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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:16 |
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| cxl000 | morning | 06:24 |
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| Stskeeps | cxl000: do you have wifi on the n8x0 's yet? | 06:40 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution#Responding_to_reviews <- valuable information for anyone contributing to Mer | 06:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morn marquiz | 06:57 |
| marquiz | morning | 06:57 |
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| vgrade | morning | 07:03 |
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| cxl000 | Stskeeps I have copied the maemo firmware and successfully loaded the wifi. | 07:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, cool | 07:22 |
| cxl000 | I have also scanned my AP | 07:22 |
| cxl000 | just installing connman-test now. | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | k | 07:24 |
| cxl000 | wlan0 comes up with a bogus hw address | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | that's expected | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | wlan-cal and all | 07:25 |
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| cxl000 | The battery management module is now compiling with the 3.1 kernel and detects the plug/unplug of the charger | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok, nice | 07:32 |
| cxl000 | I'll do some extended charging tests when I have time to monitor the various bm metrics | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | wear protective glasses | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:36 |
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| veskuh | Stskeeps: A bit of feedback of the contribution. I think gerrit produces a bit too many emails for my taste. | 07:43 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: the other thing was that instructions did not mention that email address has to match the one in the actual commit. | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | i am pondering to merge the automatic testing mails a bit | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | just wanted something going at first | 07:44 |
| * Stskeeps adds to todo | 07:45 | |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: you can also add additional personalities/emails inside gerrit | 07:46 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: yeps, but still you need to configure your git to contain one of those emails | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | do you use a threaded email reader? | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | i use gmail so it lumps things pretty nicely | 07:47 |
| veskuh | Mainly yes, but on mobile no. | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | true | 07:48 |
| veskuh | but main issue with a lot of mails is that it makes difficult to spot the ones where to react | 07:49 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps change policy to only send mails that indicate something bad happened | 07:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, "this package caused XXX to break" kind of stuff | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps "view test report at URL.." | 07:56 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: yes, and if all checks are ok and request approved maybe then email. | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, noted | 07:56 |
| veskuh | Good that you added instructions on fixing submission. | 07:57 |
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| arc_mat|tp | Stskeeps: how are you using gerrit? It interacts nicely with the google repo tool, but with regular git alone, isn't it a pain? | 08:00 |
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| Stskeeps | arc_mat|tp: not terribly compared to traditional OBS workflow | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat|tp: we have a bunch of git repos, one per packaging | 08:03 |
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| veskuh | Stskeeps: maybe anon wiki access should be disabled? lot of spamming lately.. | 08:19 |
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| Stskeeps | veskuh: yes, alterego was supposed to fix that | 08:20 |
| veskuh | Good | 08:20 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/ ? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes, now at releases.merproject.org, see the mailing list | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | (i know, i should have forewarned about that..) | 08:55 |
| lbt | there's a mailing list? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes? | 08:55 |
| lbt | :D | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | mer-general | 08:55 |
| lbt | kidding :) | 08:55 |
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| lbt | slaine: hey .... I got round to doing my OBS setup docs last night | 08:56 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup | 08:56 |
| lbt | also : http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Systems | 08:57 |
| slaine | lbt, cool | 08:57 |
| lbt | would be great to merge things and verify | 08:57 |
| slaine | Yeah, I should try and get my process into the wiki, been traveling the last couple of days | 08:57 |
| lbt | I've sent some patches to #obs to fix some issues too | 08:58 |
| lbt | I'd like to keep things discrete but connectable | 08:58 |
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| lbt | so use a consistent set of names and assumptions | 08:59 |
| slaine | sure | 08:59 |
| lbt | so when someone sets up fakeobs it will connect to their obs and boss etc | 08:59 |
| lbt | and gerrit | 08:59 |
| lbt | when we figure it out | 08:59 |
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| slaine | Just checking up on my run while I was away | 09:02 |
| slaine | it looks like i586 and armv7hl mostly built | 09:02 |
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| slaine | the repo url doesn't appear to be working though. | 09:03 |
| lbt | I'm hoping to send in a 'named vhost' config to #obs | 09:03 |
| lbt | do you mean the http:82 url ? | 09:03 |
| slaine | lbt, yup | 09:03 |
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| slaine | When I try to go to, http://obsvm.labs.lincor.com:82/home:/glen:/armv7hl/Mer_Core_armv7hl, I get a 404 | 09:04 |
| slaine | (not a public machine) | 09:04 |
| slaine | All the packages built, bar boardname | 09:04 |
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| lbt | alterego: ping | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: is your project marked in 'repositories' as 'publish'? | 09:06 |
| slaine | Stskeeps, I'll check | 09:06 |
