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| dcthang | morning Stskeeps, | 04:02 |
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| iekku | lbt, iekku but i have already user account there | 04:40 |
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| iekku | and morning to all :D | 04:53 |
| Stskeeps | zzzz | 05:00 |
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| phaeron | Sage: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Adding_repositories | 06:26 |
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| phaeron | Sage: also at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS#Setting_up_Build_Repositories | 06:29 |
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| w00t | lbt: w00t | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | morn w00t | 06:34 |
| phaeron | a review of that osc plugin would be nice :) | 06:35 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: muh | 06:37 |
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| phaeron | w00t: you had issues with having valid repos for submit requests , right ? | 06:56 |
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| w00t | phaeron: ish, yeah | 06:57 |
| w00t | hence home:w00t:ce being full of repos | 06:57 |
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| phaeron | w00t: if the above link was included in the error messages for further info, would you click on it and try out the osc plugin ? | 07:00 |
| w00t | let me look | 07:01 |
| w00t | that sounds pretty neat | 07:01 |
| phaeron | first I did it as a bash script , but as an osc plugin it is neater | 07:02 |
| w00t | yes | 07:03 |
| Sage | phaeron: well, that doesn't solve any of our devs questions | 07:03 |
| phaeron | :( | 07:03 |
| Sage | phaeron: Let me create you an example | 07:04 |
| phaeron | Sage: wasn't the issue that the error message is unclear ? | 07:04 |
| w00t | Sage: but it does provide a one-liner to solve it, doesn't it? | 07:04 |
| w00t | or am i misunderstanding | 07:04 |
| Sage | I need to check that addrepos | 07:05 |
| phaeron | please do | 07:07 |
| Sage | ah, I misunderstood a bit too early in the morning :D | 07:07 |
| * w00t injects coffee into Sage | 07:08 | |
| Sage | phaeron: it works. I have an improvement suggestion though | 07:08 |
| phaeron | Sage: sure :) | 07:09 |
| Sage | currently it creates repos named: CE_Apps_MTF_CE_MW_MTF_armv7hl and those should be really CE_Apps_MTF_armv7hl | 07:09 |
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| phaeron | mm let me look | 07:10 |
| Sage | phaeron: also the first initial SR makes the repos shown in oneliner, would be nice to have line breaks on the element starts or something at least | 07:10 |
| phaeron | yeah ElementTree doesn't have pretty print support. I was looking for some way to fix that | 07:11 |
| Sage | nice, another package failed with my patches to mer :/ | 07:11 |
| Sage | this cycle is so minimalistic that what ever you do you cause some chain reaction :P | 07:12 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: umm... can obs handle packages that compiles for both x86 and arm files? i.e., can I get cross compiler for arm to x86 build | 07:36 |
| Sage | and also what is the easiest way to get cross compiler for armv7l to f15? | 07:37 |
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| phaeron | Sage: refresh the script, added xmlindent | 07:50 |
| phaeron | I'll be away for some time | 07:50 |
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| marquiz_ | morn | 07:52 |
| Sage | marquiz_: morning | 07:53 |
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| javier | morning | 08:36 |
| javier | one question, isn't the gui installer based on anaconda? | 08:36 |
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| xruxa | Latest adaptation fails to install with zypper update http://pastie.org/2902333 | 09:17 |
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| w00t | erf | 09:19 |
| w00t | that doesn't look good | 09:19 |
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| Sage | pah, we really need to fix that packaging | 09:27 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt Stskeeps anyone tried out the QEMU I put into my home project ? | 09:47 |
| ScriptRipper | or should I do that ? | 09:47 |
| lbt | hey ScriptRipper... just got here | 09:51 |
| lbt | I've not tried it yet | 09:51 |
| lbt | I spent yesterday on infrastructure things | 09:52 |
| ScriptRipper | ok | 09:52 |
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| javier | I haven't received any mail from nemomobile's bugzilla | 09:56 |
| iekku | so, there must be something wrong with the mailing settings | 09:58 |
| iekku | and i think it will be the situation in the mer also | 09:58 |
| lbt | I thought Stskeeps checked email? It certainly sends out registration mail | 10:02 |
| lbt | mer bz anyhow... | 10:02 |
| lbt | iekku: what username do you want BTW? | 10:03 |
| iekku | lbt, as i said earlier, i have user account on mer | 10:03 |
| lbt | yeah - you need a username too | 10:04 |
| iekku | isn't there any? iekku | 10:04 |
| lbt | the bz db only has email | 10:04 |
| lbt | I thought it would be - but wanted to check | 10:04 |
| iekku | :) | 10:04 |
| iekku | sorry | 10:04 |
| lbt | I've been doing bz->ldap sync with bz as the master | 10:04 |
