| vgrade | embedded linux is small field | 00:00 |
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| _Thomas | yeah, and so is linux kernel hackers in general, it seems | 00:00 |
| vgrade | you see my work on plasma active, http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7760085581142301611#editor/target=post;postID=3922465999512492711 | 00:01 |
| _Thomas | Hmm, google want's me to create a blog with that link? | 00:02 |
| lbt | vgrade: looks like an edit link? | 00:03 |
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| vgrade | http://martinbrook.blogspot.com/2011/11/mer-since-demise-of-meego-group-of.html | 00:04 |
| _Thomas | vgrade: How much kernel hacking have you done? :) | 00:09 |
| vgrade | not much kernal stuff I'm afraid more of an integration guy | 00:10 |
| _Thomas | coding, or mainly just adapting? | 00:11 |
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| lbt | night all | 00:13 |
| vgrade | not much coding nowadays, just putting things together really | 00:13 |
| vgrade | lbt night | 00:13 |
| vgrade | would probabaly like to run plasma on your device | 00:14 |
| king_aoeu | plasma is ugly imo | 00:15 |
| vgrade | king_aoeu, hi, missed you | 00:15 |
| king_aoeu | why doesn't gnome do a mobile ui? | 00:15 |
| king_aoeu | vgrade: who are you? :P | 00:15 |
| lbt | king_aoeu: take it to meego-bar please | 00:15 |
| vgrade | :) | 00:15 |
| king_aoeu | what's the difference between the meego-bar and here? | 00:16 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:24 |
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| wmarone_ | poop | 04:44 |
| wmarone_ | nook tablet is not a viable target | 04:44 |
| beford | Y NO?! | 04:48 |
| wmarone_ | signed kernel! | 04:50 |
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| _Thomas | http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2570060/fxis-cotton-candy-usb | 05:36 |
| dcthang | hi Stskeeps | 05:36 |
| _Thomas | http://blog.laptopmag.com/usb-stick-contains-dual-core-computer-turns-any-screen-into-an-android-station | 05:36 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Now you get a better idea of what we're making :) | 05:36 |
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| wmarone_ | that would be a nifty little device | 05:42 |
| slonopotamus | _Thomas: where's the power button? | 05:45 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone_: bastards :( | 06:05 |
| wmarone_ | yup | 06:05 |
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| * Stskeeps is waking up | 06:05 | |
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| Stskeeps | _Thomas: looks good :) | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: pretty much how i imagined it | 06:07 |
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| Stskeeps | _Thomas: i'm a little unsure of "pops up in a window", so it gives a program with a virtual framebuffer to the host? | 06:10 |
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| _Thomas | Stskeeps: It streams h.264 (or mpeg4/mpeg2, depending on the host) w/audio if you're connecting it to something using usb | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 06:54 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: And takes it's input from the host | 06:54 |
| w00t | hmm :> | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 06:54 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: We have a framework, so you can use the communication layer for other things as well | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: support HDMI-CEC by chance? | 06:55 |
| _Thomas | yepp | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | oh that's nice | 06:55 |
| _Thomas | But we haven't done much with that yet, but it's all there, at least | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | i don't support it's possible to run the device with a charger type of thing instead of a computer? | 06:56 |
| _Thomas | Yes | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | suppose, i mean | 06:56 |
| _Thomas | I even ran it on USB battery | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | oh nice | 06:56 |
| * w00t sees Stskeeps get his purchasing on | 06:57 | |
| w00t | :P | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: raspberry pi first, then i can decide if i need to add more power :P | 06:58 |
| w00t | pfft | 06:58 |
| w00t | usb build farm! | 06:58 |
| w00t | :P | 06:58 |
| toggles | _Thomas++ | 07:04 |
| toggles | sweet | 07:04 |
| toggles | nice, hiring too! I want a job working with the trolls.. | 07:05 |
| vgrade | dm8tbr, ping | 07:08 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: poing | 07:09 |
| dm8tbr | which directory, where? ;) | 07:09 |
| vgrade | dm8tbr, am I that predictable :) | 07:17 |
| vgrade | Raspberry Pi , please | 07:17 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: javier: which adaptation isn't configured with tmpfs? | 07:18 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: ping me in 2h please, gotta run for a meatink | 07:26 |
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| javier | Sage: I thought kernel-adaptation wasn't, but it is | 08:20 |
| javier | Sage: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=config-generic&package=kernel-adaptation-pc&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3Ax86-generic&srcmd5=b6c003e5da02a8b148a8bbbe5a48aaa5 | 08:20 |
| Sage | CONFIG_TMPFS=y | 08:22 |
| Sage | yes it is | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | DEVTMPS | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | DEVTMPFS | 08:22 |
| Sage | CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y | 08:22 |
| Sage | CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y | 08:23 |
| Sage | ^ did we need to remove one of thsoe? | 08:23 |