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| slaine | <disable/> | 09:07 |
| slaine | d'oh | 09:07 |
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| * lbt wonders what the point of a disabled publish repo is? | 09:08 | |
| lbt | seems a daft default | 09:08 |
| * araujo has sometimes wondered that too | 09:09 | |
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| alterego | lbt: pong | 09:11 |
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| slaine | Yeah, with enabled set I can get to the repo now | 09:15 |
| slaine | Cool | 09:16 |
| slaine | So, PC KVM Host -> FakeOBSVM -> OBSVM -> Full build of i586 & ARMv7hl | 09:16 |
| slaine | Yay | 09:16 |
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| lbt | alterego: can you give me sysop or whatever on the wiki - and I think we need anti-spam | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | we enabled that this morning | 09:26 |
| lbt | OK np | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no anonymous edits and a captcha | 09:26 |
| lbt | OK - and only sysop can delete pages | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | right, would be good to add that for you | 09:27 |
| lbt | yay ... image built on local IMG | 09:29 |
| lbt | using "add my project repo" feature - which is rather neat (if it works) | 09:29 |
| lbt | "Retrieving systemd-37-7.1.i586.rpm ...OK" seems to have | 09:30 |
| alterego | lbt: you now have Sysops and Bureaucrats | 09:31 |
| lbt | ta | 09:32 |
| alterego | Same goes for you Stskeeps ;) | 09:32 |
| lbt | I'm hoping to setup an LDAP over the next few days so we can add that | 09:32 |
| alterego | That'll be fun :) | 09:32 |
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| lbt | we have the meego wiki config | 09:33 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: how do I test systemd then? | 09:38 |
| lbt | for Mer | 09:38 |
| lbt | do I use a Nemo image? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | you could, and rpm -Uvh | 09:38 |
| lbt | I guess "what are our acceptance criteria" ? | 09:39 |
| lbt | This is the 48h "suck it and see" window? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | right now, does it boot up and does it break any other packages | 09:39 |
| lbt | *nod* | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | not so far on the automatic booting just yet | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/103 | 09:41 |
| * Stskeeps likes | 09:41 | |
| lbt | yeah - I'm pleased it wasn't too painful for you | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | with a qt upgrade most of the fallout is likely to be in the vendors though | 09:44 |
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| cxl000 | Stskeeps n810 now connected via wifi. Now I need to install more network apps. | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 11:02 |
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| norayr | cxl00Op: are you running mer or nemo on n810? | 11:22 |
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| cxl00Op | norayr yes. I now have it connecting to wifi | 11:51 |
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| Meizirkki | hello | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo Meizirkki | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | welcome back to 2008 ;) | 11:53 |
| Meizirkki | haha | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | how are you doing? | 11:53 |
| Meizirkki | good thanks. and you ? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | quite well, interesting times | 11:54 |
| Meizirkki | A lot has happened to Maemo/Meego lately.. | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. it felt like a good time to show everyone how a proper mobile project should be done ;) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of interesting things already running on it | 11:56 |
| Meizirkki | running on.. Mer? | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | mer's now defined as a core and user interfaces and hardware adaptations are outside | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:57 |
| Meizirkki | oh | 11:57 |
| Meizirkki | Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with Mer or about anything for the whole year | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | Nemo - handset user interface: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCCxjO0CXjw | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i'm just filling you in :) | 11:57 |
| Meizirkki | Student life.. ;) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFbWDXTqLk - Plasma Active on N950 | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4XxQpJpitY - Cordia (hildon desktop) on ideapad | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | so you're in lukio now or did you move on to university? | 11:59 |
| av500 | [Exit]? really? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | in the nemo video? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | we didn't enable gestures yet | 11:59 |
| av500 | yep | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl7Djukoysc has gestures | 12:00 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, I'm in vocational institute studying electronics and some lukio subjects. | 12:01 |
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| Meizirkki | It's kinda two in one :P | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: alright, sounds like a good topic :) | 12:02 |
| Meizirkki | Yes, I've always been more of a hardware guy | 12:03 |
| Meizirkki | Kinda random, but I've been interested in different phenomenom of static electricity lately. Tesla's stuff. | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | quite useful to know about for making electronics | 12:04 |
| Meizirkki | I've already managed small-scale, but great distance wireless transmission of electricity with _seemingly_ >100% efficiency. Tesla was a genius. | 12:05 |
| Meizirkki | I can't really tell why the voltage received is bigger than the one transmitted. The coils are identical after all | 12:06 |
| Meizirkki | why* | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like you should pursue physics as well | 12:06 |
| Meizirkki | mm | 12:07 |
| Meizirkki | That's what my father told me ;) | 12:09 |
| Meizirkki | But due to these tests with Tesla's technology I'm very much questioning some laws of physics right now. | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | Tesla disagreed with Einstein on many things. | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | Wasn't E=mc² proven wrong by quantum mechanics already? | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | anyway* | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | did you still have your n810 or was it broken? | 12:11 |
