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Stskeeps | morn | 06:21 |
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wmarone_ | Stskeeps: is there a new location for the mer gitweb? | 06:35 |
Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 06:36 |
Stskeeps | where did we forget to edit the link? | 06:36 |
wmarone_ | let me find it | 06:37 |
wmarone_ | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | 06:37 |
wmarone_ | first link | 06:37 |
* Stskeeps fixes | 06:38 | |
Stskeeps | we're basically moving services off my machine, setting things up properly etc, so there's some fallout like that :) | 06:39 |
wmarone_ | ahh | 06:39 |
Stskeeps | got a proper professional IT infrastructure now, so | 06:40 |
wmarone_ | makes sense to use it :) | 06:40 |
Stskeeps | _Thomas: slashdot comments does make one quite good suggestion: using your stick as a replacement for android emulator | 06:49 |
Stskeeps | as the android emulator is slow like hell | 06:50 |
wmarone_ | Stskeeps: are the n950 adaptation patches available in a git repo? I've found the srpms up on OBS, but I'm guessing that's a product of some other process? | 06:52 |
Stskeeps | wmarone_: got a build.pub.meego.com account_ | 06:53 |
Stskeeps | ? | 06:53 |
wmarone_ | not at this time | 06:54 |
Stskeeps | ok, prod lbt / x-fade for one, but you can fetch files anyway in https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-n950&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN950-N9 | 06:54 |
Stskeeps | wire up accept4, cgroup* is the important ones i think | 06:54 |
wmarone_ | ok | 06:55 |
Stskeeps | and then some kernel config settings | 06:55 |
* Stskeeps kicks off next mer release | 07:05 | |
cxl00Op | morning | 07:09 |
Stskeeps | morn | 07:10 |
cxl00Op | Do you know where wifi mac address is hiding on the n810? | 07:12 |
Stskeeps | it's in the CAL | 07:15 |
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cxl00Op | mmm. I have not been able to find a matching sequence to my mac. maybe it store as an offset. | 07:17 |
Stskeeps | i thought slono made a 'open' wlan-cal | 07:17 |
cxl00Op | He drops in to briefly for me to catch | 07:19 |
Stskeeps | https://github.com/slonopotamus/opendsme/blob/master/src/open-wlan-cal.c | 07:20 |
cxl00Op | thanks google has found it | 07:20 |
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wmarone_ | hmm | 07:22 |
wmarone_ | the 2.6.32.9 for this thing diverges in ways I don't like | 07:22 |
wmarone_ | some of the cgroup patches are looking for things that don't exist in it... | 07:23 |
wmarone_ | maybe I'm applying in the wrong order | 07:23 |
wmarone_ | hm | 07:24 |
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wmarone_ | there are prior patches I am missing, it seems | 07:51 |
Stskeeps | what version are you on exactly? | 07:52 |
wmarone_ | 2.6.32.9, after passing through Google and B&N's hands | 07:52 |
Stskeeps | ok | 07:53 |
Stskeeps | i think the important thing first is trying a bootup with the proper kernel configs | 07:53 |
Stskeeps | sec | 07:53 |
Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#MeeGo_Kernel_Options , CONFIG_AUTOFS4=y, DEVTMPFS, CGROUPS, SYSVIPC is important | 07:54 |
wmarone_ | ok | 07:55 |
Stskeeps | you have fbcon i assume? | 07:55 |
Sage | morning | 07:55 |
wmarone_ | should, if not I can turn it on | 07:56 |
Stskeeps | morn sage | 07:56 |
wmarone_ | need to clean up a bit first | 07:56 |
Stskeeps | well, fbcon or serial port is useful :) | 07:56 |
* Sage ponders why his Xorg on panda segfaults now | 07:56 | |
Stskeeps | setuid? | 07:56 |
Sage | I have it now yes | 07:56 |
Stskeeps | Sage: http://pastie.org/pastes/2887234/text will be next Mer release | 07:57 |
Sage | ok | 07:59 |
Stskeeps | i'll try to get the imncoming patches tested as soon as i can | 08:00 |
Sage | I have some updates on my TODO but haven't had time to do those yet. | 08:01 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:01 |
Sage | so much stuff to do and well most of those are not fixes for breaks just updates | 08:02 |
Stskeeps | yeah, i have so many items i'm starting to do actual day plans :P | 08:02 |
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dm8tbr | Sage: I wonder if your panda adaptation could help arc_mat, he's been fighting with pvr and xorg for a couple of days now | 08:04 |
