Wednesday, 2011-11-16

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dcthanganyone knows the images for N9?05:35
dcthangLooks like there are only images for N950/N900  atm05:36
dcthanghttp://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt05:36
dm8tbrdcthang: the n950 image should work on the n9 I guess, you just need to boot it jon's way05:39
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dcthangdm8tbr: thanks. I will continue with it05:57
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Stskeepsmorn iekku06:21
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Stskeepsieatlint: any news on taku?06:44
ieatlinti've got none...06:44
Stskeepsalright06:44
ieatlinta little over a week ago, i created docs for nokia, but i've been busy with work since06:44
Stskeeps:nod:06:45
ieatlinti'll be at dev days in san francisco, and will have a little more time for it then06:45
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vgrademorning, all07:07
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vgrademdavey, hi07:07
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mdaveygood morning vgrade07:14
vgradedesign finalised for new board, not long now07:23
vgradeare they planning a small run before ramping up?07:23
mdaveyyup07:29
mdaveythey'll have at least one beta run of ~50 boards to work out any final hardware/routing bugs07:30
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dm8tbrnowaday's green-wire fixes are becoming increasingly hard to implement :)07:31
mdaveywhere can I find a list of the packages in mer or meego?07:32
mdaveyhttp://merproject.org:2080/project/packages?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase seems to be broken07:32
Stskeepsmdavey: http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi07:32
mdaveythanks and good morning stskeeps07:32
Stskeepshttp://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=packages.xml;h=06ef1916b5769ec2af07a5f4dcbf701923407cb7;hb=HEAD is more authorative but harder to read07:32
mdaveyvgrade, can you remind me o fthe footprint of mer on meego atm. ?07:35
mdaveymer on raspberry pi even07:38
Stskeepsmemory or disk?07:39
mdaveyeither or both07:39
Stskeepsfor comparison purposes, i had an older mer with qmlviewer+ofono+bluez+connman+xorg+full gles in 37mb on n90007:41
Stskeepsand this is even with SGX's notorious 7mb per-app buffer07:41
Stskeeps(RAM)07:41
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StskeepsSage: BTW, glibc in mer is 2.13 and 2.14 exists as well08:01
* Sage ponders when he talked about glibc08:03
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Stskeepswe were discussing old components08:04
Stskeeps.. at some point08:04
Stskeeps:P08:04
Sage2.14.1 is the latest btw ;)08:04
Stskeepsyeah, true08:04
Sageis there a etherpad that we could use?08:05
Sageexcelpad? :P08:05
Sagename, mer version, upstream version08:05
SageAlso notes should state how many patches we have on that package. So how easy it is to just update to new one.08:07
Stskeepsmer has ~1400 .patch files08:08
Stskeeps:P08:08
Sageor well have: name, mer version, patches, upstream version08:08
Stskeeps300 of them is vim, i think ;)08:08
Sageo_008:08
Sageand another 300 pulseaudio?08:08
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Stskeepsyeah..08:08
Sageso after that only ~3 patches per pacakge08:09
SageI think most of those could be just upstream as meego's upstream first policy didn't work so well08:09
Sageand many probably are already fixed in upstream08:09
w00tStskeeps: 300 patches for *vim*?08:10
w00to.O08:10
Sagelol, and we have the latest vim version 7.3 :P08:11
Stskeepsexagrrating a bit08:11
Stskeeps:P08:11
Sageyes, a bit there is only ~180 patches in vim.08:12
Sage:)08:12
SageStskeeps: btw, we should probably update rpm as well to 4.9.1.2 from the 4.9 we have08:13
w00totoh, those patches seem to be from the author08:14
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sethstormthe preferred way to install on the 8x0's is now flashing (since it appears that the tspre "simple installer" is a dead link from maemo.org)08:16
sethstorm?08:16
sethstormer, is the preferred08:17
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Stskeepssethstorm: old mer is quite dead08:20
sethstormah08:20
Stskeepssethstorm: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x008:20
sethstormok, thanks08:21
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dcthangStskeeps: have u flash Nemo for N9? :)08:30
Stskeepsdcthang: i don't own a N9 :)08:30
dcthanga pity :P08:31
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Stskeepsdcthang: what issues are you running into?08:42
