| berndhs | he just says that and hides someplace, keeps working | 00:00 |
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| iekku | :DDDD | 00:01 |
| iekku | one friend of mine has slept 20h last "night", i started calculating and ..... | 00:02 |
| iekku | lucky bastard has slept same time in on "night" than i do in 3 day | 00:02 |
| iekku | on=one | 00:03 |
| iekku | (if i sleep well) | 00:03 |
| berndhs | that's unhealthy | 00:03 |
| iekku | i agree and said it to her :P | 00:03 |
| berndhs | also consider that we only live 700,000 hours, so sleeping too much you miss a lot | 00:04 |
| iekku | :D | 00:04 |
| iekku | but i need to say, i don't agree with "older people needs less sleep" | 00:05 |
| berndhs | my sleeping hours ahven't changed much over my life | 00:06 |
| iekku | have notice that when i'm getting older under 6h sleep /day isn't enough | 00:06 |
| berndhs | i need about 7 or so, with less I burn out in a few months | 00:07 |
| berndhs | then I make so many mistakes its better to not even start working, so I dont go backwards | 00:07 |
| iekku | this autumns has been bad to me, trying to get sleep earlier, but problem is that i don't sleep well after 2 am | 00:07 |
| berndhs | try moving south to where the nights are not so long | 00:08 |
| iekku | in the summertime the night is short... | 00:09 |
| iekku | and the problem is same | 00:09 |
| berndhs | yes its confusing up north | 00:09 |
| berndhs | can't tell night from day by looking at the sun | 00:09 |
| iekku | i'm sleepless in 3rd generation.. | 00:09 |
| iekku | but i think it's time to go back to bed, try to get some sleep | 00:10 |
| iekku | have a nice evening :) | 00:10 |
| lbt | count bugs :) | 00:10 |
| berndhs | read some boring research paper | 00:10 |
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| iekku | lbt, it just makes me worried if someone is taking care of those :P | 00:10 |
| lbt | well, we only have 5 | 00:11 |
| iekku | i hope after this weekend mer and nemo has bz up and wiki help about the em | 00:11 |
| * lbt is doing infra now | 00:12 | |
| lbt | ldap soon | 00:12 |
| iekku | and there's wonderful bug master joining to both projects | 00:12 |
| lbt | :) | 00:12 |
| iekku | we can play good and evil cops with him :P | 00:12 |
| iekku | --> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 00:13 |
| lbt | g'night | 00:13 |
| iekku | not letting the bed bugs bite | 00:14 |
| lbt | *g* | 00:14 |
| iekku | :D | 00:14 |
| berndhs | good night | 00:15 |
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| Stskeeps | tripzero: pong | 07:21 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, o/ | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | morn araujo | 07:23 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, how it goes? | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | just woke up and verifying my OBS builds has finished up | 07:26 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, nice latest nemo image :) | 07:30 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, but, is there any problem with package integrity check during installation? | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes there is, i'm fixing that in next mer release | 07:30 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, for now safe to install with --no-gpg-checks , or what? | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:32 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, mm... it doesn't seem to work with that flag | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | where are you hitting the error: | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 07:34 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, latest nemo image? ... trying to install diff | 07:35 |
| araujo | warning: /var/cache/zypp/packages/mer-core-armv7hl/armv7hl/diffutils-2.8.1-1.1.Mer.armv7hl.rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID fff260fb: NOKEY | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | araujo: workaround: wget http://monster.tspre.org:2082/Core%3a/armv7hl/Core_armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml.key | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | rpm --import repomd.xml.key | 07:37 |
| araujo | Thanks Stskeeps | 07:38 |
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| narcisgarcia | Hello | 07:45 |
| narcisgarcia | I have some questions about Mer GNU/Linux distribution. | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | ask away | 07:45 |
| narcisgarcia | Is RPM based or DEBian based for packages administration? | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | RPM | 07:47 |
| narcisgarcia | Thanks. | 07:47 |
| narcisgarcia | I understand that one Mer objective for Mer is to have a 100% L/GPL operating system in a device, but, how about device drivers? | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | right, so, Mer (nowadays, i'm not sure what page you've been reading) is a open source core, which others take, combine with a UI and hardware adaptation | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | those UI and hardware adaptations are outside the project and can possibly have closed source in them | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | we don't even deliver a kernel in Mer, :) | 07:49 |
| narcisgarcia | Ok, is there any experience of assembling Mer + UI + Hardware? | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | narcisgarcia: i can show you some videos of people who have done it with amazing results? | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFbWDXTqLk - Plasma Active on N950 on Mer core. | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCCxjO0CXjw - Mer + the Nemo project (handset) | 07:51 |
| narcisgarcia | I don't need proofs, I want to know the status of distribution and implementation. | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | well, videos do a pretty good justice to showing what we've got going on | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace is various images people have made, ie, installable softwarer | 07:52 |
