Thursday, 2011-11-03

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merlin1991someone should update the index page, the link to the wiki there still points to instead of
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iekkucoffee \o/05:49
slonopotamuswhere's my dose?05:50
* iekku whistles and move silently to nearest door05:53
Jucatoyou need your dose too, it seems :)05:54
iekkuand rolls 1d20 to see if she is suprised05:54
Jucatosaving throw fail :)05:55
Jucatothe DC is 1005:55
iekkuoh, it's been so long... but because i don't rope anymore i can always say i'm not nerd or geek05:57
Jucatoanyway, so YAY Plasma Active/MeeGo runs well on my new tablet, which apparently has exactly the same specs as a ViewPad 10 (but it's not rebranded). now to wait/work for a Plasma Active/Mer port (same as for the ExoPC)05:57
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Jucatoyeah :)06:00
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Stskeepsmorn Sage_06:23
StskeepsSage_: anything that'd be good for me to work on this morning?06:23
Jucato(link to the wiki on the front page?)06:24
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Sage_Stskeeps: hmmp... Give me a moment to collect my thoughs :)06:26
StskeepsSage_: ok06:27
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Sage_Stskeeps: you have n950 available for testing atm.?06:34
Stskeepsyes, well, RD certificate one readily available06:36
Stskeepsprobably best for debugging06:36
* dm8tbr also has one available for testing06:40
Sage_I can do new images as soon as I get one systemui patch rebased and N950 image at least needs testing.06:41
Jucatois someone doing hardware adaptation for x86? specifically ExoPC/ViewPad 10 hardware?06:45
StskeepsJucato: we have sone x86 adaptation for generic x86 ongoing in CE/Nemo06:48
Sage_ok, this last patch needs more testing.06:48
* Stskeeps looks into the setuid issue06:49
JucatoStskeeps: really? that's a surprise. I've always presumed Nemo would be more of N900 (ARM) + Handset UX. though it would probably be weird to run the handset UX on the tablet :)06:50
Sage_ <- what should we do with these?06:50
Sage_Stskeeps: ^06:50
Sage_-> #nemomobile06:50
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JucatoSage_: that's the channel for CE/Nemo?06:57
StskeepsJucato: it's an effort06:57
Jucatoah I see06:58
Jucatothough I'm kinda a bit hesitant to ask them about the hardware adaptation if I'm not going to use their UX (planning on Plasma Active) >.<06:59
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Sage_Jucato: ? I'm also compiling plasma active on top of Nemo/Mer :)07:02
JucatoSage_: ahaha! ok. I wasn't sure how to approach things/people. kinda new to the scene. so trying to be extra careful :)07:03
Sage_Jucato: Don't be affraid to ask. We are quite open people and pro experiments :)07:05
Sage_Jucato: if you are interested I would need some help with PlasmaActive compile.07:05
Jucatothanks :)07:05
Jucato(how about open to beginners? :)07:05
Sage_Jucato: open to everyone :)07:06
Jucatoawesome! thanks :D07:06
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Sage_Jucato: the problem I'm having is that for some reason something goes terrybly wrong when compiling kde-runtime package:
StskeepsSage_: the mystery thickens with xorg-x11-server -- /usr/bin/Xorg isn't +s in %{buildroot}07:10
Jucatoall nepomuk related? O.o07:10
StskeepsSage_: do we have -setuid installed normally?07:10
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Sage_Stskeeps: now we should have. Previously it was a roll of dice :)07:11
Sage_Now sgx requires -setuid version so it should be always there07:11
Stskeepsi'm not entirely sure if i should fix anything in xorg, except maybe conflicting non-setuid and setuid07:12
Sage_you can't conflict non setuid in setuid as non setuid provides setuid and then it would conflict with itself :)07:13
* Sage_ reads his line again07:13
Sage_yes, ^ :)07:13
Stskeepsnon setuid ddoesn't provide -setuid07:13
Sage_If packages has Provides: X and Conflicts: X then it will conflict with itself :)07:14
Sage_Stskeeps: ah, that might actually work. :)07:14
Sage_But be sure you test both yum and zypp mic image builders with both before pushing that change :)07:14
Sage_because I'm a bit sceptic about that07:15
Sage_It should be done to avoid these things. Currently at least yum takes both of those to image :P07:15
Sage_so possibility for mess is there07:15
* Sage_ submits phonon to CE:MW:Shared soon07:17
Sage_Bostik: ?07:18
odin_do you need set have "# rootforbuild" in *.spec ?  for +s to work  ?07:18
Bostikqt-anything... out-of-tree builds...