| Sage | kimju: said something about that IIRC | 08:23 |
| kimju | hmm? | 08:24 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:35 |
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| Sage | kimju: so can those both be =y or did one of those be ignored DEVTMPFS to work properly? | 08:41 |
| Sage | CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y and CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y | 08:41 |
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| kimju | CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y enables the devtmpfs compilation into the kernel | 08:42 |
| kimju | CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y automounts the devtmpfs after boot. | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | second one is needed for systemd i think | 08:54 |
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| marquiz | morn | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | morn marquiz | 09:18 |
| marquiz | are there any moslo guys around anymore? | 09:21 |
| marquiz | i'd really like to get the kernel code | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | peter/pan1nx comes around at times | 09:21 |
| marquiz | i made some good progress on dual-booting (managed to dual boot meego/harmattan), but the kexec is very flaky | 09:22 |
| marquiz | k, i'll prolly send them email about that | 09:24 |
| veskuh | marquiz: kernel sources should be in tar at same place as moslo bin | 09:24 |
| marquiz | veskuh: k, i'll check | 09:24 |
| marquiz | veskuh: thanks, you were right! | 09:27 |
| marquiz | i just ignored the moslo-src tarball as i thought it'd contain the moslo sources that are in gitorious ;) | 09:28 |
| marquiz | but the tarball is 90MB and contains src rpms for kernel, kexec and moslo which is perfect | 09:28 |
| marquiz | i'll take a closer look into those in the weekend | 09:29 |
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| Stskeeps | NOTE: review.merproject.org going down for migration to a better pasture | 10:04 |
| w00t | grass is always greener | 10:11 |
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| * Sage was just about to ask about review | 10:43 | |
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| slaine | vgrade: the advent vega, that's a 7" device right ? | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | 10.1" according to wikipedia | 11:09 |
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| lauri | 3/name | 11:13 |
| slaine | Hmmm, wanting a 7" device for mer work | 11:16 |
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| dm8tbr | Archos 70 with omap3 or Archos 80 with omap4 | 11:17 |
| dm8tbr | the latter will have mer/plasma-active by arc_mat soon, the former is very N9ish in hardware, so bringing it up should also be possible. | 11:18 |
| arc_mat | in fact since SDE for Gen8 devices is released since long, someone could do it instantly... | 11:20 |
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| slaine | interesting | 11:20 |
| dm8tbr | yepps | 11:20 |
| dm8tbr | my a101 got stolen and I'm not enough of a masochist to attempt this on a A32+ | 11:21 |
| slaine | I assume that's a 10.1 inch ? | 11:21 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 11:21 |
| arc_mat | people _steal_ archos devices? wow, now we're really mainstream ;) | 11:21 |
| dm8tbr | the formerly mentioned devices are 7 and 8 inch | 11:22 |
| dm8tbr | ah btw: I saw A101s in a cool application wednesday | 11:22 |
| dm8tbr | need to upload pictures | 11:22 |
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| dm8tbr | arc_mat: http://www.bfst.de/aalto/ that's at http://aaltovg.com/about/ | 11:36 |
| arc_mat | dm8tbr: lol ;) | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | review.merproject.org back up, please be OK with the certificate on https://review.merproject.org , it's for your own protection :) | 12:14 |
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| lbt | I'm just about to publish the 'master' mer certificate | 12:27 |
| lbt | if you install that then you trust Mer as a CA - which you may or may not want to do. | 12:28 |
| lbt | for the logs: | 12:33 |
| lbt | http://access.merproject.org/Mer_CA_certificate.pem | 12:33 |
| lbt | http://access.merproject.org/Mer_CA_certificate.md5sum | 12:33 |
| lbt | http://access.merproject.org/Mer_CA_certificate.sha1sum | 12:33 |
| lbt | 30a6fb5e23391b8410229435d7729816 Mer_CA_certificate.pem | 12:33 |
| lbt | 140cfb5118ea59b152a896ee0c738a234abbb3d9 Mer_CA_certificate.pem | 12:33 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'll bounce the www and domain A rec to phost1 now - the default site is the banner | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | is gitweb up? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | on www.* | 12:40 |
| lbt | no | 12:41 |
| lbt | that's what I meant ... is it fronted by gerrit or independent? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | both - | 12:42 |
| lbt | nb... I've not changed www DNS yet | 12:42 |
| lbt | OK | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | https://review.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core%2Fmpfr.git;a=commit;h=462a4dfb297ce546a57009d96a89a35d92df23d0 , http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | first one is strictly related to gerrit's fronting, second one is just generic | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | ie, "what repos exist in mer.." | 12:43 |
| lbt | yep... do you want it on gitweb.merproject.org/ | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sure | 12:43 |
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| lbt | stopping review for a minute | 13:58 |
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| javier | is the Work around for eGalax Touchscreen still needed for Mer? | 14:54 |
