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| dcthang | anyone knows the images for N9? | 05:35 |
| dcthang | Looks like there are only images for N950/N900 atm | 05:36 |
| dcthang | http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt | 05:36 |
| dm8tbr | dcthang: the n950 image should work on the n9 I guess, you just need to boot it jon's way | 05:39 |
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| dcthang | dm8tbr: thanks. I will continue with it | 05:57 |
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| Stskeeps | morn iekku | 06:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ieatlint: any news on taku? | 06:44 |
| ieatlint | i've got none... | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 06:44 |
| ieatlint | a little over a week ago, i created docs for nokia, but i've been busy with work since | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:45 |
| ieatlint | i'll be at dev days in san francisco, and will have a little more time for it then | 06:45 |
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| vgrade | morning, all | 07:07 |
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| vgrade | mdavey, hi | 07:07 |
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| mdavey | good morning vgrade | 07:14 |
| vgrade | design finalised for new board, not long now | 07:23 |
| vgrade | are they planning a small run before ramping up? | 07:23 |
| mdavey | yup | 07:29 |
| mdavey | they'll have at least one beta run of ~50 boards to work out any final hardware/routing bugs | 07:30 |
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| dm8tbr | nowaday's green-wire fixes are becoming increasingly hard to implement :) | 07:31 |
| mdavey | where can I find a list of the packages in mer or meego? | 07:32 |
| mdavey | http://merproject.org:2080/project/packages?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase seems to be broken | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | mdavey: http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi | 07:32 |
| mdavey | thanks and good morning stskeeps | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=packages.xml;h=06ef1916b5769ec2af07a5f4dcbf701923407cb7;hb=HEAD is more authorative but harder to read | 07:32 |
| mdavey | vgrade, can you remind me o fthe footprint of mer on meego atm. ? | 07:35 |
| mdavey | mer on raspberry pi even | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | memory or disk? | 07:39 |
| mdavey | either or both | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | for comparison purposes, i had an older mer with qmlviewer+ofono+bluez+connman+xorg+full gles in 37mb on n900 | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | and this is even with SGX's notorious 7mb per-app buffer | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | (RAM) | 07:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: BTW, glibc in mer is 2.13 and 2.14 exists as well | 08:01 |
| * Sage ponders when he talked about glibc | 08:03 | |
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| Stskeeps | we were discussing old components | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | .. at some point | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:04 |
| Sage | 2.14.1 is the latest btw ;) | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 08:04 |
| Sage | is there a etherpad that we could use? | 08:05 |
| Sage | excelpad? :P | 08:05 |
| Sage | name, mer version, upstream version | 08:05 |
| Sage | Also notes should state how many patches we have on that package. So how easy it is to just update to new one. | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | mer has ~1400 .patch files | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:08 |
| Sage | or well have: name, mer version, patches, upstream version | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | 300 of them is vim, i think ;) | 08:08 |
| Sage | o_0 | 08:08 |
| Sage | and another 300 pulseaudio? | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 08:08 |
| Sage | so after that only ~3 patches per pacakge | 08:09 |
| Sage | I think most of those could be just upstream as meego's upstream first policy didn't work so well | 08:09 |
| Sage | and many probably are already fixed in upstream | 08:09 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: 300 patches for *vim*? | 08:10 |
| w00t | o.O | 08:10 |
| Sage | lol, and we have the latest vim version 7.3 :P | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | exagrrating a bit | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:11 |
| Sage | yes, a bit there is only ~180 patches in vim. | 08:12 |
| Sage | :) | 08:12 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, we should probably update rpm as well to 4.9.1.2 from the 4.9 we have | 08:13 |
| w00t | otoh, those patches seem to be from the author | 08:14 |
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| sethstorm | the preferred way to install on the 8x0's is now flashing (since it appears that the tspre "simple installer" is a dead link from maemo.org) | 08:16 |
| sethstorm | ? | 08:16 |
| sethstorm | er, is the preferred | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | sethstorm: old mer is quite dead | 08:20 |
| sethstorm | ah | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | sethstorm: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 08:20 |
| sethstorm | ok, thanks | 08:21 |
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| dcthang | Stskeeps: have u flash Nemo for N9? :) | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: i don't own a N9 :) | 08:30 |
| dcthang | a pity :P | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | dcthang: what issues are you running into? | 08:42 |
| dcthang | ah I follow the guide from this one http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt | 08:43 |
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| dcthang | but never passed Step 5 | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | OK, so, are you perfectly fine with not being able to dual boot? | 08:43 |