BostikSage_: sorry, just banging my head on desk here07:19
Stskeepsodin_: nah, it's a rpm trick07:19
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StskeepsBostik: qt-webkit 2.2?07:20
Stskeepslet me know when you have a package for that07:22
Bostikhopefully I have patches+spec for functional binaries today, getting everything enabled properly will take until next week for certain07:23
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Sage_[    7.004760] systemd[1]: Failed to open /dev/autofs: No such file or directory07:37
Sage_so the autofs4 is needed I guess.07:37
Sage_hmmp... I have CONFIG_AUTOFS4=y already.07:37
Sage_do I need also # CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS is not set07:37
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kimjuno, only one of those.07:40
Sage_so what is that error then?07:41
Sage_kimju: did you see my kernel packaging for panda btw? :)07:41
kimjuSage_, not yet, just noted that you've done it07:43
Sage_kimju: from scratch without the normal kernel packaging mess ;)07:44
kimjuSage_, url?07:45
* Sage_ looks07:45
Sage_Stskeeps: looks good07:47
StskeepsSage_: just single-build checks right now, but yeah07:48
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kimjuSage_, try removing the "# CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS is not set" line from .config07:55
Sage_kimju: should I put it CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=y ?07:56
kimjulines 1920 & 1921, you currently have both. so it might turn autofs4 on and then back off in the next line.07:57
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StskeepsSage_: spot an error in,8808:06
Sage_Stskeeps: no, but pkgmgr might disagree :)08:07
StskeepsSage_: probably, but let's see how it reacts08:07
Stskeepsi forgot to edit yaml :)08:07
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Sage_ah, I tought there wasn't yaml08:08
Sage_hmmp... that gerrit should really show all fiels08:08
Stskeepsyou can click through to webkit08:08
Stskeepser, gitwe08:08
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Sage_ah, complicated :P08:09
Sage_\o/ xterm on panda screen with Mer08:10
Sage_software driver though08:10
Sage_also rj45 networking works :)08:10
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Stskeepsmorn Ronksu08:12
Ronksuhow are things rolling here? =)08:12
iekkufor some reason i read "trolling"08:12
Stskeepsquite good, working on automated package validation08:12
Ronksuiekku: I'd expect trolling to be fairly low :)08:13
Ronksupackage validation as in verifying that package is properly constructed (deps and all), or some autotesting stuff?08:14
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Stskeepsso a fairly throughout testing of that a change to a package is valid and doesn't break shit08:15
StskeepsRonksu: -> All, Open08:16
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StskeepsSage_: please review,89 and add an comment on potential package manager screwup08:25
Ronksulooks nice08:26
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Sage_kimju: thx, taht helped08:42
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lbtStskeeps: I notice the changelog version is the same in November as in May ....08:57
Stskeepslbt: not nearly enough coffee for that08:58
lbtAre we ready to enforce that rule yet?08:58
lbtI suspect not08:58
Stskeepsno, and i'd like a review on it based on that we now do change-by-change sets :P09:00
Stskeepswhich adds another data point09:00
* lbt goes for coffee first09:01
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lbtSage_: where it says : Conflicts :  - "%{name}-Xorg-setuid"09:06
lbtwon't %{name} expand to Xorg?09:06
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Stskeepsname == xorg-x11-server09:08
lbtOK ... but package Xorg-setuid ... Provides:   xorg-x11-server-Xorg09:09
lbtgoddam gerrit webui disables page search09:10
w00twhat browser? works ok for me using chromium09:10
lbtfirefox using "/"09:11
lbt^F seems to work but I have to tell my fingers :(09:11
w00tah, dunno about inline search, i guess that's a bit easier to intercept09:11
Stskeepssmoku: ping09:18
smokuStskeeps: pong09:23
Stskeepssmoku: LXC's .. they're just directories aren't they?09:24
Stskeepsand not seperate file systems/block devices09:24
Stskeepslinux containers? thought you used it at your machine :)09:25
smokunope. I use its predecessor - OpenVZ09:25
smokuand yes - it's just chroot on steroids09:26
smokuin both cases09:26
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* dm8tbr is using LXC09:30