| vgrade | javier, which workaround? | 15:02 |
| javier | cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/60-cando-mtev.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/60-egalax-mtev.conf | 15:02 |
| javier | then s/Cando/eGalax/ | 15:02 |
| vgrade | those files are part of adaptation and its probably still required, check the package which provides 60-cando-mtev to be sure. | 15:04 |
| javier | I'm trying to get PA running on Mer, but can't get the X to start (yet), (EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device | 15:06 |
| javier | PreInit Returened 8 for "eGalax..." | 15:06 |
| vgrade | javier, from the ks you posted yesterday? | 15:08 |
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| javier | same base, but I added the "desktop file to xsessions directory" section | 15:09 |
| javier | (/usr/share/xsessions/X-MEEGO-HS.desktop) | 15:09 |
| vgrade | can you paste again the one fromo yeserday has gone | 15:10 |
| javier | sure | 15:10 |
| javier | vgrade: http://paste.kde.org/~javier/147596/ | 15:11 |
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| vgrade | the cando file is from this package, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=xorg-x11-drv-mtev&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3Ax86-generic | 15:13 |
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| javier | that package is installed | 15:14 |
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| javier | .xsession-errors doesn't say much, hmm | 15:19 |
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| vgrade | does it say anything? | 15:21 |
| javier | (EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device | 15:22 |
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| javier | (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "eGalax Inc. USB TouchController" | 15:23 |
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| javier | I have an external usb keyboard attached | 15:23 |
| javier | it complains about it too (same type of error) | 15:24 |
| vgrade | javier, I don't think those are an issue, can you paste the xsession, I will try it tonight on my Exo | 15:25 |
| javier | sure, just a sec | 15:26 |
| vgrade | is the image in http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_x86_usb_live_and_install_archive/ | 15:27 |
| javier | yep, the latest one | 15:27 |
| vgrade | cool | 15:27 |
| javier | 2011-11-18-15-16-basyskom-plasma-active-devel-USB-live.iso | 15:27 |
| javier | i'm trying to get the boot option working first (live mode), then the installer | 15:28 |
| vgrade | ok, things are a bit fluid in Mer and Active atm but hopefully we can get something to base off | 15:29 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: http://images.formeego.org/raspberry-pi/ is yours | 15:29 |
| vgrade | dm8tbr, ok thanks, forgot the ping, been on day job | 15:30 |
| dm8tbr | don't worry, so was I | 15:30 |
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| javier | vgrade: http://paste.kde.org/~javier/147614/ | 15:32 |
| javier | vgrade: I have also seen an error message that could be related: /dev/kmsg not found (when booting up) | 15:33 |
| javier | but kmsg is indeed there | 15:33 |
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| javier | thanks for your help btw | 15:39 |
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| vgrade | javier, will look tonight | 16:30 |
| javier | vgrade: great. thanks! :-) | 16:31 |
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| vgrade | javier, going to have a full weekend hacking Mer stuff, day job gets in the way weekdays | 16:32 |
| javier | Mer++ :-) | 16:32 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, got my serial cable made up today, ready to go | 16:33 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, did you push your pvr stuff? | 16:34 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ FTW | 16:34 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: the sources are on my gitorious account | 16:34 |
| vgrade | ok thanks | 16:35 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: and parts of it build from KDE:Mer_Extras, there are adaptation packages for our stuff | 16:35 |
| vgrade | yea I've also seen mdfe:experemental | 16:37 |
| lbt | vgrade: do we have "how to make a plasma image" instructions anywhere? | 16:38 |
| vgrade | lbt, yes we have instructions for ARM at least, x86 is WIP atm with javier | 16:39 |
| lbt | where ... and what devices? | 16:39 |
| javier | wetab | 16:39 |
| javier | atm I just have a kickstart file | 16:40 |
| lbt | http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation ? | 16:40 |
| vgrade | advent vega, point of view tablets, N950 | 16:40 |
| lbt | vgrade: OK - I can try the N950 one then | 16:40 |
| javier | there's no mer for x86 section on that wiki :P | 16:40 |
| vgrade | http://images.formeego.org/n950/plasma-active/ for N950 | 16:41 |
| lbt | javier: I have a couple of ExoPCs and a Lenovo | 16:41 |
| javier | lbt: do you want the ks for x86? | 16:41 |
| javier | cool | 16:41 |
| lbt | javier: please | 16:41 |
| lbt | vgrade: ta | 16:41 |
| javier | ok, one sec | 16:41 |
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| javier | vgrade: http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_x86_usb_live_and_install_archive/2011-11-18-15-16-basyskom-plasma-active-devel-USB-live.ks | 16:42 |
| javier | you can also download an image | 16:42 |
| lbt | javier: tsa | 16:42 |
| javier | PA doesn't start (yet) | 16:43 |
| lbt | na ... I'm working on making IMG work well too | 16:43 |
| javier | excellent :) | 16:43 |
| lbt | I'd like to enable image build and flash processes | 16:44 |
| vgrade | lbt, arm tablet instructons here also, http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_arm_install_archive/point_of_view_nvidia_tegra2/readme.txt | 16:44 |
