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| pdanek | you guys by any chance know how to get these FCC attachments? | 00:19 |
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| pdanek | https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=139462&&typ=64&fcc_id=%27LJPK | 00:19 |
| pdanek | it goes to some getapplication https link but nothing really happens | 00:20 |
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| pdanek | wonderful, seems my ff nightly needed restart, got it | 00:21 |
| pdanek | you can find there photos of disassembled N9 ;) | 00:21 |
| wmarone_ | engadget tends to peruse those regularly, normally I have no trouble | 00:24 |
| wmarone_ | the fcc seems to have borked their site, and their page killed my FF session! | 00:24 |
| wmarone_ | wtf | 00:24 |
| pdanek | I managed to get it | 00:24 |
| wmarone_ | oh, it sent my browser the PDF directly | 00:24 |
| pdanek | yep | 00:24 |
| wmarone_ | lolmimetypefail | 00:24 |
| pdanek | just save as | 00:24 |
| pdanek | first time my ff became stuck also | 00:25 |
| pdanek | like hell | 00:25 |
| pdanek | but this internal photos pdf is nice | 00:25 |
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| iekku | morning | 05:14 |
| dm8tbr | mnnng | 05:14 |
| Jucato | mining | 05:14 |
| Jucato | er .. | 05:14 |
| Paimen | Jucato: wrong side of caffein? | 05:14 |
| Jucato | very much | 05:15 |
| Jucato | pretty much I mean | 05:15 |
| Jucato | bah ... it hurst to think >.< | 05:15 |
| Jucato | hurts* | 05:15 |
| iekku | mmmmmm, coffee <3 | 05:21 |
| * iekku offers Jucato cup of coffee | 05:22 | |
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| gprade | morning | 08:06 |
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| kyb3R | morn | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | morn kyb3r, gprade | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | kyb3R: http://pastie.org/2770139 , list of mer packages, listing how many commits they received when they were in meego, over the length of the project | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | quite interesting to see which components are hot topic | 08:10 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: so, my own setup is actually quite like yours, i have the fakeobs running, from fakeobs:Core:i586 i linkpac everything into fakeobs:Core:i586, then from fakeobs:Core:armv7l to Core:armv7l, etc | 08:13 |
| slaine | I assume you mean you linkpac everything from fakeobs:Core:i586 into Core:i586 | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:14 |
| slaine | Yeah, it was the last step, linkpac from fakeobs:Core:armv7hl to Core:armv7hl that was failing for me | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | what errors did you get? | 08:14 |
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| kyb3R | Stskeeps: thanks! | 08:15 |
| slaine | well actually, I was linkpac'ing into home:glen | 08:15 |
| kyb3R | now, need to do stuff irl. see you | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so, you were linkpacing into the same space as you had previously done Core:i586 linkpac to? | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | space/project | 08:16 |
| slaine | Yeah, that was the one that gave the _link warning I previously mentioned. Then I'd tried to append armv7hl or armv8el to home:glen with no joy | 08:16 |
| slaine | So as I'd left it I was asking if I had to create sub projects off home:glen | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, so, make one subproject for i586, one for armv7hl, one for armv7l, etc | 08:17 |
| slaine | i.e. should I have home:glen:Core:i586, home:glen:Core:armv7hl | 08:17 |
| slaine | :nod: | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still working a little bit on how best to do modifications to the core | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | ie, from a vendor pov and still updating from mer core updates | 08:18 |
| slaine | Do I still need the initial linkpac from fakeobs:Core:i586 to home:glen, or should I remove that and redo it as home:glen:Core:i586 ? | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | just redo it i guess, the arm merge may potentially have screwed some things | 08:19 |
| slaine | :nod: | 08:19 |
| slaine | Regarding the modifications to Core issue | 08:19 |
| slaine | if you recall, I currently am based off Fedora, we've our own local snapshot of a Fedora 14 mirror | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:20 |
| slaine | I've applied the layer cake approach to modifying Core (in this case upstream Fedora) with our own internal repo that's created during the build process and replaces some of the packages from Fedora's repo | 08:21 |
| slaine | xorg intel driver, kernel, xulrunner to name a few | 08:21 |
| slaine | I've a flatter hierarchy though, it's not as rigidly segmented as hardware adaptation | ux etc | 08:22 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | i think we would probably move to a git based approach so it's very easy to maintain local modifications | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | for those that are in core itself, and then layer on top | 08:23 |
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| slaine | I've a repo for our software stack, i.e. applications and scripts etc. that are the result of our in house dev team and the companies IP, this would be akin to the UX layer I guess, a repo for redistributable packages from our suppliers and a repo of "extras", dependencies that might not be in Fedora upstream. | 08:25 |