| dcthang | yes | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, make sure that you do not use any kind of security lock / security code on the device | 08:43 |
| dcthang | ok, so where I can check that? might be from its system settings | 08:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: Error message: HTTP server doesn't seem to support byte ranges. Cannot resume. | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, if it asks you for a code when booting up thats not a PIN code.. | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: uhh.. | 08:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: something missing from mer release server? | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: on where | 08:44 |
| dcthang | ah no. it doesn't have | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: OK, does it show the warranty message when you load the kernel+initrd? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: releases.merproject.org? | 08:45 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2871239 | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'll take a look | 08:45 |
| dcthang | yes, it here http://pastebin.com/ZyJ83ZJe | 08:46 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: thx | 08:46 |
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| Stskeeps | it should really work | 08:47 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: the gpg check error seems to be gone from the latest mer release so improvement | 08:47 |
| Sage | I can actually install packages now :) | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: take out USB cable, turn off device complete, start flasher as root, put in usb cable | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | start device if it doesn't on it's own | 08:48 |
| * Sage can't reach build.meego.com | 08:48 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i don't see anything that would disable resume in my apache conf | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | and typically people ask how to disable it | 08:48 |
| Sage | disabled by default so you would need to enable it? :) | 08:49 |
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| Sage | it might be just cache problem on my device, cleaning the cache and retrying. | 08:50 |
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| Sage | mdfe_: how did the plasma mw work for you? | 08:51 |
| Sage | mdfe_: tried already? | 08:52 |
| mdfe_ | moin Sage | 08:52 |
| mdfe_ | Greate job :) | 08:52 |
| mdfe_ | sadly I have not the time at the moment to build an image and to try it out on my own :( | 08:54 |
| Sage | that is ok, don't worry. Just asked if someone has tried :) | 08:54 |
| Sage | mainly asking if there are things that needs fixing | 08:55 |
| mdfe_ | looks fine for me | 08:55 |
| mdfe_ | One thing is to be improved inside the kde devel project | 08:56 |
| mdfe_ | the plasma-mobile package needs a repository related spec file | 08:56 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: on some reasons kdepim does not build against CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl | 08:58 |
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| dcthang | Stskeeps: after starting flasher as root, put usb cable in I got the result http://pastebin.com/XbuV2vMT | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | that looks good | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | and warranty message on screen? | 09:00 |
| dcthang | and in my computer I can't see any partition | 09:00 |
| dcthang | any partitions as the guide describes | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | on screen = on n9 screen | 09:01 |
| dcthang | wait me a bit | 09:01 |
| dcthang | NO, only showing "Nokia" word | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | can you show me the flasher command line you did? | 09:02 |
| dcthang | sudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 --boot | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | looks correct | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | dcthang: ah | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: use flasher-3.5, i can't promise that works with the harmattan flasher | 09:06 |
| dcthang | I use this one: flasher 3.12.1 (Oct 5 2011) Harmattan | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know | 09:06 |
| dcthang | ah ok | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | flasher-3.5 from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 09:07 |
| dcthang | yeah, I know that place :P | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | get that one instead :P | 09:07 |
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| dcthang | so with flasher 3.5, the output is http://pastebin.com/yuKnd5cf | 09:10 |
| dcthang | I can't see /dev/sdX* either | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok: | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | [10:30:29]<Stskeeps> flasher-3.5 from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php - and grab http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptatio | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | n-n950-bootloader and http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | [10:30:45]<Stskeeps> then flasher-3.5 -l -k vmlinuz* -n initrd* -b | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | that should show a warranty screen for sure | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | on the n9 | 09:13 |
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| dcthang | okay | 09:18 |
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| dcthang | Stskeeps: the same output http://pastebin.com/vT4c7Tv0 | 09:23 |
| dcthang | and no warranty screen on N9 | 09:24 |
| dcthang | it shows "Nokia" on the screen | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: is this a retail N9? | 09:27 |
| dcthang | yes | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: charge the battery fully and try again | 09:28 |
| dcthang | okay | 09:29 |
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| lbt | morning | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:37 |
