Monday, 2011-10-31

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enochwhat devices does mer supports?01:23
wmarone_mer does not explicitly support a device, though it is currently running on x86 and ARM devices of various shapes and sizes01:24
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enochmhhh, does it run on htc tattoo/click?01:25
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cxl000     lbt I've a a couple of small X utilities sitting in build for several hours. I managed to load the build log and it was for some other package.02:56
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cxl000disabling/reenabling it stopped/started the build and it ran to completion03:59
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iekkumorning05:42
dm8tbrmrnng05:42
cxl000morning05:46
Ronksumorning05:48
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iekkuweekends are too short :x05:49
iekkudidn't have time to do anything for mer and nemo :/05:49
iekkubut i made some shopping: new flat :P05:50
dm8tbrI at least found some time to set up the devaamo mailing lists05:50
dm8tbrcongrats05:50
dm8tbris it that one south of T:re?05:50
iekkuyes, moving to valkeakoski. we will hear today if we can get the flat before the last weekend of nov05:51
dm8tbrah05:53
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vgrademorning07:07
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cxl000morning07:10
Stskeepsmorn07:11
Jucatocoffee07:18
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Stskeepsmorn veskuh07:26
veskuhGood morning, Stskeeps07:26
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alteregoMorning!08:08
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Stskeepsmorn alterego08:08
* alterego is sitting at new office work area in new place :)08:09
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Stskeeps:)08:09
alteregoI spent last night organising all my paper work :)08:09
alteregoToday my NAS and N9 should arrive :D08:09
* alterego puts his parcel tracking pages on auto refresh. muahaha08:11
Stskeepshehe08:11
alteregoDon't get the internet for two weeks though :/08:11
alteregoWell, outside of tethering to my phone.08:11
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Stskeepsit's immense fun to look at osc's code and figure out how to import a package from git into it08:28
Stskeeps(not)08:28
iekkucould someone give me 28h days?08:28
mdfe_*g*08:29
Sage_morning08:29
Stskeepsi would trade my brains for some more hours of sleep08:29
Stskeepsmorn Sage_08:29
mdfe_morning08:29
iekkuStskeeps, you don't have my brains? haven't seen them for a while08:29
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StskeepsSage_: how close are we to N950 images?08:30
Sage_Quite close I would say08:30
Stskeepsok08:30
Stskeepsi submitted updated SGX-n900 drivers yesterday so i'd like to check if they work on N950 too, hence the question08:31
Sage_Stskeeps: 5 packages to go for N950 AFAIK08:32
Stskeepsok08:32
Stskeepsanother thing - we probably need to drag in policy framework, didn't see it in middleware anywhere08:33
Sage_yes, that is one missing part08:33
Stskeepsok08:33
Sage_We have the UI up some things will come a bit later ;)08:33
Stskeeps:nod:08:33
Stskeepsrealistic to make the first Mer phonecall this week you think?08:34
Sage_Yes08:35
Stskeepsk08:36
Sage_I would say realistic to do it today, but if it is fine end of the week I'm fine with that deadline as well ;)08:36
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Stskeepsthink n950 today or tomorrow is realistic, then we can work towards phonecall rest of week08:37
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Stskeepsand other useful things08:37
Stskeepslet me know what i can help test08:37
Sage_sure, would be nice if someone could point out the current missing parts from the last weeks Nemo image. Anythign else than policyframework missing?08:38
Stskeepsdialer?08:38
Stskeepsveskuh had a quite nice list08:38
veskuhStskeeps: it's not listing missing apps, but I can do that also08:39
Stskeepsok08:39
Stskeeps / functionality08:39
veskuhYep, I can check that and add to list08:40
Stskeepsthanks08:40
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veskuhSage_:  Here is the list of issues I noticed on last weeks Nemo http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vesku#Nemo_10-25.1_on_N90008:52
Sage_veskuh: ok, thx08:52
kyb3R[shameless promo] related to Mer though: http://blog.ossoil.com/2011/10/31/open-coral-project-community-starting/08:52
xruxakyb3R: looks like no-one is waiting for Tizen to grow up ;)08:55
kyb3Rxruxa :)08:55
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Jucatos/grow up/born/ :)08:58
