Tuesday, 2011-11-22

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dcthangmorning Stskeeps,04:02
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iekkulbt, iekku but i have already user account there04:40
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iekkuand morning to all :D04:53
Stskeepszzzz05:00
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phaeronSage: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Adding_repositories06:26
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phaeronSage: also at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS#Setting_up_Build_Repositories06:29
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w00tlbt: w00t06:33
Stskeepsmorn w00t06:34
phaerona review of that osc plugin would be nice :)06:35
w00tStskeeps: muh06:37
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phaeronw00t: you had issues with having valid repos for submit requests , right ?06:56
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w00tphaeron: ish, yeah06:57
w00thence home:w00t:ce being full of repos06:57
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phaeronw00t: if the above link was included in the error messages for further info, would you click on it and try out the osc plugin ?07:00
w00tlet me look07:01
w00tthat sounds pretty neat07:01
phaeronfirst I did it as a bash script , but as an osc plugin it is neater07:02
w00tyes07:03
Sagephaeron: well, that doesn't solve any of our devs questions07:03
phaeron:(07:03
Sagephaeron: Let me create you an example07:04
phaeronSage: wasn't the issue that the error message is unclear ?07:04
w00tSage: but it does provide a one-liner to solve it, doesn't it?07:04
w00tor am i misunderstanding07:04
SageI need to check that addrepos07:05
phaeronplease do07:07
Sageah, I misunderstood a bit too early in the morning :D07:07
* w00t injects coffee into Sage07:08
Sagephaeron: it works. I have an improvement suggestion though07:08
phaeronSage: sure :)07:09
Sagecurrently it creates repos named: CE_Apps_MTF_CE_MW_MTF_armv7hl and those should be really CE_Apps_MTF_armv7hl07:09
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phaeronmm let me look07:10
Sagephaeron: also the first initial SR makes the repos shown in oneliner, would be nice to have line breaks on the element starts or something at least07:10
phaeronyeah ElementTree doesn't have pretty print support. I was looking for some way to fix that07:11
Sagenice, another package failed with my patches to mer :/07:11
Sagethis cycle is so minimalistic that what ever you do you cause some chain reaction :P07:12
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SageStskeeps: umm... can obs handle packages that compiles for both x86 and arm files? i.e., can I get cross compiler for arm to x86 build07:36
Sageand also what is the easiest way to get cross compiler for armv7l to f15?07:37
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phaeronSage: refresh the script, added xmlindent07:50
phaeronI'll be away for some time07:50
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marquiz_morn07:52
Sagemarquiz_: morning07:53
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javiermorning08:36
javierone question, isn't the gui installer based on anaconda?08:36
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xruxaLatest adaptation fails to install with zypper update  http://pastie.org/290233309:17
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w00terf09:19
w00tthat doesn't look good09:19
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Sagepah, we really need to fix that packaging09:27
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ScriptRipperlbt Stskeeps anyone tried out the QEMU I put into my home project ?09:47
ScriptRipperor should I do that ?09:47
lbthey ScriptRipper... just got here09:51
lbtI've not tried it yet09:51
lbtI spent yesterday on infrastructure things09:52
ScriptRipperok09:52
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javierI haven't received any mail from nemomobile's bugzilla09:56
iekkuso, there must be something wrong with the mailing settings09:58
iekkuand i think it will be the situation in the mer also09:58
lbtI thought Stskeeps checked email? It certainly sends out registration mail10:02
lbtmer bz anyhow...10:02
lbtiekku: what username do you want BTW?10:03
iekkulbt, as i said earlier, i have user account on mer10:03
lbtyeah - you need a username too10:04
iekkuisn't there any? iekku10:04