| lbt | can I stop worker on phost2 for a bit? | 09:37 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 09:38 | |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: The build issue of kdepim in Project:KDE:Devel for CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl is because webkit is to old in collaboration with qt-4.8~.. | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | if you wait 5 minutes, then yes | 09:38 |
| lbt | ok | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | got a build going related to my today's work so | 09:38 |
| lbt | loads of openvpn/SSL cert issues last night - seem cleared up - need to check vpn on phost2 to confirm | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | go ahead | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | stopped worker myself | 09:40 |
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| lbt | done, vpn working | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | so i can restart it? | 09:47 |
| lbt | y | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:48 |
| Sage | mdfe_: ah, that is mer thing that is currently beeing worked at | 09:48 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: cool :) | 09:49 |
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| dcthang | Stskeeps: Can I start with that with battery's status 32%? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: get it to 50% for good measure | 10:04 |
| dcthang | okay so about 1 hour | 10:04 |
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| w00t | Qt-knowledgable people: http://review.merproject.org/#change,130 needs review | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | is it upstreamed yet | 10:25 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: I've discussed it with them now, am submitting MRs | 10:26 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: we are still missing alsa-utils package btw. | 10:26 |
| w00t | I don't hold hope it'll actually get in given it's 4.8-only material | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yes | 10:26 |
| w00t | (but I'll try) | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: that might explain some audio problems i guess | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: did we have a working package anywhere? | 10:28 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: not yet, searching atm. | 10:28 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: compiling alsa-utils in home:sage:Mer:Utils atm. | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:36 |
| Sage | if that builds we should probably add that to mer core | 10:36 |
| Sage | hmm... requires xmlto | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | can be dropped i think | 10:38 |
| Sage | I think so too | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | and yes i agree | 10:38 |
| Sage | Is there a process how to submit new package through gerrit btw? | 10:38 |
| Sage | I could smoketest that if there is | 10:39 |
| dcthang | Stskeeps: 60% level of battery and after flashing it has the same result. No warranty message shows up on the N9 | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: ok, i'm not sure why that is | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: there's no good procedure atm, it's on my list | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i do a list of manual steps | 10:40 |
| dcthang | but is it a crucial point? we have to that warranty message? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: yes | 10:40 |
| dcthang | ah my N9, black with 16GB | 10:40 |
| Sage | warranty message? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: the one when you load a unsigned kernel | 10:41 |
| w00t | xruxa: note: chive got renamed to nemomobile | 10:41 |
| w00t | you will need to update your repository urls etc | 10:41 |
| xruxa | ok, np | 10:41 |
| w00t | Sage: got a github login? | 10:41 |
| Sage | w00t: saukko | 10:42 |
| w00t | Sage: access added | 10:44 |
| w00t | go forth and create repositories, or something | 10:44 |
| Sage | w00t: at some point this week :) | 10:44 |
| w00t | yeah, no hurry | 10:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: Problem: nothing provides dialog needed by alsa-utils-1.0.24.2-3.1.Mer.armv7l | 10:45 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: should we have dialog in mer? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | no, and its not needed for alsa-utils | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | the script functions without and is just a bug reportng tool | 10:45 |
| Sage | ok | 10:45 |
| Sage | removing that dep | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm importing entire fedora source packages for fun to my OBS | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | just to see how spec file compatible we are | 10:46 |
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| javier | hi | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 10:52 |
| javier | I'm trying to build Plasma Active image based on Devel and I'm seeing lots of missing packages | 10:52 |
| javier | ie: utilities like wget | 10:52 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ok, now that alsa-utils package installs on my armv7l panda at least | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:53 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/2871664 <- getting this error though but that is on hw adaptation | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | javier: hmm, talk to mdfe? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | javier: recall mer is quite minimal so there's some things on top you have to add yourself | 10:53 |
| javier | ok | 10:54 |
| javier | he's busy atm | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | what .ks did you base off? | 10:55 |
| javier | I will try removing the not found packages | 10:55 |
| javier | it's based on the one we have for meego | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:55 |
