Tuesday, 2011-11-01

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* Sage_ is wondering even more about the kernel packaging now when doing it from a clean table and how simple it appears to be in the end.05:34
Sage_Stskeeps: mer should sync with the connman from T:T btw05:36
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Sage_Stskeeps: also check SR 2443805:37
Sage_on build.meego.com05:37
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Sage_hah, build.tizen.org responds to me however requires username and pass but it responds :)05:44
Sage_same with api.05:45
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Sage_Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-pandaboard&project=home%3Asage%3AMer%3AAdaptation%3Apandaboard :)06:04
Sage_haven't tried and there is probably things that need fixing, but at least the packaging is simple :)06:05
Sage_So only x-loader to go and I should have the nessessary components for panda built.06:07
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* dm8tbr adds api.tizen.org to his monitoring... :D06:10
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slonopotamusread through http://merproject.org:2080/project/packages?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase ... why lua, wayland and scons?06:18
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Sage_It is not open for public :)06:19
_av500_i guess they are still porting the community...06:20
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* _av500_ could not troll the tizen talk at ELCE06:20
_av500_it trolled itself06:20
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slonopotamus_meh, got disconnected06:21
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slonopotamus_really, why lua?06:24
_av500_nice short name06:27
slonopotamus_i mean, why it is in base?06:28
_av500_but scons....06:28
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Stskeepsslonopotamus_: wayland's there for mesa06:58
Stskeepsslonopotamus_: scons is some crazy thing that needs it06:58
Bostikcrazy is just the word06:59
Stskeepsslonopotamus_: look at Core:i586 instead though06:59
Bostikit has the sex appeal of a car crash - not something you'd want to be in but can't help to slow down and keep looking07:00
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Stskeepsactually, i'm not sure why scons is there07:01
Stskeepslooks like it could potentially be removed07:01
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Stskeepsliblua is required by rpm, rpmlint, etc07:01
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* Stskeeps hugs his coffee machine07:08
Stskeepsvgrade: good work with qtdesktop07:09
vgradeSage, I like the simplicity of that kernel spec07:09
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vgradeStskeeps, there a a number of associated apps, http://www.qtdesktop.org/home/applist07:11
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Stskeepsvgrade: how performant is it?07:12
vgradeStskeeps, very, feels very snappy07:14
vgradewill do a video once I have some apps up07:15
vgradeqmlviewer splash is smooth07:16
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StskeepsSage_: fun - bme internally fails to build07:22
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vgradeStskeeps, Eugene from QtDesktop has emailed interested in the project.  He has n81007:43
Stskeepsarmv6 builds are imported into COBS07:43
vgradeOk, Mer_Core_armv6l07:44
Stskeepssee topic07:45
vgradeneed to add v6 to the wiki, what scheduler does it use?07:47
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Stskeepsjarkko^: is libsmack still being maintained anywhere?08:01
mecewtf is smack? Sounds... interesting.08:02
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Sage_vgrade: so do I. Need to test if that works though.08:04
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Sage_Stskeeps: :/ Well we haven't checked those in a long time.08:09
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StskeepsSage_: i'm pondering if we should just add libcreds and libsmack to n950 adaptation08:18
Sage_Stskeeps: I can check those sure. If you see the need for those08:18
Stskeepsyeah, i'm just reading the code and i'm pondering if it's worth pulling out those dependancies08:19
Stskeepslbt: could you add ns1.gratisdns.dk .. ns5 in the IN NS section for merproject.org when you wake up?08:20
jarkko^Stskeeps: it was not maintained until autumn08:21
Stskeepsjarkko^: ok08:21
Stskeepsjarkko^: reason i asked was because i saw you working on chromium-smack so08:21
jarkko^yes i'm working on smack sandboxing for that08:22
jarkko^libsmack was on free fall after feb08:22