lbtthe bz db only has email10:04
lbtI thought it would be - but wanted to check10:04
iekku:)10:04
iekkusorry10:04
lbtI've been doing bz->ldap sync with bz as the master10:04
lbtso now what happens is new-register on bz asks for a username :   https://bugs.merproject.org/createaccount.cgi10:05
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iekku:)10:08
iekkulbt, can you check what's wrong with the mail-sending? i don't have knowhow10:08
lbtlooking10:09
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iekkuthanks :)10:10
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iekkulbt, the setup is same in mer and nemo, so i think both are having same problem10:10
lbtOK - I turned on mail-debug in the params on mer bz10:10
lbtnow we should be able to see the logs10:10
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ScriptRipperlbt, is local build blocked onto Mer from Comm OBS ?10:13
lbtjavier: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<javier@kde.org>: host postbox.kde.org [46.4.96.248]: 450 4.1.8 <bugzilla@nemomobile.org>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found10:13
lbtScriptRipper: not afaik - why?10:13
ScriptRipperbecause I get an error when doing local build here10:13
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lbtmmm10:14
ScriptRipper$ acl> osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com build --clean --no-verify Core_armv7hl armv8el *.spec10:14
ScriptRipperreturns an error for me10:14
lbtwhat?10:14
ScriptRipperERROR: Either wrong repo/arch as parameter or a parse error of .spec/.dsc/.kiwi file due to syntax error10:15
javierlbt: sounds like antispam filters10:15
lbtjavier: it does - maybe the DNS thing10:15
lbtStskeeps: osc repos10:15
lbtCore_armv7hl armv8el  though?10:16
lbtoh, sorry, that's right10:16
lbtstupid naming10:16
ScriptRipperI took it from here: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS10:16
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lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_Detail ?10:16
javierlbt: i tried to visit nemomobile.org website yesterday and I couldn't. it seemed like a dns issue10:17
lbtew10:17
lbthttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/ is fine10:18
lbtso I'm guessing @ record is broken10:18
javierprobably10:19
lbtStskeeps: ping ...10:19
ScriptRipperMer.org remote project points to which OBS ?10:19
lbtScriptRipper: fakeobs10:19
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ScriptRipperyes, I need a DNS or IP addr10:20
ScriptRipperto put into mer.org project10:20
lbtto setup a local Mer mirror?10:20
ScriptRipperwhatever10:20
lbtMer doesn't use remote links10:20
ScriptRipperyou pointed me to a wiki page10:20
ScriptRipperwith title "local build"10:21
lbtah10:21
lbtsorry10:21
ScriptRipper$ osc -A https://obs:444/ branch Mer.org:Core:i586 systemd10:21
ScriptRipperwhere obs:444 is my local OBS10:21
ScriptRipperI does not work for COBS10:22
ScriptRipperit does not10:22
ScriptRipperas stated above...10:22
ScriptRipperso I need some DNS or IP to put into the remote OBS project "Mer.org"10:22
lbtyeah .... gotcha10:22
lbtsec10:22
ScriptRipperin COBS it is "hidden"10:23
ScriptRipper$ osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com meta prj Mer:fake10:24
ScriptRippershows10:24
ScriptRipper<remoteurl>http://shell:8001/public</remoteurl>10:24
lbtjust looking10:26
lbtOK so there is no 'normal' OBS to remote link against and I can't find the docs in the new DNS layout and it's not in the wiki10:28
lbtso I'm looking10:28
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Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/README.txt10:32
Stskeeps(not really here)10:32
lbtwe should delete that and put it in the wiki/git10:33
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lbtsince it's wrong :)10:34
Stskeepsmm10:34
Stskeepsbbl10:34
lbtnm I got it10:35
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lbtScriptRipper:  http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS10:41
ScriptRippermerproject.org:2080/project/packages?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase that is the OBS link, right ?10:41
lbtnot reliably10:42
lbtScriptRipper: what are you trying to achieve?10:43
lbta local OBS with a link to a remote Mer OBS ?10:43
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ScriptRipperI just want to do a local build10:50
ScriptRipperlocal build against COBS seems not to work for me10:50
