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| enoch | what devices does mer supports? | 01:23 |
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| wmarone_ | mer does not explicitly support a device, though it is currently running on x86 and ARM devices of various shapes and sizes | 01:24 |
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| enoch | mhhh, does it run on htc tattoo/click? | 01:25 |
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| cxl000 | lbt I've a a couple of small X utilities sitting in build for several hours. I managed to load the build log and it was for some other package. | 02:56 |
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| cxl000 | disabling/reenabling it stopped/started the build and it ran to completion | 03:59 |
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| iekku | morning | 05:42 |
| dm8tbr | mrnng | 05:42 |
| cxl000 | morning | 05:46 |
| Ronksu | morning | 05:48 |
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| iekku | weekends are too short :x | 05:49 |
| iekku | didn't have time to do anything for mer and nemo :/ | 05:49 |
| iekku | but i made some shopping: new flat :P | 05:50 |
| dm8tbr | I at least found some time to set up the devaamo mailing lists | 05:50 |
| dm8tbr | congrats | 05:50 |
| dm8tbr | is it that one south of T:re? | 05:50 |
| iekku | yes, moving to valkeakoski. we will hear today if we can get the flat before the last weekend of nov | 05:51 |
| dm8tbr | ah | 05:53 |
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| cxl000 | morning | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | morn veskuh | 07:26 |
| veskuh | Good morning, Stskeeps | 07:26 |
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| alterego | Morning! | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | morn alterego | 08:08 |
| * alterego is sitting at new office work area in new place :) | 08:09 | |
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| Stskeeps | :) | 08:09 |
| alterego | I spent last night organising all my paper work :) | 08:09 |
| alterego | Today my NAS and N9 should arrive :D | 08:09 |
| * alterego puts his parcel tracking pages on auto refresh. muahaha | 08:11 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:11 |
| alterego | Don't get the internet for two weeks though :/ | 08:11 |
| alterego | Well, outside of tethering to my phone. | 08:11 |
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| Stskeeps | it's immense fun to look at osc's code and figure out how to import a package from git into it | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | (not) | 08:28 |
| iekku | could someone give me 28h days? | 08:28 |
| mdfe_ | *g* | 08:29 |
| Sage_ | morning | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | i would trade my brains for some more hours of sleep | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | morn Sage_ | 08:29 |
| mdfe_ | morning | 08:29 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, you don't have my brains? haven't seen them for a while | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: how close are we to N950 images? | 08:30 |
| Sage_ | Quite close I would say | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | i submitted updated SGX-n900 drivers yesterday so i'd like to check if they work on N950 too, hence the question | 08:31 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: 5 packages to go for N950 AFAIK | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | another thing - we probably need to drag in policy framework, didn't see it in middleware anywhere | 08:33 |
| Sage_ | yes, that is one missing part | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:33 |
| Sage_ | We have the UI up some things will come a bit later ;) | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | realistic to make the first Mer phonecall this week you think? | 08:34 |
| Sage_ | Yes | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | k | 08:36 |
| Sage_ | I would say realistic to do it today, but if it is fine end of the week I'm fine with that deadline as well ;) | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | think n950 today or tomorrow is realistic, then we can work towards phonecall rest of week | 08:37 |
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| Stskeeps | and other useful things | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | let me know what i can help test | 08:37 |
| Sage_ | sure, would be nice if someone could point out the current missing parts from the last weeks Nemo image. Anythign else than policyframework missing? | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | dialer? | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh had a quite nice list | 08:38 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: it's not listing missing apps, but I can do that also | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | / functionality | 08:39 |
| veskuh | Yep, I can check that and add to list | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 08:40 |
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| veskuh | Sage_: Here is the list of issues I noticed on last weeks Nemo http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vesku#Nemo_10-25.1_on_N900 | 08:52 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: ok, thx | 08:52 |
| kyb3R | [shameless promo] related to Mer though: http://blog.ossoil.com/2011/10/31/open-coral-project-community-starting/ | 08:52 |
| xruxa | kyb3R: looks like no-one is waiting for Tizen to grow up ;) | 08:55 |
| kyb3R | xruxa :) | 08:55 |
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| Jucato | s/grow up/born/ :) | 08:58 |