| lbt | so now what happens is new-register on bz asks for a username : https://bugs.merproject.org/createaccount.cgi | 10:05 |
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| iekku | :) | 10:08 |
| iekku | lbt, can you check what's wrong with the mail-sending? i don't have knowhow | 10:08 |
| lbt | looking | 10:09 |
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| iekku | thanks :) | 10:10 |
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| iekku | lbt, the setup is same in mer and nemo, so i think both are having same problem | 10:10 |
| lbt | OK - I turned on mail-debug in the params on mer bz | 10:10 |
| lbt | now we should be able to see the logs | 10:10 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt, is local build blocked onto Mer from Comm OBS ? | 10:13 |
| lbt | javier: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<javier@kde.org>: host postbox.kde.org [46.4.96.248]: 450 4.1.8 <bugzilla@nemomobile.org>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found | 10:13 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: not afaik - why? | 10:13 |
| ScriptRipper | because I get an error when doing local build here | 10:13 |
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| lbt | mmm | 10:14 |
| ScriptRipper | $ acl> osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com build --clean --no-verify Core_armv7hl armv8el *.spec | 10:14 |
| ScriptRipper | returns an error for me | 10:14 |
| lbt | what? | 10:14 |
| ScriptRipper | ERROR: Either wrong repo/arch as parameter or a parse error of .spec/.dsc/.kiwi file due to syntax error | 10:15 |
| javier | lbt: sounds like antispam filters | 10:15 |
| lbt | javier: it does - maybe the DNS thing | 10:15 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: osc repos | 10:15 |
| lbt | Core_armv7hl armv8el though? | 10:16 |
| lbt | oh, sorry, that's right | 10:16 |
| lbt | stupid naming | 10:16 |
| ScriptRipper | I took it from here: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS | 10:16 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_Detail ? | 10:16 |
| javier | lbt: i tried to visit nemomobile.org website yesterday and I couldn't. it seemed like a dns issue | 10:17 |
| lbt | ew | 10:17 |
| lbt | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/ is fine | 10:18 |
| lbt | so I'm guessing @ record is broken | 10:18 |
| javier | probably | 10:19 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ping ... | 10:19 |
| ScriptRipper | Mer.org remote project points to which OBS ? | 10:19 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: fakeobs | 10:19 |
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| ScriptRipper | yes, I need a DNS or IP addr | 10:20 |
| ScriptRipper | to put into mer.org project | 10:20 |
| lbt | to setup a local Mer mirror? | 10:20 |
| ScriptRipper | whatever | 10:20 |
| lbt | Mer doesn't use remote links | 10:20 |
| ScriptRipper | you pointed me to a wiki page | 10:20 |
| ScriptRipper | with title "local build" | 10:21 |
| lbt | ah | 10:21 |
| lbt | sorry | 10:21 |
| ScriptRipper | $ osc -A https://obs:444/ branch Mer.org:Core:i586 systemd | 10:21 |
| ScriptRipper | where obs:444 is my local OBS | 10:21 |
| ScriptRipper | I does not work for COBS | 10:22 |
| ScriptRipper | it does not | 10:22 |
| ScriptRipper | as stated above... | 10:22 |
| ScriptRipper | so I need some DNS or IP to put into the remote OBS project "Mer.org" | 10:22 |
| lbt | yeah .... gotcha | 10:22 |
| lbt | sec | 10:22 |
| ScriptRipper | in COBS it is "hidden" | 10:23 |
| ScriptRipper | $ osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com meta prj Mer:fake | 10:24 |
| ScriptRipper | shows | 10:24 |
| ScriptRipper | <remoteurl>http://shell:8001/public</remoteurl> | 10:24 |
| lbt | just looking | 10:26 |
| lbt | OK so there is no 'normal' OBS to remote link against and I can't find the docs in the new DNS layout and it's not in the wiki | 10:28 |
| lbt | so I'm looking | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/README.txt | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | (not really here) | 10:32 |
| lbt | we should delete that and put it in the wiki/git | 10:33 |
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| lbt | since it's wrong :) | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 10:34 |
| lbt | nm I got it | 10:35 |
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| lbt | ScriptRipper: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS | 10:41 |
| ScriptRipper | merproject.org:2080/project/packages?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase that is the OBS link, right ? | 10:41 |
| lbt | not reliably | 10:42 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: what are you trying to achieve? | 10:43 |
| lbt | a local OBS with a link to a remote Mer OBS ? | 10:43 |
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| ScriptRipper | I just want to do a local build | 10:50 |
| ScriptRipper | local build against COBS seems not to work for me | 10:50 |
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| ScriptRipper | see above | 10:50 |
| ScriptRipper | I checked out acl pkg | 10:51 |
| ScriptRipper | and wanted to local build against COBS | 10:51 |
| ScriptRipper | but I get an error | 10:51 |
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| ScriptRipper | $ acl> osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com build --clean --no-verify Core_armv7hl armv8el *.spec | 10:53 |
