
iekkuuh oh!05:57
iekkui slept well, first time in this week05:57
iekkucoffeee, packing, coffee, packing, some telcos, packing, packing05:57
iekku^todays agenda05:57
iekkutomorrow: new home <305:58
Stskeeps:)05:58
dm8tbrmoaning06:00
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w00tarrrgh07:03
Sage?07:11
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w00tSage: it's morning, and it hasn't started as a good one07:14
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damnshockhey guys, I've noticed that the SSL certificate is not signed by any CA09:40
Stskeepsyeah, we aren't exactly made of money (yet)09:40
Stskeepsso eventually we'll have a proper one :)09:40
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Stskeepsmorn mdfe_09:41
lbtdamnshock: it is signed by a CA ....09:42
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lbtjust not one that's preloaded into your browser09:42
lbtmorning Stskeeps09:43
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Stskeepsmorn lbt09:44
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damnshockStskeeps: we could get a free one, couldn't we?09:46
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mdfe_Stskeeps: good morning09:49
vgrademorning all09:51
vgradearc_mat, have wlan0 now09:51
mdfe_awesome :)09:51
vgradewell I have the interface, need to work on connman, I think the dbus issues elsewhere are affecting09:51
arc_matvgrade: yessss!09:51
arc_matvgrade: there is a more uptodate driver on git.omapzoom.org, in the p-android-omap-2.6.35 branch, it should match our kernel09:52
arc_matvgrade: let me get you the url09:53
vgradeok thanks, got go day job09:53
arc_matvgrade: http://git.omapzoom.org/?p=platform/hardware/ti/wlan.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/p-gingerbread09:56
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arc_matvgrade: seems to be the most advanced that should still compile against 2.6.3509:56
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arc_matvgrade: the ics branch is newer, though.. hmmm09:57
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javierthere's no mobile-broadband-provider-info for i586? i only see it in vgrade's home project10:25
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Stskeepsjavier: hmm, might be useful to include in core10:33
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Sagemdfe_: ping13:21
Sagemdfe_: that telepathy thing needs a lot of stripping13:21
Sagemdfe_: I don't relly think that we need all of those for telepathy13:22
SageI would say 80% can go away13:24
* Sage checks13:24
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w00tI was thinkin the same13:25
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Sagegive me a moment to cehck13:25
w00tfor instance, I doubt that telepathy requires qmf, or mobility.. technically it doesn't require telepathy-qt4 either, peregrine probably does13:25
SageI'll start what peregrine requies and go down from there13:26
w00t(minor distinction, though :))13:26
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Sage1st assumption when getting packages to Mer. Assume that all the build deps are wrong :)13:31
w00tlol13:31
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Sagemdfe_, w00t: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Atelepathy14:01
Sage15:24.03 < Sage> I would say 80% can go away14:01
Sagecan someone do the math ;)14:01
Sagehttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Amdfe%3Aperegrine14:01
Sage36 vs 8 :)14:02
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w00tow :P14:03
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mdfe_Sage: cool14:04
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Sagedudes, if you see word gtk in package name you are doing it wrong ;)14:04
Sagenot sure though if that works, but at least it compiles ok14:05
mdfe_Sage: you are awesome :)14:05
Sagethose would need more cleanups before accepted to CE:Mw:Shared, but now I can see those there.14:05
Sagepackaging of those packages is mostly very poor quality.14:05
mdfe_yepp14:06
SageX-Fade: sync ping14:06
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StskeepsSage: he's sitting in front of me in airport and his n950 refuses to get net, don't think he can comply14:08
Stskeeps:P14:08
SageStskeeps: :P14:08
Sagedarn14:10
SageI can't send release note then :/14:10
Stskeepssyncs every hour14:11
Sageok, well will sent it later then.14:11
SageI think I missed that sync with a couple of minutes :D14:11
w00tSage: you could just send it and send another note when it's actually there - low traffic list, so :)14:14
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Sagew00t: true, commenting that it is there in a hour or so.14:15
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Sagethere it is.14:36
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* Stskeeps lands in warsaw16:56
marquizStskeeps: how was your trip?16:59
Stskeepsmarquiz: bumpy17:00
berndhsif you walk away from it, it was a good landing17:00
Stskeepswords you don't want to hear during descent from the captation, 'unfortunately..'17:00
Stskeepscaptain17:00
Stskeepssaying a lot of turbulence was on the way :P17:01