jarkko^and in september i cleaned up unnecessary parts and now I think I'll tag 1.0 soon08:23
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jarkko^I'm also working on unofficial side project called smackctl.. it is under tests directory of libsmack atm08:25
jarkko^my idea is to create initializer for smack user space in C so it would be better fit for embedded systems08:25
Sage_Stskeeps: checking the libsmack/libcreds now and what deps they need08:26
Stskeepsjarkko^: makes sense08:26
jarkko^libcreds can be dropped08:26
Stskeepsjarkko^: we're dealing with BME from nokia, so we can't totally drop libcreds..08:26
jarkko^it is unused and no one is maintaining it as far as i know08:27
Stskeepsjarkko^: just want to rely on code flows to make sure it doesn't function (as aegis isn't up)08:27
* Sage_ is having problems loading build.pub.meego.com site08:29
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dm8tbrSage_: I've seen some flapping, maybe there is a DDoS again?08:31
X-FadeYeah, OSU is dropping connections for me again.08:32
Sage_Stskeeps: libcreds doesn't work as such from meego so need to look at that or need to drop the dep.08:33
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StskeepsSage_: define 'doesnt' work as such'?08:40
Sage_doesn't compile :)08:40
Stskeepsok url?08:40
Sage_Unable to verify if it works in meego.com T:T as that obs is down :P08:41
Stskeeps.. yeah, that looks bad08:41
Sage_I managed to do copypac before that obs went down :D08:41
Stskeepsuse markus's libcreds2 instead08:41
Sage_I suspect that it doesn't compile in the first place for arm atm.08:42
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Stskeepslet's see how libcreds2 works when it's up again and after that fails, i'll patch bme08:45
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Sage_X-Fade, lbt: wazzup with cobs? scheduler died?08:56
X-FadeSage_: Checking already.08:57
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* Sage_ kicks COBS09:07
X-FadeCrappy connectivity.09:07
Stskeepsrats eating at the cables09:07
* Sage_ sees package building again in cobs09:10
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Sage_X-Fade: may I ask what was the problem this time?09:11
X-FadeSage_: network connectivity.09:11
lbtI concurr :D09:11
X-FadeSage_: Remote link -> no network, wait wait.09:11
X-Fadenetwork back, scheduler running again.09:12
X-FadeMy ssh connections got disconnected 3 times already this morning.09:12
X-FadeAnd I'm not even on my 2nd coffee :)09:13
dm8tbrhmm do we still use btrfs for something or did we move away from that? seems there is some updated toolset, still no fsck though09:21
Stskeepswe usually use ext409:22
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arnetShishkin, whos currently maintains reiser4 and works for redhat, also does some work on btrfs was critisizing btrfs in one interview09:39
arnetlike, "they dont really understand what they are doing"09:40
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Sage_Stskeeps: you taking that libcreds2 thing with bme?10:02
Stskeepsyes, i can10:04
Stskeepswhen obs is back up10:04
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vgradeStskeeps, did you get the n810 kernel from https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/omap24xx10:19
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vgradeand flashing instructions from , http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/n810-openwrt.html10:23
Stskeepsyou can just use flasher -l -k zimage -b10:24
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niqthow can build flashable image for N900? if exist instrunction i can write it on wiki for all, so you don't repeat the same things10:36
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cxl000vgrade I have one cooking in https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-n810&project=home%3Acxl000%3An810%3Atesting11:12
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vgradecxl000, ok12:08
vgradedid you see pandaboard kernel spec from Sage, really cutdown12:09
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StskeepsSage_: good work on kernel packaging13:04
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smokuStskeeps: is it up to date? http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS13:07
smokuanything else I should read?13:07
Stskeepshttp://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_installation perhaps13:08
smokucool. thanks :)13:08
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Sage_Stskeeps: thanks13:11
StskeepsSage_: surprisingily simple.. and kind of depressing too ;)13:12
Sage_Stskeeps: I couldn't believe my eyes when I got it compiled with so few lines :D13:12