| Meizirkki | Broken :( But I still have it | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | it was the screen or something right | 12:12 |
| Meizirkki | It's fully functional but there are cracks in the screen covering almost half of the stuff on screen | 12:13 |
| Meizirkki | I can't see what's below | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:14 |
| Meizirkki | Touchscreen is still working almost perfectly | 12:14 |
| Meizirkki | My touchbook is not as lucky. :P | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:16 |
| Meizirkki | It's dead in ten different ways | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | not the most solid piece of hardware | 12:18 |
| Meizirkki | indeed | 12:18 |
| Meizirkki | It was messed up. I know I kinda praised it when I had it but in fact it's the single most unusable device for what it was intended for | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | and worst of all, that everyone ended up copying it some years after (see asus transformer..) | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:20 |
| Meizirkki | yea | 12:20 |
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| * Meizirkki finished watching the videos. | 12:24 | |
| Meizirkki | Interesting | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, a lot of cool stuff | 12:24 |
| Meizirkki | N9 seems like a good device. I heard it has sold ok too | 12:25 |
| Meizirkki | Is Nokia now 100% with MS or is there still some meego development going on by them ? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | there's a lot of rumours but of course the N9 still gets updates | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | we're some people who work on the Nemo stuff | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | (public, open source project) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | but nothing comercial | 12:27 |
| Meizirkki | okay | 12:28 |
| Meizirkki | afk | 12:29 |
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| lbt | http://review.merproject.org/#change,106 | 12:35 |
| lbt | so Stskeeps is BOSS doing stuff now? | 12:35 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | it should pick it up in shortly though | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: and now you see why i should have some kind of central log place to dump failures | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | ----- building systemd.spec (user abuild) | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | + exec rpmbuild -ba --define '_srcdefattr (-,root,root)' --define 'disturl obs://build.tspre.org/home:Admin:SBC:tmpq1tfMaobsupload-change-106/Core_i586/455322545f8bce35c63c114db1fdab74-systemd' /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/systemd.spec | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | error: File /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/systemd-37.tar.bz2: No such file or directory | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution#Responding_to_reviews | 12:42 |
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| lbt | how on earth is that missing | 12:42 |
| lbt | ah | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | forgot to git add it probably | 12:43 |
| lbt | I missed the sign-off and then missed that in the 2nd go around | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | git commit -s --amend is very usefl | 12:43 |
| lbt | yeah ... it's in the non-signed-off commit here | 12:43 |
| lbt | so should I get a fail email ? | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you got one already i think | 12:45 |
| lbt | good, I'm glad I slipped that process test in there then :P | 12:46 |
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| lbt | the git process doesn't look sustainable though - having each tgz as a blob | 12:52 |
| lbt | I'm thinking we should be using pristine-tar | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | two things: we need to be able to verify that we use exact tarball as upstream and 2) we need to make it easy to replicate mer | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | even with OBS we had to upload big files | 12:54 |
| lbt | pristine tar is designed to do binary replication of an upstream tarball | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 12:54 |
| lbt | let me show you in a bit | 12:55 |
| lbt | I have a pristine tar tree of systemd-35 36 37 | 12:55 |
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| mdfe_ | hi all, what happens to the meego-ux-settings-libsettings package in mer core? I cannot find a alternative package | 12:56 |
| mdfe_ | sorry my fault :( | 13:00 |
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| mdfe_ | please ignore, I have done a mistake by renaming repository names | 13:01 |
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| lbt | mdfe_: hey | 13:03 |
| mdfe_ | hi | 13:03 |
| lbt | mdfe_: we removed the meego.com link too | 13:03 |
| lbt | it seemed to be the cause of more issues | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | did you set up a repository people can build against..? | 13:03 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: no. it was late | 13:04 |
| lbt | and I'm kinda waiting for some interest | 13:04 |
| lbt | so if mdfe_ needs MeeGo:Trunk then we can set it up | 13:04 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: This would be aweseome | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: are you using trunk or 1.2? | 13:04 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps, lbt: more important is 1.2 but we take what we get | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | 1.2 is prolly easier to import | 13:05 |
| lbt | *nod* | 13:05 |
| lbt | *sigh* .... I'll add it to my list | 13:05 |
| lbt | food ... bbiab | 13:05 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: :) | 13:06 |
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| slaine | What are the chances for fakeobs being run/hosted on the merproject server ? | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | nil | 13:29 |
| slaine | too much overhead ? | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is to avoid central points of failure, api.meego.com was a nightmare for us all | 13:29 |
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| Stskeeps | people's OBSes simply grind to a halt, so | 13:29 |
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| slaine | nod, but if rsync is down, it's just as bad, seeing as fakeobs is just a seed to your own obs | 13:30 |
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| lbt | slaine: nah.... once rsync is done you're safe | 13:30 |