dcthangah I follow the guide from this one http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt08:43
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dcthangbut never passed Step 508:43
StskeepsOK, so, are you perfectly fine with not being able to dual boot?08:43
dcthangyes08:43
Stskeepsok, make sure that you do not use any kind of security lock / security code on the device08:43
dcthangok, so where I can check that? might be from its system settings08:44
SageStskeeps: Error message: HTTP server doesn't seem to support byte ranges. Cannot resume.08:44
Stskeepswell, if it asks you for a code when booting up thats not a PIN code..08:44
StskeepsSage: uhh..08:44
SageStskeeps: something missing from mer release server?08:44
StskeepsSage: on where08:44
dcthangah no. it doesn't have08:44
Stskeepsdcthang: OK, does it show the warranty message when you load the kernel+initrd?08:45
StskeepsSage: releases.merproject.org?08:45
SageStskeeps: http://pastie.org/287123908:45
StskeepsSage: i'll take a look08:45
dcthangyes, it here http://pastebin.com/ZyJ83ZJe08:46
SageStskeeps: thx08:46
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Stskeepsit should really work08:47
SageStskeeps: the gpg check error seems to be gone from the latest mer release so improvement08:47
SageI can actually install packages now :)08:47
Stskeepsdcthang: take out USB cable, turn off device complete, start flasher as root, put in usb cable08:47
Stskeepsstart device if it doesn't on it's own08:48
* Sage can't reach build.meego.com08:48
StskeepsSage: i don't see anything that would disable resume in my apache conf08:48
Stskeepsand typically people ask how to disable it08:48
Sagedisabled by default so you would need to enable it? :)08:49
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Sageit might be just cache problem on my device, cleaning the cache and retrying.08:50
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Sagemdfe_: how did the plasma mw work for you?08:51
Sagemdfe_: tried already?08:52
mdfe_moin Sage08:52
mdfe_Greate job :)08:52
mdfe_sadly I have not the time at the moment to build an image and to try it out on my own :(08:54
Sagethat is ok, don't worry. Just asked if someone has tried :)08:54
Sagemainly asking if there are things that needs fixing08:55
mdfe_looks fine for me08:55
mdfe_One thing is to be improved inside the kde devel project08:56
mdfe_the plasma-mobile package needs a repository related spec file08:56
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mdfe_Sage: on some reasons kdepim does not build against CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl08:58
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dcthangStskeeps: after starting flasher as root, put usb cable in I got the result http://pastebin.com/XbuV2vMT09:00
Stskeepsthat looks good09:00
Stskeepsand warranty message on screen?09:00
dcthangand in my computer I can't see any partition09:00
dcthangany partitions  as the guide describes09:01
Stskeepson screen = on n9 screen09:01
dcthangwait me a bit09:01
dcthangNO, only showing "Nokia" word09:02
Stskeepscan you show me the flasher command line you did?09:02
dcthangsudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 --boot09:03
Stskeepslooks correct09:05
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Stskeepsdcthang: ah09:05
Stskeepsdcthang: use flasher-3.5, i can't promise that works with the harmattan flasher09:06
dcthangI use this one: flasher 3.12.1 (Oct  5 2011) Harmattan09:06
Stskeepsyes, i know09:06
dcthangah ok09:06
Stskeepsflasher-3.5 from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php09:07
dcthangyeah, I know that place :P09:07
Stskeepsget that one instead :P09:07
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dcthangso with flasher 3.5,  the output is http://pastebin.com/yuKnd5cf09:10
dcthangI can't see /dev/sdX* either09:11
Stskeepsok:09:13
Stskeeps[10:30:29]<Stskeeps> flasher-3.5 from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php - and grab http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptatio09:13
Stskeepsn-n950-bootloader and http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n95009:13
Stskeeps[10:30:45]<Stskeeps> then flasher-3.5 -l -k vmlinuz* -n initrd* -b09:13
Stskeepsthat should show a warranty screen for sure09:13
Stskeepson the n909:13
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dcthangokay09:18
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dcthangStskeeps: the same output http://pastebin.com/vT4c7Tv009:23
dcthangand no warranty screen on N909:24