| narcisgarcia | Taking example of Maemo (= Debian with closed drivers), what does replace Mer in terms of freedom? | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | narcisgarcia: Mer provides a stable set of software/giving a platform for others to build upon, both open and closed | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | narcisgarcia: http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi is what Mer consists of | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | a thin, 312 package core for others to take, collaborate on and build on top of | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | all of it OSS, but if people want to make a product with closed source software on top of Mer, who are we to stop them? | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | because in practice, people who will make products -will have to- add differentiation | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | but on the other hand, if you're capable of making an entirely open source product, Mer gives a strength usually reserved for companies who are able to hire a large bunch of linux engineers, as you don't have to do that part of the work yourself | 08:00 |
| narcisgarcia | Ok, Mer is FLOSS with where someone can implement other software (open or closed). But I had understood that Mer was a project to replace some still closed part in mobile devices. | 08:01 |
| narcisgarcia | I still not see the exact aspect of Mer useful to replace closed software. | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | sort-of, the thing is that there isn't actually any openly developed mobile core | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGo was that but failed in focus and other areas | 08:02 |
| narcisgarcia | When you say «core», what are you talking about? Kernel? Boot? Calling application? | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | narcisgarcia: saw the gitweb above? | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's pretty much it | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | a nice solid Linux Qt/QML/HTML5/JS core | 08:03 |
| narcisgarcia | Do you mean a complete distribution? | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | nop, just a core, you still have to add things above to make it remotely useful | 08:04 |
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| narcisgarcia | I believe that all begins with a distribution project. | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | add a hardware adaptation and it boots into a qml viewer, add a UI and it boots into your UI | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | right, so, it's a distribution but it's also a tool to make 'distributions'.. in practice, each product has their own unique distribution | 08:05 |
| narcisgarcia | Aha. | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | as it's a combination of a lot of software | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | so it's just easier to think of it as a core that you add things on top of instead of distribution terms | 08:06 |
| narcisgarcia | I'm not an OS developer, and I'm also looking for a hardware-cross distribution for mobile devices, such as OpenWRT in routers. | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | basically, the rationale is that everyone making a mobile linux product will have to cut, slice, combine, manage, package and merge the existing open source softwares that exist out there | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | to make it fit in a mobile setting, also do own porting to architectures, get security updates, etc | 08:08 |
| narcisgarcia | Is there some project ready for production or testing, similar to what I'm looking for? (as the example of OpenWRT) | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | why not combine this effort, leaving out the areas that usually cause a lot of politics, such as user interfaces and hardware adaptations, so we can focus on what is important to all of us | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | narcisgarcia: well, Mer is still growing up but already has people doing amazing things with it - after all, we just announced a little over a month ago :) | 08:09 |
| narcisgarcia | The most important for me is maximum FLOSS of all parts working on my device. | 08:09 |
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| Stskeeps | i can tell you of the example of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCCxjO0CXjw how that's put together | 08:10 |
| narcisgarcia | Ok, I didn't know the young of project. | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | the Nemo thing | 08:10 |
| narcisgarcia | What is Nemo? Does have its web page? | 08:10 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 08:11 |
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| Stskeeps | it has a open source UI, but hardware adaptation, being for nokia n900, has some redistributable, but closed source, but to give you fast 3d and camera support, telephony, etc | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | brb breakfast | 08:12 |
| narcisgarcia | Returning to the begin of my asks; if Mer already has a package managing way (with RPM), I understand that it's also a distribution (customizable to device manufacturers) | 08:13 |
| narcisgarcia | Ok, Nemo is the necessary (closed) part to interact with specific hardware. | 08:13 |
| narcisgarcia | Thanks. | 08:14 |
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| norayr | narcisgarcia: no, Nemo is not a closed part to interact with the hardware | 08:19 |
| norayr | Hardware adaptation is what can possibly contain those closed parts | 08:19 |
| norayr | read: divers | 08:19 |
| norayr | drivers in the kernel | 08:20 |