| slaine | yeah, but once you've done a copy pac, your safe too | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | of course, but rsync just means you can't update to next snapshot, not that your entire production halts | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: next time around remmber change-id: | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | less clutter | 13:33 |
| lbt | ? | 13:33 |
| slaine | I'm not following how fakeobs being external grinds my obs to a halt if it's down. Perhaps I'm not using it as it's intended ? | 13:33 |
| slaine | Once I've pulled in all the packages from fakeobs, into my mer snapshot hosted on my OBS, I don't need fakeobs | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: to properly track you need linkpacs from fakeobs | 13:34 |
| slaine | not copypacs | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | copypacs aren't bound to give a proper result | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, even an idle link can cause problems at times | 13:35 |
| slaine | I understood it that the copypacs, copied the package from one obs server to another, which allowed me to import all the projects from the fakeobs and rebuild them on my obs instance | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | right, but it's not a proper way to actually track the core | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | as you don't get updates | 13:36 |
| slaine | But what I should have done, was do a linkpacs, which redirects from my obs out to the fakeobs instance | 13:36 |
| slaine | and I'll only get updates, once I run the rsync | 13:36 |
| slaine | so I can control when I get them | 13:37 |
| slaine | k | 13:37 |
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| norayr | cxl000: I guess you have prepared the image? Do you know whether usb host mode works? | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, so what's on your list after 1.2 build import? | 15:14 |
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| lbt | phaeron had a boss problem ... then polish the notes from the systemd release | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:16 |
| lbt | then VMs on merproject.org | 15:17 |
| lbt | did you have anything? | 15:17 |
| phaeron | lbt: no problems :) | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nop, just had to check where the vm setup was on the list | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | in order to prioritize myself | 15:17 |
| lbt | phaeron: cool - what was it | 15:17 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: oh, and try to see where Pasi is | 15:17 |
| phaeron | lbt: one was bossbot not being a maintainer in target project | 15:17 |
| lbt | OK | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: my list is setting up the mer bugzilla, find out some way to add components automatically for tonight | 15:18 |
| phaeron | lbt: and the other was a bug in buildservice that I fixed on vm and will add to git | 15:18 |
| slaine | Whats the plan for the 1.2 import, are we looking are doing a MeeGo 1.3 based on Mer ? | 15:19 |
| lbt | I'm going to become religious so I can pray that kvm VM setups are at least vaguely similar to xen | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: disk images, rest can be fixed | 15:19 |
| lbt | slaine: I'm doing the 1.2 import now | 15:19 |
| slaine | Yeah, but why ? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: customer service for meego using people on COBS | 15:19 |
| slaine | Ah, makes sense | 15:19 |
| lbt | plasma active specifically | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: we dropped the live link to meego OBS as it was too unstable | 15:19 |
| slaine | nod | 15:20 |
| lbt | so it's rude to not permit meego builds | 15:20 |
| lbt | slaine: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance_boot_strapping | 15:20 |
| slaine | lbt, my OBS_Setup.txt might be of some help | 15:20 |
| slaine | First section is about setting up kvm host and clients | 15:20 |
| lbt | slaine: link ? | 15:20 |
| lbt | OK | 15:20 |
| slaine | http://slaine.org/files/OBS_Setup.txt | 15:21 |
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| slaine | If you can use a native lvm partition, as I did in the guide, it helps a lot with i/o performance | 15:21 |
| lbt | hehe | 15:21 |
| lbt | reminds me of the one for c.obs | 15:22 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/Installation | 15:22 |
| slaine | cool | 15:22 |
| slaine | hehe, mine was nearly that complicated | 15:23 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: phaeron noticed : http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2011/11/10/bugzilla-without-our-own-server/ | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: suppose they could wrap under Nemo | 15:27 |
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| lbt | or part of the incubation around Merproject? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | already commented | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | morn gabrbedd | 15:45 |
| gabrbedd | Good morning Mr. Keeps. | 15:46 |
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| arc_mat | lbt: ping | 15:51 |
| lbt | pon | 15:51 |
| * lbt really really needs a new kbd | 15:51 | |
| arc_mat | :) | 15:52 |
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| arc_mat | lbt: we're running in a little bottle neck here because I have to channel all build requests through mdfe, can you help me with an obs account? | 15:52 |
| lbt | sure ... you need a meego.com account | 15:53 |
| arc_mat | mwelwarsky | 15:53 |
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| lbt | done | 15:53 |
| arc_mat | lbt: thanks | 15:53 |
| av500 | not a tizen account these days? | 15:53 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | you can't register on tizen.org | 15:53 |
| av500 | Stskeeps: I know, they are still busy porting the community | 15:54 |
| lbt | ROFL | 15:54 |
| arc_mat | lbt: now let's see if I remember my password :( | 15:54 |
| lbt | meego.com has a reset by email | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: also for the list: first VM: ldap | 15:55 |
| arc_mat | lbt: I remembered it ;) | 15:55 |
| lbt | was already there | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah god | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | good | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | matrixx: ping | 16:00 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: I cannot build against Mer:fake:Core:armv7l at the moment | 16:45 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: I'm not able to trigger a build for this target | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: i'll take a look | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: caused an updates storm for schedulers | 16:47 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Thanks :) | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: let me know if that changes anything | 16:52 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: I will do | 16:53 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: It looks like the publishing is stuck and mayby this cause trouble by dependency calculation | 16:58 |