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Sage | dm8tbr: well I had working thing but shomehow it broke :) | 08:08 |
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Sage | \o/ finally I'm again in place where I have network and ssh on panda with new image :D | 08:14 |
* Sage is trying to rebuild the image he had so it can be published :D | 08:14 | |
Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2887280 <- any ideas? | 08:17 |
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Sage | I'm pondering if I'm missing some xorg package | 08:18 |
Stskeeps | xorg.0.log is probably beter | 08:18 |
Sage | http://pastie.org/2887288 | 08:19 |
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phaeron | Sage: can you fire some test promotions , just did the upgrade | 08:20 |
Sage | http://pastie.org/2887284 <- could someone do the same on n900 or n950? | 08:20 |
Stskeeps | 307.224] PVR:(Error): PVRSRVOpenDCDevice: Error - 138 returned [95, /bridged_pvr_dc_glue | 08:20 |
Sage | ah, btw, I don't have display connected maybe that | 08:20 |
* Sage moves his panda | 08:21 | |
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Stskeeps | Sage: i think i saw same error from arc_mat|tp actually | 08:23 |
Stskeeps | the OpenDCDevice | 08:23 |
Sage | \o/ | 08:24 |
Sage | it was jut that I didn't have hdmi connected to display | 08:24 |
Stskeeps | interesting | 08:24 |
Stskeeps | arc_mat|tp: you had 307.224] PVR:(Error): PVRSRVOpenDCDevice: Error - 138 returned [95, /bridged_pvr_dc_glue | 08:24 |
Stskeeps | too? | 08:24 |
dm8tbr | and that is also the main difference between the panda and an archos gen9 device. on a gen9 you usually don't have hdmi connected but want to use the internal display | 08:25 |
Sage | ok, so only problem is the x-loader and then I would have image build properly | 08:25 |
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Sage | and again the picture in my tv isn't properly aligned | 08:29 |
Sage | abour 4 inches on the left over the screen | 08:29 |
Sage | Stskeeps: does this look about right https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=x-loader-compile.patch&package=x-loader-omap4panda&project=home%3Asage%3AMer%3AAdaptation%3Apandaboard&srcmd5=f081f5407f208f49a01eae43a34f8848 | 08:30 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:31 |
Stskeeps | it does | 08:31 |
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Sage | what about this https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=eabi-compat.patch&package=x-loader-omap4panda&project=home%3Asage%3AMer%3AAdaptation%3Apandaboard&srcmd5=f081f5407f208f49a01eae43a34f8848 :) | 08:33 |
Stskeeps | you will go to hell, i think | 08:33 |
Sage | :P | 08:34 |
Sage | u-boot has similar hack | 08:34 |
Stskeeps | scary | 08:34 |
Sage | the thing is that this x-loader I have should work but it doesn't compile without those 2 patches | 08:36 |
cxl00Op | wmarone_ ou will akso want TMPFS_ACL and FANOTIFY | 08:39 |
* _av500_ waves from berlin | 08:40 | |
Stskeeps | how's berlin this morning? | 08:43 |
_av500_ | inside the icc, balmy | 08:44 |
dm8tbr | what's in the ICC this weekend? | 08:49 |
dm8tbr | ah catholic schoolgirl ball ;) | 08:50 |
_av500_ | right | 08:51 |
_av500_ | actually baidu fanclub meetink | 08:51 |
dm8tbr | yeah, that too | 08:51 |
dm8tbr | http://www.google.com/events/developerday/2011/berlin/ and http://www.ksliebfrauen.de/index.php?option=com_events&task=view_detail&Itemid=&agid=337&year=2011&month=11&day=19 | 08:52 |
Sage | ok, x-loader still stops to "reading bootsector" thing | 09:06 |
_av500_ | sector 63 bug | 09:06 |
Sage | _av500_: where was the patch for that | 09:07 |
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Sage | apparently it is not on the tree I'm using | 09:07 |
Sage | http://gitorious.org/x-loader/x-loader | 09:07 |
_av500_ | grep the code for 63 | 09:07 |
_av500_ | im on dead slow 1g atm | 09:08 |
Sage | http://pastie.org/2887421 | 09:09 |
Sage | I would say that I have the patch as there doesn't seem to be reference to that | 09:09 |
_av500_ | yeah you should | 09:10 |
Sage | other ideas? | 09:10 |
Sage | is there a debug option in x-loader that could be compiled in? | 09:11 |
_av500_ | printf? | 09:11 |
Sage | :P | 09:11 |
dm8tbr | _av500_: 1G, as in C-netz resurrected and 1k2 dialup? ;) | 09:12 |