dcthangit shows "Nokia" on the screen09:25
Stskeepsdcthang: is this a retail N9?09:27
dcthangyes09:27
Stskeepsdcthang: charge the battery fully and try again09:28
dcthangokay09:29
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lbtmorning09:37
Stskeepsmorn09:37
lbtcan I stop worker on phost2 for a bit?09:37
* Stskeeps looks09:38
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mdfe_Sage: The build issue of kdepim in Project:KDE:Devel for CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl is because webkit is to old in collaboration with qt-4.8~..09:38
Stskeepsif you wait 5 minutes, then yes09:38
lbtok09:38
Stskeepsgot a build going related to my today's work so09:38
lbtloads of openvpn/SSL cert  issues last night - seem cleared up - need to check vpn on phost2 to confirm09:39
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Stskeepsgo ahead09:40
Stskeepsstopped worker myself09:40
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lbtdone, vpn working09:47
Stskeepsok09:47
Stskeepsso i can restart it?09:47
lbty09:47
Stskeepsok09:48
Sagemdfe_: ah, that is mer thing that is currently beeing worked at09:48
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mdfe_Sage: cool :)09:49
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dcthangStskeeps: Can I start with that with battery's status 32%?10:04
Stskeepsdcthang: get it to 50% for good measure10:04
dcthangokay so about 1 hour10:04
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w00tQt-knowledgable people: http://review.merproject.org/#change,130 needs review10:24
Stskeepsis it upstreamed yet10:25
w00tStskeeps: I've discussed it with them now, am submitting MRs10:26
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SageStskeeps: we are still missing alsa-utils package btw.10:26
w00tI don't hold hope it'll actually get in given it's 4.8-only material10:26
StskeepsSage: yes10:26
w00t(but I'll try)10:26
StskeepsSage: that might explain some audio problems i guess10:28
StskeepsSage: did we have a working package anywhere?10:28
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SageStskeeps: not yet, searching atm.10:28
SageStskeeps: compiling alsa-utils in home:sage:Mer:Utils atm.10:36
Stskeepsok10:36
Sageif that builds we should probably add that to mer core10:36
Sagehmm... requires xmlto10:37
Stskeepscan be dropped i think10:38
SageI think so too10:38
Stskeepsand yes i agree10:38
SageIs there a process how to submit new package through gerrit btw?10:38
SageI could smoketest that if there is10:39
dcthangStskeeps: 60% level of battery and after flashing it has the same result. No warranty message shows up on the N910:39
Stskeepsdcthang: ok, i'm not sure why that is10:39
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StskeepsSage: there's no good procedure atm, it's on my list10:40
StskeepsSage: i do a list of manual steps10:40
dcthangbut is it a crucial point? we have to that warranty message?10:40
Stskeepsdcthang: yes10:40
dcthangah my N9, black with 16GB10:40
Sagewarranty message?10:41
StskeepsSage: the one when you load a unsigned kernel10:41
w00txruxa: note: chive got renamed to nemomobile10:41
w00tyou will need to update your repository urls etc10:41
xruxaok, np10:41
w00tSage: got a github login?10:41
Sagew00t: saukko10:42
w00tSage: access added10:44
w00tgo forth and create repositories, or something10:44
Sagew00t: at some point this week :)10:44
w00tyeah, no hurry10:44
SageStskeeps: Problem: nothing provides dialog needed by alsa-utils-1.0.24.2-3.1.Mer.armv7l10:45
SageStskeeps: should we have dialog in mer?10:45
Stskeepsno, and its not needed for alsa-utils10:45
Stskeepsthe script functions without and is just a bug reportng tool10:45
Sageok10:45
Sageremoving that dep10:45
StskeepsSage: i'm importing entire fedora source packages for fun to my OBS10:46
Stskeepsjust to see how spec file compatible we are10:46
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javierhi10:51
Stskeepslo10:52
javierI'm trying to build Plasma Active image based on Devel and I'm seeing lots of missing packages10:52
javierie: utilities like wget10:52
SageStskeeps: ok, now that alsa-utils package installs on my armv7l panda at least10:53
Stskeepsok10:53
Sagehttp://pastie.org/2871664 <- getting this error though but that is on hw adaptation10:53
Stskeepsjavier: hmm, talk to mdfe?10:53
Stskeepsjavier: recall mer is quite minimal so there's some things on top you have to add yourself10:53
javierok10:54
javierhe's busy atm10:54
Stskeepswhat .ks did you base off?10:55
javierI will try removing the not found packages10:55
javierit's based on the one we have for meego10:55
Stskeepsah10:55