| Sage_ | I'm still getting the BOSS mails twice :/ | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | morn smoku | 09:04 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: so what is the current plan for common N900/N950/N9 components. Shall we merge all packages under single repo or do one common repo for both? | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | one common repo, and then N950/N9 repos for the specialised stuff | 09:06 |
| Sage_ | ok | 09:06 |
| Sage_ | What would that be called? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | N9xx? | 09:07 |
| Sage_ | N9xx-common ? | 09:07 |
| Sage_ | In my opinion common or some other specificiation would be nice otherwise it is easy to think that that repo contains everything needed. | 09:07 |
| Sage_ | But I'm fine with N9xx as well | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | common it is | 09:08 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: morning | 09:08 |
| lbt | morning | 09:08 |
| lbt | I may be afk for a bit ... local ldap/kerberos issues | 09:09 |
| Sage_ | lbt: we need one new project CE:Adaptation:N9xx-common, can I just do it and you do the BOSS stuff later? | 09:09 |
| lbt | we can do it at the same time | 09:10 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: ping, remember the FOSDEM abstract :-) | 09:10 |
| smoku | morn' guys | 09:11 |
| lbt | o/ smoku | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: yeah, i know - my father in law passed away last night so things are a bit hectic around here, it's on my list for tomorrow | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: on the top of my mail pile, too | 09:11 |
| dm8tbr | condolences :( | 09:11 |
| Sage_ | alterego: ping, what is the status of meego-handset-dialer and removing the tracker dependency? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: what's the definition of a devroom again? a classroom style thing/non-auditorium? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not that well versed in FOSDEM) | 09:12 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 09:13 |
| dm8tbr | they come in differnt sizes and in different buildings | 09:13 |
| dm8tbr | embedded is usually in that smaller building | 09:13 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: yeah, I think a room with some tables and chairs | 09:13 |
| dm8tbr | most of the time you'll have discussions, presentations, workshops in there | 09:13 |
| lbt | Sage_: OK BOSS is setup | 09:14 |
| dm8tbr | at least that was my impression | 09:14 |
| lbt | you need to just ensure that it has the correct access rights | 09:14 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: ok, just submitted the prj as well | 09:14 |
| Sage_ | lbt: btw, I'm still getting the commit mails twice, one from the ML and other straight. | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: sounds good | 09:15 |
| lbt | Sage_: which commit? most are setup to only mail nemo-commits | 09:16 |
| Sage_ | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AMW%3AShared%3ATrial%3ASR2859 <- build ok, but still rejected? | 09:16 |
| Sage_ | lbt: CE:Adaptation:N900, (SR 2706), CE:UX:MTF (SR 2708) | 09:16 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2859 | 09:16 |
| lbt | "During the trial build in CE:MW:Shared:Trial:SR2859, ohm failed to build for one of the archs : armv8el" | 09:16 |
| Sage_ | lbt: yes, but https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv8el=1&defaults=0&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared%3ATrial%3ASR2859&repo_Mer_Core_armv7hl=1&succeeded=1 | 09:17 |
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| lbt | Sage_: my machine is a mess - can't see the browser properly... see https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=CE:MW:Shared:Trial:SR2859# | 09:17 |
| lbt | is that saying succeeded ? | 09:18 |
| Sage_ | yes it is | 09:18 |
| lbt | this could be a 2.3 issue | 09:20 |
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| lbt | Sage_: OK - I'll look at that in a few mins | 09:21 |
| Sage_ | lbt: if I do copypac for package to project under BOSS, will that break something? | 09:22 |
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| lbt | it won't help | 09:23 |
| lbt | is it that urgent? | 09:23 |
| Sage_ | I don't mean this case. I just want to move packages from CE:X to CE:Y | 09:24 |
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| Sage_ | and doing it by the normal request way seems a bit too much as they have already passed the review proecesses | 09:24 |
| lbt | OK - gothcha | 09:24 |
| Sage_ | So I could just osc copypac CE:Adaptation:N900 ti-omap3-sgx CE:Adaptation:N9xx-common and then rdelete the one from :N900,right? | 09:25 |
| lbt | yeah | 09:25 |
| Sage_ | ok | 09:25 |
| lbt | bear in mind that if you do that | 09:25 |
| lbt | you break any guarantee that the others will build | 09:26 |
| lbt | so in the general case this is something we should validate | 09:26 |
| lbt | but not today :D | 09:26 |
| Sage_ | sure, but "I know what I'm doing" (tm) :) | 09:26 |
| lbt | exactly | 09:26 |
| lbt | just kinda thinking 3 months down the line | 09:26 |
| lbt | it's probably rare enough that we don't care | 09:27 |
| Sage_ | just wanted to ask that BOSS won't run away :) | 09:27 |
| lbt | no... that won't bother it | 09:27 |
| Sage_ | ok | 09:27 |
| lbt | copypac whilst an SR is in progress may be confusing :) | 09:27 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ti-omap3-sgx, dsme, pulseaudio-modules-n900 (yes need to rename this), pulseaudio-modules-nokia, xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx <- anything else? | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds about right | 09:32 |