| javier | lbt: flash processes? | 16:45 |
| lbt | the idea is to use BOSS to make images and then let people with devices grab and submit results | 16:45 |
| lbt | "build image and flash" .... process | 16:45 |
| lbt | ie QA | 16:45 |
| javier | ah ok | 16:45 |
| lbt | I have a snapdragon too now | 16:46 |
| lbt | so should be able to run on that aswell | 16:46 |
| javier | in plural it sounded a bit different | 16:46 |
| lbt | hehe | 16:46 |
| javier | cool | 16:46 |
| * lbt had clearly been suffering device envy | 16:46 | |
| lbt | not any more | 16:46 |
| vgrade | lbt, only swrast on snapdragon :( | 16:46 |
| lbt | vgrade: even with the android kernel ? | 16:47 |
| vgrade | lbt, yea. | 16:47 |
| vgrade | unless they shipped you non androi drivers | 16:47 |
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| lbt | no - but I thought the guy at prague said they were available but closed/non-distributable | 16:48 |
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| lbt | anyhow... not happening for a while yet | 16:48 |
| vgrade | lbt, yea there was a bit of a 'well we need to talk about that internally' when I asked abouot non android drivers at one presentation. | 16:50 |
| lbt | :( | 16:50 |
| lbt | well, it'll make a nice mini-coffee table | 16:50 |
| vgrade | :) | 16:51 |
| vgrade | just wait for the llvmpipe stuff to come online | 16:51 |
| berndhs | just needs a frame around the edges to work as a tablet for drinks | 16:51 |
| lbt | berndhs: hmm ... good use case for a waitress.... labels by glasses with table numbers | 16:52 |
| javier | btw, ping me whenever you're hacking on mer/x86 this weekend, I'll probably join you :-) | 16:53 |
| berndhs | your drinks with you electronic bill underneath | 16:53 |
| lbt | berndhs: yep | 16:53 |
| lbt | javier: I'll be around all weekend | 16:54 |
| javier | me depending on the time | 16:54 |
| javier | this weekend we have elections | 16:55 |
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| ric_broadhurst | when you say Qt, does that include C++? | 17:04 |
| javier | if I manually call installer-shell, it works (boot meego option) | 17:04 |
| javier | nice | 17:04 |
| javier | ric_broadhurst: qml too | 17:05 |
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| ric_broadhurst | is that yes for C++, i'm not a fan of QML | 17:06 |
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| javier | yes, C++ | 17:06 |
| arc_mat | osc reminds me of the old days when everybody was still using svn ;) | 17:07 |
| ric_broadhurst | thanks, I had looked at MeeGo and Tizen, this could well be the best of both. | 17:07 |
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| * arc_mat wonders what is the best of Tizen when nobody knows what Tizen is, at all... | 17:08 | |
| _av500_ | that is the best | 17:08 |
| lbt | vgrade: can you start to use repo --name=mer-core --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases in your .ks | 17:14 |
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| lbt | arc_mat: oh, we're pretty sure we know a fair bit about Tizen | 17:15 |
| _av500_ | its linux | 17:18 |
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| * dm8tbr knows only that their OBS is (currently) not as craptastic as meego-core-obs (around 70% downtime on a weekly scale) | 17:18 | |
| _av500_ | and middleware | 17:18 |
| _av500_ | and ux | 17:18 |
| dm8tbr | _av500_: can you be sure, all we know is that it supports WAC | 17:18 |
| _av500_ | its a browser | 17:19 |
| dm8tbr | for what we know it could be symbian ;) | 17:19 |
| arc_mat | lbt: well, at LinuxCon Europe Tizen was not present, just a s/MeeGo/Tizen/ community "talk" | 17:22 |
| lbt | arc_mat: actually it was a Tizen/Mer talk :) | 17:23 |
| lbt | Dawn was good enough to let us stand up and talk about Mer | 17:24 |
| arc_mat | lbt: yes, helped to fill the void | 17:24 |
| _av500_ | tizen is busy porting the community i guess.. | 17:24 |
| lbt | which was rather nice - since Carsten and I both paid for tickets/flights/hotels *just* to see the Tizen architecture talks | 17:25 |
| lbt | and we were *so* thrilled that they cancelled them :( | 17:25 |
| lbt | _av500_: fourth time lucky eh? | 17:25 |
| arc_mat | lbt: we were at Qt DevDays the day before and got up at 4:30am to come to Prague in time for the talks they cancelled | 17:25 |
| lbt | arc_mat: ouch - but I guess you got an N9 though ? | 17:26 |
| arc_mat | lbt: not me | 17:26 |
| arc_mat | lbt: I was just there to take photos ;) | 17:26 |
| lbt | I thought they were given out at all the dev-days | 17:26 |
| arc_mat | lbt: they were. lots of people are now happy owners of a N9. | 17:27 |
| lbt | paff ... mumble C++ twitch and look at your shoes - you'll pass for a Qt developer | 17:27 |
| _av500_ | i went to prague for beer - it was given out | 17:27 |
| lbt | so did we actually meet there ... ? | 17:27 |
| arc_mat | lbt: actually I know a fair bit about Qt from old days. I'm even certified. | 17:28 |
| _av500_ | lbt: probably | 17:28 |
| _av500_ | i had a tshirt | 17:28 |
| arc_mat | I had a camera ;) | 17:28 |
| _av500_ | arc_mat: pls punt a url | 17:28 |
| _av500_ | 3g on train... | 17:28 |
| lbt | Me in the background with a Mer T-shirt .... http://www.flickr.com/photos/13825348@N03/6303575496/in/set-72157628029719800/lightbox/ | 17:28 |
| arc_mat | url to what? your photo of me? | 17:28 |
| _av500_ | and leaving civilization fast | 17:29 |
| arc_mat | lbt: me in the right | 17:29 |
| lbt | ah .... :) you :) | 17:29 |
| lbt | hey there | 17:29 |
| arc_mat | lbt: so we met :) | 17:29 |
| arc_mat | lbt: please to meet you :) | 17:29 |
| lbt | likewise | 17:30 |