| ScriptRipper | that should work, shouldnt it ? | 10:53 |
| ScriptRipper | with a checked out acl | 10:53 |
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| vgrade | sudo osc build --no-verify Mer_Core_armv7hl armv8el | 11:00 |
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| ScriptRipper | https://api.pub.meego.com/source/Mer%3Afake%3ACore%3Ai586/_meta | 11:04 |
| ScriptRipper | replies 404 | 11:04 |
| ScriptRipper | that is the problem | 11:04 |
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| ScriptRipper | is fake OBS an old OBS ? | 11:16 |
| ScriptRipper | it cannot get the buildinfo from the remote OBS | 11:17 |
| ScriptRipper | it gets the _meta | 11:18 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt: ping | 11:18 |
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| lbt | ScriptRipper: sorry - burst pipe ... lots of water!!! | 11:50 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt: fixed it, its a bug in OBS code | 12:05 |
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| ScriptRipper | on the server side, e.g. my local OBS | 12:08 |
| ScriptRipper | now I check local build again | 12:08 |
| lbt | ScriptRipper: OK - sorry .... been a bit distracted (and wet) | 12:10 |
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| lbt | ty | 12:11 |
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| brunelli | Hello, everybody! | 12:51 |
| vgrade | brunelli, hi | 12:52 |
| brunelli | Whazzup?? | 12:53 |
| vgrade | nothing | 12:53 |
| brunelli | :P | 12:54 |
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| ScriptRipper | lbt I think what I see now is another bug in osc, but not fixed | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: pong | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: what kind of crazy things are you doing? (cross compile armv7l f15, x86 arm?) | 15:53 |
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| w00t | isn't pretty much everything we're doing crazy? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | point | 15:54 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: no idea why I pinged you :) | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nemomobile MX? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | / in A | 16:02 |
| lbt | that'll be one :) | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | can i point to phost1 somehow? | 16:02 |
| lbt | ideally we want to master the zone files | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | well, we're not right now, let me add it to the list | 16:03 |
| lbt | we need som public DNS secondaries that think that phost1 is the DNS | 16:03 |
| lbt | primary | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | now, can i just add phost1 as the IN A record/MX for nemomobile.org so bug mails go out OK? :P | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | and let's fix zonefiles in the weekend | 16:04 |
| lbt | yes | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:05 |
| lbt | I changed bug mails to nemomobile_bugzilla@merproject.org this morning | 16:05 |
| lbt | but once you fix MX we can revert | 16:05 |
| lbt | also A rec whilst you're at it | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | added for nemoproject.org | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | er | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | nemomobile | 16:06 |
| lbt | nemomobile.org. 43200 IN MX 10 phost1.merproject.org. | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: reevaluating ed change | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, your instructions check out for obs setup | 16:28 |
| marquiz | Stskeeps: the dualboot thingie is in the obs, in case some enterpreneur should want to test it ;) | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 16:30 |
| marquiz | i fixed few things yesterday and now it seems to work for me | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:30 |
| marquiz | no instructions in wiki, yet, though | 16:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ah, good - for 2.3? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: :nod: | 16:31 |
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| lbt | and I wanted that discrete from "now setup fakeobs" and "now link to fakeobs" | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: however, they break immensely on 12.1 repos | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:31 |
| lbt | ouch | 16:31 |
| lbt | we hear bad things about 12.1 | 16:31 |
| lbt | kernel, systemd etc | 16:32 |
| lbt | so we didn't deploy that on c.obs | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | perl-BSSolv wasn't published for 12.1 | 16:32 |
| lbt | btw should we be providing a public fakeobs? | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 16:32 |
| lbt | good - that's what I thought | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | for when i'm home i have some new things in mind for fakeobs | 16:33 |
| lbt | my rsync of mer is still running from this morning | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | uh, from shell? | 16:33 |
| lbt | no home | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:33 |
| slonopotamus | a fake public fakeobs would make sense though | 16:34 |