| slaine | Not too dissimilar I guess | 08:25 |
| slaine | I diverge on the assembly line aspect then I guess. | 08:26 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | we hope to help with the tools how to best use the core and do continous integration on top | 08:27 |
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| slaine | Perhaps I'll explain how I currently work, just to help with the thought processes | 08:28 |
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| slaine | So, I've a script that checks out our code from our Perforce server, builds an rpm for each project, creates the UX layer repo from those packages, then I with vendor provided source, source rpms and binary rpms and get that all setup in the other repos. | 08:29 |
| slaine | Then I've a second script that does the actual image creation. Instead of mic it uses appliance-creator from the appliance-tools package on Fedora | 08:30 |
| slaine | Very similar to mic | 08:30 |
| slaine | It processes a kickstart file and creates a filesystem image. | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | Perforce was a source control system right? | 08:31 |
| slaine | The file system image is then prepared with some post-processing and the bundled with some metadata, build date etc. and ready to be uploaded to the server (our devices net boot) | 08:31 |
| slaine | Yes, ours is an old old version | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 08:31 |
| slaine | we've been planning to move to git for an age but have always been too busy to do so | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | does the perforce stuff potentially support hooks/ie, running a script when a change comes in? | 08:32 |
| slaine | not that I'm aware of. we use it at a pretty basic level | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:32 |
| slaine | and as I said, we've been planning a migration to git anyway | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | so, your script could import the code from perforce into OBS, which then does the building, it makes the RPMs and repositories and you point to them with the image creator | 08:33 |
| slaine | nod | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | from a core pov we would like to get feedback on for example when a change comes into core if this will break vendor's things, so we hope to provide automation with that too | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | and tools for workflow for vendors | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: let me know how the local build goes - you might run into that QEMU isn't set up for arm, but you may be lucky.. | 08:41 |
| slaine | nod | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: Core:i486 may be of use to you for pentium m | 08:43 |
| slaine | All our devices are 686 with sse2 | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 08:43 |
| slaine | so could do a build optimized for that | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | i486 is non-atom | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:43 |
| slaine | Well, all our non-atom devices that is, yeah | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | right now the i586==i686==atom in mer rpm config.. that is kind of annoying | 08:44 |
| slaine | nod, that's intel's legac | 08:44 |
| slaine | y | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | i planned on fixing it once i knew if we were doing meego 2.0 or mer alone, seems like meego 2.0 is out of the window and project is officially dead.. | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | window=picture | 08:44 |
| slaine | really, you talk to some LF folks ? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | meego 1.2 will go on and get some fixes but no further development and infrastructure will slowly wind down | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | but not in a 'what, the server disappeared without telling anyone' fashion | 08:46 |
| slaine | ok, so they've contract commitments for support for what was released and they'll honor those | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | and yeah, we met with LF folks and Dawn etc here in prague | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | and just had friendly and collaborative talks | 08:46 |
| slaine | great | 08:46 |
| slaine | Dawn's great | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | even had five minutes in Dawn's Tizen community talk to present a bit about Mer | 08:47 |
| slaine | enjoyed talking with her at meegoconf in dublin last year | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:47 |
| slaine | Cool | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | i don't envy her having to be on stage and basically say the information is not there yet for tizen as things aren't fully agreed yet.. | 08:47 |
| slaine | nod | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | they cancelled architecture talk and everything with actual meat about tizen, so | 08:48 |
| slaine | heated discussions must be ongoing | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | at least it gives us a good breathing space for Mer and opportunities | 08:48 |
| slaine | right, away form keyboard for a bit, catch you later | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | i have to check out of my hotel anyway | 08:50 |