| javier | I expanded the meego groups into packages | 10:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, that might give issues :) | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111104.1.CE.2011-11-10.1/images/nemo-handset-ia32-testing/nemo-handset-ia32-testing-0.20111104.1.CE.2011-11-10.1.ks | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | @Mer package groups | 10:56 |
| javier | ah there are already package groups | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | we're hoping to get a saner base .ks that it's easy to use and inherit from | 10:59 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/blobs/master/configs/Nemo/configurations.yaml | 11:02 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: so using the Inherit now | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:03 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: however that inherit should be extended so that it would allow loading the stuff to inherit from other files. | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:03 |
| Sage | but good start anyway | 11:03 |
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| Sage | we probably should add pulseaudio-modules-x11 as well to some group | 11:05 |
| Sage | that default Xorg and remove the Xorg from there actually :D | 11:05 |
| Sage | leave auth and pulse there :) | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:06 |
| Sage | I'll do a patch for that | 11:06 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/131 | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 11:11 |
| dcthang | Stskeeps: Do you have any ways to flash it in your mind with that situation? | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | dcthang: try to upgrade it | 11:22 |
| dcthang | you mean upgrading firmware or? | 11:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have any idea without a serial connection and on the n9 it's, erm, difficult to get to | 11:24 |
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| dcthang | but all up-to-date :) | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | dcthang: sure? i thought PR1.1 existed for n9 | 11:35 |
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| veskuh1 | Stskeeps: yes, it's out but not necessarily on all countries over the air. | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:36 |
| dcthang | 10.2011.34-1_PR_005 | 11:37 |
| veskuh1 | that would be PR1.0 | 11:37 |
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| dcthang | I did check but can | 11:45 |
| dcthang | not see any thing needs to be updated. All is up-to-date | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok, not sure what i can diagnose with then | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | it should show a warranty message for sure or it hasn't succesfully loaded the kernel | 11:46 |
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| Sage | glib2 update http://review.merproject.org/132 | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: it'll be queued for teting | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | testing | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | (BOSS is getting re-setup) | 12:45 |
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| Sage | ca-certificates? | 12:49 |
| Sage | err, wrong chan | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | random statistic: Fedora (1982 packages), in core OS, 650 packages is immediately schedule-able with satisfied dependancies against mer | 12:50 |
| slaine | I don't understand that last 1/3 of the above sentence | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: i am building fedora's os/ srpm against mer for fun | 12:53 |
| slaine | oh | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | to see how many packages are immediately usable | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | and out of those 1982 packages i imported, 650 can start building right away, on my OBS | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | as their build dependancies are satisfied | 12:55 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: that's interesting | 13:03 |
| av500 | so fedora is the mer upstream? | 13:04 |
| w00t | av500: no | 13:05 |
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| w00t | av500: taking random packages and seeing if they build _on top of_ mer | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | upstream implies we use similar infrastructures/strictly tied to what they do and use same base system | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | ..but of course simplified we could say it's an upstream | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | maybe not the | 13:06 |
| w00t | yeah, that's probably more accurate | 13:06 |
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| w00t | if we can share some work with them, that's of course good | 13:06 |
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| Stskeeps | it's no denying meego came from fedora packages | 13:06 |
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| _Thomas | Stskeeps: If we have a working linux kernel, and OpenGL-drivers (and EGL), is there some ready-made rootfs for mer that I can use to get the OS working? :) | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: fairly easy to construct one, we just don't do it as part of release process right now | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | which would you like? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | armv7 softfp? | 13:25 |
| _Thomas | Which, what? :) | 13:25 |
| _Thomas | Don't care anymore, have source for OpenGL-drivers :D | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | hardfp it is | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 13:26 |
| pabs3 | _Thomas: source? | 13:26 |
| _Thomas | pabs3: source code | 13:26 |
| chouchoune | pabs3: he didn't say "open" ;) | 13:26 |
| pabs3 | I see :( | 13:26 |
| _Thomas | chouchoune: Correct observation :) | 13:27 |
| pabs3 | which hardware? | 13:27 |
| _Thomas | Exynos 4210-based | 13:27 |
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| chouchoune | samsung ? | 13:28 |
| _Thomas | Samsung is the chip-maker, yes | 13:28 |
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| pabs3 | so the driver is for Mali then | 13:28 |
