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| timoph | howdy | 07:46 |
| timoph | how's the revolution going? | 07:47 |
| Bostik | by degrees? | 07:49 |
| timoph | :) | 07:50 |
| * timoph hasn't lately been really following what's happening with mer/nemo/etc | 07:50 | |
| timoph | I put all my free time contibutions on hiatus until things settle down (having a bit difficult times) | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: quite well | 07:53 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: good to hear | 07:53 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: a lot of interesting and cool videos of mer + uis out there on a lot of devices :) | 07:54 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: of btw, I got a 770 as a going away present from digia | 07:54 |
| xruxa | lol | 07:55 |
| timoph | in it's original sales package :) | 07:55 |
| xruxa | you mean like few years ago or recently? | 07:55 |
| timoph | just the other week | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: hehe, shame we don't have an armv5 port just yet | 07:56 |
| timoph | now I have all the maemo devices except the n9 :) | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | there are people doing a n8x0 port though with pretty good results | 07:57 |
| timoph | interesting | 07:57 |
| timoph | would be nice to have some use for those devices | 07:57 |
| * timoph subscribes to cx1000's youtube channel | 07:59 | |
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| timoph | the mer+nemo seems to work quite nicely | 08:02 |
| timoph | at least it seems a lot more responsive than the old meego based images | 08:03 |
| timoph | (judging by the video) | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | we upgraded a lot of things | 08:07 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 10:19 | |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat|tp: how's the opengl es side of things going? | 10:20 |
| arc_mat|tp | Stskeeps: good morning | 10:20 |
| arc_mat|tp | Stskeeps: I'm a bit stuck right now | 10:20 |
| arc_mat|tp | Stskeeps: it starts to become alive, but I see nothing on the screen yet. X server happily loads the driver and seems to do something, but it's not ending up on the screen | 10:21 |
| arc_mat|tp | I'm guessing that something inside the PVR driver is not correctly initialized and so the actual drawing fails | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat|tp: ok, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/glestest , chmod +x it, source code is glestest.cc if you're interested | 10:22 |
| arc_mat|tp | thanks | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | are you able to get an xterm up? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | i would systemctl disable uxlaunch.service and manually Xorg -noreset & , export DISPLAY=:0, run xterm and glestest to see what the state of things are | 10:24 |
| arc_mat|tp | that's a good idea | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i normally do for my own porting, so | 10:25 |
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| arc_mat|tp | I'll need to install xterm, though. | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | or some other X app | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | qmlviewer might do the trick too | 10:25 |
| arc_mat|tp | I guess I'll find a package somewhere | 10:25 |
| arc_mat|tp | indeed | 10:25 |
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| arc_mat|tp | this pvr kernel driver is giving me the creeps. the configuration is #ifdef hell | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | PVR is just a mess | 10:26 |
| _av500_ | you can always use a hercules card :) | 10:27 |
| arc_mat|tp | Stskeeps: Can I send you a Xorg.0.log to have a look? I have some questions about the userspace side of things, maybe there is also a configuration problem | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat|tp: sure | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | pastie.org is always good | 10:29 |
| arc_mat|tp | Stskeeps: on Monday, probably. I don't have a system here atm. | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 10:30 |
| arc_mat|tp | pastie.org is nice, but the pastes are limited to 64kB. sometimes that's too little | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | true | 10:32 |
| lbt | morning | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 10:36 |
| lbt | coffee then ldap | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i'm going out for dinner | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | i decided my mind needed some play so i have Mer for MIPS building in OBS atm | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | bootstrapping surely but slowly | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | see my comment on your systemd commit, there is something awry we need to tell vendors about | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | it caused my n950 to fail to boot | 10:40 |
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| lbt | OK | 10:46 |
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| lbt | gerrit appears very very slow | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | sage will look into it monday | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, we have to live with the slowness until your box is up :P | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | the we can organise things properly | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | load average: 25.86, 22.92, 15.25 | 10:49 |
| lbt | uh-huh | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'm doing two DBC's atm | 10:51 |