| slaine | thanks for the clarifications on whats next | 08:50 |
| slaine | Oh, thought you where home already | 08:51 |
| slaine | well, safe trip home | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 08:51 |
| slaine | I'm off on vacation for next week so won't be around much | 08:51 |
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| * Jucato still finds it rather amusing that there's already a Tizen summit scheduled on December | 08:51 | |
| Stskeeps | alright, i'll be in full hacking mode for the next week | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: unofficial one | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Jucato: i really hope they have something tangible at that point | 08:52 |
| dm8tbr | Jucato: I gathered from mails on IVI list that tha'ts just a rebadged meego summit organized by nomovok | 08:52 |
| Jucato | aaah | 08:52 |
| Jucato | well maybe they have something before the year ends :) | 08:54 |
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| matrixx | we are also having a rebatched meego summit fi, but that's not going to be tizen summit ;) | 09:48 |
| Jucato | hehe | 09:50 |
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| gabrbedd | What's a good non-{Mer|MeeGo|Tizen} place to ask ARM questions? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | #linaro \ | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 13:55 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: thanks! | 13:57 |
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| Jucato | Stskeeps: isn't linaro theoretically almost-tizen? | 13:58 |
| Jucato | wait ... | 13:59 |
| Jucato | that's LiMo | 13:59 |
| Jucato | >.< | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | no | 14:01 |
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| _av500_ | linaro is agnostic | 14:01 |
| _av500_ | they do both android and ubuntu | 14:01 |
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| Jucato | yeah I got confused with names ... | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | and not vaporware | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:03 |
| Jucato | lol funny thought: they can't accuse Mer of being vaporware. it's wetware :P | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | boil it and it's vapor | 14:03 |
| Jucato | freeze it and it's cool? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | the puns go on | 14:04 |
| Jucato | like a river flows | 14:04 |
| Jucato | >.< | 14:04 |
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| Jucato | yay coffee! at 22:10! | 14:11 |
| OdyX | it's not 22:10. :-> | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | stuck in a traffic jam.. so fun | 14:21 |
| Jucato | at least you can irc :) | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'd rather be home and crash on my couch | 14:23 |
| Jucato | you mean your office? :) | 14:23 |
| * Jucato vaguely recalls a meegoconf 2010 talk mentioning that :) | 14:24 | |
| xruxa | the Nemo image on N900 boots to a black screen for me. UI works otherwise - pop-ups for USB plug cable show. Any known solution? | 14:25 |
| araujo | morning | 14:26 |
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| niqt | xruxa where is this nemo image? | 15:09 |
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| mdfe_ | Hi all, it is posible to downgrade the mer qt version to 4.7.3 or 4.7.4? | 15:28 |
| mdfe_ | Qt 4.8.0~beta1 does not work with plasma active at the moment | 15:30 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: ping | 15:32 |
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| OdyX | .oO(One should fix plasma active instead.) | 15:43 |
| mdfe_ | OdyX: It is the mer or just your statement? | 15:46 |
| OdyX | just mine. | 15:47 |
| mdfe_ | thx | 15:47 |
| OdyX | (there are two reasons behind my statement though: 1) distro-wide downgrades isn't usual nor easy; 2) fixing will be necessary anyway. ) | 15:47 |
| mdfe_ | I agree with you | 15:48 |
| mdfe_ | but beta1 is not really stable | 15:48 |
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| mdfe_ | I just like to now the options ;) | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe_: so what breaks it? | 16:08 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: kdepim stuff | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | so, there is a rc now too isn't there? | 16:10 |
| mdfe_ | rc? what does mean? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | release candidate of qt | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | 4.8 | 16:10 |
| mdfe_ | not so far I know | 16:11 |
| mdfe_ | I talked to sebas and notmart and they told me, 4.7.4 suits best for plasma active | 16:11 |
| notmart | yeah, we would like to switch to 4.8 soonish, but for now there are still some known issues with it | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | right, so, if you have a obs you can slice out the parts that depends on qt and rebuild them with 4.7.4 | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | we took 4.8 as it was the latest in meego 1.3 | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | we dont really have a strong binary compatibility story in mer, so you have freedom to do what you need :) | 16:14 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 16:14 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Thanks for your input | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | mer is intentionally designed to let people hack/derive core, so | 16:16 |