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| alterego | Sage_: not sure, I'll check tomorrow, unless it's urgent? | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: btw potential hole in CE process.. does it validate all packages when there's multiple .spec files in a package? | 10:07 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: multiple spec files? ...... which kinda answers that question | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: perfectly legit obs trick | 10:16 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common | 10:21 |
| Sage_ | ah, gst-nokia-camera is common now as well | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok cool | 10:22 |
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| Sage_ | we probably should change the username to nemo instead of meego on our images? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, probably | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | should weed out issues | 10:23 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 10:23 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: so the ti-omap3-sgx from N900 adaptation should work on N950 as well now? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | if you accepted my SR from yesterday i hope so | 10:26 |
| Sage_ | lbt: did that AFAIK | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:26 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: ohm was accepted so maybe a race condition at the first time. | 10:30 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: it might be this scenario : ohm built in trial , it waited for target project to build , target project built something that caused ohm to rebuild , target project finished building and published , process found ohm building | 10:31 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: something we might need to consider to be added to mer core is prolog stuff for compiling the policy stuff | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl ~1h | 10:43 |
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| Sage_ | is gst-omapfb for both N900 and N950? | 11:01 |
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| lbt | phaeron: that sounds like a good explanation | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes | 11:25 |
| Sage_ | ok | 11:25 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: what is gst-dsp package in N950 ? | 11:29 |
| Sage_ | and is that needed? | 11:29 |
| Sage_ | <version epoch="0" ver="11" rel="38.5" /> <- the method for adding version information to patterns | 11:33 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: if you (or someone else) have time it might be nice to test how that work. | 11:34 |
| Sage_ | and if zypper can even use that information properly | 11:35 |
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| Sage_ | araujo: you managed to get the SR done after a while :) | 11:36 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: created a new image that didn't even boot to UX :P | 11:43 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: did you try the sgx upgrade on your own device? | 11:43 |
| Sage_ | ... pah, my bad probably | 11:45 |
| Sage_ | lbt: btw, we have lost quite a lot of workers in cobs, is that known? | 11:46 |
| lbt | no | 11:47 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2787611 | 12:14 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Qt on Project:KDE:Mer_Extras is updated to 4.8.0~rc1, it would be really nice to drop me a line if the same version is available in Mer Core :) | 12:23 |
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| mdfe_ | s/if/when/g | 12:26 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: apparently something in the sgx upgrade didn't go well | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: ok, rpm -ql | grep ti-omap3-sgx | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | err | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qa | 12:31 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2787687 | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | looks correct | 12:33 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | n900 right? | 12:33 |
| Sage_ | yes | 12:33 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 12:34 | |
| Stskeeps | i made a test image with exactly those yesterday, wonder what blew up | 12:34 |
| Sage_ | it still requires setuid ? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | i don't immediately see anything wrong | 12:35 |
| Sage_ | right? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qa | grep setuid | 12:35 |
| Sage_ | xorg-x11-server-Xorg-setuid-1.10.1-1.7.armv7hl | 12:36 |
| Sage_ | I made patch to fbdev that changed the requirement to setuid | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | o | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | it should be yes | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg ? | 12:36 |
| Sage_ | -rws--x--x 1 root root 1642628 Oct 19 2011 /usr/bin/Xorg | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 12:37 |
| Sage_ | Xorg is running just apps fail to get the GL | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | i had it up and running with proper desktop at least.. lemme just locate it | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: what is the latest video you posted? | 12:39 |
| Jucato | qt media hub I think | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | no, another one after that, calligra related | 12:39 |
| Jucato | ooh | 12:40 |
| * Jucato subscribes to his channel | 12:40 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: that's funny, my working image doesn't have setuid installed | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | erm.. hmm | 12:42 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: so it doesn't need that anymore? | 12:43 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, thats the newsreader application on plasma, rss feeds, builtin webkit browser | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i think we do.. i wonder what on earth is going on | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: can you verify rpm -q --changelog xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx == 245 ? | 12:46 |