| lbt | dbc? | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | dependency build checks | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | i found some really insane code in the db4 packaging last night | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | one is supporting db1.85 which i haven't found any use for, second is that it was fixing stuff in all of the html documentation that it later on in packaging removed | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | that kind of stuff just makes me angry from a cross compile pov | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:57 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:58 |
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| lbt | I'm going to make a merproject.org CA cert | 11:09 |
| lbt | rabbit holes .... | 11:09 |
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| vgrade | morning | 12:03 |
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| Jucato | greetings vgrade! | 12:09 |
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| vgrade | Jucato, hi, Sundy morning hangover, usual sketch | 12:11 |
| Jucato | heheh | 12:11 |
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| w00t | lbt: do you know whether we'll be keeping the bugtracker db yet? | 12:31 |
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| * w00t wants to start filing bugs to get things off his mind | 12:31 | |
| lbt | give me a bit - working on that today | 12:32 |
| lbt | probably not | 12:32 |
| w00t | ah, cool | 12:32 |
| * w00t pokes things back into his head for now then :) | 12:32 | |
| lbt | I suggest writing them down in a way that makes them easy to paste | 12:32 |
| lbt | we're very close | 12:32 |
| w00t | well, the biggest issue I might actually be able to solve today | 12:35 |
| w00t | if I get enough time | 12:35 |
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| Stskeeps | in other news, the only user i could find in Mer of db1.85 is iproute's arpd. | 14:07 |
| w00t | lol | 14:10 |
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| w00t | o/ frals | 14:10 |
| w00t | yay, after dinner and shots, qt is built | 14:11 |
| w00t | success \m/ | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | and shots? man, you are really going for the finnish culture | 14:12 |
| w00t | i was sort of thinking, i wonder if this country encourages a culture of alcoholism.. | 14:13 |
| w00t | :P | 14:13 |
| Bostik | no | 14:13 |
| w00t | (or if qt debugging does) | 14:13 |
| Bostik | it requires that... | 14:13 |
| * w00t fetches his n950 and a usb cable | 14:13 | |
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| Bostik | from what I've heard the Finnish winter is reason enough for some foreigners to get prescribed anti-depressants | 14:16 |
| w00t | haha | 14:16 |
| w00t | i'd be fine, i like winter | 14:16 |
| Bostik | I'm a native and I absolutely *hate* winter in here | 14:16 |
| * w00t lives in the middle of norway nowdays, after being born and brought up in australia | 14:17 | |
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| berndhs | good solid winter weather is nice - for a month maybe | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: how's ldap coming along? | 14:45 |
| lbt | running but needs a bit of config | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:45 |
| lbt | they've moved entirely to cn=config which is a bit fiddly | 14:45 |
| lbt | we also have docs for running CA | 14:45 |
| lbt | so all we need to share is the merproject.org master cert and we can then sign bugzilla etc properly | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:46 |
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| lbt | (we need certs for LDAP) | 14:46 |
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| dm8tbr | Bostik: meh, no problems with winter up here, but the autumn sucks. it's so damn dark without the snow! | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: we should also look at the ldap account creation story | 14:47 |
| lbt | *nod* | 14:48 |
| dm8tbr | in other news I just tried out that google 2-step authentication thing, very nice and with a small patch usable for optional hardening of pam | 14:48 |
| dm8tbr | now I just need to build this qt token on cobs *sigh* | 14:48 |
| lbt | oh yeah - w00t found a clue for the vanishing workers - cancelling a job by doing a new commit whilst building | 14:49 |
| w00t | :) | 14:52 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: have you digged into retu-rtc by chance? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: not horribly but very useful chip | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: felipe balbi worked on it i think | 14:56 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: all i found is that it has 8 bits for _day_. and i don't see any info on year | 14:57 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: trying to fix 3.1 kernel to properly read system time but i don't understand where to take year from | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's probably something like 2000 + year | 14:58 |
| Bostik | meh, if the climate doesn't allow to walk in nothing but loincloth all year round and collect fresh avocados from personal garden, it's too darn cold | 14:59 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: there's no year register, that's the point | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: can you ask me tomorrow? | 15:01 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: I uploaded first draft of the bringup code to the cobs | 15:07 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: but I'm a cobs noob and I'm stuck again | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: ask away | 15:08 |
| matrixx | I added 3 mer targets from the simple UI, but can't see any of them in the build status box | 15:08 |
| matrixx | if it helps any, the project is home:matrix:merux | 15:09 |
| * w00t thinks he found his Qt bug | 15:09 | |
| w00t | celebrations | 15:09 |
| matrixx | *home:matrixx:merux | 15:09 |