| lbt | slonopotamus: a real fake one? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm planning on moving away from the git-checked-out mer/project-core as a start | 16:35 |
| lbt | well, I'm still looking for a little time to move to pristine-tar based mer/* | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | that's further away in development for me, but let's add a bug for tracking it? | 16:36 |
| lbt | which will make much more sense - and has the ability to co-exist with genuine upstream git | 16:36 |
| lbt | yep | 16:36 |
| lbt | I tweaked the README.txt to reference the wiki too | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:37 |
| lbt | got it :http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:37 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: nah, just needed to compile one thing that contained both intel and arm code on f15 | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:40 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: did we have a page on where our infra is? eg email/wiki ? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | no | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | your mail to stefan sounds like a good starting point? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | mailing list's with smoku, wiki's with alterego | 16:41 |
| lbt | I'd like to pull the wiki into merproject | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, should be possible | 16:41 |
| lbt | we decided to make a discrete nemomobile instance | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:41 |
| lbt | which kinda makes sense - reflects the vendor divide | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | except i thought we were okay with basic incubation to organise around? | 16:42 |
| lbt | I can then ldap them both - ideally get alterego to admin them | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | just not extended services | 16:42 |
| lbt | we've got to balance available sysadmin time too | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:43 |
| lbt | so these things take very little physical resource - and with the offer from Stefan that's looking like a non-issue | 16:43 |
| lbt | making them discrete VMs permits moving them out | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | point | 16:44 |
| lbt | we need a policy that allows our userDB to be 'forked' | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:44 |
| lbt | and to my mind that is a rational position | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | define 'forked' | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | because my head says data protection laws | 16:45 |
| lbt | we duplicate the ldap DB | 16:45 |
| lbt | yep - hence policy | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think that's a good idea, but let's discuss when i'm not tired | 16:46 |
| lbt | sure | 16:46 |
| lbt | ah... I have an idea for that: "share my data with nemomobile.org" .... puts you in that 'group' and that group is then able to be forked | 16:47 |
| lbt | so you opt-in | 16:47 |
| lbt | it's also dynamic until the fork happens | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: so your localdep stuff works? | 16:51 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: it does in my limited local test. | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | on obs 2.3? | 16:55 |
| phaeron | yes | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'll test it when we've deployed 2.3 to the mer qa builder | 16:57 |
| phaeron | so cobs is not mer's obs ? | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | mer doesn't get built there | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's no 'the' obs, technically | 16:58 |
| phaeron | ok | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | but there's one that happens to all the ports and QA runs atm | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | to = to do | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm contemplating spending some time setting up OBS vm(s) | 17:13 |
| lbt | OK - first step may be to fix mk_vm | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:14 |
| lbt | currently it's on phost1 | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok, what's wrong with it? | 17:15 |
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| lbt | doesn't do 11.4 and it works 'locally' to the phost | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 17:15 |
| lbt | the way I ran it in meego you called it on zathras | 17:15 |
| lbt | zathras held the rootfs image | 17:15 |
| phaeron | http://pastie.org/2894717 new incarnation of the patch | 17:15 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: gnutls has an error in its packaging. Will sent fix soon | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 17:16 |
| lbt | and ssh'ed to the alocated phost to setup the VM | 17:16 |
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| lbt | otherwise keeping the rootfs on all the phosts got to be a mess | 17:16 |
| lbt | and the scripts drifted | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so not reasonable to set it up tonight i guess | 17:16 |
| lbt | etc | 17:16 |
| lbt | well, it's a good target and a reason to start | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | me or you? :P | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | (for mkvm part) | 17:18 |
| lbt | let me put the latest meego scripts onto zathras | 17:18 |
