Tuesday, 2011-11-15

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vgrademorning07:13
Stskeepsmorn07:13
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togglesbuon giorno!07:30
Stskeepsmorn toggles07:32
Stskeepstoggles: so when will we see Mer in trains? :>07:33
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toggleslol, not for a while07:39
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Stskeepsyeah.. the regulatory issues are insane aren't they07:39
togglesthe environment inside mine is pretty sterile..07:39
toggleswell, the automatic protection stuff is no os, right on the board, and read and checked by TUV before it hits the rails07:40
togglesbut we don't have anything inside but a couple of led bars for next station stop07:40
Stskeeps:nod:07:40
togglesno entertainment systems :-(07:40
Stskeepswe have a lot of digital signage stuff in metros here, with advertisements and such07:41
Stskeepsruns windows xp :P07:41
togglesyeah, I see those around, our car builder isn't that advanced ;-)07:41
Stskeeps:nod:07:42
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StskeepsSage: http://review.merproject.org/12809:04
Stskeepscould you build xmlrpc-c together with your new curl?09:04
SageStskeeps: ok. I'll put to my todo09:05
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Stskeepsok09:05
Stskeepsit might just be a fluke, since it worked fine on i58609:05
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slainehey folks10:18
vgradeslaine, hi10:21
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Stskeepsmorn slaine10:22
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dcthanganyone knows build C++ on Mer?10:46
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Stskeepsdcthang: gcc :)10:48
dcthangyes, I mean the packages for that like Qt or ...:)10:49
xruxadcthang: sure, there is qt-devel, enjoy10:50
xruxaStskeeps: are we running Mer + whateverui on some tablet or netbook regularly?10:51
Stskeepsxruxa: well, n900/n950, but we aren't as far in QA as i'd like to be10:51
xruxaStskeeps: those are phones/handsets. How about tablets?10:52
Stskeepsxruxa: exopc, perhaps10:52
Stskeepsnetbook, ideapad10:52
Stskeeps(s10-3t)10:52
Stskeepshow come?10:53
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Stskeepslbt: so, if we were to add a obs to this whole mix and a worker, would we make another vlan bridge?11:00
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lbtStskeeps: I'd try that first as it's nice and scalable11:01
lbtI don't think bandwidth between obs/workers is a big issue11:02
lbtthe vlan bridge is a hub/spoke though11:02
Stskeepsbecause i can already see my temporary setup for getting to my virtual obs is crap, so thinking ahead :P11:02
lbt:)11:03
Stskeepsi just need the OBS to finish building so i have cpu time (and mental time) for moving around more things11:03
Stskeepshow easily can we migrate VM's between phosts atm?11:03
dm8tbrI had someone use remote workers over VPN11:03
dm8tbrand it was not outstanding, but OKish11:04
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lbtdm8tbr: the VPN is over the LAN at the datacenter11:05
lbtwell, actually, I'm assuming we got the same datacenter11:05
Stskeepsdoesn't matter too much, we're in a fiber ring anyway11:05
lbttrue11:05
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av500arc_mat: mdfe_: 3.2.69 now11:07
arc_matav500: thanks.11:08
av500de rien11:09
dcthangStskeeps: I mean build tools for Mer 1.3 :)11:09
dcthangwhere I can get it?11:09
Stskeepsdcthang: so, we don't really have an SDK atm and people who make apps utilize OBS right now11:10
dcthangok, so I can check it from OBS, rite?11:10
Stskeepsright11:10
Stskeepsand mer 1.3 doesn't exist ;)11:11
Stskeepsdcthang: take a look around on https://build.pub.meego.com11:11
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dcthangStskeeps: thanks :)11:13
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SageStskeeps: I think we should make a package list of Mer and mark which packages have been updated to the latest upstream. We should do at least one update round as many of the packages are very old.11:26
Stskeepsyes11:26
Stskeepsi started a list, hang on ..11:26
SageJust to make sure that we don't get stuck with old API's and prevent new stuff11:27
Stskeeps:nod:11:27
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Stskeepscan't find my list11:33
Stskeepsbut yes, i fully agree11:33
Stskeepsyou will be surprised how much fallout there is in upstreams from the whole kernelorg move11:33
Stskeepsand how much of what is essential to linux that just doesn't have online presenses :P11:34
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lbtSage: that stuff is why we need a decent package database11:36
Sagelbt: :nod:11:38
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Sagesomething that would check the upstream version and notify that it has changed11:39
Stskeepssurprisingily hard11:39
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* lbt notes that debian has something11:42
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Sagewell, for packages that have ftp for latest releases that should be quite easy, just parse the largest version out of the directory listing. But all the projects do not have such page.11:44
Stskeepslbt: true, we could always track debian's version ;)11:45
lbt:)11:45
lbtI actually meant they have something that tracks the real upstream11:46