| _Thomas | Samsung Exynos 4210 is the same chip that's inside the Samsung Galaxy S2 I9100 | 13:28 |
| _Thomas | Yes, the drivers are for Mali 400 | 13:28 |
| chouchoune | _Thomas: who are you working for ? ;) | 13:29 |
| _Thomas | http://fxitech.com | 13:29 |
| chouchoune | great | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | 'coming soon' :) | 13:29 |
| _Thomas | We're hiring kernel hackers / embedded developers these days | 13:29 |
| chouchoune | tells me a lot about the company ;) | 13:29 |
| pabs3 | I guess you are not in the position to influence the driver's openness? | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: making you a sd card image for armv7hl | 13:30 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Nice :) | 13:30 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Yeah, website is down until tomorrow evening | 13:30 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: When we have the launch event in NY | 13:30 |
| _Thomas | On Friday we expect some coverage in the media regarding our product | 13:31 |
| chouchoune | which is ... :P | 13:31 |
| av500 | social | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | av500 wins the buzzword bingo | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 13:31 |
| av500 | \o/ | 13:32 |
| _Thomas | http://www.finn.no/finn/job/fulltime/object?finnkode=31605809 | 13:32 |
| _Thomas | There's a description in english there | 13:32 |
| _Thomas | That's the closest to anything I have right now | 13:32 |
| av500 | ...Since then the concept has evolved into putting complete application processors onto memory devices... | 13:32 |
| _Thomas | Our current product is a usb-stick with hdmi in one end, and usb in the other | 13:33 |
| av500 | 3D-DIMMs | 13:33 |
| _Thomas | yepp | 13:33 |
| _Thomas | that's another thing we're looking into | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: exynos was dual core right? | 13:33 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Yupp | 13:34 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: We'll get quad core next year | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | alright, let me know if you see any oddities | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | i can only personally test on single-core arm so | 13:34 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: ok | 13:34 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: You should buy a device in January then :) | 13:34 |
| chouchoune | _Thomas: which will cost ... ;) | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | i should really donate some of my older boards away | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | to make room for more toys | 13:35 |
| _Thomas | chouchoune: First version is a bit expensive, around 175 usd | 13:35 |
| _Thomas | chouchoune: Ramping up we have a target of 99 usd | 13:35 |
| chouchoune | ok | 13:35 |
| _Thomas | expect to hit it late next year, but don't know yet | 13:35 |
| _Thomas | We got the first prototype in august, it's going a bit fast these days ;) | 13:36 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: buy a new house | 13:36 |
| av500 | what does it do? | 13:36 |
| chouchoune | to put all your things and more | 13:36 |
| _Thomas | av500: Whatever you want it to ;) | 13:36 |
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| _Thomas | av500: It can run android and ubuntu, and most probably Mer | 13:37 |
| av500 | Stskeeps: feel free to donate pics and descriptions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/sets/72157624533739048/ | 13:37 |
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| _Thomas | av500: Dev. kit, mediacenter, private computer, whatever you want (not a cell, tho, we don't have GSM/3G on it) | 13:38 |
| _Thomas | it does have bt and wifi | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: bzip'ing up the image, rootfs is ~236mb uncompressed | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | boots to qmlviewer possibly | 13:41 |
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| _Thomas | Stskeeps: cool | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok, it would boot to qmlviewer if you installed it ;) | 13:42 |
| _Thomas | but you didn't in the rootfs, so I need to install and then reboot to get it to boot into qmlviewer? :) | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much, but openssh should be open | 13:43 |
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| slaine | _Thomas: what differentiates your product from something like a RasberryPi ? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | i guess oomph is a start | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | dualcore armv7 | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | with mali graphics | 13:47 |
| slaine | that broadcom SoC can do some good graphics too though. But yeah, beefier spec | 13:48 |
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| Stskeeps | _Thomas: http://www.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-mer-core-armv7hl-1.2.90.20111116.1428-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: kickstart file is http://www.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-armv7hl.ks | 13:52 |
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| Bhavesh_ | Can I install Ubuntu 10.10 on my Nokia 5233 with mer? http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_5233-3390.php | 14:22 |
| Bhavesh_ | 128MB | 14:22 |
| leinir | The question you should ask is, does it run Symbian? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | if you can crack the bootloader, boot a linux kernel and implement drivers for all devices including baseband, then yes | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | but i would say the first part is hard | 14:23 |
| leinir | *nods* | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | and the ubuntu 10.10 part is just odd | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:23 |
| leinir | Hehe, yeah ;) | 14:23 |