| lbt | meanwhile you look at them on phost1 | 17:18 |
| lbt | in /usr/local/bin | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:19 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: how did I do resubmit for the commit? | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution#Responding_to_reviews | 17:19 |
| Sage | yes, but how to get the commit back as I don't have the git tree on this comp | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: git clone it, git pull http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/gnutls refs/changes/53/153/1 | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | er, | 17:21 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_Detail | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | git pull ssh://stskeeps@review.merproject.org:29418/mer-core/gnutls refs/changes/53/153/1 | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | without stskeeps@, but with sage@ instead | 17:22 |
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| phaeron | hmm mangled | 17:22 |
| lbt | Sage: if you could update that page - I think you're doing the next step - review? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | why do we have two.. :P | 17:26 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: send a patch to gnutls. | 17:28 |
| Sage | fixes the cups compile | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, looked at mk_ | 17:35 |
| lbt | I just moved the meego one to our zathras | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:36 |
| slonopotamus | let's try here... | 17:36 |
| slonopotamus | can anyone explain how n800 tsc2301 interacts with DSP for sound playback? | 17:36 |
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| lbt | err .. missed... now I copied it | 17:37 |
| lbt | so mk_vm is from meego | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:39 |
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| lbt | need to essentially merge the mk_squeeze on phost1 into the mk_vm on zathras | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: in 2010 there was a guy called tmr1 from onego.ru who got DSP patches working on upstream kernel | 17:40 |
| lbt | then add an 11.4 variant | 17:40 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... i wonder how i missed that | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i have no idea where to find him now though | 17:42 |
| slonopotamus | i found http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Clarification so far that lists what exists for omap sound | 17:43 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps where do you have some the mips binaries so I can check my new QEMU pkg | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: home:Admin:test on monster.tspre.org:2080 (api 2081), still not fully bootstrapped | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | public api is open there | 17:57 |
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| slonopotamus | armv8el??? | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes, we're ahead of times | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | cool. can i order one? | 18:03 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: did you say already if need to avoid GPLv3 or not? sharutils in Mer at least is GPLv3 | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so, in installed image.. but my initial argument was that tizen needed to have code out for that to make sense | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | because it is a nightmare to maintain a non-gplv3 setup | 18:20 |
| Sage | sharutils isn't in installed image? | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | not afaik | 18:20 |
| Sage | ok, so I'll just update and anyway the license is the same still than before | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:21 |
| Sage | hmmp... I would really like to see why tmpwatch failed to build on gerrit | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | join the club | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | working hard to get off obs 2.1 nightmare | 18:25 |
| lbt | I'm thinking to extend the OBS DB to support some of this | 18:27 |
| phaeron | lbt: do you know of any test suite for ob | 18:30 |
| phaeron | sobs | 18:30 |
| phaeron | err | 18:30 |
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| lbt | yes | 18:33 |
| phaeron | without having to setup hudson :) | 18:34 |
| lbt | I keep meaning to investigate it | 18:34 |
| lbt | Adrian refers to it a lot | 18:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: I wanted to see if my patch is ok | 18:35 |
| lbt | I'd ask Adrian | 18:35 |
| phaeron | http://pastie.org/2894717 I am still unsure about line 56 | 18:35 |
| phaeron | ok I will | 18:35 |
| lbt | would be nice to know | 18:35 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: a bit more stuff to the machinery :) | 18:37 |
| phaeron | hmm I think 56 is wrong | 18:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: thanks :) | 18:38 |
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| Sage | ok, that was last one for today. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | quite good :) | 19:04 |
| Sage | they build but I have no idea what they do to the core. | 19:04 |
| Sage | that needs full build to figure out | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | only one way to figure out | 19:04 |