Sage_Why on the earth people are using so complex packaging for kernel :)13:12
Sage_However, that doesn't package the devel and probably some other things are missing, but it has the kernel binary and the modules which is already quite nice.13:13
Sage_I will boot that kernel on panda this evening at home if I have time to. To verify that it boots at least13:14
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Sage_too bad that I didn't get the x-loader to compile yet. Otherwise the adaptation for panda would be just a .ks file away :)13:14
Sage_yes, sgx driver missing, but anyway.13:15
Stskeepsless of a problem :P13:15
dm8tbrSage_: well we don't have to worry about hfp any more :)13:16
Sage_dm8tbr: I know :)13:16
dm8tbrI'm trying to find some time and dig into the snowball...13:16
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* lbt beats smoku with the burning remnants of the OBS13:25
lbtsmoku: can you disable and Fedora15 builds please13:26
lbtthey take out OBS workers13:26
Stskeeps'take out'?13:26
lbtthey take up a build slot and cycle forever13:27
Stskeepssounds like a bug13:27
lbtit is13:27
lbtkernel on obs != F15 udev13:27
lbtand... actually13:28
lbtthey scan through all the workers marking them as bad build hosts13:28
lbtso we have no build hosts13:28
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Stskeepskill the fedora project?13:28
Stskeepsthat came out wrong13:29
lbt:D   done - but existing ones keep running13:29
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Stskeepscan't you as admin abortbuild hne/13:29
lbtsmoku: I <disable repository="Fedora_15"/>  in your proj13:32
smokulbt: oh. I was hoping to do builds for F15 actually13:33
lbtsorry - broken at the moment13:33
lbtit seems to take out every single build host13:33
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Stskeepssmoku: tvp info, crash of 767 in okecie, though i think it says everyone is safe14:02
* dm8tbr checks news14:03
dm8tbrrp.pl didn't have it yet14:03
Stskeepsi heard a huge roar some time before, might have been f16's checking the landing wheels14:03
Stskeepsbelly landing, it looks like14:04
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dm8tbrpretty much SOP for a large airport14:05
smokuirc - the quickest news source :)14:09
smokuStskeeps: i rarely watch tv14:09
Stskeeps:nod: me neither, for natural reasons14:10
Stskeepsjust good for live images at times14:10
Stskeepslooks like they closed the airport, https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWeb/notamRetrievalByICAOAction.do?method=displayByICAOs&formatType=ICAO&retrieveLocId=EPWA&reportType=RAW&actionType=notamRetrievalByICAOs14:12
smokunot only airport http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1722741,0,1,samolot-wyladowal-al-krakowska-nadal-zamknieta,wiadomosc.html14:12
Stskeepsand today traffic is extra screwed in the first place around graveyards..14:14
phaeronStskeeps: is that the chopin airport ?14:16
Stskeepsphaeron: yeah14:16
phaeronI was supposed to go through there with family tomorrow14:17
phaerongood thing I postponed to 16th14:17
Stskeepsnot sure when they would reopen it14:17
phaeronit should be fixed by then .. ?14:17
Stskeepsi have no idea how quickly you can remove a 767 from a runway :P14:17
dm8tbrStskeeps: that gazeta page mentions two F1614:17
Stskeepsdm8tbr: ok, probably what i heard then14:17
dm8tbrI think the problem is rather damage to the runway14:18
Stskeepsthat too14:18
smokuthere is more than one runway there ;-)14:18
dm8tbrI know, was going to mention14:18
dm8tbrit looked like 3 but I didn't look closely in august14:18
smokui guess they will reopen the port as soon the passengers are safe14:19
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* Stskeeps glances at tv pictures14:20
Stskeepsthose passengers are not nearly far away enough from the plane14:20
Stskeepsclosed until tomorrow 8:00 at least14:21
dm8tbrdid they foam up the rwy?14:22
Stskeepslooks like there's a lot of foam at least14:22
dm8tbrI'm sure they sprayed the acft immediately14:22
dm8tbrwas just curious as I was just told that using foam for the whole rwy is getting out of fashion14:23
Stskeepsthere was a lot of sparks at least14:23
smokuI'm trying to come up with a workflow that will allow me to work on the package source and the packaging at the same time14:25
smokuboth local OBS and rpmbuild looks like PITA14:25
smokudid anyone come up with an easy solution for this?14:26
dm8tbrosc build or whatever that is?14:26
smokuthis needs upstream obs holding the sources14:27
Stskeepssmoku: sec14:27
Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/Local_Build_Without_OBS_Needed maybe14:27