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ScriptRippersee above10:50
ScriptRipperI checked out acl pkg10:51
ScriptRipperand wanted to local build against COBS10:51
ScriptRipperbut I get an error10:51
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ScriptRipper$ acl> osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com build --clean --no-verify Core_armv7hl armv8el *.spec10:53
ScriptRipperthat should work, shouldnt it ?10:53
ScriptRipperwith a checked out acl10:53
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vgradesudo osc build --no-verify Mer_Core_armv7hl armv8el11:00
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ScriptRipperhttps://api.pub.meego.com/source/Mer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai586/_meta11:04
ScriptRipperreplies 40411:04
ScriptRipperthat is the problem11:04
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ScriptRipperis fake OBS an old OBS ?11:16
ScriptRipperit cannot get the buildinfo from the remote OBS11:17
ScriptRipperit gets the _meta11:18
ScriptRipperlbt: ping11:18
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lbtScriptRipper: sorry - burst pipe ... lots of water!!!11:50
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ScriptRipperlbt: fixed it, its a bug in OBS code12:05
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ScriptRipperon the server side, e.g. my local OBS12:08
ScriptRippernow I check local build again12:08
lbtScriptRipper: OK - sorry .... been a bit distracted (and wet)12:10
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lbtty12:11
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brunelliHello, everybody!12:51
vgradebrunelli, hi12:52
brunelliWhazzup??12:53
vgradenothing12:53
brunelli:P12:54
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ScriptRipperlbt I think what I see now is another bug in osc, but not fixed13:10
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Stskeepslbt: pong15:52
StskeepsSage: what kind of crazy things are you doing? (cross compile armv7l f15, x86 arm?)15:53
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w00tisn't pretty much everything we're doing crazy?15:54
Stskeepspoint15:54
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lbtStskeeps: no idea why I pinged you :)16:02
Stskeepslbt: nemomobile MX?16:02
Stskeeps / in A16:02
lbtthat'll be one :)16:02
Stskeepscan i point to phost1 somehow?16:02
lbtideally we want to master the zone files16:03
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Stskeepswell, we're not right now, let me add it to the list16:03
lbtwe need som public DNS secondaries that think that phost1 is the DNS16:03
lbtprimary16:03
Stskeepsnow, can i just add phost1 as the IN A record/MX for nemomobile.org so bug mails go out OK? :P16:04
Stskeepsand let's fix zonefiles in the weekend16:04
lbtyes16:04
Stskeepsok16:05
lbtI changed bug mails to nemomobile_bugzilla@merproject.org this morning16:05
lbtbut once you fix MX we can revert16:05
lbtalso A rec whilst you're at it16:05
Stskeepsok16:05
Stskeepsadded for nemoproject.org16:06
Stskeepser16:06
Stskeepsnemomobile16:06
lbtnemomobile.org.         43200   IN      MX      10 phost1.merproject.org.16:07
Stskeepsright16:07
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StskeepsSage: reevaluating ed change16:20
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Stskeepslbt: btw, your instructions check out for obs setup16:28
marquizStskeeps: the dualboot thingie is in the obs, in case some enterpreneur should want to test it ;)16:29
Stskeepscool16:30
marquizi fixed few things yesterday and now it seems to work for me16:30
Stskeeps:nod:16:30
marquizno instructions in wiki, yet, though16:30
lbtStskeeps: ah, good - for 2.3?16:30
Stskeepslbt: :nod:16:31
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lbtand I wanted that discrete from "now setup fakeobs" and "now link to fakeobs"16:31
Stskeepslbt: however, they break immensely on 12.1 repos16:31
Stskeeps:P16:31
lbtouch16:31
lbtwe hear bad things about 12.116:31
lbtkernel, systemd etc16:32
lbtso we didn't deploy that on c.obs16:32
Stskeepsperl-BSSolv wasn't published for 12.116:32
lbtbtw should we be providing a public fakeobs?16:32
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Stskeepsno16:32
lbtgood - that's what I thought16:33
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Stskeepsfor when i'm home i have some new things in mind for fakeobs16:33
lbtmy rsync of mer is still running from this morning16:33