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| arc_mat | lookin at all those photos, it's pretty hard to photograph somebody during a talk and not make him look dumb | 17:32 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13825348@N03/6303512640/in/set-72157628029719800/lightbox/ that's AV500 with the exopc in his hand ranting about it having fans | 17:32 |
| lbt | ah .... _av500_ == "the big green android guy".... gotcha | 17:33 |
| _av500_ | hehe | 17:34 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: there is quite a lot of bugs in the kickstarter thing still. Trying to fix those atm. | 17:34 |
| lbt | Sage: I packaged HEAD of mic2 BTW | 17:35 |
| lbt | so I can run it on IMG | 17:35 |
| _av500_ | dm8tbr: url my g+ elce phtot album pls | 17:35 |
| lbt | I'd like to get an IMG server public too | 17:35 |
| dm8tbr | yep, let me get that | 17:35 |
| _av500_ | thx | 17:35 |
| lbt | vgrade: Failed to find package 'mce' : No package(s) available to install | 17:36 |
| dm8tbr | https://plus.google.com/photos/112266164281670850856/albums/5674850806754427105 | 17:36 |
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| lbt | _av500_: you took that rather cool one of me and carsten .... very nice ... thanks! | 17:37 |
| _av500_ | ah that is you | 17:37 |
| _av500_ | 39y old camera :-) | 17:38 |
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| lbt | _av500_: wish I could say the same about the subject :P | 17:38 |
| javier | lbt: I had to remove many utils when migrating the ks from MeeGo to Mer | 17:40 |
| lbt | javier: that's from the ks next to the image though... I guess mce moved | 17:40 |
| javier | perhaps it's in another repo | 17:41 |
| Sage | lbt: nice | 17:41 |
| * arc_mat declares dayjob over and returns to pvr hacking | 17:41 | |
| arc_mat | :( | 17:41 |
| javier | do you think it would be possible to migrate the gui installer to mer? it makes keyboardless installs easier ;-) | 17:42 |
| lbt | what are the pre-requisites? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | javier: i think the idea is a non-interactive way for production | 17:43 |
| javier | I have to check the prerequisites | 17:43 |
| _av500_ | arc_mat: good hunting | 17:43 |
| javier | Stskeeps: I see. silent installs for testing is also good | 17:44 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah, I was thinking about having a non-core contrib package | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: :nod: | 17:44 |
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| lbt | I found this the other day http://www.plxtech.com/products/usbcontrollers/net2282 | 17:45 |
| _av500_ | which one is that? | 17:45 |
| lbt | I *think* it lets a PC act as a USB device | 17:46 |
| _av500_ | have that | 17:46 |
| _av500_ | its awesome | 17:46 |
| lbt | cool | 17:47 |
| lbt | can your PC impersonate mass storage? | 17:47 |
| _av500_ | it could | 17:47 |
| _av500_ | we used it for mtp dev | 17:47 |
| lbt | and then 'turn off' and then impersonate usb client as usb-net | 17:47 |
| _av500_ | my pc is a fully certified m$ drm10 client :-) | 17:48 |
| * lbt goes to get soap | 17:48 | |
| lbt | so you could automate the device flash and test process | 17:48 |
| lbt | (for some devices anyway) | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | for PC style devices, at least | 17:50 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'm thinking as a relatively low cost way to manage test automation | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | in practice the biggest problem is turning off and on a device | 17:51 |
| lbt | *nod* | 17:52 |
| dm8tbr | I'd suggest a bank of 8 relays on lpt and the devices get their battery power wired through this | 17:53 |
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| dm8tbr | make the devices boot into some minimal system that gets the real rootfs and then kicks in the real kernel by kexec | 17:54 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter/commits/master <- last three commits | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | we should really package that somehow | 18:00 |
| Sage | yes | 18:00 |
| Sage | I'm working on panda tv .ks with xbmc and ran a lot of errors :P | 18:00 |
| Sage | I have no idea why it worked with others before :P | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | magic | 18:02 |
| Sage | yes, some ordering went right or something | 18:02 |
| vgrade | lbt, things have been moving around with the new OBS structure, I'll add it to my list to update the N950 ks | 18:04 |
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| Sage | vgrade: talking about plasma active? | 18:07 |
| lbt | yes - mce? | 18:07 |
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| vgrade | sage, yes, the kickstart on images.formeego.org is pre OBS restructure | 18:08 |
| Sage | if someone could push the working plasmaactive ux to CE:UX:PlasmaActive I would create a .ks file for it. | 18:08 |
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| Sage | vgrade: the new structure is ready for plasma active as well. The MW is in CE:MW:PlamaActive already | 18:11 |
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| vgrade | Sage, I'm not sure if mdfe or javier would want to push that. I have no capacity at the moment | 18:12 |
| Sage | vgrade: understandable. I don't have much time for that either :/ | 18:13 |
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| Sage | trying to get my pandaboard+xbmc out to the public | 18:14 |
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| javier | Stskeeps: is that in mer's obs? | 18:15 |
| javier | oops | 18:15 |
| javier | I mean Sage | 18:15 |
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| lbt | Sage: mic2 @ HEAD : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=mic2&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools | 18:20 |
| Sage | javier: partially yes, but needs a lot of work | 18:20 |