| vgrade | yea, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&repository=Mer_Extras_armv7l | 16:58 |
| vgrade | has not transitioned from Finished state | 16:59 |
| vgrade | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel | 17:00 |
| mdfe_ | on sade's project too | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: how did your own OBS setup go btw? | 17:12 |
| mdfe_ | I do the setup of a server at the moment | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 17:15 |
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| arc_mat | Stskeeps: I've tried building a package locally, but I keep getting errors about "wrong exec format", as if the host cpu was trying to execute arm binaries | 17:16 |
| arc_mat | Stskeeps: and the build fails, of course | 17:16 |
| av500 | arc_mat: you need to build on the target of course! | 17:17 |
| arc_mat | /ignore av500 | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat: ah, that's normal - what host system are you on | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 17:18 |
| arc_mat | opensuse 11.4 | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | arc_mat: ls -l /usr/bin/qemu-arm | 17:22 |
| arc_mat | comes up blank, but I have /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, do you have qemu-binfmt-conf.sh too by chance? | 17:23 |
| arc_mat | at least I have no package containing that | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | arc_mat: cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /usr/bin/qemu-arm | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | and run http://pastie.org/2842748 | 17:24 |
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| arc_mat | Stskeeps: thanks | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i've noticed obs 2.3 asks for _pubkey now | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | checking out what happens if i answer 404 instead | 17:30 |
| arc_mat | and voila I have my package, and it only took a day ;) | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:31 |
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| mdfe_ | :) | 18:06 |
| * Stskeeps is setting up bugzilla | 18:11 | |
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| lbt | mumble | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | not due for launch before we've set up ldap too :P | 18:18 |
| lbt | :) | 18:18 |
| lbt | I was going to do minimal VM installations | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://bugs.merproject.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Mer%20Core | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | going for approach of triaging is better than default assignees initially | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: "Mer Vendor Interface: If you have a problem with the "interface" of the Mer project to you as a vendor, file a bug here" | 18:41 |
| lbt | good idea - a concrete place | 18:41 |
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| mdfe_ | hi all, any idea where I can get osb-server-install-i686-2.1.9-Build3.10.iso ? | 18:52 |
| lbt | no... but if you want an OBS... | 18:55 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup | 18:55 |
| vgrade | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/images/ | 18:55 |
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| mdfe_ | greate thanks :) | 18:56 |
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| cxl000 | morning | 20:16 |
| cxl000 | norayr I've not tested USB. I'll add it to the todo list. You are welcome to build an image a test. | 20:17 |
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| vgrade | cxl000, morning | 20:22 |
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| cxl000 | Hi vgrade did you say you knew a UI person interested in the n810? | 20:46 |
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| vgrade | cxl000, yes | 20:57 |
| vgrade | sec | 20:58 |
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| vgrade | ti.eugene@gmail.com | 21:04 |
| vgrade | QtDesktop guy | 21:04 |
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| pdanek | seems #tizen is one of most useless romms ever, considering amount of people staying there every day :D | 21:14 |
| pdanek | rooms * | 21:14 |
| pdanek | for now | 21:14 |
| norayr | cxl000: morning :) | 21:14 |
| cxl000 | morning norayr | 21:15 |
| pdanek | have anyone here purchased N9 yet? | 21:15 |
| norayr | cxl000: how is your port? | 21:15 |
| norayr | I mean build | 21:15 |
| norayr | And is it described somewhere? | 21:16 |
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| cxl000 | I'll update the community wiki shortly. | 21:16 |
| norayr | how to build the image | 21:16 |
| norayr | thanks! | 21:17 |
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| norayr | Do you use some UX on it? | 21:17 |
| norayr | meego ux sould be too slow | 21:18 |
| cxl000 | The kickstart there needs a couple of minor changes and I'll add some instruction for getting wifi up. | 21:19 |
| cxl000 | This build uses Razor (QtDesktop) which feels OK. | 21:20 |
| pdanek | can I ask, build for which device? | 21:21 |
| norayr | do you think you can also provide an image for releases.merproject.org? | 21:21 |
| norayr | N810 | 21:22 |
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| * norayr watches razor-qt screenshots | 21:24 | |
| king_aoeu | sup people, i hope this channel is more alive than #tizen | 21:24 |
| matrixx | hiya | 21:24 |
| cxl000 | I should be able to provide an image. | 21:28 |
| cxl000 | bbiab | 21:28 |
| norayr | king_aoeu: at least we have something to talk about the topic | 21:29 |
| king_aoeu | :P, true | 21:29 |
| Velmont | pdanek: Are you asking anyone? I have an N9. I guess loads of others. | 21:31 |
| pdanek | just guessing if anyone is already porting Mer to N9 :) | 21:32 |
| pdanek | I know that most of hardwork is done on N900, a bit of N950 | 21:32 |
| pdanek | a bit of on N950 * | 21:32 |
| Velmont | Ah. I'm definately not doing any porting :-) But will test stuff when more starts popping up. | 21:34 |
| w00t | n950 and n900 are in pretty good shape, n9 is a bit more difficult due to there not being any way to restore it if you screw up, but some people have gotten mer running already | 21:35 |
| pdanek | you can't really reflash it after brick? no Nokia provided software for it? | 21:36 |