lbtlxc doesn't offer the same isolation as virtualisation from a security PoV iirc09:31
Stskeepsi know09:31
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dm8tbrit's the same kernel for all instances, so that makes /dev/mem a dangerous place :)09:32
kimjuthere be dragons? :)09:33
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lbtdepends... if you're running untrusted code (like in a builder or mic2)09:34
lbtto be reasonably secure for those you need to have a discrete kernel AFAIK09:34
lbtsee how many hosting companies give you root on an lxc container vs xen/kvm09:35
dm8tbryeah, I'd be cautious in an OBS setting09:35
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StskeepsSage_: any news on n950 image?09:50
Sage_including musicshelf to image and then building all images10:01
Sage_sry, had some other things that distracted me a bit.10:01
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Sage_Found '/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-adaptation-pandaboard-3.1-24.1.arm' in installed files; aborting <- what does that mean?10:38
Stskeepssomething screwed up10:38
Stskeepsi guess10:38
Stskeepstake a hard look at your %install and perhaps the /lib/modules/10:39
StskeepsAnyway, the old mic2 will be replaced by a new written tool, named "mic", which10:39
Stskeepswill be much better. As Kevin have told you, you can have a try by using the pkgs10:39
Stskeepsin devel:tools:building project of MeeGo obs.10:39
lbtshouldn't it be tic ?10:39
Stskeepsthat is curious indeed10:39
Sage_I saw that commit couple of days ago10:39
Stskeepscan't see any immediate arm support10:41
Sage_at least they had arm tests there10:41
Sage_n900 .ks file IIRC10:42
Stskeepswill you track that as a replacement for mic2 in mer/nemo?10:42
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Sage_didn't test that as my current installation works nicely :D10:42
Sage_sure I can check that once we get a bit further.10:42
Sage_"We will post additional details about this project in the coming weeks, including the code, developer documentation, and more. We look forward to working with all of you to make Tizen a success!" <- this was 5 weeks ago :D10:45
Sage_ <- I don't get this.10:46
Sage_make install goes ok, but the + /usr/lib/rpm/check-buildroot script sees something it doesn't like10:46
Stskeepsls -lR buildroot?10:47
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Sage_Stskeeps: added also grep kernel-adaptation-pandaboard there10:50
Sage_probably time to eat something.10:51
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Stskeepssounds like a good idea10:51
Stskeepsi'm testing n950 image10:52
dcthangon N950, there are some hw issues to connect to operator with oFono lib10:55
Sage_ <- does this give you more clues?10:58
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StskeepsSage_: urgh..11:01
StskeepsSage_: look how old packaging got rid of that11:01
* Stskeeps tries to boot n950 image11:05
StskeepsSage_: not getting an ui11:07
Stskeepsoh, scrap that11:07
Stskeepswas just in idle mode11:07
Stskeepswifi works..11:11
Sage_Stskeeps: e.g.         cp -a acpi asm-generic config crypto drm generated keys linux math-emu media mtd net pcmcia rdma rxrpc scsi sound video trace $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/lib/modules/$KernelVer/build/include11:12
Sage_200 lines of mv, cp, ln, touch :D11:12
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Sage_\o/ kernel headers in package :)11:41
Sage_        file /usr/include/video/sisfb.h from install of kernel-adaptation-pandaboard-headers-3.1-30.1.Mer.armv7l conflicts with file from package kernel-headers-2.6.37-1.1.Mer.armv7l11:41
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Sage_so where the headers should be?11:43
Stskeepsdon't install them into /usr/include, for sure..11:43
Sage_or should my package "Provides: kernel-headers"?11:43
Sage_my f15 installs kernel headers to  /usr/include :P11:44
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kimjuhmm, imho /usr/include should contain those kernel headers that your libc was compiled against11:45
Stskeepswhich is our kernel-headers package11:46
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Sage_ok, so my package should be kernel-devel?11:46
Stskeepslook at how they did it for old packaging i guess11:46
* Sage_ enjoys when he learns more about kernel packaging11:49
Sage_also I'm missing a lot of files from my devel package11:50
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Sage_vgrade: do you know if there is meego image that boots on acer iconia a500? I have one iconia a500 that is bricked on android side so free for other testing if it boots :)13:23