javierI expanded the meego groups into packages10:55
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Stskeepsyeah, that might give issues :)10:56
Stskeepshttp://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111104.1.CE.2011-11-10.1/images/nemo-handset-ia32-testing/nemo-handset-ia32-testing-0.20111104.1.CE.2011-11-10.1.ks10:56
Stskeeps@Mer package groups10:56
javierah there are already package groups10:57
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Stskeepswe're hoping to get a saner base .ks that it's easy to use and inherit from10:59
SageStskeeps: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/blobs/master/configs/Nemo/configurations.yaml11:02
SageStskeeps: so using the Inherit now11:03
Stskeepsok11:03
SageStskeeps: however that inherit should be extended so that it would allow loading the stuff to inherit from other files.11:03
Stskeeps:nod:11:03
Sagebut good start anyway11:03
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Sagewe probably should add pulseaudio-modules-x11 as well to some group11:05
Sagethat default Xorg and remove the Xorg from there actually :D11:05
Sageleave auth and pulse there :)11:05
Stskeeps:nod:11:06
SageI'll do a patch for that11:06
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SageStskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/13111:10
Stskeepsthanks11:11
dcthangStskeeps: Do you have any ways to flash it  in your mind with that situation?11:12
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Stskeepsdcthang: try to upgrade it11:22
dcthangyou mean upgrading firmware or?11:23
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Stskeepsyeah11:23
Stskeepsi don't have any idea without a serial connection and on the n9 it's, erm, difficult to get to11:24
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dcthangbut all up-to-date :)11:34
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Stskeepsdcthang: sure? i thought PR1.1 existed for n911:35
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veskuh1Stskeeps:  yes, it's out but not necessarily on all countries over the air.11:36
Stskeepsah11:36
dcthang10.2011.34-1_PR_00511:37
veskuh1that would be PR1.011:37
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dcthangI did check but can11:45
dcthangnot see any thing needs to be updated. All is up-to-date11:45
Stskeepsok, not sure what i can diagnose with then11:46
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Stskeepsit should show a warranty message for sure or it hasn't succesfully loaded the kernel11:46
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Sageglib2 update http://review.merproject.org/13212:42
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Stskeeps:nod: it'll be queued for teting12:45
Stskeepstesting12:45
Stskeeps(BOSS is getting re-setup)12:45
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Sageca-certificates?12:49
Sageerr, wrong chan12:49
Stskeepsrandom statistic: Fedora (1982 packages), in core OS, 650 packages is immediately schedule-able with satisfied dependancies against mer12:50
slaineI don't understand that last 1/3 of the above sentence12:52
Stskeepsslaine: i am building fedora's os/ srpm against mer for fun12:53
slaineoh12:53
Stskeepsto see how many packages are immediately usable12:53
Stskeepsand out of those 1982 packages i imported, 650 can start building right away, on my OBS12:54
Stskeepsas their build dependancies are satisfied12:55
w00tStskeeps: that's interesting13:03
av500so fedora is the mer upstream?13:04
w00tav500: no13:05
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w00tav500: taking random packages and seeing if they build _on top of_ mer13:06
Stskeepsupstream implies we use similar infrastructures/strictly tied to what they do and use same base system13:06
Stskeeps..but of course simplified we could say it's an upstream13:06
Stskeeps:P13:06
Stskeepsmaybe not the13:06
w00tyeah, that's probably more accurate13:06
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w00tif we can share some work with them, that's of course good13:06
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Stskeepsit's no denying meego came from fedora packages13:06
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_ThomasStskeeps: If we have a working linux kernel, and OpenGL-drivers (and EGL), is there some ready-made rootfs for mer that I can use to get the OS working? :)13:24
Stskeeps_Thomas: fairly easy to construct one, we just don't do it as part of release process right now13:25
Stskeepswhich would you like?13:25
Stskeepsarmv7 softfp?13:25
_ThomasWhich, what? :)13:25