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| king_aoeu | does mer work with any hardware manufacturers? | 22:07 |
| king_aoeu | you won't go far with the n9 | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | king_aoeu: hardware adaptations are outside the mer project, so is UI, we just provide a piece of the puzzle for others to use | 22:08 |
| king_aoeu | do you work with tizen? | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | king_aoeu: no code is released, so not really | 22:09 |
| king_aoeu | but why aren't they using your code? | 22:09 |
| king_aoeu | why do everybody in this world reinvent wheels? | 22:09 |
| king_aoeu | there's 2 possibilities, either the tizen people are retarded (which i think is true), or mer is a complete failure | 22:10 |
| king_aoeu | no offense, it's just my opinion | 22:10 |
| king_aoeu | Lots of people are working on mobile os right now, and i have no idea why thy do so | 22:11 |
| king_aoeu | we already have a lot of them, and another mobile os die everyday | 22:11 |
| king_aoeu | even webOS | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | king_aoeu: well, i don't fully see your point.. we have something that works here and projects using us | 22:11 |
| king_aoeu | why don't you work with Mozilla, they're doing theirs i think | 22:11 |
| andre__ | where does mozilla have a mobile OS? | 22:12 |
| king_aoeu | mozilla is working on a mobile os | 22:12 |
| king_aoeu | idk if they're transparent or not about it | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | king_aoeu: mer is a core, not a full ui nor the next revolution to topple iphone | 22:12 |
| king_aoeu | and does anyone plan to use this core? | 22:13 |
| andre__ | mer is a core, and nemo/N900CE is *one* potential user interface for it | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | king_aoeu: sure, various companies and projects already trying it out | 22:13 |
| king_aoeu | i don't see why everyone want their own os | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | king_aoeu: our main target is small to medium businesses | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | king_aoeu: either way, what do you hope to contribute with? | 22:14 |
| king_aoeu | a new os doesn't bring any value to the world (most of the time) | 22:14 |
| king_aoeu | i think mobile computing is part of the future | 22:15 |
| king_aoeu | but mobile computing can't be separate from other form f actor os | 22:15 |
| king_aoeu | one core/os must be used on every devices | 22:15 |
| king_aoeu | i don't like competition, as it's not a win-win situation | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for windows 8 in that case | 22:16 |
| king_aoeu | most of the time, competing products offer 99% of the same thing, while use want 1 product that offers 100% of the features | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | king_aoeu: could i ask you to browse through the urls in the topic and read up a bit about what Mer is about? | 22:16 |
| king_aoeu | i think Microsoft are the only one going in the right direction right now | 22:16 |
| king_aoeu | with W8 and Windows Phone | 22:17 |
| king_aoeu | they want to unify the experience, which is awesome | 22:17 |
| king_aoeu | the problem is, they still don't innovate enough in the UX field | 22:17 |
| king_aoeu | i personally want to contribute to bring a new UX to mobile computing | 22:18 |
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| king_aoeu | since i don't work for microsoft, i have to find an open project that could be like a proof of concept, for others to use | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | alright, then you might want to base upon mer to not do all the boring system stuff | 22:18 |
| king_aoeu | but most open os put the emphasis on technical aspect, not the ux, when the ux really is what matters to the user | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | see Plasma Active and Nemo UIs for examples of mer use | 22:19 |
| king_aoeu | but are they really innovating? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | sure, at least plasma | 22:20 |
| king_aoeu | or just cloning other mobile os, to let mer be usable, when that's not really the objective here | 22:20 |
| king_aoeu | ill take a look at them | 22:20 |
| king_aoeu | do Plasma Active/Nemo UI people hang out here? | 22:20 |
| king_aoeu | or in their own channel? | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | mer does not contain a ui or hw adaptations, we just provide foundation, google for plasma active | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | either way, sleep time | 22:21 |
| king_aoeu | i understand that, just asking if ui builder hand out here | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | they do, but they talk primarily in #active | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 22:22 |
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| king_aoeu | but yeah, i think we need an open mobile os but i think most people here just do it for the sake of making an open os (to not use microsoft/apple stuff) | 22:22 |
| king_aoeu | from what i saw, MeeGo didn't look that great | 22:22 |
| wmarone_ | meego had the problem of coming with a UI, but always accompanied by the message of "the UI is just a reference" | 22:23 |
| vgrade | king_aoeu, http://twitpic.com/7bxu2w, how more unified do you want, plasma active built on Mer core, on TV on Tablet on Mobile? | 22:23 |
| king_aoeu | you forget desktop | 22:24 |
| wmarone_ | use an appropriate UI for the desktop | 22:24 |
| wmarone_ | nothing in Mer prevents that | 22:24 |
| king_aoeu | those aren't appropriate? | 22:24 |
| king_aoeu | this picture shows the idea, but there's not much details | 22:24 |
| vgrade | ? | 22:25 |
| vgrade | all the work going on in device adaptation and ux can be found here, http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Community_Workspace | 22:26 |
| king_aoeu | the picture i mean | 22:26 |
| vgrade | any more details you need? | 22:27 |
| king_aoeu | not really | 22:29 |
| king_aoeu | plasma's ui looks cheesy | 22:29 |
| king_aoeu | also, the window paradigm is over | 22:30 |
| king_aoeu | has nemo ui a website? | 22:31 |
| vgrade | wiki page, off the community page I linked | 22:32 |
| jce | king_aoeu: the window paradigm is "over"? I think that might be a bit premature. | 22:33 |
| berndhs | window paradigm is only over for people with tiny screens | 22:33 |
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| berndhs | and once all the little devices have projectors, it will come back in some way | 22:34 |
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| king_aoeu | berndhs, no, the window paradigm really is outdated and obsolete | 22:37 |
