Monday, 2011-11-14

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slonopotamusStskeeps: reasking about retu-rtc & year :P05:20
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slonopotamusso, i officially claim that totally broke clock handling on n8x005:35
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cxl000From what I have read the clock has 1 byte for day and when it get to 255 is sticks. so you need to reset it from time to time05:37
cxl000but that was for 770 retu05:38
slonopotamusi saw that too, don't know if it is true on n8x005:41
cxl000Have you looked at the maemo kernel code?05:42
slonopotamusin that link, older version is maemo05:43
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* dm8tbr hands out espresso doppio06:19
Stskeepsmatrixx: quite nice06:20
Stskeepsmatrixx: a good way to check if touch and opengl is working06:21
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Stskeepsthat's a localdep failure?06:44
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Stskeepsglibc failure is the one that looks mysterious, xmlrpc-c looks curl related06:45
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Stskeepscould you re-trigger glibc?06:47
Sagefor some reason I can't :D06:48
Sageit is a linked build and I can't trigger taht :/06:48
Sagenot sure why06:48
Stskeepsah, @%@^'ing obs..06:48
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Stskeepslet me know btw if my fix for the zypper stuff worked on the latest release06:49
StskeepsSage: crazy crap i find laying about in spec files at times..06:51
StskeepsSage:;a=blob;f=db4.spec;h=1e4c0f81e3e7e003c9f867d82bdfb18cd5e3f918;hb=78652620de293d4adfa42eea993a7162e982bbb8#l138   and then look further down,;a=blob;f=db4.spec;h=1e4c0f81e3e7e003c9f867d82bdfb18cd5e3f918;hb=78652620de293d4adfa42eea993a7162e982bbb8#l27606:52
* Sage is doing a fix for poppler package bwt06:52
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Stskeepsit spends ages fixing documentation it just deletes further down06:52
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Sageeh :D06:53
w00tSage: did you hear the good news from the weekend?06:53
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StskeepsSage: i'm no longer surprised why the initial bootstrap of things takes so bloody long06:54
Sagew00t: probably not :)06:54
w00tSage: remember the GL context dropping stuff?06:54
Sagein meego-ux?06:54
w00twell.. not quite, a proper solution was put into Qt, but it wasn't quite ready when meego-ux needed it06:55
w00tso, harmattan has been using it for quite some time, but us not, since I was having trouble imagining how to make it work with devices that don't need it (and might blow up with it enabled).. I think I figured that out this weekend, and did some proof of concept work, fixed a bug that stopped it working, and have it working on my n950 now :)06:56
Sagenice, so I'm guessing that quite a bit more mem for everyone? :)06:57
w00t~10mb less per app running in the background06:57
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w00t(we might be able to save some more on the UX apps like mdecorator, but i'd be more careful about that and need to investigate first)06:57
SageStskeeps: that kind of build docs and then remove it is very common :/06:58
StskeepsSage: i also found out our build chroots fsync for every single rpm transaction, meaning it's bloody slow on build disks :P06:59
Stskeepsopensuse just generally disables it07:00
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vgradeStskeeps, re QtMessaging, qt-mobility needs qmf as a build dep07:03
Stskeepsvgrade: ok, can you see how much deps QMF needs?07:05
vgradeStskeeps, qmf builds ok against Mer:fake:Core:armv7hl with no extra deps07:09
Stskeepscan you see if qtmessaging works OK with it enabled then?07:09
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SageStskeeps: how big is the whole mer git tree?07:10
StskeepsSage: it's many git trees07:10
Sagehmmp... can I somehow search inside files from all of them?07:11
Sagesearch in gitweb searches only filesnames07:11
vgradeStskeeps, testing will be much later today, ok07:11
Stskeepsvgrade: OK07:11
StskeepsSage: monster:/home/merreleases/public_html # du -s -h packages-git07:11
Stskeeps1.3G    packages-git07:11
StskeepsSage: rsyncable, too07:11
Stskeepsmorn iekku o/07:12
SageStskeeps: could you do grep -ni gtk */*.spec in there and pastebin the result?07:12
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SageStskeeps: why is poppler in mer core btw? You could not install the -devel package because it had dep to gtk so nothing needs it to build?07:14