Stskeepsdm8tbr: ah, there was clearly foam on the runway14:28
Stskeepseither that or snow came early14:28
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smokuStskeeps: what is the format of --repository 'build' uses?14:30
Stskeepssmoku: URL for a rpm repo14:30
smokuso file:///.... to 'createrepo' repository is enough?14:31
smokuthat may work.14:31
Stskeepsnot sure how it works with multiple, hopefully it does14:31
smokuthanks :)14:31
smokui will need to tgz the source beforehand though, right?14:32
Stskeepsyes, but you can probably add that to an alias14:32
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dm8tbrbtw: that beagle-bone looks interesting14:35
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dm8tbrI'd expect the beagleboard adaptation would be easy to extend14:35
Stskeepsfor more oomph than the raspberry14:35
dm8tbrcomes without any graphics output ootb though :)14:36
Stskeepsdidn't spot that14:36
dm8tbryeah, they'll be pushing that as addon-boards14:36
Stskeepsah, expansion boards14:36
dm8tbrDVI-D is almost ready14:37
smokuStskeeps: 'add to an alias'?14:37
dm8tbr"A DVI-D board is in the prototype phase right now. HDMI, VGA and LCD boards will follow. "14:37
Stskeepssmoku: bash aliases or something :P14:37
smokuoh :)14:37
smokuyeah. I was going to scripting, just was making sure14:38
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smokulbt: care to share /usr/lib/build/configs/f15.conf ? :)14:58
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smokulbt: from cobs setup15:00
lbtnot sure that's applied when it's a remote link15:02
lbtand it's not present15:02
Stskeepssmoku: look at build.opensuse.org "project configuration"15:03
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smokulbt: oh15:05
smokuStskeeps: don't follow15:05
Stskeepssmoku: sec15:05
lbtsorry - the fact that you were asking for a specific file made me think you knew what was happening :)15:05
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lbtyeah ... there you go15:06
lbtta Stskeeps15:06
smokuStskeeps: thanks15:06
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Stskeepsplaying with BOSS and gerrit: http://pastie.org/279446417:33
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tomeffhi, i have dded to my sdcard this image : http://images.formeego.org/n900/plasma-active/meego-plasma-handset-armv7hl-n900- and how i can now boot it on n900 (momentaly power-kernel)18:21
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Stskeepstomeff: follow instructions for MeeGo on N90018:23
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phaeronStskeeps: interesting !18:44
phaeronStskeeps: git hooks ?18:44
Stskeepsphaeron: nop, gerrit will call scripts18:44
phaeronah, cool18:45
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phaeronwe did http://ether-team.github.com/ether/ earlier for git hooks but didn't complete it18:46
phaeronhttps://github.com/ether-team/ether/blob/master/contrib/github.py was to integrate with github18:48
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Stskeepsnice and unix-y18:49
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phaeronStskeeps: so gerrit boss obs meet :)18:53
Stskeepsphaeron: yeah, at some point during the process - http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi is practically all our packages, ie, the packaging18:54
Stskeepsso i use OBS more as a builder service instead of trying to put a workflow into it18:54
phaeronthe purpose of the workflow we put in obs is for testing and release. source code should be separate from it imho18:56
phaeronso I agree with what you are doing :)18:57
Stskeeps:nod: what i mean is, http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=mer-core/attr.git;a=tree18:57
Stskeepsso it changes things around a fair bit how things are pushed in to the system18:58
* Sage_ is flashing mer pandaboard image to sdcard18:59
Sage_need to manually copy x-loader to it but testing that process works18:59
Stskeepsgood luck :)18:59
Sage_thx :)18:59
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phaeronStskeeps: mmm , the offline obs thing you were working on19:02
Stskeepsphaeron: yeah19:02
Stskeepsphaeron: lbt came up with an idea during a session that what hinders CI in meego-derived products is the fact that you can't follow it change-by-change19:03
phaeronbecause packages in obs are opaque19:03
Stskeepsphaeron: http://www.merproject.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=mer/project-core.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7863ba155a90b958d8f3b9ba66e2e4bacdf98b119:03
Stskeepsthe core is actually described by a git repo itself19:04
Sage_hmmp... doesn't boot :/19:04