Stskeepsuh, from shell?16:33
lbtno home16:33
Stskeepsah16:33
slonopotamusa fake public fakeobs would make sense though16:34
lbtslonopotamus: a real fake one?16:34
Stskeepslbt: i'm planning on moving away from the git-checked-out mer/project-core as a start16:35
lbtwell, I'm still looking for a little time to move to pristine-tar based mer/*16:35
Stskeeps:nod:16:35
Stskeepsthat's further away in development for me, but let's add a bug for tracking it?16:36
lbtwhich will make much more sense - and has the ability to co-exist with genuine upstream git16:36
lbtyep16:36
lbtI tweaked the README.txt to reference the wiki too16:37
Stskeepsok16:37
lbtgot it  :http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS16:37
Stskeepsok16:37
SageStskeeps: nah, just needed to compile one thing that contained both intel and arm code on f1516:40
Stskeepsok16:40
lbtStskeeps: did we have a page on where our infra is? eg email/wiki ?16:40
Stskeepsno16:40
Stskeepsyour mail to stefan sounds like a good starting point?16:40
Stskeepsmailing list's with smoku, wiki's with alterego16:41
lbtI'd like to pull the wiki into merproject16:41
Stskeepsyeah, should be possible16:41
lbtwe decided to make a discrete nemomobile instance16:41
Stskeepsok16:41
lbtwhich kinda makes sense - reflects the vendor divide16:42
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Stskeepsexcept i thought we were okay with basic incubation to organise around?16:42
lbtI can then ldap them both - ideally get alterego to admin them16:42
Stskeepsjust not extended services16:42
lbtwe've got to balance available sysadmin time too16:43
Stskeepsmm16:43
lbtso these things take very little physical resource - and with the offer from Stefan that's looking like a non-issue16:43
lbtmaking them discrete VMs permits moving them out16:44
Stskeepspoint16:44
lbtwe need a policy that allows our userDB to be 'forked'16:44
Stskeepserr..16:44
Stskeeps:P16:44
lbtand to my mind that is a rational position16:45
Stskeepsdefine 'forked'16:45
Stskeepsbecause my head says data protection laws16:45
lbtwe duplicate the ldap DB16:45
lbtyep - hence policy16:45
Stskeepsi don't think that's a good idea, but let's discuss when i'm not tired16:46
lbtsure16:46
lbtah... I have an idea for that: "share my data with nemomobile.org" .... puts you in that 'group' and that group is then able to be forked16:47
lbtso you opt-in16:47
lbtit's also dynamic until the fork happens16:47
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Stskeepsphaeron: so your localdep stuff works?16:51
phaeronStskeeps: it does in my limited local test.16:55
Stskeepsok16:55
Stskeepson obs 2.3?16:55
phaeronyes16:56
Stskeepsok16:56
Stskeepsi'll test it when we've deployed 2.3 to the mer qa builder16:57
phaeronso cobs is not mer's obs ?16:58
Stskeepsnop16:58
Stskeepsmer doesn't get built there16:58
Stskeepsthere's no 'the' obs, technically16:58
phaeronok16:58
Stskeepsbut there's one that happens to all the ports and QA runs atm16:58
Stskeeps:P16:58
Stskeepsto = to do16:59
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Stskeepslbt: i'm contemplating spending some time setting up OBS vm(s)17:13
lbtOK - first step may be to fix mk_vm17:14
Stskeepsok17:14
lbtcurrently it's on phost117:14
Stskeepsok, what's wrong with it?17:15
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lbtdoesn't do 11.4 and it works 'locally' to the phost17:15
Stskeepsokay17:15
lbtthe way I ran it in meego you called it on zathras17:15
lbtzathras held the rootfs image17:15
phaeronhttp://pastie.org/2894717 new incarnation of the patch17:15
SageStskeeps: gnutls has an error in its packaging. Will sent fix soon17:16
StskeepsSage: ok17:16
lbtand ssh'ed to the alocated phost to setup the VM17:16
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lbtotherwise keeping the rootfs on all the phosts got to be a mess17:16
lbtand the scripts drifted17:16
Stskeepsok, so not reasonable to set it up tonight i guess17:16
lbtetc17:16
lbtwell, it's a good target and a reason to start17:16
Stskeepsme or you? :P17:17
Stskeeps(for mkvm part)17:18
lbtlet me put the latest meego scripts onto zathras17:18
lbtmeanwhile you look at them on phost117:18
lbt in /usr/local/bin17:18
Stskeepsok17:19
SageStskeeps: how did I do resubmit for the commit?17:19
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution#Responding_to_reviews17:19
Sageyes, but how to get the commit back as I don't have the git tree on this comp17:20