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| Bhavesh_ | This vid shows mer boot loader running? so isnt it just the bootloader I have to install? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMwlchuqsXo | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | OK, so, mer isn't a bootloader :) | 14:26 |
| Bhavesh_ | lol | 14:26 |
| Bhavesh_ | ok | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | and that's on a nokia n900, very very different than a 5233 | 14:26 |
| Bhavesh_ | Isn't there a menu to select boot priority like BIOS on PC's on 5233 by default? | 14:27 |
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| Bhavesh_ | if I just wanted to boot a live image installed on microSD | 14:27 |
| veskuh1 | no, phones are closed devices. | 14:27 |
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| Bhavesh_ | ok | 14:29 |
| pabs3 | sucks but mostly true :( | 14:29 |
| Bhavesh_ | so any idea what will I have to do to get a boot menu or boot from microSD? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | Bhavesh_: you can't on a phone like that | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | sorry | 14:29 |
| Bhavesh_ | ok | 14:30 |
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| Bhavesh_ | Stskeeps: But why not? It has 128MB RAM, enough to run an older Ubuntu version or lubuntu or silaz? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | Bhavesh_: because you cannot install anything else than nokia's OS on it | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | simple as that | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | the one that comes with it | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's locked down | 14:32 |
| Bhavesh_ | isnt flashing or "hacking" it an option? | 14:33 |
| Bhavesh_ | I dont know any of that.. | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't | 14:33 |
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| Bhavesh_ | ok | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | 209 fedora packages suceeded, 19 failed, so far | 14:58 |
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| harbaum | Stskeeps: I always admire your patience with people who don't have a clue but make all kind of suggestions what someone else might easily do for them | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: the hope is that at least 1 in of 100 clueless people, someone will understand something and actually learn and contribute something back :P | 15:06 |
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| mdfe_ | hi all, is there a strace package available? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, no, just copy it from meego i guess | 15:28 |
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| mdfe_ | hmm, does copypac work in collaboration with an remove obs? | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | we should really get that Mer utilities repository going someday | 15:30 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | just grab the srpm and osc importsrcpkg | 15:30 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: thanks | 15:32 |
| mdfe_ | osc importsrcpkg works fine :) | 15:40 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: will ccache be part of core or should I still maintain my own build? | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | mm, may be part of utils | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | though it might speed up builds a bit | 17:04 |
| smoku | i keep it in :tools repository and then link the :tools repository to the repo I want to use osc build --cache with | 17:05 |
| smoku | it would be way easier if it just was in :Core :) | 17:05 |
| smoku | (it's being installed in the osc chroot) | 17:06 |
| smoku | it won't speed up OBS builds as I understand these construct rootfs from scratch everytime | 17:07 |
| smoku | but it speeds up local builds a lot when packaging | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | so backlogged | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | 2011-11-16 17:51:22.926904500 "invalid: Not a .py file") | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | 2011-11-16 17:51:22.926946500 SkyNET.Exo.ParticipantConfigError: Option 'code' for section 'participant' is invalid: Not a .py file | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | wth | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:55 |
| lbt | mmm | 17:55 |
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| lbt | maybe a little more context? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | make_participant and it gives me this looping | 17:56 |
| lbt | on mer boss machine | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, merproject, disabled/stopped them for now | 17:57 |
| lbt | so ... did this used to work and you upgraded? | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | it's a newly installed boss machine | 17:57 |
| lbt | OK - so I saw phaeron mention "upgrade" earlier today | 17:58 |
| lbt | which I know nothing about atm | 17:58 |
| lbt | so lessee | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | home/mersbc/boss-workflow/participants | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | see Makefile for what i did to register (as root) | 17:59 |
| * lbt shouldnt' use zypper on debian | 18:00 | |
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| lbt | yeah - they screwed up ... must be all those test frameworks.... | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | any immediate fix | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:08 |
| lbt | yes | 18:11 |
| lbt | although not that immediate apparently | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:12 |
| lbt | your files need a .py extension | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 18:12 |
| lbt | let me hack | 18:12 |
| lbt | yeah... I know | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | bbl ~45mi | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | n | 18:13 |
| lbt | ok | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok, 10 more minutes it seems | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | i can rename to .py if that helps | 18:15 |