_av500_ | i guess catholic school girls are not to be tempted by looking at j.bieber pics... | 09:15 |
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Sage | LOL | 09:26 |
Sage | enabled -DDEBUG option for x-loader and now it boots :D | 09:26 |
Stskeeps | excellent | 09:27 |
Stskeeps | reverse heisenbugs++ | 09:27 |
Sage | Ok, building yet another image to test that everything works out of the box now | 09:28 |
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Stskeeps | i'm working on BOSS a bit/gerrit process, so we can get proper build logs out | 09:30 |
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_Thomas | Stskeeps: We're planning to make that bridge so you can use the stick instead of the android emulator, yes | 09:41 |
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Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:44 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: you might know.. how do i get what is in the mouseover in "unresolvable" via osc? | 10:13 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: there's a function in python-buildservice | 10:22 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: can you give me a url to one , so I can show you | 10:22 |
Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=gtk-lucid&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan i guess | 10:23 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2887613 | 10:30 |
Stskeeps | ah, clever | 10:30 |
* Stskeeps bookmarks | 10:30 | |
phaeron | Stskeeps: osc.core.get_package_results if you don't want to depend on python-buildservice | 10:31 |
Sage | Stskeeps: there isn't git in mer-core? | 10:44 |
Stskeeps | not atm | 10:44 |
phaeron | Sage: still busy ? | 10:44 |
Sage | phaeron: a bit yes, why? | 10:45 |
phaeron | just wanted a smoke test after the process/participants upgrade | 10:45 |
Sage | I can do couple of SR's to PandaBoard if you want | 10:46 |
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phaeron | thanks | 10:50 |
Sage | SR 3152 | 10:51 |
Sage | there is problems in those most probably though | 10:51 |
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phaeron | and I see a problem in one of the participants too | 10:52 |
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phaeron | Sage: ok fixed the participants | 11:05 |
Sage | ok, will fix the problems and resubmit | 11:12 |
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lbt | morning | 11:22 |
lbt | wmarone_: ping | 11:23 |
Sage | lbt: phosts gone again | 11:34 |
lbt | I just saw | 11:35 |
lbt | Adam found some errors on the machines last night | 11:35 |
lbt | he brought 3 6 8 back | 11:35 |
lbt | but clearly something has gone wrong | 11:35 |
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lbt | mmm looks like my fault - 02 is oom | 11:36 |
lbt | which I'm guessing is due to me changing die("umount tmpfs failed: $!\n"); to warn("umount tmpfs failed: $!\n"); | 11:37 |
lbt | tmpfs is definitely flakey | 11:37 |
Stskeeps | you're actually unmounting it? | 11:38 |
Stskeeps | why? | 11:38 |
Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
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Sage | phaeron: 3153 | 11:42 |
lbt | standard bs_worker code | 11:42 |
lbt | in 2.3 | 11:42 |
phaeron | Sage: at review | 11:43 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: otherwise you could probably leave things lying around for the next build | 11:43 |
lbt | eg change a file in /etc that's not overridden as it's a config file ? | 11:44 |
Sage | phaeron: :nod: accepting review lets see how rest goes | 11:45 |
Sage | phaeron: No permission on review by user bossbot | 11:45 |
Sage | phaeron: can't review the thing | 11:45 |
Stskeeps | lbt: uh.. your tmpfs is actually inside the kvms or what are you doing | 11:49 |
Sage | hmmp | 11:50 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: no, it's outside. I'm using the OBS config TMPFS="y" | 11:51 |
lbt | which is clearly a bit buggy | 11:51 |
Stskeeps | lbt: oh, that's a new feature? | 11:51 |
lbt | yes | 11:51 |
lbt | I saw it in the code which is why I waited for 2.3 to enable it | 11:51 |
Stskeeps | i personally have kvm's in sparse image files in a tmpfs | 11:51 |
lbt | tmpfs only allocates on use AFAIK ... so does the sparse image help? | 11:52 |
