Sunday, 2011-11-13

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vgrade10, browser dialer/sms camera clock/calendar weather maps music/video messages/im mail viop03:25
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timophhowdy07:46
timophhow's the revolution going?07:47
Bostikby degrees?07:49
timoph:)07:50
* timoph hasn't lately been really following what's happening with mer/nemo/etc07:50
timophI put all my free time contibutions on hiatus until things settle down (having a bit difficult times)07:52
Stskeepstimoph: quite well07:53
timophStskeeps: good to hear07:53
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Stskeepstimoph: a lot of interesting and cool videos of mer + uis out there on a lot of devices :)07:54
timophStskeeps: of btw, I got a 770 as a going away present from digia07:54
xruxalol07:55
timophin it's original sales package :)07:55
xruxayou mean like few years ago or recently?07:55
timophjust the other week07:55
Stskeepstimoph: hehe, shame we don't have an armv5 port just yet07:56
timophnow I have all the maemo devices except the n9 :)07:56
Stskeepsthere are people doing a n8x0 port though with pretty good results07:57
timophinteresting07:57
timophwould be nice to have some use for those devices07:57
* timoph subscribes to cx1000's youtube channel07:59
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timophthe mer+nemo seems to work quite nicely08:02
timophat least it seems a lot more responsive than the old meego based images08:03
timoph(judging by the video)08:03
Stskeepsyeah08:07
Stskeepswe upgraded a lot of things08:07
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* Stskeeps yawns10:19
Stskeepsarc_mat|tp: how's the opengl es side of things going?10:20
arc_mat|tpStskeeps: good morning10:20
arc_mat|tpStskeeps: I'm a bit stuck right now10:20
arc_mat|tpStskeeps: it starts to become alive, but I see nothing on the screen yet. X server happily loads the driver and seems to do something, but it's not ending up on the screen10:21
arc_mat|tpI'm guessing that something inside the PVR driver is not correctly initialized and so the actual drawing fails10:22
Stskeepsarc_mat|tp: ok, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/glestest  , chmod +x it, source code is glestest.cc if you're interested10:22
arc_mat|tpthanks10:23
Stskeepsare you able to get an xterm up?10:23
Stskeepsi would systemctl disable uxlaunch.service    and manually Xorg -noreset &   , export DISPLAY=:0, run xterm and glestest to see what the state of things are10:24
arc_mat|tpthat's a good idea10:24
Stskeepsthat's what i normally do for my own porting, so10:25
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arc_mat|tpI'll need to install xterm, though.10:25
Stskeepsyeah, true10:25
Stskeepsor some other X app10:25
Stskeepsqmlviewer might do the trick too10:25
arc_mat|tpI guess I'll find a package somewhere10:25
arc_mat|tpindeed10:25
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arc_mat|tpthis pvr kernel driver is giving me the creeps. the configuration is #ifdef hell10:26
StskeepsPVR is just a mess10:26
_av500_you can always use a hercules card :)10:27
arc_mat|tpStskeeps: Can I send you a Xorg.0.log to have a look? I have some questions about the userspace side of things, maybe there is also a configuration problem10:29
Stskeepsarc_mat|tp: sure10:29
Stskeepspastie.org is always good10:29
arc_mat|tpStskeeps: on Monday, probably. I don't have a system here atm.10:29
Stskeepsalright10:30
arc_mat|tppastie.org is nice, but the pastes are limited to 64kB. sometimes that's too little10:31
Stskeepstrue10:32
lbtmorning10:35
Stskeepsmorn lbt10:36
lbtcoffee then ldap10:38
Stskeepsyeah.. i'm going out for dinner10:39
Stskeepsi decided my mind needed some play so i have Mer for MIPS building in OBS atm10:39
Stskeepsbootstrapping surely but slowly10:39
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Stskeepssee my comment on your systemd commit, there is something awry we need to tell vendors about10:40
Stskeepsit caused my n950 to fail to boot10:40
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lbtOK10:46
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lbtgerrit appears very very slow10:48
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Stskeepssage will look into it monday10:48
Stskeepslbt: well, we have to live with the slowness until your box is up :P10:48
Stskeepsthe we can organise things properly10:49
Stskeepsload average: 25.86, 22.92, 15.2510:49
lbtuh-huh10:49
Stskeepsi'm doing two DBC's atm10:51
lbtdbc?10:56
Stskeepsdependency build checks10:56
Stskeepsi found some really insane code in the db4 packaging last night10:57