| Sage_ | already did and it is | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | upload image somewhere? | 12:47 |
| Sage_ | a moment | 12:47 |
| Sage_ | need to compress it first a bit :) | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:49 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I really hope it is just a typo in my .ks file or package group or something that it doesn't boot atm. :/ | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm a bit baffled too | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | writing image atm | 13:12 |
| Sage_ | Active: active (exited) since Thu, 01 Jan 1970 02:00:22 +0200; 41 years and 3 months ago | 13:12 |
| Sage_ | ^ :D | 13:12 |
| Sage_ | at least the sgx driver has been started during the boot properly | 13:13 |
| Sage_ | or the script that | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: try with a revert of your patch to what i submitted originally and make new image? | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | at least it crashes on my device too | 13:18 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: removed setuid Xorg and installed normal. Now rebooting | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:26 |
| Sage_ | that my patch was only to packaging so this should fix it if that made a difference | 13:26 |
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| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/2787932 <- ok, wasn't that | 13:28 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/2787940 <- the Xorg log | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | try chmod +x /usr/bin/Xorg now | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | er | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | s | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | chmod +s | 13:29 |
| Sage_ | if that works the Xorg packaging is really screwed | 13:29 |
| Sage_ | rebooting | 13:30 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: now the same problem than with -setuid package | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | o | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | wtf :P | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 13:34 |
| Sage_ | forgot to apply a patch? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'm doing osc rdiff CE:Adaptation:N900 kernel-adaptation-n900 | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | and it shows me stuff i already added | 13:37 |
| Sage_ | o_0 | 13:38 |
| Sage_ | you did one single SR with multiple packages? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | no | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | multiple SR's | 13:38 |
| Sage_ | ok | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | prelink or non-prelink? | 13:39 |
| Sage_ | non-prelink | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | same here | 13:40 |
| Sage_ | haven't fixed my prelink check yet for qemu 0.15 :P | 13:40 |
| Sage_ | that could be removed probably already as all of our machines are using at lest qemu 0.14 now | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/pastes/2788007/text was my .ks | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | of course repos are gone now.. | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | please note the excludepkgs | 13:42 |
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| Sage_ | shouldn't be different :/ | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm a bit baffled too | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | could we try the revert just to get that out of the picture? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | the xorg packaging is really fucked | 13:49 |
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| Sage_ | hmmp. | 13:51 |
| Sage_ | I'm just wondering what to revert :D | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | well, anything you changed from my packages :P | 13:52 |
| Sage_ | I moved stuff to N9xx-common already | 13:52 |
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| Sage_ | well it is only that one line that I changed :P | 13:52 |
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| Sage_ | could you make an image with a bit different repos, just to try out? | 13:52 |
| Sage_ | it could be just my setup | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | give me a .ks, i guess? | 13:53 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/2788068 | 13:53 |
| Sage_ | I give only those so you try with only those changes :) | 13:53 |
| Sage_ | one thing I changed is the meego->nemo user btw. | 13:54 |
| Sage_ | maybe something didn't like that. | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | making image | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | that might make a difference.. | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | i've seen errors when user != meego | 13:55 |
| Sage_ | yes, but where is the another question :) | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 13:55 |
| Sage_ | Added meego user and rebooted | 13:56 |
| Sage_ | lets see if that helps | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | remember to have uxlaunch point to meego user too | 13:56 |
| Sage_ | it doesn't have that anymore AFAIK | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | what user does it boot then..? | 13:57 |
| Sage_ | # user=<autodetect> | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | errm | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:57 |