| king_aoeu | btw, #plasma banned me, didn't take long | 22:38 |
| king_aoeu | they have a weird definition of free speech | 22:38 |
| wmarone_ | king_aoeu: hmm, I would love to see the logs that led up to it | 22:38 |
| king_aoeu | i said i didnt't want to be rude | 22:38 |
| king_aoeu | than i got rude | 22:38 |
| wmarone_ | so you barged in and started flaming or something? | 22:39 |
| king_aoeu | but i just gave them my opinion about plasma-active | 22:39 |
| king_aoeu | i think i remained calm | 22:39 |
| king_aoeu | here's the transcript : i don't really think i'm interested in plasma anymore | 22:39 |
| king_aoeu | - the ui is not really innovative | 22:39 |
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| king_aoeu | i don't want to be rude, but the ui looks likee a clone of other os (but poorly executed) | 22:40 |
| king_aoeu | the "window" paradigm is dead and you should not use it | 22:40 |
| wmarone_ | so you rolled in and essentially started trolling | 22:40 |
| king_aoeu | the ui looks cheesy as hell | 22:40 |
| king_aoeu | i've seen 0 innovation in any of the screenshots | 22:40 |
| king_aoeu | kick, i try to join, banned | 22:40 |
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| king_aoeu | i don't think i trolled them | 22:40 |
| wmarone_ | sure you did, you came in and immediately started criticizing | 22:41 |
| king_aoeu | i expected a reaction, it's true, but i only said my honest opinion, never invented anything to make them react | 22:41 |
| king_aoeu | personally, if i had a project like this, i would love people to come and criticize it | 22:41 |
| king_aoeu | i would explain them the design decisions, and change the design if the person brings good arguments | 22:42 |
| wmarone_ | sure, but have you brought any good arguments? | 22:42 |
| wmarone_ | no, you simply opened fire with opinion | 22:42 |
| king_aoeu | they did not give me the time to | 22:42 |
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| wmarone_ | generally you should come prepared, even better would be to not fill the channel with it | 22:43 |
| king_aoeu | they asked me if i saw plasma active one, i said yes, here is what i think about it | 22:43 |
| wmarone_ | king_aoeu: what other screenshots have you seen? | 22:43 |
| king_aoeu | i've seen this http://plasma-active.org/ | 22:43 |
| wmarone_ | ok,have you used it? | 22:43 |
| king_aoeu | i think it's enough to judge | 22:44 |
| wmarone_ | not really | 22:44 |
| king_aoeu | i haven't use it, but i don't think i need to | 22:44 |
| king_aoeu | why don't you think so? | 22:44 |
| berndhs | best way to evaluate is to run it on a virtual machine for a bit | 22:44 |
| king_aoeu | i like how the widgets/window align/snap to the grid | 22:45 |
| king_aoeu | but that's about it | 22:45 |
| arc_mat|tp | king_aoeu: so, do you have a project that would invite people to criticize it? | 22:45 |
| king_aoeu | unfortunately i don't have one yet | 22:45 |
| king_aoeu | but i'm actively looking for one | 22:45 |
| vgrade | good luck | 22:46 |
| king_aoeu | thx | 22:46 |
| berndhs | king_aoeu: what could you contribute ? | 22:46 |
| king_aoeu | ideas, which is not really what people are looking for as a contribution | 22:46 |
| berndhs | king_aoeu: design work, implementation work, marketing, money, hardware ? | 22:46 |
| king_aoeu | i can program, but i don't think i'm the best programmer | 22:47 |
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| king_aoeu | i'm very good in conceptual design | 22:47 |
| king_aoeu | i can't design good interfaces (using photoshop and stuff), since i don't have the artistical skills required | 22:47 |
| vgrade | do you have any story boards? | 22:48 |
| king_aoeu | but i'm good at judging about design, and making outline | 22:48 |
| king_aoeu | story boards? | 22:48 |
| king_aoeu | no | 22:48 |
| berndhs | story board is a draft, or sequence of drafts, showing how some action progresses | 22:48 |
| berndhs | like drawing of scenes in a movie | 22:49 |
| king_aoeu | i don't have any real draft | 22:49 |
| king_aoeu | i can't design a complete os just like that | 22:49 |
| wmarone_ | you don't have to design a complete OS | 22:49 |
| king_aoeu | i'm looking for people interested in the same thing as i am, then i will work with them on something | 22:50 |
| vgrade | https://desktopsummit.org/sites/www.desktopsummit.org/files/contour_marcoMartin_FaniaJoeck.pdf | 22:50 |
| king_aoeu | i need feedback | 22:50 |
| king_aoeu | atm, i'm good at spotting what is wrong with operating systems | 22:50 |
| vgrade | create something like that and ask for comments | 22:50 |
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| king_aoeu | mostly mobiles one, since they're closer to the ultimate experience than destop os | 22:50 |
| berndhs | i'm looking for cooperators for a UX, but it has a specific direction I want to go in | 22:50 |
| king_aoeu | it's not that specific | 22:51 |
| king_aoeu | but yeah, i already have a good idea | 22:51 |
| berndhs | well, my purpose is specific :) | 22:51 |
| king_aoeu | oh, i thought you were rephrasing what i said | 22:52 |
| king_aoeu | what is it? | 22:52 |
| berndhs | no I'm actually looking for collaborators | 22:52 |
| berndhs | I want to make a UX that enhances outdoor activities | 22:52 |
| berndhs | sailing, snowboarding, farmers on their tractors | 22:52 |
| king_aoeu | oh, you talked about it earlier in another channel | 22:53 |
| berndhs | snowmobiling sorry | 22:53 |
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| berndhs | yes that one | 22:53 |
| king_aoeu | can you give me an exemple? | 22:53 |
| king_aoeu | of an enhanced experience? | 22:53 |
| berndhs | sailors communicating between boats during a race, doing navigation, fleet organization, party planning | 22:53 |
| berndhs | manage consumables of the boat / the fleet | 22:54 |
| king_aoeu | so you want to build an activity management tool, for outdoor activities, right? | 22:54 |
| berndhs | that is one aspect of it yes | 22:54 |
| king_aoeu | i personally am interested in doing something similar, but not limited to it | 22:55 |
| king_aoeu | it won't be as specialised as yours tho | 22:55 |
| berndhs | but the UX for that will be different from the usual UXs designed today | 22:55 |
| king_aoeu | can you give me an exemple? | 22:55 |
| berndhs | less emphasis on shininess of the UX itself | 22:55 |
| king_aoeu | the best UI is no UI | 22:56 |
| berndhs | no dancing icons | 22:56 |
| king_aoeu | i agree with you there, i don't like chromy stuff | 22:56 |
| king_aoeu | no chrome, no shine, no glassy buttons | 22:56 |
| king_aoeu | flat 2d and simple interface | 22:56 |
| berndhs | the shinyness has a purpose when the UX is for entertainment of passengers | 22:56 |