| norayr | Nemo is a complete ready to use distribution wwhich contains hardware adaptation (kernel which may have non free drivers) , mer itself as a core, and user interface | 08:21 |
| Termana | norayr, he left | 08:21 |
| norayr | aw | 08:21 |
| Termana | :p | 08:21 |
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| * Stskeeps builds a new mer release | 08:24 | |
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| vgrade | morning | 08:49 |
| Termana | vgrade, morning | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 08:49 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, did you hear from mdevey? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 08:50 |
| vgrade | ok , I'll ping him another email | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: you don't have some MIPS based hardware by chance too do you? | 08:51 |
| vgrade | oh yes | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 08:53 |
| vgrade | at least I think it is | 08:53 |
| Termana | heh | 08:53 |
| vgrade | sumvision cyclone mkv | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | i plan to add a mips port in some weeks | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | got the base rpms already | 08:54 |
| vgrade | cool, | 08:58 |
| vgrade | bbl bowling | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | more for the debuginfo tale: -g1, 13mb debuginfo | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | morn smoku | 09:16 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm updating cobs's fakeobs so don't be surprised at data spike | 09:25 |
| lbt | sure | 09:25 |
| lbt | just looking at workers... | 09:25 |
| lbt | eek | 09:25 |
| lbt | I really must debug that at some point | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | i'm trying a challenge with myself of running a obs without webui on | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: there's something truly screwed in the debugging symbols business of linux | 09:27 |
| lbt | I noticed some of the sizes | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | qt with -g: 314mb, with -gdwarf-4 (top modern debugging format) 161mb, with -g1, 13mb debuginfo.. | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | you have to wonder -wtf- -g actually covers | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | and what is actually needed in a usual setting | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: BTW, one challenge: CI when you're following release candidates/beta versions of some things | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | ie, CI from a Mer pov | 09:40 |
| lbt | yeah - I need to close down the infra first | 09:42 |
| lbt | looking good though | 09:42 |
| lbt | I have a VM factory script for kvm now | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:43 |
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| lbt | did I tell you my dragonboard arrived | 09:53 |
| lbt | still in box :( | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | nop, but good to hear the coupon worked out | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | i have other things i should be doing too but hopefully the hard work done now will pay off eventually :P | 09:54 |
| lbt | I'm sure | 09:55 |
| lbt | got to talk to Pasi in a few mins too | 09:55 |
| lbt | are you about enough to make it 3-way ? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i should be | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | skype acts odd atm though | 09:57 |
| lbt | and someone needs to be on a non-N900 | 09:57 |
| lbt | as it can't initiate 3-way calls | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'm on a non-n900, but linux ;) | 09:58 |
| lbt | that's fine I think | 09:58 |
| * Stskeeps watches rebuilds galore on cobs | 10:01 | |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: did systemd get approved? | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | marko had a comment about %changes being in .spec | 10:25 |
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| lbt | now that's odd - there's no way I put that in there | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | osc vc? | 10:30 |
| lbt | I suspect doing osc chroot, then hacking on the spec in there | 10:32 |
| lbt | and copying back - it may do the concatenation | 10:32 |
| lbt | I'd have to repeat the process and find out where it happened | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, osc build does the concatenation | 10:33 |
| lbt | so I knew the only changes I'd made were the kbd-model-map .... and did a git commit -a | 10:34 |
| lbt | ah wel | 10:34 |
| lbt | l | 10:34 |
| lbt | BOSS should have pre-checked it too though :) | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, :P | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | but not entirely there yet | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | it's on my list to put the process on git | 10:35 |
| lbt | resubmitted anyway | 10:37 |
| lbt | 120 | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | next time around, remember change-id | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | and click "abandon change" on the old ones | 10:38 |
| lbt | you said that - I didn't understand | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: example, http://review.merproject.org/118 - see the Change-Id: in the top? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | copy that into the commit message and the new patchset appears under the old change | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | as Change-Id: I3bb3321fe3902ba8c83dbd5479ab975827f86d5e , as an example | 10:40 |
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| lbt | so it's a way to say "use this commit as a correction of that bad one" | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | note to self: 'mipsel' architecture is broken in obs | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | can't add a meta prj with it, but you can run a scheduler | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: is there a release date for obs 2.3 yet btw? | 10:55 |