StskeepsSage: qt printing07:15
StskeepsSage: .. i would have thought07:15
Stskeepsnow i'm curious07:15
SageMaybe a stray dep?07:16
Stskeepsi already have scons considered to be kicked out at least07:17
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Stskeepscarsten@ideapad:~/Core:i586/poppler$ osc whatdependson Core_i586 i58607:18
Stskeepswarning: your urllib2 version seems to be broken. Using a workaround for
StskeepsWARNING: SSL certificate checks disabled. Connection is insecure!07:18
Stskeepspoppler : cups qt07:18
Stskeepsso there's a reason it's there07:18
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SageIf the dependency is to poppler there is no reson as that is only libs and nobody builds against it. If the dependency is to poppler-utils then there is a reason07:20
StskeepsBuildRequires:  poppler-utils07:22
Stskeepsin cups07:22
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StskeepsSage: do we have any fallout in repos from 4.8.0 rc1 -> beta1 upgrade?07:27
Stskeepsbeta1 -> rc107:28
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SageStskeeps: nothing so far07:31
Stskeeps ok07:31
* Stskeeps ponders idly what takes so bloody long in rpmlint07:34
SageStskeeps: did you copypaste the things twice to that pastebin? :P07:34
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Stskeepsit's monday after all07:35
SageStskeeps:;a=blob;f=gcc.spec;h=a8bf58075f74aebbebec352a5929162f39045c7b;hb=HEAD#l493 ?07:36
Stskeepswe don't have build_java on07:36
SageStskeeps: that isn't inside the build_jave07:36
Sage%endif is at line 48907:37
Sageor did I miss something07:37
Stskeepsah, libgcj..07:37
Stskeepsis that package getting made?07:38
SageI couldn't find at least07:39
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Stskeepsthen treat it as a false positive i guess07:39
Sage;a=blob;f=openssh.spec;h=6a9f6ae6352844212e80eaffa53502dadc0ca10e;hb=HEAD#l16 :P07:39
Sageprobably similar case :)07:40
Stskeeps   7 # Do we want to disable building of gnome-askpass? (1=yes 0=no)07:40
Stskeeps   8 %define no_gnome_askpass 107:40
Sagejust found that as well07:41
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* Sage messed the poppler commit07:44
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SageStskeeps: how to reject that request?07:45
Sagehah... destroyed my clone :P07:47
Sagewrong dir :P07:47
* Sage checks calendar ..07:47
Stskeepsthink you can check it out again with git fetch ssh:// refs/changes/26/126/1 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD07:48
Stskeepswell, not stskeeps@07:48
Stskeepsbut i'm not sure07:48
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Stskeepsclone the repo and do it in there then07:51
Sageok, that seems to work07:52
SageCHANGEID is the 126?07:54
Sageor should that be text like that? :)07:55
Stskeepsno, Change-Id: I39a48a72c8e43feab089e9f8bda71d769c7be37807:55
Stskeeps see top headers07:55
Sageok, need to edit that wiki page a bit :)07:55
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Sageah, or well. I need to read :)07:57
* Stskeeps can't wait to add the 24gb ram obs worker07:57
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Sagepatchset1 and patchet2 are the same on my screen08:00
Stskeepsthe hash is different, at least08:00
Stskeepswhat did you change?08:00
Sagehmmp... commit --amend didn't pick up the changes. I need to commit those first?08:01
Stskeepsgit add'ed them?08:02
Sageno modifications to existing files08:02
Sageno, ... :)08:02
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Stskeepsmorn termana08:04
SageStskeeps: can I just commit rebase and do it like that?08:04
Stskeepswell, if things are screwed up beyond belief you can just click "abandon change"08:04
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Stskeepsand do a new attempt08:04
* Sage tries to fix old one :)08:04
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dyoungsorry, typo08:06
Sagedamn that is hard to read :/08:07
SageStskeeps: there isn't merge all patch sets button?08:07
SageStskeeps: try to read the gerrit page now :D08:10
SageStskeeps: you really can't see it clearly what has finally changed08:10
Stskeepsgood point08:10
Sagepatch sets are incremental08:10
* Stskeeps adds to todo08:10
Stskeepsi also need to do a thing so it aborts testing for old patchset08:12
Sagenow the patch set seem to be ok08:13
SageI just messed up locally very badly :P08:13
Stskeepsit's monday, you're forgiven08:13
Sageok finally I'm happy with the change :)08:14