| lbt | it's OK | 18:16 |
| lbt | done that | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | so i should reload? | 18:17 |
| lbt | all done | 18:17 |
| lbt | I renamed, uninstalled, reinstalled, | 18:18 |
| lbt | skynet log $(skynet list --all) | 18:18 |
| lbt | is also useful | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:18 |
| lbt | silly little constraint they put it | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | except now the queues are called .py too | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | aren't they | 18:18 |
| lbt | yes, annoyingly | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | and the participants too i presume | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | how does ruote react to participant.py in a process | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:19 |
| lbt | it'll be too well written to mind | 18:19 |
| lbt | I need to look at the changes here | 18:20 |
| lbt | your make register could be unexpected | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok, think i'll deregister then and fix things around a bit.. | 18:20 |
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| lbt | yeah - maybe register -n $(basename $$x) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 18:21 |
| lbt | with a .py | 18:21 |
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| lbt | I think the intention was something about making each participant a module | 18:22 |
| lbt | you removed 'em | 18:22 |
| lbt | skynet reload has a "-a" option btw | 18:23 |
| lbt | and I installed bash-completeion .. which skynet has | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | better | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | now up and running | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'll do some tests later tonight | 18:28 |
| w00t | vgrade: ever had experience with /var/cache/meego-bootstrap being empty (and how to fix it)? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | say the mainrepo thing | 18:29 |
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| w00t | vgrade: never mind, mic-create-bootstrap appears to have fixed that | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | please wiki that somewhere | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: how do i kill processes? | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | like, remove them from existence | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | if they're stuck on an error | 19:57 |
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| lbt | easy with boss-viewer | 19:59 |
| lbt | http://boss:9292/_ruote | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | is boss-viewer documented anywhere? | 19:59 |
| lbt | not specially - that's plain ruote | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 20:00 |
| lbt | we've not done anything with it yet | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | so how would i kill a process there | 20:00 |
| lbt | you browse to it, look for the one you want to kill, click, and click on "kill" :) | 20:01 |
| lbt | oh, then press "yes" | 20:01 |
| lbt | the tricky bit.... "look for the one you want to kill" | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:02 |
| lbt | sec... setting up route | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | i've set up boss-viewer already | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:03 |
| lbt | yeah - I want to see the screen to talk you through it | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah ok | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | i discovered :name => so it's a bit easier to see what's going on :P | 20:05 |
| lbt | yes. that helps | 20:05 |
| smoku | is COBS slow only for me or for everyone? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: slow for me too | 20:07 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: thx | 20:07 |
| lbt | unknown participant or subprocess 'mer_gerrit_checkobsolete | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes i fixed the error already | 20:07 |
| lbt | ah hold on then | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | added the proper participant, had forgotten it | 20:08 |
| lbt | you can "retry" | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok, under errors? | 20:08 |
| lbt | yes | 20:08 |
| lbt | click on the error | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | right..? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | and delete the error? | 20:08 |
| lbt | we won't do this... but the easy way is to delete | 20:08 |
| lbt | yes | 20:08 |
| lbt | bad name | 20:08 |
| lbt | however... click on the 'expression' link | 20:09 |
| lbt | too late | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:09 |
| lbt | you clicked ot | 20:09 |
| lbt | nm... there'll be plenty more | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | any way i can view the current workitem anywhere? | 20:09 |
| lbt | not anymore :) | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok :P | 20:09 |
| lbt | it's "out" now | 20:10 |
| lbt | hmm | 20:10 |
| lbt | OK ... click on the process | 20:10 |
| lbt | then the expression | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | right..? | 20:11 |
| lbt | looks like concurrence? | 20:11 |
| lbt | anyhow.. | 20:11 |
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| lbt | the table is overlaid with the gfx | 20:12 |
| lbt | there's a "re-apply" text link | 20:12 |
| lbt | pale grey - click it | 20:12 |
| lbt | you get areaboxes | 20:12 |
| lbt | top one has the wi in it | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm on http://boss:9292/_ruote/expressions/20111116-bisodujana | 20:12 |
| lbt | ok ... see the list of fei | 20:13 |
| lbt | kinda like a stack | 20:13 |
| lbt | 0_0_8_1 | 20:13 |
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| lbt | http://127.0.0.1:9229/_ruote/expressions/0_0_8_1!78c6a3ba770cbad9377dee719ea604d4!20111116-bisodujana | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | right, i don't see the wi anywhere | 20:14 |