Stskeeps | and razing the image files each time + mkfs | 11:52 |
lbt | OK | 11:52 |
lbt | or .... mkfs tmpfs each time :) | 11:53 |
lbt | which should be 100% fine! | 11:53 |
lbt | I am suspecting something as dim as /etc/mtab != /proc/mounts | 11:53 |
lbt | I dropped some debug code in the worker and "mount" shows no tmpfs mounted. I really will have to look closer but it makes sense to fix it upstream | 11:55 |
lbt | Sage: OK - some workers back but vanishing instances again :( | 11:57 |
lbt | here's the crash in a dead worker instance : http://pastie.org/2887884 | 11:59 |
lbt | here's the debug addition : http://pastie.org/2887894 | 12:00 |
lbt | ie it runs 'mount' before issuing the umount | 12:00 |
* Stskeeps doesn't know | 12:04 | |
phaeron | Sage: hmmf | 12:05 |
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Stskeeps | lbt, phaeron: i don't suppose ruote support instrumentation - ie, report metadata about process | 12:14 |
Stskeeps | like "moved to expression X at timestamp Y" | 12:15 |
Stskeeps | and logging this elsewhere | 12:15 |
phaeron | there is a trace participant that can be enabled in the engine | 12:15 |
phaeron | Sage: can you decline that request and make another one ? sorry | 12:15 |
lbt | look for "engine noisy" | 12:15 |
lbt | then /etc/init.d/boss log | 12:16 |
Stskeeps | lbt: my motivation is to graph our actual use of infrastructure, so we can see graphically there's a fast feedback to merge requests | 12:16 |
lbt | you will need to edit the boss.rb | 12:16 |
lbt | oh | 12:16 |
phaeron | yeah the trace participant | 12:16 |
lbt | yes | 12:16 |
Stskeeps | lbt: ie, "we have reduced our median time to QA a request to 4 hours from 3 days.." | 12:17 |
lbt | I'd be more tempted to simply make an auditing participant for now | 12:17 |
Sage | phaeron: sure a moment | 12:18 |
lbt | right now cobs seems dead :) | 12:18 |
lbt | ah ... the OBS_Light virus | 12:19 |
Sage | phaeron: 3155 | 12:20 |
* phaeron throws a fit | 12:21 | |
Sage | I was able to accept review or at least I think so | 12:22 |
phaeron | yeah was referring to another process | 12:22 |
phaeron | Sage: yes , now it is trying to setup build trial | 12:24 |
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Foxi352 | Hi floks. Googled a lot for Maemo5 on N800 i found Mer project. I understand that Mer was there, disappeared and now it back. Old project worked on N800, an "new" Mer Project is >= N900 only. Is that correct ? | 12:50 |
ali1234 | no | 12:53 |
phaeron | Sage: I think all is ok now | 12:53 |
lbt | Foxi352: Mer is aimed at a wide variety of devices | 12:53 |
lbt | Foxi352: but Mer itself is quite minimal - no apps | 12:54 |
lbt | you probably want the Nemo distro (which doesn't hit the N800 yet AFAIK) | 12:54 |
Foxi352 | It's based on Meego ? | 12:54 |
lbt | it grew out of MeeGo's ashes :) | 12:54 |
lbt | closer to MeeGo than Maemo | 12:55 |
Foxi352 | Like Phoenix :-) | 12:55 |
lbt | indeed | 12:55 |
Foxi352 | ok, that means if course apps compiled for OS2008 won't run on Mer .. | 12:56 |
lbt | yes | 12:56 |
Stskeeps | Foxi352: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 12:56 |
Foxi352 | hmm, that pen up / down inversed with pointer up / down looks funny, but not very usable ;-) | 12:57 |
lbt | Stskeeps: and without powerpvr (or llvm?) ... nemo is going to be hard | 12:57 |
Stskeeps | lbt: i'm kinda curious about llvmpipe | 12:59 |
lbt | as per the gnome shell accel mentioned in phoronix? | 13:00 |
phaeron | Sage: any projects where you want to handle a package named "package-groups" ? | 13:00 |
lbt | phaeron: you just know that's the wrong solution then :) | 13:00 |
phaeron | lbt: name based ? | 13:01 |
lbt | Stskeeps: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gallium3d_llvmpipe&num=1 ? | 13:01 |
phaeron | lbt: yes enhancement is being implemented based on Provides: | 13:01 |
Sage | phaeron: Didn't have time to setup any those yet. But pretty much all projects under CE should handle those | 13:01 |
phaeron | Sage: ok I guess we revisit this once Provides: is supported so we don't do the work twice | 13:02 |
Stskeeps | lbt: yes | 13:03 |
lbt | OK - I've lost 3 physical workers which I need to get console to to reboot - but the rest should be OK now | 13:04 |