| Sage | in general those were straigh forward updates without patches mainly so shouldn't break stuff | 19:05 |
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| Sage | but you never know before you try | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | how many of those were yamlified? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | that's also another thing, if we see a package that's not yaml-ified, to attempt that | 19:06 |
| Sage | I added .yaml to couple | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:07 |
| Sage | but most that are not using yaml are a bit complex | 19:07 |
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| Sage | anyway I prefer yaml and will change when ever I see fit | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 19:08 |
| Sage | one challenge would be updating some of Xorg packages :P | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of them are .yaml, at least | 19:11 |
| Sage | yes, but there is a lot of them and there is a lot of deps between :/ | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, let's wait with that until we have wait-for | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:12 |
| slonopotamus | do you know how much time i spend to update Xorg for gentoo-on-n8x0? correct answer is: NONE. it's all is handled in main gentoo repo :P | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes, because some people do it there | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you're enjoying what mer on n8x0 would enjoy, someone updating the core | 19:13 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: and i don't have any valid reason not to depend on their work | 19:13 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: that's why i think your time spent on qt/xorg is uselessly spent time. you could just take packages already created in distros with compatible packaging and spend ZERO time on their maintainance. | 19:15 |
| w00t | slonopotamus: except (at least in the case of Qt), all the other existing distros are absolutely useless at getting them to work at top performance on the desired hardware :) | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: are you ever expecting to be a mer contributor? | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | or even user | 19:18 |
| slonopotamus | w00t: in that case i think it is acceptable to copy a package and add required patches. but this patched package should live for a very short period of time until those patches are applied upstream. that's what happens currently with my patches to openwrt kernel. i write a new patch, commit it locally and notify openwrt about it. as soon as they also apply it, i drop my version and revert to using theirs one. typical lifetime of my patched versions is ~2 | 19:19 |
| slonopotamus | days. | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i'm assuming you're not, so do me a favour and give it a rest with the negative energy, we're doing these things for a reason because what exists doesn't fill the gaps we see | 19:21 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: i was thinking very strongly about that in mer 1.0 days, but you don't target end-users currently, so i can't be a user. and since i can't be a user, i don't see any motivation to be a developer. | 19:21 |
| slonopotamus | nothing negative, i just want to understand your way of thinking (and fail for several years already) | 19:22 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: though i might work on distro-independent areas (like modern kernel for n8x0). reviving diablo hildon is another target i'm very interested in. | 19:23 |
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| slonopotamus | what's current mer attitude toward n8x0 btw? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | mer doesn't contain any hardware adaptations or UIs (less politics). however, we build mer core for armv6. effort exists by cxl000 | 19:26 |
| KaziKluBey | Out of curiosity. Do you guys think it would be possible to put mer+nemo on a htc hd2? It seems to be able to run almost anything. Thinking of buying a used one for about 80$ | 19:27 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: any links to cxl000 efforts? | 19:27 |
| slonopotamus | mer doesn't contain any hardware adaptations or UIs << we call that stage3 here. | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | KaziKluBey: maybe not nemo, needs good and working gles drivers | 19:29 |
| smoku | kaziKluBey: you should be able to run the same stuff as n8x0, though | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: anyway, here's two: | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | 1) Currently existing distributions are nightmares to develop products with/productise and use within typical professional product software programs. In Mer, we take a strong stance to produce and deliver the core in such a way that we give the tools and the base software for people to use to make products and include it in professional | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | 2) Currently existing distributions are often targetted towards desktop/server usages and as such the standard packaging is riddled with dependancies that has no place on a mobile device. Often these dependancies cause wakeups and other ways drag battery, memory/disk footprint etc. Mer is built from bottom up towards a mobile setting in mind. | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | it in professional development settings, that is | 19:30 |