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SageStskeeps: when submit is done to gerrit does it do build test so that it checks that no other package failes either?08:15
Stskeepsyes, it does08:16
Stskeepsit catches some quite nice things08:16
Sageok then I'll submit changes there and let it check, prj link doesn't seem to work very nicely08:17
SageStskeeps: btw, would be nice if there would be ignore *~ in all projects08:19
Stskeepsmm, true08:20
* Stskeeps adds08:20
matrixxStskeeps: thanks, next iteration will contain some qml and fishes :]08:20
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Stskeepsmorn bergie, mordae08:26
Stskeepsbergie: so devrooms, how do they function? people propose talks?08:27
Stskeepsor is also hacking sessions etc08:29
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bergieStskeeps: I think we can decide08:39
* Stskeeps wonders if his talk will be accepted too08:40
dm8tbrI think some talks would be good, to attract people08:41
dm8tbr'introduction to mer / why mer'08:42
dm8tbr'devices running mer'08:42
dm8tbr'how to make a hw-adaptation'08:42
dm8tbr'where is the UI!?'08:42
Stskeepsat least it could be a good gathering point for mer contributors08:43
Bostikplease make a big point about "naked mer"08:43
dm8tbrwe could offer to share some stuff with nemo and the PA people08:43
Bostiksomething to the tune of "what would a device look like if it ran mer core and nothing else"08:43
* w00t may finally have to come to fosdem, eh08:44
* matrixx thinks the same08:44
dm8tbrfirst slide on every talk: Mer is not a full stack, you add the Ux!08:44
dm8tbr(and hw adaptation)08:44
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vgradehas booked eurostar ticket already08:47
bergiedm8tbr: I'd like to have different UXs shown, including Plasma Active and Cordia08:51
bergiewe also probably should have some volunteers for keeping the room organized08:52
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Stskeepsmorn lbt09:01
lbtwe have bridged bridges - which is really useful for mgmt LAN09:02
lbtalso quite useful at home for mer-signed-cert-controlled access09:02
StskeepsSage: i'm interrupting the previous changeset DBC's09:03
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StskeepsSage: just to preserve some capaciity09:03
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SageStskeeps: ok09:04
lbtStskeeps: so if you want me to setup the new box... yell09:04
Stskeepslbt: haven't gotten login details yet i think09:04
* Stskeeps checks09:04
Stskeepsnop, not yet09:05
lbtmmm I should be able to set one up on mine09:06
lbtI'm wondering if tmpfs is really needed when sync is removed09:07
dm8tbrbergie: yup09:08
Stskeepslbt: think it matters still to some degree, worth seeing09:08
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Zammythey told me to come here09:47
ZammyMer is the community name of MeeGo?09:48
Zammywhat is its status09:48
Stskeepswell, Mer is just a core, what did you hope to get from MeeGo?09:48
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ZammyAlternative to Android and iOS09:48
ZammySomething that is good and open-source so I can fix something if I do not like09:48
lbtsounds about right09:49
Stskeepsalright, so, Mer is a mobile core - people take it, put own UI and hardware adaptation on top to make a product09:49
ZammyAndroid is open-source but I have not been able to jailbreak my device09:49
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Zammyand not happy with it at all... still using iOS devices mostly09:49
ZammySo its bit more than a kernel?09:49
Zammyor is it just a kernel?09:50
Stskeepssome examples can be Nemo Mobile,[C09:50
StskeepsZammy: it's a set of reusable software component which gives a solid base for building mobile products09:50
Stskeepsmobile as in, handset, tablets, set top boxes, interactive busstops, etc09:51
Zammyit sounds like there is already someone behind the project, not only community of hobists09:51
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Stskeepsthere's a bit of both, we work like a proper open source community while i think there's people investigating using it in actual products09:52
Stskeepswe're a young project, we announced like a month ago09:52
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Stskeepsi'm personally doing it as i see business opportunities in not having to maintain my own mobile core for eventual projects :)09:52
Stskeepsie, sharing the load between many companies, even small to medium09:53