| Sage_ | I have no idea how that is done though :D | 13:57 |
| Sage_ | setting manually to meego now | 13:58 |
| Sage_ | ah, looks better that way | 14:00 |
| Sage_ | MInputContext: unable to create D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/meego-im-uiserver/imserver_dbus: Connection refused | 14:00 |
| Sage_ | now getting only that | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 14:00 |
| Sage_ | so meego user is probably the cause. I need to do new image with meego user | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:01 |
| jonnor_work | Sage_, typical reason is that the server is not started | 14:02 |
| Sage_ | jonnor_work: well, the thing is that we can't keep socket in /tmp | 14:02 |
| jonnor_work | Sage_, other typical reasons include wrong permissions (especially due to server and applications running as different users) | 14:03 |
| jonnor_work | Sage_, yes, it is totally wrong what we do there :( | 14:03 |
| jonnor_work | Sage_, patch for changing it to /var/run/maliit-server very welcomed | 14:03 |
| Sage_ | jonnor_work: we can't do /var/run either | 14:04 |
| jonnor_work | or whatever is appropriate per LSB/FSH | 14:04 |
| Sage_ | jonnor_work: /home/${USER}/.imserver_dbus | 14:04 |
| jonnor_work | oh, user directory. might want to check the standard proposed by the systemd guys then | 14:05 |
| Sage_ | jonnor_work: well, the meego-im-uiserver is executed as user so user's home dir is the best option in my opinion. | 14:06 |
| Sage_ | /var/run/${USER}/ might be also option but not sure. | 14:06 |
| jonnor_work | Sage_, agreed | 14:06 |
| Sage_ | anyway /var/run as such or /tmp are no no. | 14:06 |
| jonnor_work | Sage_, what we want to do longer term is to have a service on the session bus, and pass the socket at input context activation time | 14:07 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: booted fine with user meego | 14:21 |
| Sage_ | so we have some hardcoded usernames somewhere | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | pl | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:25 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: what is gst-dsp package? And why it is needed for N950? And where does it come from? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | gst-dsp is needed for DSP accelerated codecs | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly we've never really used it except in in-house experiments | 14:27 |
| Sage_ | password can be meego btw, but the username needs to be meego | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:28 |
| Sage_ | password can be nemo* | 14:28 |
| Sage_ | ok, so we probably don't need gst-dsp package | 14:28 |
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| Sage_ | disabling for now | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl | 14:56 |
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| Sage_ | btw, anyone know if I should buy my class 10 card for N900 branded by kingston or transcend? | 15:15 |
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| ighea | kingston | 15:16 |
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| KaziKluBey | Sage: My kingston class 10 16gb behaves strangely with meego and nemo(mer), might be a faulty unit though. | 15:38 |
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| Sage_ | I was going to buy 8G card only :) | 15:42 |
| Sage_ | 16G have had problems before :) | 15:42 |
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| KaziKluBey | When I put a mer/meego image on my card is it using all of the 16gb? I thinking of if it was possible to only use 8gb on it. Could that make a difference you think? | 15:58 |
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| ighea | Sage_: make sure you buy the genuine stuff and not some clone shit :( | 16:03 |
| ighea | cheap kingston stuff just does not exist | 16:03 |
| KaziKluBey | mine was rather cheap...:( | 16:04 |
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| ighea | from ebay? | 16:05 |
| Sage_ | ighea: well I go to local store and getting one from there. | 16:06 |
| Sage_ | g8 | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | isn't kingston the definition of cheap? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: the transcend i have is fairly okay | 16:06 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: btw, I'm planing of doing a clean kernel packaging with yaml and spec file only for panda kernel during this week :) | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | i will not be held responsible for the amount of hair you have to rip out of your head ;) | 16:08 |
| Sage_ | make[1]: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found ? | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good start | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | make CROSS_COMPILE= zImage | 16:09 |
| Sage_ | this is not kernel ;) | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | that's, erm, worse | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | what complains about that? | 16:11 |
| Sage_ | I'm compiling x-loader so might be fixed with that | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:12 |
| Sage_ | the .spec file was closely kernel related | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:12 |
| Sage_ | Just wanted to get rid of the ****** mess | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 16:12 |
| Sage_ | \o/ | 16:12 |
| Sage_ | printf.c:290:7: error: variable 'i' set but not used [-Werror=unused-but-set-variable] | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | still try to have something that enables a shared amount of kernel options | 16:12 |
| Sage_ | ok, so now only Makefile things | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | even installed through kernel-headers | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | so kernel options follow what userland is built for | 16:13 |