Sage_I'm still getting the BOSS mails twice :/08:59
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Stskeepsmorn smoku09:04
Sage_Stskeeps: so what is the current plan for common N900/N950/N9 components. Shall we merge all packages under single repo or do one common repo for both?09:05
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Stskeepsone common repo, and then N950/N9 repos for the specialised stuff09:06
Sage_ok09:06
Sage_What would that be called?09:06
StskeepsN9xx?09:07
Sage_N9xx-common ?09:07
Sage_In my opinion common or some other specificiation would be nice otherwise it is easy to think that that repo contains everything needed.09:07
Sage_But I'm fine with N9xx as well09:07
Stskeepsyeah, true09:08
Stskeepscommon it is09:08
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Sage_lbt: morning09:08
lbtmorning09:08
lbtI may be afk for a bit ... local ldap/kerberos issues09:09
Sage_lbt: we need one new project CE:Adaptation:N9xx-common, can I just do it and you do the BOSS stuff later?09:09
lbtwe can do it at the same time09:10
bergieStskeeps: ping, remember the FOSDEM abstract :-)09:10
smokumorn' guys09:11
lbto/ smoku09:11
Stskeepsbergie: yeah, i know - my father in law passed away last night so things are a bit hectic around here, it's on my list for tomorrow09:11
Stskeepsbergie: on the top of my mail pile, too09:11
dm8tbrcondolences :(09:11
Sage_alterego: ping, what is the status of meego-handset-dialer and removing the tracker dependency?09:12
Stskeepsbergie: what's the definition of a devroom again? a classroom style thing/non-auditorium?09:12
Stskeeps(i'm not that well versed in FOSDEM)09:12
dm8tbryes09:13
dm8tbrthey come in differnt sizes and in different buildings09:13
dm8tbrembedded is usually in that smaller building09:13
bergieStskeeps: yeah, I think a room with some tables and chairs09:13
dm8tbrmost of the time you'll have discussions, presentations, workshops in there09:13
lbtSage_: OK BOSS is setup09:14
dm8tbrat least that was my impression09:14
lbtyou need to just ensure that it has the correct access rights09:14
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Sage_lbt: ok, just submitted the prj as well09:14
Sage_lbt: btw, I'm still getting the commit mails twice, one from the ML and other straight.09:15
Stskeepsbergie: sounds good09:15
lbtSage_: which commit? most are setup to only mail nemo-commits09:16
Sage_lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AMW%3AShared%3ATrial%3ASR2859 <- build ok, but still rejected?09:16
Sage_lbt: CE:Adaptation:N900, (SR 2706), CE:UX:MTF (SR 2708)09:16
lbthttps://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/285909:16
lbt"During the trial build in CE:MW:Shared:Trial:SR2859, ohm failed to build for one of the archs : armv8el"09:16
Sage_lbt: yes, but https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv8el=1&defaults=0&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared%3ATrial%3ASR2859&repo_Mer_Core_armv7hl=1&succeeded=109:17
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lbtSage_: my machine is a mess - can't see the browser properly... see https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=CE:MW:Shared:Trial:SR2859#09:17
lbtis that saying succeeded ?09:18
Sage_yes it is09:18
lbtthis could be a 2.3 issue09:20
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lbtSage_: OK - I'll look at that in a few mins09:21
Sage_lbt: if I do copypac for package to project under BOSS, will that break something?09:22
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lbtit won't help09:23
lbtis it that urgent?09:23
Sage_I don't mean this case. I just want to move packages from CE:X to CE:Y09:24
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Sage_and doing it by the normal request way seems a bit too much as they have already passed the review proecesses09:24
lbtOK - gothcha09:24
Sage_So I could just osc copypac CE:Adaptation:N900 ti-omap3-sgx CE:Adaptation:N9xx-common and then rdelete the one from :N900,right?09:25
lbtyeah09:25
Sage_ok09:25
lbtbear in mind that if you do that09:25
lbtyou break any guarantee that the others will build09:26
lbtso in the general case this is something we should validate09:26
lbtbut not today :D09:26
Sage_sure, but "I know what I'm doing" (tm) :)09:26
lbtexactly09:26
lbtjust kinda thinking 3 months down the line09:26
lbtit's probably rare enough that we don't care09:27
Sage_just wanted to ask that BOSS won't run away :)09:27
lbtno... that won't bother it09:27
Sage_ok09:27
lbtcopypac whilst an SR is in progress may be confusing :)09:27
Sage_Stskeeps: ti-omap3-sgx, dsme, pulseaudio-modules-n900 (yes need to rename this), pulseaudio-modules-nokia, xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx <- anything else?09:30