| matrixx | w00t: congrats :) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: let me take a look | 15:11 |
| w00t | now i just need to wait for another Qt build to confirm it *eg* | 15:11 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: that would be nice | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: "advanced" -> "raw config" is your new best friend | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | you're missing <arch> lines | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | Building against Mer in COBS: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | just add what's there | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | and remove the old | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: got a screenshot by chance of it, in any form? | 15:13 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: thanks, I'll try that out | 15:13 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: that helped :) | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 15:15 |
| matrixx | I was also looking for to find the correct target for intel tablet meego on exopc | 15:16 |
| matrixx | since I don't have mer installed anywhere and would like to try it out with touchscreen to see if the feedback works | 15:16 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: hmmm... | 15:16 |
| matrixx | now I just tested on desktop and added the feedbacks afterwards | 15:16 |
| w00t | we should really disable webkit in Qt's builds, and build qtwebkit from their (seperate) releases | 15:17 |
| w00t | the snapshot in Qt isn't really maintained well/at all | 15:17 |
| w00t | I'll ask to confirm that opinion with them, but I think that's what they'll recommend | 15:17 |
| * w00t files another mental bug | 15:18 | |
| Stskeeps | w00t: huh, webkit builds inside qt ? | 15:19 |
| w00t | not positive, but it was at least qmaking | 15:19 |
| * w00t looks at the configuration | 15:19 | |
| Stskeeps | i would think it's disabled | 15:19 |
| w00t | hmm... | 15:20 |
| w00t | it says it is | 15:20 |
| w00t | that's strange | 15:20 |
| w00t | oof | 15:20 |
| w00t | i see one thing we should probably fix | 15:20 |
| w00t | -fast is not really fast | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 15:20 |
| w00t | it generates stub makefiles for each part that call qmake whenever it tries to build those parts of qt instead of just qmaking everything at configure time, but i'm pretty sure that ends up in longer build time | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | probably yeah | 15:21 |
| w00t | i'm also curious why you need to pass -I to freetype2 | 15:23 |
| w00t | but hmm, one thing at a time | 15:23 |
| w00t | :P | 15:23 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: wait a sec, I'll take a screenshot :) | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: OBS does ldap too i assume? | 15:30 |
| lbt | yes | 15:30 |
| lbt | I think it can create ldap accounts too | 15:31 |
| matrixx | hmm, have to take video instead, the shader is too fast, the screenshot misses it | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: do we have statistics about average / min / max duration of job time on COBS? | 15:34 |
| lbt | no | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:35 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he can collect that for CE:* things | 15:36 | |
| matrixx | naah, the shader doesn't show well on video either, skips too much frames :/ | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: just general perception is fine :) | 15:38 |
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| matrixx | this is just a first draft anyway, there's one of the blue mer bg's from wazd which has the mer logo in the middle | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:39 |
| matrixx | and when you touch the screen, the point where you touch sends some ripples | 15:39 |
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| matrixx | like a water drop would have fallen there | 15:39 |
| matrixx | and also experimental touch feedback, but haven't been able to try it out yet | 15:40 |
| matrixx | and apparently can't yet since it's not compiling in obs :( | 15:40 |
| matrixx | now I need to learn to interpret the build logs :P | 15:41 |
| matrixx | I think there's a long path from a qtcreator generated spec file to one which is eaten by obs | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | nice | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: think on-disk build would benefit from rpm not insisting on fsync? | 15:44 |
| lbt | there's a library called libeatmydata | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 15:46 |
| w00t | libeatmydata disables disk syncs | 15:46 |
| lbt | I think it uses LD_PRELOAD or something | 15:46 |
| w00t | http://flamingspork.com/projects/libeatmydata/ | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 15:47 |
| lbt | phaeron's done some work on it | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | i think the hack that's in 'build' doesn't work | 15:48 |
| * Stskeeps needs to confirm | 15:48 | |
| lbt | I think it's totally valid for builds though | 15:48 |
| w00t | well really, if a build gets 'eaten', you make another | 15:48 |
| w00t | it's not really end of the world type scenario :) | 15:48 |
| lbt | exactly | 15:48 |
| w00t | so yeah | 15:48 |
| * w00t eyes his Qt build | 15:49 | |
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| w00t | woo, looks like it's writing stuff | 15:52 |
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| w00t | god, writing rpms takes an age :P | 15:57 |
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| w00t | lbt: slightly insane, random idea i had about speeding up builds - how possible would it be to pre-configure one job before the running one had finished building/writing RPMs? | 16:03 |