lbt | luckily Ronan is compiling obslight for 11.10 and 11.10 just crashes again and again and again - so it was exposing a race on umount tmpfs | 13:05 |
phaeron | lbt: do we have kiwi support in cobs ? | 13:05 |
lbt | about 1 build in 10 would fail to umount and either kill the worker instance or, with my help, oom the phost to death | 13:06 |
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lbt | phaeron: I haven't done anything to disable it but I think you need config permission | 13:06 |
lbt | I wonder if mic3 will use kiwi | 13:06 |
phaeron | the version after mic2 is mic | 13:07 |
phaeron | :D | 13:07 |
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phaeron | lbt: I just wanted to build the mint appliance somewhere other than localhost | 13:10 |
phaeron | the light obslight :D | 13:10 |
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ScriptRipper | Stskeeps lbt: have dropped a version of QEMU into comm OBS | 13:17 |
ScriptRipper | in my home | 13:17 |
ScriptRipper | still working on it, seems some patches did not apply | 13:18 |
ScriptRipper | next drop will work | 13:18 |
Stskeeps | cool | 13:18 |
lbt | ScriptRipper: thanks | 13:18 |
ScriptRipper | its QEMU 1.0 rc 2 based | 13:19 |
ScriptRipper | Stskeeps lbt: be carful before we supply it, the argv 0 fix wrapper needs some caution in build script | 13:20 |
ScriptRipper | it needs new binfmt handler init | 13:20 |
ScriptRipper | e.g. change | 13:21 |
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Stskeeps | lbt, phaeron, Sage: https://review.merproject.org/143 , bottom comment :) | 13:49 |
lbt | *g* | 13:50 |
Stskeeps | some of the logs are 404 but i think it's related to OBS overload | 13:52 |
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Stskeeps | ...... | 14:01 |
Stskeeps | fucking obs | 14:01 |
Stskeeps | remotebuildlog against a unmodified localdep package == 404 | 14:02 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: where is mer's spectacle | 14:46 |
Stskeeps | we don't have it packaged atm i think | 14:47 |
Stskeeps | i just use git | 14:47 |
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lbt | ok | 14:48 |
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Stskeeps | i'm intentionally not taking the utils side of things on my shoulders, so if anyone wants to start organising a utils obs project.. | 14:50 |
lbt | which? sages | 14:50 |
Stskeeps | well, mer:tools or something | 14:50 |
lbt | I meant which git repo | 14:50 |
Stskeeps | oh, err | 14:51 |
Stskeeps | not sure, i use mainline | 14:51 |
lbt | I'm doing a tools wiki page | 14:51 |
lbt | because every time I try to contribute I fall over something not working right | 14:51 |
lbt | I am looking at a super complex package right now | 14:52 |
lbt | .... ce-backgrounds | 14:52 |
lbt | and ... epic fail | 14:52 |
lbt | packaged spectacle is older than in obs | 14:52 |
lbt | so it doesn't want to work | 14:52 |
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Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:53 |
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lbt | I'm going to make a /mer directory structure too ... we can assume contributors have /mer pointing to the right place | 14:55 |
lbt | not the LFS.... the MFS | 14:56 |
Stskeeps | /mer ? | 14:57 |
* Stskeeps doesn't understand | 14:57 | |
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lbt | yeah ... I'm fed up of writing examples and documents that have some long winded "go to the root of your tools area" | 14:57 |
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lbt | cd /mer | 14:58 |
xruxa | join #nemomobile | 14:58 |
lbt | cd /mer/tools/spectacle | 14:58 |
lbt | cd /mer/tools/fakeobs | 14:58 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: hmm | 14:58 |
Stskeeps | :P | 14:58 |
Stskeeps | lbt: not sure i like, polluting root is a bad thing | 14:58 |
lbt | *cough* /obs | 14:58 |
Stskeeps | i don't agree with that either | 14:59 |
Stskeeps | :P | 14:59 |
lbt | oh, I thought you did that in your 10 easy steps page? | 14:59 |
xruxa | whats up with that weekend work? | 14:59 |
Stskeeps | xruxa: this is unpaid | 14:59 |
Stskeeps | :P | 14:59 |
lbt | xruxa: who's working ? | 14:59 |
lbt | we're playing ... it just looks the same | 14:59 |
xruxa | that explains ;) | 15:00 |
* Stskeeps ponders idly | 15:00 | |