| smoku | kaziKluBey: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbE4Ply5Cbs | 19:31 |
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| KaziKluBey | Stskeeps,smoku: Ok, thanks. There´s hope then :) | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | cxl000: where are your patches? :P | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1ZlXsmfISM haha, his LED is always on. i fixed that yesterday | 19:34 |
| slonopotamus | and he definitely has Y axis inverted :-/ | 19:35 |
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| Sage | hmmp.. I think I need to look my N810 somewhere | 19:37 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: did someone get the GLESv1 working on N8x0 btw? | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | don't bother with it, the open driver is a nightmare | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: you don't happen to have something like a omap2 dev board do you? | 19:43 |
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| dsp_ | to whoever cares: merproject.org uses both `optimized' and `optimised' within one sentence. otherwise, nice one. | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 19:52 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: armv6l is compiling with armv7el in obs? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:04 |
| Sage | ah | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | armv7el is just a name anyway | 20:04 |
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| Sage | cxl000: I added armv6l to CE:Utils and CE:MW:Shared so you could remove the duplicated packages from your home projects. | 20:12 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: omap2 is the only one we did not touch | 20:15 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: but i am in dallas next week, i will ask | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:16 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: can you write a wiki page : "WTF is going on with all the ARM names in Mer" | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: added to tod | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | o | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: the reason i'm asking is that the supposed gles drivers for n8x0 was reported to work on non-n8x0 omap2 hw, so i'm pondering if i can verify it somehow | 20:16 |
| * lbt replying to swerden :) | 20:16 | |
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| _av500_ | Stskeeps: what non n800 omap2 hw is there? | 20:28 |
| cxl000 | Thanks Sage. I'll clean up today. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: i think there's some evm or some developer kit.. sec | 20:28 |
| _av500_ | Stskeeps: yes of course | 20:30 |
| _av500_ | but who is going to run mer on that? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: well, this was mainly about figuring out what breaks n8x0 drivers by having a working comparison :) | 20:31 |
| _av500_ | ah | 20:31 |
| Sage | cxl000: I'm going to setup a CE:Adaptation:N8x0 as well | 20:31 |
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| Sage | cxl000: what is the difference with the 2.6.x and 3.x kernels in functionality? | 20:33 |
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| cxl000 | slonopotamus The adaptation work is currentlt in https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Acxl000%3An810%3Atesting | 20:34 |
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| slonopotamus | tarballs in svn!!! no wai | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: please take that childish behaviour elsewhere | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: putting tarballs into svn is childish. | 20:48 |
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| smoku | Sage: not much difference really. it could be called 2.6.40, but Linus felt like it's to big and moved to using major.minor :) | 20:53 |
| Sage | smoku: well I meant in N8x0 adaptation is there difference in functionality with those | 20:54 |
| Sage | i.e., 3.1 has working wifi and 2.6.x does't or something | 20:54 |
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| smoku | Sage: oh. | 20:54 |
| * smoku needs to focus ;-) | 20:55 | |
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| cxl000 | Sage 3.1 and 2.6 have the same functionality | 21:05 |
| Sage | cxl000: ok, so no reason why not to go with 3.1? | 21:05 |
| Sage | cxl000: planing to build n8x0 image myself as well | 21:05 |
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| cxl000 | openwrt added the 3.1 patches shortly after I had started on 2.6 | 21:07 |
| Sage | cxl000: is wifi working btw? | 21:09 |
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| cxl000 | Yes with manual bringup. See http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 21:10 |
| cxl000 | I have not done any work on GUI integration. I am currently trying to sort out the RTC and getting WiFi MAC | 21:12 |
| cxl000 | N800 needs work on touchscreen input and an onscreen keyboard to bring it to the same level. | 21:15 |