| king_aoeu | let the data shine by itself | 22:56 |
| berndhs | this would be a somewhat separate market | 22:57 |
| king_aoeu | yes | 22:57 |
| berndhs | think sports shoes versus dress shoes | 22:57 |
| king_aoeu | i understand | 22:57 |
| king_aoeu | different purpose | 22:57 |
| berndhs | some of the same customers, companies could sell several devices to the same person | 22:58 |
| berndhs | lots of money for everyone :) | 22:58 |
| king_aoeu | :) | 22:58 |
| berndhs | i dont want to replace anyone | 22:58 |
| king_aoeu | i'm not sure i agree there tho | 22:58 |
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| berndhs | oh other people can make other interfaces, fine with me | 22:59 |
| king_aoeu | i'm prefer the swissknife philosophy | 22:59 |
| king_aoeu | one that rules them all | 22:59 |
| berndhs | in fac they should, I don't want to make the same product for everyone | 22:59 |
| arc_mat|tp | jack of all trades, master of none... | 22:59 |
| berndhs | if I try to cover all tastes, I have to listen to too many people complain | 22:59 |
| king_aoeu | but i know that when you're a professional butcher that must use a knife all day, a butcher knife is better than a swissknife | 22:59 |
| arc_mat|tp | that's the swiss army knife | 22:59 |
| king_aoeu | yes | 23:00 |
| king_aoeu | that's the touchscreen | 23:00 |
| berndhs | touch screens suck as input devices | 23:00 |
| king_aoeu | the touchscreen can be adapted to many ui (piano, dj board, keyboard) | 23:00 |
| king_aoeu | but it's not as good as the real tools | 23:00 |
| berndhs | bandwidth is too small, only 2 fingers, 3 at most | 23:00 |
| king_aoeu | if you use many different interface, a touchscreen is fine and portable | 23:00 |
| king_aoeu | but if you do dj professionally, don't use an ipad as a dj board | 23:01 |
| king_aoeu | you need a balance, i agree there | 23:01 |
| arc_mat|tp | and yet it is what djs are doing... | 23:01 |
| berndhs | touchscreen is ok if the input bandwidth can be small | 23:01 |
| berndhs | but that's not the main issue | 23:01 |
| king_aoeu | the more experienced you get, the more custom the tools | 23:01 |
| berndhs | i'm not trying to sell particular devices | 23:02 |
| berndhs | that's the manufacturers' resposibility, not mine | 23:02 |
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| king_aoeu | where does the idea come from? | 23:03 |
| king_aoeu | do you do such sport and lack a good device to do these things while sporting? | 23:03 |
| berndhs | i like sailing, don't do enough of it | 23:04 |
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| berndhs | I find watching movies on a 3 inch screen unfulfilling | 23:04 |
| arc_mat|tp | but would you take a 10 inch screen with you, maybe on the metro? | 23:05 |
| berndhs | probably too big | 23:05 |
| arc_mat|tp | a compromise | 23:05 |
| berndhs | yeah | 23:05 |
| king_aoeu | the metro should be equiped with them | 23:05 |
| king_aoeu | no compromise | 23:05 |
| arc_mat|tp | like the touchscreen | 23:05 |
| king_aoeu | i'm going to eat, later | 23:06 |
| arc_mat|tp | king_aoeu: the metro will not show the movies I like | 23:06 |
| berndhs | you should have projectors, so you can use the guy in front of you as a display | 23:06 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | Anyone tried todays nemo-image? | 23:06 |
| king_aoeu | the metro should be divided in multiple section for people with different taste/interest | 23:06 |
| berndhs | of course if you use the girl in front of you as a touch screen, your activities may later be severely limited | 23:07 |
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| berndhs | KaziKluBey_N900: there is an image ? | 23:08 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | shure is,i have on my device | 23:08 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | not now though.. | 23:08 |
| berndhs | that doesn't help me a lot :) | 23:09 |
| berndhs | i have one from last week I think | 23:09 |
| berndhs | where is it from ? I'll add it to the wiki if its not there already | 23:09 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ | 23:10 |
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| KaziKluBey_N900 | berndhs: you meant nemo right? | 23:12 |
| berndhs | yes | 23:14 |
| berndhs | I put it in the list of resources | 23:15 |
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| arc_mat|tp | the paradigms of this timezone demand I go to bed now | 23:21 |
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| king_aoeu | i'm finding nemo deconcerting | 23:26 |
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| berndhs | ah, sunny on saturday, good to mow the field for the last time this year | 23:32 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | Maybe some flyshing too if we're lucky | 23:34 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | flyfishing | 23:34 |
| berndhs | I can ride around on the tractor and think about applications I would like to have :) | 23:35 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | I can stand in a perfect stream and ponder... | 23:36 |
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| KaziKluBey_N900 | I just don't understand the difference between cssu and nemo. Personally I feel nemo is the future and cssu a workaround... | 23:39 |
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| Venemo | KaziKluBey_N900, I'm sorry? | 23:40 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | Huh? | 23:40 |
| berndhs | what is cssu ? | 23:41 |
| andre__ | cssu is based on maemo. | 23:41 |
| Venemo | KaziKluBey_N900, you srsly don't understand the difference between cssu and nemo? | 23:41 |
| andre__ | http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU | 23:41 |
| andre__ | while nero is meego's community edition. | 23:41 |
| andre__ | that's the difference, I'd say. | 23:41 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | Yes I do. But I don't understand why people commits in nemo instead | 23:42 |
| Venemo | KaziKluBey_N900, Nemo is a user experience over Mer. Community SSU is a bunch of fixes for the old Maemo 5. | 23:42 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | Since it seems as nemo is the most open | 23:42 |
| Venemo | indeed it is | 23:43 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | What i'm trying to say is I would like to see everyone comitting to nemo since maemo is a deadend. Or,is it? | 23:45 |
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| Stskeeps | more of a #nemomobile topic | 23:46 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | aa,you're right | 23:46 |
| KaziKluBey_N900 | sorry,got caught up in the heated debate earlier on... | 23:49 |
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