| javier | Sage: in what sense? | 18:22 |
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| Sage | javier: x-loader doesn't compile atm. so I don't have fully booting adaptation there | 18:23 |
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| Sage | javier: also wifi, bt, audio are not working atm. | 18:24 |
| bigbluehat | woot! Looks like Mer's already for the Raspberry Pi! http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/358 | 18:24 |
| Sage | and packages are all over the place :P | 18:24 |
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| Sage | My plan is to get things together during this weekend if I just have the time. | 18:25 |
| vgrade | bigbluehat, we've been buiding for Pi for a few weeks now | 18:27 |
| bigbluehat | vgrade: rock on... | 18:27 |
| bigbluehat | I'm tracking the Pi progress in hopes of grabbing one when it comes out :) | 18:27 |
| bigbluehat | My Mer tracking is more…passive :) | 18:28 |
| lbt | vgrade: OK .. got it at least pulling packages ... just the Shared-> CE_MW_MTF_armv7hl rename | 18:30 |
| vgrade | lbt, ok | 18:30 |
| lbt | vgrade: spoke too soon - no meegotouch-demos .... and not found on c.obs either | 18:32 |
| Sage | vgrade: it is there, libmeegotouch package | 18:34 |
| lbt | I hate lib* packages that produce binaries | 18:35 |
| slaine | I have pulseaudio | 18:35 |
| slaine | hate | 18:35 |
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| Sage | \o/ x-loader compiled \o/ | 19:00 |
| Sage | I have no idea though if that works :P | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 19:00 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=eabi-compat.patch&package=x-loader-omap4panda&project=home%3Asage%3AMer%3AAdaptation%3Apandaboard&srcmd5=dd4d9d80c15ae4bd0075fcf13d938a26 | 19:00 |
| Sage | hack++ :D | 19:01 |
| javier | Sage: but isn't CE:UX:PlasmaActive a repo just for PA? it sounds like you have more stuff there | 19:01 |
| Sage | javier: it is | 19:02 |
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| Sage | javier: CE:MW:PlasmaActive has the "glue" packages | 19:02 |
| Sage | javier: see MW vs UX | 19:02 |
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| javier | different types of repos? | 19:03 |
| Sage | different repos yes | 19:04 |
| Sage | MW mean middleware and UX is the UX packages | 19:04 |
| Sage | there are some middleware packages needed by plasmaactive that are not in mer or the shared mw | 19:04 |
| javier | ah, understood | 19:04 |
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| javier | Sage: so you want to have Plasma Active packages from Project:KDE:Devel in CE:UX:PlasmaActive | 19:25 |
| javier | right? | 19:26 |
| javier | PA 2 is going to be release in the first week of december | 19:26 |
| javier | *released | 19:26 |
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| Sage | javier: yes that is right | 19:32 |
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| javier | Sage: it's easier to track development having the Mer_Extra repo in Project:KDE:Devel, from a maintainer perspective as well | 19:34 |
| Sage | javier: ?? | 19:35 |
| Sage | javier: there is no need for Mer_Extra repo | 19:35 |
| Sage | instead of that one they should compile against CE:UX:PlasmaActive really | 19:36 |
| javier | Sage: we have meego, and mer targets all in one project | 19:36 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo Clark008, kha00hs & jezra | 19:41 |
| * lbt looks at .ks with @Mer Minimal Xorg and wonders what pulls in xorg-x11-server-Xorg | 19:41 | |
| Sage | lbt: that doesn't pull xorg-x11-server-xorg anymore | 19:41 |
| Clark008 | heya | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 19:41 |
| jezra | greetings | 19:41 |
| lbt | Sage: something from vgrade's plasma ks seems to ... | 19:41 |
| Clark008 | wmarone_ brought me here | 19:41 |
| Sage | lbt: for n900 and n950 ti-omap3-sgx brings Xorg | 19:41 |
| Clark008 | he mentioned you guys were making great progress on mer | 19:42 |
| Clark008 | so I gut curious | 19:42 |
| Clark008 | got* | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, things are starting to pick up nicely :) | 19:42 |
| Clark008 | nice | 19:42 |
| Clark008 | I'll be reading a bit | 19:42 |
| jezra | having recently picked up an n900, I thought I should check the state of mer | 19:42 |
| Clark008 | I actually have no idea what mer is | 19:42 |
| * Clark008 laughs | 19:42 | |
| Stskeeps | mer's the engine which people put inside exciting things | 19:43 |
| lbt | Sage: probably one of the kde-runtime things | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | jezra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCCxjO0CXjw | 19:43 |
| Sage | lbt: well that sounds a very bad dep it is really so | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | jezra: that's the Nemo Mobile ui, built on top of the mer core | 19:44 |
| lbt | Sage: how do I debug that? | 19:44 |
| Sage | lbt: you have image available? | 19:44 |
| Sage | or it break already during build? | 19:45 |
| lbt | failed in mic | 19:45 |
| Sage | ok, building for which arch? | 19:45 |
| lbt | n50 | 19:45 |
| lbt | n950 | 19:45 |
| Sage | ok, add -ti-omap3-sgx to the .ks file let it build and then use mic-chroot or boot device and run rpm -e xorg-x11-server-Xorg and see which package doesn't want to be removed with it | 19:46 |
| Sage | lbt: eh | 19:46 |
| Sage | lbt: remove Nokia N900 Proprietary Support group instead of that -ti-omap3-sgx | 19:46 |
| Clark008 | Stskeeps - thanks | 19:47 |
| Clark008 | what's in the n900? omap3621? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | omap3430 | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | mer's of course not limited to n900 - n900 is just a hardware adaptation that works pretty well with Mer | 19:48 |