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Stskeeps sounds about right09:32
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alteregoSage_: not sure, I'll check tomorrow, unless it's urgent?09:39
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Stskeepslbt: btw potential hole in CE process.. does it validate all packages when there's multiple .spec files in a package?10:07
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lbtStskeeps: multiple spec files? ......  which kinda answers that question10:15
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Stskeepslbt: perfectly legit obs trick10:16
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Sage_Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common10:21
Sage_ah, gst-nokia-camera is common now as well10:22
Stskeepsok cool10:22
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Sage_we probably should change the username to nemo instead of meego on our images?10:23
Stskeepsyeah, probably10:23
Stskeepsshould weed out issues10:23
Sage_:nod:10:23
Sage_Stskeeps: so the ti-omap3-sgx from N900 adaptation should work on N950 as well now?10:26
Stskeepsif you accepted my SR from yesterday i hope so10:26
Sage_lbt:  did that AFAIK10:26
Stskeepsok10:26
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Sage_lbt: ohm was accepted so maybe a race condition at the first time.10:30
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phaeronSage_: it might be this scenario : ohm built in trial , it waited for target project to build , target project built something that caused ohm to rebuild , target project finished building and published , process found ohm building10:31
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Sage_Stskeeps: something we might need to consider to be added to mer core is prolog stuff for compiling the policy stuff10:38
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Stskeeps:nod:10:41
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Stskeepsbbl ~1h10:43
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Sage_is gst-omapfb for both N900 and N950?11:01
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lbtphaeron: that sounds like a good explanation11:12
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StskeepsSage_: yes11:25
Sage_ok11:25
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Sage_Stskeeps: what is gst-dsp package in N950 ?11:29
Sage_and is that needed?11:29
Sage_  <version epoch="0" ver="11" rel="38.5" /> <- the method for adding version information to patterns11:33
Sage_Stskeeps: if you (or someone else) have time it might be nice to test how that work.11:34
Sage_and if zypper can even use that information properly11:35
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Sage_araujo: you managed to get the SR done after a while :)11:36
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Sage_Stskeeps: created a new image that didn't even boot to UX :P11:43
Sage_Stskeeps: did you try the sgx upgrade on your own device?11:43
Sage_... pah, my bad probably11:45
Sage_lbt: btw, we have lost quite a lot of workers in cobs, is that known?11:46
lbtno11:47
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Sage_Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/278761112:14
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mdfe_Stskeeps: Qt on Project:KDE:Mer_Extras is updated to 4.8.0~rc1, it would be really nice to drop me a line if the same version is available in Mer Core :)12:23
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mdfe_s/if/when/g12:26
Sage_Stskeeps: apparently something in the sgx upgrade didn't go well12:30
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StskeepsSage_: ok, rpm -ql | grep ti-omap3-sgx12:31
Stskeepserr12:31
Stskeepsrpm -qa12:31
Sage_Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/278768712:33
Stskeepslooks correct12:33
Sage_:nod:12:33
Stskeepsn900 right?12:33
Sage_yes12:33
* Stskeeps looks12:34
Stskeepsi made a test image with exactly those yesterday, wonder what blew up12:34
Sage_it still requires setuid ?12:35
Stskeepsi don't immediately see anything wrong12:35
Sage_right?12:35
Stskeepsyes12:35
Stskeepsrpm -qa | grep setuid12:35
Sage_xorg-x11-server-Xorg-setuid-1.10.1-1.7.armv7hl12:36
Sage_I made patch to fbdev that changed the requirement to setuid12:36
Stskeepso12:36
Stskeepsk12:36
Stskeepsit should be yes12:36
Stskeepsls -l /usr/bin/Xorg ?12:36
Sage_-rws--x--x 1 root root 1642628 Oct 19  2011 /usr/bin/Xorg12:36
Stskeepshmmm12:37
Sage_Xorg is running just apps fail to get the GL12:37