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| lbt | no, you're looking for "re-apply" | 20:14 |
| lbt | see the table on the left | 20:14 |
| lbt | bottom row | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah! | 20:15 |
| lbt | far right | 20:15 |
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| lbt | yeah | 20:15 |
| lbt | occluded | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | that's way too hidden | 20:15 |
| lbt | bad css | 20:15 |
| lbt | hint ... don't hit "re-apply" ... bad things will prolly happen | 20:15 |
| lbt | in the case of an error you'd come here, possibly tweak the wi | 20:16 |
| lbt | maybe even tweak the process tree | 20:16 |
| lbt | then re-apply | 20:16 |
| lbt | eg changing the process step to "noop" is a good way to skip a step that's broken | 20:16 |
| lbt | think of this as gdb for ruote | 20:17 |
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| lbt | but with no "step" command :( | 20:17 |
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| lbt | dcp_commit -pm"Install boss-viewer" boss | 20:22 |
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| Stskeeps | yes yes | 20:23 |
| lbt | :) | 20:23 |
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| Stskeeps | 670 successful fedora packages | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | 38 of those failed | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | (so far) | 20:28 |
| lbt | about time build.merproject.org resolved eh? | 20:28 |
| _Thomas | Stskeeps: Thx for the files, will test as soon as we get our latest 3.2-version of the kernel working :) | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | still not fond of the idea of 'the' mer obs.. | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | _Thomas: np | 20:30 |
| lbt | it's the same as meego .... but only boss has an account | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | mm, true | 20:30 |
| lbt | no home projects, no branches... just janitorial? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to get a little further in the automation before really determining anything about that builder | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | and well, the obs 2.3 ove | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | move | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | because right now releases don't happen on their own and i'd like them to :) | 20:32 |
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| lbt | at the moment the OBS 'just' prepares a release and public API is fakeobs isn't it? | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much yeah | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | but still manual work | 20:35 |
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| Stskeeps | also, i think i might have a hiccup about revisions / vrev somewhere | 20:35 |
| lbt | well I'm still drowning in infra but feeling a little more in touch with the building | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | i think we're (finally) getting a bit above water with the whole infra thing :P | 20:36 |
| lbt | would like to just give the obs a name and a cert so we're secure | 20:36 |
| lbt | finalise LDAP | 20:36 |
| lbt | mmm | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | my plans are: gerrit vm setup tomorrow | 20:37 |
| lbt | although you're right - it's not a public OBS | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | and look into ldap for that | 20:37 |
| lbt | so maybe not the place to register new accounts | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | is the current certs cacert signed or? | 20:38 |
| lbt | see bugs.merproject.org | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | chrome isn't terribly informative | 20:39 |
| lbt | there's a Mer CA cert | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:39 |
| lbt | if you trust that then all our sites will be fine | 20:39 |
| lbt | so we should send a mail out with the md5 of it and then publish it on merproject.org somewhere | 20:39 |
| lbt | build.boss.merproject.org? | 20:41 |
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| lbt | permits build.pub and other things later | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a little uncertain how people react to getting a cert 'error' in their faces when trying to report a bug | 20:42 |
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| lbt | I think they're likely very used to it | 20:42 |
| lbt | we can buy proper certs in a few months | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | i still think main signup should be the main webpage | 20:45 |
| lbt | I don't disagree | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | for gerrit i'll need 29418 tcp forwarded, rest is just mod_proxy btw | 20:46 |
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| lbt | can I do the gerrit setup | 20:46 |
| lbt | I assume you've documented it properly :) | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | install debian, rsync | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:46 |
| lbt | mmm | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | (seriously) | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, you can | 20:47 |
| lbt | did you remove fail2ban from phost2? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | no | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | not to my knowledge, at least | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | let's discuss gerrit tomorrow | 20:50 |
| lbt | OK - I'll make a VM | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | squeeze | 20:50 |
| lbt | and look for simple account creation | 20:50 |
| lbt | *nod* | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | oh and it needs openjdk/jre :P | 20:50 |
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| lbt | oh good, I expected sun-jdk | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | seriously though, it's encapsulated nicely in a directory with a nice start/stop .sh :P | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 20:52 |
| lbt | o/ | 20:52 |
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