Bostikif you've used debian or ubuntu for development, you could think of Mer as an analog of what you'd get if you do "aptitude install build-essential" on a bare system; it won't do much by itself but it pulls in lot of the stuff you need to build a bigger system09:53
Zammyso this leads to my next question: are there any front ends at works?09:53
Bostiknot accurate in by any means but a good lie to keep things in perspective :)09:54
StskeepsZammy: sure, did you see the UI above?09:54
ZammyNemo seems like one09:54
Stskeepsin the video09:54
Zammylooks pretty good, bit sluggish on old device like the n90009:54
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Stskeepsi think it looks very fast compared to it being old :P09:54
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StskeepsZammy: as well - that's Plasma Active09:55
Zammyyeah agree09:55
StskeepsZammy: the important thing here is that there's no "the" mer ui, ie, you won't see a Mer Handset user interface09:56
Zammyi understood09:56
ZammyI am bit concerned though... this means a lot of front ends09:56
Zammya lot of fragmentation...09:56
Zammybut I guess that what opens brings to the table09:57
Stskeepsit is, but i hope also that people see the benefit of common standards such as a stable set of QML or HTML5 Aapis09:57
StskeepsMer isn't a brand as such, just a piece of the puzzle to make everybody's life easier :)09:58
Zammywell... so it seems the MeeGo is not going to survive09:59
Zammybut we are going to see its core live...09:59
Zammyis that assumption correct?10:00
Stskeepspretty much, Mer is derived from MeeGo Core, with some changes in how it's delivered, developed and with focus on a minimal core10:00
Stskeepsby moving out hardware adaptations and UIs you remove a lot of politics that allow people to work together better10:01
Zammydoes it mean that if I can root my excellent LG device with shitty software10:01
Zammyi will be able to slap Mer on top10:01
Zammyand ssh to it :)10:01
Stskeepsif you deliver the hardware adaptation10:01
Stskeepswhich has it's own set of challenges10:01
ZammyI am very far from being a real device tinker10:01
ZammyI am good with doing stuff with higher API-s10:02
ZammyBut I would love to help with some of this stuff if I can10:02
Stskeepswell, you can look around at the various projects going on at least10:02
Stskeepsjust gave you the sales pitch10:02
ZammyI am working as software developer and doing mostly mobile R&D (think iOS/Android build servers,)10:02
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Stskeepsyou can even run Mer on intel devices and virtual machines10:03
Zammyso it works on x86?10:03
Zammythat is nice10:03
Stskeepseven on non-atom devices10:03
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Zammysounds cool... is there a website ?10:04
StskeepsSage: did we have a video anywhere of nemo on PC?10:04
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Zammyso I can look around see what I can do about it10:04
StskeepsZammy: and the is best place right now10:04
Stskeepswe're doing a -lot- of backend work right now, so hopefully we'll revamp website soon10:04
Zammyok cool... I think I might be more useful as an app developer for some future platform10:05
Stskeepsmany different projects that work on that, for example plasma active or Nemo10:06
SageStskeeps: I don't think so.10:06
ZammyI will still read around and see what Mer is in detail10:06
Stskeeps(the handset user interface)10:06
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ZammyOk, does it mean that if I can get Mer to run on device X10:10
ZammyA OS that is build on top of Mer will run on my device ?10:10
ZammyX Device... sorry  :)10:11
lbtZammy: yes, rebuilds permitting10:11
lbtit's not designed to be binary compatibile10:11
Zammyyeah understand...10:16
lbtalso there are parts of retail devices that are not well supported in OSS10:18
lbtso hacking an existing device without support from the hardware mfg is likely to be frustrating10:19
Zammyi guess so10:19
ZammyI guess Ill need to get an N910:20
lbtthat's a good place to start :)10:20
ZammyShame that most android hardware is pretty good but crappy software ruins everything10:20
Stskeepsor a after-market n90010:20
Zammyi am sooo frustrated with my device10:20
pabs3which one do you have?10:21
ZammyLG optimus10:21
Zammyperfect hardware, it simply pretty10:21
Zammybut after more than 30 hard crashes10:21
ZammyI feel like buying an iPhone any moment now (I have iPod and iPad)10:21
ZammyOk... sorry for  venting frustration.10:21
Stskeepsthe grass isn't always greener on the other side :)10:22
ZammyThank you all for the great and personal info you gave me. Ill keep an eye on wants going on10:22