StskeepsSage_: what step? uboot? xloader? kernel?19:04
Sage_well, power led turns on but nothing comes out from the serial19:05
StskeepsSage_: ok, and another sd card works i assume?19:05
phaeronI don't know why #obs shot down the idea of putting git at the core of obs19:05
Sage_I should see at least the xloader thin19:05
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Stskeepsphaeron: dunno either, but i kinda like this approach, makes it very easy to fork mer and distribute it19:05
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Stskeeps(and keep up to date)19:05
phaeronmaybe you should talk to dima, he's doing a light build service19:08
Stskeepshmm, maybe19:09
Stskeepsthe OBS light stuff or something else?19:09
phaeronno that's still obs19:10
phaeronhe's doing something not obs :)19:10
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Sage_hell... not sure what is wrong :/19:13
lbtStskeeps: phaeron ... interesting way to look at it ...19:14
Stskeepslook at what?19:15
lbt"what hinders CI in meego-derived products is the fact that you can't follow it change-by-change"19:15
Stskeepslbt: well, that's where i got the idea to actually pull this off :P19:15
Stskeepsdo you have a different interpretation?19:16
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Sage_ah, boot flag missing19:17
lbtno - the "stream of changes" that we discussed in that room is very similar19:17
lbtthere's a lot about the version control and change sync that matters19:18
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vgradenice one19:27
Sage_pandaboard boots with 3.1.0 kernel :)19:27
Sage_to some point19:27
StskeepsSage_: woo \o/19:28
Stskeepsobscure but useful OBS commands: "osc init"19:28
Sage_can someone say what is wrong? :)19:28
StskeepsSage_: devtmpfs19:28
vgradeStskeeps, beat me to that one. One from my presentation19:30
Stskeepsvgrade's wiki user page on wiki.mego.com19:30
Sage_any other kernel option that I should check?19:32
Sage_why ipv6 and dummy to n?19:33
Stskeepsdummy to n is because of connman19:34
Stskeepsipv6 .. i guess no good reason19:34
Sage_# CONFIG_DUMMY is not set19:34
Sage_^ same as =n ?19:34
vgradeSage_, is this an android kernel19:35
Sage_vgrade: upstream kernel from kernel.org19:35
vgradeok, so no need to remove PARANIOD_ANDRIOD19:35
vgradeI also have this other list http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#MeeGo_Kernel_Options19:36
Sage_CONFIG_AUTOFS4=y  <- what is this for?19:37
lbtnfs thing19:37
Sage_so not needed19:38
lbtyou *can* use it for other things too though19:38
Stskeepsit is kinda needed for systemd19:38
Sage_ah, ok19:38
Sage_# CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS is not set19:38
Sage_^ Is that the same?19:38
Stskeepsdevtmpfs is anyway the error you get19:39
Sage_yes, have that rebuilding already19:39
Sage_with cgroups as well19:39
Sage_and the modules.dep fix19:39
lbtAUTOFS4_FS is the top level thing to configure if using the automounter19:40
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lbtsystemd may use layers below19:41
vgradeI thought it was in the systemd deps but can't find the link now19:41
lbtI'm kinda surprised you want it19:43
lbtI'm not surprised systemd will manage it as a daemon though19:43
vgradeI added it after reading the Arch page19:44
Sage_CONFIG_FANOTIFY=y, optional, required for systemd readahead. <- Stskeeps might be the error in our boot from readahead19:44
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crevetorStskeeps: there ?19:44
Stskeepscrevetor: yep19:45
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crevetorGuy I have a qeustion : if I have a working framebuffer console I should be able to have a working Xorg using fbdev right ? (without HW acceleration of course)19:45
Stskeepscrevetor: usually, but MSM is a bit special i think19:45
Stskeepscrevetor: look for xorg-x11-drv-msm19:45
Stskeepsvgrade and others have notes on wiki.meego.com19:46
crevetorStskeeps: I've read through those already19:46
crevetorStskeeps: but it seems that this driver doesn't support 8x6019:46
crevetorStskeeps: In any case it says in the Xorg.0.log that fb0 not an MSM device19:46
Stskeepsfbdev should work on it's own19:47
crevetorStskeeps: for some strange reason it seems to be looking for some omap specific stuff /sys/../omap/dss or something like that19:47
vgradecrevetor, what hw are we talking about19:48
crevetorStskeeps: I still have hope since it seems that lib*GL* for webos is linked against a regular libc and not android's libc19:48
crevetorvgrade: HP Touchpad19:48
vgradeah ok, i saw the video, nice one19:48
crevetorvgrade: the video doesn't show much. But it boots up, I can ssh to it and stuff. I need to get X working now19:49