| araujo | (late) morning | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | morn araujo | 16:16 |
| araujo | hi Stskeeps o/ | 16:16 |
| araujo | now you talk about SD cards .... do we need a UHS-II card for latest 1.3 images??? | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | araujo: because mer is retro (started in 2008), you will have to manually boot the system with 5 1/4 floppy disks | 16:17 |
| araujo | heheheheheh | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | god, that was the days.. | 16:17 |
| * araujo remembers booting linux from those called "floppy" things..... | 16:18 | |
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| berndhs | the 5.25 were too stiff. The 8" disks now, those were flexible | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, me too .. i recall the horror when the debian disks had i/o error on them | 16:20 |
| araujo | hahah | 16:21 |
| Sage_ | Error: failed to create image : Failed to find package 'xorg-x11-drv-mtev' : No package(s) available to install | 16:23 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ^ N950 requires that? | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, think so | 16:24 |
| araujo | yup, those were the days | 16:24 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2788806 <- what shold I remove in addition to msoft-float | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | looks okay, i think | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | didn't the pandaboard guys patch this? | 16:29 |
| Sage_ | probably but I took the latest upstream | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, in their old packaging | 16:29 |
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| odin_ | the mer mailing-list robot has anti-SPAM protection and doesn't appear to like empty email with only "subscribe" in the body (as per instructions to signup) | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: ^ | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: what mail did you send to? | 16:46 |
| odin_ | mer-general+subscribe@lists.merproject.org | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:46 |
| odin_ | ->> 550 This message looks a lot like SPAM. Please rephrase your post. | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: could you edit the wiki page? | 16:48 |
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| odin_ | do I use meego.com login or all new logins ? | 16:52 |
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| Stskeeps | all new logins | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | we can't legally use meego.com login | 16:53 |
| odin_ | (legally) fine by me, haha | 16:54 |
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| berndhs | oh good, I don't have to use my meego.com name :) | 16:55 |
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| Velmont | Wow, hilight galore on Odin. :-) | 17:05 |
| odin_ | ok wiki edited | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | than | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | ks | 17:19 |
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| gprade | hello, i read just https://meego.com/about/governance and i dont understand what the problem is to take the control over meego and get the leadership, when meegos governance is based on meritocracy, then you can kick Imad Sousou and Valtteri Halla from the leaderchair and take over the leadership of meego, why do you did not do this and create then mer? | 17:36 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: btw, they patched u-boot for meego not x-loader | 17:40 |
| gprade | heelo? | 17:43 |
| gprade | hello | 17:43 |
| gprade | ? | 17:43 |
| smoku | gprade: Catch 22 | 17:44 |
| smoku | gprade: https://meego.com/about/trademark | 17:44 |
| lbt | gprade: MeeGo is essentially 'owned' by the current leaders/owners. We've asked them about how we can collaborate and we expect to make an announcement soon. | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: interesting | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: the other question is if the meego brand has any kind of value at the moment and if it's worth the strings and trouble related to it.. | 17:46 |
| gprade | but if you smoku or Stskeeps would have the leadership ....? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: i've personally given up on it as there's too much trouble involved and i'd rather use my strength on productive things like improving mer core :) | 17:47 |
| smoku | +1 | 17:48 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: or well, maybe they did but the patches are not working in the upstream I took | 17:48 |
| smoku | and it's easier to fly not being tied to LF politics | 17:48 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: also I like the Mer logo better :) | 17:48 |
| gprade | but the howl infrastructur of meego? now you must build all this new | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: by limiting our scope we also limit how much we really need to set up | 17:49 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: BTW I checked and webos doesn't use Xorg :( So I guess you're right about using LLVMPipe | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: some of us have a lot of experience in those friends so | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | er, fields | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | gprade: also.. it's one thing what they say on the page, another thing is reality | 17:51 |
| gprade | but the howl meego developers? now you must say to all of them that mer is e better succesor then tizen, i am afraid that you not get enough developers, meego had so many | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: how many did you think it had? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity | 17:52 |