Stskeeps | so, what is a Mer 1.0? | 15:00 |
Stskeeps | (in your thoughts) | 15:03 |
xruxa | ??? nemomobile :No such channel | 15:04 |
Stskeeps | xruxa: /join #nemomobile | 15:04 |
Stskeeps | should work | 15:04 |
xruxa | oookay, so I failed to type that right three times ;) | 15:04 |
w00t | Stskeeps: what's the point of a 1.0? | 15:13 |
w00t | date based releases ftw | 15:13 |
w00t | :P | 15:13 |
Stskeeps | w00t: i think some kind of stability approach would be good ;) | 15:13 |
* Stskeeps ponders idly | 15:13 | |
w00t | of course - we should be incrementally getting better (more stable) :) | 15:13 |
lbt | I tend to agree with w00t | 15:14 |
lbt | you may want to have something semantic though | 15:14 |
Stskeeps | well, we probably will have to do invasive changes at times | 15:14 |
lbt | eg Mer 1 = X | 15:14 |
lbt | Mer 2 = Wayland | 15:15 |
lbt | or named | 15:15 |
w00t | Stskeeps: can't you do those invasive changes outside mainstream, and just not merge them back until they're ready? | 15:15 |
Stskeeps | w00t: okay, as an example, toolchain upgrade will cause a boatload of merge requests | 15:15 |
w00t | yup | 15:15 |
Stskeeps | so we need a sane structure to do interdependancies | 15:16 |
Stskeeps | and well, is it feasible to never let quirks slip by? | 15:16 |
w00t | it's not entirely feasible, sure | 15:16 |
w00t | but keep in mind the amount of manpower you actually have | 15:16 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:16 |
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lbt | versions have numbers ... and higher implies better | 15:17 |
lbt | codename + date seems reasonable | 15:17 |
lbt | and codename can be changed a fair amount | 15:17 |
* Stskeeps needs a damn whiteboard.. | 15:18 | |
lbt | so if base is 1.0 then call it Mer Black ... then if you change the toolchain or deprecate X or something reasonably radical ; spawn Mer Agean | 15:19 |
lbt | realistically that's 1.0 and 1.1 | 15:19 |
lbt | but with less implied improvement | 15:19 |
Stskeeps | think vendor approach as well | 15:20 |
lbt | I am | 15:20 |
lbt | it doesn't make Mer Black "old" | 15:20 |
Stskeeps | i'm inclined to think that some people panic at the thought of incremental releases | 15:20 |
Stskeeps | er, rolling | 15:20 |
lbt | heh... release an iceberg every now and again then | 15:21 |
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w00t | Stskeeps: realistically, won't they be snapshotting releases *anyway*? | 15:23 |
w00t | (that is, not just upgrading blindly...) | 15:23 |
Stskeeps | sortof | 15:23 |
w00t | the same way you don't upgrade a toolchain blindly | 15:23 |
Stskeeps | yeah, the way you, erm, don't | 15:23 |
w00t | (haha) | 15:23 |
* Stskeeps ponders about meego 1.3 | 15:23 | |
Stskeeps | i was not pleased to get told about issues while being drunk at a music festival | 15:24 |
w00t | mm? | 15:29 |
w00t | oh dear.. | 15:29 |
w00t | did someone upgrade the toolchain and bail? | 15:30 |
w00t | ;) | 15:30 |
Stskeeps | i didn't :P | 15:30 |
jonnor | is MeeGo 1.3 still planned? :s | 15:30 |
Stskeeps | no | 15:31 |
Stskeeps | we slipped release schedule by at least 2 months by now | 15:31 |
Stskeeps | Mer is the closest thing | 15:31 |
vgrade | walks in after county bowling trials for the boys | 15:33 |
Stskeeps | wb | 15:33 |
Stskeeps | how are their games going? | 15:33 |
vgrade | both played well today, Alex made the county team :) | 15:33 |
vgrade | good to get out for a while | 15:34 |
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Stskeeps | :) | 15:34 |
vgrade | looking at g9 now | 15:34 |
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ScriptRipper | lbt Stskeeps qemu build finished in my home under openSUSE:Tools:Deploy, have also debian version build | 15:35 |
Stskeeps | ok | 15:35 |
* Stskeeps adds to todo to take a look at that | 15:36 | |
ScriptRipper | I will now setup for aggregate to check if pkgs build for Mer | 15:36 |
ScriptRipper | need to know build script version because of init_buildscript | 15:37 |
ScriptRipper | or I need to replace it also in my test | 15:37 |
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lbt | hmmf ... Lenovo just panic'ed after 20hrs sitting quietly on the desk.... | 15:48 |
Stskeeps | btrfs related? | 15:48 |