Stskeepsone is supporting db1.85 which i haven't found any use for, second is that it was fixing stuff in all of the html documentation that it later on in packaging removed10:57
Stskeepsthat kind of stuff just makes me angry from a cross compile pov10:57
Stskeeps:P10:57
lbt*g*10:58
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lbtI'm going to make a merproject.org CA cert11:09
lbtrabbit holes ....11:09
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vgrademorning12:03
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Jucatogreetings vgrade!12:09
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vgradeJucato, hi, Sundy morning hangover, usual sketch12:11
Jucatoheheh12:11
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w00tlbt: do you know whether we'll be keeping the bugtracker db yet?12:31
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* w00t wants to start filing bugs to get things off his mind12:31
lbtgive me a bit - working on that today12:32
lbtprobably not12:32
w00tah, cool12:32
* w00t pokes things back into his head for now then :)12:32
lbtI suggest writing them down in a way that makes them easy to paste12:32
lbtwe're very close12:32
w00twell, the biggest issue I might actually be able to solve today12:35
w00tif I get enough time12:35
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Stskeepslbt: ever done obs+kvm worker on debian phost?13:36
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Stskeepsin other news, the only user i could find in Mer of db1.85 is iproute's arpd.14:07
w00tlol14:10
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w00to/ frals14:10
w00tyay, after dinner and shots, qt is built14:11
w00tsuccess \m/14:11
Stskeepsand shots? man, you are really going for the finnish culture14:12
w00ti was sort of thinking, i wonder if this country encourages a culture of alcoholism..14:13
w00t:P14:13
Bostikno14:13
w00t(or if qt debugging does)14:13
Bostikit requires that...14:13
* w00t fetches his n950 and a usb cable14:13
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Bostikfrom what I've heard the Finnish winter is reason enough for some foreigners to get prescribed anti-depressants14:16
w00thaha14:16
w00ti'd be fine, i like winter14:16
BostikI'm a native and I absolutely *hate* winter in here14:16
* w00t lives in the middle of norway nowdays, after being born and brought up in australia14:17
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berndhsgood solid winter weather is nice - for a month maybe14:18
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Stskeepslbt: how's ldap coming along?14:45
lbtrunning but needs a bit of config14:45
Stskeepsalright14:45
lbtthey've moved entirely to cn=config which is a bit fiddly14:45
lbtwe also have docs for running CA14:45
lbtso all we need to share is the merproject.org master cert and we can then sign bugzilla etc properly14:46
Stskeeps:nod:14:46
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lbt(we need certs for LDAP)14:46
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dm8tbrBostik: meh, no problems with winter up here, but the autumn sucks. it's so damn dark without the snow!14:47
Stskeepslbt: we should also look at the ldap account creation story14:47
lbt*nod*14:48
dm8tbrin other news I just tried out that google 2-step authentication thing, very nice and with a small patch usable for optional hardening of pam14:48
dm8tbrnow I just need to build this qt token on cobs *sigh*14:48
lbtoh yeah - w00t found a clue for the vanishing workers - cancelling a job by doing a new commit whilst building14:49
w00t:)14:52
slonopotamusStskeeps: have you digged into retu-rtc by chance?14:56
Stskeepsslonopotamus: not horribly but very useful chip14:56
Stskeepsslonopotamus: felipe balbi worked on it i think14:56
slonopotamusStskeeps: all i found is that it has 8 bits for _day_. and i don't see any info on year14:57
slonopotamusStskeeps: trying to fix 3.1 kernel to properly read system time but i don't understand where to take year from14:58
Stskeepsit's probably something like 2000 + year14:58
Bostikmeh, if the climate doesn't allow to walk in nothing but loincloth all year round and collect fresh avocados from personal garden, it's too darn cold14:59
slonopotamusStskeeps: there's no year register, that's the point15:00
Stskeepsok15:00
Stskeepsslonopotamus: can you ask me tomorrow?15:01
matrixxStskeeps: I uploaded first draft of the bringup code to the cobs15:07
matrixxStskeeps: but I'm a cobs noob and I'm stuck again15:08
Stskeepsmatrixx: ask away15:08
matrixxI added 3 mer targets from the simple UI, but can't see any of them in the build status box15:08