| gprade | in the presentations they talk (nokia/intel people) alot about the have a so big community, where are these developers now? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: qt developers aren't really going away :) | 17:52 |
| gprade | they talking about hundrets i think, must first search the videos | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: i have a interesting statistic.. sec | 17:53 |
| gprade | but i thought they mean core-developers, what about the frameworks you will need for mer? | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: qt still is being developed | 17:54 |
| gprade | maybe the syncevolution developer | 17:54 |
| crevetor | I don't think meego itself had more than 20 community devs | 17:54 |
| gprade | i thout he was in the team from intel and worked on syncing for meego | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: syncevolution is being developed too | 17:54 |
| crevetor | The rest of them were paid by Intel and Nokia | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: http://pastie.org/2770139 is a statistic on how many times each package in mer core was touched when it was in MeeGo | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: keep in mind that most stuff is active projects outside meego | 17:55 |
| gprade | how many do you know worked on meego at intel and nokia? | 17:55 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: harmattan doesn't have mtev btw | 17:55 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: or at least it is not in the repos | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: fairly sure it uses it | 17:55 |
| Sage_ | ok, well repo not valid then probably | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: the more interesting question is how many people worked straight on the upstream project | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | and how many did basic packaging | 17:57 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: that's very useful | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: which? | 17:57 |
| lbt | pastie | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | i had to confirm a suspicion | 17:57 |
| gprade | sorry, i dont know what a upstream is, i know only bugs and see alot on meego | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: ok, so, you know what packaging is? | 17:58 |
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| gprade | yes, a little bit | 17:58 |
| gprade | but not much | 17:58 |
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| gprade | compile sourcecode and put it in deb/rpm | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: ok, so, packaging is basically a recipe to build software.. you take a sourcecode, this is called upstream - ie, the project we're packaging | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | and then you build it to a deb/rpm | 17:59 |
| gprade | ok | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: upstream is basically "where do we get our sources from" | 17:59 |
| gprade | but when you will be finished with packaging then comes the bugs | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | right | 18:00 |
| berndhs | some of the upstream<->Meego divisions aren't all that clear | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | so that's where something called triaging comes in | 18:00 |
| berndhs | if you take say, connman | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | when you report a bug and we can explore it's not directly related to something caused by our packaging, we can send it to the project that delivers the source code | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | and help them fix the problem there | 18:00 |
| gprade | ok, then you dont need to write new software for mer? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: we do need to do some things but in practice, a lot of it is packaging what exists and put it together | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, we're not writing a big UI :) | 18:02 |
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| niqt | what do you think of http://jussbuzz.com/ubuntu-12-10-is-for-pc-tv-smartphones-and-tablets ? | 18:04 |
| gprade | ok, sorry if i am too fast/angry, but i dont like companys say they help, and then a small community cant do their jobs because they have not enough money or people, they do it in freetime, so when they say it is opne source, i dont like it to say "ok, thats all folks, now it die" | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | niqt: i'm a little worried they're saying the time is now for tablets/smartphones/etc.. i think we're actually beyond those by now | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: no problem, just trying to explain :) | 18:05 |
| gprade | how many are you at mer at the moment? | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | small crowd working on various parts of the system | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | it's always difficult to quantify in the start | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | many are the same people who worked on meego | 18:07 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2789308 | 18:07 |
| gprade | ok, i think the best i could do is to translate from englisch to german, if you need, ask me | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: urgh.. | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: :nod: or other things | 18:08 |
| niqt | Stskeeps: i don't well understand what you think | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | niqt: OK, so, it's a little late to the game to talk about smartphones, tablets, STBs, etc | 18:09 |