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vgradehttp://www.debian-administration.org/article/Receiving_notification_of_new_upstream_software_releases/print11:49
lbtthat's it vgrade11:49
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lbtStskeeps: what's the license situation with agile browser BTW?11:57
Stskeepslbt: no idea, haven't ever seen source code11:58
lbtno, I looked for it ages ago11:58
Stskeepscould always ask ville if it is public or not11:58
lbtthe 'license' notes in 'about' mention that it uses some proprietary lib11:59
lbtthe classes are obfuscated11:59
Stskeepsok11:59
lbtand there's no license for it at all - so nothing about redistribution11:59
Stskeepswell, it's a nice tool despite license :P11:59
Stskeepsand they uploaded it to wiki.meego.com11:59
lbt*nod* .... was looking at it last night11:59
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* Stskeeps beats obs scheduler cold start with a stick12:29
Stskeepsfinally12:40
Stskeepsmy obs is building again12:40
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arc_matvgrade: ping13:31
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vgradearc_mat, hi15:40
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arc_matvgrade: your new toy is on its way15:41
vgradearc_mat, cheers15:41
vgradearc_mat, whats the current status15:42
arc_matvgrade: I'm fighting pvr, drm and Xorg15:42
arc_matmdfe_ is fighting touch screen15:42
arc_matvgrade: you're welcome to help ;)15:43
vgradewilco15:43
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Stskeepsarc_mat: any movement in the pvr troubles?16:06
av500not yet :(16:06
dm8tbrsgx, a harsh mistress...16:07
arc_matStskeeps: not much. I'm still debugging (and recruiting more minions ;)16:07
Stskeeps:nod:16:07
arc_matStskeeps: but the dayjob gets in the way a bit ...16:07
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SageStskeeps: how is mer/project-core tree used?17:08
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SageWe need to cut the scripts directory separate package and wondering how it will effect to that17:09
Sageso that vendors could use the same script to do package groups.17:10
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StskeepsSage: 'make' usually17:18
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berndhsin c.obs Mer builds the rpm macro %{_vendor} says "meego", which is convenient for the moment; is it the right thing though ?18:09
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Stskeepsnot really but i want to have testing working properly before i dive in to possible break things18:10
berndhsit would probably break a lot of builds right now18:10
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StskeepsNOTE: i'm currently postponing review.merproject.org build tests for any new patchset as we'll be setting up a new BOSS vm, the patchsets will be run through when this is done and is queued19:44
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marquiz_evening20:26
Stskeepsevening marquiz_20:26
marquiz_any idea where i could get those moslo kernel sources?20:26
marquiz_if i get those, i think i can make a nice dual-boot20:27
marquiz_;)20:27
marquiz_for n950, that is20:27
Stskeepshm, i'll take a look20:27
marquiz_i've been doing some experimentation, but kexec fails :(20:28
Stskeepsseems like there's some kexec patches, give me a minute or tow20:29
marquiz_k20:29
marquiz_i'm not in that much hurry, got to go to sleep, soon ;)20:29
marquiz_i'm sooo tired20:30
Stskeepssecond one, http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2010-September/025226.html20:32
Stskeepshttp://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/75711 , patch 1/2 there20:33
marquiz_where did you dig those up?20:34
marquiz_:D20:34
Stskeepsgoogle20:34
Stskeeps;)20:34
marquiz_i'll try those, thx20:35
Stskeepsmika's the guy to ask at least20:36
marquiz_haven't got anything to share, yet :(20:36
dm8tbralso moslo sources are public, including kernel, aren't they?20:36
Stskeepsdm8tbr: i haven't seen kernel around, which is a bit odd20:36
marquiz_well, kernel is not included, there :(20:36
marquiz_yep, it is odd20:36
dm8tbrStskeeps: hmm I can poke panix20:36
Stskeepsdm8tbr: yeah, just see if it's an oversight, looks pretty stock to me20:36
Stskeepsmarquiz_: someone did dual-boot with flasher on N9 at least, http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/20:37
Stskeepsbut that requires a PC20:37
marquiz_btw, i'm not able to do local armv8el builds in meego obs, anymore, is this a common issue?20:37
Stskeepswhat error are you getting?20:37
Stskeepsi haven't used build.meego.com for building anything in ages :P20:37
Stskeepsmarquiz_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQLIjcYAMU - how our dear CE/Nemo looks like these days :)20:38
marquiz_hmm, now the build magically started to work :/20:41
marquiz_two hours back it failed to not finding some packages in download.meego.com20:41
Stskeepsodd20:42
marquiz_yep, but now it seems to work, which is nice :)20:42
marquiz_woo, the video was nice!20:44
marquiz_i have downloaded the latest images but haven't been able to (dual)boot yet ;)20:44
Stskeepshehe20:44
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Stskeepsright, sleep time20:50
Stskeepsbbl20:50
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marquiz_c ya20:51
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marquiz_sleeptime for me, too21:02
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