| lbt | Sage: ok - is there a way to get a dependency tree/conflict from a .ks ? | 19:48 |
| Clark008 | which sgx? | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: sgx530 i think | 19:48 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: good night? :) | 19:48 |
| Clark008 | :o | 19:48 |
| Clark008 | that's the same as the nook color | 19:48 |
| Sage | lbt: I don't think so. | 19:49 |
| Clark008 | well, the sgx530.. | 19:49 |
| lbt | did the trick anyhow | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: nah, 22:00 my time | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | Clark008: i have a nook color too, .. one day it'll have Mer too | 19:49 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: I charged mine up yesterday.... | 19:50 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: Finland? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: no, it's 20:46 here atm | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | unless lbt's been messing with my server clock | 19:50 |
| Sage | 21:49.45 < Stskeeps> Sage: nah, 22:00 my time | 19:50 |
| Sage | ^ :P | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | just saying i usually sleep around 22 :P | 19:50 |
| Sage | ah :) | 19:50 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: quite possible | 19:50 |
| lbt | all servers are UTC :) | 19:51 |
| Sage | lbt: workers started to disappear again | 19:51 |
| lbt | Sage: bollocks | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: check jobhistory for home:rzr:harmattan | 19:51 |
| lbt | I thought I had that | 19:51 |
| Clark008 | Stskeeps - that's awesome | 19:51 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: when it cools down .... red hot atm :) | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: there's some, erm, interesting errors in there | 19:51 |
| Clark008 | I guess, I'm referred to here cause we stalled on ics port | 19:51 |
| Clark008 | anything to make the ncolor more than it is, I'm all for it! | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | Clark008: so, the N950/N9 has a 2.6.32 kernel too and it runs Mer | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | so does NC | 19:52 |
| lbt | Sage: wow ... they all died | 19:52 |
| lbt | hmm | 19:52 |
| lbt | actually it's losing phosts, not workers | 19:52 |
| Clark008 | yeah, similar | 19:53 |
| Sage | hmmp... my u-boot compiles stalled | 19:53 |
| lbt | X-Fade: ping | 19:53 |
| Clark008 | ncolor have omap3621 though | 19:53 |
| Clark008 | but I don't think that'll matter | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://pastie.org/2885015 | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: is what i'm talking about | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | Clark008: doesn't matter much at least, i think someone just has to do the work | 19:55 |
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| * Clark008 is, unfortunately, not a dev | 19:57 | |
| Clark008 | =\ | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | QA is always good too | 19:57 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: the 1h timeout is (I think) an inactivity kill | 19:58 |
| javier | Sage: if compiling PA against CW:MW:PA brings more functionality to PA, ok. I could link packages in CW:UX:PA to Project:KDE:Devel packages | 19:58 |
| Clark008 | what are you guys doing with sgx530? | 19:58 |
| Clark008 | did you guys get drivers? | 19:59 |
| Clark008 | or just binary | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | Clark008: you can get sane drivers for any omap3, problem with meego was that it had hardfp ABI | 19:59 |
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| Clark008 | ahh | 20:00 |
| Clark008 | I forgot what stalled the ics port | 20:01 |
| Sage | javier: CW:MW:PA? | 20:01 |
| Clark008 | I remember it had something to do with the sgx530 | 20:01 |
| javier | Sage: PA: Plasma Active | 20:01 |
| Clark008 | Stskeeps - #nookcolor | 20:01 |
| Sage | CE:MW:PlasmaActive then | 20:01 |
| Clark008 | join us =p | 20:01 |
| wmarone_ | Clark008: nook color has been my "project" | 20:02 |
| wmarone_ | albeit one I haven't had much time for :/ | 20:02 |
| Sage | javier: and the CE:MW:PlasmaActive has the same functionality than the Mer_Extras or what ever. It is just stripped to more maintainable combo | 20:02 |
| Clark008 | you mean, mer on ncolor? | 20:02 |
| wmarone_ | ya | 20:02 |
| Clark008 | ahh | 20:02 |
| Sage | javier: if there is something essential missing we can add it, but we should not start with massive amount of packages but with the minimal | 20:03 |
| Clark008 | I'll take either or | 20:03 |
| Clark008 | anything to make it more functional as a tablet | 20:03 |
| javier | Sage: sure. OK, it's more about having a maintanable combo at this point | 20:03 |
| javier | *so | 20:03 |
| Sage | javier: exactly | 20:03 |
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| Sage | Mer_Extras has 150 packages and CE:MW:PlasmaActive ~30 so much easier to maintain | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone_: has there been work to use a normal off the shelf SGX driver with NC? | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone_: ie, from ti omap sites | 20:05 |
| javier | what I don't want is having duplicate efforts (and repos) for the same thing :-) | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: what things did you want in .gitignore in all repos? | 20:05 |
| wmarone_ | Stskeeps: as I noted earlier, I haven't had much time. someone else was targeting xorg, but I haven't had an update in a while | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: *~, .osc ? | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone_: :nod: i know, just catching up | 20:06 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: *~ and yes possibly .osc as well | 20:06 |