Stskeepser, takeoff17:01
marquizsounds bad17:03
marquizbut you're safely on solid land now ;) (?)17:03
Stskeepsyeah17:04
leinirwhat airline did you fly with?17:08
Stskeepsfinnair17:08
leinirhmm... at least they tend to have reasonably decent planes :)17:08
drussellI don't generally mind turbulance or bad takeoff/landings... it's delays that get me :o)17:08
berndhsi've gotten to the stage where a 60 minute delay feels like on-time17:09
drussellberndhs: hehe I hear that.... unless you've got a connecting flight, in which case all hell breaks loose17:09
berndhsyeah that's why i require sufficient buffering in the connections17:10
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heliocastrolbt: Hi. Mer boot and usage was success, i not advanced more because was late and i hadn't network drivers to copy all extra needs. I'll be kind of out this weekend, but on Monday will tryu to make everything use accel17:17
heliocastrolbt: Thanks for late night image :-)17:18
lbtcongrats !17:18
lbtno problem17:18
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damnshockheliocastro: how was the latest image working?17:50
heliocastrodamnshock: Considering is raster, is quite fast17:50
heliocastroBut i still think plasma active iface a bit confuse17:51
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berndhsplasma active feels heavy17:52
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heliocastroberndhs: Not much than unity on standard ubuntu on trimslice17:54
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heliocastroBut at moment that they have unity in full qt gles maybe will be ok17:54
heliocastrobbl17:54
berndhsmaybe so, but still, I don't tunnk UIs should be that heavy17:54
berndhss/tunnk/think/17:55
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mdfe_arc_mat: ping17:59
mdfe_arc_mat: do you have touch calibration file?18:00
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javierhmm18:26
javierno qt-debuginfo for release 0.20111104.1?18:27
javierI can't find it anywhere18:27
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javierlbt: ^18:29
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w00tfor what architecture?18:31
javierw00t: for i58618:31
w00tit's there18:31
w00thave you enabled the repo?18:32
w00t(http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20111104.1/builds/i586/debug/qt-debuginfo-4.8.0~beta1-1.4.i586.rpm)18:32
javieryep, it's enabled18:32
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javierI have repo --name=mer-core-i586 --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20111104.1/builds/i586/packages/ --save --debuginfo18:33
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javierah, i have to add another one18:34
Stskeepsyeah18:34
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Stskeeps--debuginfo just means debuginfo might be avaiable there18:34
javieryeah, I had forgotten that18:35
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vgradeevening all18:48
mdfe_hi :)18:48
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vgrademissed everything today, reads backlog's18:48
vgrademdfe_ , evening18:48
Stskeepsevening vgrade18:49
vgrademdfe_ re comtributions to g9 kernel, I will try an commit to the git tree18:49
mdfe_:)18:49
marquizStskeeps: i put preliminary dual-boot instructions to the wiki: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Marquiz/N95018:49
vgradeheliocastro, hi18:50
berndhsmarquiz: a dual booter exists, this is very good news!18:51
Stskeepsmarquiz: cool18:51
marquizi wouldn't advertise it too much, yet18:52
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poohmaanexit18:52
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marquizwouldn't like to get nag about tons of bricked devices or lost user data, or...18:52
Stskeeps:nod:18:53
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SageStskeeps: any timeline for next mer release?19:19
SageNo rush, just wondering if the glib2 is getting there.19:20
StskeepsSage: so, my idea is to build it using the new 2.3 setup19:21
Sagesounds good19:22
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mgrover_hello19:22
Stskeeps'lo mgrover_, what brings you here?19:22
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StskeepsSage: so am setting up things at the moment, fakeobs, etc19:22
mgrover_i was wondering if anyone knew were the plasma desktop files were for the n900?19:22
mgrover_if there are any19:22
SageI'll get new set of updated packages next week. This week probably no time.19:22
Stskeeps:nod:19:22
Stskeepsmgrover_: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace19:23
SageThere should be 10-20 quick and clean updates to go at least.19:23
Stskeepsmgrover_: #active might also be good :)19:23
mgrover_also thanks this, i thought most people stopped caring about alternative oses for the n900 but this works great19:23
Stskeepsmgrover_: Nemo is also pretty active19:23
mgrover_i think its great :D19:23
mgrover_things at maemo kinda gotten out of control lol19:24
StskeepsSage: just be aware that i might add your .gitignore request in order to ensure proper upgrade of rpms, so some of your git changes might need to be rebased19:24