Stskeepsi had it up and running with proper desktop at least.. lemme just locate it12:37
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Stskeepsvgrade: what is the latest video you posted?12:39
Jucatoqt media hub I think12:39
Stskeepsno, another one after that, calligra related12:39
Jucatoooh12:40
* Jucato subscribes to his channel12:40
StskeepsSage_: that's funny, my working image doesn't have setuid installed12:42
Stskeepserm.. hmm12:42
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Sage_Stskeeps: so it doesn't need that anymore?12:43
vgradeStskeeps, thats the newsreader application on plasma, rss feeds, builtin webkit browser12:46
StskeepsSage_: i think we do.. i wonder what on earth is going on12:46
StskeepsSage_: can you verify rpm -q --changelog xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx   == 245 ?12:46
Sage_already did and it is12:47
Stskeepsok12:47
Stskeepsupload image somewhere?12:47
Sage_a moment12:47
Sage_need to compress it first a bit :)12:49
Stskeepsk12:49
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Sage_Stskeeps: I really hope it is just a typo in my .ks file or package group or something that it doesn't boot atm. :/13:11
Stskeepsyeah, i'm a bit baffled too13:12
Stskeepswriting image atm13:12
Sage_          Active: active (exited) since Thu, 01 Jan 1970 02:00:22 +0200; 41 years and 3 months ago13:12
Sage_^ :D13:12
Sage_at least the sgx driver has been started during the boot properly13:13
Sage_or the script that13:13
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StskeepsSage_: try with a revert of your patch to what i submitted originally and make new image?13:18
Stskeepsat least it crashes on my device too13:18
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Sage_Stskeeps: removed setuid Xorg and installed normal. Now rebooting13:25
Stskeepsok13:26
Sage_that my patch was only to packaging so this should fix it if that made a difference13:26
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Sage_http://pastie.org/2787932 <- ok, wasn't that13:28
Sage_http://pastie.org/2787940 <- the Xorg log13:29
Stskeepstry chmod +x /usr/bin/Xorg now13:29
Stskeepser13:29
Stskeepss13:29
Stskeepschmod +s13:29
Sage_if that works the Xorg packaging is really screwed13:29
Sage_rebooting13:30
Sage_Stskeeps: now the same problem than with -setuid package13:31
Stskeepso13:32
Stskeepsk13:33
Stskeepswtf :P13:33
Stskeepsuhh..13:34
Stskeepssec13:34
Sage_forgot to apply a patch?13:35
Stskeepsi'm doing osc rdiff CE:Adaptation:N900 kernel-adaptation-n90013:37
Stskeepsand it shows me stuff i already added13:37
Sage_o_013:38
Sage_you did one single SR with multiple packages?13:38
Stskeepsno13:38
Stskeepsmultiple SR's13:38
Sage_ok13:38
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Stskeepsprelink or non-prelink?13:39
Sage_non-prelink13:39
Stskeepsok13:39
Stskeepssame here13:40
Sage_haven't fixed my prelink check yet for qemu 0.15 :P13:40
Sage_that could be removed probably already as all of our machines are using at lest qemu 0.14 now13:40
Stskeepshttp://pastie.org/pastes/2788007/text was my .ks13:41
Stskeepsof course repos are gone now..13:41
Stskeepsplease note the excludepkgs13:42
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Sage_shouldn't be different :/13:47
Stskeepsyeah, i'm a bit baffled too13:47
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Stskeepscould we try the revert just to get that out of the picture?13:48
Stskeepsthe xorg packaging is really fucked13:49
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Sage_hmmp.13:51
Sage_I'm just wondering what to revert :D13:52
Stskeepswell, anything you changed from my packages :P13:52
Sage_I moved stuff to N9xx-common already13:52
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Sage_well it is only that one line that I changed :P13:52
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Sage_could you make an image with a bit different repos, just to try out?13:52
Sage_it could be just my setup13:52
Stskeepsgive me a .ks, i guess?13:53
Sage_http://pastie.org/278806813:53
Sage_I give only those so you try with only those changes :)13:53
Sage_one thing I changed is the meego->nemo user btw.13:54
Sage_maybe something didn't like that.13:54
Stskeepsmaking image13:54
Stskeepsoh13:54
Stskeepsthat might make a difference..13:54
Stskeepsi've seen errors when user != meego13:55
Sage_yes, but where is the another question :)13:55
Stskeepshm?13:55
Sage_Added meego user and rebooted13:56
Sage_lets see if that helps13:56
Stskeepsremember to have uxlaunch point to meego user too13:56
Sage_it doesn't have that anymore AFAIK13:56
Stskeepswhat user does it boot then..?13:57
Sage_# user=<autodetect>13:57
Stskeepserrm13:57
Stskeeps:P13:57