| Sage | I can help with the packaging and image builds, I will try to get image running during this week so I can help a bit in other things as well. However time is an issue so no promisses :) | 21:15 |
| cxl000 | There are some images on http://images.formeego.org/n810/ | 21:17 |
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| Sage | cxl000: is it possible to flash that to n810 memory or do I need to use flasher always? | 21:20 |
| Sage | cxl000: you should not need --overlay-size-mb=64 option with mic-image-creator and you probably would want to use --save-kernel so you don't need to copy zimage manually | 21:22 |
| Sage | cxl000: actually --fstype=vfat is not needed either, and --format=raw --arch=armv6l --record-pkgs=name --save-kernel -pkgmgr=yum should go to .ks file | 21:23 |
| Sage | cxl000: see the first line of your .ks files | 21:23 |
| jonnor_work | cxl000, if you have trouble using Maliit for onscreen keyboard, do shout out | 21:24 |
| Sage | cxl000: your proabably should change partition layout a bit as well, for example increase the swap from 8M to 256M and remove /boot if the N8x0 does't need it. | 21:26 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: we should probably add some tool and devel groups to mer core package groups | 21:29 |
| vgrade | https://www.tizen.org/sites/default/files/tizen_community_brazil_2011.pdf, Mer mention | 21:33 |
| cxl000 | jonnor_work I have included in the image but not looked at how to hook it up. | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: :nod: nothing different from in prague | 21:34 |
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| cxl000 | Sage I'm not going to get to making a new image for a few days so if you would like to try cleaning up the ks that would be good. I have just been adapting one that works for me, | 21:35 |
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| cxl000 | off to the office now. bbiab | 21:35 |
| Sage | cxl000: I'll check what I can in next couple of days. Probably will have updated .ks file for you in a week or so. | 21:36 |
| Sage | Once I find the N810 again :P | 21:36 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: some builds failed on armv6 | 22:22 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repo_Mer_Core_armv6l=1 | 22:23 |
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| vendu | hello | 22:39 |
| vendu | i would have a _very_ fast implementation of malloc & friends to contribute - any developers around? :) | 22:40 |
| phdeswer | vendu, would that not be more something to submit to glibc or so ? | 22:42 |
| vendu | phdeswer, possibly :) | 22:43 |
| vendu | but my license, at the moment, is bsd :) | 22:43 |
| vendu | phdeswer, a firefox dev might experiment with it later | 22:43 |
| vendu | i've been suggested offering it to tizen :) | 22:43 |
| vendu | i'm also working on a new kernel/os project | 22:44 |
| vendu | including a new libc (setjmp + longjmp & alloca work on arm too) ;) | 22:44 |
| phdeswer | You can try of course, but as it is a very low level thing I do not know if there is anybody who is going to patch it in the used libc. | 22:44 |
| vendu | the kernel has some early arm boot code as well :) | 22:44 |
| vendu | phdeswer, which libc do you guys use? | 22:44 |
| phdeswer | vendu, you could also let the Linaro guys know. They definitly would know how to use and test it. | 22:45 |
| vendu | Linaro? :) | 22:45 |
| phdeswer | I think mer uses glibc, just as Meego before | 22:45 |
| vendu | ah i see :) | 22:45 |
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| vendu | the thing, under some heavy thread tests, runs faster than freebsd jemalloc :) | 22:45 |
| phdeswer | vendu, http://www.linaro.org/ | 22:46 |
| vendu | which is supposedly the best allocator around | 22:46 |
| vendu | thanks for the link, will check immediately :) | 22:46 |
| phdeswer | They have been doing lots of work on toolchains, board support etc.. | 22:46 |
| phdeswer | And there is #linaro also | 22:46 |
| vendu | cool :) | 22:46 |
| vendu | phdeswer, my main platform is x86, but as i've been promised to be donated a raspi i figured arm would be cool to hack on :) | 22:47 |
| vendu | and, indeed, arm assembly looks pretty nice to me :) | 22:47 |
| vendu | phdeswer, http://vendu.tk/ is my page (includes a couple of draft books i'm writing) if you wanna check it out :) | 22:47 |
| phdeswer | Sounds very ambitous :D | 22:49 |
| vendu | :D | 22:49 |
| vendu | the ia-32 kernel boots to a point, has early context switching, virtual memory works (but doesn't do on-disk paging/swapping yet as i don't have disk (controller) drivers) :) | 22:50 |
| vendu | drivers exist in different stages for ps/2 mice & keyboards as well as sb16 (and more early, ac97) audio interfaces :) | 22:50 |
| vendu | oh, and vga (text) consoles | 22:51 |
| vendu | phdeswer, if you like low-level development, seriously check out the bookie 'wizard code' there ;) | 22:51 |
| phdeswer | Well good luck! And I hope you can find some place to get your code used. I need to go to sleep. | 22:51 |
| vendu | ah okay :) | 22:51 |
| phdeswer | And I might check out some of those things! | 22:51 |
| vendu | sleep tight & thanks :) | 22:52 |
| phdeswer | vendu, np. And thanks for the interesting links. | 22:53 |
| vendu | :) | 22:53 |
| vendu | nice that people like them ;) | 22:53 |
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