_ThomasDon't care anymore, have source for OpenGL-drivers :D13:25
Stskeepshardfp it is13:26
Stskeepssec13:26
pabs3_Thomas: source?13:26
_Thomaspabs3: source code13:26
chouchounepabs3: he didn't say "open" ;)13:26
pabs3I see :(13:26
_Thomaschouchoune: Correct observation :)13:27
pabs3which hardware?13:27
_ThomasExynos 4210-based13:27
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chouchounesamsung ?13:28
_ThomasSamsung is the chip-maker, yes13:28
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pabs3so the driver is for Mali then13:28
_ThomasSamsung Exynos 4210 is the same chip that's inside the Samsung Galaxy S2 I910013:28
_ThomasYes, the drivers are for Mali 40013:28
chouchoune_Thomas: who are you working for ? ;)13:29
_Thomashttp://fxitech.com13:29
chouchounegreat13:29
Stskeeps'coming soon' :)13:29
_ThomasWe're hiring kernel hackers / embedded developers these days13:29
chouchounetells me a lot about the company ;)13:29
pabs3I guess you are not in the position to influence the driver's openness?13:29
Stskeeps_Thomas: making you a sd card image for armv7hl13:30
_ThomasStskeeps: Nice :)13:30
_ThomasStskeeps: Yeah, website is down until tomorrow evening13:30
_ThomasStskeeps: When we have the launch event in NY13:30
_ThomasOn Friday we expect some coverage in the media regarding our product13:31
chouchounewhich is ... :P13:31
av500social13:31
Stskeepsav500 wins the buzzword bingo13:31
Stskeeps;)13:31
av500\o/13:32
_Thomashttp://www.finn.no/finn/job/fulltime/object?finnkode=3160580913:32
_ThomasThere's a description in english there13:32
_ThomasThat's the closest to anything I have right now13:32
av500...Since then the concept has evolved into putting complete application processors onto memory devices...13:32
_ThomasOur current product is a usb-stick with hdmi in one end, and usb in the other13:33
av5003D-DIMMs13:33
_Thomasyepp13:33
_Thomasthat's another thing we're looking into13:33
Stskeeps_Thomas: exynos was dual core right?13:33
_ThomasStskeeps: Yupp13:34
_ThomasStskeeps: We'll get quad core next year13:34
Stskeepsalright, let me know if you see any oddities13:34
Stskeepsi can only personally test on single-core arm so13:34
_ThomasStskeeps: ok13:34
_ThomasStskeeps: You should buy a device in January then :)13:34
chouchoune_Thomas: which will cost ... ;)13:35
Stskeepsi should really donate some of my older boards away13:35
Stskeepsto make room for more toys13:35
_Thomaschouchoune: First version is a bit expensive, around 175 usd13:35
_Thomaschouchoune: Ramping up we have a target of 99 usd13:35
chouchouneok13:35
_Thomasexpect to hit it late next year, but don't know yet13:35
_ThomasWe got the first prototype in august, it's going a bit fast these days ;)13:36
chouchouneStskeeps: buy a new house13:36
av500what does it do?13:36
chouchouneto put all your things and more13:36
_Thomasav500: Whatever you want it to ;)13:36
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_Thomasav500: It can run android and ubuntu, and most probably Mer13:37
av500Stskeeps: feel free to donate pics and descriptions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/sets/72157624533739048/13:37
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_Thomasav500: Dev. kit, mediacenter, private computer, whatever you want (not a cell, tho, we don't have GSM/3G on it)13:38
_Thomasit does have bt and wifi13:38
Stskeeps_Thomas: bzip'ing up the image, rootfs is ~236mb uncompressed13:40
Stskeepsboots to qmlviewer possibly13:41
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_ThomasStskeeps: cool13:42
Stskeepsok, it would boot to qmlviewer if you installed it ;)13:42
_Thomasbut you didn't in the rootfs, so I need to install and then reboot to get it to boot into qmlviewer? :)13:42
Stskeepspretty much, but openssh should be open13:43
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* Stskeeps uploads13:44
slaine_Thomas: what differentiates your product from something like a RasberryPi ?13:46
Stskeepsi guess oomph is a start13:47
Stskeepsdualcore armv713:47
Stskeepswith mali graphics13:47
slainethat broadcom SoC can do some good graphics too though. But yeah, beefier spec13:48
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Stskeeps_Thomas: http://www.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-mer-core-armv7hl-1.2.90.20111116.1428-mmcblk0p.raw.bz213:52
Stskeeps_Thomas: kickstart file is http://www.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-armv7hl.ks13:52
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Bhavesh_Can I install Ubuntu 10.10 on my Nokia 5233 with mer? http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_5233-3390.php14:22