Sage_I have no idea how that is done though :D13:57
Sage_setting manually to meego now13:58
Sage_ah, looks better that way14:00
Sage_MInputContext: unable to create D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/meego-im-uiserver/imserver_dbus: Connection refused14:00
Sage_now getting only that14:00
Stskeepsinteresting14:00
Sage_so meego user is probably the cause. I need to do new image with meego user14:00
Stskeepsok14:01
jonnor_workSage_, typical reason is that the server is not started14:02
Sage_jonnor_work: well, the thing is that we can't keep socket in /tmp14:02
jonnor_workSage_, other typical reasons include wrong permissions (especially due to server and applications running as different users)14:03
jonnor_workSage_, yes, it is totally wrong what we do there :(14:03
jonnor_workSage_, patch for changing it to /var/run/maliit-server very welcomed14:03
Sage_jonnor_work: we can't do /var/run either14:04
jonnor_workor whatever is appropriate per LSB/FSH14:04
Sage_jonnor_work: /home/${USER}/.imserver_dbus14:04
jonnor_workoh, user directory. might want to check the standard proposed by the systemd guys then14:05
Sage_jonnor_work: well, the meego-im-uiserver is executed as user so user's home dir is the best option in my opinion.14:06
Sage_/var/run/${USER}/ might be also option but not sure.14:06
jonnor_workSage_, agreed14:06
Sage_anyway /var/run as such or /tmp are no no.14:06
jonnor_workSage_, what we want to do longer term is to have a service on the session bus, and pass the socket at input context activation time14:07
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Sage_Stskeeps: booted fine with user meego14:21
Sage_so we have some hardcoded usernames somewhere14:21
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Stskeepsyes14:25
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Sage_Stskeeps: what is gst-dsp package? And why it is needed for N950? And where does it come from?14:27
Stskeepsgst-dsp is needed for DSP accelerated codecs14:27
Stskeepsadmittedly we've never really used it except in in-house experiments14:27
Sage_password can be meego btw, but the username needs to be meego14:28
Stskeepsok14:28
Sage_password can be nemo*14:28
Sage_ok, so we probably don't need gst-dsp package14:28
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Sage_disabling for now14:29
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Sage_btw, anyone know if I should buy my class 10 card for N900 branded by kingston or transcend?15:15
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KaziKluBeySage: My kingston class 10 16gb behaves strangely with meego and nemo(mer), might be a faulty unit though.15:38
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Sage_I was going to buy 8G card only :)15:42
Sage_16G have had problems before :)15:42
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KaziKluBeyWhen I put a mer/meego image on my card is it using all of the 16gb? I thinking of if it was possible to only use 8gb on it. Could that make a difference you think?15:58
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igheaSage_: make sure you buy the genuine stuff and not some clone shit :(16:03
igheacheap kingston stuff just does not exist16:03
KaziKluBeymine was rather cheap...:(16:04
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igheafrom ebay?16:05
Sage_ighea: well I go to local store and getting one from there.16:06
Sage_g816:06
ShadowJKisn't kingston the definition of cheap?16:06
StskeepsSage_: the transcend i have is fairly okay16:06
Sage_Stskeeps: btw, I'm planing of doing a clean kernel packaging with yaml and spec file only for panda kernel during this week :)16:07
Stskeepsexcellent16:08
Stskeepsi will not be held responsible for the amount of hair you have to rip out of your head ;)16:08
Sage_make[1]: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found ?16:09
Stskeepsthat's a good start16:09
Stskeepsmake CROSS_COMPILE= zImage16:09
Sage_this is not kernel ;)16:10
Stskeepsthat's, erm, worse16:11
Stskeepswhat complains about that?16:11
Sage_I'm compiling x-loader so might be fixed with that16:12
Stskeepsah16:12
Sage_the .spec file was closely kernel related16:12
Stskeepsyeah16:12
Sage_Just wanted to get rid of the ****** mess16:12
Stskeepsagreed16:12
Sage_\o/16:12
Sage_printf.c:290:7: error: variable 'i' set but not used [-Werror=unused-but-set-variable]16:12
Stskeepsstill try to have something that enables a shared amount of kernel options16:12
Sage_ok, so now only Makefile things16:12
Stskeepseven installed through kernel-headers16:12
Stskeepsso kernel options follow what userland is built for16:13
araujo(late) morning16:15
Stskeepsmorn araujo16:16