StskeepsSage: git clone it, git pull http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/gnutls refs/changes/53/153/117:21
Stskeepser,17:21
lbthttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_Detail17:21
Stskeepsgit pull ssh://stskeeps@review.merproject.org:29418/mer-core/gnutls refs/changes/53/153/117:21
Stskeepswithout stskeeps@, but with sage@ instead17:22
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phaeronhmm mangled17:22
lbtSage: if you could update that page - I think you're doing the next step - review?17:22
Stskeepswhy do we have two.. :P17:26
SageStskeeps: send a patch to gnutls.17:28
Sagefixes the cups compile17:28
Stskeepsok17:28
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Stskeepslbt: ok, looked at mk_17:35
lbtI just moved the meego one to our zathras17:36
Stskeepsok17:36
slonopotamuslet's try here...17:36
slonopotamuscan anyone explain how n800 tsc2301 interacts with DSP for sound playback?17:36
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lbterr .. missed... now I copied it17:37
lbtso mk_vm is from meego17:38
Stskeepsok17:39
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lbtneed to essentially merge the mk_squeeze on phost1 into the mk_vm on zathras17:40
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: in 2010 there was a guy called tmr1 from onego.ru who got DSP patches working on upstream kernel17:40
lbtthen add an 11.4 variant17:40
slonopotamushmm... i wonder how i missed that17:41
Stskeepsslonopotamus: i have no idea where to find him now though17:42
slonopotamusi found http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Clarification so far that lists what exists for omap sound17:43
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ScriptRipperStskeeps where do you have some the mips binaries so I can check my new QEMU pkg17:55
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StskeepsScriptRipper: home:Admin:test on monster.tspre.org:2080 (api 2081), still not fully bootstrapped17:57
Stskeepspublic api is open there17:57
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slonopotamusarmv8el???18:02
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: yes, we're ahead of times18:03
slonopotamuscool. can i order one?18:03
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SageStskeeps: did you say already if need to avoid GPLv3 or not? sharutils in Mer at least is GPLv318:19
StskeepsSage: so, in installed image.. but my initial argument was that tizen needed to have code out for that to make sense18:19
Stskeepsbecause it is a nightmare to maintain a non-gplv3 setup18:20
Sagesharutils isn't in installed image?18:20
Stskeepsnot afaik18:20
Sageok, so I'll just update and anyway the license is the same still than before18:21
Stskeeps:nod:18:21
Sagehmmp... I would really like to see why tmpwatch failed to build on gerrit18:24
Stskeepsjoin the club18:24
Stskeepsworking hard to get off obs 2.1 nightmare18:25
lbtI'm thinking to extend the OBS DB to support some of this18:27
phaeronlbt: do you know of any test suite for ob18:30
phaeronsobs18:30
phaeronerr18:30
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lbtyes18:33
phaeronwithout having to setup hudson :)18:34
lbtI keep meaning to investigate it18:34
lbtAdrian refers to it a lot18:34
phaeronlbt: I wanted to see if my patch is ok18:35
lbtI'd ask Adrian18:35
phaeronhttp://pastie.org/2894717 I am still unsure about line 5618:35
phaeronok I will18:35
lbtwould be nice to know18:35
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SageStskeeps: a bit more stuff to the machinery :)18:37
phaeronhmm I think 56 is wrong18:37
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StskeepsSage: ok18:37
StskeepsSage: thanks :)18:38
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Sageok, that was last one for today.19:03
Stskeepsquite good :)19:04
Sagethey build but I have no idea what they do to the core.19:04
Sagethat needs full build to figure out19:04
Stskeepsonly one way to figure out19:04
Sagein general those were straigh forward updates without patches mainly so shouldn't break stuff19:05
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Sagebut you never know before you try19:05
Stskeepshow many of those were yamlified?19:05
Stskeepsthat's also another thing, if we see a package that's not yaml-ified, to attempt that19:06
SageI added .yaml to couple19:07
Stskeeps:nod:19:07
Sagebut most that are not using yaml are a bit complex19:07