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vgradelooks at a50013:26
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Sage_vgrade: <- the link for fastboot doesn't work13:34
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vgradeSage_ , look a possible target.  We need a 2.6.38 kernel (or GPU stuff backported) to match the gfx userspace drivers. I can see a 2.6.36 kernel but nothing later.  If it gets an ICS update that should come with a later kernel13:36
Jucatohm .. advent vega ... still tempted to risk borking mom's, even when I already have my own tablet :)13:36
vgradeSage_, fastboot linked from here13:39
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vgradeSage_, link updated13:42
Sage_no usb devices are found when booting the iconia with musb cable attached13:44
Sage_ah, now it found something13:45
Sage_so not totally dead :)13:46
vgradeSage, you usually need some key sequence, holding down to boot into apx mode13:47
vgradethis will allow you to nvflash erase the boot partition13:48
vgradethis will then boot into fastboot mode13:48
vgradeat least on the Vega anywasy13:48
Sage_trying to do just  "sudo ./fastboot boot zImage" to check if that can even find the device13:49
Sage_no success :/13:50
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vgradethe fastboot method may be device specific.  The other method is nvflash method13:51
Sage_guide to that?13:51
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vgradesec, but have a look for a software/firmware update for the device they usually come with nvflash all setup. Usually an exe which you can unzip.13:53
Sage_vgrade: btw, the device is just blank. So nothing comes to screen and probably there is nothing in the ROM either :)13:54
Sage_so probably some very low level stuff needed. And personally I don't have much experience with android based tools13:54
vgradeSage_  if there is a firmware upgrade it usually can sort things out once you get the device in the right mode.  As I said usually press power while holding up/doen/home key13:56
Sage_vgrade: People from whom I got this said that device didn't respond to any firmware upgrades13:57
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vgrade so I guess they tried this as well13:58
Sage_vgrade: I tried that reset button already, no effect.14:00
Sage_This tablet is "brick" because some root hack went bad or something14:00
vgradeFor going into recovery mode power off your device and then by holding the power and volume down button until you see something on the screen.14:01
* Sage_ ponders which direction is volume down14:01
Sage_ <- devices doesn't vibrate :P14:03
StskeepsSage_: sorry for spamming a bit on the xorg review :P14:04
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Sage_Stskeeps: nah, it disappears to the normal mail flood :)14:05
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vgradeSage_ ok, sounds like the android boot and recovery partitons are wiped.  All the tegra devices I've seen can be booted into a nVidia apx mode to allow nvflash to talk.  I'l see if I can find out if the A500 can support this mode14:06
Sage_the nvflash is not there at the website
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Stskeepslbt / phaeron: ping14:58
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phaeronStskeeps: pong15:00
Stskeepsfound out how ruote "set" worked :)15:00
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lbtStskeeps: you canuse a seperate .conf too16:18
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vgradeSage, found this, seems there is some locking on the device :(
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Stskeepsi'm starting to like ruote quite a bit19:28
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Sage_vgrade: :/19:41
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vgradeSage_ looks like thats a non starter for Nemo builds but I would say you may be able to reflash it with stock bins19:44
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Sage_vgrade: "may be able to reflash" did you find a guide for that? :)20:16
tagunilhello everyone20:17
tagunilI'm a beginner20:17
tagunilCan someone tell me whether it is possible to build Mer-based image from .ks file on non-Fedora system?20:18
Stskeepsshould be :)20:19
vgradeSage_ I was going on some of the comments from the last link , I thougt I read that you maybe could get device back if you used the right bins ie ones with the right keys20:19