araujohi Stskeeps o/16:16
araujonow you talk about SD cards .... do we need a UHS-II card for latest 1.3 images???16:16
Stskeepsaraujo: because mer is retro (started in 2008), you will have to manually boot the system with 5 1/4 floppy disks16:17
araujoheheheheheh16:17
Stskeepsgod, that was the days..16:17
* araujo remembers booting linux from those called "floppy" things.....16:18
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berndhsthe 5.25 were too stiff. The 8" disks now, those were flexible16:20
Stskeepsyeah, me too .. i recall the horror when the debian disks had i/o error on them16:20
araujohahah16:21
Sage_Error: failed to create image : Failed to find package 'xorg-x11-drv-mtev' : No package(s) available to install16:23
Sage_Stskeeps: ^ N950 requires that?16:24
Stskeepsyeah, think so16:24
araujoyup, those were the days16:24
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Sage_Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2788806 <- what shold I remove in addition to msoft-float16:27
Stskeepslooks okay, i think16:29
Stskeepsdidn't the pandaboard guys patch this?16:29
Sage_probably but I took the latest upstream16:29
Stskeepsi mean, in their old packaging16:29
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odin_the mer mailing-list robot has anti-SPAM protection and doesn't appear to like empty email with only "subscribe" in the body  (as per instructions to signup)16:45
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Stskeepssmoku: ^16:46
Stskeepsodin_: what mail did you send to?16:46
odin_mer-general+subscribe@lists.merproject.org16:46
Stskeepsok16:46
odin_->> 550 This message looks a lot like SPAM. Please rephrase your post.16:47
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Stskeepsodin_: could you edit the wiki page?16:48
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odin_do I use meego.com login or all new logins ?16:52
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Stskeepsall new logins16:53
Stskeepswe can't legally use meego.com login16:53
odin_(legally) fine by me, haha16:54
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berndhsoh good, I don't have to use my meego.com name :)16:55
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VelmontWow, hilight galore on Odin. :-)17:05
odin_ok wiki edited17:17
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gpradehello, i read just https://meego.com/about/governance and i dont understand what the problem is to take the control over meego and get the leadership, when meegos governance is based on meritocracy, then you can kick Imad Sousou  and Valtteri Halla  from the leaderchair and take over the leadership of meego, why do you did not do this and create then mer?17:36
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Sage_Stskeeps: btw, they patched u-boot for meego not x-loader17:40
gpradeheelo?17:43
gpradehello17:43
gprade?17:43
smokugprade: Catch 2217:44
smokugprade: https://meego.com/about/trademark17:44
lbtgprade: MeeGo is essentially 'owned' by the current leaders/owners. We've asked them about how we can collaborate and we expect to make an announcement soon.17:45
StskeepsSage_: interesting17:45
Stskeepsgprade: the other question is if the meego brand has any kind of value at the moment and if it's worth the strings and trouble related to it..17:46
gpradebut if you smoku or Stskeeps would have the leadership ....?17:46
Stskeepsgprade: i've personally given up on it as there's too much trouble involved and i'd rather use my strength on productive things like improving mer core :)17:47
smoku+117:48
Sage_Stskeeps: or well, maybe they did but the patches are not working in the upstream I took17:48
smokuand it's easier to fly not being tied to LF politics17:48
crevetorStskeeps: also I like the Mer logo better :)17:48
gpradebut the howl infrastructur of meego? now you must build all this new17:49
Stskeepsgprade: by limiting our scope we also limit how much we really need to set up17:49
crevetorStskeeps: BTW I checked and webos doesn't use Xorg :( So I guess you're right about using LLVMPipe17:49
Stskeepsgprade: some of us have a lot of experience in those friends so17:49
Stskeepser, fields17:49
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Stskeepsgprade: also.. it's one thing what they say on the page, another thing is reality17:51
gpradebut the howl meego developers? now you must say to all of them that mer is e better succesor then tizen, i am afraid that you not get enough developers, meego had so many17:51
Stskeepsgprade: how many did you think it had?17:52
Stskeepsout of curiousity17:52