matrixxif it helps any, the project is home:matrix:merux15:09
* w00t thinks he found his Qt bug15:09
w00tcelebrations15:09
matrixx*home:matrixx:merux15:09
matrixxw00t: congrats :)15:10
Stskeepsmatrixx: let me take a look15:11
w00tnow i just need to wait for another Qt build to confirm it *eg*15:11
matrixxStskeeps: that would be nice15:12
Stskeepsmatrixx: "advanced" -> "raw config" is your new best friend15:12
Stskeepsyou're missing <arch> lines15:12
Stskeeps Building against Mer in COBS: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS15:12
Stskeepsjust add what's there15:12
Stskeepsand remove the old15:13
Stskeepsmatrixx: got a screenshot by chance of it, in any form?15:13
matrixxStskeeps: thanks, I'll try that out15:13
matrixxStskeeps: that helped :)15:15
Stskeepsgood :)15:15
matrixxI was also looking for to find the correct target for intel tablet meego on exopc15:16
matrixxsince I don't have mer installed anywhere and would like to try it out with touchscreen to see if the feedback works15:16
w00tStskeeps: hmmm...15:16
matrixxnow I just tested on desktop and added the feedbacks afterwards15:16
w00twe should really disable webkit in Qt's builds, and build qtwebkit from their (seperate) releases15:17
w00tthe snapshot in Qt isn't really maintained well/at all15:17
w00tI'll ask to confirm that opinion with them, but I think that's what they'll recommend15:17
* w00t files another mental bug15:18
Stskeepsw00t: huh, webkit builds inside qt ?15:19
w00tnot positive, but it was at least qmaking15:19
* w00t looks at the configuration15:19
Stskeepsi would think it's disabled15:19
w00thmm...15:20
w00tit says it is15:20
w00tthat's strange15:20
w00toof15:20
w00ti see one thing we should probably fix15:20
w00t-fast is not really fast15:20
Stskeepsoh?15:20
w00tit generates stub makefiles for each part that call qmake whenever it tries to build those parts of qt instead of just qmaking everything at configure time, but i'm pretty sure that ends up in longer build time15:21
Stskeepsprobably yeah15:21
w00ti'm also curious why you need to pass -I to freetype215:23
w00tbut hmm, one thing at a time15:23
w00t:P15:23
matrixxStskeeps: wait a sec, I'll take a screenshot :)15:27
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Stskeepslbt: OBS does ldap too i assume?15:30
lbtyes15:30
lbtI think it can create ldap accounts too15:31
matrixxhmm, have to take video instead, the shader is too fast, the screenshot misses it15:33
Stskeepslbt: do we have statistics about average / min / max duration of job time on COBS?15:34
lbtno15:35
Stskeepsok15:35
* Stskeeps ponders if he can collect that for CE:* things15:36
matrixxnaah, the shader doesn't show well on video either, skips too much frames :/15:38
Stskeepsmatrixx: just general perception is fine :)15:38
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matrixxthis is just a first draft anyway, there's one of the blue mer bg's from wazd which has the mer logo in the middle15:39
Stskeeps:nod:15:39
matrixxand when you touch the screen, the point where you touch sends some ripples15:39
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matrixxlike a water drop would have fallen there15:39
matrixxand also experimental touch feedback, but haven't been able to try it out yet15:40
matrixxand apparently can't yet since it's not compiling in obs :(15:40
matrixxnow I need to learn to interpret the build logs :P15:41
matrixxI think there's a long path from a qtcreator generated spec file to one which is eaten by obs15:41
Stskeepsnice15:44
Stskeepslbt: think on-disk build would benefit from rpm not insisting on fsync?15:44
lbtthere's a library called libeatmydata15:45
Stskeepshmm?15:46
w00tlibeatmydata disables disk syncs15:46
lbtI think it uses LD_PRELOAD or something15:46
w00thttp://flamingspork.com/projects/libeatmydata/15:46
Stskeepsah15:47
Stskeeps..15:47
lbtphaeron's done some work on it15:47
Stskeepsi think the hack that's in 'build' doesn't work15:48
* Stskeeps needs to confirm15:48
lbtI think it's totally valid for builds though15:48
w00twell really, if a build gets 'eaten', you make another15:48
w00tit's not really end of the world type scenario :)15:48
lbtexactly15:48
w00tso yeah15:48
* w00t eyes his Qt build15:49
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w00twoo, looks like it's writing stuff15:52
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w00tgod, writing rpms takes an age :P15:57
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w00tlbt: slightly insane, random idea i had about speeding up builds - how possible would it be to pre-configure one job before the running one had finished building/writing RPMs?16:03