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vgradecrevetor, thats interesting19:49
vgradeso the fb is working as you got the plymouth splash19:50
crevetorvgrade: would you be interrested by the sources/howto ? I'm probably going to upload the whole thing to gitorious so that I can get others to start hacking on it19:50
crevetorvgrade: yeah it's working19:50
vgradeI'd be interested as the Nexus port was stalled due to the boinic EGL drivers19:51
vgradewhat image , ks are you using?19:51
vgradeomap/dss does not sound right19:52
crevetorvgrade: I'm using the latest CE image for the N90019:53
Sage_vgrade: what about CONFIG_CGROUP_DEVICE and CONFIG_CGROUP_FREEZER?19:53
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vgradeSage, will check my kernel options19:56
lbtnot sure why we'd use freezer19:57
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vgradecrevetor, you will need a new image I think to include stock fbdev driver.19:58
crevetorvgrade: the one included is only for omap ?19:59
Sage_vgrade: also there is alot of other cgroup options as well19:59
vgradeI think omap has its own fbdev driver, Sage_, Stskeeps19:59
Sage_vgrade: http://pastie.org/279519619:59
Sage_fbdev-sgx yes20:00
crevetorAha interresting stuff. So I might be able to get X running with the generic fbdev driver then20:01
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vgradecrevetor, you need xorg-x11-drv-fbdev20:02
crevetorthis one right ? https://build.meego.com/package/files?package=xorg-x11-drv-fbdev&project=Trunk20:02
Sage_crevetor: yes, but without hardware acceleration20:02
crevetorSage_: I'll live with that for right now20:03
crevetorvgrade: I saw that on the wiki page for the nexus port you were talking about the lib*GL* libraries20:03
crevetorvgrade: how would that work ? You would use the regular fbdev driver with those libs ?20:04
vgradeSage_, http://pastie.org/279522320:05
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vgradecrevetor, no, there is a MSM Xorg driver x86-video-msm. But see notes here http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#code_Aurora_x86-video-msm20:07
vgradeSo even if you could get that working it would only give you some linited acceleration20:08
crevetorvgrade: I was talking about this part : http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#libEGL_and_libGLESv220:08
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crevetorvgrade: cause it seems that the webos GL libs aren't linked against the bionic libc20:08
Stskeepsyou know..20:09
Stskeepsqt has a webos port20:09
Stskeepsmaybe you can investigate how they composite?20:09
crevetorI saw a libQtGL.so (or something like that)20:09
crevetorI'm really not an expert in all that graphical part so any pointers would be greatly appreciated20:10
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vgradecrevetor, I think you would need an Xorg driver as well as the GLES/EGL libs as I understand it. But like you am a pure beginner on gfx20:11
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vgradeQualcomm are now selling a dev board dragonboard I think its called and were pushing it at LinuxCon last week20:19
Sage_vgrade: can you paste your whole .config to pastie?20:19
Sage_vgrade: or show a link to it20:19
vgradeis the trimslice one, sec for Pi20:21
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vgradehttp://pastie.org/2795311 , Raspberry Pi20:23
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Sage_ah, finally got it to build again :)20:23
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vgradeI was talking to the Qualcomm kernel guy and asked about non bionic EGL/GLES drivers and he said he had not even thought about that.  I think they focussing on Andriod.20:25
vgradeSage_, should I add CONFIG_FANOTIFY=y to the list20:27
Sage_I have no idea.20:28
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Sage_recommended by systemd though20:28
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Sage_Linux localhost.localdomain 3.1.0 #1 SMP Tue Nov 1 20:27:37 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux20:32
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Stskeepswoo \o/20:33
Sage_ok, time to continue later.20:33
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Sage_anyway pandaboots to mer image with only one modification to fs (copy pre compiled x-loader) after mic.20:34
Stskeepssee you tomorrow20:37
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Stskeepsprogress: http://pastie.org/279544720:55
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vgradeSage_, nice one21:00
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