lbt | doesn't look like it | 15:49 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: hmm, i just thought of an interesting potential scenario | 16:09 |
Stskeeps | that traditional non-localdep doesn't catch, like trunk:testing | 16:09 |
lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/6363547567/in/photostream/lightbox/ | 16:10 |
Venemo_N950 | is there a Mer-based image yet with a UX targeted on netbooks? eg. the s10-3t | 16:10 |
lbt | Venemo_N950: nemo ? | 16:11 |
Stskeeps | package Z uses package Y which happens to #include package X's header. we introduce broken package X. package Y rebuilds, but returns same result, so package Z doesn't trigger | 16:11 |
Stskeeps | when Z is triggered next time, it takes X's package into use and breaks | 16:11 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: not terribly | 16:12 |
Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: i'm pondering what would be a good qt netbook ui though | 16:12 |
lbt | Stskeeps: which shows the need for more than just "ship it if it builds" testing :) | 16:12 |
lbt | "package Y rebuilds, but returns same result" ... so package Y simply passes-thru the headers or something? | 16:13 |
Stskeeps | yeah, #include <stdio.h> as a brutal example | 16:14 |
Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, I'm not sure there is one yet at all :) | 16:14 |
Stskeeps | lbt: this doesn't happen in localdep because it uses more resources and actually rebuilds the entire tree, because it can't compare with the linked repo's binaries | 16:14 |
Stskeeps | ie, X modified will always trigger Y which will always trigger Z | 16:16 |
lbt | ah | 16:16 |
lbt | so this is also a badly defined dependency | 16:17 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 16:17 |
lbt | Z actually depends on X | 16:17 |
lbt | but assumes X if Y | 16:17 |
Stskeeps | though | 16:17 |
lbt | which is legitimate | 16:17 |
Stskeeps | most packages actually state Requires: glibc-devel (as a brutal example) in their devel headers | 16:17 |
Stskeeps | so i guess we'll only see this scenario for preinstalled packages | 16:17 |
Stskeeps | if there's a requires: it would trigger | 16:18 |
lbt | and if Y lies and declares provides X then .... fail | 16:18 |
Stskeeps | mm | 16:18 |
Stskeeps | well that rarely happens :P | 16:18 |
Stskeeps | the reason i'm pondering it is that i'm looking at adding functionality to bs_worker to compare against the linked repo | 16:19 |
Stskeeps | as to make QA tests easier on the OBS | 16:19 |
lbt | yes | 16:20 |
lbt | don't "alternatives" provide things via a proxy | 16:20 |
Stskeeps | hmm? | 16:20 |
lbt | nm - not really a development situation | 16:21 |
Stskeeps | basically it asks OBS for buildinfo | 16:21 |
Stskeeps | to get the old package | 16:21 |
Stskeeps | so the question is if buildinfo for a localdep project == .. ? :) | 16:21 |
Stskeeps | if=what | 16:23 |
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Stskeeps | lo crevetor | 16:30 |
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lbt | phaeron1: ping | 16:50 |
phaeron1 | lbt: ? | 16:51 |
lbt | can I sensibly copypac home:iamer:CE:Utils:Devel kickstarter Mer:Tools:Testing | 16:51 |
phaeron1 | I don't think that's the correct place to get it from | 16:52 |
Stskeeps | get from sage's if anything | 16:52 |
Stskeeps | he's been working on kickstarte | 16:52 |
Stskeeps | r | 16:52 |
lbt | not on c.obs | 16:52 |
lbt | well, search returns phaeron1 and mcfrisk_ | 16:53 |
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lbt | I got sage's git clone git://gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter.git kickstarter | 16:53 |
phaeron1 | http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=kickstarter&project=devel%3Atools%3Abuilding | 16:54 |
lbt | OK | 16:54 |
lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Tools | 16:54 |
lbt | FYI | 16:54 |
lbt | phaeron1: that's not sage's though | 16:56 |
phaeron1 | I am not sure where he packages it | 16:56 |
lbt | OK - you were next sanest choice :) | 16:57 |
* lbt cries | 17:00 | |
lbt | spectacle manages to only install itself for python2.6 | 17:00 |
lbt | <deep breath> .... once more down the rabbit hole | 17:00 |
lbt | I think people taking shortcuts are the biggest reason opensource sucks | 17:02 |
berndhs | people take just as many shortcuts in closed source :) | 17:03 |