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vgradetagunil, hi, mic2 has been used on other distros, ubuntu for eg but I've had most success with fedora.  I use a ready made vm in virtualbox20:21
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vgradeSage_ "ok i fixed it with a backup of p7 so with this we can confirm that checksums are in p7"20:24
vgradeand "another way to boot into APX mode, is turning off the tablet.20:24
vgradepush and hold the "reset" button and press power on and wait.. and you get APX enabled as well.."20:24
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Sage_didn't work20:24
tagunilvgrade: mic2 can't build a bootstrap from Mer repo on my Gentoo :( I will try Fedora. Thanks!20:25
Stskeepstagunil: that's not unknown, use mic-bootstrap20:25
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Stskeeps,89 (look at comments), is starting to look coool20:26
tagunilStskeeps: from which repo can I create bootstrap? someone of MeeGo's?20:27
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Stskeepstagunil: yeah, meego should be fine atm20:27
tagunilSage_: I've looked at your kde-runtime build log20:32
tagunilSage_: according to kde-runtime's CMakeLists.txt, nepomuk part of kde-runtime isn't building without Soprano Virtuoso Backend20:32
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vgradetagunil, we saw that but we don't understand as the cmake seems to find soprano bits but then reports they are missing20:35
vgradeStskeeps, Mer automation working for free!20:35
Stskeepsyeah, means less work for the rest of us ;)20:36
vgradedoes it do kernel packaging :)20:36
Stskeepsit only currently does the core packages :)20:36
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tagunilvgrade: ah, sorry... Will try to find anything else20:40
Sage_tagunil: ah, thx. Need to look that20:42
Sage_tagunil: ok, nm :)20:44
Sage_   * Virtuoso storage backend (missing libiodbc -
Sage_I disabled that iodbc dependency :D20:46
Sage_ok so my fault :)20:46
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Sage_vgrade, tagunil: So I found out the issue. Will check if I can fix that20:49
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Sage_vgrade: grr, it seems that I really need to get gtk there to get that part included :/20:53
Sage_which is a bit ironic as plasma should be qt based in general :P20:53
Sage_or hmm20:54
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tagunilSage_: yes, --disable-gui --disable-gtktest configure options should help to build libiodbc without gtk :)21:08
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Sage_tagunil: well, I did something a bit more radical :)21:09
Sage_tagunil: I removed all gtk related packages from the buildroot :D21:09
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vgradeSage_ that gtk is everwhere. I've recently built QtDesktop which is Qt based with all Qt/QML apps. Except they pulled in xscreensaver which pulled in gtk21:16
vgradeI did the same removed xscreensaver21:16
Sage_vgrade: managed to get rid of it :)21:17
Sage_now waiting and hoping that everything builds21:17
Sage_vgrade: if it builds only 31 packages in my MW :)21:17
Sage_vgrade: sry, 28 (3 are to be upstreamed to KDE:Devel)21:17
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tagunilSage_: so what is main differences between your Mer:UX:PlasmaActive and Project:KDE:Devel? They are also building on Mer...21:18
vgradeSage_ that would be a manageable amount21:19
vgradetagunil, they are using Mer_Extras which has around 165 packages over and above Mer core. Sage_ is looking to reduce that21:20
Sage_tagunil: very small. Only 3 minor patches to go and it is done. Mainly just removing some deps.21:20
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Sage_There might be some lost functionality though in my version but that needs to be looked latest if those matter actually in mobile environment21:23
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tagunilvgrade, Sage_: thanks! I'd like to see something like Nemo or Plasma Active on my N900 :) So I want to help somehow... I can test N900 images at least21:25
Sage_\o/ success \o/21:25
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vgradetagunil, I've tried plasma on N900 and it grinds to a halt. There was a memory regression which does not matter on ExoPc/Wetab with 2GB21:26
vgradeSage_ nice one21:26
vgradekdepim and plasma-mobile are not building in KDE:Devel atm21:29
tagunilvgrade: any chances for that regression to be fixed?21:30
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vgradetagunil, yes the guys are looking at it.