| gprade | i dont know, i can not good drawing for icons or other grafics, or i cant do good marketing or ..., or, ... | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: testing, perhaps | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: we all started out as newbies | 18:10 |
| niqt | ah, ok, i agree | 18:10 |
| gprade | but how, i have no phone yet, the n9 is at the moment to expensive for me | 18:10 |
| gprade | how can i help testing? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | gprade: got virtualbox or qemu? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | or vmware, etc | 18:10 |
| gprade | virtualbox i could use, quemo not, i have a pentium d 805 without virtualisationstuff | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:11 |
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| gprade | what should i do to test with virtualbox, where i get a image and what are the parts i have to test/check, any checklist out there? | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | gprade: so, we're not exactly there just yet :) | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | in practice, most people will start out with software based upon mer, like http://t.co/jcRk5XGz , etc | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | and test that, then go deeper | 18:15 |
| gprade | ok, if you have something i can use inside of virtuelbox, or what should translated to germany, ask me if you want (gerhard.prade@googlemail.com), i will try to install quemo without virtustuff of my cpu | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | ieatlint: any news on Taku sources? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | ieatlint: got a morbid curiousity | 18:16 |
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| gprade | ok, i see that, very, very, very cool, i want have it in my vw golf iv :-D | 18:16 |
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| gprade | ok, must go now, virtualbox and qemu are installed now, now i must configure it and then i can test if you want | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to go get a warm cup of tea and try to get fresh for tomorrow :P | 18:23 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: any ideas about those? | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: not off hand sorry | 19:07 |
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| Sage_ | Failed to build transaction : wl1271-cal-bin-0.43-1.1.armv7hl requires libsysfs.so.2 | 19:08 |
| Sage_ | bme-rm-680-bin-0.9.95-1.1.armv7hl requires libcreds.so.3 | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | wtf :P | 19:08 |
| Sage_ | grr | 19:08 |
| Sage_ | who build those :D | 19:08 |
| Sage_ | or bme to be more specific | 19:08 |
| * Sage_ is still trying to build n950 image :P | 19:09 | |
| Sage_ | atm. I don't have access to internal builds, but that doesn't sound right with bme. | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | it sounds like bad dependancies / harmattan leftover | 19:11 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: any change you could look at that tomorrow for example? I'll be at our corporate network on wednesday next time. | 19:11 |
| Sage_ | libcreds, requires libsmack etc. So I really wouldn't want to go that path. | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i can do that | 19:12 |
| * Stskeeps grabs posti | 19:12 | |
| Sage_ | that libsysfs dependency sounds about rigth though. So I'll check that myself | 19:13 |
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| Sage_ | eh, meego sysfsutils 2.1.0 and upstream 2.4.2 :P | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 19:15 |
| * Sage_ is temted to update | 19:15 | |
| Stskeeps | go ahead | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | i guess :P | 19:16 |
| Sage_ | ah, nm. I looked wrong version | 19:16 |
| Sage_ | 2.1.0 is the latest | 19:16 |
| Sage_ | so just fixing the packaging | 19:16 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: btw, might be a good to update our N950 bme as well while at it if that seems easy | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:18 |
| Sage_ | our current version 0.9.95 and in my N9 1.0.10 | 19:18 |
| Sage_ | N950 binary blobs might be lacking behind in general as well. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:19 |
| Sage_ | Now when the N9 target is closing would be nice to sync those as well. | 19:20 |
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| vgrade | looks at http://razor-qt.org/ | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | intruiging | 19:21 |
| vgrade | I might give it a go, opensuse has packaging | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:21 |
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| ieatlint | Stskeeps: taku was demoed at dev days last week | 20:24 |
| ieatlint | i'm having a meeting about it tomorrow | 20:24 |
| ieatlint | don't know what the specific plans are... i know it will be demoed again at dev days in sf | 20:24 |
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| ieatlint | and the plan is to have it out before the raspberry pi boards are shipping | 20:25 |
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| * Sage_ got pandaboard kernel to compile | 20:45 | |
| Sage_ | I really wonder why the packaging is so complicated atm. :) | 20:45 |
| Sage_ | in my packaging the compile starts with 3 commands :P | 20:45 |
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| Sage_ | and yes there might be much more to do, but so far so good | 20:49 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ok, got the x-loader now to the same error on both armv7hl and armv7el :/ | 21:11 |
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