lbt | it wasn't a comparitive | 17:04 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: how do we deal with non-squeeze vms? | 17:12 |
Stskeeps | just starting to form obs2.3 setup in my mind and contemplating if it's just easier to start from scratch and do it right | 17:12 |
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lbt | I suggest that it is | 17:12 |
Stskeeps | is there obs 2.3 appliances yet? (not for our setup) | 17:13 |
lbt | no, 2.3 isn't final yet | 17:13 |
Stskeeps | o | 17:13 |
Stskeeps | k | 17:13 |
Stskeeps | how did you deal with armv7el / armv8el scheduler name in obs 23? | 17:13 |
Stskeeps | 2.3 | 17:14 |
Stskeeps | i'm seeing notions it's been renamed | 17:14 |
lbt | no changes for us | 17:14 |
Stskeeps | ah, just 'recommended' | 17:15 |
lbt | http://pastie.org/2889050 | 17:15 |
phaeron1 | Stskeeps: I made an obs2.3 + boss vm | 17:16 |
Stskeeps | ah, clever | 17:16 |
Stskeeps | lbt: xenflavour? | 17:16 |
lbt | kiwi is nice | 17:16 |
Stskeeps | yes, but we're on kvm :P | 17:16 |
lbt | but yeah | 17:17 |
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lbt | that's straight out of meego | 17:17 |
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Stskeeps | ok | 17:17 |
Stskeeps | let's look at obs tomorrow then, i need to verify we can resurrect mer with just a fakeobs dump anyway | 17:18 |
lbt | I need to port the mk_11.4 vm maker script - quite short | 17:18 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:18 |
Stskeeps | i'm just figuring that if i'm going to be fixing the localdep 'issue', it might as well be on 2.3 | 17:19 |
lbt | that's what I thought about so many things | 17:19 |
lbt | really got painful in the end | 17:19 |
lbt | you can run the kiwi thing on monster | 17:20 |
phaeron1 | Stskeeps: http://susestudio.com/a/rKRt4v/mint_appliance-32bit if you are interested. you can download the kiwi source , or I can upload the kiwi stuff somewhere | 17:20 |
phaeron1 | lbt: ^^ | 17:20 |
lbt | then when we make a suse VM we can bootstrap there later | 17:20 |
phaeron1 | bbl | 17:21 |
lbt | phaeron1: mmm | 17:21 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: odd question, how much was the mer tshirts per piece? | 17:23 |
lbt | I got them on a special - let me see now | 17:26 |
lbt | £5-10 | 17:26 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:26 |
lbt | bbiab | 17:33 |
Stskeeps | === Difference to previous patchset === | 17:37 |
Stskeeps | You can use "Old Version History:" dropdown to get diff according to previous patchset. | 17:37 |
Stskeeps | ^ for those who wondered | 17:37 |
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Sage | lbt, Stskeeps, phaeron: the kickstarter from my git clone yes. That is only one that works with the nemo .ks files atm. | 18:50 |
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lbt | Sage: I'm just trying to organise tools | 18:52 |
lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Tools | 18:52 |
lbt | about to push up a new package for spectacle (that supports python 2.7) | 18:52 |
lbt | I put my mic2 in there | 18:52 |
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lbt | mmm ssd based local builds are sweet :) | 18:54 |
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Stskeeps | Sage: glib2 seems to cause gamin gstreamer poppler to break, though not sure with what (bug in OBS..) | 18:59 |
Stskeeps | on i586, so should be easy to check | 19:00 |
xruxa | Evening guys. Is anyone trying to get GPS working on N900/N950? | 19:01 |
w00t | i wonder if that's related to the liblocation symbol resolution error i saw .. somewhere | 19:02 |
* w00t forgets now | 19:02 | |
Stskeeps | xruxa: n900 is easy, n950 is a nightmare | 19:02 |
w00t | Stskeeps: oh? | 19:02 |
xruxa | Stskeeps: lets get N900 done then :) | 19:02 |
* xruxa would love to see the Maps on N900 to actually get position lock | 19:03 | |
Stskeeps | xruxa: we basically need to rebase the location-adaptation-rx-51 and make a special qt mobility build.. | 19:03 |
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Stskeeps | w00t: we only have like alpha n950 one and i'm not sure we have legal approval for it | 19:03 |
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w00t | heh | 19:05 |
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