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| w00t | ok... now the measurement phase | 16:14 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: http://qtl.me/ASM.txt | 16:21 |
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| w00t | ooh | 16:23 |
| w00t | we have an added bonus from this patch | 16:23 |
| w00t | black flashes when minimizing/maximising apps are much much reduced | 16:23 |
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| w00t | qml components apps still seem to do it, which is strange | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | nice | 16:24 |
| w00t | so i imagine that will help n950 quite a bit | 16:25 |
| w00t | er | 16:25 |
| w00t | n900 | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | and beagleboard possibly too | 16:27 |
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| w00t | i'll try productize the patches a bit tomorrow (if i get time) and create patches for configs | 16:27 |
| w00t | after that, i think we're pretty much ready | 16:27 |
| w00t | if you want to tinker, it's in home:w00t:branches:Mer:fake:Core:i586/qt | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:28 |
| w00t | set QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM to runtime and QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM to meego | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | does it work OK on devices that don't set those? | 16:28 |
| w00t | yes, it'll continue to work as before | 16:28 |
| w00t | or should - i haven't tested it but i'm ~90% certain it'll be fine | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:29 |
| w00t | if you have something to throw it on, that'd be good | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | can ask harbaum to try out the qt on armv7l i guess | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | on beagle | 16:31 |
| w00t | that'd be good | 16:31 |
| * w00t out, for a few hours | 16:31 | |
| Stskeeps | cya | 16:31 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: one question, do I need something else than "zypper update" to notice that there's a more recent version in my obs home repository? | 16:33 |
| matrixx | it always says I already have the latest, but it's not :( | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps zypper ref | 16:33 |
| matrixx | btw, the packages succeeded now, I disabled the qt 4.8 dependencies for now, to try out with meego on exopc | 16:34 |
| matrixx | zypper ref helped btw, thanks :) | 16:34 |
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| matrixx | Stskeeps: there's a short video of it running on exo: http://koti.kapsi.fi/matrixx/meego/merux_ripples.mp4 | 17:35 |
| matrixx | not fastest possible opengl es, but fair | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | matrixx: will look when home | 18:18 |
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| lbt | ldap up with groups, cn=config, certs (and so SSL) | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 18:36 |
| lbt | about to login to monster and add a vlan110 bridge | 18:36 |
| lbt | we should be able to bridge that to zathras and co | 18:37 |
| lbt | and then have ldap work like that | 18:37 |
| lbt | next step will be a tiny ldap VM on monster running syncrepl | 18:37 |
| lbt | which is also enabled | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:38 |
| lbt | BTW ldap is a complete bitch when it comes to error messages and SSL and stuff | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | fun | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | how do you plan on bridging? openvpn? | 18:39 |
| lbt | I think so | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | vlan110, btw\ | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:40 |
| lbt | random number - used it in meego as the admin vlan | 18:41 |
| lbt | so it will be familiar to niels and others | 18:41 |
| lbt | we won't really need vlans in the same way but it does mean that the VMs are totally isolated | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:42 |
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| lbt | is monster the current phost ? | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it is set up horribly | 18:46 |
| lbt | do I have root via sudo? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | not atm | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | i have to be home to add that | 18:47 |
| lbt | OK - I'll wait then | 18:47 |
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| cxl000 | slonopotamus I think you need to get year/months from calibration space | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | cxl000: well, i came to that conclusion too. but that's insane | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes, doesnt ring true in my ears | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | ask me tomorrow and i will take a look | 20:14 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, do you know why QtMessaging has been commented out of the QtMobility spec? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | do me a favour and mail that question to mailing list | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | i will recall it tomorrow then.. family dinner with vodka shots, you get the gist | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: jedz, pij i popuszczaj pasa! | 20:48 |
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| _av500_ | [+1] | 20:59 |
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| cxl000 | slonopotamus, the n810 run "chroot /mnt/initfs/ /usr/bin/retutime -i" this binary refers to the RTC config block "retu-rtc" which appears in the calibration | 21:08 |
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| lbt | yay ... phost vpn management LAN | 23:38 |
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