Bhavesh_128MB14:22
leinirThe question you should ask is, does it run Symbian?14:22
Stskeepsif you can crack the bootloader, boot a linux kernel and implement drivers for all devices including baseband, then yes14:23
Stskeepsbut i would say the first part is hard14:23
leinir*nods*14:23
Stskeepsand the ubuntu 10.10 part is just odd14:23
Stskeeps:P14:23
leinirHehe, yeah ;)14:23
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Bhavesh_This vid shows mer boot loader running? so isnt it just the bootloader I have to install? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMwlchuqsXo14:25
StskeepsOK, so, mer isn't a bootloader :)14:26
Bhavesh_lol14:26
Bhavesh_ok14:26
Stskeepsand that's on a nokia n900, very very different than a 523314:26
Bhavesh_Isn't there a menu to select boot priority like BIOS on PC's on 5233 by default?14:27
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Bhavesh_if I just wanted to boot a live image installed on microSD14:27
veskuh1no, phones are closed devices.14:27
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Bhavesh_ok14:29
pabs3sucks but mostly true :(14:29
Bhavesh_so any idea what will I have to do to get a boot menu or boot from microSD?14:29
StskeepsBhavesh_: you can't on a phone like that14:29
Stskeepssorry14:29
Bhavesh_ok14:30
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Bhavesh_Stskeeps: But why not? It has 128MB RAM, enough to run an older Ubuntu version or lubuntu or silaz?14:31
StskeepsBhavesh_: because you cannot install anything else than nokia's OS on it14:32
Stskeepssimple as that14:32
Stskeepsthe one that comes with it14:32
Stskeepsit's locked down14:32
Bhavesh_isnt flashing or "hacking" it an option?14:33
Bhavesh_I dont know any of that..14:33
Stskeepsit isn't14:33
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Stskeeps209 fedora packages suceeded, 19 failed, so far14:58
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harbaumStskeeps: I always admire your patience with people who don't have a clue but make all kind of suggestions what someone else might easily do for them15:05
Stskeepsharbaum: the hope is that at least 1 in of 100 clueless people, someone will understand something and actually learn and contribute something back :P15:06
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mdfe_hi all, is there a strace package available?15:27
Stskeepshmm, no, just copy it from meego i guess15:28
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mdfe_hmm, does copypac work in collaboration with an remove obs?15:29
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Stskeepswe should really get that Mer utilities repository going someday15:30
mdfe_:)15:30
Stskeepsjust grab the srpm and osc importsrcpkg15:30
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mdfe_Stskeeps: thanks15:32
mdfe_osc importsrcpkg works fine :)15:40
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smokuStskeeps: will ccache be part of core or should I still maintain my own build?17:03
Stskeepsmm, may be part of utils17:04
Stskeepsthough it might speed up builds a bit17:04
smokui keep it in :tools repository and then link the :tools repository to the repo I want to use osc build --cache with17:05
smokuit would be way easier if it just was in :Core :)17:05
smoku(it's being installed in the osc chroot)17:06
smokuit won't speed up OBS builds as I understand these construct rootfs from scratch everytime17:07
smokubut it speeds up local builds a lot when packaging17:07
Stskeeps:nod:17:09
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Stskeepslbt:17:55
Stskeeps2011-11-16 17:51:22.926904500     "invalid: Not a .py file")17:55
Stskeeps2011-11-16 17:51:22.926946500 SkyNET.Exo.ParticipantConfigError: Option 'code' for section 'participant' is invalid: Not a .py file17:55
Stskeepswth17:55
Stskeeps:P17:55
lbtmmm17:55
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lbtmaybe a little more context?17:56
Stskeepsmake_participant and it gives me this looping17:56
lbton mer boss machine17:57
Stskeepsyes, merproject, disabled/stopped them for now17:57
lbtso ... did this used to work and you upgraded?17:57
Stskeepsit's a newly installed boss machine17:57
lbtOK - so I saw phaeron mention "upgrade" earlier today17:58
lbtwhich I know nothing about atm17:58
lbtso lessee17:58
Stskeepsok17:58
Stskeepshome/mersbc/boss-workflow/participants17:59
Stskeepssee Makefile for what i did to register (as root)17:59
* lbt shouldnt' use zypper on debian18:00
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lbtyeah - they screwed up ... must be all those test frameworks....18:03