| Jucato | just wondering: wouldn't vendors want to have something like specific versions they can expect the core to have, at a certain release/time period? | 16:17 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: np, I just like to now all options :) | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: roadmapping, yeah | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: so, 4.8.0 RC1 exists | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: once we have testing running better, that likely goes into core | 16:19 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Greate thanks | 16:24 |
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| bergie | Stskeeps: ping | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | pong | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: pong | 17:50 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: it seems like we will get the developer room at FOSDEM | 17:50 |
| bergie | they were also asking for presentations in the actual conference | 17:50 |
| bergie | I wondered if I could give your name forward | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | sure, this time around i hope not to be heckled about compliance :P | 17:51 |
| bergie | :-) | 17:51 |
| bergie | do you have an abstract of your talk anywhere? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | the old meego one? | 17:52 |
| bergie | yeah, maybe Mer-ified | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lemme just settle down from my trip to linuxcon, could you prod me about it monday? | 17:53 |
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| bergie | sure, will do | 17:54 |
| bergie | I'll just send them a quick ping you're interested for now | 17:54 |
| bergie | which email should I use for you? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | carsten.munk@gmail.com atm | 17:55 |
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| bergie | ok | 17:55 |
| bergie | I'll cc you | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | we dont have merproject.org mail | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | atm | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
| berndhs | we should have merproject mail and merproject forums and merproject lawyers and .... | 17:57 |
| berndhs | oh wait | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | lawyers -might- be good | 17:57 |
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| berndhs | eventually necessary, unfortunately | 17:58 |
| bergie | berndhs: lawyering should be outsourceable to orgs like FSFE or gpl-violations | 17:59 |
| berndhs | there's probably money in going after gpl violations | 18:01 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: you've got mail | 18:02 |
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| pdanek | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqxYiXtzKd0 | 23:14 |
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| timmo_ | ola what you up to? | 23:22 |
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| gprade | a great phone but without mer | 23:25 |
| gprade | :-) | 23:26 |
| pdanek | it can be | 23:26 |
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| gprade | i hope | 23:26 |
| pdanek | I see N9 as main target device for Mer :) | 23:26 |
| pdanek | since it gets into sales and between people | 23:26 |
| timmo | i have n900 | 23:26 |
| gprade | do you think it is hard to get mer on the n9? | 23:27 |
| pdanek | me2 | 23:27 |
| timmo | so no plans to change | 23:27 |
| gprade | with nemo maybe? | 23:27 |
| pdanek | well I have N900 for long time already and is getting old | 23:27 |
| pdanek | for sure not easy and not perfectly usable yet | 23:27 |
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| timmo | would love to help test it | 23:29 |
| timmo | nemo i mean | 23:29 |
| timmo | just thinking where to start | 23:29 |
| timmo | how to start | 23:29 |
| gprade | i am only an admin, not a developer, mostly i get a cd/dvd, install it and config it and run it, i hope i can do oneday the same with my smartphone and tablet | 23:29 |
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| timmo | to flash n9 possible but question how :D | 23:31 |
| timmo | i like abit hacking stuff | 23:31 |
| gprade | not with this flashertool from nokia?? | 23:31 |
| timmo | mm try it :) | 23:32 |
| pdanek | I'm sure there'll be tutorials for it in time | 23:32 |
| gprade | :-) i have no n9 | 23:32 |
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| pdanek | not much people have n9 yet | 23:32 |
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| timmo | crap i new to xmirc for n900 | 23:33 |
| timmo | swicht accidently | 23:33 |
| timmo | ask google how to flash n9 | 23:34 |
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| timmo | so how i can help you today? | 23:37 |
| timmo | :D | 23:37 |
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| timmo | in need to find something interesting to do | 23:38 |
| timmo | how do you think its possible to develop something similar like androids usb to andruino to control devices | 23:41 |
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| pdanek | http://tizensummitasia2011.com/ | 23:42 |
| timmo | i never been in china :) | 23:44 |
| timmo | sounds quality time | 23:46 |
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| timmo | interesting | 23:52 |
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