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Zammy:) If it was will I be here?10:22
Stskeepsno problem, feel free to hang out here10:22
Stskeepsmdfe_: are you seeing any fallout after we upgraded qt to 4.8.0-rc1 in mer?10:23
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mdfe_Stskeeps: I have to take a look10:24
mdfe_I have to disable qt inside Project:KDE:Mer_Extras10:25
mdfe_Stskeeps: libqtcore4-4.8.0~rc1-11.1.Mer is taken be e.g. kdelibs at the moment10:27
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mdfe_Stskeeps: It is build by Project:KDE:Mer_Extras, but I will disable the qt inside10:28
mdfe_Stskeeps: Does a wipeout for single binaries work?10:29
Stskeepsfor single packages10:29
Stskeepsand for single archs10:29
mdfe_Stskeeps: Ok I will do it for Qt10:31
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mdfe_Stskeeps: done10:36
mdfe_Stskeeps: Do you see other dublicated packages?10:37
mdfe_ok, rebuild is in progress10:38
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Stskeepsmorn cxl00010:43
cxl000hello. Back from an evening of dancing.10:44
Stskeepshehe, always good10:44
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Sagemdfe_: I'll try to setup the CE:MW:PlasmaActive so you could move to use that one and get rid of the extra playload.10:47
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Sagephaeron: I would need couple of new prj's under boss btw. CE:MW:MTF and CE:MW:PlasmaActive10:49
phaeronSage: sure, did you create them already ? and is bossbot a maintainer there ?10:50
* Sage adds the maintainer10:50
Sagephaeron: yes10:51
mdfe_Sage: awesome, how should the repostitory layout look like?10:51
mdfe_Sage: just replace e.g. Mer:fake:Core:armv6l/Core_armv6l --> CE:MW:PlasmaActive:armv6l/Core_armv6l ?10:52
mdfe_for Project:KDE:Mer_Extras10:53
Sagemdfe_: actually. Lets make it straight to CE:UX:PlasmaActive10:53
mdfe_i have to take a look10:54
mdfe_ahh ok10:54
Sagephaeron: also CE:UX:PlasmaActive would need BOSS10:55
Sagemdfe_: those repos do not have content yet, but I'll try to push those in today.10:55
mdfe_just drop me a line10:55
mdfe_Sage: By changing the repostory I will also all dublicated packages in Project:KDE:Mer_Extras10:57
Sagemdfe_: yes, no duplicate packages after taht anymore10:58
mdfe_Sage: Could you send me a list of packages which should be disabled in Project:KDE:Mer_Extras before?10:59
Sagemdfe_: you should not use Project:KDE:Mer_Extras after this10:59
lbtSage: you have a workaround - I'm going to look at migrating the bugzilla VMs to the new phost11:00
Sagelbt: yes, not sure though, how boss will handle repos without path11:00
lbtphaeron will manage :D11:01
Sagephaeron: :)11:01
mdfe_Sage: Project:KDE:Mer_Extras can be completly omitted?11:01
Sagemdfe_: yes.11:02
mdfe_awesome :)11:02
Sageso instead of that 176 packages we will have ~3011:03
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mdfe_Sage: sounds greate, hopefully it works ;)11:03
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Sagewill take me day or two to get all the packages there so it starts to build, but after that it should jsut work :)11:04
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phaeronSage: why don't they have paths ?11:09
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Sagephaeron: because OBS is not nice :)11:14
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phaeronsome of the prechecks won't work that way11:16
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Sagephaeron: we need to ignore repos that do not have path's11:17
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phaeronok ignore makes sense11:19
phaeronSage: but what about the requirement of having the one to one constrain of repos11:20
Sagephaeron: ?11:20
phaeronsource project should have a repo that builds only against a matching repo in the target project11:21
Sagephaeron: well if the path is empty it is logical to ignore that as it doesn't build against that anyway IMHO11:21
Sagephaeron: and the reason for empty paths is because I can't remove those old targets after rename
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phaeronSage: ok that should work11:38
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Sagephaeron: well it doesn't and it is causing a lot of problems to me :/11:40
Sagephaeron: as a workaround I have those empty repos there11:40
phaeronSage: I meant the process should work11:40
Sagewhich one? :D11:41
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phaeronSage: ok all three project have the process setup now11:48