SageStskeeps: well, that shouldn't need rebase. But I'm ok with that.19:25
mgrover_i cant seem to find the files, only a demo video19:25
Sageit is totally new file so should apply without problems19:25
Sagemgrover_: there is two repos that you need to add and you can get active packages to your n90019:26
SageCE:MW:PlasmaActive and Project:KDE:Devel from Cobs that are compiled for armv7hl19:26
mgrover_am guessing there all in the pub.meego.com?19:27
Sagemgrover_: yes19:27
mgrover_thank you19:27
Sagemgrover_: you are welcome.19:27
mgrover_also will nemo ever support java?19:28
Stskeepsyou can try to build openjdk for it if you really want it19:28
mgrover_after my exam tomorrow ill have a lot of free time :D19:29
Stskeepsbut i would use it on more productive things personally19:29
mgrover_am being taught java so i can pretty much only write programs in java19:29
Stskeepsah, time to expand your knowledge19:30
Stskeepsi'd start with qml19:30
Stskeeps:P19:30
Sagecruel world ;)19:30
berndhsnobody stopping you from learning something else :)19:30
jonnorfocus on learning software, not any one language19:30
jonnor*software development19:30
mgrover_i might start with c++ ive been told its pretty much java but you have to allocate the memory yourself19:30
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Stskeepsnah, it's more along lines of deallocate ram yourself19:31
Stskeeps:P19:31
mgrover_ill probably end up crashing my computer either way19:32
berndhsit's not as if you have to manually un-solder the RAM chips19:32
mgrover_hopefully after that it'll be onto Qt19:33
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ali1234mgrover_: get a spectrum emulator and learn z80 assembler. that will teach you more about how computers work than any other language.19:47
mgrover_if i pass this formal foundations exam i will do19:48
ali1234after that C will be easy, and you'll understand why it exists and works the way it does19:48
ali1234then once you know C and java, C++ will be easy19:49
ali1234C# is then another easy step19:50
mgrover_meh from what ive heard about C# its just microsofts java19:51
ali1234pretty much19:51
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ali1234java -> C++ will cause you many problems if you don't understand C though19:53
mgrover_havent really looked at see19:54
mgrover_C19:54
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ali1234C is designed around machine language paradigms like pointers and arrays19:55
mgrover_ive got a lot of read19:56
ali1234in java all that is hidden from you19:56
mgrover_reading to do by the looks of it19:56
ali1234you can't access it even if you want to19:56
ali1234C++ doesn't hide it, and often you need to use it19:56
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vgrademdavey, hi19:57
vgradegot my pitch in at , http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/11/24/qt-5-with-rasberry-pi-a-delicious-mix-with-home-delivery/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheQtBlog+%28The+Qt+Blog%2919:57
Stskeepsquite a nice arrangement19:57
Stskeepsi'm happy to see people thinking beyond handsets and tablets19:58
mgrover_i like the rasberry pi :)19:58
vgradeStskeeps, you got yours19:58
mgrover_googles trying to release its own version of its at $200 too much19:58
Stskeepsvgrade: still waiting, but mdavey sent19:58
vgradeok19:58
Stskeepspolish post is, erm, funny19:58
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vgradebagged a samsung note, early xmas pressie20:03
* wmarone casts voodoo and magic on the nc 2.6.32 kernel in the hopes that something will boot20:04
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crevetorvgrade: it seems really huge20:04
crevetorvgrade: is it pocketable at all ?20:04
marquizwhat is the proper way to submit changes to CE nowadays?20:05
marquizi'd have few changes to CE:Adaptation:N950-N9/kernel-adaptation-n95020:05
Stskeepsmarquiz: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS20:06
Stskeepsso branch, SR20:06
mgrover_how can i submit a bug onto the bugzilla? it needs an account20:08
Stskeepsmgrover_: Mer one or Nemo?20:09
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mgrover_nemo20:10
lbtmgrover_: hey20:10
mgrover_hey lbt20:10
Stskeepsmgrover_: kinda illogically, you need to register on bugs.merproject.org and that's an account you can use..20:10
lbtmgrover_: how did you try to login/get an account?20:10
lbtI want to know where people end up so I can put the text in the right place20:10
mgrover_ah right thank you20:10
lbthttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/ says it fairly clearly20:11
lbtbut maybe I need <blink> :)20:11
mgrover_kinda missed that page just followed the link from the wiki20:11
lbtOK - where to?20:11
lbtnb ... don't feel bad about it ... it needs to be made pretty obvious :D20:12
mgrover_lol ill learn eventually20:12
lbtyep - well, if you can suggest anywhere to add the info I'll try20:13
Stskeepslbt: can't we like make account.merproject.org with a POST to bugzilla and return to this page..20:13
Stskeepsthis and this page20:13
* Stskeeps tries out if obs 2.3 has improved linked projects or they're still buggy as hell20:14