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tagunilvgrade: isn't this note about memory consumption on startup only?21:48
vgradetagunil yes, but that breaks the budget on N900 I think21:50
vgradeSage_ , looks like you need to talk to sc2k21:57
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tagunilvgrade: so all of N900's memory will be used anyway, just a bit later? Or I've missed something?22:01
vgradeThey were looking at usage of 110MB when it was supposed to be 30MB22:07
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tagunilvgrade: ah, I've understood. will wait...22:15
vgradethere is a build at but its incomplete22:16
tagunilvgrade: I've seen a video:
tagunilvgrade: looked pretty well22:19
vgradeyea that was before I fixed a couple of things :)22:23
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vgradegive it a go22:27
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vgradecxl000, hi22:56
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cxl000morning vgrade22:56
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vgradeI've been doing some packaging, well trying22:59
Jucatooh hey that's my video :)22:59
vgradeall new to me so going round in circles a bit22:59
vgradeJucato, hi22:59
Jucatohi vgrade!23:00
vgradenice new tablet I hear23:00
Jucatoheh yeah :)23:00
vgradex86 though, does it run hot23:00
Jucatoyep :)23:00
vgradeExopc has a fan exhaust at the top23:01
Jucatoditto :)23:01
cxl000I've also built the 3.1 kernel for the n810 and some of the the supporting packages23:01
vgradeno wonder intel can't do phones23:01
Jucatovgrade: I can imagine burning/exploding phones :)23:01
vgradecxl000 cool, did you have a look at Stskeeps cvm projects on Build.meego.com23:02
* tripzero 's n900 says maemo update available?23:02
vgradecxl000, pepedog ran the QtDesktop on Arch om trimslice as well23:03
tripzerovgrade, exopc is a netbook cpu in a tablet.  not exactly the same as what you'd ever see in an intel based handset/tablet23:03
cxl000Yes. I built watchdog. refreshed from upstream with systemd not yet tested23:03
Jucatotripzero: but weren't they also advertising Pine Trail for tablets?23:03
vgradetripzero, looking forward to the next gen intel23:03
tripzeroJucato, intel? not pinetrail afaik23:04
Jucatobut actually yeah, having netbook-like specs is the reason I actually picked this over an ARM tablet. much more familiar ground for me to hack on23:04
Jucato(I mean, in terms of software availability and stuff)23:05
cxl000Looks like he was using tslib for touch screen but it should be possible to use evdev23:05
tripzeroiirc, they were pushing oaktrail for tablets23:05
Jucatowrong tree then :)23:06
vgradecxl000, I've packaged libopenspotify for rpm, next qspot23:06
JucatoI don't mind the heat a bit. with 4 hours unplugged battery life (on standby I think), you won't be holding it much :)23:06
Jucato(unplugged, that is)23:06
vgradeJucato, winter is comming no need for gloves23:08
Jucatowe don't have winter here :P23:08
Jucatobut yeah it's getting colder, but never cold enough for gloves23:08
tripzerobah, it's just a security update. :(23:09
Jucatofrom maemo? O.o23:09
Jucatooh CSSU?23:09
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