Sagephaeron: are all CE: subproject now under BOSS btw?11:48
phaeronSage: ping me if anything is looks broken11:48
Sagephaeron: would be nice to have boss feature that it would automatically start using boss for subproject of project X ;)11:49
Sageexcept *:Trial11:49
phaeronSage: wildcards were actually a planned feature , but was never done.11:50
phaeronSage: find -type d under CE11:50
Sagelbt: Unable to delete project home:sage:Mer:MW:Shared; following repositories depend on this project:11:53
Sagelbt: unable to remove even my own project :P11:53
Sagephaeron: CE:Apps:MTF and CE:Adaptation:Pandaboard are missing11:54
phaeronSage: do you want to enable them now ?11:55
* lbt afk .... bbiab (~3hr)11:55
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Sagephaeron: Apps:MTF now yes11:55
Sagepandaboard is not ready anyway yet11:56
Sagejust realized that didn't have time to setup it yet last week11:56
phaeronSage: ok enabled APPS:MTF11:58
Sagelbt: cobs is running low on workers11:58
SageX-Fade: ^11:59
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X-FadeSage: ok, let me kick some.12:01
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Sagemdfe_: populating the CE:MW:PlasmaActive atm. so you should be able to use it in hour or so13:11
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mdfe_Sage: ok13:16
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Stskeepsarc_mat|tp: it was g9 you were hacking for right?13:34
arc_matStskeeps: please ignore my |tp self, network came up back at home ;)13:34
Stskeepsdoes it by chance lend itself well to automatic image installation/testing somehow?13:35
Stskeepsjust thinking a bit further ahead, we plan to be big on QA here so13:36
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av500Stskeeps: fully automatic probably not13:39
av500if it crashes, human intervention might be needed13:39
Stskeepsthere's always stuff like powering on when usb plug activates for instance that helps a lot13:40
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arc_matStskeeps: it will definitely help if you crack the device open and put an switch in the battery lines13:44
av500arc_mat: or on the power button13:44
arc_matav500: though I'd prefer to cut the battery to be really sure. You know, the PMIC ...13:44
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mdfe_Sage: Error saving package: unable to walk on path 'CE:UX:PlasmaActive/CE_MW_PlasmaActive_armv7hl'14:09
* Sage checks14:09
Sageups, my bad14:10
Sagecopy paster error14:10
mdfe_Sage: I will try it for CE_MW_PlasmaActive_armv7hl first14:11
Sagemdfe_: should be fixed now14:12
mdfe_looks good14:12
mdfe_lets see what happens14:12
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arc_matStskeeps: ping18:07
arc_matStskeeps: Xorg.0.log18:08
* Stskeeps looks18:08
Stskeepsgive me a couple of seconds to context switch, was buried in sysadmin work :)18:08
arc_matI identified a couple of suspicious things already18:08
Stskeepsdid you get an xterm up?18:09
arc_matStskeeps: no time yet, but since the plasma session is starting at least the X server seems to be working to a point. I guess if I tried Xterm, it would happily connect but I wouldn't see it18:09
Stskeepsjust wondering if X is running or not18:09
Stskeepssystemctl disable uxlaunch.service and give it a reboot, then session won't disturb us18:10
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arc_matnot really. uxlaunch still active18:11
Stskeepsshouldn't start, hmm18:12
arc_matStskeeps: look at line 871 for example18:12
arc_matStskeeps: or line 1345 (funny how the line numbers wrap)18:13
Stskeepsyeah, that indeed looks bad18:14
Stskeepsi assume pvrsrvinit already ran18:14
Stskeeps(i don't have a omap4 device)18:14
arc_matgood question18:14
Stskeepsworth checking out18:15
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arc_matI guess no since that program is not supplied by any package18:17
Stskeepsok, it may have changed in omap418:17
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smokulbt: is COBS fine?18:54
smoku$ osc -A COBS ls home18:54
smokuServer returned an error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found18:54
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lbtsmoku it's OK here ... ls home is 40419:03
lbtosc -A COBS ls home:smoku  ??19:03
smokulbt: in browser is 40419:04
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crevetorHow do I import the key for the mer repo ? Zypper complains : /var/cache/zypp/packages/mer-core-i586/i586/binutils- EntĂȘte V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 7d236225: NOKEY19:11