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w00tok... now the measurement phase16:14
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w00tStskeeps: http://qtl.me/ASM.txt16:21
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w00tooh16:23
w00twe have an added bonus from this patch16:23
w00tblack flashes when minimizing/maximising apps are much much reduced16:23
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w00tqml components apps still seem to do it, which is strange16:24
Stskeepsnice16:24
w00tso i imagine that will help n950 quite a bit16:25
w00ter16:25
w00tn90016:25
Stskeepsyes16:26
Stskeepsand beagleboard possibly too16:27
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w00ti'll try productize the patches a bit tomorrow (if i get time) and create patches for configs16:27
w00tafter that, i think we're pretty much ready16:27
w00tif you want to tinker, it's in home:w00t:branches:Mer:fake:Core:i586/qt16:28
Stskeepsok16:28
w00tset QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM to runtime and QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM to meego16:28
Stskeepsdoes it work OK on devices that don't set those?16:28
w00tyes, it'll continue to work as before16:28
w00tor should - i haven't tested it but i'm ~90% certain it'll be fine16:29
Stskeepsok16:29
w00tif you have something to throw it on, that'd be good16:29
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Stskeepscan ask harbaum to try out the qt on armv7l i guess16:31
Stskeepson beagle16:31
w00tthat'd be good16:31
* w00t out, for a few hours16:31
Stskeepscya16:31
matrixxStskeeps: one question, do I need something else than "zypper update" to notice that there's a more recent version in my obs home repository?16:33
matrixxit always says I already have the latest, but it's not :(16:33
Stskeepsperhaps zypper ref16:33
matrixxbtw, the packages succeeded now, I disabled the qt 4.8 dependencies for now, to try out with meego on exopc16:34
matrixxzypper ref helped btw, thanks :)16:34
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matrixxStskeeps: there's a short video of it running on exo: http://koti.kapsi.fi/matrixx/meego/merux_ripples.mp417:35
matrixxnot fastest possible opengl es, but fair17:35
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Stskeepsmatrixx: will look when home18:18
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lbtldap up with groups, cn=config, certs (and so SSL)18:35
Stskeepscool18:36
Stskeepsthanks18:36
lbtabout to login to monster and add a vlan110 bridge18:36
lbtwe should be able to bridge that to zathras and co18:37
lbtand then have ldap work like that18:37
lbtnext step will be a tiny ldap VM on monster running syncrepl18:37
lbtwhich is also enabled18:37
Stskeeps:nod:18:38
lbtBTW ldap is a complete bitch when it comes to error messages and SSL and stuff18:38
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Stskeepsfun18:39
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Stskeepshow do you plan on bridging? openvpn?18:39
lbtI think so18:39
Stskeepsk18:40
Stskeepsvlan110, btw\18:40
Stskeeps?18:40
lbtrandom number - used it in meego as the admin vlan18:41
lbtso it will be familiar to niels and others18:41
lbtwe won't really need vlans in the same way but it does mean that the VMs are totally isolated18:42
Stskeepsalright18:42
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lbtis monster the current phost ?18:46
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Stskeepsyeah, it is set up horribly18:46
lbtdo I have root via sudo?18:46
Stskeepsnot atm18:46
Stskeepsi have to be home to add that18:47
lbtOK - I'll wait then18:47
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cxl000slonopotamus I think you need to get year/months from calibration space20:12
slonopotamuscxl000: well, i came to that conclusion too. but that's insane20:12
Stskeepsyes, doesnt ring true in my ears20:13
Stskeepsask me tomorrow and i will take a look20:14
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vgradeStskeeps, do you know why QtMessaging has been commented out of the QtMobility spec?20:44
Stskeepsdo me a favour and mail that question to mailing list20:47
Stskeepsi will recall it tomorrow then.. family dinner with vodka shots, you get the gist20:47
Stskeeps:P20:48
dm8tbrStskeeps: jedz, pij i popuszczaj pasa!20:48
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cxl000slonopotamus, the n810 run "chroot /mnt/initfs/ /usr/bin/retutime -i" this binary refers to the RTC config block "retu-rtc" which appears in the calibration21:08
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lbtyay ... phost vpn management LAN23:38
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