| wmarone_ | I'll probably look into things this weekend though, since the NT is not a path forward | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone_: well, we have all 2.6.32 patches needed in the n950 adaptation for mer, at least | 20:07 |
| Clark008 | Yeah, nook tablet was a disappointment in hackability | 20:08 |
| wmarone_ | Stskeeps: Oh. Well if Mer will run on 2.6.32 that's a decent shortcut | 20:08 |
| Sage | grr... | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: mm? | 20:09 |
| Sage | u-boot compile stalls | 20:09 |
| Sage | everytime to same spot | 20:09 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=u-boot-omap4panda&project=home%3Asage%3AMer%3AAdaptation%3Apandaboard&repository=CE_Adaptation_PandaBoard_armv7hl | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone_: it'll attract more people to eventual kernel hacking i guess | 20:09 |
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| wmarone_ | possibly | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: stall in gcc? | 20:09 |
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| Sage | seems so to me | 20:09 |
| Clark008 | I'm impressed with all these devvin' | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | local build test? | 20:09 |
| Clark008 | you guys are amazing | 20:09 |
| Sage | gcc -g -Os -fno-common -ffixed-r8 -msoft-float -D__KERNEL__ -DCONFIG_SYS_TEXT_BASE=0x80100000 -DCONFIG_SPL_TEXT_BASE=0x40304350 -I/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/u-boot-2011.09/include -fno-builtin -ffreestanding -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi/4.6.1/include -pipe -DCONFIG_ARM -D__ARM__ -marm -mabi=aapcs-linux -mno-thumb-interwork -march=armv5 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fno-stack-protector -Wno-format-nonliteral -Wno-format-securit | 20:10 |
| Sage | last line ^ | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: do a local build test, that should help | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | it might be our toolchain is just buggy | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | i have a linaro + 4.6 toolchain merge targetted for some point | 20:12 |
| Sage | $ osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com/ build CE_Adaptation_PandaBoard_armv7l armv7l | 20:14 |
| Sage | unexpected argument: 'armv7l' | 20:14 |
| Sage | ?? | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | armv7el | 20:18 |
| Sage | grr | 20:19 |
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| Sage | ok, this will take a while with this netbook :D | 20:25 |
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| Sage | what was the solution for this again http://pastie.org/2885226 | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | sudo qemu-binfmt-misc-conf.sh sish stuff | 20:43 |
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| Ronksu | evenings | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | evening Ronksu | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | how's ze birds and pigs? | 20:44 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/2885231 | 20:44 |
| Sage | and where did I get the good .sh file? :) | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | uhm | 20:45 |
| Ronksu | Stskeeps: on bruises I guess ;) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | looks correct | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: /usr/bin/qemu* exists? | 20:45 |
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| Sage | qemu-arm-static yes | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | qemu-arm-static cp to qemu-arm | 20:46 |
| Sage | didn't help | 20:49 |
| Sage | why this is always so hard :/ | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 20:49 |
| Sage | srr, worked | 20:49 |
| Sage | \o | 20:49 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: thx :) | 20:50 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: stalls on local build as well | 20:53 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2885273 | 20:55 |
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| arc_mat | Stskeeps: hmm, what was the trick to disable the uxlaunch service? | 21:18 |
| * arc_mat wants a silent system for debugging | 21:18 | |
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| vgrade | systemctl disable uxlaunch.service | 21:20 |
| vgrade | rboot | 21:20 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: older u-boot compiled fine | 21:20 |
| vgrade | javier, ping | 21:22 |
| javier | vgrade: pong | 21:22 |
| vgrade | are you working on :devel with CE:UX:PlasmaActive | 21:23 |
| vgrade | I notice there are a couple of cut/paste errors in the arches | 21:24 |
| javier | I'm using PA from Project:KDE:Devel atm | 21:26 |
| javier | what errors? | 21:27 |
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| vgrade | the arch sections for armv7l and i586 are both armv8el, should be armv7el, i586, in https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel | 21:37 |
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| vgrade | vgrade remembers he's got :devel access | 21:42 |
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| Sage | anyone know what cmd should be executed when installing new kernel module, depmod -a doesn't work properly during image builds | 22:07 |
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| smoku | Sage: it should, but you need to specify the kernel version | 22:16 |
| smoku | (if you don't it takes the running one) | 22:16 |
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| Sage | smoku: hmmp | 22:29 |
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| Sage | hmmp, x-loader or u-boot I just compiled neither works with panda :P | 22:36 |
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