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Sageanyway I prefer yaml and will change when ever I see fit19:08
Stskeepsyep19:08
Sageone challenge would be updating some of Xorg packages :P19:11
Stskeepsa lot of them are .yaml, at least19:11
Sageyes, but there is a lot of them and there is a lot of deps between :/19:12
Stskeepsbut yeah, let's wait with that until we have wait-for19:12
Stskeeps:P19:12
slonopotamusdo you know how much time i spend to update Xorg for gentoo-on-n8x0? correct answer is: NONE. it's all is handled in main gentoo repo :P19:12
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yes, because some people do it there19:13
Stskeepsslonopotamus: you're enjoying what mer on n8x0 would enjoy, someone updating the core19:13
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slonopotamusStskeeps: and i don't have any valid reason not to depend on their work19:13
slonopotamusStskeeps: that's why i think your time spent on qt/xorg is uselessly spent time. you could just take packages already created in distros with compatible packaging and spend ZERO time on their maintainance.19:15
w00tslonopotamus: except (at least in the case of Qt), all the other existing distros are absolutely useless at getting them to work at top performance on the desired hardware :)19:16
Stskeepsslonopotamus: are you ever expecting to be a mer contributor?19:17
Stskeepsor even user19:18
slonopotamusw00t: in that case i think it is acceptable to copy a package and add required patches. but this patched package should live for a very short period of time until those patches are applied upstream. that's what happens currently with my patches to openwrt kernel. i write a new patch, commit it locally and notify openwrt about it. as soon as they also apply it, i drop my version and revert to using theirs one. typical lifetime of my patched versions is ~219:19
slonopotamusdays.19:19
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: i'm assuming you're not, so do me a favour and give it a rest with the negative energy, we're doing these things for a reason because what exists doesn't fill the gaps we see19:21
slonopotamusStskeeps: i was thinking very strongly about that in mer 1.0 days, but you don't target end-users currently, so i can't be a user. and since i can't be a user, i don't see any motivation to be a developer.19:21
slonopotamusnothing negative, i just want to understand your way of thinking (and fail for several years already)19:22
slonopotamusStskeeps: though i might work on distro-independent areas (like modern kernel for n8x0). reviving diablo hildon is another target i'm very interested in.19:23
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slonopotamuswhat's current mer attitude toward n8x0 btw?19:25
Stskeepsmer doesn't contain any hardware adaptations or UIs (less politics). however, we build mer core for armv6. effort exists by cxl00019:26
KaziKluBeyOut of curiosity. Do you guys think it would be possible to put mer+nemo on a htc hd2? It seems to be able to run almost anything. Thinking of buying a used one for about 80$19:27
slonopotamusStskeeps: any links to cxl000 efforts?19:27
slonopotamusmer doesn't contain any hardware adaptations or UIs << we call that stage3 here.19:28
Stskeepsslonopotamus: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x019:29
StskeepsKaziKluBey: maybe not nemo, needs good and working gles drivers19:29
smokukaziKluBey: you should be able to run the same stuff as n8x0, though19:30
Stskeepsslonopotamus: anyway, here's two:19:30
Stskeeps1) Currently existing distributions are nightmares to develop products with/productise and use within typical professional product software programs. In Mer, we take a strong stance to produce and deliver the core in such a way that we give the tools and the base software for people to use to make products and include it in professional19:30
Stskeeps2) Currently existing distributions are often targetted towards desktop/server usages and as such the standard packaging is riddled with dependancies that has no place on a mobile device. Often these dependancies cause wakeups and other ways drag battery, memory/disk footprint etc. Mer is built from bottom up towards a mobile setting in mind.19:30
Stskeepsit in professional development settings, that is19:30
smokukaziKluBey: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbE4Ply5Cbs19:31
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KaziKluBeyStskeeps,smoku: Ok, thanks. ThereĀ“s hope then :)19:33