mgrover_will do20:14
lbtStskeeps: you still have the problem of telling bz users20:14
lbtI may have to edit the help text20:14
Stskeepslbt: not if we change "Register" link..20:14
lbtthere isn't one :)20:14
lbtregister is disabled due to using ldap20:15
lbtI may be able to add one to the default navbar though20:15
Stskeepsyeah, that's what i'm saying..20:15
lbtsec... just begging for a RasPi20:16
mgrover_to be fair there fairly cheap,i want one for the fact it can do 1080p :)20:19
Stskeepslbt: can i ask you to hook monster on vlan110?20:20
Stskeepsfor obs worker20:20
lbtOK20:21
Stskeepswe can shut down the old tunnel setup20:24
Stskeepsbetween monster and phost220:24
vgradecrevetor, does fit in pocket, just, looks a bit odd while taking calls.  I see it as a coffee table device to pick up an check emails, IM, browsing, take quick notes20:25
lbtStskeeps: I setup internal ldap today too20:26
marquizStskeeps: ok, thanks20:26
lbtnot using it for accounts yet but ready to try that20:26
marquiztime to go to bed, c ya20:27
Stskeepslbt: ok20:27
Stskeepsnite marquiz20:27
lbto/ marquiz20:27
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Stskeepslbt: yeah, i think we can do ldap for build.ci20:27
Stskeepsi'm not currently exposing it to outside until we've fixed it up20:28
lbtwe have ldap groups20:28
Stskeepsand secured it, etc20:28
lbtso it's easy to restrict20:28
Stskeeps:nod:20:28
lbtI need to put our notes on a wiki20:28
lbtI'm thinking of putting up ikiwiki internally - thoughts?20:29
Stskeepsok20:30
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Stskeepsfor the logs, [24/Nov/2011 21:44:42] i58620:46
Stskeeps:P20:46
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lbt?20:48
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lbtanyhow... about to mess with monster's interfaces20:49
Stskeepsok20:49
lbtwhat could possilby go wrong :)20:49
Stskeepsjust remove the old odd openvpn configuration at least20:50
mdaveyvgrade, Stskeeps have you considered how to encourage Qt developers to use Mer on Raspberry Pi for hacking Qt?20:50
mdaveyor indeed if you want to?20:50
Stskeepsmdavey: i think when they want to move higher up than Taku, Mer would be a good candidate20:51
Stskeepsmdavey: that's how i would personally position it20:51
Stskeepsmost people don't know, but we do have qt5 packaging for mer :P20:51
vgrademdavey, my work here was with that in mind, http://martinbrook.blogspot.com/2011/11/qt-creator-on-raspberry-pi-its-been.html20:53
mdaveyI think if it is something you want to encourage, then having really clear, consise and easy steps for getting up and running on R.Pi - with all the bits that Qt developers would want - would have a significant positive impact20:53
Stskeeps:nod:20:53
Stskeepsagreed20:53
vgrademdavey, but probably overtaken by Qt announcement20:54
Stskeepsi'd like the gles side of things to be easier solved for mer on pi before that though20:54
Stskeepswhich is my task20:54
mdaveyvgrade: yup, saw the email about that - exactly the kind of thing I'm thinking of.  And also http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#Raspberry_Pi20:54
vgradewe can always do more documentation20:56
lbtwe haz vlan20:56
Stskeepsthanks20:57
lbtmdavey: I think RasPi will be an ideal reference board for Mer20:57
Stskeepslbt: hooked up obs worker to b-ci20:58
mdaveylbt: I think people everywhere are thinking R.Pi will be an ideal reference board for their project xyz :D20:58
lbtmdavey: yep20:58
lbtmdavey: the good news is that Mer will be a great baseline distro for people looking to productise - Mer's not so much a project to run on the RasPi but one to enable other projects to do so effectively20:59
mdaveylbt: Yup21:00
Stskeepsand easy prototyping21:00
lbtI'd expect Mer to be where commercial projects start from ... it provides the systems and tooling *around* the distro too21:00
lbtwell - that's our positioning and goals - and we plan to meet them :)21:01
Stskeepscommercial/any product21:02
Stskeeps:P21:02
Stskeepsah, damn21:02
Stskeepsnow i remember what i was supposed to do on plane21:02
Stskeepssit down and sketch out www.merproject.org21:02
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lbtyou could setup an admin wiki21:03
lbton airy21:03
Stskeepsright now i'm going to sleep though :P21:03
lbthehe21:03
Stskeepsjust started b-ci with Core:i586 build21:03
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Stskeepsand recording job history to identify places to strike21:04
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lbtStskeeps: ping21:08
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Stskeepslbt: pong, very close to turning off my laptop :P21:08
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Venemohey! :)23:17
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vgradearc_mat|tp, ERROR nvs size is not as expected: 912 != 800, more progress, seem to have a wrong fw file23:50
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vgradearc_mat|tp, code is looking for these, http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg56253.html23:58

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