gpradein the presentations they talk (nokia/intel people) alot about the have a so big community, where are these developers now?17:52
Stskeepsgprade: qt developers aren't really going away :)17:52
gpradethey talking about hundrets i think, must first search the videos17:53
Stskeepsgprade: i have a interesting statistic.. sec17:53
gpradebut i thought they mean core-developers, what about the frameworks you will need for mer?17:53
Stskeepsgprade: qt still is being developed17:54
gprademaybe the syncevolution developer17:54
crevetorI don't think meego itself had more than 20 community devs17:54
gpradei thout he was in the team from intel and worked on syncing for meego17:54
Stskeepsgprade: syncevolution is being developed too17:54
crevetorThe rest of them were paid by Intel and Nokia17:54
Stskeepsgprade: http://pastie.org/2770139 is a statistic on how many times each package in mer core was touched when it was in MeeGo17:54
Stskeepsgprade: keep in mind that most stuff is active projects outside meego17:55
gpradehow many do you know worked on meego at intel and nokia?17:55
Sage_Stskeeps: harmattan doesn't have mtev btw17:55
Sage_Stskeeps: or at least it is not in the repos17:55
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StskeepsSage_: fairly sure it uses it17:55
Sage_ok, well repo not valid then probably17:56
Stskeepsgprade: the more interesting question is how many people worked straight on the upstream project17:56
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Stskeepsand how many did basic packaging17:57
lbtStskeeps: that's very useful17:57
Stskeepslbt: which?17:57
lbtpastie17:57
Stskeepsah, yes17:57
Stskeepsi had to confirm a suspicion17:57
gpradesorry, i dont know what a upstream is, i know only bugs and see alot on meego17:57
Stskeepsgprade: ok, so, you know what packaging is?17:58
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gpradeyes, a little bit17:58
gpradebut not much17:58
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gpradecompile sourcecode and put it in deb/rpm17:58
Stskeepsgprade: ok, so, packaging is basically a recipe to build software.. you take a sourcecode, this is called upstream - ie, the project we're packaging17:58
Stskeepsand then you build it to a deb/rpm17:59
gpradeok17:59
Stskeepsgprade: upstream is basically "where do we get our sources from"17:59
gpradebut when you will be finished with packaging then comes the bugs18:00
Stskeepsright18:00
berndhssome of the upstream<->Meego divisions aren't all that clear18:00
Stskeepsso that's where something called triaging comes in18:00
berndhsif you take say, connman18:00
Stskeepswhen you report a bug and we can explore it's not directly related to something caused by our packaging, we can send it to the project that delivers the source code18:00
Stskeepsand help them fix the problem there18:00
gpradeok, then you dont need to write new software for mer?18:02
Stskeepsgprade: we do need to do some things but in practice, a lot of it is packaging what exists and put it together18:02
Stskeepsi mean, we're not writing a big UI :)18:02
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niqtwhat do you think of http://jussbuzz.com/ubuntu-12-10-is-for-pc-tv-smartphones-and-tablets ?18:04
gpradeok, sorry if i am too fast/angry, but i dont like companys say they help, and then a small community cant do their jobs because they have not enough money or people, they do it in freetime, so when they say it is opne source, i dont like it to say "ok, thats all folks, now it die"18:05
Stskeepsniqt: i'm a little worried they're saying the time is now for tablets/smartphones/etc.. i think we're actually beyond those by now18:05
Stskeepsgprade: no problem, just trying to explain :)18:05
gpradehow many are you at mer at the moment?18:06
Stskeepssmall crowd working on various parts of the system18:06
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Stskeepsit's always difficult to quantify in the start18:06
Stskeepsmany are the same people who worked on meego18:07
Sage_Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/278930818:07
gpradeok, i think the best i could do is to translate from englisch to german, if you need, ask me18:07
StskeepsSage_: urgh..18:07
Stskeepsgprade: :nod: or other things18:08
niqtStskeeps: i don't well understand what you think18:08
Stskeepsniqt: OK, so, it's a little late to the game to talk about smartphones, tablets, STBs, etc18:09
gpradei dont know, i can not good drawing for icons or other grafics, or i cant do good marketing or ..., or, ...18:09
Stskeepsgprade: testing, perhaps18:09
Stskeepsgprade: we all started out as newbies18:10
niqtah, ok, i agree18:10
gpradebut how, i have no phone yet, the n9 is at the moment to expensive for me18:10