| lbt | not really - "any time now" | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so in a couple of years, got it | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:56 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:56 |
| lbt | Adrian was happy for us to deploy it as it's only final bug fixes at this point | 10:56 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: does the start bringup need to be pure QML or can I made it executable? | 11:04 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: I was thinking about adding a ripple shader where user touches the screen, with nice haptic feedback, but that's not _yet_ possible using QML | 11:04 |
| * lbt thinks executable is fine | 11:06 | |
| lbt | we do Qt - not just QML | 11:06 |
| lbt | but it should be sensitive to less capable devices | 11:06 |
| matrixx | I can though redo it with QML when we get qt5 | 11:07 |
| matrixx | hmm, true | 11:07 |
| matrixx | not sure if opengl is a good idea after all :/ | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | some fallback mode if opengl isn't possible is good | 11:07 |
| lbt | well that's what "if" is for :) | 11:07 |
| matrixx | yeah, ok, opengl with fallback mode that is then :) | 11:08 |
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| matrixx | maybe even third mode for devices with very small screens, but let's see what I can come up with | 11:25 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, http://blog.shaf.net/2010/10/14/sumvision-mkv2-enclosure-review/ | 12:35 |
| vgrade | I have the mkv1 but its said they are identical apart from sw | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:35 |
| vgrade | It seems to be hackable | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | does it have usb? | 12:36 |
| vgrade | yes | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:36 |
| vgrade | lan/hdmi/usb decvice and usb host connections | 12:36 |
| vgrade | internal HDD | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | 128mb ram is nice too | 12:37 |
| vgrade | MIPS 24K V7.8 | 12:37 |
| rzr | does it have a fan ? | 12:37 |
| vgrade | rzr, don't think so | 12:39 |
| rzr | this is a killer feature | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | because fans kill? | 12:41 |
| lbt | mine does | 12:44 |
| lbt | I have an extractor fan and lots of decapitated wasp bodies in my server cupboard ... | 12:44 |
| frals | haha | 12:46 |
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| lbt | Sage, Stskeeps: when you look at systemd can you make sure I put kbd-model-map in the right place | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | %{systemd_dir} == %{datadir}/system/ , i think | 12:53 |
| lbt | yeah .. it's defined ... but you have to infer what it's for from the usage... | 12:57 |
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| rzr | back, btw laptop owners do you hears fans with your system is on idle ? | 13:07 |
| rzr | -s | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | rzr: you don't have one of those MIPS laptops by chance do you? | 13:09 |
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| rzr | no the only mips i tested where mediaplayer , nas and setop box | 13:12 |
| rzr | but IICR there are some mandriva mips laptops | 13:12 |
| rzr | i joined that community once | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:13 |
| _av500_ | longsoon is mips, no? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | happen to still have any of those devices? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | _av500_: yeah | 13:13 |
| rzr | http://www.rzr.gdium.com/en/user/231 | 13:14 |
| rzr | that's it | 13:14 |
| rzr | obsolete vaporware :) | 13:14 |
| _av500_ | rzr: obsolete? stallman uses it | 13:15 |
| rzr | i am taling about gdium | 13:16 |
| _av500_ | me too | 13:16 |
| rzr | i thought he was running an other device | 13:17 |
| rzr | that one | 13:18 |
| rzr | http://hackable-devices.org/shop/product/lemote-yeeloong-8101b | 13:18 |
| _av500_ | ok, yeelong | 13:18 |
| _av500_ | but lemote did gdium too | 13:19 |
| _av500_ | so its all the same | 13:19 |
| _av500_ | stuff from china always ends up in 10 different brands all the same | 13:19 |
| rzr | k | 13:19 |
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| rzr | mer needs the RMS-UX : http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/ | 13:22 |
| _av500_ | xterm and ssh is all you need :) | 13:23 |
| rzr | xterm is the for luxurious mode | 13:24 |
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| ShadowJK | gdium seems(ed) crappier than yeelong | 13:36 |
| ShadowJK | atleast yeelong has a real harddrive? | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=mer/boss-workflow.git;a=tree | 13:57 |
| lbt | cool | 13:57 |
| lbt | before we go too far we should make them use the more modern style that phaeon evolved | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | probably yeah | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | just wanted to move it out to git first | 13:58 |
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| lbt | very sane | 13:59 |
| pdanek | haha, "Don't be a poisonous person" link is new in topic? :) | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: yeah.. | 14:00 |
| pdanek | are you gonna have own pckg repos for Mer? | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | define package repos | 14:02 |
| pdanek | well I know there is OBS for MeeGo | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | right | 14:03 |
| pdanek | so for know you continue using MeeGo OBS? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | so, there is a OBS that does builds of Mer itself | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | which is the ~312 packages | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | then there's obs'es where you can build against Mer, such as meego.com's community OBS | 14:05 |