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Stskeepsany immediate fix18:08
Stskeeps?18:08
lbtyes18:11
lbtalthough not that immediate apparently18:12
Stskeepsok18:12
lbtyour files need a .py extension18:12
Stskeeps..18:12
lbtlet me hack18:12
lbtyeah... I know18:12
Stskeepsbbl ~45mi18:13
Stskeepsn18:13
lbtok18:13
Stskeepsok, 10 more minutes it seems18:14
Stskeepsi can rename to .py if that helps18:15
lbtit's OK18:16
lbtdone that18:16
Stskeepsok18:16
Stskeepsso i should reload?18:17
lbtall done18:17
lbtI renamed, uninstalled, reinstalled,18:18
lbtskynet log $(skynet list --all)18:18
lbtis also useful18:18
Stskeepsok18:18
lbtsilly little constraint they put it18:18
Stskeepsexcept now the queues are called .py too18:18
Stskeepsaren't they18:18
lbtyes, annoyingly18:18
Stskeepsand the participants too i presume18:18
Stskeepshow does ruote react to participant.py in a process18:19
Stskeeps?18:19
lbtit'll be too well written to mind18:19
lbtI need to look at the changes here18:20
lbtyour make register could be unexpected18:20
Stskeepsok, think i'll deregister then and fix things around a bit..18:20
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lbtyeah - maybe register -n $(basename $$x)18:21
Stskeepsyeah..18:21
lbtwith a .py18:21
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lbtI think the intention was something about making each participant a module18:22
lbtyou removed 'em18:22
lbtskynet reload has a "-a" option btw18:23
lbtand I installed bash-completeion .. which skynet has18:23
Stskeepsbetter18:28
Stskeepsnow up and running18:28
Stskeepsi'll do some tests later tonight18:28
w00tvgrade: ever had experience with /var/cache/meego-bootstrap being empty (and how to fix it)?18:29
Stskeepssay the mainrepo thing18:29
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w00tvgrade: never mind, mic-create-bootstrap appears to have fixed that18:40
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Stskeepsplease wiki that somewhere18:42
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Stskeepslbt: how do i kill processes?19:57
Stskeepslike, remove them from existence19:57
Stskeepsif they're stuck on an error19:57
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lbteasy with boss-viewer19:59
lbthttp://boss:9292/_ruote19:59
Stskeepsis boss-viewer documented anywhere?19:59
lbtnot specially - that's plain ruote20:00
Stskeepsmmk20:00
lbtwe've not done anything with it yet20:00
Stskeepsso how would i kill a process there20:00
lbtyou browse to it, look for the one you want to kill, click, and click on "kill" :)20:01
lbtoh, then press "yes"20:01
lbtthe tricky bit.... "look for the one you want to kill"20:01
Stskeeps..20:02
Stskeeps:P20:02
lbtsec... setting up route20:02
Stskeepsi've set up boss-viewer already20:03
Stskeeps:P20:03
lbtyeah - I want to see the screen to talk you through it20:03
Stskeepsah ok20:03
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Stskeepsi discovered :name => so it's a bit easier to see what's going on :P20:05
lbtyes. that helps20:05
smokuis COBS slow only for me or for everyone?20:06
Stskeepssmoku: slow for me too20:07
smokuStskeeps: thx20:07
lbtunknown participant or subprocess 'mer_gerrit_checkobsolete20:07
Stskeepsyes i fixed the error already20:07
lbtah hold on then20:08
Stskeepsadded the proper participant, had forgotten it20:08
lbtyou can "retry"20:08
Stskeepsok, under errors?20:08
lbtyes20:08
lbtclick on the error20:08
Stskeepsright..?20:08
Stskeepsand delete the error?20:08
lbtwe won't do this... but the easy way is to delete20:08
lbtyes20:08
lbtbad name20:08
lbthowever... click on the 'expression' link20:09
lbttoo late20:09
Stskeepsyeah20:09
lbtyou clicked ot20:09
lbtnm... there'll be plenty more20:09
Stskeepsany way i can view the current workitem anywhere?20:09
lbtnot anymore :)20:09
Stskeepsok :P20:09
lbtit's "out" now20:10
lbthmm20:10
lbtOK ... click on the process20:10
lbtthen the expression20:10
Stskeepsright..?20:11
lbtlooks like concurrence?20:11
lbtanyhow..20:11
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lbtthe table is overlaid with the gfx20:12
lbtthere's a "re-apply" text link20:12
lbtpale grey - click it20:12
lbtyou get areaboxes20:12
lbttop one has the wi in it20:12
Stskeepsi'm on http://boss:9292/_ruote/expressions/20111116-bisodujana20:12
lbtok ... see the list of fei20:13
lbtkinda like a stack20:13
lbt0_0_8_120:13
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lbthttp://127.0.0.1:9229/_ruote/expressions/0_0_8_1!78c6a3ba770cbad9377dee719ea604d4!20111116-bisodujana20:14
Stskeepsright, i don't see the wi anywhere20:14