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dm8tbrsmoku: try https19:14
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smokudm8tbr: good find. worked :)19:17
dm8tbrsmoku: I have to know that, I monitor plenty of OBSs ;) (including the tizen obs just for fun)19:17
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smokudm8tbr: monitor like with Nagios etc?19:26
dm8tbryes, icinga19:27
dm8tbrstarted doing this as meego core obs was constantly down19:27
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crevetorStskeeps: is there a public key for mer for the RPM packages or should I disable it ?19:33
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berndhsoh I'm in trouble now, says I did something forbidden19:34
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dm8tbrnaughty bernd ;)19:34
Stskeepscrevetor: next release doesn't have signed RPMs19:35
Stskeepscrevetor: actually most recent one, i think19:35
Stskeepswe need a better setup so19:35
crevetorStskeeps: I tried doing zypper --no-gpg-checks install perl19:35
Stskeepscrevetor: what mer snapshot are you on19:35
crevetorbut that doesn't seem to do the trick19:35
crevetorStskeeps: latest19:35
crevetorStskeeps: hold on19:36
crevetorso not latest19:36
Stskeepsthat one has the issue19:36
Stskeepscrevetor: workaround, wget
Stskeepsrpm --import repomd.xml.key19:37
crevetordoesn't seem to work :(19:39
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Stskeepsdo you use armv7hl or armv7l?19:58
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youami'm not quite sure if mer's what i'm searching for, but: i've got an n800 which is currently running os2008. can i install some (older) version of mer to get something more uptodate / current?20:05
Stskeepsnah, i wouldn't bother with old mer20:05
Stskeepslook at what cxl000 is doing though20:05
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youamStskeeps: okay, i'll rephrase it to more accurate question :) - what's the best i could do with my n800?20:08
Stskeepsyouam: contribute to cxl000's work to gain a new future for it :)20:08
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Stskeepsvgrade: i got an email20:10
vgradeStskeeps, just checking peregrine as that was the program which had the QtMessaging dep20:14
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vgradeleinir, hi20:14
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bigbluehatStskeeps: is there a place where cxl000 is tracking his stuff?20:27
bigbluehatyouam: welcome to the n800 troll club :D20:27
Stskeepsbigbluehat: here, maybe20:28
Stskeepscxl000: you could put up a wiki page on if you like to incubate at20:28
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vgradeStskeeps, page is up20:30
* bigbluehat the troll lumbers to wiki20:30
vgradeand very good work20:30
Stskeepscxl000: btw, i'd give up on even trying with the pvr20:30
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Stskeepsi've had everything at my disposal and it just isn't possible with components existing :/20:31
Stskeeps'lo Maneth, what brings you here?20:32
vgradeI likr the way the community wiki is growing, when things outgrow the main page they seem to branch off onto their own page20:32
Stskeepsvgrade: i'm pondering a bit to make wiki the homepage20:32
Stskeepsto illustrate the organic growth of the project20:33
vgradewhat abou the webpages which were in draft20:36
Stskeepsi wasn't able to get a response from rosskendal and i'm pondering how we best can leverage the community to work and document things20:36
Stskeepsbecause we're such a young project a lot of things can change and fairly quickly20:37
vgradewiki seems to be working in getting things written down20:38
Stskeepsdid you ever see the old mer wiki?20:39
vgradeyes I did, I remember looking at that for Joggler stuff 0.1620:40
Stskeepsyeah, good old times20:43
Stskeepswe should get mer on joggler sometime20:43
vgradesome nicks on there I recognise now from other more recent work , Hexxeh for instance has been working on Tegra stuff20:44
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vgradeStskeeps, your right, for old times. I'll do that20:44
vgradewith the new splash20:44
Stskeepsmer is still my procastination act to get a good kitchen tablet.. on my joggler20:46
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Stskeepswho won, you or dbus?21:51
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lbtI'd removed the kerberos libs21:52
lbtand it didn't like that21:52
lbtglad I found out what it was though21:53
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