| pdanek | understood | 14:06 |
| pdanek | thx | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: nice | 14:51 |
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| Jucato | vgrade: cool! :) | 14:56 |
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| * Stskeeps stretches | 15:40 | |
| Jucato | coffee? | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 15:42 |
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| Jucato | :) | 15:43 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, have some patches from dcarr to get accel | 15:56 |
| vgrade | but memory is an issue | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | can imagine | 15:58 |
| vgrade | also discovered N950 plasma was using Xrender rather then GLES, plasma not recognising it has gles. Can be set manually. I have eye candy effects now | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | Xrender is quite slow, yea | 15:59 |
| vgrade | http://userbase.kde.org/User:Mgraesslin/Desktop_Effects_Performance | 15:59 |
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| vgrade | I think plasma is a no go on Pi until memory usage is worked on | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | and multi process GLES..? | 16:01 |
| vgrade | I talked to the kwin guy about the BCM init stuff and he agve me some pointers | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:03 |
| vgrade | going to be well out of my depth though with this | 16:04 |
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| vgrade | kwin comment "any initialization code would have to go to scene_opengl_egl.cpp and compositingprefs.cpp" | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | i regularly go out of my depth, that's how i learn :P | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | just as long as it's okay to scream i'm drowning once in a while.. | 16:06 |
| vgrade | agreed | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: any idea why the mailing list posts from gmail get flagged as possibly fake? | 16:08 |
| vgrade | its all moot anyway until memory footprint can be improved | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: i would think bad header or something, so it doesn't see it as a mailing list post | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | well yes. can we get it fixed? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: well, would be good to figure out what causes it | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | i'm reading google help forums, they are not much use, might post something | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | i think it might be related to the empty To: header | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | is it mailman? | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | some other sw | 16:11 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd ask you to file a bug but i'd like you to wait until we have ldap auth up and going :P | 16:13 |
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| ali1234 | apparently it is something to do with SPF records | 16:15 |
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| ali1234 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6521958/gmail-reports-possible-phising-on-messages-sent-through-a-mailing-list | 16:18 |
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| lbt | we should have SPF setup | 16:31 |
| lbt | http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch9/spf.html | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | should as in it has already been done? or should as in someone should do it? | 16:33 |
| lbt | someone should do it | 16:33 |
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| ali1234 | yes, that's the conclusion i reached too | 16:34 |
| lbt | I don't know the details of the lists side | 16:34 |
| lbt | I have a placeholder in the DNS and it's on my todo | 16:34 |
| lbt | ldap first | 16:34 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: the ML has all the headers recommended by google for the ML posts. even Precedence: list | 16:52 |
| smoku | maybe the lack of the To: header is a problem. I will add it then. | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | remind me again what software it was? | 16:54 |
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| lbt | smoku: but we should have SPF in the DNS | 16:54 |
| smoku | mlmmj | 16:54 |
| smoku | lbt: the posts do not originate from the server, but are just routed. but it couldn't hurt. ;-) | 16:56 |
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| * dm8tbr wonders how many MIPS the OBS MIPS qemu for MIPS has | 17:37 | |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i'm actually using user mode/binary emulation | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | so it's not -that- bad | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | wb agi - did you ever end up buying that n900? | 17:42 |
| * _av500_ waits for dm8tbr to punt him an n950.... | 17:42 | |
| dm8tbr | _av500_: sorry, only one is that I have and I don't even own it | 17:43 |
| _av500_ | ownership is overrated | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | autoconf surprises me at times | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | checking for doxygen... no | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | checking for dot... NO | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | "NOOOO!" | 17:44 |
| dm8tbr | checking for latex... | 17:44 |
| agi | Stskeeps: sure! long time ago :-) hope it lasts for ever (seeing the choices nowadays) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | agi: just don't put the usb port in any situation where it might be broken ;) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | nokia n9 isn't half bad though | 17:45 |
| agi | heh, ok. will do :-) | 17:45 |