gpradehow can i help testing?18:10
Stskeepsgprade: got virtualbox or qemu?18:10
Stskeepsor vmware, etc18:10
gpradevirtualbox i could use, quemo not, i have a pentium d 805  without virtualisationstuff18:11
Stskeepsah18:11
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gpradewhat should i do to test with virtualbox, where i get a image and what are the parts i have to test/check, any checklist out there?18:12
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Stskeepsgprade: so, we're not exactly there just yet :)18:13
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Stskeepsin practice, most people will start out with software based upon mer, like http://t.co/jcRk5XGz , etc18:15
Stskeepsand test that, then go deeper18:15
gpradeok, if you have something i can use inside of virtuelbox, or what should translated to germany, ask me if you want (gerhard.prade@googlemail.com), i will try to install quemo without virtustuff of my cpu18:15
Stskeepsyep18:15
Stskeepsieatlint: any news on Taku sources?18:15
Stskeepsieatlint: got a morbid curiousity18:16
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gpradeok, i see that, very, very, very cool, i want have it in my vw golf iv :-D18:16
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gpradeok, must go now, virtualbox and qemu are installed now, now i must configure it and then i can test if you want18:23
Stskeepsi'm going to go get a warm cup of tea and try to get fresh for tomorrow :P18:23
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Sage_Stskeeps: any ideas about those?19:04
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StskeepsSage_: not off hand sorry19:07
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Sage_Failed to build transaction : wl1271-cal-bin-0.43-1.1.armv7hl requires libsysfs.so.219:08
Sage_bme-rm-680-bin-0.9.95-1.1.armv7hl requires libcreds.so.319:08
Stskeepswtf :P19:08
Sage_grr19:08
Sage_who build those :D19:08
Sage_or bme to be more specific19:08
* Sage_ is still trying to build n950 image :P19:09
Sage_atm. I don't have access to internal builds, but that doesn't sound right with bme.19:10
Stskeepsit sounds like bad dependancies / harmattan leftover19:11
Sage_Stskeeps: any change you could look at that tomorrow for example? I'll be at our corporate network on wednesday next time.19:11
Sage_libcreds, requires libsmack etc. So I really wouldn't want to go that path.19:12
Stskeepsyes, i can do that19:12
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Sage_that libsysfs dependency sounds about rigth though. So I'll check that myself19:13
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Sage_eh, meego sysfsutils 2.1.0 and upstream 2.4.2 :P19:14
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Stskeepsok19:15
* Sage_ is temted to update 19:15
Stskeepsgo ahead19:15
Stskeepsi guess :P19:16
Sage_ah, nm. I looked wrong version19:16
Sage_2.1.0 is the latest19:16
Sage_so just fixing the packaging19:16
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Sage_Stskeeps: btw, might be a good to update our N950 bme as well while at it if that seems easy19:18
Stskeepsyes19:18
Sage_our current version 0.9.95 and in my N9 1.0.1019:18
Sage_N950 binary blobs might be lacking behind in general as well.19:19
Stskeepsyes19:19
Sage_Now when the N9 target is closing would be nice to sync those as well.19:20
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vgradelooks at http://razor-qt.org/19:20
Stskeepsintruiging19:21
vgradeI might give it a go, opensuse has packaging19:21
Stskeepsok19:21
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ieatlintStskeeps: taku was demoed at dev days last week20:24
ieatlinti'm having a meeting about it tomorrow20:24
ieatlintdon't know what the specific plans are... i know it will be demoed again at dev days in sf20:24
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ieatlintand the plan is to have it out before the raspberry pi boards are shipping20:25
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* Sage_ got pandaboard kernel to compile 20:45
Sage_I really wonder why the packaging is so complicated atm. :)20:45
Sage_in my packaging the compile starts with 3 commands :P20:45
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Sage_and yes there might be much more to do, but so far so good20:49
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Sage_Stskeeps: ok, got the x-loader now to the same error on both armv7hl and armv7el :/21:11
Sage_board/omap4430panda/libomap4430panda.a(omap4430panda.o):(.ARM.exidx+0x0): undefined reference to `__aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0'21:11
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