slonopotamuscxl000: where are your patches? :P19:33
slonopotamushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1ZlXsmfISM haha, his LED is always on. i fixed that yesterday19:34
slonopotamusand he definitely has Y axis inverted :-/19:35
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Sagehmmp.. I think I need to look my N810 somewhere19:37
SageStskeeps: did someone get the GLESv1 working on N8x0 btw?19:37
Stskeepsdon't bother with it, the open driver is a nightmare19:39
Stskeeps_av500_: you don't happen to have something like a omap2 dev board do you?19:43
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dsp_to whoever cares: merproject.org uses both `optimized' and `optimised' within one sentence. otherwise, nice one.19:52
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Stskeepshehe19:52
Stskeepsyeah, true19:52
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SageStskeeps: armv6l is compiling with armv7el in obs?20:04
Stskeepsyes20:04
Sageah20:04
Stskeepsarmv7el is just a name anyway20:04
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Sagecxl000: I added armv6l to CE:Utils and CE:MW:Shared so you could remove the duplicated packages from your home projects.20:12
_av500_Stskeeps: omap2 is the only one we did not touch20:15
_av500_Stskeeps: but i am in dallas next week, i will ask20:15
Stskeepsok20:16
lbtStskeeps: can you write a wiki page : "WTF is going on with all the ARM names in Mer"20:16
Stskeepslbt: added to tod20:16
Stskeepso20:16
Stskeeps_av500_: the reason i'm asking is that the supposed gles drivers for n8x0 was reported to work on non-n8x0 omap2 hw, so i'm pondering if i can verify it somehow20:16
* lbt replying to swerden :)20:16
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_av500_Stskeeps: what non n800 omap2 hw is there?20:28
cxl000Thanks Sage. I'll clean up today.20:28
Stskeeps_av500_: i think there's some evm or some developer kit.. sec20:28
_av500_Stskeeps: yes of course20:30
_av500_but who is going to run mer on that?20:30
Stskeeps_av500_: well, this was mainly about figuring out what breaks n8x0 drivers by having a working comparison :)20:31
_av500_ah20:31
Sagecxl000: I'm going to setup a CE:Adaptation:N8x0 as well20:31
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Sagecxl000: what is the difference with the 2.6.x and 3.x kernels in functionality?20:33
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cxl000slonopotamus The adaptation work is currentlt in https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Acxl000%3An810%3Atesting20:34
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slonopotamustarballs in svn!!! no wai20:45
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: please take that childish behaviour elsewhere20:46
slonopotamusStskeeps: putting tarballs into svn is childish.20:48
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smokuSage: not much difference really. it could be called 2.6.40, but Linus felt like it's to big and moved to using major.minor :)20:53
Sagesmoku: well I meant in N8x0 adaptation is there difference in functionality with those20:54
Sagei.e., 3.1 has working wifi and 2.6.x does't or something20:54
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smokuSage: oh.20:54
* smoku needs to focus ;-)20:55
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cxl000Sage 3.1 and 2.6 have the same functionality21:05
Sagecxl000: ok, so no reason why not to go with 3.1?21:05
Sagecxl000: planing to build n8x0 image myself as well21:05
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cxl000openwrt added the 3.1 patches shortly after I had started on 2.621:07
Sagecxl000: is wifi working btw?21:09
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cxl000Yes with manual bringup. See http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x021:10
cxl000I have not done any work on GUI integration. I am currently trying to sort out the RTC and getting WiFi MAC21:12
cxl000N800 needs work on touchscreen input and an onscreen keyboard to bring it to the same level.21:15
SageI can help with the packaging and image builds, I will try to get image running during this week so I can help a bit in other things as well. However time is an issue so no promisses :)21:15
cxl000There are some images on http://images.formeego.org/n810/21:17
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Sagecxl000: is it possible to flash that to n810 memory or do I need to use flasher always?21:20