| agi | missing a keyboard... | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | agi: ever tried out meego community edition on it? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | surprisingily the on screen keyboard is quite nice to type with | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | feels like real keys | 17:46 |
| agi | yes, long time ago. I didn't have much spare time the last 6 months | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | we're back in 2008/2009 anyway and Mer is alive ;) | 17:46 |
| agi | cool | 17:47 |
| agi | too many changes in direction from the companies | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. but learned enough to do things right | 17:47 |
| agi | cool, so are you (Mer) working just on N900 or a more wide set of devices? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | wider set, Mer is just a core, people put a UI on top and a hardware adaptation and it's magic ;) | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | so very portable and very useful | 17:49 |
| agi | heh | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | beagleboard, n900, n950/n9, n810, raspberry pi, PC type devices, iMX chipsets etc etc | 17:49 |
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| agi | n950 :-)'''''' would kill for one | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's not as good as advertised, has it's own set of problems | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | i am going to buy a n9 to actually use as phone | 17:52 |
| agi | I saw one and it seem quite nice. And using is just as phone??? really??? :-D | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | well, not only | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | but i have signal issues on my n950 | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | which makes it annoying for me to actually use it mobile | 17:57 |
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| agi | indeed, it's a great device, but if you carry it with you, it should be able to work as a phone | 17:59 |
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| rzr` | Stskeeps: no freerunner ? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | rzr`: we don't have an armv4t port | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | nor armv5 | 18:23 |
| rzr` | i mean in your personnal collection | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's borrowed out | 18:24 |
| rzr` | i have the greenphone too | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | rzr`: my personal collection: a couple of dead 770's, two n800's, one n810, two n900, a smartq5, omapzoom2, joggler, exopc, ideapad s10-3t.. etc | 18:25 |
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| rzr` | only the zaurus miss | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | rzr`: came into mobile linux too late for zaurus | 18:39 |
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| pdanek | no freerunner? :-O | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: it got a restraining order on me after i tried to hold it out over my balcony until it turned useful | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | (i live on 9th) | 18:55 |
| pdanek | :D | 18:56 |
| pdanek | I think SHR is not that bad | 18:56 |
| pdanek | original OpenMoko, yes... :-/ | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | only thing i really liked on it was the gp | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | s | 18:56 |
| pdanek | http://shr-project.org/trac | 18:57 |
| pdanek | I see | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | but if anyone wants to do a armv4t port of mer, it's entirely possible | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | (and easy) | 18:58 |
| pdanek | but look at the MeeGo, I don't think MeeGo ever had actually better end-user usability than SHR distribution for FreeRunner, am I wrong? :) | 18:58 |
| pdanek | today's FreeRunner is quite usable I think | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, probably | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | i gave up quite quickly | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2853412 | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | further down, don't include doc packages | 19:02 |
| pdanek | maybe you can test SHR on N900, even if it's a bit less usable than GTA02, only unstable version available | 19:03 |
| pdanek | but I think it's definitely worth to try for 1 day :) probably lot of effort was put into it | 19:03 |
| pdanek | http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900/InstallGuide | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | the insane crap that packages do at tmes | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: will do | 19:04 |
| pdanek | even if I didn't test it on N900 yet :-/ | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | evening xrura | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | armv4 is used in a lot of NAS systems curently | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | openwrt isn't really a good fit, they run from a partition on the hard drive | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | they seem to use a weird bodged up version of debian | 19:19 |
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| xruxa | hi guys | 19:33 |
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| pdanek | ali1234: so you indicate utilization of Mer in NAS boxes? :) | 19:37 |
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| Stskeeps | for servers, something else would probably be good :P | 19:38 |
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| pdanek | sadly FreeNAS is not for ARM :( | 19:40 |
| _av500_ | maybe OpenNAS or NetNAS? | 19:41 |
| pdanek | there is OpenNAS or NetNAS? :-O | 19:42 |
| pdanek | I don't know about it | 19:42 |
| pdanek | maybe you mean *BSD :-) | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, btw, /chanserv deop #mer ;) | 20:29 |
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