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lbtno, you're looking for "re-apply"20:14
lbtsee the table on the left20:14
lbtbottom row20:15
Stskeepsah!20:15
lbtfar right20:15
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lbtyeah20:15
lbtoccluded20:15
Stskeepsthat's way too hidden20:15
lbtbad css20:15
lbthint ... don't hit "re-apply" ... bad things will prolly happen20:15
lbtin the case of an error you'd come here, possibly tweak the wi20:16
lbtmaybe even tweak the process tree20:16
lbtthen re-apply20:16
lbteg changing the process step to "noop" is a good way to skip a step that's broken20:16
lbtthink of this as gdb for ruote20:17
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lbtbut with no "step" command :(20:17
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lbtdcp_commit -pm"Install boss-viewer" boss20:22
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Stskeepsyes yes20:23
lbt:)20:23
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Stskeeps670 successful fedora packages20:28
Stskeeps38 of those failed20:28
Stskeeps(so far)20:28
lbtabout time build.merproject.org resolved eh?20:28
_ThomasStskeeps: Thx for the files, will test as soon as we get our latest 3.2-version of the kernel working :)20:29
Stskeepsstill not fond of the idea of 'the' mer obs..20:29
Stskeeps:P20:29
Stskeeps_Thomas: np20:30
lbtit's the same as meego .... but only boss has an account20:30
Stskeepsmm, true20:30
lbtno home projects, no branches... just janitorial?20:31
Stskeepsi'd like to get a little further in the automation before really determining anything about that builder20:31
Stskeepsand well, the obs 2.3 ove20:31
Stskeepsmove20:31
Stskeepsbecause right now releases don't happen on their own and i'd like them to :)20:32
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lbtat the moment the OBS 'just' prepares a release and public API is fakeobs isn't it?20:34
Stskeepspretty much yeah20:34
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Stskeepsbut still manual work20:35
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Stskeepsalso, i think i might have a hiccup about revisions / vrev somewhere20:35
lbtwell I'm still drowning in infra but feeling a little more in touch with the building20:36
Stskeepsi think we're (finally) getting a bit above water with the whole infra thing :P20:36
lbtwould like to just give the obs a name and a cert so we're secure20:36
lbtfinalise LDAP20:36
lbtmmm20:37
Stskeepsmy plans are: gerrit vm setup tomorrow20:37
lbtalthough you're right - it's not a public OBS20:37
Stskeepsand look into ldap for that20:37
lbtso maybe not the place to register new accounts20:37
Stskeepsis the current certs cacert signed or?20:38
lbtsee bugs.merproject.org20:38
Stskeepschrome isn't terribly informative20:39
lbtthere's a Mer CA cert20:39
Stskeepsok20:39
lbtif you trust that then all our sites will be fine20:39
lbtso we should send a mail out with the md5 of it and then publish it on merproject.org somewhere20:39
lbtbuild.boss.merproject.org?20:41
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lbtpermits build.pub and other things later20:41
Stskeepsi'm a little uncertain how people react to getting a cert 'error' in their faces when trying to report a bug20:42
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lbtI think they're likely very used to it20:42
lbtwe can buy proper certs in a few months20:43
Stskeepsmmk20:43
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Stskeepsi still think main signup should be the main webpage20:45
lbtI don't disagree20:45
Stskeepsfor gerrit i'll need 29418 tcp forwarded, rest is just mod_proxy btw20:46
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lbtcan I do the gerrit setup20:46
lbtI assume you've documented it properly :)20:46
Stskeepsinstall debian, rsync20:46
Stskeeps:P20:46
lbtmmm20:46
Stskeeps(seriously)20:46
Stskeepsbut yeah, you can20:47
lbtdid you remove fail2ban from phost2?20:48
Stskeepsno20:48
Stskeepsnot to my knowledge, at least20:49
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Stskeepsbbl sleep20:50
Stskeepslet's discuss gerrit tomorrow20:50
lbtOK - I'll make a VM20:50
Stskeepssqueeze20:50
lbtand look for simple account creation20:50
lbt*nod*20:50
Stskeepsoh and it needs openjdk/jre :P20:50
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lbtoh good, I expected sun-jdk20:51
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Stskeepsseriously though, it's encapsulated nicely in a directory with a nice start/stop .sh :P20:51
Stskeepsbbl20:52
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