Sagecxl000: you should not need --overlay-size-mb=64 option with mic-image-creator and you probably would want to use --save-kernel so you don't need to copy zimage manually21:22
Sagecxl000: actually --fstype=vfat is not needed either, and --format=raw --arch=armv6l --record-pkgs=name --save-kernel -pkgmgr=yum should go to .ks file21:23
Sagecxl000: see the first line of your .ks files21:23
jonnor_workcxl000, if you have trouble using Maliit for onscreen keyboard, do shout out21:24
Sagecxl000: your proabably should change partition layout a bit as well, for example increase the swap from 8M to 256M and remove /boot if the N8x0 does't need it.21:26
SageStskeeps: we should probably add some tool and devel groups to mer core package groups21:29
vgradehttps://www.tizen.org/sites/default/files/tizen_community_brazil_2011.pdf, Mer mention21:33
cxl000jonnor_work I have included in the image but not looked at how to hook it up.21:33
Stskeepsvgrade: :nod: nothing different from in prague21:34
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cxl000Sage I'm not going to get to making a new image for a few days so if you would like to try cleaning up the ks that would be good. I have just been adapting one that works for me,21:35
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cxl000off to the office now. bbiab21:35
Sagecxl000: I'll check what I can in next couple of days. Probably will have updated .ks file for you in a week or so.21:36
SageOnce I find the N810 again :P21:36
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SageStskeeps: some builds failed on armv622:22
Sagehttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repo_Mer_Core_armv6l=122:23
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venduhello22:39
vendui would have a _very_ fast implementation of malloc & friends to contribute - any developers around? :)22:40
phdeswervendu, would that not be more something to submit to glibc or so ?22:42
venduphdeswer, possibly :)22:43
vendubut my license, at the moment, is bsd :)22:43
venduphdeswer, a firefox dev might experiment with it later22:43
vendui've been suggested offering it to tizen :)22:43
vendui'm also working on a new kernel/os project22:44
venduincluding a new libc (setjmp + longjmp & alloca work on arm too) ;)22:44
phdeswerYou can try of course, but as it is a very low level thing I do not know if there is anybody who is going to patch it in the used libc.22:44
venduthe kernel has some early arm boot code as well :)22:44
venduphdeswer, which libc do you guys use?22:44
phdeswervendu, you could also let the Linaro guys know. They definitly would know how to use and test it.22:45
venduLinaro? :)22:45
phdeswerI think mer uses glibc, just as Meego before22:45
venduah i see :)22:45
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venduthe thing, under some heavy thread tests, runs faster than freebsd jemalloc :)22:45
phdeswervendu, http://www.linaro.org/22:46
venduwhich is supposedly the best allocator around22:46
venduthanks for the link, will check immediately :)22:46
phdeswerThey have been doing lots of work on toolchains, board support etc..22:46
phdeswerAnd there is #linaro also22:46
venducool :)22:46
venduphdeswer, my main platform is x86, but as i've been promised to be donated a raspi i figured arm would be cool to hack on :)22:47
venduand, indeed, arm assembly looks pretty nice to me :)22:47
venduphdeswer, http://vendu.tk/ is my page (includes a couple of draft books i'm writing) if you wanna check it out :)22:47
phdeswerSounds very ambitous :D22:49
vendu:D22:49
venduthe ia-32 kernel boots to a point, has early context switching, virtual memory works (but doesn't do on-disk paging/swapping yet as i don't have disk (controller) drivers) :)22:50
vendudrivers exist in different stages for ps/2 mice & keyboards as well as sb16 (and more early, ac97) audio interfaces :)22:50
venduoh, and vga (text) consoles22:51
venduphdeswer, if you like low-level development, seriously check out the bookie 'wizard code' there ;)22:51
phdeswerWell good luck! And I hope you can find some place to get your code used. I need to go to sleep.22:51
venduah okay :)22:51
phdeswerAnd I might check out some of those things!22:51
vendusleep tight & thanks :)22:52
phdeswervendu, np. And thanks for the interesting links.22:53
vendu:)22:53
vendunice that people like them ;)22:53
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